Am Fri, 15 Nov 2013 02:17:48 +0100
schrieb joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org:
[quote]
Lastly, the baseband processor is usually the master processor,
whereas the application processor (which runs the mobile operating
system) is the slave. [/quote]
Nothing more to say. This article isn't
At Sat, 16 Nov 2013 00:03:33 +0100,
kardan wrote:
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Am Fri, 15 Nov 2013 02:17:48 +0100
schrieb joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org:
[quote]
Lastly, the baseband processor is usually the master processor,
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Neal H. Walfield n...@walfield.org wrote:
As long as the modem and CPU only communicate via the serial port,
i.e., there is no shared memory, then the application CPU is
(relatively) safe from attacks started from the baseband CPU. As I
understand it, this is
Hey,
Excuse me for reading the thread only cursory,
On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 01:39:22 +0400 Norayr Chilingarian
nor...@arnet.am wrote:
I would write instructions in wiki.
So far I did not understand your setup from the links you gave.
Your findings seem to be quite fresh. It is probably great work
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:50 AM, kardan kar...@riseup.net wrote:
The following is more generally related to the GSM subject:
http://www.osnews.com/story/27416/The_second_operating_system_hiding_in_every_mobile_phone
I really don't understand this article. It's like it's some kind of
surprise
On Fri 15 November 2013 01:59:10 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:50 AM, kardan kar...@riseup.net wrote:
The following is more generally related to the GSM subject:
http://www.osnews.com/story/27416/The_second_operating_system_hiding_in_e
very_mobile_phone
I really
Norayr Chilingarian nor...@arnet.am wrote:
Hehe, flashed your image!
http://norayr.arnet.am/tmp/2013-11-09/Screenshot-2_patched.png
Nice!
Thanks a lot.
You're welcome. :)
I don't use gsm usually, I'll check how gprs works over gsm.
It did not work before, usually SHR did not want to
So, I were getting messages in SHR, that the SIM SMS card storage is
full, and I need to remove some messages.
However by running SMS program in SHR I could not get list of messages
previously. Neither I can get this list now.
What is interesting, is that after second reboot it had received a
I have documented what I have done, and I have a manual draft on my
computer.
If I can get a wiki account, I will add the information there.
11/10/13 01:33 -ում, Norayr Chilingarian-ը գրել է:
So, I were getting messages in SHR, that the SIM SMS card storage is
full, and I need to remove some
On Sun 10 November 2013 10:33:47 Norayr Chilingarian wrote:
What's also interesting, I have an impression, that power managment
works much better. With turned on gsm, it lasts more than 3-4 hours, as
before. I'll measure how long will it stay today. But I already see it's
becoming usable. Yes,
On Sun 10 November 2013 11:15:22 Norayr Chilingarian wrote:
I have documented what I have done, and I have a manual draft on my
computer.
If I can get a wiki account, I will add the information there.
A good example why we should keep wiki in moderated mode. All you could
contribute based on
What I would write in wiki is step by step instructions how to build the
firmware, free loader, and flash it.
I don't think it can confuse someone in some way.
What about moderation, then, well, what you are saying is against
collaborative work, like it is in Wikipedia.
Everyone, by even not
I know, that people tend to make connection between events.
I know, that often it is useful, and often it is wrong to make those
connections.
I don't know why do I see an improvement, and I accept the possibility,
that it's because of other firmware.
How can we know if it is? More testing, more
On Sun 10 November 2013 18:03:36 Norayr Chilingarian wrote:
I know, that people tend to make connection between events.
I know, that often it is useful, and often it is wrong to make those
connections.
I don't know why do I see an improvement, and I accept the possibility,
that it's because
Quoth Norayr Chilingarian:
What I would write in wiki is step by step instructions how to build the
firmware, free loader, and flash it.
I don't think it can confuse someone in some way.
What about moderation, then, well, what you are saying is against
collaborative work, like it is in
On Sun 10 November 2013 18:27:45 Nick wrote:
Quoth Norayr Chilingarian:
What I would write in wiki is step by step instructions how to build the
firmware, free loader, and flash it.
I don't think it can confuse someone in some way.
What about moderation, then, well, what you are saying
Wow, I went to bed after my last post, and when I got up this morning,
there had been a lively discussion between Norayr, Joerg and Nick!
As much as I would love to be proven wrong on this, I consider it
*very* unlikely that there is any functional defect in moko11 which
somehow gets magically
Okay, I see what you say.
As Nick mentioned I would write instructions in wiki. As I have written
previously in this mailing list, it would be good if someone could
document how to build and flash it step by step.
Wiki is good for collaborative editing, and if I have made unnecessary
steps,
Also, I never did write anything about moko11 bugs.
I don't know about them.
I did write that my perception is, this firmware seem to have better
power management.
I believe in medicine, and I don't believe in ghosts.
If you say, it's unrelated, I don't argue.
What can I say now, it worked ~10
On Sun 10 November 2013 22:53:55 Norayr Chilingarian wrote:
About wiki, first of all, we have new, legally free (in those repressive
countries (: ) tool - the flasher. Secondly we have the alternative
firmware _with_source code.
I belive it worth to write there about free flasher, how to build
Okay, so first thing I did is I have compiled loadtools, as planned
right on freerunner.
opkg install gcc
opkg install gcc-symlinks
opkg install libc6-dev
opkg install binutils
opkg install make
and synced time before build.
/etc/init.d/fsotdld restart
then I have edited makefile, as suggested
Norayr Chilingarian nor...@arnet.am wrote:
Okay, so first thing I did is I have compiled loadtools, as planned
right on freerunner.
[...]
After short build I have three binaries installed
fc-iram fc-loadtool fc-xram
I believe they will run.
Congrats, you have successfully navigated one
Hehe, flashed your image!
http://norayr.arnet.am/tmp/2013-11-09/Screenshot-2_patched.png
Thanks a lot.
Let's see how it works. I don't use gsm usually, I'll check how gprs
works over gsm.
It did not work before, usually SHR did not want to connect.
But I also had problems with iliwi, so I
I can already tell that I could not use sms's previously, they did not
work. I just received many sms's after reboot, and I was able to remove
them.
It did not work before.
11/09/13 11:42 -ում, Norayr Chilingarian-ը գրել է:
Hehe, flashed your image!
No, it's not fixed. I'll try one day. (:
10/30/13 12:50 -???, Radek Polak-? ?:
Do you have fixed hardware and enabled deep sleep? I can get standby
of 4 days with my Freerunner.
BR
Radek
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I believe that I can do all those steps without difficulty. Also, I am
motivated to try this firmware because with current moko11 fw, battery is
getting drained too fast, it doesn't work for whole day. May be the battery is
in bad condition, but anyway, I can do it. I just need a free day, I
okay (:
10/29/13 02:03 -ում, Michael Spacefalcon-ը գրել է:
P.S. If anyone manages to get as far as the loadtool prompt, please
give me a shout before you type any flash erase or flash program
commands - I would not want you to ruin your device by wiping out its
very hard-to-recover RF
On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 08:33:28 AM Norayr Chilingarian wrote:
I believe that I can do all those steps without difficulty. Also, I am
motivated to try this firmware because with current moko11 fw, battery is
getting drained too fast, it doesn't work for whole day.
Do you have fixed
This is something I've quietly had an interest in for a year plus.
I'd like to suggest that it would be beneficial not only to have some hand
holding for people that want to compile, but also sample binary for those of us
that may not have easy access to necessary hardware and software.
I
dmatthews.org m...@dmatthews.org wrote:
This is something I've quietly had an interest in for a year plus.
Yup, I remember you from 2011. :-)
I'd like to suggest that it would be beneficial not only to have some hand
holding for people that want to compile, but also sample binary for those
Why not add information about free fw and loader to the mentioned wiki page?
So that people who are not in this mailing list, may know about this fw
and a free fc-load tool.
Also, it would be good to have step by step instructions like get this
source here, compile it like that, get another
Norayr Chilingarian nor...@arnet.am wrote:
Why not add information about free fw and loader to the mentioned wiki page?
So that people who are not in this mailing list, may know about this fw
and a free fc-load tool.
Adding the info to the wiki would be a good idea indeed, but there
would be
On 10/28/2013 10:03 PM, Michael Spacefalcon wrote:
* Most of the Openmoko community sees my FreeCalypso work as being
illegal, because they have voluntarily chosen to live and/or accept
citizenship in repressive countries which deem it to be so. I suspect
that the power-keepers of the Om Wiki
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Ian Stirling wrote:
There are separate issues around the IP that you do not have permission to
use.
This is the illegality that he is referring to, not any potential
spectrum/GSM/IMEI issues. I guess he would ignore the latter as well
as the former though.
On
Ian Stirling openm...@mauve.plus.com wrote:
However, once anyone has used your work to change the IMSI of their
phone
I assume you meant IMEI. Phones don't have IMSIs, those are numbers
stored in SIM cards.
and you are aware of this,
Yes, I will most likely be aware of it, as I will
[cut]
You can thus use either fc-loadtool or the original fluid.exe to flash
[cut]
Can't we just use dfu-util? It was used to write OS to NAND... and AFAIR
it was also used to flash GSM firmware?...
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El Tuesday 22 October 2013 09:51:07 Patryk Benderz va escriure:
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You can thus use either fc-loadtool or the original fluid.exe to flash
[cut]
Can't we just use dfu-util? It was used to write OS to NAND... and AFAIR
it was also used to flash GSM firmware?...
The procces to flash GSM
Jose Luis Perez Diez jl...@escomposlinux.org wrote:
The procces to flash GSM firmware used linux, the serial port,
and the fluid binary see
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#Manual_Update_.28GTA01.2C_GTA02.29_.2F_geek_way
Yes, and that exact same procedure should work just as well
For those following the FreeCalypso project, I have just put out a
packaged release of my GSM flash reading/writing etc tools:
ftp://ftp.ifctf.org/pub/GSM/FreeCalypso/loadtools-r1.tar.bz2
Of course the source for these tools has been available all along in
my freecalypso-sw Hg repository on
then flash into your GTA0x GSM modem
Wait, it works both on gta-02 and gta-04?
Also, did you test if data connection works? I don't use phone calls,
only encrypted ssl over tcp over 3g/wifi.
I am very interested if this can be flashed to gta-02 device,
(unfortunately I don't own gta-04). Also,
Norayr Chilingarian nor...@arnet.am writes:
Sorry if my questions are a little bit off topic. Anyway I am very
interested in free fw for my devices - OM gta-02 and n900.
^^^
Afaik the firmware in question won't meet the FSF free software
definition or OSI open source
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:49:30 +0300
Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
Norayr Chilingarian nor...@arnet.am writes:
Sorry if my questions are a little bit off topic. Anyway I am very
interested in free fw for my devices - OM gta-02 and n900.
^^^
Afaik the
On 10/16/2013 10:13 AM, Balint Szente wrote:
What is not clear for me is that can a software be FSF/OSI free but
illegal to use?
In principle, one can take osmocombb through your local approvals
process, and get it approved for use in your country.
It may also be legal to use in certain
Quoth Balint Szente:
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:49:30 +0300
Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
Norayr Chilingarian nor...@arnet.am writes:
Sorry if my questions are a little bit off topic. Anyway I am very
interested in free fw for my devices - OM gta-02 and n900.
Balint Szente bal...@szentedwg.ro writes:
Isn't the situation the same with osmocombb as well?
Based on what is written here:
http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/LegalAspects#Usingmodifiedphonesoncarriernetworks
can osmocombb considered free software in FSF's or OSI's definition?
What is not
Am 16.10.2013 um 19:31 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors:
Balint Szente bal...@szentedwg.ro writes:
Isn't the situation the same with osmocombb as well?
Based on what is written here:
http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/LegalAspects#Usingmodifiedphonesoncarriernetworks
can osmocombb considered
On Wed, 2013-10-16 at 20:03 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 16.10.2013 um 19:31 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors:
Balint Szente bal...@szentedwg.ro writes:
What is not clear for me is that can a software be FSF/OSI free but
illegal to use?
Free is a term only considering
Norayr Chilingarian nor...@arnet.am wrote:
then flash into your GTA0x GSM modem
Wait, it works both on gta-02 and gta-04?
By GTA0x I meant GTA01 and GTA02. GolDeliCo' so-called GTA04 is
rather badly misnamed: GTA originally stood for GSM-TI-AGPS; thus a
device that does not use a GSM chipset
Afaik you can use it legally if you connect it directly to your own base
station.
If you connect it by shielded cable or if you place both in a big shielded
box.
I.e. if the spurious emissions stay below some defined level and don't
disturb
If you can demonstrate you know what you
On Wed, 2013-10-16 at 14:30 -0500, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
Afaik you can use it legally if you connect it directly to your own base
station.
The other approach would be to start a kickstarter/selfstarter to buy some
spectrum licenses
That's not really necessary; GSM development
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