Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Neal H. Walfield wrote: > As long as the modem and CPU only communicate via the serial port, > i.e., there is no shared memory, then the application CPU is > (relatively) safe from attacks started from the baseband CPU. As I > understand it, this is the case for

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

At Sat, 16 Nov 2013 00:03:33 +0100, kardan wrote: > > [1 ] > [1.1 ] > Am Fri, 15 Nov 2013 02:17:48 +0100 > schrieb joerg Reisenweber : > > > [quote] > > Lastly, the baseband processor is usually the master processor, > > whereas the application processor (which runs the mobile operating > > sys

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Am Fri, 15 Nov 2013 02:17:48 +0100 schrieb joerg Reisenweber : > [quote] > Lastly, the baseband processor is usually the master processor, > whereas the application processor (which runs the mobile operating > system) is the slave. [/quote] > > Nothing more to say. This article isn't worth the CP

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On Fri 15 November 2013 01:59:10 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:50 AM, kardan wrote: > > The following is more generally related to the GSM subject: > > http://www.osnews.com/story/27416/The_second_operating_system_hiding_in_e > > very_mobile_phone > > I really don't un

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:50 AM, kardan wrote: > The following is more generally related to the GSM subject: > http://www.osnews.com/story/27416/The_second_operating_system_hiding_in_every_mobile_phone I really don't understand this article. It's like it's some kind of surprise that GSM modems ru

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Hey, Excuse me for reading the thread only cursory, On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 01:39:22 +0400 Norayr Chilingarian wrote: > I would write instructions in wiki. So far I did not understand your setup from the links you gave. Your findings seem to be quite fresh. It is probably great work you are doing.

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On Sun 10 November 2013 22:53:55 Norayr Chilingarian wrote: > About wiki, first of all, we have new, legally free (in those repressive > countries (: ) tool - the flasher. Secondly we have the alternative > firmware _with_source code. > I belive it worth to write there about free flasher, how to bu

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Also, I never did write anything about moko11 bugs. I don't know about them. I did write that my perception is, this firmware seem to have better power management. I believe in medicine, and I don't believe in ghosts. If you say, it's unrelated, I don't argue. What can I say now, it worked ~10 hou

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Okay, I see what you say. As Nick mentioned I would write instructions in wiki. As I have written previously in this mailing list, it would be good if someone could document how to build and flash it step by step. Wiki is good for collaborative editing, and if I have made unnecessary steps, someone

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Wow, I went to bed after my last post, and when I got up this morning, there had been a lively discussion between Norayr, Joerg and Nick! As much as I would love to be proven wrong on this, I consider it *very* unlikely that there is any functional defect in moko11 which somehow gets magically fix

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On Sun 10 November 2013 18:27:45 Nick wrote: > Quoth Norayr Chilingarian: > > What I would write in wiki is step by step instructions how to build the > > firmware, free loader, and flash it. > > I don't think it can confuse someone in some way. > > > > What about moderation, then, well, what you

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Quoth Norayr Chilingarian: > What I would write in wiki is step by step instructions how to build the > firmware, free loader, and flash it. > I don't think it can confuse someone in some way. > > What about moderation, then, well, what you are saying is against > collaborative work, like it is in

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On Sun 10 November 2013 18:03:36 Norayr Chilingarian wrote: > I know, that people tend to make connection between events. > I know, that often it is useful, and often it is wrong to make those > connections. > I don't know why do I see an improvement, and I accept the possibility, > that it's becau

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

I know, that people tend to make connection between events. I know, that often it is useful, and often it is wrong to make those connections. I don't know why do I see an improvement, and I accept the possibility, that it's because of other firmware. How can we know if it is? More testing, more use

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

What I would write in wiki is step by step instructions how to build the firmware, free loader, and flash it. I don't think it can confuse someone in some way. What about moderation, then, well, what you are saying is against collaborative work, like it is in Wikipedia. Everyone, by even not havin

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On Sun 10 November 2013 11:15:22 Norayr Chilingarian wrote: > I have documented what I have done, and I have a manual draft on my > computer. > If I can get a wiki account, I will add the information there. A good example why we should keep wiki in moderated mode. All you could contribute based o

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On Sun 10 November 2013 10:33:47 Norayr Chilingarian wrote: > What's also interesting, I have an impression, that power managment > works much better. With turned on gsm, it lasts more than 3-4 hours, as > before. I'll measure how long will it stay today. But I already see it's > becoming usable. Y

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

I have documented what I have done, and I have a manual draft on my computer. If I can get a wiki account, I will add the information there. 11/10/13 01:33 -ում, Norayr Chilingarian-ը գրել է: > So, I were getting messages in SHR, that the SIM SMS card storage is > full, and I need to remove some

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

So, I were getting messages in SHR, that the SIM SMS card storage is full, and I need to remove some messages. However by running SMS program in SHR I could not get list of messages previously. Neither I can get this list now. What is interesting, is that after second reboot it had "received" a bun

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Norayr Chilingarian wrote: > Hehe, flashed your image! > http://norayr.arnet.am/tmp/2013-11-09/Screenshot-2_patched.png Nice! > Thanks a lot. You're welcome. :) > I don't use gsm usually, I'll check how gprs works over gsm. > It did not work before, usually SHR did not want to connect. > [...

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

es, and it >>> worked fine before. >> I use Slackware (a GNU/Linux distro for Luddites like me), all 32-bit >> only, nothing x86_64 at all: >> >> hec@darkstar:~$ uname -a >> Linux darkstar 2.6.37.6-smp #1 SMP Sun Jan 27 05:32:33 GMT 2013 i686 >> Intel(R

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

GenuineIntel GNU/Linux > hec@darkstar:~$ cat /etc/slackware-version > Slackware 13.37.0 > hec@darkstar:~$ wine --version > wine-1.5.23 > >> I am sure, it would be much easier to debug and understand the problem >> in case of using native Unix build environment. > Yea

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

ine --version wine-1.5.23 > I am sure, it would be much easier to debug and understand the problem > in case of using native Unix build environment. Yeah, no kidding! Firmware that can only be built with a proprietary compiler which exists only as Weendoze binaries for which none of us has

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Okay, so first thing I did is I have compiled loadtools, as planned right on freerunner. opkg install gcc opkg install gcc-symlinks opkg install libc6-dev opkg install binutils opkg install make and synced time before build. /etc/init.d/fsotdld restart then I have edited makefile, as suggested

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

No, it's not fixed. I'll try one day. (: 10/30/13 12:50 -???, Radek Polak-? ?: > > > Do you have fixed hardware and enabled deep sleep? I can get standby > of 4 days with my Freerunner. > > > > BR > > > > Radek > ___ Openmoko community mailin

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 08:33:28 AM Norayr Chilingarian wrote: > I believe that I can do all those steps without difficulty. Also, I am > motivated to try this firmware because with current moko11 fw, battery is > getting drained too fast, it doesn't work for whole day. Do you have fixed h

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

okay (: 10/29/13 02:03 -ում, Michael Spacefalcon-ը գրել է: > P.S. If anyone manages to get as far as the loadtool> prompt, please > give me a shout before you type any flash erase or flash program > commands - I would not want you to ruin your device by wiping out its > very hard-to-recover RF cal

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

I believe that I can do all those steps without difficulty. Also, I am motivated to try this firmware because with current moko11 fw, battery is getting drained too fast, it doesn't work for whole day. May be the battery is in bad condition, but anyway, I can do it. I just need a free day, I hop

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

"dmatthews.org" wrote: > This is something I've quietly had an interest in for a year plus. Yup, I remember you from 2011. :-) > I'd like to suggest that it would be beneficial not only to have some hand > holding for people that want to compile, but also sample binary for those of > us that ma

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

This is something I've quietly had an interest in for a year plus. I'd like to suggest that it would be beneficial not only to have some hand holding for people that want to compile, but also sample binary for those of us that may not have easy access to necessary hardware and software. I might

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Ian Stirling wrote: > However, once anyone has used your work to change the IMSI of their > phone I assume you meant IMEI. Phones don't have IMSIs, those are numbers stored in SIM cards. > and you are aware of this, Yes, I will most likely be aware of it, as I will gladly hand-hold any crimi

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Ian Stirling wrote: > There are separate issues around the IP that you do not have permission to > use. This is the illegality that he is referring to, not any potential spectrum/GSM/IMEI issues. I guess he would ignore the latter as well as the former though. On

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On 10/28/2013 10:03 PM, Michael Spacefalcon wrote: * Most of the Openmoko community sees my FreeCalypso work as being illegal, because they have voluntarily chosen to live and/or accept citizenship in repressive countries which deem it to be so. I suspect that the power-keepers of the Om Wiki

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Norayr Chilingarian wrote: > Why not add information about free fw and loader to the mentioned wiki page? > So that people who are not in this mailing list, may know about this fw > and a free fc-load tool. Adding the info to the wiki would be a good idea indeed, but there would be several diffi

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Why not add information about free fw and loader to the mentioned wiki page? So that people who are not in this mailing list, may know about this fw and a free fc-load tool. Also, it would be good to have step by step instructions like get this source here, compile it like that, get another source

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Jose Luis Perez Diez wrote: > The procces to flash GSM firmware used linux, the serial port, > and the fluid binary see > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#Manual_Update_.28GTA01.2C_GTA02.29_.2F_geek_way Yes, and that exact same procedure should work just as well if you substitute yo

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

El Tuesday 22 October 2013 09:51:07 Patryk Benderz va escriure: > cut] > > You can thus use either fc-loadtool or the original fluid.exe to flash > [cut] > Can't we just use dfu-util? It was used to write OS to NAND... and AFAIR > it was also used to flash GSM firmware?... > The procces to flash G

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

[cut] > You can thus use either fc-loadtool or the original fluid.exe to flash [cut] Can't we just use dfu-util? It was used to write OS to NAND... and AFAIR it was also used to flash GSM firmware?... -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against ht

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

For those following the FreeCalypso project, I have just put out a packaged release of my GSM flash reading/writing etc tools: ftp://ftp.ifctf.org/pub/GSM/FreeCalypso/loadtools-r1.tar.bz2 Of course the source for these tools has been available all along in my freecalypso-sw Hg repository on bitbu

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On Wed, 2013-10-16 at 14:30 -0500, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: > > > Afaik you can use it legally if you connect it directly to your own base > > > station. > The other approach would be to start a kickstarter/selfstarter to buy some > spectrum licenses That's not really necessary; GSM development

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

> > Afaik you can use it legally if you connect it directly to your own base > > station. > > If you connect it by shielded cable or if you place both in a big shielded > box. > I.e. if the spurious emissions stay below some defined level and don't > disturb If you can demonstrate you know wha

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Norayr Chilingarian wrote: > > then flash into your GTA0x GSM modem > Wait, it works both on gta-02 and gta-04? By GTA0x I meant GTA01 and GTA02. GolDeliCo' so-called "GTA04" is rather badly misnamed: GTA originally stood for "GSM-TI-AGPS"; thus a device that does not use a GSM chipset from TI

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On Wed, 2013-10-16 at 20:03 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Am 16.10.2013 um 19:31 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: > > Balint Szente writes: > >> What is not clear for me is that can a software be FSF/OSI "free" but > >> illegal to use? > > "Free" is a term only considering copyright. I.e

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Am 16.10.2013 um 19:31 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: > Balint Szente writes: >> Isn't the situation the same with osmocombb as well? >> >> Based on what is written here: >> >> can osmocombb considered free softw

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Balint Szente writes: > Isn't the situation the same with osmocombb as well? > > Based on what is written here: > > can osmocombb considered free software in FSF's or OSI's definition? > What is not clear for me is

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Quoth Balint Szente: > On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:49:30 +0300 > Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > > > Norayr Chilingarian writes: > > > Sorry if my questions are a little bit off topic. Anyway I am very > > > interested in free fw for my devices - OM gta-02 and n900. > > ^^^ > > > >

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On 10/16/2013 10:13 AM, Balint Szente wrote: What is not clear for me is that can a software be FSF/OSI "free" but illegal to use? In principle, one can take osmocombb through your local approvals process, and get it approved for use in your country. It may also be legal to use in certain ci

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:49:30 +0300 Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Norayr Chilingarian writes: > > Sorry if my questions are a little bit off topic. Anyway I am very > > interested in free fw for my devices - OM gta-02 and n900. > ^^^ > > Afaik the firmware in question won't m

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Norayr Chilingarian writes: > Sorry if my questions are a little bit off topic. Anyway I am very > interested in free fw for my devices - OM gta-02 and n900. ^^^ Afaik the firmware in question won't meet the FSF free software definition or OSI open source definition since you

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

>then flash into your GTA0x GSM modem Wait, it works both on gta-02 and gta-04? Also, did you test if data connection works? I don't use phone calls, only encrypted ssl over tcp over 3g/wifi. I am very interested if this can be flashed to gta-02 device, (unfortunately I don't own gta-04). Also,

First small steps toward free GSM firmware

Hello Om community, I am very pleased to announce that after many years of searching, I have finally found a copy of TI's firmware deliverable package for their Leonardo development board, i.e., for their Calypso/Iota/Rita chipset reference platform. It is the package which TI must have given to