Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

2018-02-23 Thread Neil Jerram

On 23/02/18 11:58, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

Am 23.02.2018 um 12:52 schrieb joerg Reisenweber <jo...@openmoko.org>:

On Fri 23 February 2018 12:43:08 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the
"URL" section as

g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git

which is a verbatim quote and AIUI no correctly formed URL

AFAIK git automatically adds a git: prefix if you say

git clone g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git


The git@ URL will only work for people who have write access to that 
repo.  The https:// URL should work for everyone (for reading/cloning).


    Neil



BR,
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Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

2018-02-23 Thread Norayr Chilingarian

wow,
going to start it. (:


On Fri, 23 Feb 2018, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:


Hi,


Am 23.02.2018 um 12:28 schrieb Norayr Chilingarian <nor...@arnet.am>:

I would prefer it to be on github.

Though usually I am the one who supports decentralization, but here are some 
arguments:

* github is a public place, where it is much more probable that your project 
can be discovered by the people who potentially can get involved, even if they 
did not know about the project before.

(many different ways - accidentally, or by following your friends' "likes", or 
by search, or by other means)

* github stimulates people to fork/make pull requests, this work is public, and 
it increases people's social status, when they contribute to the project on the 
public place, where it is noticeable by their community.

On the contrary, by keeping the separate, even public git tree, the chances to 
be discovored and contributed to are much lower.


Your wish is already fulfilled...

It is also (mirrored) on github:

https://github.com/goldelico/gta04-qtmoko

And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the "URL" 
section as

g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git

Hope this helps.

BR,
Nikolaus





On Fri, 23 Feb 2018, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:


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Betreff: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
Datum: 21. Februar 2018 um 20:53:12 MEZ
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<gta04-ow...@goldelico.com>
Hi,I am happy to announce that after years of
abandonment and obsolescence, QtMoko is back in
maintained mode.
After several failed attempts, we now have a git
tree and a build system where we can apply
modifications and accept patches. And we
need testers :)
Currently, we have a Wheezy and a Jessie based
(different git branches) and both run on the
GTA04(A3, A4, A5) with latest Letux kernels.
Basically QtMoko also starts and runs on the Pyra,
but there is nothing to see on the display yet.
It simply remains black...
Here are the key resources:
Project Home: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/ - also for
reporting issues
Git: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=heads
Downloads: http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/?C=M;O=D
- look for *-qtmoko.tbz
Install on µSD: DEV=/dev/sdb ./makesd qtmoko - to install a Jessie
based system
Letux-Debian: apt-get install letux-qtmoko - to install if you have
installed a different Letux system
Here are screen photos of QtMoko/Jessie/Kernel-4.15.2
running on a GTA04:


 Some things are not yet working and missing and
some Apps crash after starting, but we are just at
the beginning to be able to fix things.
Of course our little team can't do all that alone.
We need you and the broader community to help with
coding, testing or simply donations if you appreciate
our effort:
http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Product=9607
BR and thanks,
Nikolaus
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Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

2018-02-23 Thread H. Nikolaus Schaller

> Am 23.02.2018 um 12:52 schrieb joerg Reisenweber <jo...@openmoko.org>:
> 
> On Fri 23 February 2018 12:43:08 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>> And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the
>> "URL" section as
>> 
>>g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git
> 
> which is a verbatim quote and AIUI no correctly formed URL

AFAIK git automatically adds a git: prefix if you say

git clone g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git

BR,
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Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

2018-02-23 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 23 February 2018 12:52:22 joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> On Fri 23 February 2018 12:43:08 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> > And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the
> > "URL" section as
> > 
> >     g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git
> 
> which is a verbatim quote and AIUI no correctly formed URL
> 
> /j

OOPS sorry, I even meant to suggest
https://github.com/goldelico/gta04-qtmoko
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Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

2018-02-23 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 23 February 2018 12:43:08 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the
> "URL" section as
> 
> g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git

which is a verbatim quote and AIUI no correctly formed URL

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Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

2018-02-23 Thread H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi,

> Am 23.02.2018 um 12:28 schrieb Norayr Chilingarian <nor...@arnet.am>:
> 
> I would prefer it to be on github.
> 
> Though usually I am the one who supports decentralization, but here are some 
> arguments:
> 
> * github is a public place, where it is much more probable that your project 
> can be discovered by the people who potentially can get involved, even if 
> they did not know about the project before.
> 
> (many different ways - accidentally, or by following your friends' "likes", 
> or by search, or by other means)
> 
> * github stimulates people to fork/make pull requests, this work is public, 
> and it increases people's social status, when they contribute to the project 
> on the public place, where it is noticeable by their community.
> 
> On the contrary, by keeping the separate, even public git tree, the chances 
> to be discovored and contributed to are much lower.

Your wish is already fulfilled...

It is also (mirrored) on github:

https://github.com/goldelico/gta04-qtmoko

And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the "URL" 
section as

g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git

Hope this helps.

BR,
Nikolaus



> 
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2018, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> 
>> Sent again due to 40k message limit on this list...
>> 
>>  Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
>> Von: "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <h...@goldelico.com>
>> Betreff: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
>> Datum: 21. Februar 2018 um 20:53:12 MEZ
>> An: Tinkerphones Community <commun...@tinkerphones.org>, List for
>> communicating with real GTA04 owners <gta04-ow...@goldelico.com>
>> Kopie: List for Openmoko community discussion
>> <community@lists.openmoko.org>
>> Antwort an: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners
>> <gta04-ow...@goldelico.com>
>> Hi,I am happy to announce that after years of
>> abandonment and obsolescence, QtMoko is back in
>> maintained mode.
>> After several failed attempts, we now have a git
>> tree and a build system where we can apply
>> modifications and accept patches. And we
>> need testers :)
>> Currently, we have a Wheezy and a Jessie based
>> (different git branches) and both run on the
>> GTA04(A3, A4, A5) with latest Letux kernels.
>> Basically QtMoko also starts and runs on the Pyra,
>> but there is nothing to see on the display yet.
>> It simply remains black...
>> Here are the key resources:
>> Project Home: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/ - also for
>> reporting issues
>> Git: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=heads
>> Downloads: http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/?C=M;O=D
>> - look for *-qtmoko.tbz
>> Install on µSD: DEV=/dev/sdb ./makesd qtmoko - to install a Jessie
>> based system
>> Letux-Debian: apt-get install letux-qtmoko - to install if you have
>> installed a different Letux system
>> Here are screen photos of QtMoko/Jessie/Kernel-4.15.2
>> running on a GTA04:
>> 
>> 
>>  Some things are not yet working and missing and
>> some Apps crash after starting, but we are just at
>> the beginning to be able to fix things.
>> Of course our little team can't do all that alone.
>> We need you and the broader community to help with
>> coding, testing or simply donations if you appreciate
>> our effort:
>> http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Product=9607
>> BR and thanks,
>> Nikolaus
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Re: Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

2018-02-23 Thread Norayr Chilingarian

I would prefer it to be on github.

Though usually I am the one who supports decentralization, but here are 
some arguments:


* github is a public place, where it is much more probable that your 
project can be discovered by the people who potentially can get involved, 
even if they did not know about the project before.


(many different ways - accidentally, or by following your friends' 
"likes", or by search, or by other means)


* github stimulates people to fork/make pull requests, this work is 
public, and it increases people's social status, when they contribute to 
the project on the public place, where it is noticeable by their 
community.


On the contrary, by keeping the separate, even public git tree, the 
chances to be discovored and contributed to are much lower.


On Fri, 23 Feb 2018, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:


Sent again due to 40k message limit on this list...

  Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:

Von: "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <h...@goldelico.com>
Betreff: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
Datum: 21. Februar 2018 um 20:53:12 MEZ
An: Tinkerphones Community <commun...@tinkerphones.org>, List for
communicating with real GTA04 owners <gta04-ow...@goldelico.com>
Kopie: List for Openmoko community discussion
<community@lists.openmoko.org>
Antwort an: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners
<gta04-ow...@goldelico.com>

Hi,I am happy to announce that after years of
abandonment and obsolescence, QtMoko is back in
maintained mode.

After several failed attempts, we now have a git
tree and a build system where we can apply
modifications and accept patches. And we
need testers :)

Currently, we have a Wheezy and a Jessie based
(different git branches) and both run on the
GTA04(A3, A4, A5) with latest Letux kernels.

Basically QtMoko also starts and runs on the Pyra,
but there is nothing to see on the display yet.
It simply remains black...

Here are the key resources:

Project Home: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/ - also for
reporting issues
Git: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=heads
Downloads: http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/?C=M;O=D
- look for *-qtmoko.tbz
Install on µSD: DEV=/dev/sdb ./makesd qtmoko - to install a Jessie
based system
Letux-Debian: apt-get install letux-qtmoko - to install if you have
installed a different Letux system

Here are screen photos of QtMoko/Jessie/Kernel-4.15.2
running on a GTA04:




  Some things are not yet working and missing and
some Apps crash after starting, but we are just at
the beginning to be able to fix things.

Of course our little team can't do all that alone.
We need you and the broader community to help with
coding, testing or simply donations if you appreciate
our effort:

http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Product=9607

BR and thanks,
Nikolaus

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Re: Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

2018-02-23 Thread Alexander .S.T. Ross
Oh goodie! looking forward to flashing updated qtmoko :)

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Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

2018-02-22 Thread H. Nikolaus Schaller
Sent again due to 40k message limit on this list...

> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
> 
> Von: "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <h...@goldelico.com>
> Betreff: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
> Datum: 21. Februar 2018 um 20:53:12 MEZ
> An: Tinkerphones Community <commun...@tinkerphones.org>, List for 
> communicating with real GTA04 owners <gta04-ow...@goldelico.com>
> Kopie: List for Openmoko community discussion <community@lists.openmoko.org>
> Antwort an: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners 
> <gta04-ow...@goldelico.com>
> 
> Hi,
> I am happy to announce that after years of
> abandonment and obsolescence, QtMoko is back in
> maintained mode.
> 
> After several failed attempts, we now have a git
> tree and a build system where we can apply
> modifications and accept patches. And we
> need testers :)
> 
> Currently, we have a Wheezy and a Jessie based
> (different git branches) and both run on the
> GTA04(A3, A4, A5) with latest Letux kernels.
> 
> Basically QtMoko also starts and runs on the Pyra,
> but there is nothing to see on the display yet.
> It simply remains black...
> 
> Here are the key resources:
> 
> Project Home: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/ 
> <http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/> - also for reporting issues
> Git:  http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=heads 
> <http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=heads>
> Downloads:http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/?C=M;O=D 
> <http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/?C=M;O=D> - look for 
> *-qtmoko.tbz
> Install on µSD:   DEV=/dev/sdb ./makesd qtmoko - to install a Jessie 
> based system
> Letux-Debian: apt-get install letux-qtmoko - to install if you have installed 
> a different Letux system
> 
> Here are screen photos of QtMoko/Jessie/Kernel-4.15.2
> running on a GTA04:



> Some things are not yet working and missing and
> some Apps crash after starting, but we are just at
> the beginning to be able to fix things.
> 
> Of course our little team can't do all that alone.
> We need you and the broader community to help with
> coding, testing or simply donations if you appreciate
> our effort:
> 
> http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Product=9607 
> <http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Product=9607>
> 
> BR and thanks,
> Nikolaus
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Re: GTA04 bundle for sale

2017-02-24 Thread Bob Ham

Hi again,

After some discussion with others, inspection of currency exchange 
rates, and further ruminations on my desire to shift the kit, I have 
decided to drop the asking price to £550 plus postage, or nearest offer.


Regards,

Bob


On 2017-02-22 21:20, Bob Ham wrote:

Hi all,

I am offering a huge GTA04 bundle including a complete GTA04, a
complete Neo 1973 (GTA01) kit and a virtual treasure trove of
accessories :-)  The GTA04 can run the latest 4.10 kernel[0].

Photos are here: http://settrans.net/~rah/gta04-sale/

- Golden Delicious GTA04 1GHz CPU, 1GB RAM board
- Golden Delicious GTA04 LCD module (attached to GTA04 board)
- Golden Delicious GTA04 RS232 cable
- OpenMoko Neo 1973 case, modified to fit GTA04
- OpenMoko Neo 1973 board with LCD attached (it has string around it
  to keep the battery in; I'll even throw in the string for free! ;-)
- OpenMoko charger A10P1-05MP 5V 2.0A, USB mini B with swappable UK
  and European plugs (bought new from Pulster.de in 2013)
- FIC GTA-01 battery (barely holds charge)
- FIC GTA-02 battery (good, bought new from Pulster.de in 2013)
- OpenMoko neoprene phone case
- OpenMoko big black plastic hacker box (this is possibly the hardest
  thing to let go of; it's a really nice box :-)
- OpenMoko lanyard, unopened
- 2x GTA01 debug boards with flexible flat cables
- Bag of PCB offsets for one debug board
- 2x Glede Torx T6 screwdrivers (one brand new and unopened)
- 2x brand new USB A to USB mini B cables
- Dunlop 73 guitar pick
- Combination pen, stylus and LED light with metal case.
  Unfortunately the pocket clip is loose now and doesn't stay on any
  more. I can't comment on the light but the batteries are definitely
  drained :-)  I'll include them though, so you can find
  replacements.
- Zagg Invisible Shield "OpenMoko Condom" case protector (unused)

I am looking to sell everything for £800 (GBP) plus postage or to
exchange for bitcoins.  I'm open to offers though.

Kind regards,

Bob

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GTA04 bundle for sale

2017-02-22 Thread Bob Ham
Hi all,

I am offering a huge GTA04 bundle including a complete GTA04, a
complete Neo 1973 (GTA01) kit and a virtual treasure trove of
accessories :-)  The GTA04 can run the latest 4.10 kernel[0].

Photos are here: http://settrans.net/~rah/gta04-sale/

- Golden Delicious GTA04 1GHz CPU, 1GB RAM board
- Golden Delicious GTA04 LCD module (attached to GTA04 board)
- Golden Delicious GTA04 RS232 cable
- OpenMoko Neo 1973 case, modified to fit GTA04
- OpenMoko Neo 1973 board with LCD attached (it has string around it
  to keep the battery in; I'll even throw in the string for free! ;-)
- OpenMoko charger A10P1-05MP 5V 2.0A, USB mini B with swappable UK
  and European plugs (bought new from Pulster.de in 2013)
- FIC GTA-01 battery (barely holds charge)
- FIC GTA-02 battery (good, bought new from Pulster.de in 2013)
- OpenMoko neoprene phone case
- OpenMoko big black plastic hacker box (this is possibly the hardest
  thing to let go of; it's a really nice box :-)
- OpenMoko lanyard, unopened
- 2x GTA01 debug boards with flexible flat cables
- Bag of PCB offsets for one debug board
- 2x Glede Torx T6 screwdrivers (one brand new and unopened)
- 2x brand new USB A to USB mini B cables
- Dunlop 73 guitar pick
- Combination pen, stylus and LED light with metal case.
  Unfortunately the pocket clip is loose now and doesn't stay on any
  more. I can't comment on the light but the batteries are definitely
  drained :-)  I'll include them though, so you can find
  replacements.
- Zagg Invisible Shield "OpenMoko Condom" case protector (unused)

I am looking to sell everything for £800 (GBP) plus postage or to
exchange for bitcoins.  I'm open to offers though.

Kind regards,

Bob

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Re: latest Openmoko/GTA04 tinkering: wireless charger

2017-01-02 Thread Neil Jerram
That is awesome!

  Original Message  
From: H. Nikolaus Schaller
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2016 16:39
To: Tinkerphones Community
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Subject: latest Openmoko/GTA04 tinkering: wireless charger

Hi,
I spent some time to develop a Qi charger for the GTA01/02/04 devices
and here its is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSdDYHx7d4

Enjoy and happy new year,
Nikolaus


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Re: latest Openmoko/GTA04 tinkering: wireless charger

2017-01-01 Thread Sebastian Reinhardt
Am 31.12.2016 um 17:30 schrieb H. Nikolaus Schaller:
> Hi,
> I spent some time to develop a Qi charger for the GTA01/02/04 devices
> and here its is:
>
>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSdDYHx7d4
>
> Enjoy and happy new year,
> Nikolaus
>
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Cool! This is an cool feature most other phones did not offer!

But I prefer an "internal" solution to preserve the USB-port. Is it
possible to use this pcb to insert it to the place there the additional
sensor-/ navigation- board was installed in GTA02- version?

Then we can connect it with the RS232- pins, as You proposed before? The
only problem left is, we need a solution for the antenna/ coil. Maybe we
can use an little bit thicker back-/ battery-cover made by an 3D-printer
(like an modified cover based on "slyon's")?

Go on!

My wishes for 2017:

- lets make QtMoKo working complete with exiting hardware (incl. camera,
bluetooth,) and Debian packages

- maybe an Replicant with complete support

- 2018: GTA06 (complete new hardware, to get rid of limitations like
obsolete hardware..) with sunlight-readable display, new LTE/GSM-hw,
Qi-receiver, ..


Happy new year for all "Moko"'er's

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Re: [Tinkerphones] latest Openmoko/GTA04 tinkering: wireless charger

2017-01-01 Thread Boudewijn
On zaterdag 31 december 2016 17:30:57 CET H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> I spent some time to develop a Qi charger for the GTA01/02/04 devices
> and here its is:
> 
>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSdDYHx7d4
Thank you for making the video, it is always nice to see the lights blink :-) 

> Enjoy and happy new year,

Happy new year everyone!

Boudewijn
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latest Openmoko/GTA04 tinkering: wireless charger

2016-12-31 Thread H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi,
I spent some time to develop a Qi charger for the GTA01/02/04 devices
and here its is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSdDYHx7d4

Enjoy and happy new year,
Nikolaus


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1st notice: Letux/GTA04 Kernel- and Userspace-Hacking weekend

2016-02-27 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Hi all,
we (OpenPhoenux community Munich) are organizing a kernel- and user-space
hacking weekend to improve the Letux/GTA04 kernel and to make progress on
matching QtMoko with newer kernels and latest Debian.

This workshop is planned to have two groups:

a) Kernel - to work on the known (and new) issues [1], mainly power management,
but also others (e.g. Camera, Audio for GSM/FM/Bluetooth). The idea is to close
as many issues as possible.

b) QtMoko [2] - update the basis to Debian Jessie, make it compile,
add fixes so that we can use the latest kernels, make new packages.

The workshop location will be in Munich (Germany) area (details to be defined).
Date is also to be defined so that it fits for the participants, but the target 
is some
Saturday+Sunday in spring 2016.

We have a budget to support travel expenses.

Participation will be limited in the total number of people. I think a good 
group
size will be ca. 5 developers each. More is not productive and less is not 
enough
breadth of different experience.

If you think you can and want to participate and actively contribute, please 
apply
by a short mail to me, telling what you want to do and which expertise you have
and if you need support with travel expenses.

If you don't, but know somebody who could be interested and helpful, please
forward this e-mail.

Let's hope this helps to bring our community forward and fix some issues we
want to see solved for a long time.

BR and thanks,
Nikolaus


[1]: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/issues/
[2]: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/
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Re: Gta04 on wikipedia

2016-02-01 Thread Niels Heyvaert
Also added Android-on-Freerunner in the process.

Niels


On 01/31/2016 01:07 PM, Christ van Willegen wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Ed Kapitein <e...@kapitein.org> wrote:
>> Wikipedia [1] has the gta04 marked as cancelled, perhaps someone can bring
>> that page up to date?
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones
> Better this way?
>
> Christ van Willegen
Much better!
 
 
 
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Gta04 on wikipedia

2016-01-31 Thread Ed Kapitein

Hi All,

Wikipedia [1] has the gta04 marked as cancelled, perhaps someone can 
bring that page up to date?


Kind regards,
Ed

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones

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Re: Gta04 on wikipedia

2016-01-31 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Ed Kapitein <e...@kapitein.org> wrote:
> Wikipedia [1] has the gta04 marked as cancelled, perhaps someone can bring
> that page up to date?
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones

Better this way?

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Re: Gta04 on wikipedia

2016-01-31 Thread Ed Kapitein

On 01/31/2016 01:07 PM, Christ van Willegen wrote:

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Ed Kapitein <e...@kapitein.org> wrote:

Wikipedia [1] has the gta04 marked as cancelled, perhaps someone can bring
that page up to date?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones

Better this way?

Christ van Willegen

Much better!


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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

2016-01-28 Thread Boudewijn

On 01/27/2016 03:25 PM, Christ van Willegen wrote:

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Boudewijn  wrote:

If you don't have plans for dinner yet: Saturday I intend to eat at Chez
Fleur [0], at walking distance from the university. Earlier we had dinner
there with people from Openpandora/Pyra, OpenPhoenux and Limesco and I
enjoyed the food (and the company)

Should we make a reservation? :-)


Yes, please do!


There's a reservation at 19.00 at Chez Fleur (mostly Dutch at the 
moment). In case anyone hops by: they don't accept plastic money, so 
come prepared (take friends with cash along :-) ).


Best regards,

Boudewijn





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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

2016-01-27 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Boudewijn  wrote:
> (...merging threads, sorry in case I derail your mail client or offend
> anyone ...)
>
> On 01/25/2016 10:07 AM, Christ van Willegen wrote:
>> Can I suggest http://osm.org/go/0EoSsi6po?m==319762946 on
>> Saturday at 11:00, just after the first keynote? That's where the
>> Goldelico stand was 2 years previously, I think...
>>
> As Nikolaus observed: no one is taking up the glove this year. We'll have to
> find our own meeting spot.

We can still meet there :-)

> If you don't have plans for dinner yet: Saturday I intend to eat at Chez
> Fleur [0], at walking distance from the university. Earlier we had dinner
> there with people from Openpandora/Pyra, OpenPhoenux and Limesco and I
> enjoyed the food (and the company)
>
> Should we make a reservation? :-)

Yes, please do!

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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

2016-01-25 Thread Boudewijn

On 01/25/2016 10:22 AM, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:


Am 25.01.2016 um 10:15 schrieb Christoph Mair <christoph.m...@gmail.com


Am 24.01.2016 10:44 nachm. schrieb "Boudewijn" <wankelwan...@yahoo.com
>
> Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend?

I can't make it this year, sorry. Wish you a great weekend!

Best regards,
  Christoph


Same for me. So there will be no OpenPhoenux stand.

Have an interesting weekend (be it with or without free beer but free
software :),

Thanks :-)

Had I been organized a bit earlier I'd mailed Michael to ask if I could 
share his stand, but as it is I only have my GTA04 and GTA02 and most 
visitors already have played with them I think :-)


Best regards,

Boudewijn



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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

2016-01-25 Thread Boudewijn
(...merging threads, sorry in case I derail your mail client or offend 
anyone ...)


On 01/25/2016 09:22 AM, Perez Diez, Jose Luis wrote:
> El Diumenge 24 Gener 2016, a les 22:43:33, Boudewijn va escriure:
>> Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend?
>
> I'll be there but I will stay mainly on the Perl trak

On 01/25/2016 10:07 AM, Christ van Willegen wrote:


Yes, I do.

I'm arriving on Friday night and will be there Saturday and Sunday
morning (too bad for Neil!).

So, yes, I'd like to meet up!

Can I suggest http://osm.org/go/0EoSsi6po?m==319762946 on
Saturday at 11:00, just after the first keynote? That's where the
Goldelico stand was 2 years previously, I think...

As Nikolaus observed: no one is taking up the glove this year. We'll 
have to find our own meeting spot.


If you don't have plans for dinner yet: Saturday I intend to eat at Chez 
Fleur [0], at walking distance from the university. Earlier we had 
dinner there with people from Openpandora/Pyra, OpenPhoenux and Limesco 
and I enjoyed the food (and the company)


Should we make a reservation? :-)

On 01/25/2016 09:26 AM, n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote:
> I will be there on Sunday afternoon. Focussed in the SDN/NFV DevRoom,
> but would love to meet up.
Will you have lunch or dinner in that area or is it really a short visit?


Best regards,

Boudewijn

[0] http://www.chezfleur.be/

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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

2016-01-25 Thread H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 25.01.2016 um 10:15 schrieb Christoph Mair :

> Am 24.01.2016 10:44 nachm. schrieb "Boudewijn" :
> >
> > Hi lists,
> >
> > Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend?
> 
> I can't make it this year, sorry. Wish you a great weekend!
> 
> Best regards,
>   Christoph

Same for me. So there will be no OpenPhoenux stand.

Have an interesting weekend (be it with or without free beer but free software 
:),
Nikolaus


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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

2016-01-25 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Boudewijn  wrote:
> Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend?

Yes, I do.

> I have been terribly inactive, with hardly enough time to lurk the
> mailinglist, let alone participate in anything. This year I can make it to
> FOSDEM, it would be nice to meet if there's a chance to.

I'm arriving on Friday night and will be there Saturday and Sunday
morning (too bad for Neil!).

So, yes, I'd like to meet up!

Can I suggest http://osm.org/go/0EoSsi6po?m==319762946 on
Saturday at 11:00, just after the first keynote? That's where the
Goldelico stand was 2 years previously, I think...

See you there!

Christ van Willegen

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Re: [Gta04-owner] OpenPhoenux and GTA04 at CCCamp?

2015-07-24 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi,

Am 24.07.2015 um 18:53 schrieb Paul Kocialkowski cont...@paulk.fr:

 Next month, CCCamp will take place near Berlin, Germany.
 The event is a great occasion to highlight the GTA04 project and our
 OpenPhoenux community at large. Neo900 folks already plan on attending
 and will organize a Neo village:
 https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Village:Neo
 
 I will also attend to represent Replicant (and hopefully get a lightning
 talk about it, if not a self-organized session).

Good!

 In addition to
 presenting the project and the various freedom and
 privacy/security-related issues in mobile devices, I would also like to
 try and get new people to join-in.
 
 Nikolaus, do you plan on having some OpenPhoenux and GTA04
 representation at camp besides Neo900?

I didn’t know about this event until some weeks ago - and I personally
have a schedule conflict… And I am not a fan of outdoor camping either :)

 Also, my GTA04 still has a broken
 GPS connector, so I thought perhaps it would be the right time to see
 about it and get it fixed (Joerg already mentioned he would bring some
 soldering tools, too).

Yes, that would have been a good occasion. But you can also send it to me
(any time you like) and I can return it next day (sometimes same day). It
needs around 10 minutes to repair if the person knows how to do it quickly
and reliable.

 
 I would be very happy to meet members of the community there and talk
 about the future of Replicant on the OpenPhoenux projects and community!

Thanks for making us aware!

I am sure that some members of our community are going there. Maybe they
can share their plans and reply to this mail?

BR,
Nikolaus


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Linux gta04 4.1.0-rc4-gta04+ #1096 SMP Tue May 19 13:58:31 CEST 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux

2015-05-19 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
We are proud to have this kernel available for testing [1].

What is new:
* we have fixed a NULL pointer issue in the bq27x00 driver which was introduced 
by 4.1-rc1
* we are preparing for DT support of the camera module; the OMAP3 ISP (Image 
Signal Processor) should already be configured correctly
* everything else that is new with 4.1 and comes to us without big efforts

Some things we are still working on:
* get the GPS chip power managed on open(“/dev/ttyO1”). Technically it works 
since 2 years, but we need to find a solution that is accepted by upstream 
maintainers.
* some tweaks to the touch screen driver are needed to make it more general 
(and useable for Replicant)
* camera
* twl4030 battery driver (fallback for devices like L3704 where hdq is n/a)
* general power management
* sound (we still need to implement voice hardware routing, and headset 
detection)

Please give it a try (it also runs on BeagleBoard/XM, BeagleBone Black or 
PandaBoard ES).

As usual, collaboration is welcome and/or donations [2] to support this work.

And please follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/goldelico

BR and thanks,
Nikolaus

[1]: 
http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/4.1-rc4
[2]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%3ADonation
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Fwd: Welcome to the Gta04-ubuntu-touch mailing list

2015-03-27 Thread Matthias Apitz

(sorry, I wrote to the request of gta04-ubuntu-to...@openphoenux.org,
now the correct mail addr in the To: header)

Hello,

First of all, thanks to Nikolaus for creating this list. Even while it
turned out that there is a tech-folks oriented mailing-list of the
ubuntu-phone project, where the developers of this are participating, we
(the FR folks) can use this list here to exchange ideas of FR users about
this approach of another phone running a Linux.

The other list is at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone

Thanks again

matthias
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menschlich bilden.
Si el hombre es formado por las circunstancias entonces es necesario formar 
humanamente
las circunstancias, Karl Marx in Die heilige Familie / La sagrada familia (MEW 
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Re: Welcome to the Gta04-ubuntu-touch mailing list

2015-03-27 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Friday, March 27, 2015 a las 06:43:02AM +0100, 
gta04-ubuntu-touch-requ...@openphoenux.org escribió:

 Welcome to the gta04-ubuntu-to...@openphoenux.org mailing list!
 
 To post to this list, send your email to:
 
   gta04-ubuntu-to...@openphoenux.org
 
 General information about the mailing list is at:
 
   http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-ubuntu-touch

Hello,

First of all, thanks to Nikolaus for creating this list. Even while it
turned out that there is a tech-folks oriented mailing-list of the
ubuntu-phone project, where the developers of this are participating, we
(the FR folks) can use this list here to exchange ideas of FR users about
this approach of another phone running a Linux.

The other list is at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone

Thanks again

matthias
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Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04A5 - status + FAQ

2015-02-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 13.02.2015 um 07:54 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com:

 Hi,
 a short status update for this project:
 
 1. we have reached 42 preorders [1] - please continue to think about ordering 
 one as well…
 2. we plan to integrate a new barometer sensor BME280 with integrated 
 humidity sensor
so the GTA04A5 can be used as weather station - or for checking your room 
 climate (critical for your health and e.g. a piano)
 3. as announced this week, Replicant is working really well and Lukas told me 
 yesterday that he already installed WhatsApp
 
 So we only need to upgrade hardware to catch up a little to Nexus 6 in 
 functionality…
 But the Nexus still has to catch up in openness and hardware documentation :)
 
 BR,
 Nikolaus
 
 
 [1]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04A5

I have reveived some questions off-list where I would like to share the answers:

 Are you seriously considering to upgrade hardware? Very cool.

Yes, we constantly monitor what new interesting chips are coming that can be
integrated at low risk. Replacing the BMP085 (which by the way is no longer in
production) is just wiring up 8 pins to a different package.

And, we have to do that anyways since a handful of chips is no longer available
and *must* be replaced. I did give a presentation on OHSW about this topic.

But we have to be careful, since “big” changes (e.g. bigger display, quad-core 
CPU,
LTE) are not possible. They introduce too much risk that the whole board does 
not
work and some do not fit into the existing Openmoko plastic cases.
And they need too much work time to be integrated.

It is like mature software with an architecture designed some years ago that you
touch only if it is easy to touch and does not introduce regressions in 
unexpected
areas. I.e. changing the color or text of a button is ok, changing the menu 
structure
isn't :)

 Is there a recording of your OHSW talk?


OHSW: http://www.ohsw.de
Video: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktugrICZMKIlist=PL-s0IumBit8Mofxj0Fn2kH6RB9VtnKS4KVideo
Slides: 
http://download.goldelico.com/default/Presentations/20141129%20OHSW/3%20GTA04A5%20Project%20Status.pdf

 What about this 5000€ or 1€ target?


This target is not really comparable to a kickstarter limit. It is more thought 
as
an indicator to give a more imaginable (at least I hope) view on the project 
funding
status.

The real target we have is to get 100 preorders (vouchers) at 100 € each. This
is equivalent to a 1€ sum of preorders.

Only if we have reached that, we can seriously go to the production facility and
ask them to give us a quotation (it is some heavy unpaid work for them and I 
don’t
want to go to them just for fun). Only then, we know the real price of building
100 units.

We will then announce the price and ask to pay the difference between the 
voucher
and the final price. If nobody cancels his voucher, we can then start the 
production.

There is one aspect which could make us the 1€ a real goal.

I fear that we do not have much time left over to buy the OPTION GTM601W
3G modules. They are in production for quite a while, but there is no successor.

And as soon as OPTION is no longer able to buy some component inside the
module, they will stop production (maybe they already have stopped and we
don’t know yet). Then we only can buy what is still in some stock. Maybe at 
rising
price. Or we come too late and they say: sorry, we are sold out.

And the OPTION module is one of the deal-breaker components. If we can’t buy
it any more there is no chance to redesign the GTA04A5 board for a replacement
component. Other modules are thicker or bigger - and need a careful design-in
process.

So w/o GTM601 (or DM3730 or memory chip) there can be no GTA04A5. 

In that case, we simply refund the preorder vouchers.

So an option would be to use these vouchers to buy OPTION (pun unintended :)
GTM601W modules.

Then, in case of the project never succeeds, we would not refund the money,
but could send you the module in case the project fails to reach 100 units for
production.

This would transform the voucher for a GTA04A5 into a voucher for a GTM601W
module and a separate one for a GTA04A5 production run later.

But it is too early to really do that step since we just have 42. If we had 75, 
I would
say that we do this risk purchase.

 The campaign is already running for a while and running very slowly.
 Will it ever succeed? When will it considered to be failed?


Well, I don’t know since my crystal ball doesn’t tell that.

And yes, this funding campaign runs very slowly. Since it is a very special 
product
for a very special target group. Only GTA02 (and GTA01) owners have benefit
from it. And since we all are here on these lists, it does not make sense to 
start
a Kickstarter/IndieGoGo for the broad public to get more interested people. And,
there is no benefit of making it a competition against the calendar (4-8 weeks).

Either you are convinced or not. Or change your 

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04A5 - status + FAQ

2015-02-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 13.02.2015 um 17:32 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak d...@dosowisko.net:

 Hi,
 
 Thanks for this great follow-up! I have one question:
 
 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
 h...@goldelico.com wrote:
 And yes, this funding campaign runs very slowly. Since it is a very special 
 product
 for a very special target group. Only GTA02 (and GTA01) owners have benefit
 from it.
 
 What about case kits? I remember there was some effort to make it
 possible to replace old GTA02 parts with easier to obtain equivalents,
 so using GTA04 board in self-made case (like 3D printed one) would be
 possible. What's the situation right now?

To go into detail the situation is this:

In addition to the naked motherboard these parts from a GTA01/02 are reused:
a) case (3 black plastic parts plus white speaker box)
b) vibramotor
c) earpiece speaker
d) handsfree/music speaker(s)
e) display panel
f) battery
g) GSM antenna
h) active GPS antenna module

Replacements are
a) there are several STL designs available, even a wooden case looks feasible.
b) we will solder a small(er) vibramotor on the GTA04A5 board, so that it does 
not longer need to be reused.
c) here, we did have a replacement but it is now end of life. We have a 
supplier and catalog for other replacements.
d) they were easily available at Mouser until last summer. So we just have ~25 
pieces left over [1]. But it could be possible to find them on Alibaba.
e) here we have ca. 60 units [2] - and no idea if anyone has stock for more.
f) we still have some stock and maybe other of the well known Openmoko 
distributors as well.
g) here we want to offer a replacement (similar to the green “cucumber” in the 
photo [3]).
h) there are several GPS modules to choose from.

So in summary, we already offer some of the required components and will offer 
others.
But three key components (battery, handsfree speakers and display) are limited 
and w/o good replacments.

BR,
Nikolaus


[1]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%3ASpeaker
[2]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=LCD%20Module
[3]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%3ACase%20Kit
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ANN 1: gta04-kernel 3.19.0

2015-02-09 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Hi,
we have upgraded the gta04-kernel to 3.19.0 which by itself does not change
much or fix significant issues, but we have achieved something we think is
awesome:

The kernel now also runs on the OMAP3530 based OpenPandora!

We did just develop and debug a new device tree. Not everything is working
yet, but it is now in a shape where we think we can announce it.

The really interesting fact will be that for the first time we have a common
kernel over several OMAP based open hardware projects: it supports the
GTA04 devices, the Beagle- and PandaBoard, the old OpenMoko-Beagle-Hybrid,
the OpenPandora and will also support the new OMAP5 Pyra handheld and
whatever might come in the future (GTA04A5?).

And as the really latest entry is the BeagleBone Black.

The same kernel binary. The same binary kernel modules, the same root file
system. Just loading a different device tree file and some small patches for
the root file system is sufficient. Even sharing a SD card is possible (within
some limitations). Something we are used to from the x86 world.
Just replace the motherboard, plug in the old hard disk and boot again.

And, we can mix this kernel with different root file systems: Debian,
Replicant, QtMoko (if we get it compiled…), QuantumSTEP (if we finish it
sometime), others to be defined.

So we are close to transforming “gta04” into a multiple-choice-distribution
for different hardware.

Here is a list of the features supported by this kernel on the different 
devices:

http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/page/Platforms/

And, we are now at the forefront of the kernel development, since we
regularily merge with linus/master. By upstreaming our changes, we hope
that in some near future all these devices will be fully supported
directly by kernel.org.

So I hope that we are doing something you appreciate and find useful
and perhaps would like to support either through [1] or by testing, reporting
bugs and submitting patches.

We really appreciate your feedback, since we don’t find every bug and
flaw - and we always understand the bad and incomplete documentation [2]
we have written…

BR,
Nikolaus

[1]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%3ADonation
[2]: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/


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Re: [Gta04-owner] ANN 2: new gta04-makesd for preparing bootable SD cards

2015-02-09 Thread Boudewijn
On Monday 09 February 2015 21:14:51 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
 So I hope that we are doing something you appreciate and find useful
 and maybe would like to support either through [1] or by testing, reporting
 bugs and submitting patches.
Yes! Really a lot! I came home late tonight, intending to only have a quick 
look at my mail and find myself cloning the repository and downloading Lucas' 
image.

Thank you all who have contributed!

Best regards,

Boudewijn

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Re: Where Can I Get A GTA04 Camera?

2015-01-01 Thread Alexey Smirnoff
You need to implement H.264 in v4l for uvc first if you want to use hd usb
webcams afaik.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 02:09:14PM +, Alexander .S.T. Ross wrote:
 thanks muchly for the info.
 apologies but i'm not at a level to fix that sort of thing but more
 importantly I'm taking my self in a different direction in life, hence
 my interest in the gta04 for using it to enable me to do what i want and
 so i'll make do with what i get. maybe one year I might have lots of
 moneys to give to devs so if they wish, they can spend time on improving
 things instead of a sucky job :D
 
 I greatly appreciate the work you do and have already done. thank you!
 
 what i might do is see about recompiling the kernel (eek, didn't plan to
 do that ;) ) and enable usb webcam support, I wonder if the gta04 might
 somehow cope with a hd webcam... hehe :D

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Re: Where Can I Get A GTA04 Camera?

2014-12-31 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Alexander,

Am 31.12.2014 um 01:09 schrieb Alexander .S.T. Ross 
maillist_openm...@aross.me:

 is the optional camera fully supported now? according to the manual it
 isn’t. so what is it now?

The status is that it is supported by the 3.12.7 kernel, but not optimized (the 
position of the image is shifted).
The newer kernels (3.18) do not yet support the camera since the OMAP3 Image 
Processor (ISP) does not have
Device Tree support yet and the camera module driver has not been adjusted to 
recent kernel API changes.

So if you want to help to get it work on 3.19-rc you are very welcome to the 
gta04-kernel project [1].

BR and have a nice new year,
Nikolaus

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Re: Where Can I Get A GTA04 Camera?

2014-12-31 Thread Alexander .S.T. Ross
thanks muchly for the info.
apologies but i'm not at a level to fix that sort of thing but more
importantly I'm taking my self in a different direction in life, hence
my interest in the gta04 for using it to enable me to do what i want and
so i'll make do with what i get. maybe one year I might have lots of
moneys to give to devs so if they wish, they can spend time on improving
things instead of a sucky job :D

I greatly appreciate the work you do and have already done. thank you!

what i might do is see about recompiling the kernel (eek, didn't plan to
do that ;) ) and enable usb webcam support, I wonder if the gta04 might
somehow cope with a hd webcam... hehe :D

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Re: Where Can I Get A GTA04 Camera?

2014-12-30 Thread Alexander .S.T. Ross
is the optional camera fully supported now? according to the manual it
isn’t. so what is it now?

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Re: Where Can I Get A GTA04 Camera?

2014-12-26 Thread Alexander .S.T. Ross
I'm wondering, as i might well be getting my hands on a gta04 without
camera, Does anyone have a camera left over,laying
around that i could have or know where i could get one?

thanks

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Re: [Community] Selling gta04 OpenPhoenux

2014-12-21 Thread Alexey Smirnoff
The price is now 550 euro / 675 usd / 430 pounds.

On Sat, Dec 06, 2014 at 03:06:52AM +0600, fling wrote:
 I'm selling the complete OpenPhoenux device.
 gta04 board in gta02 case with gta02 and nokia batteries included.
 Anyone interested?

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Re: [Community] Selling gta04 OpenPhoenux

2014-12-13 Thread Alexey Smirnoff
Is 630 euros a good price with shipping/tracking included?

On Sat, Dec 06, 2014 at 03:06:52AM +0600, fling wrote:
 I'm selling the complete OpenPhoenux device.
 gta04 board in gta02 case with gta02 and nokia batteries included.
 Anyone interested?

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Re: Selling gta04 OpenPhoenux

2014-12-06 Thread Alexander .S.T. Ross
On 05/12/14 21:06, Alexey Smirnoff wrote:
 I'm selling the complete OpenPhoenux device.
 gta04 board in gta02 case with gta02 and nokia batteries included.
 Anyone interested?
 

I am! :) how much, please?

*the young adult wonders what's spare coins there in the piggy bank :)

thanks

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Selling gta04 OpenPhoenux

2014-12-05 Thread Alexey Smirnoff
I'm selling the complete OpenPhoenux device.
gta04 board in gta02 case with gta02 and nokia batteries included.
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Re: [Gta04-owner] Special offer Letux 3704

2014-08-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Reminder!

Please think about more interesting project ideas for this device!

And the offer is serious - your price is ours (even if 1 € - if the idea is 
excellent).

BR,
Nikolaus

Am 31.07.2014 um 11:06 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com:

 Hi,
 as you probably know, the Letux 2804 has an older brother, the Letux 3704 
 PDA.
 As some older brothers it is stronger, but a little clumsy and may not be as
 versatile as the younger brother :) But he has his strengths if needed...
 
 http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Letux%203704
 
 The L3704 units we offer from stock are sample units to evaluate customization
 options, and we are looking for more such customization projects.
 
 A Replicant 4.2 image is running on it very well, so that you can easily
 develop (or have developed) and deploy applications to such devices. And
 since it doesn't have UMTS built in, the incomplete Hayes-RIL for 
 GTA04-Replicant
 is not a problem. 
 
 To stimulate your ideas, we make a special summer holidays offer:
 
 * please submit a project idea what you want to accomplish with such a device
 * and suggest a price for a (single) sample unit until 15th August.
 
 Then, we will choose the most interesting projects from the submissions
 and you get the device at the price (plus shipment) you have suggested.
 
 Submissions must go to: sa...@goldelico.com to be considered.
 
 Please spread the word and invite interested people to this mailing list.
 
 BR and have a nice summer,
 Nikolaus
 
 
 
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Re: Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04

2014-06-28 Thread Maelvon HAWK


Le 09/06/2014 23:12, Maelvon HAWK a écrit :

Le 09/06/2014 10:52, Neil Jerram a écrit :

On 2014-06-09 05:36, Radek Polak wrote:

On Sunday, June 08, 2014 00:00:27 Maelvon HAWK wrote:


Is Qx working with GTA04 in QtMoko?


IIRC it worked. Maybe you will need to use Xorg instead of Xfbdev. You
can try uninstall Xfbdev and QX could again ask to install and
configure Xorg for you.


If Xorg is always better, it would be good to remove the choice of
installing Xfbdev (at least for GTA04).



Thanks Neil and Radek,

Ok, I've already tested the Xorg instalation, but it hang at getting a 
package. I don't remember wich one, so I've installed xfbdev version. 
And it seems to not working.


I'll try next week the Neil tips with xserver-xorg-input-evdev.

I'm trying to run, the compilation works fine, the openambit.org 
project on the GTA04, as it can be a solution to retrieve and store 
the logs of a Sunnto watches while trecking. If Qx works in Qtmoko! 
And connecting the Usb will be the next step.



There might be another problem that xserver-xorg-input-tslib was
removed from debian wheezy, so you must use xserver-xorg-input-evdev
for input. Now i am not sure which one is the GTA04 frinedly one...


Does the QtMoko GTA04 kernel include Nikolaus's patch for dejittering in
the kernel?  If it does, it should be fine to use evdev.

   Neil


Ok, that's not completly feasible so the Qx in Qtmoko for GTA04! Can I 
run a Qt application on the Lxde distribution in a backup solution?


Thanks,

Maelvon



No chance to make working Qx under the Gta04. :-(

But I've succeed to re-install the 
20140328-GTA04-Production-3.12.7-wheezy-7.3 from Goldelico and run the 
soft under Lxde. I'll start a new thread about that on 
gta04-ow...@goldelico.com


Maelvon

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Re: Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04

2014-06-10 Thread Neil Jerram

On 2014-06-09 22:12, Maelvon HAWK wrote:


Can I
run a Qt application on the Lxde distribution in a backup solution?


Yes.

   Neil


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Re: Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04

2014-06-09 Thread Neil Jerram

On 2014-06-09 05:36, Radek Polak wrote:

On Sunday, June 08, 2014 00:00:27 Maelvon HAWK wrote:


Is Qx working with GTA04 in QtMoko?


IIRC it worked. Maybe you will need to use Xorg instead of Xfbdev. You
can try uninstall Xfbdev and QX could again ask to install and
configure Xorg for you.


If Xorg is always better, it would be good to remove the choice of 
installing Xfbdev (at least for GTA04).



There might be another problem that xserver-xorg-input-tslib was
removed from debian wheezy, so you must use xserver-xorg-input-evdev
for input. Now i am not sure which one is the GTA04 frinedly one...


Does the QtMoko GTA04 kernel include Nikolaus's patch for dejittering in 
the kernel?  If it does, it should be fine to use evdev.


  Neil


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Re: Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04

2014-06-09 Thread Maelvon HAWK

Le 09/06/2014 10:52, Neil Jerram a écrit :

On 2014-06-09 05:36, Radek Polak wrote:

On Sunday, June 08, 2014 00:00:27 Maelvon HAWK wrote:


Is Qx working with GTA04 in QtMoko?


IIRC it worked. Maybe you will need to use Xorg instead of Xfbdev. You
can try uninstall Xfbdev and QX could again ask to install and
configure Xorg for you.


If Xorg is always better, it would be good to remove the choice of
installing Xfbdev (at least for GTA04).



Thanks Neil and Radek,

Ok, I've already tested the Xorg instalation, but it hang at getting a 
package. I don't remember wich one, so I've installed xfbdev version. 
And it seems to not working.


I'll try next week the Neil tips with xserver-xorg-input-evdev.

I'm trying to run, the compilation works fine, the openambit.org project 
on the GTA04, as it can be a solution to retrieve and store the logs of 
a Sunnto watches while trecking. If Qx works in Qtmoko! And connecting 
the Usb will be the next step.



There might be another problem that xserver-xorg-input-tslib was
removed from debian wheezy, so you must use xserver-xorg-input-evdev
for input. Now i am not sure which one is the GTA04 frinedly one...


Does the QtMoko GTA04 kernel include Nikolaus's patch for dejittering in
the kernel?  If it does, it should be fine to use evdev.

   Neil


Ok, that's not completly feasible so the Qx in Qtmoko for GTA04! Can I 
run a Qt application on the Lxde distribution in a backup solution?


Thanks,

Maelvon




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Re: Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04

2014-06-08 Thread Neil Jerram

On 2014-06-07 23:00, Maelvon HAWK wrote:


I launch the application in Qx, but the application interface's button
doesn't respond to any touch on the screen.
I'm in Qx with Xfbdev.
Is Qx working with GTA04 in QtMoko?


I've personally found it unreliable and difficult to use.  However I 
remember seeing reports from several others saying that it worked for 
them.  So maybe I was doing something wrong or using a less good QtMoko 
version, or had somehow messed things up with my own patches.


Regards,
 Neil



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Re: Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04

2014-06-08 Thread Radek Polak
On Sunday, June 08, 2014 00:00:27 Maelvon HAWK wrote:

 I launch the application in Qx, but the application interface's button
 doesn't respond to any touch on the screen.
 I'm in Qx with Xfbdev.
 Is Qx working with GTA04 in QtMoko?

IIRC it worked. Maybe you will need to use Xorg instead of Xfbdev. You can try 
uninstall Xfbdev and QX could again ask to install and configure Xorg for you.

There might be another problem that xserver-xorg-input-tslib was removed from 
debian wheezy, so you must use xserver-xorg-input-evdev for input. Now i am 
not sure which one is the GTA04 frinedly one...

BR

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Re: Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04

2014-06-07 Thread Maelvon HAWK


Le 06/06/2014 18:29, Neil Jerram a écrit :

On 2014-06-06 15:57, Maelvon  HAWK wrote:

 I have a GTA04 and want to run an application in Qtmoko with Qx,
 but I've no mouse pointer at all. Is that normal?

 I think it is normal.  How would a visible mouse pointer help you? -
 given that nothing will happen until you touch the screen, and then
 it will be the position of your touch that controls what happens.

 I've tested Qx with


I launch the application in Qx, but the application interface's button 
doesn't respond to any touch on the screen.

I'm in Qx with Xfbdev.
Is Qx working with GTA04 in QtMoko?



I see some threads talking  about tslib and evdev but I do not see

 much on the list
 (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2013-January/068137.html)


 And as the application have a Qt4 GUI, I'm asking myself if I can run

it directly in Qtmoko, but  I don't known how!


 Unfortunately, no, because the Qt4 application is still probably
 expecting to output to an X server, and native QtMoko uses a
 different display server.  To run directly in QtMoko, at least a
 rebuild will be needed, within the QtMoko build environment, and
 possibly a little porting work too.

 Thanks in advance,

 Maelvon HAWK

 Regards, Neil

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Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04

2014-06-06 Thread Maelvon HAWK
I have a GTA04 and want to run an application in Qtmoko with Qx, but 
I've no mouse pointer at all. Is that normal? I've tested Qx with


I see some threads talking about tslib and evdev but I do not see much 
on the list 
(http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2013-January/068137.html)


And as the application have a Qt4 GUI, I'm asking myself if I can run it 
directly in Qtmoko, but I don't known how!


Thanks in advance,

Maelvon HAWK

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Re: Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04

2014-06-06 Thread Neil Jerram

On 2014-06-06 15:57, Maelvon HAWK wrote:

I have a GTA04 and want to run an application in Qtmoko with Qx, but
I've no mouse pointer at all. Is that normal?


I think it is normal.  How would a visible mouse pointer help you? - 
given that nothing will happen until you touch the screen, and then it 
will be the position of your touch that controls what happens.



I've tested Qx with

I see some threads talking about tslib and evdev but I do not see much
on the list
(http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2013-January/068137.html)

And as the application have a Qt4 GUI, I'm asking myself if I can run
it directly in Qtmoko, but I don't known how!


Unfortunately, no, because the Qt4 application is still probably 
expecting to output to an X server, and native QtMoko uses a different 
display server.  To run directly in QtMoko, at least a rebuild will be 
needed, within the QtMoko build environment, and possibly a little 
porting work too.



Thanks in advance,

Maelvon HAWK


Regards,
 Neil


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Re: sensors on GTA04

2014-04-02 Thread L. B.
ok, I'll have a look. I'll make some notes and send it to the list if I
find something.

Lionel


On 2 April 2014 06:15, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote:


 Am 02.04.2014 um 03:17 schrieb L. B.:

 Hi,

 I'd like to play with the compass but the info from the documentation page
 does not correspond with what I got on my phone (using qtmoko v58). The
 page I use is that one:
 http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/page/Sensors/

 In the 'compass' section there is a switch to enable/disable sampling. On
 my phone there is a directory

 /sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-2/2-001e/

 but there is no 'rate' file in there. Same applies for the gyroscope.
 Has anything been changed?


 No. The kenrel doc is for the Goldelico kernels which were 2.6.32 some
 years ago and now reflect the drivers of 3.12 (ff).

 QtMoko AFAIK uses a 3.7 kernel and since the /sys node names are not
 stable (and never will be) you might have to do a little guesswork and look
 into the 3.7 kernel source code to find out how the driver works.

 Hope this helps,
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sensors on GTA04

2014-04-01 Thread L. B.
Hi,

I'd like to play with the compass but the info from the documentation page
does not correspond with what I got on my phone (using qtmoko v58). The
page I use is that one:
http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/page/Sensors/

In the 'compass' section there is a switch to enable/disable sampling. On
my phone there is a directory

/sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-2/2-001e/

but there is no 'rate' file in there. Same applies for the gyroscope.
Has anything been changed?

Thanks,

Lionel
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Re: sensors on GTA04

2014-04-01 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 02.04.2014 um 03:17 schrieb L. B.:

 Hi,
 
 I'd like to play with the compass but the info from the documentation page 
 does not correspond with what I got on my phone (using qtmoko v58). The page 
 I use is that one:
 http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/page/Sensors/
 
 In the 'compass' section there is a switch to enable/disable sampling. On my 
 phone there is a directory 
 /sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-2/2-001e/
 but there is no 'rate' file in there. Same applies for the gyroscope.
 Has anything been changed?

No. The kenrel doc is for the Goldelico kernels which were 2.6.32 some years 
ago and now reflect the drivers of 3.12 (ff).

QtMoko AFAIK uses a 3.7 kernel and since the /sys node names are not stable 
(and never will be) you might have to do a little guesswork and look into the 
3.7 kernel source code to find out how the driver works.

Hope this helps,
Nikolaus

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GTA04/ QtMoKo v57 WLAN issue

2014-03-05 Thread Sebastian Reinhardt

Hi,

Radek, You stated bevore that You can not connect to WiFi any longer. I 
have same issue here.

I tried this [1]  and, maybe I figured the problem out:
As soon as You try to connect to disired network QtMoKo copies the 
required data to /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf. Please look 
at his file, here in mine the psk
 is unencrypted! As soon as I cange this, according to [1], I can 
connect to WiFi- network with console command in *3. Connecting to WPA 
/ WPA2 encrypted wifi network! Then it stays connected! Maybe this is 
the issue.*
One more thing: my phone shows device name wlan3, but this should not 
be a problem..


[1] 
http://pc-freak.net/blog/how-to-connect-to-wifi-network-using-console-or-terminal-on-gnu-linux/



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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-22 Thread Ben Wong
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:
 On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

 We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline

 Why?  The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone.  Why would you waste
 time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the
 board being used?  Why are you not spending this time working on the
 power drain?

 When you start working on the master or PhD thesis to resolve the power
 drain, I'm sure you'll find the community will be more supportive

After much study, I have discovered that the biggest power drain
appears to be coming from certain posts on the mailing list which
ridicule and demoralize the people actually doing the work in this
community. When people volunteer to work on free software/hardware
projects, they are doing something to make the world a better place
and they should be paid back with, at the least, our respect.

—Ben

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GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

 We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline

Why?  The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone.  Why would you waste
time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the
board being used?  Why are you not spending this time working on the
power drain?


 BTW: more support for that work from the community would speed up progress.

On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 09:57 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
 Looks like topic for a master or PhD thesis...

When you start working on the master or PhD thesis to resolve the power
drain, I'm sure you'll find the community will be more supportive

-- 
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net

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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:03:47 Bob Ham wrote:
 On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
  We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline
 
 Why?  The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone.  Why would you waste
 time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the
 board being used?

Thanks a lot for the excellent advice! Now if you could elaborate on what 
exactly *is* the source of the problem, and particularly why it's not related 
to kernel's power management, according to your insight.

 Why are you not spending this time working on the
 power drain?

See above!

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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 21.02.2014 um 10:03 schrieb Bob Ham:

 On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
 
 We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline
 
 Why?  The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste
 time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the
 board being used?  Why are you not spending this time working on the
 power drain?

Maybe you don't know or believe but the kernel controls the power drain.
So working on the kernel is working on the power drain...

Why do you waste time to write such mails instead of working on the
problems that prevent the board being used?  Why are you not spending
this time working on the power drain?

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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

  the kernel controls the power drain.

How has that been determined?

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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:54:23 Bob Ham wrote:
 On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
   the kernel controls the power drain.
 
 How has that been determined?

Roughly same way as Pi 
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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:54:23 Bob Ham wrote:
 On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
   the kernel controls the power drain.
 
 How has that been determined?

Your initial rant sounded much similar to the plot:
blame the architect for not working on the electrics of the house, to stop the 
excess energy expense caused by the residents not shutting down the heating 
when opening the windows.
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Re: void (was: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 11:43:08 David Matthews wrote:
 Yes it is, and those who do not believe so should allow those of us that do
 value it to enjoy it in peace :-0 - I at least do not need to be told
 repeatedly how foolish I am for delighting over something someone else
 believes has zero worth

Please don't polemize! Nobody has told you that you're foolish. You do that 
now, about those of us who question the purpose of changing IMEI (something 
that got lost in your mail's topic, as well as the thread reference that 
would've put this into context)
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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham:

 On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
 
 the kernel controls the power drain.
 
 How has that been determined?

Please find the answer and tell us about the results.

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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
 Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham:
 
  On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
  
  the kernel controls the power drain.
  
  How has that been determined?
 
 Please find the answer and tell us about the results.

This answer implies that you have nothing to back up your assertion that
the kernel controls the power drain.  It implies that your assertion
was, in fact, just speculation.  And if you don't know whether the
kernel causes the power drain, then you can't know that working on the
kernel is working on the power drain.

You are not working directly on the problem of the power drain.  When
you start doing that work, instead of developing kernels for a useless
phone board, the community will be more supportive.

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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 19:22:00 Bob Ham wrote:
 On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
  Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham:
   On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
   the kernel controls the power drain.
   
   How has that been determined?
  
  Please find the answer and tell us about the results.
 
 This answer implies that you have nothing to back up your assertion that
 the kernel controls the power drain.  It implies that your assertion
 was, in fact, just speculation.  And if you don't know whether the
 kernel causes the power drain, then you can't know that working on the
 kernel is working on the power drain.
 
 You are not working directly on the problem of the power drain.  When
 you start doing that work, instead of developing kernels for a useless
 phone board, the community will be more supportive.

please take it elsewhere!
you evidently got NFC but think you can patronize and instruct others
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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 19:22:00 Bob Ham wrote:
 On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
  Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham:
   On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
   the kernel controls the power drain.
   
   How has that been determined?
  
  Please find the answer and tell us about the results.
 
 This answer implies that you have nothing to back up your assertion that
 the kernel controls the power drain.  It implies that your assertion
 was, in fact, just speculation.  And if you don't know whether the
 kernel causes the power drain, then you can't know that working on the
 kernel is working on the power drain.
 
 You are not working directly on the problem of the power drain.  When
 you start doing that work, instead of developing kernels for a useless
 phone board, the community will be more supportive.

Nikolaus' answer just implies one thing: he noticed quicker than me that any 
answer to you is futile.
Feel free to pick the right one matching to your statements from 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy
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Re: [Gta04-owner] qtmoko-eyepiece

2013-12-16 Thread Adrien Dorsaz
Hello!

I've found a solution to fix this problem with Debian Wheezy (the one
for GTA04), please see this bug report:
https://github.com/radekp/eyepiece/issues/1

TLDR; you need to make symbolic links for libdjvulibre and libfontconfig
libraries inside the /usr/lib/ directory and open PDF from the Eyepiece
application.

Le vendredi 02 août 2013 à 18:56 +0200, correu griera a écrit :
 Thanks Radek!!
 
 
 I have the same problem: I tried to run Eyepiece, it install the lib
 and I get the error Installation failed.
 
 
 Thanks a lot!! Griera
 
 
 
 2013/7/31 Adrien Dorsaz adr...@adorsaz.ch
 Hello !
 
 Le mercredi 31 juillet 2013 à 16:13 +0200, Radek Polak a
 écrit :
  On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 08:47:59 AM Griera wrote:
 
 
   there is only the package for armel version.
   Thanks a lot. Griera.
 
  Should be fixed now (but not tested).
 
  BR
 
 
 
  Radek
 
 
 Thanks, now we've the package, but it doesn't find
 libdjvulibre21 and
 libfontconfig1 when it starts and ask to install them. I've
 already
 installed them and when it tries, it makes error :
 Installation
 failed.
 
 I've tried to open a PDF despite of the error message, but
 I've a
 message which said it cann't load plugin.
 
 Does someone have any hint to make it works ?
 
 Thanks,
 Adrien
 
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Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04A5

2013-12-14 Thread kardan
Hi,

good to hear about the progress. For the upcoming gruenes blatt, a
german speaking ecofriendly and direct action orientied magazine I
wrote a short article about free phones[1] and open source hardware[2]
This is intented as a series to be continued in future editions. If
there are news, you want to see in this section, please give me a
message in english or german.

If there are news from the munich conference I am happy to create a
layout with scribus.

All the best,
kardan


[1]
PDF: http://gruenes-blatt.de/index.php/Datei:Grbl2013-3_s50_144dpi.pdf
Text: http://gruenes-blatt.de/index.php/2013-03:Telefone_mit_freier_Technik
[2] 
PDF: http://gruenes-blatt.de/index.php/Datei:Grbl2013-3_s3_144dpi.pdf
Text: http://gruenes-blatt.de/index.php/2013-03:Freie-Technik-Nachrichten

(sorry to all non german readers)


On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 13:29:44 +0100
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 the GTA04A5 campaign is progressing slowly (as expected), but it is!
 
 We already have 15 units on preorder [1]. Of course this is not yet
 enough to get the price down to regions we all want, but a start has
 been made!
 
 My hope is that we can use synergies with the Neo900 project to get
 some (not all) components cheaper.
 
 Replicant 4.0, Kernel 3.13 (and perhaps QtMoko) are also making
 progress so that there is choice for good software.
 
 BR,
 Nikolaus
 
 [1]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04A5
 
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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-09-03 Thread joerg Reisenweber
Hi!
just as a short newsflash: we got 258 votes-of-interest and even 30 that are 
willing to pay =700EUR for a Neo900 aka GTA04-NeoN board plus housing and 
other needed parts.
Follow the hype at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142

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Re: [Community] GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-09-03 Thread Radek Polak
On Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:51:50 AM joerg Reisenweber wrote:

 Hi!
 just as a short newsflash: we got 258 votes-of-interest and even 30 that
 are willing to pay =700EUR for a Neo900 aka GTA04-NeoN board plus housing
 and other needed parts.
 Follow the hype at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142

You can count me too, but not for the first prototype. I wont buy until i know 
there is 100% working modem and power management. Until that i will keep 
working on GTA04.

Anyways good luck and please keep us informed about the progress!

BR

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-28 Thread arne anka

I would say, maemo fremantle is great.
if we could manage to make it free, i. e. rewrite it's non-free parts,
and make it available on more platforms, like nexus, it'll be great.
having free hardware in n900 case it good too.
but first of all let's get working free, indeed free maemo. not the
proprietary one that could be flashed from nokia images.
but the one which is possible to port to different devices. so may be
someone does not like n900 and want to use it on n9 or nexus. or
whatever phone he has.
I like SHR for that reason - there are at least a couple of platforms
supported.


maemo isn't great, maemo is a purposefully crippled debian with the  
added benefit to prevent the user from simply using debian armel packages.
imo, the way to go would be to port all of maemo to debian thereby getting  
rid of nokia's imcompatibilities also inside packages (gtk springs to  
mind).

iirc there is/was work going on in that direction.


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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:12 AM, arne anka wrote:

 maemo isn't great

If I were using Maemo, I guess the biggest problem for me would be
security support, I wonder if there is any right now?

 imo, the way to go would be to port all of maemo to debian thereby getting

Your wording isn't clear here, but I guess you mean join Debian and
get all the new packages and patches from Maemo added to Debian? If
you want to start doing that, take a look at these pages. I'm sure
that the Debian mobile folks will be happy to help guide you with
this.

http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers
https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile

 iirc there is/was work going on in that direction.

At one point the Hildon stuff was in Debian but it got removed because
it became clear that it did not have a future upstream since Nokia was
dropping it. Now some things like 0x are in Debian but not much
else. In particular I don't think that Debian has a version of Linux
that can run on the N900 yet, same for GTA02/GTA04. Probably the same
for bootloaders etc.

There is some info about how different Maemo (all versions) is from
Debian in these files:

http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/sources.new
http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/sources.patches
http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/patches/

These are derived from this data:

https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/Maemo

If there is anyone from the Maemo community interested in being the
contact point for maintaining this info, I get the impression that
Jeremiah is no longer involved in Maemo so it would be great to have a
replacement for him.

https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census
https://wiki.debian.org/DerivativesFrontDesk

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-28 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Wed 28 August 2013 10:33:47 Paul Wise wrote:
 There is some info about how different Maemo (all versions) is from
 Debian in these files:
 
 http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/sources.new
 http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/sources.patches
 http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/patches/
 
 These are derived from this data:
 
 https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/Maemo

Maybe related resp helping:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages (NB that's not my POV, usual 
disclaimers apply), and
http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages

The maemo fremantle porting project is not targeted at creating a fork or new 
release of maemo OS, but strictly to keep compatibility from N900 to Neo900 so 
users can ideally restore a backup from their old N900 to their new Neo900 and 
the device acts exactly like user got used to. Also we don't plan to recompile 
the repositories with all the applications, and for the much needed core apps 
like dialer we even can't do that since they are closed.

However you're free to run any distro you like on GTA04 and GTA04-N900 aka 
Neo900, just the maemo community fremantle porting task force will not bother 
about rebasing on debian or whatever, the goals of that task force are 
clearly defined.

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-28 Thread Norayr Chilingarian
Non-free maemo isn't redistributable.
There's must be free maemo version.
The existing version won't be possible to flash to gta-04 because it is
currently not possible to do that. It's different hardware.
Otherwise it won't be necessary to port SHR to n900, that's obvious.
So, in order to redistribute GTA-04 version of maemo, there must be free
redistributable maemo.

Also, I believe many apps like GPS apps which use liblocation won't
work, because liblocation is proprietary, and needs to be rewritten with
the same interface. Otherwise, full compatibility is just not possible,
without replacing those proprietary parts with free parts.

I personally have no problem using SHR on n900 like device. But you are
the one who considers maemo compatibility to be the key feature. That's
why I am writing this.

The maemo fremantle porting project is not targeted at creating a fork
or new release of maemo OS, but strictly to keep compatibility from
N900 to Neo900 so users can ideally restore a backup from their old N900
to their new Neo900 and the device acts exactly like user got used to.
Also we don't plan to recompile the repositories with all the
applications, and for the much needed core apps like dialer we even
can't do that since they are closed. However you're free to run any
distro you like on GTA04 and GTA04-N900 aka Neo900, just the maemo
community fremantle porting task force will not bother about rebasing
on debian or whatever, the goals of that task force are clearly defined.

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-28 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Wed 28 August 2013 22:21:18 Norayr Chilingarian wrote:
[...]
 Also, I believe many apps like GPS apps which use liblocation won't
 work, because liblocation is proprietary, and needs to be rewritten with
 the same interface. 

GolDeliCo won't ship the Neo900 with maemo pre-installed. We got (or will 
have) a fremantle porting task force at maemo community that does the porting, 
provides installable rootfs, and explains how to install and use the closed 
blobs like liblocation. Nokia donated maemo to community, and we had the 
permission from Nokia to re-use and even re-distribute the blobs since years 
already.

While rewriting blobs is a long term minor goal of CSSU [1], we won't do a 
complete rewrite of every closed blob for Neo900 fremantle-port. Actually if 
we did, we could use any arbitrary hardware ülatform and just recompile the 
completely liberated fremantle for it. We wouldn't need a GTA04-N900 that's 
close to the original N900 hw-wise. The idea of GTA04-N900 is to reduce the 
hw-diffs to an amount that can get handled in kernel/drivers by patching them. 
You probably know that kernel and kernel driver modules are FOSS in maemo.

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-28 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:14 AM, joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote:
 While rewriting blobs is a long term minor goal of CSSU [1], we won't do a
 complete rewrite of every closed blob for Neo900 fremantle-port. Actually if
 we did, we could use any arbitrary hardware ülatform and just recompile the
 completely liberated fremantle for it. We wouldn't need a GTA04-N900 that's
 close to the original N900 hw-wise. The idea of GTA04-N900 is to reduce the
 hw-diffs to an amount that can get handled in kernel/drivers by patching them.
 You probably know that kernel and kernel driver modules are FOSS in maemo.

Yeah, Neo900 won't be associated with any specific operating system.
SHR, QtMoko or anything else that works now on GTA04 should be very
easy, if not trivial, to run on Neo900. For this community, Neo900 is
just a upgraded GTA04 in different case (well, it might be that Neo900
will cause upgrade of GTA04 itself, so it will be rather something
like variant of GTA04 rather than upgrade to it).

But there's one reason why we need Fremantle Porting Task Force -
demand. Maemo community waited for N900 successor for so long, and
with such low demand as we're struggling with those devices, every
single willing buyer helps us a lot. Also, this is not Nokia-owned OS
anymore - community owns it and effort to ditch closed blobs and
switch to free replacements is ongoing, as Joerg pointed out. There
are also some initiatives for rebasing Fremantle on top of current
Debian and to stay as close to upstream as possible.

Those efforts slowly die together with N900. When there are less and
less developers, the goal of Freemantle is more and more away.
Neo900 is meant to resurrect this community as soon as possible. While
joining Freemantle effort into Neo900 project would mean inevitable
failure (not enough manpower, people being disappointed due to
unstable software etc.), giving Maemo community something pretty much
rock-solid as a good base for future work (even with still with some
closed parts) might be better idea for our long term goals.

It might be that reimplementing some OS part will be easier than
adding some compatibility layer in kernel. In such cases, Freemantle
will even benefit directly from porting task force work.

And still, if you're not interested in Fremantle, just ignore it.
There are people who are - they will generate some demand, so we'll be
able to get bigger production runs, so everyone will be happier.
Nevertheless, Neo900 will stay true to everything that GTA04
represents right now. It will just get new form factor to attract
different people.

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-27 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 26.08.2013 um 16:24 schrieb Tomas Nackaerts:

 Hi all!
 
 I actually think this is a great idea! I always liked the N900 formfactor. 
 But 
 is it technically possible? I remember somebody mention that the option modem 
 is quite big?

Yes, but it is the flattest one we could get. And from the photos of the N900 
board I have
seen they even need more space for the separate modem chips.


 And if there will be a redesign the fit the gta04 to the n900 
 will it possible to update the specs a bit? faster cpu and stuff like that?

Faster CPU: yes - the idea is to use the 1GHz DM3730 which is 25-30% faster
(at least at peak performance - if clock is reduced to 200MHz it is also slow).

 But to be honest, i will probably not buy this device if it has the same 
 problems the current gta04 has. (power usage and modem enumeration)

Well, we can't say if it will have the same problems - and even if the problems
if the GTA04 are really problems or just lack of a solution.

And, I must warn a little - a Neo900 design may have other problems
we will only see if it has been built and tested by hundredts of users.


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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-27 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 26.08.2013 um 14:35 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:

 Hello!
 
 Short introduction, as I was rather inactive in this community
 recently: I'm dos, long time Openmoko supporter, owner of GTA02 and
 (now broken) Nokia N900. Few years ago I was quite an active developer
 of FSO (opimd) and SHR. Few days ago I've created website draft for
 GTA04.
 
 As we all know, GTA04 project has few non-technical problems. Poor
 demand is one of them, poor availability of parts is the second one.
 Those two problems together are pretty much show stoppers, cause if we
 fix one, the second one becomes harder.
 
 But Joerg Reisenweber came up with brilliant idea of adapting GTA04
 board into N900 case. Why?
 - second source N900 housings are very cheap and available on eBay in
 big quantities - problem with very small amount of Openmoko cases
 solved
 - there are still new spare parts floating around on free market
 
 But using N900 gives us more:
 - GTA04 with physical keyboard!
 - screen that doesn't appear to be off in full sunlight
 - it seems that while some people like Openmoko case (I do), most
 rather think it's nice idea, but I wouldn't show up anywhere with
 such a brick :( N900 case seems to be more commonly accepted by
 public ;)
 
 Wait, there's even more!
 - if done right, we can engage Maemo community and increase the demand a lot!
 
 There are LOTS of broken N900s in possession of Maemo community
 members due to problems with faulty USB connector and GSM modem. Many
 of them (owners ;)) are waiting for proper N900 successor that never
 came (N9 is not, and Nokia is not interested in platform anymore at
 all).
 
 This might be great time to merge efforts from Openmoko/OpenPhoenux
 and Maemo communities. Neo900 project can benefit from both of them -
 there will be QtMoko/SHR/Replicant on the one side (it's just modified
 GTA04, so running all of them should be very easy), and there will be
 Maemo, Meego and maybe more porting initiatives on the other side.
 Joerg's idea includes full port of Maemo 5 (Fremantle) to allow N900
 users to have drop-in upgrade - just like now GTA04 is for GTA01/02
 owners. I think that can increase interest a lot!
 
 For now we named it Neo900 - making nods to both N900 and Openmoko roots :)
 
 I'm super excited about this idea, and it seems that I'm not the only one:
 Look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142
 
 You can also read logs from #maemo from yesterday and today:
 https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-08-25.log.html
 https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-08-26.log.html
 
 It seems there is some interest, and that's just on Maemo side :)
 
 What do you think?

Very good idea. If we can use the same basic design both, the GTA04 and
the Neo900 could have many common components. And adding the
number of chips bought of one type will help to reduce the purchase
price of both. So trying to merg this is to the benefit of both.

BR,
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Re: [Gta04-owner] Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone

2013-08-26 Thread Radek Polak
On Monday, August 26, 2013 01:17:09 PM Radek Polak wrote:

  To give you a simple example: on N900 maemo you have scanning period in
  settings-internet, which makes device scan for WLAN APs only every 5, 10,
  ... even 30 min. This is needed since the WLAN chip cuts thru the battery
  in less than 3 hours when you constantly scan for APs. Clearly a userland
  issue where kernel can't do much. Now you can start to blame kernel WLAN
  driver for not doing proper powersaving but that won't help establish a
  decently working usable OS on N900.
 
 I think in case of QtMoko on GTA04 we can blame kernel/HW a little bit
 more, since we are using suspend to RAM whereas N900 is always on (which
 really cool btw). So while GTA04 is in standby there should be idealy just
 PMU+RAM+modem turned on, everything else should be off. But something is
 wrong and noone has yet figured what it is. At best there is ~16mA with
 omap enable_off_mode - but then we hit imprecise external abort bug so
 currently we have ~22mA at best. If you compare this with GTA02 or N900
 it's really bad. GTA02 is 12mA and i'd say N900 is even better. Together
 with reenumerating modem it makes GTA04 barely usable even for a few
 hardcore supporters but unusable for normal users.

Btw you can try even with bare rootfs. E.g. Neil Brown is running very bare 
debian with just some custom made phone app, but the power consumption is the 
same - and it's quite expected because all the userspace is stopped in 
suspend.

Regards

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GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-26 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
Hello!

Short introduction, as I was rather inactive in this community
recently: I'm dos, long time Openmoko supporter, owner of GTA02 and
(now broken) Nokia N900. Few years ago I was quite an active developer
of FSO (opimd) and SHR. Few days ago I've created website draft for
GTA04.

As we all know, GTA04 project has few non-technical problems. Poor
demand is one of them, poor availability of parts is the second one.
Those two problems together are pretty much show stoppers, cause if we
fix one, the second one becomes harder.

But Joerg Reisenweber came up with brilliant idea of adapting GTA04
board into N900 case. Why?
- second source N900 housings are very cheap and available on eBay in
big quantities - problem with very small amount of Openmoko cases
solved
- there are still new spare parts floating around on free market

But using N900 gives us more:
- GTA04 with physical keyboard!
- screen that doesn't appear to be off in full sunlight
- it seems that while some people like Openmoko case (I do), most
rather think it's nice idea, but I wouldn't show up anywhere with
such a brick :( N900 case seems to be more commonly accepted by
public ;)

Wait, there's even more!
- if done right, we can engage Maemo community and increase the demand a lot!

There are LOTS of broken N900s in possession of Maemo community
members due to problems with faulty USB connector and GSM modem. Many
of them (owners ;)) are waiting for proper N900 successor that never
came (N9 is not, and Nokia is not interested in platform anymore at
all).

This might be great time to merge efforts from Openmoko/OpenPhoenux
and Maemo communities. Neo900 project can benefit from both of them -
there will be QtMoko/SHR/Replicant on the one side (it's just modified
GTA04, so running all of them should be very easy), and there will be
Maemo, Meego and maybe more porting initiatives on the other side.
Joerg's idea includes full port of Maemo 5 (Fremantle) to allow N900
users to have drop-in upgrade - just like now GTA04 is for GTA01/02
owners. I think that can increase interest a lot!

For now we named it Neo900 - making nods to both N900 and Openmoko roots :)

I'm super excited about this idea, and it seems that I'm not the only one:
Look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142

You can also read logs from #maemo from yesterday and today:
https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-08-25.log.html
https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-08-26.log.html

It seems there is some interest, and that's just on Maemo side :)

What do you think?

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-26 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut]
 What do you think?
Hello Dos,
I think it is  great showcase how open projects can benefit from
synergy.
However I personally am not interested in HW keyboard and I will wait
until my present phone wears off, before I buy next device.

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-26 Thread Tomas Nackaerts
Hi all!

I actually think this is a great idea! I always liked the N900 formfactor. But 
is it technically possible? I remember somebody mention that the option modem 
is quite big? And if there will be a redesign the fit the gta04 to the n900 
will it possible to update the specs a bit? faster cpu and stuff like that?

But to be honest, i will probably not buy this device if it has the same 
problems the current gta04 has. (power usage and modem enumeration)
and also i don't want to pay 600+ for a smartphone. But i hope if this idea 
takes of and there is enough interest the price will be much lower. 


greetings,

tomas






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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-26 Thread arne anka
the most striking part of jörg's n900 idea seems not to attract any  
comments -- he said, he'd know at least one company who would be  
interested.
being interested does not necessarily translate into will buy, but at  
least it would be worth to contemplate ...


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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-26 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Mon 26 August 2013 21:47:08 arne anka wrote:
 the most striking part of jörg's n900 idea seems not to attract any
 comments -- he said, he'd know at least one company who would be
 interested.

Oh? where did I say this? Been a communication error. Or a complete storage 
dropout ;-)  Sorry both happens to me sometimes, so I'd really be interested 
in a pointer or citation.

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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-26 Thread arne anka
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:25:06 +0200, joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org  
wrote:



On Mon 26 August 2013 21:47:08 arne anka wrote:

the most striking part of jörg's n900 idea seems not to attract any
comments -- he said, he'd know at least one company who would be
interested.


Oh? where did I say this? Been a communication error. Or a complete  
storage
dropout ;-)  Sorry both happens to me sometimes, so I'd really be  
interested

in a pointer or citation.

cheers
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know for sure there's a (comparatively) huge community

but when cp'ing it i discovered that i had read company instead of  
community. darn ...


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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-26 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Mon 26 August 2013 14:35:50 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
[...]
 Joerg's idea includes full port of Maemo 5 (Fremantle) to allow N900
 users to have drop-in upgrade - just like now GTA04 is for GTA01/02
 owners. I think that can increase interest a lot!

Indeed I consider maemo fremantle compatibility a key feature of this project, 
since fremantle is proven on OMAP3 platform, both for power management and 
general every day usability. And userbase at maemo mostly expects 
compatibility.
We (would) need to adapt GTA04 to mach resp resemble N900 enough so that all 
remaining differences can get handled on kernel/driver level.
On an encouraging sidenote, we have already at least 2 volunteers for doing 
that kernel morphing, one of them even a ex-nokian kernel maintainer \o/

There are still some _severe_ issues that need to get evaluated/tackled ASAP:
*) instabilities/issues reported for GTA04, with power management and modem
**) USB / musb core in OMAP which is a greedy hog as long as powered.
*) camera (N900 has 5MP with autofocus)
*) N900 has 32GB eMMC
*) interfacing the flex circuit board (aka ribbon cable) connection to  to 
screen half, that also has ALS, secondary (VGA?) camera, proxy sensor, 3color 
LED
*) component sourcing for speakers, antennae, et al
*) completely different charging (N900 uses bq24150)
*) AV-connector with auto-detection of headphones, headset, AV (maybe simply 
replace that in userland by a requester to pick type of cable/connection
*) audio at large, N900 has a quite different circuitry for whole audio, and 
fremantle has some nasty PA modules, some of them even closed blobs (XPROT 
speaker protection, some limiter/compressor/EQ/overtemp-cutout)

*)... I'm afraid there's more to come, that I don't see right now

Anyway, the general mood is best described by extremely excited and it seems 
it's maybe worth following this idea some further, even with the above points 
pending to get solved.

See http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142

I hope I didn't state anything that Nikolaus will bash me for when tomorrow he 
reads all the stuff that happened.

The poll I added on that ^^^ thread on tmo however shows that 7/8 of users are 
expecting us to compete with Samsung for the price range. Well, that been 
expected. The resulting discussion is maybe helpful nevertheless.


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Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900

2013-08-26 Thread Norayr Chilingarian
I would say, maemo fremantle is great.
if we could manage to make it free, i. e. rewrite it's non-free parts,
and make it available on more platforms, like nexus, it'll be great.
having free hardware in n900 case it good too.
but first of all let's get working free, indeed free maemo. not the
proprietary one that could be flashed from nokia images.
but the one which is possible to port to different devices. so may be
someone does not like n900 and want to use it on n9 or nexus. or
whatever phone he has.
I like SHR for that reason - there are at least a couple of platforms
supported.

08/27/13 12:57 -???, joerg Reisenweber-?  ?:
 On Mon 26 August 2013 14:35:50 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
 [...]
 Joerg's idea includes full port of Maemo 5 (Fremantle) to allow N900
 users to have drop-in upgrade - just like now GTA04 is for GTA01/02
 owners. I think that can increase interest a lot!
 Indeed I consider maemo fremantle compatibility a key feature of this 
 project, 
 since fremantle is proven on OMAP3 platform, both for power management and 
 general every day usability. And userbase at maemo mostly expects 
 compatibility.
 We (would) need to adapt GTA04 to mach resp resemble N900 enough so that all 
 remaining differences can get handled on kernel/driver level.
 On an encouraging sidenote, we have already at least 2 volunteers for doing 
 that kernel morphing, one of them even a ex-nokian kernel maintainer \o/

 There are still some _severe_ issues that need to get evaluated/tackled ASAP:
 *) instabilities/issues reported for GTA04, with power management and modem
 **) USB / musb core in OMAP which is a greedy hog as long as powered.
 *) camera (N900 has 5MP with autofocus)
 *) N900 has 32GB eMMC
 *) interfacing the flex circuit board (aka ribbon cable) connection to  to 
 screen half, that also has ALS, secondary (VGA?) camera, proxy sensor, 3color 
 LED
 *) component sourcing for speakers, antennae, et al
 *) completely different charging (N900 uses bq24150)
 *) AV-connector with auto-detection of headphones, headset, AV (maybe simply 
 replace that in userland by a requester to pick type of cable/connection
 *) audio at large, N900 has a quite different circuitry for whole audio, and 
 fremantle has some nasty PA modules, some of them even closed blobs (XPROT 
 speaker protection, some limiter/compressor/EQ/overtemp-cutout)

 *)... I'm afraid there's more to come, that I don't see right now

 Anyway, the general mood is best described by extremely excited and it 
 seems 
 it's maybe worth following this idea some further, even with the above points 
 pending to get solved.

 See http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142

 I hope I didn't state anything that Nikolaus will bash me for when tomorrow 
 he 
 reads all the stuff that happened.

 The poll I added on that ^^^ thread on tmo however shows that 7/8 of users 
 are 
 expecting us to compete with Samsung for the price range. Well, that been 
 expected. The resulting discussion is maybe helpful nevertheless.


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Re: Going outside - GTA04 website

2013-08-25 Thread Adolf Winterer

Hi everyone,

yes, we need to broaden the base. The more people know of this project, 
the more likely it will be that units get ordered.

(Still) being an extreme niche product it is important to use contacts 
that can be expected to be aware of the need for freedom of hard- and 
software.

Therefore I suggest that once the web site is up and running contact is 
made with organizations like FSFE [1],  EFF [2], FoeBuD [3] or CCC [4]. 
Especially FSFE with their free your android campaign [5] are aware of 
the openness issues. The idea is to ask for links from their pages back 
to our site.

Links:
1 http://fsfe.org/
2 https://www.eff.org/
3 https://www.foebud.org/
4 http://www.ccc.de/
5 https://fsfe.org/campaigns/android/

Additionally the phone needs to be available as a complete unit, at the 
very least, optionally. It does not help to have a naked board if you 
want to use the phone for everyday use. Think of the Raspberry Pi: You 
can order the naked board, but also have it with a case.

In my opinion it is still a bit early to try getting it to the 
mainstream media. It would create false hopes or expectations and cause 
negative reports.

Kind Regards,
Adolf

P.S.: I have been following the project from the very beginning with 
OpenMoko (FIC) through all highs and lows until now. I'd like to have a 
unit, but it definitely needs to be a complete unit suitable for 
everyday use. Throughout all the time I have never seen that this stage 
has been reached (PCB, GPS, discharging batteries, power management 
issues ...). Therefore I'm still waiting patiently.


Am Samstag, 24. August 2013, 18:11:59 schrieb Lukas Märdian:
 Am 24.08.2013 17:36, schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
  I've also created quick draft by myself:
  http://dosowisko.net/gta04/

This is really neat! Thank you for your effort.

 Hi Sebastian,
 
 just three words: This looks awesome!
 
 I think About and Features should be linked to some overview
 information/specs in the same page design, whereas Documentation
 should link to the GTA04 User Manual
 (http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/Manual/) and For
 developers should link to the GTA04 wiki
 (http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/).
 
 This way people can get attracted by a nice looking, modern Homepage
 and get a rough overview of what we want to supply and interested
 people can dig deeper into the (really great) User Manual or search
 the wiki for special topics.
 
 Regards,
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Re: Going outside - GTA04 website

2013-08-25 Thread Lukas Märdian
Am 25.08.2013 14:40, schrieb Adolf Winterer:
 Therefore I suggest that once the web site is up and running contact is 
 made with organizations like FSFE [1],  EFF [2], FoeBuD [3] or CCC [4]. 
 Especially FSFE with their free your android campaign [5] are aware of 
 the openness issues. The idea is to ask for links from their pages back 
 to our site.

Yes this is a good idea. I've already talked to the free your android
guys from FSFE at the last LinuxTag in Berlin and they seemed to be
interested in our project (whereas for the US FSF, trying to be as free
as possible is not free enough).

Later on they actually placed a link from their Free your Android
campaign to the GTA04 project:
  https://fsfe.org/campaigns/android/

Regards,
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Re: Going outside - GTA04 website

2013-08-25 Thread urodelo

+1

On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 01:15:34 +0200, Adrien Dorsaz adr...@adorsaz.ch  
wrote:



Great job for your website !

I think, it could be good too to have a different page on GD shop for
the wish lists : https://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04

The actual page has a lot of informations which can be found in the
GTA04 documentation already pointed by the new website proposal.

So I want to suggest to point the new website on a similar shop web
page, but one without so much informations and with the four wish lists
(GTA04, CaseKit, Camera, Battery). The actual informations could be
replaced by links on the gta04 wiki to give a better view of the wish
lists.

I understand that to sell some product it's important to clearly explain
what is inside the product, that's why I want to keep actual page for
the shop and I suggest to add another one simplified for the wish list.

So, with two different page, we can modify actual new web site
interested box by having two links :
  * I want one ! : link to the actual detailed page
  * Show your interest ! : link to the wish lists page

Regards,
Adrien

PS : on both web page, they'll be the same wish list, the new one will
be to just simplify the access to the wish lists.




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Re: Releasing GTA04 hardware source files (was: community Digest, Vol 353, Issue 3)

2013-08-24 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Bob,

Am 24.08.2013 um 02:10 schrieb Bob Ham:

 On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 00:20 +0200, joerg Reisenweber wrote:
 
 Can't you finally come up with some *suggestions* or - even 
 better - real actions that would help?
 
 At present the community is beholden to a particular company which
 produces something the community depends on.  

No, the community does not depend on it. There is a company that feels
itself a member of this community and has developed an offer everyone can
accept or decline.

 That company has a
 monopoly on production within the community.

No.

  It does not share the
 source files for its work and does not allow others to contribute to
 designs.

Yes. This is no difference to Openmoko, Inc. did since 2007.

 This is the same situation as a community that is beholden to a company
 producing proprietary software.

No.

  The GTA04 is like proprietary hardware.

No.

For proprietary hardware you have no schematics, no clear identification of
the components, some custom made components without any information,
and no documentation which GPIO is doing what.

 We have schematics in a .pdf file but nothing else.  

Yes. And the PDF is the source. You can run OCR and convert it into any
format you like. And modify it as you like. What else do you expect? More
convenience?

The Schematics and the component placement chart of the GTA02 - both
as a printable PDF - were sufficient to design the GTA04 board... So it is not
lack of information if nobody is picking up the GTA04 design...

 There is no shared
 repository containing the source files for the schematics or the PCB
 designs.  Nobody can commit design fixes.  

Is this a requirement for FLOSS that you can commit anything directly to the
original repository? Do you have commit access to the master branch of
kernel.org?

Anyways, you can make change proposals and there are others who
sign off and accept your patches into the master if they fit into the
project goal and fit to some design style and rules.

So if you want something to be changed, please write me an e-mail (in
natural language) with your patches. Or propose it here on this list.

 The community is not
 iterating the GTA04 design.  The community is not working together to
 create a free phone.  Instead, all we do is discuss and argue about one
 company's product.

The community can help much better in other areas, e.g. marketing, spreading
the word, software, etc. because high density PCB design needs a very specific
type of knowledge that isn't widely available. And, the PCB must be 100% correct
or even 100.00%. so it is better to have a very small team.

 A lot of people have come up with various ideas for modifications to the
 GTA04.  Some of them simply require some soldering which is no problem.
 However, some require a redesign of the board.  To my recollection,
 nobody has ever pointed out that this isn't possible unless Golden
 Delicious do it.  The fact that only Golden Delicious can do it is bad.

No. Because you can do it as well.

You can start to learn how to design PCBs, aquire some PCB design tool,
capture or convert the schematics, and make your own layout. Then, find
someone who does production for you.

 
 Despite describing the GTA04 as Open Hardware¹ and stating that the
 aims of the community are for DIY hardware², Golden Delicious does not
 release any source files for the hardware it produces.  There is no
 community of hardware hackers contributing to shared PCB designs.

Because designing such a difficile and miniaturized device is more challenging
than the average hardware hacker is capable to do.

 I suggest that the community changes from consuming hardware designed
 and built by a single controlling entity to producing one or more Open
 Source Hardware³ phone designs which can be taken as a base, modified
 and manufactured by any party.  For example, a board design could be
 used in the same fashion as the GTA04, as a replacement for GTA01/02
 boards but could also be modified by the N900 community to provide an
 updated board for their phone.

It is possible to design a board for that by the procedure descibed above.

 I suggest that Golden Delicious release the source files for the GTA04
 board in order to assist this effort and act as a base for the first
 community phone design.

Essentially you are mixing openness and modifiability of source and
compiled binary.

The source in such a hardware project is the schematics (which is
open for the GTA04) and the compiled result is the PCB (which is
not easily modifiable, even with proper tools).

It is like you are asking an open source project to publish compiled
binaries, before you call it open source. IMHO this is only convenience.

Finally some more technical aspect: it is not easy to just modify the
PCB to fit into an N900 case. You more or less have to redo the whole
PCB layout process (i.e. the compilation), although the Schematics can
be almost the same. So you virtually want to change

Re: Releasing GTA04 hardware source files (was: community Digest, Vol 353, Issue 3)

2013-08-24 Thread Bob Ham
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 11:21 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
 Am 24.08.2013 um 02:10 schrieb Bob Ham:

  We have schematics in a .pdf file but nothing else.  
 
 Yes. And the PDF is the source.

I don't believe this is the case.  I believe the PDF was compiled from
designs that came from other files.  I don't believe your circuit
designs were written in the PDF language.  If they came from other
files, the PDF is not the source, the other files are the source.


 You can run OCR and convert it into any
 format you like. And modify it as you like. What else do you expect? More
 convenience?

It's not so much about convenience.  Let me quote the GPL 2:

The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for
making modifications to it.

There is a reason for stipulating this.  Having to convert a work into a
format suitable for making modifications represents a barrier.  It's a
barrier to freedom.  It can be abused.

Even disregarding this reasoning, let's assume that it *is* just about
convenience.  Why is that bad?  Why would you not want to help people
take the GTA04 design and create a derivative?  Why would you want to
make it more difficult?  Why are you reluctant to release the source
files?


 high density PCB design needs a very specific
 type of knowledge that isn't widely available.

The specialisation of the knowledge required to work on phone designs
means that those with the knowledge will likely have high demands on
their time.  That means that one should aim to make it as easy as
possible for them to get involved in the community.  That means removing
barriers like having to create new PCB designs from the PDF schematics.
That means releasing the source files for the existing designs.


  Despite describing the GTA04 as Open Hardware¹ and stating that the
  aims of the community are for DIY hardware², Golden Delicious does not
  release any source files for the hardware it produces.  There is no
  community of hardware hackers contributing to shared PCB designs.
 
 Because designing such a difficile and miniaturized device is more challenging
 than the average hardware hacker is capable to do.

So let's foster a community of above-average hardware hackers who are up
to the challenge.  Golden Delicious can help foster such a community by
making the source files for the GTA04 available.

-- 
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net

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Re: Releasing GTA04 hardware source files (was: community Digest, Vol 353, Issue 3)

2013-08-24 Thread Norayr Chilingarian
Excuse me very much, I don't mean to offend anyone, I actually care 
about project a lot.

I really appreciate the project and I would like to have a gta04 based device, 
probably tablet. It's just too expensive for me now.

Recently I became a lucky owner of a freerunner, got one used, and 
need to tell, that I had a lot of problems both under SHR and QtMoko.

I believe it's solvable.
Unfortunately the device is not very useful because I cannot get stable 
connection to the internet to run pidgin, due to power management probably, also in 
recent SHR releases most of the time sim card don't get recognized.  And I 
feel that n810 as mobile computer is more useable. That's why I would like 
to find a used openpandora, because it's open, and it's mobile computer. I 
don't need a phone, if I have jabber with ssl connection.


Anyway, I just want to add, that indeed, if one needs to OCR a pdf, then 
it's more like reverse engineering, rather than source. It's of course 
arguable, but I don't see why don't share the actual source files? Why?


On Sat, 24 Aug 2013, Bob Ham wrote:


On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 11:21 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

Am 24.08.2013 um 02:10 schrieb Bob Ham:



We have schematics in a .pdf file but nothing else.


Yes. And the PDF is the source.


I don't believe this is the case.  I believe the PDF was compiled from
designs that came from other files.  I don't believe your circuit
designs were written in the PDF language.  If they came from other
files, the PDF is not the source, the other files are the source.



You can run OCR and convert it into any
format you like. And modify it as you like. What else do you expect? More
convenience?


It's not so much about convenience.  Let me quote the GPL 2:

The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for
making modifications to it.



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Re: Releasing GTA04 hardware source files (was: community Digest, Vol 353, Issue 3)

2013-08-24 Thread Bob Ham
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 11:26 +, Bob Ham wrote:

 Even disregarding this reasoning, let's assume that it *is* just about
 convenience.  Why is that bad?  Why would you not want to help people
 take the GTA04 design and create a derivative?  Why would you want to
 make it more difficult?

I answered your questions about why I am taking part in this discussion.
I would appreciate it if you would answer my questions about helping
others create derivatives of the GTA04.

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Going outside - GTA04 website

2013-08-24 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
Hello, community!

I'd like to start discussion about how we communicate our presence to
the external world. Recent threads showed that there's some need to
think about it.

I know this community consists rather of smart, technical geeks who
don't want to lower themselves into stinky marketing world. I truly
understand that :)

But unfortunately, we need money and it's now clear that this small
community is not enough to get each of our dreams to come true.

I'd like to start this discussion with GTA04 website. While I
appreciate current webpage for being very informative for someone who
already know what's going on in this project, I think it sucks as our
business card.

When this page is the first thing someone new sees about GTA04, he or
she we'll be confused and probably won't understand a lot. Even if
he/she is not our target, it's bad, because if she/he has at least
some impression about what this project is about, he/she can recommend
it to some geeky friend or use it as some small talk topic.

On the other hand, we cannot oversimplify our page. We were always
targeting to people with some technical background, who generally
prefer to get straight to the point instead of going through tons of
advertising eye-candy bullshit.

I've seen website proposition from Slyon: http://slyon.de/gta04/index.old.php
I've also created quick draft by myself: http://dosowisko.net/gta04/
And of course there's the current one: http://gta04.org/

I'd like all of you to point out good and bad parts of each of them,
so maybe we'll be able to create something that's rock solid for our
needs.

Keep in mind that my proposition is just a quick draft, it even uses
default Bootstrap theme which we probably would like to adjust a bit
to our needs (branding colors, some mentions about Golden Delicious
and stuff like that). Content is not final too - there are probably
some grammar errors and maybe even some misinformation (I wasn't
really active in community for some time recently, so it's possible
that I missed something). Maybe some things aren't even worth
mentioning and there should be something else instead - go on with
suggestions, it's nowhere near final now.

And well, maybe even we'll decide that there's no point in trying to
get more people into GTA04 now. Maybe redesigning it to fit N900 case
will get popular in the community and it'll be better idea to start
campaign together with this new phone. Or some other idea will
come up.

I trust this community. I'm still using my Freerunner, but
unfortunately I'm more and more tired with it. I decided to start
saving for some new phone and I want it to be OpenPhoenux device, be
it GTA04 or anything new. Please, don't let this awesome project die!
I'm still convinced that we can succeed. Would you like to try helping
me help you help us all? :)

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos
http://dosowisko.net/

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Re: Going outside - GTA04 website

2013-08-24 Thread Lukas Märdian
Am 24.08.2013 17:36, schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
 I've also created quick draft by myself: http://dosowisko.net/gta04/

Hi Sebastian,

just three words: This looks awesome!

I think About and Features should be linked to some overview
information/specs in the same page design, whereas Documentation
should link to the GTA04 User Manual
(http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/Manual/) and For
developers should link to the GTA04 wiki
(http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/).

This way people can get attracted by a nice looking, modern Homepage and
get a rough overview of what we want to supply and interested people can
dig deeper into the (really great) User Manual or search the wiki for
special topics.

Regards,
  Lukas



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Re: Going outside - GTA04 website

2013-08-24 Thread Nick
Hi Sebastian,

Just a quick reply as I must dash.

Your draft design looks great, I really like it.

I'm not sure about the text about ethics of manufacturing - while it 
is assembled in Germany, the components are sourced from factories 
with potentially similar working conditions to other phones, they 
use materials that are sourced in horrible ways and conditions, and 
so on.

There has been some discussion here in the past about how we as a 
community absolutely don't have the leverage with suppliers (at 
least unless we were to grow a lot), so unfortunately I don't think 
this can change soon.

But this does look great - good work!

Nick

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