Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
On Fri 23 February 2018 12:58:12 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > AFAIK git automatically adds a git: prefix if you say > > git clone g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git still looks like s':'/' I.e.: g...@github.com/goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git -- () ascii ribbon campaign /\ against html e-mail - against proprietary attachments http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
On 23/02/18 11:58, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 23.02.2018 um 12:52 schrieb joerg Reisenweber : On Fri 23 February 2018 12:43:08 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the "URL" section as g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git which is a verbatim quote and AIUI no correctly formed URL AFAIK git automatically adds a git: prefix if you say git clone g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git The git@ URL will only work for people who have write access to that repo. The https:// URL should work for everyone (for reading/cloning). Neil BR, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
wow, going to start it. (: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi, Am 23.02.2018 um 12:28 schrieb Norayr Chilingarian : I would prefer it to be on github. Though usually I am the one who supports decentralization, but here are some arguments: * github is a public place, where it is much more probable that your project can be discovered by the people who potentially can get involved, even if they did not know about the project before. (many different ways - accidentally, or by following your friends' "likes", or by search, or by other means) * github stimulates people to fork/make pull requests, this work is public, and it increases people's social status, when they contribute to the project on the public place, where it is noticeable by their community. On the contrary, by keeping the separate, even public git tree, the chances to be discovored and contributed to are much lower. Your wish is already fulfilled... It is also (mirrored) on github: https://github.com/goldelico/gta04-qtmoko And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the "URL" section as g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git Hope this helps. BR, Nikolaus On Fri, 23 Feb 2018, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Sent again due to 40k message limit on this list... Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: Von: "H. Nikolaus Schaller" Betreff: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :) Datum: 21. Februar 2018 um 20:53:12 MEZ An: Tinkerphones Community , List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Kopie: List for Openmoko community discussion Antwort an: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Hi,I am happy to announce that after years of abandonment and obsolescence, QtMoko is back in maintained mode. After several failed attempts, we now have a git tree and a build system where we can apply modifications and accept patches. And we need testers :) Currently, we have a Wheezy and a Jessie based (different git branches) and both run on the GTA04(A3, A4, A5) with latest Letux kernels. Basically QtMoko also starts and runs on the Pyra, but there is nothing to see on the display yet. It simply remains black... Here are the key resources: Project Home: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/ - also for reporting issues Git: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=heads Downloads: http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/?C=M;O=D - look for *-qtmoko.tbz Install on µSD: DEV=/dev/sdb ./makesd qtmoko - to install a Jessie based system Letux-Debian: apt-get install letux-qtmoko - to install if you have installed a different Letux system Here are screen photos of QtMoko/Jessie/Kernel-4.15.2 running on a GTA04: Some things are not yet working and missing and some Apps crash after starting, but we are just at the beginning to be able to fix things. Of course our little team can't do all that alone. We need you and the broader community to help with coding, testing or simply donations if you appreciate our effort: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Product&product=9607 BR and thanks, Nikolaus ___ Gta04-owner mailing list gta04-ow...@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Community mailing list commun...@tinkerphones.org http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community http://www.tinkerphones.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
> Am 23.02.2018 um 12:52 schrieb joerg Reisenweber : > > On Fri 23 February 2018 12:43:08 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the >> "URL" section as >> >>g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git > > which is a verbatim quote and AIUI no correctly formed URL AFAIK git automatically adds a git: prefix if you say git clone g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git BR, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
On Fri 23 February 2018 12:52:22 joerg Reisenweber wrote: > On Fri 23 February 2018 12:43:08 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the > > "URL" section as > > > > g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git > > which is a verbatim quote and AIUI no correctly formed URL > > /j OOPS sorry, I even meant to suggest https://github.com/goldelico/gta04-qtmoko -- () ascii ribbon campaign /\ against html e-mail - against proprietary attachments http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
On Fri 23 February 2018 12:43:08 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the > "URL" section as > > g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git which is a verbatim quote and AIUI no correctly formed URL /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign /\ against html e-mail - against proprietary attachments http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
Hi, > Am 23.02.2018 um 12:28 schrieb Norayr Chilingarian : > > I would prefer it to be on github. > > Though usually I am the one who supports decentralization, but here are some > arguments: > > * github is a public place, where it is much more probable that your project > can be discovered by the people who potentially can get involved, even if > they did not know about the project before. > > (many different ways - accidentally, or by following your friends' "likes", > or by search, or by other means) > > * github stimulates people to fork/make pull requests, this work is public, > and it increases people's social status, when they contribute to the project > on the public place, where it is noticeable by their community. > > On the contrary, by keeping the separate, even public git tree, the chances > to be discovored and contributed to are much lower. Your wish is already fulfilled... It is also (mirrored) on github: https://github.com/goldelico/gta04-qtmoko And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the "URL" section as g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git Hope this helps. BR, Nikolaus > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2018, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > >> Sent again due to 40k message limit on this list... >> >> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >> Von: "H. Nikolaus Schaller" >> Betreff: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :) >> Datum: 21. Februar 2018 um 20:53:12 MEZ >> An: Tinkerphones Community , List for >> communicating with real GTA04 owners >> Kopie: List for Openmoko community discussion >> >> Antwort an: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners >> >> Hi,I am happy to announce that after years of >> abandonment and obsolescence, QtMoko is back in >> maintained mode. >> After several failed attempts, we now have a git >> tree and a build system where we can apply >> modifications and accept patches. And we >> need testers :) >> Currently, we have a Wheezy and a Jessie based >> (different git branches) and both run on the >> GTA04(A3, A4, A5) with latest Letux kernels. >> Basically QtMoko also starts and runs on the Pyra, >> but there is nothing to see on the display yet. >> It simply remains black... >> Here are the key resources: >> Project Home: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/ - also for >> reporting issues >> Git: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=heads >> Downloads: http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/?C=M;O=D >> - look for *-qtmoko.tbz >> Install on µSD: DEV=/dev/sdb ./makesd qtmoko - to install a Jessie >> based system >> Letux-Debian: apt-get install letux-qtmoko - to install if you have >> installed a different Letux system >> Here are screen photos of QtMoko/Jessie/Kernel-4.15.2 >> running on a GTA04: >> >> >> Some things are not yet working and missing and >> some Apps crash after starting, but we are just at >> the beginning to be able to fix things. >> Of course our little team can't do all that alone. >> We need you and the broader community to help with >> coding, testing or simply donations if you appreciate >> our effort: >> http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Product&product=9607 >> BR and thanks, >> Nikolaus >> ___ >> Gta04-owner mailing list >> gta04-ow...@goldelico.com >> http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner > ___ > Community mailing list > commun...@tinkerphones.org > http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community > http://www.tinkerphones.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
I would prefer it to be on github. Though usually I am the one who supports decentralization, but here are some arguments: * github is a public place, where it is much more probable that your project can be discovered by the people who potentially can get involved, even if they did not know about the project before. (many different ways - accidentally, or by following your friends' "likes", or by search, or by other means) * github stimulates people to fork/make pull requests, this work is public, and it increases people's social status, when they contribute to the project on the public place, where it is noticeable by their community. On the contrary, by keeping the separate, even public git tree, the chances to be discovored and contributed to are much lower. On Fri, 23 Feb 2018, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Sent again due to 40k message limit on this list... Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: Von: "H. Nikolaus Schaller" Betreff: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :) Datum: 21. Februar 2018 um 20:53:12 MEZ An: Tinkerphones Community , List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Kopie: List for Openmoko community discussion Antwort an: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Hi,I am happy to announce that after years of abandonment and obsolescence, QtMoko is back in maintained mode. After several failed attempts, we now have a git tree and a build system where we can apply modifications and accept patches. And we need testers :) Currently, we have a Wheezy and a Jessie based (different git branches) and both run on the GTA04(A3, A4, A5) with latest Letux kernels. Basically QtMoko also starts and runs on the Pyra, but there is nothing to see on the display yet. It simply remains black... Here are the key resources: Project Home: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/ - also for reporting issues Git: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=heads Downloads: http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/?C=M;O=D - look for *-qtmoko.tbz Install on µSD: DEV=/dev/sdb ./makesd qtmoko - to install a Jessie based system Letux-Debian: apt-get install letux-qtmoko - to install if you have installed a different Letux system Here are screen photos of QtMoko/Jessie/Kernel-4.15.2 running on a GTA04: Some things are not yet working and missing and some Apps crash after starting, but we are just at the beginning to be able to fix things. Of course our little team can't do all that alone. We need you and the broader community to help with coding, testing or simply donations if you appreciate our effort: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Product&product=9607 BR and thanks, Nikolaus ___ Gta04-owner mailing list gta04-ow...@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
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Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
Sent again due to 40k message limit on this list... > Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: > > Von: "H. Nikolaus Schaller" > Betreff: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :) > Datum: 21. Februar 2018 um 20:53:12 MEZ > An: Tinkerphones Community , List for > communicating with real GTA04 owners > Kopie: List for Openmoko community discussion > Antwort an: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners > > > Hi, > I am happy to announce that after years of > abandonment and obsolescence, QtMoko is back in > maintained mode. > > After several failed attempts, we now have a git > tree and a build system where we can apply > modifications and accept patches. And we > need testers :) > > Currently, we have a Wheezy and a Jessie based > (different git branches) and both run on the > GTA04(A3, A4, A5) with latest Letux kernels. > > Basically QtMoko also starts and runs on the Pyra, > but there is nothing to see on the display yet. > It simply remains black... > > Here are the key resources: > > Project Home: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/ > <http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/> - also for reporting issues > Git: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=heads > <http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=heads> > Downloads:http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/?C=M;O=D > <http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/?C=M;O=D> - look for > *-qtmoko.tbz > Install on µSD: DEV=/dev/sdb ./makesd qtmoko - to install a Jessie > based system > Letux-Debian: apt-get install letux-qtmoko - to install if you have installed > a different Letux system > > Here are screen photos of QtMoko/Jessie/Kernel-4.15.2 > running on a GTA04: > Some things are not yet working and missing and > some Apps crash after starting, but we are just at > the beginning to be able to fix things. > > Of course our little team can't do all that alone. > We need you and the broader community to help with > coding, testing or simply donations if you appreciate > our effort: > > http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Product&product=9607 > <http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Product&product=9607> > > BR and thanks, > Nikolaus > > ___ > Gta04-owner mailing list > gta04-ow...@goldelico.com > http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 bundle for sale
Hi again,
After some discussion with others, inspection of currency exchange
rates, and further ruminations on my desire to shift the kit, I have
decided to drop the asking price to £550 plus postage, or nearest offer.
Regards,
Bob
On 2017-02-22 21:20, Bob Ham wrote:
Hi all,
I am offering a huge GTA04 bundle including a complete GTA04, a
complete Neo 1973 (GTA01) kit and a virtual treasure trove of
accessories :-) The GTA04 can run the latest 4.10 kernel[0].
Photos are here: http://settrans.net/~rah/gta04-sale/
- Golden Delicious GTA04 1GHz CPU, 1GB RAM board
- Golden Delicious GTA04 LCD module (attached to GTA04 board)
- Golden Delicious GTA04 RS232 cable
- OpenMoko Neo 1973 case, modified to fit GTA04
- OpenMoko Neo 1973 board with LCD attached (it has string around it
to keep the battery in; I'll even throw in the string for free! ;-)
- OpenMoko charger A10P1-05MP 5V 2.0A, USB mini B with swappable UK
and European plugs (bought new from Pulster.de in 2013)
- FIC GTA-01 battery (barely holds charge)
- FIC GTA-02 battery (good, bought new from Pulster.de in 2013)
- OpenMoko neoprene phone case
- OpenMoko big black plastic hacker box (this is possibly the hardest
thing to let go of; it's a really nice box :-)
- OpenMoko lanyard, unopened
- 2x GTA01 debug boards with flexible flat cables
- Bag of PCB offsets for one debug board
- 2x Glede Torx T6 screwdrivers (one brand new and unopened)
- 2x brand new USB A to USB mini B cables
- Dunlop 73 guitar pick
- Combination pen, stylus and LED light with metal case.
Unfortunately the pocket clip is loose now and doesn't stay on any
more. I can't comment on the light but the batteries are definitely
drained :-) I'll include them though, so you can find
replacements.
- Zagg Invisible Shield "OpenMoko Condom" case protector (unused)
I am looking to sell everything for £800 (GBP) plus postage or to
exchange for bitcoins. I'm open to offers though.
Kind regards,
Bob
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GTA04 bundle for sale
Hi all, I am offering a huge GTA04 bundle including a complete GTA04, a complete Neo 1973 (GTA01) kit and a virtual treasure trove of accessories :-) The GTA04 can run the latest 4.10 kernel[0]. Photos are here: http://settrans.net/~rah/gta04-sale/ - Golden Delicious GTA04 1GHz CPU, 1GB RAM board - Golden Delicious GTA04 LCD module (attached to GTA04 board) - Golden Delicious GTA04 RS232 cable - OpenMoko Neo 1973 case, modified to fit GTA04 - OpenMoko Neo 1973 board with LCD attached (it has string around it to keep the battery in; I'll even throw in the string for free! ;-) - OpenMoko charger A10P1-05MP 5V 2.0A, USB mini B with swappable UK and European plugs (bought new from Pulster.de in 2013) - FIC GTA-01 battery (barely holds charge) - FIC GTA-02 battery (good, bought new from Pulster.de in 2013) - OpenMoko neoprene phone case - OpenMoko big black plastic hacker box (this is possibly the hardest thing to let go of; it's a really nice box :-) - OpenMoko lanyard, unopened - 2x GTA01 debug boards with flexible flat cables - Bag of PCB offsets for one debug board - 2x Glede Torx T6 screwdrivers (one brand new and unopened) - 2x brand new USB A to USB mini B cables - Dunlop 73 guitar pick - Combination pen, stylus and LED light with metal case. Unfortunately the pocket clip is loose now and doesn't stay on any more. I can't comment on the light but the batteries are definitely drained :-) I'll include them though, so you can find replacements. - Zagg Invisible Shield "OpenMoko Condom" case protector (unused) I am looking to sell everything for £800 (GBP) plus postage or to exchange for bitcoins. I'm open to offers though. Kind regards, Bob [0] http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/gta04-owner/2017-February/007257.html PS, please excuse the cross-posting signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: latest Openmoko/GTA04 tinkering: wireless charger
That is awesome! Original Message From: H. Nikolaus Schaller Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2016 16:39 To: Tinkerphones Community Reply To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: latest Openmoko/GTA04 tinkering: wireless charger Hi, I spent some time to develop a Qi charger for the GTA01/02/04 devices and here its is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSdDYHx7d4 Enjoy and happy new year, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: latest Openmoko/GTA04 tinkering: wireless charger
Am 31.12.2016 um 17:30 schrieb H. Nikolaus Schaller: > Hi, > I spent some time to develop a Qi charger for the GTA01/02/04 devices > and here its is: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSdDYHx7d4 > > Enjoy and happy new year, > Nikolaus > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Cool! This is an cool feature most other phones did not offer! But I prefer an "internal" solution to preserve the USB-port. Is it possible to use this pcb to insert it to the place there the additional sensor-/ navigation- board was installed in GTA02- version? Then we can connect it with the RS232- pins, as You proposed before? The only problem left is, we need a solution for the antenna/ coil. Maybe we can use an little bit thicker back-/ battery-cover made by an 3D-printer (like an modified cover based on "slyon's")? Go on! My wishes for 2017: - lets make QtMoKo working complete with exiting hardware (incl. camera, bluetooth,) and Debian packages - maybe an Replicant with complete support - 2018: GTA06 (complete new hardware, to get rid of limitations like obsolete hardware..) with sunlight-readable display, new LTE/GSM-hw, Qi-receiver, .. Happy new year for all "Moko"'er's -- Kind regards Sebastian Reinhardt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Tinkerphones] latest Openmoko/GTA04 tinkering: wireless charger
On zaterdag 31 december 2016 17:30:57 CET H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > I spent some time to develop a Qi charger for the GTA01/02/04 devices > and here its is: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSdDYHx7d4 Thank you for making the video, it is always nice to see the lights blink :-) > Enjoy and happy new year, Happy new year everyone! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
latest Openmoko/GTA04 tinkering: wireless charger
Hi, I spent some time to develop a Qi charger for the GTA01/02/04 devices and here its is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSdDYHx7d4 Enjoy and happy new year, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
1st notice: Letux/GTA04 Kernel- and Userspace-Hacking weekend
Hi all, we (OpenPhoenux community Munich) are organizing a kernel- and user-space hacking weekend to improve the Letux/GTA04 kernel and to make progress on matching QtMoko with newer kernels and latest Debian. This workshop is planned to have two groups: a) Kernel - to work on the known (and new) issues [1], mainly power management, but also others (e.g. Camera, Audio for GSM/FM/Bluetooth). The idea is to close as many issues as possible. b) QtMoko [2] - update the basis to Debian Jessie, make it compile, add fixes so that we can use the latest kernels, make new packages. The workshop location will be in Munich (Germany) area (details to be defined). Date is also to be defined so that it fits for the participants, but the target is some Saturday+Sunday in spring 2016. We have a budget to support travel expenses. Participation will be limited in the total number of people. I think a good group size will be ca. 5 developers each. More is not productive and less is not enough breadth of different experience. If you think you can and want to participate and actively contribute, please apply by a short mail to me, telling what you want to do and which expertise you have and if you need support with travel expenses. If you don't, but know somebody who could be interested and helpful, please forward this e-mail. Let's hope this helps to bring our community forward and fix some issues we want to see solved for a long time. BR and thanks, Nikolaus [1]: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/issues/ [2]: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gta04 on wikipedia
Also added Android-on-Freerunner in the process. Niels On 01/31/2016 01:07 PM, Christ van Willegen wrote: > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Ed Kapitein wrote: >> Wikipedia [1] has the gta04 marked as cancelled, perhaps someone can bring >> that page up to date? >> >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones > Better this way? > > Christ van Willegen Much better! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gta04 on wikipedia
On 01/31/2016 01:07 PM, Christ van Willegen wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Ed Kapitein wrote: Wikipedia [1] has the gta04 marked as cancelled, perhaps someone can bring that page up to date? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones Better this way? Christ van Willegen Much better! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gta04 on wikipedia
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Ed Kapitein wrote: > Wikipedia [1] has the gta04 marked as cancelled, perhaps someone can bring > that page up to date? > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones Better this way? Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Gta04 on wikipedia
Hi All, Wikipedia [1] has the gta04 marked as cancelled, perhaps someone can bring that page up to date? Kind regards, Ed [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016
On 01/27/2016 03:25 PM, Christ van Willegen wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Boudewijn wrote: If you don't have plans for dinner yet: Saturday I intend to eat at Chez Fleur [0], at walking distance from the university. Earlier we had dinner there with people from Openpandora/Pyra, OpenPhoenux and Limesco and I enjoyed the food (and the company) Should we make a reservation? :-) Yes, please do! There's a reservation at 19.00 at Chez Fleur (mostly Dutch at the moment). In case anyone hops by: they don't accept plastic money, so come prepared (take friends with cash along :-) ). Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Boudewijn wrote: > (...merging threads, sorry in case I derail your mail client or offend > anyone ...) > > On 01/25/2016 10:07 AM, Christ van Willegen wrote: >> Can I suggest http://osm.org/go/0EoSsi6po?m=&node=319762946 on >> Saturday at 11:00, just after the first keynote? That's where the >> Goldelico stand was 2 years previously, I think... >> > As Nikolaus observed: no one is taking up the glove this year. We'll have to > find our own meeting spot. We can still meet there :-) > If you don't have plans for dinner yet: Saturday I intend to eat at Chez > Fleur [0], at walking distance from the university. Earlier we had dinner > there with people from Openpandora/Pyra, OpenPhoenux and Limesco and I > enjoyed the food (and the company) > > Should we make a reservation? :-) Yes, please do! Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016
(...merging threads, sorry in case I derail your mail client or offend anyone ...) On 01/25/2016 09:22 AM, Perez Diez, Jose Luis wrote: > El Diumenge 24 Gener 2016, a les 22:43:33, Boudewijn va escriure: >> Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend? > > I'll be there but I will stay mainly on the Perl trak On 01/25/2016 10:07 AM, Christ van Willegen wrote: Yes, I do. I'm arriving on Friday night and will be there Saturday and Sunday morning (too bad for Neil!). So, yes, I'd like to meet up! Can I suggest http://osm.org/go/0EoSsi6po?m=&node=319762946 on Saturday at 11:00, just after the first keynote? That's where the Goldelico stand was 2 years previously, I think... As Nikolaus observed: no one is taking up the glove this year. We'll have to find our own meeting spot. If you don't have plans for dinner yet: Saturday I intend to eat at Chez Fleur [0], at walking distance from the university. Earlier we had dinner there with people from Openpandora/Pyra, OpenPhoenux and Limesco and I enjoyed the food (and the company) Should we make a reservation? :-) On 01/25/2016 09:26 AM, n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote: > I will be there on Sunday afternoon. Focussed in the SDN/NFV DevRoom, > but would love to meet up. Will you have lunch or dinner in that area or is it really a short visit? Best regards, Boudewijn [0] http://www.chezfleur.be/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016
On 01/25/2016 10:22 AM, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 25.01.2016 um 10:15 schrieb Christoph Mair Am 24.01.2016 10:44 nachm. schrieb "Boudewijn" > Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend? I can't make it this year, sorry. Wish you a great weekend! Best regards, Christoph Same for me. So there will be no OpenPhoenux stand. Have an interesting weekend (be it with or without free beer but free software :), Thanks :-) Had I been organized a bit earlier I'd mailed Michael to ask if I could share his stand, but as it is I only have my GTA04 and GTA02 and most visitors already have played with them I think :-) Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016
Am 25.01.2016 um 10:15 schrieb Christoph Mair : > Am 24.01.2016 10:44 nachm. schrieb "Boudewijn" : > > > > Hi lists, > > > > Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend? > > I can't make it this year, sorry. Wish you a great weekend! > > Best regards, > Christoph Same for me. So there will be no OpenPhoenux stand. Have an interesting weekend (be it with or without free beer but free software :), Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016
On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Boudewijn wrote: > Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend? Yes, I do. > I have been terribly inactive, with hardly enough time to lurk the > mailinglist, let alone participate in anything. This year I can make it to > FOSDEM, it would be nice to meet if there's a chance to. I'm arriving on Friday night and will be there Saturday and Sunday morning (too bad for Neil!). So, yes, I'd like to meet up! Can I suggest http://osm.org/go/0EoSsi6po?m=&node=319762946 on Saturday at 11:00, just after the first keynote? That's where the Goldelico stand was 2 years previously, I think... See you there! Christ van Willegen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] OpenPhoenux and GTA04 at CCCamp?
Hi, Am 24.07.2015 um 18:53 schrieb Paul Kocialkowski : > Next month, CCCamp will take place near Berlin, Germany. > The event is a great occasion to highlight the GTA04 project and our > OpenPhoenux community at large. Neo900 folks already plan on attending > and will organize a Neo village: > https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Village:Neo > > I will also attend to represent Replicant (and hopefully get a lightning > talk about it, if not a self-organized session). Good! > In addition to > presenting the project and the various freedom and > privacy/security-related issues in mobile devices, I would also like to > try and get new people to join-in. > > Nikolaus, do you plan on having some OpenPhoenux and GTA04 > representation at camp besides Neo900? I didn’t know about this event until some weeks ago - and I personally have a schedule conflict… And I am not a fan of outdoor camping either :) > Also, my GTA04 still has a broken > GPS connector, so I thought perhaps it would be the right time to see > about it and get it fixed (Joerg already mentioned he would bring some > soldering tools, too). Yes, that would have been a good occasion. But you can also send it to me (any time you like) and I can return it next day (sometimes same day). It needs around 10 minutes to repair if the person knows how to do it quickly and reliable. > > I would be very happy to meet members of the community there and talk > about the future of Replicant on the OpenPhoenux projects and community! Thanks for making us aware! I am sure that some members of our community are going there. Maybe they can share their plans and reply to this mail? BR, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Linux gta04 4.1.0-rc4-gta04+ #1096 SMP Tue May 19 13:58:31 CEST 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
We are proud to have this kernel available for testing [1]. What is new: * we have fixed a NULL pointer issue in the bq27x00 driver which was introduced by 4.1-rc1 * we are preparing for DT support of the camera module; the OMAP3 ISP (Image Signal Processor) should already be configured correctly * everything else that is new with 4.1 and comes to us without big efforts Some things we are still working on: * get the GPS chip power managed on open(“/dev/ttyO1”). Technically it works since 2 years, but we need to find a solution that is accepted by upstream maintainers. * some tweaks to the touch screen driver are needed to make it more general (and useable for Replicant) * camera * twl4030 battery driver (fallback for devices like L3704 where hdq is n/a) * general power management * sound (we still need to implement voice hardware routing, and headset detection) Please give it a try (it also runs on BeagleBoard/XM, BeagleBone Black or PandaBoard ES). As usual, collaboration is welcome and/or donations [2] to support this work. And please follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/goldelico BR and thanks, Nikolaus [1]: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/4.1-rc4 [2]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%3ADonation ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Welcome to the "Gta04-ubuntu-touch" mailing list
El día Friday, March 27, 2015 a las 06:43:02AM +0100, gta04-ubuntu-touch-requ...@openphoenux.org escribió: > Welcome to the gta04-ubuntu-to...@openphoenux.org mailing list! > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > gta04-ubuntu-to...@openphoenux.org > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-ubuntu-touch Hello, First of all, thanks to Nikolaus for creating this list. Even while it turned out that there is a tech-folks oriented mailing-list of the ubuntu-phone project, where the developers of this are participating, we (the FR folks) can use this list here to exchange ideas of FR users about this approach of another phone running a Linux. The other list is at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Thanks again matthias -- Matthias Apitz, g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 "Wenn der Mensch von den Umständen gebildet wird, so muß man die Umstände menschlich bilden." "Si el hombre es formado por las circunstancias entonces es necesario formar humanamente las circunstancias", Karl Marx in Die heilige Familie / La sagrada familia (MEW 2, 138) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: Welcome to the "Gta04-ubuntu-touch" mailing list
(sorry, I wrote to the request of gta04-ubuntu-to...@openphoenux.org, now the correct mail addr in the To: header) Hello, First of all, thanks to Nikolaus for creating this list. Even while it turned out that there is a tech-folks oriented mailing-list of the ubuntu-phone project, where the developers of this are participating, we (the FR folks) can use this list here to exchange ideas of FR users about this approach of another phone running a Linux. The other list is at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Thanks again matthias -- Matthias Apitz, g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 "Wenn der Mensch von den Umständen gebildet wird, so muß man die Umstände menschlich bilden." "Si el hombre es formado por las circunstancias entonces es necesario formar humanamente las circunstancias", Karl Marx in Die heilige Familie / La sagrada familia (MEW 2, 138) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04A5 - status + FAQ
Am 13.02.2015 um 17:32 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak : > Hi, > > Thanks for this great follow-up! I have one question: > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller > wrote: >> And yes, this funding campaign runs very slowly. Since it is a very special >> product >> for a very special target group. Only GTA02 (and GTA01) owners have benefit >> from it. > > What about case kits? I remember there was some effort to make it > possible to replace old GTA02 parts with easier to obtain equivalents, > so using GTA04 board in self-made case (like 3D printed one) would be > possible. What's the situation right now? To go into detail the situation is this: In addition to the naked motherboard these parts from a GTA01/02 are reused: a) case (3 black plastic parts plus white speaker box) b) vibramotor c) earpiece speaker d) handsfree/music speaker(s) e) display panel f) battery g) GSM antenna h) active GPS antenna module Replacements are a) there are several STL designs available, even a wooden case looks feasible. b) we will solder a small(er) vibramotor on the GTA04A5 board, so that it does not longer need to be reused. c) here, we did have a replacement but it is now end of life. We have a supplier and catalog for other replacements. d) they were easily available at Mouser until last summer. So we just have ~25 pieces left over [1]. But it could be possible to find them on Alibaba. e) here we have ca. 60 units [2] - and no idea if anyone has stock for more. f) we still have some stock and maybe other of the well known Openmoko distributors as well. g) here we want to offer a replacement (similar to the green “cucumber” in the photo [3]). h) there are several GPS modules to choose from. So in summary, we already offer some of the required components and will offer others. But three key components (battery, handsfree speakers and display) are limited and w/o good replacments. BR, Nikolaus [1]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%3ASpeaker [2]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=LCD%20Module [3]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%3ACase%20Kit ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04A5 - status + FAQ
Am 13.02.2015 um 07:54 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller : > Hi, > a short status update for this project: > > 1. we have reached 42 preorders [1] - please continue to think about ordering > one as well… > 2. we plan to integrate a new barometer sensor BME280 with integrated > humidity sensor >so the GTA04A5 can be used as weather station - or for checking your room > climate (critical for your health and e.g. a piano) > 3. as announced this week, Replicant is working really well and Lukas told me > yesterday that he already installed WhatsApp > > So we only need to upgrade hardware to catch up a little to Nexus 6 in > functionality… > But the Nexus still has to catch up in openness and hardware documentation :) > > BR, > Nikolaus > > > [1]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04A5 I have reveived some questions off-list where I would like to share the answers: > Are you seriously considering to upgrade hardware? Very cool. Yes, we constantly monitor what new interesting chips are coming that can be integrated at low risk. Replacing the BMP085 (which by the way is no longer in production) is just wiring up 8 pins to a different package. And, we have to do that anyways since a handful of chips is no longer available and *must* be replaced. I did give a presentation on OHSW about this topic. But we have to be careful, since “big” changes (e.g. bigger display, quad-core CPU, LTE) are not possible. They introduce too much risk that the whole board does not work and some do not fit into the existing Openmoko plastic cases. And they need too much work time to be integrated. It is like mature software with an architecture designed some years ago that you touch only if it is easy to touch and does not introduce regressions in unexpected areas. I.e. changing the color or text of a button is ok, changing the menu structure isn't :) > Is there a recording of your OHSW talk? OHSW: http://www.ohsw.de Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktugrICZMKI&list=PL-s0IumBit8Mofxj0Fn2kH6RB9VtnKS4KVideo Slides: http://download.goldelico.com/default/Presentations/20141129%20OHSW/3%20GTA04A5%20Project%20Status.pdf > What about this 5000€ or 1€ target? This target is not really comparable to a kickstarter limit. It is more thought as an indicator to give a more imaginable (at least I hope) view on the project funding status. The real target we have is to get 100 preorders (vouchers) at 100 € each. This is equivalent to a 1€ sum of preorders. Only if we have reached that, we can seriously go to the production facility and ask them to give us a quotation (it is some heavy unpaid work for them and I don’t want to go to them just for fun). Only then, we know the real price of building 100 units. We will then announce the price and ask to pay the difference between the voucher and the final price. If nobody cancels his voucher, we can then start the production. There is one aspect which could make us the 1€ a real goal. I fear that we do not have much time left over to buy the OPTION GTM601W 3G modules. They are in production for quite a while, but there is no successor. And as soon as OPTION is no longer able to buy some component inside the module, they will stop production (maybe they already have stopped and we don’t know yet). Then we only can buy what is still in some stock. Maybe at rising price. Or we come too late and they say: sorry, we are sold out. And the OPTION module is one of the deal-breaker components. If we can’t buy it any more there is no chance to redesign the GTA04A5 board for a replacement component. Other modules are thicker or bigger - and need a careful design-in process. So w/o GTM601 (or DM3730 or memory chip) there can be no GTA04A5. In that case, we simply refund the preorder vouchers. So an option would be to use these vouchers to buy OPTION (pun unintended :) GTM601W modules. Then, in case of the project never succeeds, we would not refund the money, but could send you the module in case the project fails to reach 100 units for production. This would transform the voucher for a GTA04A5 into a voucher for a GTM601W module and a separate one for a GTA04A5 production run later. But it is too early to really do that step since we just have 42. If we had 75, I would say that we do this risk purchase. > The campaign is already running for a while and running very slowly. > Will it ever succeed? When will it considered to be failed? Well, I don’t know since my crystal ball doesn’t tell that. And yes, this funding campaign runs very slowly. Since it is a very special product for a very special target group. Only GTA02 (and GTA01) owners have benefit from it. And since we all are here on these lists, it does not make sense to start a Kickstarter/IndieGoGo for the broad public to get more interested people. And, there is no benefit of making it a competition against the calendar (4-8 weeks). Either you are convinced or not. Or change
Re: [Gta04-owner] ANN 2: new gta04-makesd for preparing bootable SD cards
On Monday 09 February 2015 21:14:51 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > So I hope that we are doing something you appreciate and find useful > and maybe would like to support either through [1] or by testing, reporting > bugs and submitting patches. Yes! Really a lot! I came home late tonight, intending to only have a quick look at my mail and find myself cloning the repository and downloading Lucas' image. Thank you all who have contributed! Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ANN 2: new gta04-makesd for preparing bootable SD cards
Hi, as written in the 3.19.0-kernel announcement, we now support more and more different hardware devices by the kernel. To simplify creating bootable SD cards for such a plethora of devices, there is also a new makesd script. No longer one for each device, doing dirty tricks, but a generic one that knows how to create single and multi- partiton images by pulling the components from http://downloads.goldelico.com It is easily controlled by command line arguments allowing to choose the version of a package to be installed, the device it should run on, how many partitions should be filled with what. It is possible to configure individually for each partition which x-loader and u-boot, which kernel, which device trees which modules and which root file system is to be installed. Some examples: DEV=/dev/sdc ./makesd -v latest-beta gta04 — production image (for unbricking, u-boot upgrade) for the GTA04 (Letux 2804) with Debian/LXDE using variant ‘latest-beta’ DEV=/dev/sdc ./makesd gta04b2 — same for GTA04b2 (Letux 3704) DEV=/dev/sdc ./makesd bb — image for the BeagleBoard (classic or XM) with Debian/LXDE DEV=/dev/sdc ./makesd bbb — image for the BeagleBone Black with Debian/LXDE DEV=/dev/sdc ./makesd pyra — same for OMAP5432EVM (Pyra prototype) DEV=/dev/sdc ./makesd replicant — latest (stable) replicant (universal image boots on L2804, L3704, L7004) DEV=/dev/sdc ./makesd -v unstable replicant — latest (unstable) replicant (boots on L2804, L3704, L7004) DEV=/dev/sdc ./makesd all — make a 4-system (Debian, QtMoko, Replicant, QuantumSTEP) multi-partition image where you can choose the system through the boot loader menu (boots on L2804, L3704, L7004) DEV=/dev/sdc ./makesd -v unstable pyra -F -v latest replicant — use unstable kernel and replace the Debian/LXDE in partition 2 with latest replicant (boots up to the root@android:/ # prompt) for the OMAP5432EVM DEV=/dev/sdc ./makesd -v unstable openpandora — the current working image for the OpenPandora (put into left slot and boot through boot menu) More information about installation and examples can be found at http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-makesd/ Please note that a new consistent “latest” release is due, but not yet tested, so some of the commands (without specifying -v unstable or -v latest-beta) may fail because they try to pull files that are not yet available in the “latest” as of today.. So I hope that we are doing something you appreciate and find useful and maybe would like to support either through [1] or by testing, reporting bugs and submitting patches. We really appreciate your feedback, since we don’t find every bug and flaw - and we always understand the bad and incomplete documentation [2] we have written… BR, Nikolaus [1]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%3ADonation [2]: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-makesd/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ANN 1: gta04-kernel 3.19.0
Hi, we have upgraded the gta04-kernel to 3.19.0 which by itself does not change much or fix significant issues, but we have achieved something we think is awesome: The kernel now also runs on the OMAP3530 based OpenPandora! We did just develop and debug a new device tree. Not everything is working yet, but it is now in a shape where we think we can announce it. The really interesting fact will be that for the first time we have a common kernel over several OMAP based open hardware projects: it supports the GTA04 devices, the Beagle- and PandaBoard, the old OpenMoko-Beagle-Hybrid, the OpenPandora and will also support the new OMAP5 Pyra handheld and whatever might come in the future (GTA04A5?). And as the really latest entry is the BeagleBone Black. The same kernel binary. The same binary kernel modules, the same root file system. Just loading a different device tree file and some small patches for the root file system is sufficient. Even sharing a SD card is possible (within some limitations). Something we are used to from the x86 world. Just replace the motherboard, plug in the old hard disk and boot again. And, we can mix this kernel with different root file systems: Debian, Replicant, QtMoko (if we get it compiled…), QuantumSTEP (if we finish it sometime), others to be defined. So we are close to transforming “gta04” into a multiple-choice-distribution for different hardware. Here is a list of the features supported by this kernel on the different devices: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/page/Platforms/ And, we are now at the forefront of the kernel development, since we regularily merge with linus/master. By upstreaming our changes, we hope that in some near future all these devices will be fully supported directly by kernel.org. So I hope that we are doing something you appreciate and find useful and perhaps would like to support either through [1] or by testing, reporting bugs and submitting patches. We really appreciate your feedback, since we don’t find every bug and flaw - and we always understand the bad and incomplete documentation [2] we have written… BR, Nikolaus [1]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%3ADonation [2]: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where Can I Get A GTA04 Camera?
You need to implement H.264 in v4l for uvc first if you want to use hd usb webcams afaik. On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 02:09:14PM +, Alexander .S.T. Ross wrote: > thanks muchly for the info. > apologies but i'm not at a level to fix that sort of thing but more > importantly I'm taking my self in a different direction in life, hence > my interest in the gta04 for using it to enable me to do what i want and > so i'll make do with what i get. maybe one year I might have lots of > moneys to give to devs so if they wish, they can spend time on improving > things instead of a sucky job :D > > I greatly appreciate the work you do and have already done. thank you! > > what i might do is see about recompiling the kernel (eek, didn't plan to > do that ;) ) and enable usb webcam support, I wonder if the gta04 might > somehow cope with a hd webcam... hehe :D ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where Can I Get A GTA04 Camera?
thanks muchly for the info. apologies but i'm not at a level to fix that sort of thing but more importantly I'm taking my self in a different direction in life, hence my interest in the gta04 for using it to enable me to do what i want and so i'll make do with what i get. maybe one year I might have lots of moneys to give to devs so if they wish, they can spend time on improving things instead of a sucky job :D I greatly appreciate the work you do and have already done. thank you! what i might do is see about recompiling the kernel (eek, didn't plan to do that ;) ) and enable usb webcam support, I wonder if the gta04 might somehow cope with a hd webcam... hehe :D ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where Can I Get A GTA04 Camera?
Hi Alexander, Am 31.12.2014 um 01:09 schrieb Alexander .S.T. Ross : > is the optional camera fully supported now? according to the manual it > isn’t. so what is it now? The status is that it is supported by the 3.12.7 kernel, but not optimized (the position of the image is shifted). The newer kernels (3.18) do not yet support the camera since the OMAP3 Image Processor (ISP) does not have Device Tree support yet and the camera module driver has not been adjusted to recent kernel API changes. So if you want to help to get it work on 3.19-rc you are very welcome to the gta04-kernel project [1]. BR and have a nice new year, Nikolaus [1]: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where Can I Get A GTA04 Camera?
is the optional camera fully supported now? according to the manual it isn’t. so what is it now? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where Can I Get A GTA04 Camera?
I'm wondering, as i might well be getting my hands on a gta04 without camera, Does anyone have a camera left over,laying around that i could have or know where i could get one? thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community] Selling gta04 OpenPhoenux
The price is now 550 euro / 675 usd / 430 pounds. On Sat, Dec 06, 2014 at 03:06:52AM +0600, fling wrote: > I'm selling the complete OpenPhoenux device. > gta04 board in gta02 case with gta02 and nokia batteries included. > Anyone interested? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community] Selling gta04 OpenPhoenux
Is 630 euros a good price with shipping/tracking included? On Sat, Dec 06, 2014 at 03:06:52AM +0600, fling wrote: > I'm selling the complete OpenPhoenux device. > gta04 board in gta02 case with gta02 and nokia batteries included. > Anyone interested? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Selling gta04 OpenPhoenux
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Re: [Gta04-owner] Special offer Letux 3704
Reminder! Please think about more interesting project ideas for this device! And the offer is serious - your price is ours (even if 1 € - if the idea is excellent). BR, Nikolaus Am 31.07.2014 um 11:06 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller : > Hi, > as you probably know, the Letux 2804 has an "older brother", the Letux 3704 > PDA. > As some "older brothers" it is stronger, but a little clumsy and may not be as > versatile as the "younger brother" :) But he has his strengths if needed... > > http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Letux%203704 > > The L3704 units we offer from stock are sample units to evaluate customization > options, and we are looking for more such customization projects. > > A Replicant 4.2 image is running on it very well, so that you can easily > develop (or have developed) and deploy applications to such devices. And > since it doesn't have UMTS built in, the incomplete Hayes-RIL for > GTA04-Replicant > is not a problem. > > To stimulate your ideas, we make a special summer holidays offer: > > * please submit a project idea what you want to accomplish with such a device > * and suggest a price for a (single) sample unit until 15th August. > > Then, we will choose the most interesting projects from the submissions > and you get the device at the price (plus shipment) you have suggested. > > Submissions must go to: sa...@goldelico.com to be considered. > > Please spread the word and invite interested people to this mailing list. > > BR and have a nice summer, > Nikolaus > > > > ___ > Gta04-owner mailing list > gta04-ow...@goldelico.com > http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04
Le 09/06/2014 23:12, Maelvon HAWK a écrit : Le 09/06/2014 10:52, Neil Jerram a écrit : On 2014-06-09 05:36, Radek Polak wrote: On Sunday, June 08, 2014 00:00:27 Maelvon HAWK wrote: Is Qx working with GTA04 in QtMoko? IIRC it worked. Maybe you will need to use Xorg instead of Xfbdev. You can try uninstall Xfbdev and QX could again ask to install and configure Xorg for you. If Xorg is always better, it would be good to remove the choice of installing Xfbdev (at least for GTA04). Thanks Neil and Radek, Ok, I've already tested the Xorg instalation, but it hang at getting a package. I don't remember wich one, so I've installed xfbdev version. And it seems to not working. I'll try next week the Neil tips with xserver-xorg-input-evdev. I'm trying to run, the compilation works fine, the openambit.org project on the GTA04, as it can be a solution to retrieve and store the logs of a Sunnto watches while trecking. If Qx works in Qtmoko! And connecting the Usb will be the next step. There might be another problem that xserver-xorg-input-tslib was removed from debian wheezy, so you must use xserver-xorg-input-evdev for input. Now i am not sure which one is the GTA04 frinedly one... Does the QtMoko GTA04 kernel include Nikolaus's patch for dejittering in the kernel? If it does, it should be fine to use evdev. Neil Ok, that's not completly feasible so the Qx in Qtmoko for GTA04! Can I run a Qt application on the Lxde distribution in a backup solution? Thanks, Maelvon No chance to make working Qx under the Gta04. :-( But I've succeed to re-install the 20140328-GTA04-Production-3.12.7-wheezy-7.3 from Goldelico and run the soft under Lxde. I'll start a new thread about that on gta04-ow...@goldelico.com Maelvon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04
On 2014-06-09 22:12, Maelvon HAWK wrote: Can I run a Qt application on the Lxde distribution in a backup solution? Yes. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04
Le 09/06/2014 10:52, Neil Jerram a écrit : On 2014-06-09 05:36, Radek Polak wrote: On Sunday, June 08, 2014 00:00:27 Maelvon HAWK wrote: Is Qx working with GTA04 in QtMoko? IIRC it worked. Maybe you will need to use Xorg instead of Xfbdev. You can try uninstall Xfbdev and QX could again ask to install and configure Xorg for you. If Xorg is always better, it would be good to remove the choice of installing Xfbdev (at least for GTA04). Thanks Neil and Radek, Ok, I've already tested the Xorg instalation, but it hang at getting a package. I don't remember wich one, so I've installed xfbdev version. And it seems to not working. I'll try next week the Neil tips with xserver-xorg-input-evdev. I'm trying to run, the compilation works fine, the openambit.org project on the GTA04, as it can be a solution to retrieve and store the logs of a Sunnto watches while trecking. If Qx works in Qtmoko! And connecting the Usb will be the next step. There might be another problem that xserver-xorg-input-tslib was removed from debian wheezy, so you must use xserver-xorg-input-evdev for input. Now i am not sure which one is the GTA04 frinedly one... Does the QtMoko GTA04 kernel include Nikolaus's patch for dejittering in the kernel? If it does, it should be fine to use evdev. Neil Ok, that's not completly feasible so the Qx in Qtmoko for GTA04! Can I run a Qt application on the Lxde distribution in a backup solution? Thanks, Maelvon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04
On 2014-06-09 05:36, Radek Polak wrote: On Sunday, June 08, 2014 00:00:27 Maelvon HAWK wrote: Is Qx working with GTA04 in QtMoko? IIRC it worked. Maybe you will need to use Xorg instead of Xfbdev. You can try uninstall Xfbdev and QX could again ask to install and configure Xorg for you. If Xorg is always better, it would be good to remove the choice of installing Xfbdev (at least for GTA04). There might be another problem that xserver-xorg-input-tslib was removed from debian wheezy, so you must use xserver-xorg-input-evdev for input. Now i am not sure which one is the GTA04 frinedly one... Does the QtMoko GTA04 kernel include Nikolaus's patch for dejittering in the kernel? If it does, it should be fine to use evdev. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04
On Sunday, June 08, 2014 00:00:27 Maelvon HAWK wrote: > I launch the application in Qx, but the application interface's button > doesn't respond to any touch on the screen. > I'm in Qx with Xfbdev. > Is Qx working with GTA04 in QtMoko? IIRC it worked. Maybe you will need to use Xorg instead of Xfbdev. You can try uninstall Xfbdev and QX could again ask to install and configure Xorg for you. There might be another problem that xserver-xorg-input-tslib was removed from debian wheezy, so you must use xserver-xorg-input-evdev for input. Now i am not sure which one is the GTA04 frinedly one... BR Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04
On 2014-06-07 23:00, Maelvon HAWK wrote: I launch the application in Qx, but the application interface's button doesn't respond to any touch on the screen. I'm in Qx with Xfbdev. Is Qx working with GTA04 in QtMoko? I've personally found it unreliable and difficult to use. However I remember seeing reports from several others saying that it worked for them. So maybe I was doing something wrong or using a less good QtMoko version, or had somehow messed things up with my own patches. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04
Le 06/06/2014 18:29, Neil Jerram a écrit : On 2014-06-06 15:57, Maelvon HAWK wrote: >> I have a GTA04 and want to run an application in Qtmoko with Qx, >> but I've no mouse pointer at all. Is that normal? > > I think it is normal. How would a visible mouse pointer help you? - > given that nothing will happen until you touch the screen, and then > it will be the position of your touch that controls what happens. > >> I've tested Qx with >> I launch the application in Qx, but the application interface's button doesn't respond to any touch on the screen. I'm in Qx with Xfbdev. Is Qx working with GTA04 in QtMoko? I see some threads talking about tslib and evdev but I do not see >> much on the list >> (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2013-January/068137.html) >> >> >> And as the application have a Qt4 GUI, I'm asking myself if I can run it directly in Qtmoko, but I don't known how! > > Unfortunately, no, because the Qt4 application is still probably > expecting to output to an X server, and native QtMoko uses a > different display server. To run directly in QtMoko, at least a > rebuild will be needed, within the QtMoko build environment, and > possibly a little porting work too. > >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Maelvon HAWK > > Regards, Neil Maelvon HAWK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04
On 2014-06-06 15:57, Maelvon HAWK wrote: I have a GTA04 and want to run an application in Qtmoko with Qx, but I've no mouse pointer at all. Is that normal? I think it is normal. How would a visible mouse pointer help you? - given that nothing will happen until you touch the screen, and then it will be the position of your touch that controls what happens. I've tested Qx with I see some threads talking about tslib and evdev but I do not see much on the list (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2013-January/068137.html) And as the application have a Qt4 GUI, I'm asking myself if I can run it directly in Qtmoko, but I don't known how! Unfortunately, no, because the Qt4 application is still probably expecting to output to an X server, and native QtMoko uses a different display server. To run directly in QtMoko, at least a rebuild will be needed, within the QtMoko build environment, and possibly a little porting work too. Thanks in advance, Maelvon HAWK Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qx and QtMoko v58 in GTA04
I have a GTA04 and want to run an application in Qtmoko with Qx, but I've no mouse pointer at all. Is that normal? I've tested Qx with I see some threads talking about tslib and evdev but I do not see much on the list (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2013-January/068137.html) And as the application have a Qt4 GUI, I'm asking myself if I can run it directly in Qtmoko, but I don't known how! Thanks in advance, Maelvon HAWK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sensors on GTA04
ok, I'll have a look. I'll make some notes and send it to the list if I find something. Lionel On 2 April 2014 06:15, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > Am 02.04.2014 um 03:17 schrieb L. B.: > > Hi, > > I'd like to play with the compass but the info from the documentation page > does not correspond with what I got on my phone (using qtmoko v58). The > page I use is that one: > http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/page/Sensors/ > > In the 'compass' section there is a switch to enable/disable sampling. On > my phone there is a directory > > /sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-2/2-001e/ > > but there is no 'rate' file in there. Same applies for the gyroscope. > Has anything been changed? > > > No. The kenrel doc is for the Goldelico kernels which were 2.6.32 some > years ago and now reflect the drivers of 3.12 (ff). > > QtMoko AFAIK uses a 3.7 kernel and since the /sys node names are not > stable (and never will be) you might have to do a little guesswork and look > into the 3.7 kernel source code to find out how the driver works. > > Hope this helps, > Nikolaus > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sensors on GTA04
Am 02.04.2014 um 03:17 schrieb L. B.: > Hi, > > I'd like to play with the compass but the info from the documentation page > does not correspond with what I got on my phone (using qtmoko v58). The page > I use is that one: > http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/page/Sensors/ > > In the 'compass' section there is a switch to enable/disable sampling. On my > phone there is a directory > /sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-2/2-001e/ > but there is no 'rate' file in there. Same applies for the gyroscope. > Has anything been changed? No. The kenrel doc is for the Goldelico kernels which were 2.6.32 some years ago and now reflect the drivers of 3.12 (ff). QtMoko AFAIK uses a 3.7 kernel and since the /sys node names are not stable (and never will be) you might have to do a little guesswork and look into the 3.7 kernel source code to find out how the driver works. Hope this helps, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
sensors on GTA04
Hi, I'd like to play with the compass but the info from the documentation page does not correspond with what I got on my phone (using qtmoko v58). The page I use is that one: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/page/Sensors/ In the 'compass' section there is a switch to enable/disable sampling. On my phone there is a directory /sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-2/2-001e/ but there is no 'rate' file in there. Same applies for the gyroscope. Has anything been changed? Thanks, Lionel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA04/ QtMoKo v57 WLAN issue
Hi, Radek, You stated bevore that You can not connect to WiFi any longer. I have same issue here. I tried this [1] and, maybe I figured the problem out: As soon as You try to connect to disired network QtMoKo copies the required data to "/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf". Please look at his file, here in mine the "psk" is unencrypted! As soon as I cange this, according to [1], I can connect to WiFi- network with console command in "*3. Connecting to WPA / WPA2 encrypted wifi network"! Then it stays connected! Maybe this is the issue.* One more thing: my phone shows device name "wlan3", but this should not be a problem.. [1] http://pc-freak.net/blog/how-to-connect-to-wifi-network-using-console-or-terminal-on-gnu-linux/ -- Kind regards Sebastian Reinhardt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Bob Ham wrote: > On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > >> We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline > > Why? The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste > time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the > board being used? Why are you not spending this time working on the > power drain? > > When you start working on the master or PhD thesis to resolve the power > drain, I'm sure you'll find the community will be more supportive After much study, I have discovered that the biggest power drain appears to be coming from certain posts on the mailing list which ridicule and demoralize the people actually doing the work in this community. When people volunteer to work on free software/hardware projects, they are doing something to make the world a better place and they should be paid back with, at the least, our respect. —Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri 21 February 2014 19:22:00 Bob Ham wrote: > On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham: > > > On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > >> the kernel controls the power drain. > > > > > > How has that been determined? > > > > Please find the answer and tell us about the results. > > This answer implies that you have nothing to back up your assertion that > "the kernel controls the power drain". It implies that your assertion > was, in fact, just speculation. And if you don't know whether the > kernel causes the power drain, then you can't know that working on the > kernel is working on the power drain. > > You are not working directly on the problem of the power drain. When > you start doing that work, instead of developing kernels for a useless > phone board, the community will be more supportive. Nikolaus' answer just implies one thing: he noticed quicker than me that any answer to you is futile. Feel free to pick the right one matching to your statements from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri 21 February 2014 19:22:00 Bob Ham wrote: > On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham: > > > On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > >> the kernel controls the power drain. > > > > > > How has that been determined? > > > > Please find the answer and tell us about the results. > > This answer implies that you have nothing to back up your assertion that > "the kernel controls the power drain". It implies that your assertion > was, in fact, just speculation. And if you don't know whether the > kernel causes the power drain, then you can't know that working on the > kernel is working on the power drain. > > You are not working directly on the problem of the power drain. When > you start doing that work, instead of developing kernels for a useless > phone board, the community will be more supportive. please take it elsewhere! you evidently got NFC but think you can patronize and instruct others /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham:
>
> > On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> >
> >> the kernel controls the power drain.
> >
> > How has that been determined?
>
> Please find the answer and tell us about the results.
This answer implies that you have nothing to back up your assertion that
"the kernel controls the power drain". It implies that your assertion
was, in fact, just speculation. And if you don't know whether the
kernel causes the power drain, then you can't know that working on the
kernel is working on the power drain.
You are not working directly on the problem of the power drain. When
you start doing that work, instead of developing kernels for a useless
phone board, the community will be more supportive.
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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham: > On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > >> the kernel controls the power drain. > > How has that been determined? Please find the answer and tell us about the results. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (was: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)))
On Fri 21 February 2014 11:43:08 David Matthews wrote: > Yes it is, and those who do not believe so should allow those of us that do > value it to enjoy it in peace :-0 - I at least do not need to be told > repeatedly how foolish I am for delighting over something someone else > believes has zero worth Please don't polemize! Nobody has told you that you're foolish. You do that now, about those of us who question the purpose of changing IMEI (something that got lost in your mail's topic, as well as the thread reference that would've put this into context) -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:54:23 Bob Ham wrote: > On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > the kernel controls the power drain. > > How has that been determined? Your initial rant sounded much similar to the plot: blame the architect for not working on the electrics of the house, to stop the excess energy expense caused by the residents not shutting down the heating when opening the windows. -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Fri 21 February 2014 10:54:23 Bob Ham wrote: > On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > the kernel controls the power drain. > > How has that been determined? Roughly same way as Pi -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> the kernel controls the power drain.
How has that been determined?
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Am 21.02.2014 um 10:03 schrieb Bob Ham: > On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > >> We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline > > Why? The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste > time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the > board being used? Why are you not spending this time working on the > power drain? Maybe you don't know or believe but the kernel controls the power drain. So working on the kernel is working on the power drain... Why do you waste time to write such mails instead of working on the problems that prevent the board being used? Why are you not spending this time working on the power drain? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:03:47 Bob Ham wrote: > On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline > > Why? The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste > time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the > board being used? Thanks a lot for the excellent advice! Now if you could elaborate on what exactly *is* the source of the problem, and particularly why it's not related to kernel's power management, according to your insight. > Why are you not spending this time working on the > power drain? See above! >[...] /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline
Why? The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste
time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the
board being used? Why are you not spending this time working on the
power drain?
> BTW: more support for that work from the community would speed up progress.
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 09:57 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Looks like topic for a master or PhD thesis...
When you start working on the master or PhD thesis to resolve the power
drain, I'm sure you'll find the community will be more supportive
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Re: [Gta04-owner] qtmoko-eyepiece
Hello! I've found a solution to fix this problem with Debian Wheezy (the one for GTA04), please see this bug report: https://github.com/radekp/eyepiece/issues/1 TLDR; you need to make symbolic links for libdjvulibre and libfontconfig libraries inside the /usr/lib/ directory and open PDF from the Eyepiece application. Le vendredi 02 août 2013 à 18:56 +0200, correu griera a écrit : > Thanks Radek!! > > > I have the same problem: I tried to run Eyepiece, it install the lib > and I get the error "Installation failed". > > > Thanks a lot!! Griera > > > > 2013/7/31 Adrien Dorsaz > Hello ! > > Le mercredi 31 juillet 2013 à 16:13 +0200, Radek Polak a > écrit : > > On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 08:47:59 AM Griera wrote: > > > > > > there is only the package for armel version. > > > Thanks a lot. Griera. > > > > Should be fixed now (but not tested). > > > > BR > > > > > > > > Radek > > > Thanks, now we've the package, but it doesn't find > libdjvulibre21 and > libfontconfig1 when it starts and ask to install them. I've > already > installed them and when it tries, it makes error : > "Installation > failed". > > I've tried to open a PDF despite of the error message, but > I've a > message which said it cann't load plugin. > > Does someone have any hint to make it works ? > > Thanks, > Adrien > > ___ > Gta04-owner mailing list > gta04-ow...@goldelico.com > http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo/gta04-owner > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04A5
Hi, good to hear about the progress. For the upcoming gruenes blatt, a german speaking ecofriendly and direct action orientied magazine I wrote a short article about "free" phones[1] and open source hardware[2] This is intented as a series to be continued in future editions. If there are news, you want to see in this section, please give me a message in english or german. If there are news from the munich conference I am happy to create a layout with scribus. All the best, kardan [1] PDF: http://gruenes-blatt.de/index.php/Datei:Grbl2013-3_s50_144dpi.pdf Text: http://gruenes-blatt.de/index.php/2013-03:Telefone_mit_freier_Technik [2] PDF: http://gruenes-blatt.de/index.php/Datei:Grbl2013-3_s3_144dpi.pdf Text: http://gruenes-blatt.de/index.php/2013-03:Freie-Technik-Nachrichten (sorry to all non german readers) On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 13:29:44 +0100 "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" wrote: > Hi all, > the GTA04A5 campaign is progressing slowly (as expected), but it is! > > We already have 15 units on preorder [1]. Of course this is not yet > enough to get the price down to regions we all want, but a start has > been made! > > My hope is that we can use synergies with the Neo900 project to get > some (not all) components cheaper. > > Replicant 4.0, Kernel 3.13 (and perhaps QtMoko) are also making > progress so that there is choice for good software. > > BR, > Nikolaus > > [1]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04A5 > > ___ > Gta04-owner mailing list > gta04-ow...@goldelico.com > http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo/gta04-owner -- Kardan Please encrypt emails to me. http://gnupg.org/documentation Public GPG key 9D6108AE58C06558 at hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net fingerprint: F72F C4D9 6A52 16A1 E7C9 AE94 9D61 08AE 58C0 6558 Why? * EU data retention since 2006 http://tinyurl.com/eu-data-retention * NSA/GHCQ soak up all they can into their data centers * orwell 2.0: http://knopfdoubleday.com/book/232010/the-circle/ EFF.org: Stop Watching Us! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGmiw_rrNxk > https://prism-break.org software for informational self protection "everyone has the right to know who is knowing what about him at what time." https://www.datenschutz.de/privo/recht/grundlagen signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community] GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
On Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:51:50 AM joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Hi! > just as a short newsflash: we got 258 votes-of-interest and even 30 that > are willing to pay >=700EUR for a Neo900 aka GTA04-NeoN board plus housing > and other needed parts. > Follow the hype at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 You can count me too, but not for the first prototype. I wont buy until i know there is 100% working modem and power management. Until that i will keep working on GTA04. Anyways good luck and please keep us informed about the progress! BR Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
Hi! just as a short newsflash: we got 258 votes-of-interest and even 30 that are willing to pay >=700EUR for a Neo900 aka GTA04-NeoN board plus housing and other needed parts. Follow the hype at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 cheers jOERG -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:14 AM, joerg Reisenweber wrote: > While rewriting blobs is a long term minor goal of CSSU [1], we won't do a > complete rewrite of every closed blob for Neo900 fremantle-port. Actually if > we did, we could use any arbitrary hardware ülatform and just recompile the > completely liberated fremantle for it. We wouldn't need a GTA04-N900 that's > close to the original N900 hw-wise. The idea of GTA04-N900 is to reduce the > hw-diffs to an amount that can get handled in kernel/drivers by patching them. > You probably know that kernel and kernel driver modules are FOSS in maemo. Yeah, Neo900 won't be associated with any specific operating system. SHR, QtMoko or anything else that works now on GTA04 should be very easy, if not trivial, to run on Neo900. For this community, Neo900 is just a upgraded GTA04 in different case (well, it might be that Neo900 will cause upgrade of GTA04 itself, so it will be rather something like "variant of GTA04" rather than "upgrade" to it). But there's one reason why we need "Fremantle Porting Task Force" - demand. Maemo community waited for N900 successor for so long, and with such low demand as we're struggling with those devices, every single willing buyer helps us a lot. Also, this is not Nokia-owned OS anymore - community owns it and effort to ditch closed blobs and switch to free replacements is ongoing, as Joerg pointed out. There are also some initiatives for rebasing Fremantle on top of current Debian and to stay as close to upstream as possible. Those efforts slowly die together with N900. When there are less and less developers, the goal of "Freemantle" is more and more away. Neo900 is meant to resurrect this community as soon as possible. While joining "Freemantle" effort into Neo900 project would mean inevitable failure (not enough manpower, people being disappointed due to unstable software etc.), giving Maemo community something pretty much rock-solid as a good base for future work (even with still with some closed parts) might be better idea for our long term goals. It might be that reimplementing some OS part will be easier than adding some compatibility layer in kernel. In such cases, "Freemantle" will even benefit directly from "porting task force" work. And still, if you're not interested in Fremantle, just ignore it. There are people who are - they will generate some demand, so we'll be able to get bigger production runs, so everyone will be happier. Nevertheless, Neo900 will stay true to everything that GTA04 represents right now. It will just get new form factor to attract different people. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
On Wed 28 August 2013 22:21:18 Norayr Chilingarian wrote: [...] > Also, I believe many apps like GPS apps which use liblocation won't > work, because liblocation is proprietary, and needs to be rewritten with > the same interface. GolDeliCo won't ship the Neo900 with maemo pre-installed. We got (or will have) a fremantle porting task force at maemo community that does the porting, provides installable rootfs, and explains how to install and use the closed blobs like liblocation. Nokia "donated" maemo to community, and we had the permission from Nokia to re-use and even re-distribute the blobs since years already. While rewriting blobs is a long term minor goal of CSSU [1], we won't do a complete rewrite of every closed blob for Neo900 fremantle-port. Actually if we did, we could use any arbitrary hardware ülatform and just recompile the completely liberated fremantle for it. We wouldn't need a GTA04-N900 that's close to the original N900 hw-wise. The idea of GTA04-N900 is to reduce the hw-diffs to an amount that can get handled in kernel/drivers by patching them. You probably know that kernel and kernel driver modules are FOSS in maemo. cheers jOERG -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
Non-free maemo isn't redistributable. There's must be free maemo version. The existing version won't be possible to flash to gta-04 because it is currently not possible to do that. It's different hardware. Otherwise it won't be necessary to port SHR to n900, that's obvious. So, in order to redistribute GTA-04 version of maemo, there must be free redistributable maemo. Also, I believe many apps like GPS apps which use liblocation won't work, because liblocation is proprietary, and needs to be rewritten with the same interface. Otherwise, full compatibility is just not possible, without replacing those proprietary parts with free parts. I personally have no problem using SHR on n900 like device. But you are the one who considers maemo compatibility to be the key feature. That's why I am writing this. >The maemo fremantle porting project is not targeted at creating a fork or new release of maemo OS, but strictly to keep >compatibility from N900 to Neo900 so users can ideally restore a backup from their old N900 to their new Neo900 and the device >acts exactly like user got used to. Also we don't plan to recompile the repositories with all the applications, and for the much needed >core apps like dialer we even can't do that since they are closed. However you're free to run any distro you like on GTA04 and >GTA04-N900 aka Neo900, just the maemo community fremantle porting task force will not bother about "rebasing on debian" or >whatever, the goals of that task force are clearly defined. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
On Wed 28 August 2013 10:33:47 Paul Wise wrote: > There is some info about how different Maemo (all versions) is from > Debian in these files: > > http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/sources.new > http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/sources.patches > http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/patches/ > > These are derived from this data: > > https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/Maemo Maybe related resp helping: http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages (NB that's not my POV, usual disclaimers apply), and http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages The maemo fremantle porting project is not targeted at creating a fork or new release of maemo OS, but strictly to keep compatibility from N900 to Neo900 so users can ideally restore a backup from their old N900 to their new Neo900 and the device acts exactly like user got used to. Also we don't plan to recompile the repositories with all the applications, and for the much needed core apps like dialer we even can't do that since they are closed. However you're free to run any distro you like on GTA04 and GTA04-N900 aka Neo900, just the maemo community fremantle porting task force will not bother about "rebasing on debian" or whatever, the goals of that task force are clearly defined. cheers /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:12 AM, arne anka wrote: > maemo isn't "great" If I were using Maemo, I guess the biggest problem for me would be security support, I wonder if there is any right now? > imo, the way to go would be to port all of maemo to debian thereby getting Your wording isn't clear here, but I guess you mean join Debian and get all the new packages and patches from Maemo added to Debian? If you want to start doing that, take a look at these pages. I'm sure that the Debian mobile folks will be happy to help guide you with this. http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile > iirc there is/was work going on in that direction. At one point the Hildon stuff was in Debian but it got removed because it became clear that it did not have a future upstream since Nokia was dropping it. Now some things like 0x are in Debian but not much else. In particular I don't think that Debian has a version of Linux that can run on the N900 yet, same for GTA02/GTA04. Probably the same for bootloaders etc. There is some info about how different Maemo (all versions) is from Debian in these files: http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/sources.new http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/sources.patches http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/patches/ These are derived from this data: https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/Maemo If there is anyone from the Maemo community interested in being the contact point for maintaining this info, I get the impression that Jeremiah is no longer involved in Maemo so it would be great to have a replacement for him. https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census https://wiki.debian.org/DerivativesFrontDesk -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
I would say, maemo fremantle is great. if we could manage to make it free, i. e. rewrite it's non-free parts, and make it available on more platforms, like nexus, it'll be great. having free hardware in n900 case it good too. but first of all let's get working free, indeed free maemo. not the proprietary one that could be flashed from nokia images. but the one which is possible to port to different devices. so may be someone does not like n900 and want to use it on n9 or nexus. or whatever phone he has. I like SHR for that reason - there are at least a couple of platforms supported. maemo isn't "great", maemo is a purposefully crippled debian with the added benefit to prevent the user from simply using debian armel packages. imo, the way to go would be to port all of maemo to debian thereby getting rid of nokia's imcompatibilities also inside packages (gtk springs to mind). iirc there is/was work going on in that direction. BTW: PLEASE cut quotes to the least needed amount and do not just hit reply! -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
Am 26.08.2013 um 14:35 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: > Hello! > > Short introduction, as I was rather inactive in this community > recently: I'm dos, long time Openmoko supporter, owner of GTA02 and > (now broken) Nokia N900. Few years ago I was quite an active developer > of FSO (opimd) and SHR. Few days ago I've created website draft for > GTA04. > > As we all know, GTA04 project has few non-technical problems. Poor > demand is one of them, poor availability of parts is the second one. > Those two problems together are pretty much show stoppers, cause if we > fix one, the second one becomes harder. > > But Joerg Reisenweber came up with brilliant idea of adapting GTA04 > board into N900 case. Why? > - second source N900 housings are very cheap and available on eBay in > big quantities -> problem with very small amount of Openmoko cases > solved > - there are still new spare parts floating around on free market > > But using N900 gives us more: > - GTA04 with physical keyboard! > - screen that doesn't appear to be off in full sunlight > - it seems that while some people like Openmoko case (I do), most > rather think "it's nice idea, but I wouldn't show up anywhere with > such a brick" :( N900 case seems to be more commonly accepted by > public ;) > > Wait, there's even more! > - if done right, we can engage Maemo community and increase the demand a lot! > > There are LOTS of broken N900s in possession of Maemo community > members due to problems with faulty USB connector and GSM modem. Many > of them (owners ;)) are waiting for proper N900 successor that never > came (N9 is not, and Nokia is not interested in platform anymore at > all). > > This might be great time to merge efforts from Openmoko/OpenPhoenux > and Maemo communities. Neo900 project can benefit from both of them - > there will be QtMoko/SHR/Replicant on the one side (it's just modified > GTA04, so running all of them should be very easy), and there will be > Maemo, Meego and maybe more porting initiatives on the other side. > Joerg's idea includes full port of Maemo 5 (Fremantle) to allow N900 > users to have drop-in upgrade - just like now GTA04 is for GTA01/02 > owners. I think that can increase interest a lot! > > For now we named it "Neo900" - making nods to both N900 and Openmoko roots :) > > I'm super excited about this idea, and it seems that I'm not the only one: > Look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 > > You can also read logs from #maemo from yesterday and today: > https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-08-25.log.html > https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-08-26.log.html > > It seems there is some interest, and that's just on Maemo side :) > > What do you think? Very good idea. If we can use the same basic design both, the GTA04 and the Neo900 could have many common components. And adding the number of chips bought of one type will help to reduce the purchase price of both. So trying to merg this is to the benefit of both. BR, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
Am 26.08.2013 um 16:24 schrieb Tomas Nackaerts: > Hi all! > > I actually think this is a great idea! I always liked the N900 formfactor. > But > is it technically possible? I remember somebody mention that the option modem > is quite big? Yes, but it is the flattest one we could get. And from the photos of the N900 board I have seen they even need more space for the separate modem chips. > And if there will be a redesign the fit the gta04 to the n900 > will it possible to update the specs a bit? faster cpu and stuff like that? Faster CPU: yes - the idea is to use the 1GHz DM3730 which is 25-30% faster (at least at peak performance - if clock is reduced to 200MHz it is also slow). > But to be honest, i will probably not buy this device if it has the same > problems the current gta04 has. (power usage and modem enumeration) Well, we can't say if it will have the same problems - and even if the problems if the GTA04 are really problems or just lack of a solution. And, I must warn a little - a Neo900 design may have other problems we will only see if it has been built and tested by hundredts of users. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
I would say, maemo fremantle is great. if we could manage to make it free, i. e. rewrite it's non-free parts, and make it available on more platforms, like nexus, it'll be great. having free hardware in n900 case it good too. but first of all let's get working free, indeed free maemo. not the proprietary one that could be flashed from nokia images. but the one which is possible to port to different devices. so may be someone does not like n900 and want to use it on n9 or nexus. or whatever phone he has. I like SHR for that reason - there are at least a couple of platforms supported. 08/27/13 12:57 -???, joerg Reisenweber-? ?: > On Mon 26 August 2013 14:35:50 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: > [...] >> Joerg's idea includes full port of Maemo 5 (Fremantle) to allow N900 >> users to have drop-in upgrade - just like now GTA04 is for GTA01/02 >> owners. I think that can increase interest a lot! > Indeed I consider maemo fremantle compatibility a key feature of this > project, > since fremantle is proven on OMAP3 platform, both for power management and > general every day usability. And userbase at maemo mostly expects > compatibility. > We (would) need to adapt GTA04 to mach resp resemble N900 enough so that all > remaining differences can get handled on kernel/driver level. > On an encouraging sidenote, we have already at least 2 volunteers for doing > that kernel morphing, one of them even a ex-nokian kernel maintainer \o/ > > There are still some _severe_ issues that need to get evaluated/tackled ASAP: > *) instabilities/issues reported for GTA04, with power management and modem > **) USB / musb core in OMAP which is a greedy hog as long as powered. > *) camera (N900 has 5MP with autofocus) > *) N900 has 32GB eMMC > *) interfacing the flex circuit board (aka ribbon cable) connection to to > screen half, that also has ALS, secondary (VGA?) camera, proxy sensor, 3color > LED > *) component sourcing for speakers, antennae, et al > *) completely different charging (N900 uses bq24150) > *) AV-connector with auto-detection of headphones, headset, AV (maybe simply > replace that in userland by a requester to pick type of cable/connection > *) audio at large, N900 has a quite different circuitry for whole audio, and > fremantle has some nasty PA modules, some of them even closed blobs (XPROT > speaker protection, some limiter/compressor/EQ/overtemp-cutout) > > *)... I'm afraid there's more to come, that I don't see right now > > Anyway, the general mood is best described by "extremely excited" and it > seems > it's maybe worth following this idea some further, even with the above points > pending to get solved. > > See http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 > > I hope I didn't state anything that Nikolaus will bash me for when tomorrow > he > reads all the stuff that happened. > > The poll I added on that ^^^ thread on tmo however shows that 7/8 of users > are > expecting us to compete with Samsung for the price range. Well, that been > expected. The resulting discussion is maybe helpful nevertheless. > > > cheers > jOERG > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
On Mon 26 August 2013 14:35:50 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: [...] > Joerg's idea includes full port of Maemo 5 (Fremantle) to allow N900 > users to have drop-in upgrade - just like now GTA04 is for GTA01/02 > owners. I think that can increase interest a lot! Indeed I consider maemo fremantle compatibility a key feature of this project, since fremantle is proven on OMAP3 platform, both for power management and general every day usability. And userbase at maemo mostly expects compatibility. We (would) need to adapt GTA04 to mach resp resemble N900 enough so that all remaining differences can get handled on kernel/driver level. On an encouraging sidenote, we have already at least 2 volunteers for doing that kernel morphing, one of them even a ex-nokian kernel maintainer \o/ There are still some _severe_ issues that need to get evaluated/tackled ASAP: *) instabilities/issues reported for GTA04, with power management and modem **) USB / musb core in OMAP which is a greedy hog as long as powered. *) camera (N900 has 5MP with autofocus) *) N900 has 32GB eMMC *) interfacing the flex circuit board (aka ribbon cable) connection to to screen half, that also has ALS, secondary (VGA?) camera, proxy sensor, 3color LED *) component sourcing for speakers, antennae, et al *) completely different charging (N900 uses bq24150) *) AV-connector with auto-detection of headphones, headset, AV (maybe simply replace that in userland by a requester to pick type of cable/connection *) audio at large, N900 has a quite different circuitry for whole audio, and fremantle has some nasty PA modules, some of them even closed blobs (XPROT speaker protection, some limiter/compressor/EQ/overtemp-cutout) *)... I'm afraid there's more to come, that I don't see right now Anyway, the general mood is best described by "extremely excited" and it seems it's maybe worth following this idea some further, even with the above points pending to get solved. See http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 I hope I didn't state anything that Nikolaus will bash me for when tomorrow he reads all the stuff that happened. The poll I added on that ^^^ thread on tmo however shows that 7/8 of users are expecting us to compete with Samsung for the price range. Well, that been expected. The resulting discussion is maybe helpful nevertheless. cheers jOERG -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:25:06 +0200, joerg Reisenweber wrote: On Mon 26 August 2013 21:47:08 arne anka wrote: the most striking part of jörg's n900 idea seems not to attract any comments -- he said, he'd know at least one company who would be interested. Oh? where did I say this? Been a communication error. Or a complete storage dropout ;-) Sorry both happens to me sometimes, so I'd really be interested in a pointer or citation. cheers jOERG "know for sure there's a (comparatively) huge community" but when c&p'ing it i discovered that i had read "company" instead of "community". darn ... -- -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
On Mon 26 August 2013 21:47:08 arne anka wrote: > the most striking part of jörg's n900 idea seems not to attract any > comments -- he said, he'd know at least one company who would be > interested. Oh? where did I say this? Been a communication error. Or a complete storage dropout ;-) Sorry both happens to me sometimes, so I'd really be interested in a pointer or citation. cheers jOERG -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
the most striking part of jörg's n900 idea seems not to attract any comments -- he said, he'd know at least one company who would be interested. being interested does not necessarily translate into will buy, but at least it would be worth to contemplate ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
Hi all! I actually think this is a great idea! I always liked the N900 formfactor. But is it technically possible? I remember somebody mention that the option modem is quite big? And if there will be a redesign the fit the gta04 to the n900 will it possible to update the specs a bit? faster cpu and stuff like that? But to be honest, i will probably not buy this device if it has the same problems the current gta04 has. (power usage and modem enumeration) and also i don't want to pay 600+ for a smartphone. But i hope if this idea takes of and there is enough interest the price will be much lower. greetings, tomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
[cut] > What do you think? Hello Dos, I think it is great showcase how open projects can benefit from synergy. However I personally am not interested in HW keyboard and I will wait until my present phone wears off, before I buy next device. -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
Hello! Short introduction, as I was rather inactive in this community recently: I'm dos, long time Openmoko supporter, owner of GTA02 and (now broken) Nokia N900. Few years ago I was quite an active developer of FSO (opimd) and SHR. Few days ago I've created website draft for GTA04. As we all know, GTA04 project has few non-technical problems. Poor demand is one of them, poor availability of parts is the second one. Those two problems together are pretty much show stoppers, cause if we fix one, the second one becomes harder. But Joerg Reisenweber came up with brilliant idea of adapting GTA04 board into N900 case. Why? - second source N900 housings are very cheap and available on eBay in big quantities -> problem with very small amount of Openmoko cases solved - there are still new spare parts floating around on free market But using N900 gives us more: - GTA04 with physical keyboard! - screen that doesn't appear to be off in full sunlight - it seems that while some people like Openmoko case (I do), most rather think "it's nice idea, but I wouldn't show up anywhere with such a brick" :( N900 case seems to be more commonly accepted by public ;) Wait, there's even more! - if done right, we can engage Maemo community and increase the demand a lot! There are LOTS of broken N900s in possession of Maemo community members due to problems with faulty USB connector and GSM modem. Many of them (owners ;)) are waiting for proper N900 successor that never came (N9 is not, and Nokia is not interested in platform anymore at all). This might be great time to merge efforts from Openmoko/OpenPhoenux and Maemo communities. Neo900 project can benefit from both of them - there will be QtMoko/SHR/Replicant on the one side (it's just modified GTA04, so running all of them should be very easy), and there will be Maemo, Meego and maybe more porting initiatives on the other side. Joerg's idea includes full port of Maemo 5 (Fremantle) to allow N900 users to have drop-in upgrade - just like now GTA04 is for GTA01/02 owners. I think that can increase interest a lot! For now we named it "Neo900" - making nods to both N900 and Openmoko roots :) I'm super excited about this idea, and it seems that I'm not the only one: Look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 You can also read logs from #maemo from yesterday and today: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-08-25.log.html https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-08-26.log.html It seems there is some interest, and that's just on Maemo side :) What do you think? -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone
On Monday, August 26, 2013 01:17:09 PM Radek Polak wrote: > > To give you a simple example: on N900 maemo you have "scanning period" in > > settings-internet, which makes device scan for WLAN APs only every 5, 10, > > ... even 30 min. This is needed since the WLAN chip cuts thru the battery > > in less than 3 hours when you constantly scan for APs. Clearly a userland > > issue where kernel can't do much. Now you can start to blame kernel WLAN > > driver for not doing proper powersaving but that won't help establish a > > decently working usable OS on N900. > > I think in case of QtMoko on GTA04 we can blame kernel/HW a little bit > more, since we are using suspend to RAM whereas N900 is always on (which > really cool btw). So while GTA04 is in standby there should be idealy just > PMU+RAM+modem turned on, everything else should be off. But something is > wrong and noone has yet figured what it is. At best there is ~16mA with > omap enable_off_mode - but then we hit "imprecise external abort" bug so > currently we have ~22mA at best. If you compare this with GTA02 or N900 > it's really bad. GTA02 is 12mA and i'd say N900 is even better. Together > with reenumerating modem it makes GTA04 barely usable even for a few > hardcore supporters but unusable for normal users. Btw you can try even with bare rootfs. E.g. Neil Brown is running very bare debian with just some custom made phone app, but the power consumption is the same - and it's quite expected because all the userspace is stopped in suspend. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Going outside - GTA04 website
+1 On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 01:15:34 +0200, Adrien Dorsaz wrote: Great job for your website ! I think, it could be good too to have a different page on GD shop for the wish lists : https://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 The actual page has a lot of informations which can be found in the GTA04 documentation already pointed by the new website proposal. So I want to suggest to point the new website on a similar shop web page, but one without so much informations and with the four wish lists (GTA04, CaseKit, Camera, Battery). The actual informations could be replaced by links on the gta04 wiki to give a better view of the wish lists. I understand that to sell some product it's important to clearly explain what is inside the product, that's why I want to keep actual page for the shop and I suggest to add another one simplified for the wish list. So, with two different page, we can modify actual new web site "interested" box by having two links : * "I want one !" : link to the actual detailed page * "Show your interest !" : link to the wish lists page Regards, Adrien PS : on both web page, they'll be the same wish list, the new one will be to just simplify the access to the wish lists. -- 不要催我!你曾經問過梵谷畫很快嗎? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Going outside - GTA04 website
Am 25.08.2013 14:40, schrieb Adolf Winterer: > Therefore I suggest that once the web site is up and running contact is > made with organizations like FSFE [1], EFF [2], FoeBuD [3] or CCC [4]. > Especially FSFE with their "free your android" campaign [5] are aware of > the openness issues. The idea is to ask for links from their pages back > to our site. Yes this is a good idea. I've already talked to the "free your android" guys from FSFE at the last LinuxTag in Berlin and they seemed to be interested in our project (whereas for the US FSF, trying to be as free as possible is not free enough). Later on they actually placed a link from their "Free your Android" campaign to the GTA04 project: https://fsfe.org/campaigns/android/ Regards, Lukas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Going outside - GTA04 website
Hi everyone, yes, we need to broaden the base. The more people know of this project, the more likely it will be that units get ordered. (Still) being an extreme niche product it is important to use contacts that can be expected to be aware of the need for freedom of hard- and software. Therefore I suggest that once the web site is up and running contact is made with organizations like FSFE [1], EFF [2], FoeBuD [3] or CCC [4]. Especially FSFE with their "free your android" campaign [5] are aware of the openness issues. The idea is to ask for links from their pages back to our site. Links: 1 http://fsfe.org/ 2 https://www.eff.org/ 3 https://www.foebud.org/ 4 http://www.ccc.de/ 5 https://fsfe.org/campaigns/android/ Additionally the phone needs to be available as a complete unit, at the very least, optionally. It does not help to have a naked board if you want to use the phone for everyday use. Think of the Raspberry Pi: You can order the naked board, but also have it with a case. In my opinion it is still a bit early to try getting it to the mainstream media. It would create false hopes or expectations and cause negative reports. Kind Regards, Adolf P.S.: I have been following the project from the very beginning with OpenMoko (FIC) through all highs and lows until now. I'd like to have a unit, but it definitely needs to be a complete unit suitable for everyday use. Throughout all the time I have never seen that this stage has been reached (PCB, GPS, discharging batteries, power management issues ...). Therefore I'm still waiting patiently. Am Samstag, 24. August 2013, 18:11:59 schrieb Lukas Märdian: > Am 24.08.2013 17:36, schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: > > I've also created quick draft by myself: > > http://dosowisko.net/gta04/ This is really neat! Thank you for your effort. > Hi Sebastian, > > just three words: This looks awesome! > > I think "About" and "Features" should be linked to some overview > information/specs in the same page design, whereas "Documentation" > should link to the GTA04 User Manual > (http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/Manual/) and "For > developers" should link to the GTA04 wiki > (http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/). > > This way people can get attracted by a nice looking, modern Homepage > and get a rough overview of what we want to supply and interested > people can dig deeper into the (really great) User Manual or search > the wiki for special topics. > > Regards, > Lukas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community] Going outside - GTA04 website
Great job for your website ! I think, it could be good too to have a different page on GD shop for the wish lists : https://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 The actual page has a lot of informations which can be found in the GTA04 documentation already pointed by the new website proposal. So I want to suggest to point the new website on a similar shop web page, but one without so much informations and with the four wish lists (GTA04, CaseKit, Camera, Battery). The actual informations could be replaced by links on the gta04 wiki to give a better view of the wish lists. I understand that to sell some product it's important to clearly explain what is inside the product, that's why I want to keep actual page for the shop and I suggest to add another one simplified for the wish list. So, with two different page, we can modify actual new web site "interested" box by having two links : * "I want one !" : link to the actual detailed page * "Show your interest !" : link to the wish lists page Regards, Adrien PS : on both web page, they'll be the same wish list, the new one will be to just simplify the access to the wish lists. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Going outside - GTA04 website
Am 24.08.2013 21:36, schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 24.08.2013 um 18:11 schrieb Lukas Märdian: Am 24.08.2013 17:36, schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: I've also created quick draft by myself: http://dosowisko.net/gta04/ Wow, that looks good! Almost like a kickstarter project page :) If can, I vote for this one to become the new website for GTA04. The first impression is the most importent one! This site is presenting only few facts. If the visitor is interested in, it should be possible to find appropriate links to more details! The actual GTA04 pages can be a little bit confusing for first time visitors. Maybe this new site is a good starting point to reanimate marketing/ publicity I hope so... -- Regards Sebastian Reinhardt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Releasing GTA04 hardware source files (was: community Digest, Vol 353, Issue 3)
Am 24.08.2013 um 22:08 schrieb Paul Wise: > For the GTA04 adapter board you are already distributing the files > that Bob Ham is asking for (AFAICT - not an EE). > > http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/42/ > > The adapter board license (CC-BY-SA) is more friendly than the GTA04 > board license (CC-BY-NC-SA). > > So I'm wondering about the difference between the two. the idea is that anyone can even use the adaptor board blueprint even commercially to allow for the best widespread use. It will be dramatically modified anyways for a real product so there is no need to restrict it in any way. For the PDF the licence is NC. But note that this licence only includes the copyright of the document. Not the board. Like you can learn from a book and use the contents. NC because it requires any commercial use to contact us. Commercial use means that someone wants to copy parts e.g. into a textbook. This does not preclude any licence and use, but allows to think to ask for some charge for the benefit of the project. Hope this explains the reasons of the different licenses. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Releasing GTA04 hardware source files (was: community Digest, Vol 353, Issue 3)
For the GTA04 adapter board you are already distributing the files that Bob Ham is asking for (AFAICT - not an EE). http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/42/ The adapter board license (CC-BY-SA) is more friendly than the GTA04 board license (CC-BY-NC-SA). So I'm wondering about the difference between the two. -- bye, pabs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Going outside - GTA04 website
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
wrote:
>
> Am 24.08.2013 um 18:11 schrieb Lukas Märdian:
>
>> Am 24.08.2013 17:36, schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
>>> I've also created quick draft by myself: http://dosowisko.net/gta04/
>
> Wow, that looks good! Almost like a kickstarter project page :)
Thanks :)
BTW, I'm constantly updating it with some details. If some of you
checked it out early, you might want to do it again. I replaced some
styles from default theme with customized ones (color of buttons
etc.), added links and other stuff like that.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Nick wrote:
> I'm not sure about the text about ethics of manufacturing - while it
> is assembled in Germany, the components are sourced from factories
> with potentially similar working conditions to other phones, they
> use materials that are sourced in horrible ways and conditions, and
> so on.
I'm aware of that and I think it's still worth mentioning. Of course
we're using parts manufactured in a way we don't have control, but
this way we can go too deep. You know, Goldelico and factory workers
may use gasoline that was extracted in bad ways to get themselves to
work ;) But at least we can ensure that what we do and what we can
control is done in ethically proper way. And that's something we can
be proud of (or, actually, Golden Delicious, as that's their
achievement ;)).
I'm more worried about suggestions for buying and ordering over the
page. We should think about describing our situation (you know, train
waiting for green lights ;)) in a way that will be informative and
true, but at the same time won't scary people ("ouch, another preorder
fraud, nothing to see here"). I have some fancy slider in mind that
would show estimated price depending on demand, but I'm open for
different ideas.
And one more thing: I'd be very grateful if some native speaker would
check what I wrote on the page. I'm not confident enough about my
English skills - they might be good enough for communication, but
probably not for marketing purposes :)
--
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos
http://dosowisko.net/
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