Re: Android open sourced

[Cédric Berger]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 06:40, Petr Vanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:35:27 +0100
> Petr Vanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (PV) wrote:
>
>>>I flashed this new image and it doesn't boot anymore.
>>>Tried with the same SD card as before, deleted the old files from the
>>>ext3 partition, and nothing. All I see is a black screen.
>>>
>>

> the image is gone from the url now. i guess some rework is being done.
>

yes, see 
http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/f7bb35d5b79850da/a68a12ba578fe676
:

Packet Video was suppressed in this image, due to codec license issue.
But the rootfs was not functional anymore. It is being reworked.

I had downloaded this rootfs and had to add libs ins /system/lib/ from
previous rootfs : libmedia_jni.so was the one missing preventing it to
start.
I do not know if others missing also would have prevented it to start
since I copied them all back (10 files libopencore*.so, and
modules/wlan.ko)

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Re: Android open sourced

[Petr Vanek]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:35:27 +0100
Petr Vanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (PV) wrote:

>>I flashed this new image and it doesn't boot anymore.
>>Tried with the same SD card as before, deleted the old files from the
>>ext3 partition, and nothing. All I see is a black screen.
>>
>
>the same for me. the partition get's mounted and some data written on
>it but the screen stays black... i get ping responses.

the image is gone from the url now. i guess some rework is being done.

Petr


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Re: Android open sourced

[Petr Vanek]

>I flashed this new image and it doesn't boot anymore.
>Tried with the same SD card as before, deleted the old files from the
>ext3 partition, and nothing. All I see is a black screen.
>

the same for me. the partition get's mounted and some data written on it
but the screen stays black... i get ping responses.

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Re: Android open sourced

[Rui Castro]

Hi,

I flashed this new image and it doesn't boot anymore.
Tried with the same SD card as before, deleted the old files from the ext3
partition, and nothing. All I see is a black screen.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Tomas Riveros Schober
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> anyone knows where is the changelog for this new image?
> i couldn't find it anywhere.
>
> abatrour escribió:
> > A new rootfs has been released.
> > http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/
> >
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Re: Android open sourced

[Tomas Riveros Schober]

anyone knows where is the changelog for this new image?
i couldn't find it anywhere.

abatrour escribió:
> A new rootfs has been released. 
> http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/
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Re: Android open sourced

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A new rootfs has been released. 
http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/
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Re: Android open sourced

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Martin Vyšný wrote:
> Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
> http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
> 
> http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3

For those that don't read the kernel ML, there are new kernel/rootfs
images in the Sean's space.
They fix the glamo page-flip issue (only?) [1], [2]:
 - http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/


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http://n2.nabble.com/-PATCH--Add-page-flipping-support-to-glamo-tp1479826p1479826.html

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Re: [android] Re: Android open sourced

[Alastair Johnson]

Petr Vanek wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:35:59 +
> Alastair Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> (AJ) wrote:
> 
>>> Advice in OM community is to use ext2 on SD cards. Can Android cope
>>> with this? Also, can it cope with only one partition?
>> The /init.rc in the android image calls:
>>  mount ext3 /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 /data nosuid nodev
>> So you will need ext3 on that partition, or you will need to edit that 
>> line in init.rc.
>>
>> The advice to use ext2 is based on deep seated but outdated fears
>> about the limited write life of flash devices. I say this having used
>> ext3 for rootfs on CF cards for several years with no ill effects.
> 
> 
> how do you change/see this, can you ssh into android (i can only ping
> it) or did you mount and alter the image before uploading?

I have FSO and SHR bootable from the flash card, so I boot into one of 
those then:
mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock6 /media/cf
vi /media/cf/init.rc

I've changed the mounted partition to mmcblk0p3 in mine to stop it 
writing data all over my FSO rootfs.

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[android] Re: Android open sourced

[Petr Vanek]

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:35:59 +
Alastair Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(AJ) wrote:

>> Advice in OM community is to use ext2 on SD cards. Can Android cope
>> with this? Also, can it cope with only one partition?
>
>The /init.rc in the android image calls:
>   mount ext3 /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 /data nosuid nodev
>So you will need ext3 on that partition, or you will need to edit that 
>line in init.rc.
>
>The advice to use ext2 is based on deep seated but outdated fears
>about the limited write life of flash devices. I say this having used
>ext3 for rootfs on CF cards for several years with no ill effects.


how do you change/see this, can you ssh into android (i can only ping
it) or did you mount and alter the image before uploading?


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Re: Android open sourced

[William Kenworthy]

On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 10:35 +, Alastair Johnson wrote:
> Pander wrote:
> > On Wed, November 5, 2008 08:17, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
...
> > 
> > Advice in OM community is to use ext2 on SD cards. Can Android cope with
> > this? Also, can it cope with only one partition?
> 
> The /init.rc in the android image calls:
>   mount ext3 /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 /data nosuid nodev
> So you will need ext3 on that partition, or you will need to edit that 
> line in init.rc.
> 
> The advice to use ext2 is based on deep seated but outdated fears about 
> the limited write life of flash devices. I say this having used ext3 for 
> rootfs on CF cards for several years with no ill effects.
> 
...
and in my experience, ext2 is even more fragile than vfat (had both on
the same card) and collects errors.  Just moved them to ext3 an hour ago
to see if that improves matters (sandisk 8G)

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Re: Android open sourced

[Alastair Johnson]

Pander wrote:
> On Wed, November 5, 2008 08:17, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
>> abatrour wrote:
>>> OMG it works!
>>> I was having the same problem with a black screen after the white flash.
>>> I tried formatting the sd card as ext3 and it didn't work. But it worked
>>> after i made 2 partitions, both ext3.
>>>
>>> i am using the latest uboot on my gta2v5
>> As I tried-
>>
>> * Must have a SD card inside the FR during Android boot, or it will just
>> keep black (with backlight on).
>>
>> * The SD card format also required 2 partitions (first primary partition
>> vfat/ext3 seems both work, second primary using ext3).
>>
>> My current Android setting is using the default 512 MB SD card comes
>> with FreeRunner, 8MB for vfat, rest is using ext3.
> 
> Advice in OM community is to use ext2 on SD cards. Can Android cope with
> this? Also, can it cope with only one partition?

The /init.rc in the android image calls:
mount ext3 /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 /data nosuid nodev
So you will need ext3 on that partition, or you will need to edit that 
line in init.rc.

The advice to use ext2 is based on deep seated but outdated fears about 
the limited write life of flash devices. I say this having used ext3 for 
rootfs on CF cards for several years with no ill effects.

> Can it Android be more flexible regarding this and print messages when one
> of the (implicit) requirements is not being met?
> 
>> Tony Tu
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Re: Android open sourced

[Pander]

On Wed, November 5, 2008 08:17, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
> abatrour wrote:
>> OMG it works!
>> I was having the same problem with a black screen after the white flash.
>> I tried formatting the sd card as ext3 and it didn't work. But it worked
>> after i made 2 partitions, both ext3.
>>
>> i am using the latest uboot on my gta2v5
>
> As I tried-
>
> * Must have a SD card inside the FR during Android boot, or it will just
> keep black (with backlight on).
>
> * The SD card format also required 2 partitions (first primary partition
> vfat/ext3 seems both work, second primary using ext3).
>
> My current Android setting is using the default 512 MB SD card comes
> with FreeRunner, 8MB for vfat, rest is using ext3.

Advice in OM community is to use ext2 on SD cards. Can Android cope with
this? Also, can it cope with only one partition?

Can it Android be more flexible regarding this and print messages when one
of the (implicit) requirements is not being met?

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Re: Android open sourced

[Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)]

abatrour wrote:
> OMG it works!
> I was having the same problem with a black screen after the white flash.
> I tried formatting the sd card as ext3 and it didn't work. But it worked
> after i made 2 partitions, both ext3.
> 
> i am using the latest uboot on my gta2v5

As I tried-

* Must have a SD card inside the FR during Android boot, or it will just
keep black (with backlight on).

* The SD card format also required 2 partitions (first primary partition
vfat/ext3 seems both work, second primary using ext3).

My current Android setting is using the default 512 MB SD card comes
with FreeRunner, 8MB for vfat, rest is using ext3.

Tony Tu

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Re: Android open sourced

[abatrour]

OMG it works!
I was having the same problem with a black screen after the white flash.
I tried formatting the sd card as ext3 and it didn't work. But it worked
after i made 2 partitions, both ext3.

i am using the latest uboot on my gta2v5
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Re: RFC: split away 'open sourced' Android in a new mailing list (was: Re: Android open sourced)

[Warren Baird]

+1 for prefixing with [android] --- treat it like any other distro...

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Neil Jerram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> 2008/11/4 Matthias Apitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Maybe it is worth to split away this 'open sourced' Android to its own
> > mailing list to not flood the users of a free software project with
> > this Google stuff?
>
> Just my personal view...  I disagree.  I'm not much interested in the
> Android option, but I'd still prefer if the emails about it were on
> this list, so I can keep half an eye on them as they flow by.
>
> Regards,
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Re: RFC: split away 'open sourced' Android in a new mailing list (was: Re: Android open sourced)

[Neil Jerram]

2008/11/4 Matthias Apitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hello,
>
> Maybe it is worth to split away this 'open sourced' Android to its own
> mailing list to not flood the users of a free software project with
> this Google stuff?

Just my personal view...  I disagree.  I'm not much interested in the
Android option, but I'd still prefer if the emails about it were on
this list, so I can keep half an eye on them as they flow by.

Regards,
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Re: RFC: split away 'open sourced' Android in a new mailing list (was: Re: Android open sourced)

[Marcel]

Am Tuesday 04 November 2008 17:17:28 schrieb Jim Ancona:
> Marcel wrote:
> > At least it's not as open as it could be.
> > (Of course this is Google's software and their decision, but I don't
> > think Android is as open as in free software.)
>
> By what definition of "free software" does Android not qualify?

Arr, I should have thought a minute more about what I was writing. I mean 
Google's backdoors to ban unwanted software without asking the user about it 
and such. Dunno about GPLv3, but this does not interfere with the freedom of 
the software... btw, one could remove that "feature". :X
So in the end it's my definition of free software that it does not comply 
with. :)

> > Another suggestion: treat Android like every other distro - prefix
> > threads with [android] and we can filter ourselves.
>
> Agree.

In action.

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Re: Re: Android open sourced

[Matthew Lane]

I've flashed the android rootfs and uImage and I'm unable to get a 
boot.  I'm using the daily build u-boot and I've tried with 8GB uSD 
ultra ii and regular.  Both result in a blank screen after the white flash.


KaZeR wrote:

David Samblas a écrit :

El mar, 04-11-2008 a las 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger escribió:
  

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 15:43, Eildert Groeneveld
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Denis Galvão wrote:
  

Could you send us your u-boot version?


its todays download from the daily build:

 gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K

  

Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.

(And I am updating to latest now)

Note that I just tried booting from NOR u-boot and it goes to black screen.



Still no luck here :(
from http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
dfu-util   04-Nov-2008 01:46
gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin  04-Nov-2008 01:46

from http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/
androidfs.jffs2 04-Nov-2008 12:05 
uImage-android  04-Nov-2008 12:13


tested with all uSD and sim combination possible

please try to upload this working u-boot image anywhere let me know if you need 
a place.

  



Works (boot) here :
uboot 1.3.2-moko12 may 9 2008 10:28:48

Flashed like any other distro,
With a 4Gb usd card :
 /dev/sdb1   1 2457832b  W95 FAT32
 /dev/sdb2 246  124880 3988320   83  Linux

I booted with SD (worked) then without SD (failed) then with SD and a 
new SIM (works).
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Re: RFC: split away 'open sourced' Android in a new mailing list (was: Re: Android open sourced)

[Jim Ancona]

Marcel wrote:
> At least it's not as open as it could be.
> (Of course this is Google's software and their decision, but I don't think  
> Android is as open as in free software.)

By what definition of "free software" does Android not qualify?

> Another suggestion: treat Android like every other distro - prefix threads 
> with [android] and we can filter ourselves.

Agree.

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Re: Android open sourced

[Marcel]

Hello android folks :)
Could you please prefix your mails with [android] to enable others to filter 
android related mails?

Thank you,
Marcel

Am Tuesday 04 November 2008 17:03:05 schrieb Quasar:
> It works fine on my FR too, although I faced a problem that might have to
> do with why it's not working sometimes: when I first started Android, it
> detected that my battery was empty (I'm pretty sure it's not) and
> immediately shut down, I tried connecting it to the charger and starting it
> again, and it worked.
>
> A couple of things to note though:
> 1. As mentioned previously, the call volume is too low.
> 2. Even with the FR charging, it continued to detect the battery level at
> 0%, so once I disconnected the charger, the FR shut down immediately.
> 3. I'm not sure if Android has a suspend capability, but looking through
> the settings didn't yield anything, so any feedback regarding this matter
> would be highly appreciated.
>
> This is a first release, and problems with (or lack of) features of less
> importance such as Wifi, and GPS, are naturally expected. But so far, I
> think I like the platform as a whole :-)
>
> Thank you Sean, great work...



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Re: Android open sourced

[Alastair Johnson]

KaZeR wrote:
> David Samblas a écrit :
>> El mar, 04-11-2008 a las 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger escribió:
>>   
>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 15:43, Eildert Groeneveld
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 
 On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Denis Galvão wrote:
   
> Could you send us your u-boot version?
> 
 its todays download from the daily build:

  gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K

   
>>> Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.
>>>
>>> (And I am updating to latest now)
>>>
>>> Note that I just tried booting from NOR u-boot and it goes to black 
>>> screen.
>>>
>>> 
>> Still no luck here :(
>> from http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
>> dfu-util   04-Nov-2008 01:46
>> gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin  04-Nov-2008 01:46
>>
>> from http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/
>> androidfs.jffs2 04-Nov-2008 12:05 
>> uImage-android  04-Nov-2008 12:13
>>
>> tested with all uSD and sim combination possible
>>
>> please try to upload this working u-boot image anywhere let me know if you 
>> need a place.
>>
>>   
> 
> 
> Works (boot) here :
> uboot 1.3.2-moko12 may 9 2008 10:28:48
> 
> Flashed like any other distro,
> With a 4Gb usd card :
>  /dev/sdb1   1 2457832b  W95 FAT32
>  /dev/sdb2 246  124880 3988320   83  Linux
> 
> I booted with SD (worked) then without SD (failed) then with SD and a 
> new SIM (works).

You will need an ext3 partition on mmcblk0p2 which will get a load of 
stuff written to it. I just had to clean the bits it wrote out of my FSO 
rootfs that was on that partition :-( I've changed it to mmcblk0p3 in 
/init.rc on mine now.

If it won't boot any more at some point it seems to be because of 
something stored in this partition. Wipe out that data and it should 
boot again.

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Re: Android open sourced

[Quasar]

It works fine on my FR too, although I faced a problem that might have to do
with why it's not working sometimes: when I first started Android, it
detected that my battery was empty (I'm pretty sure it's not) and
immediately shut down, I tried connecting it to the charger and starting it
again, and it worked.

A couple of things to note though:
1. As mentioned previously, the call volume is too low.
2. Even with the FR charging, it continued to detect the battery level at
0%, so once I disconnected the charger, the FR shut down immediately.
3. I'm not sure if Android has a suspend capability, but looking through the
settings didn't yield anything, so any feedback regarding this matter would
be highly appreciated.

This is a first release, and problems with (or lack of) features of less
importance such as Wifi, and GPS, are naturally expected. But so far, I
think I like the platform as a whole :-)

Thank you Sean, great work...
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Re: RFC: split away 'open sourced' Android in a new mailing list (was: Re: Android open sourced)

[Marcel]

At least it's not as open as it could be.
(Of course this is Google's software and their decision, but I don't think  
Android is as open as in free software.)

Another suggestion: treat Android like every other distro - prefix threads 
with [android] and we can filter ourselves.

-Marcel

Am Tuesday 04 November 2008 15:54:08 schrieb Denis Galvão:
> What Android is for you? A closed software?
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> >
> > Just my RFC
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Re: Android open sourced

[Valerio Valerio]

2008/11/4 Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 16:28, Valerio Valerio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The problem should be in the uSd card, some guys in the IRC successfully
> > boot android with the default u-boot from may 08, and all only can do
> that
> > with the usd card inserted.
> >
> > One of them have this partitions on a 4gb card:
> > /dev/sdb1   1 2457832b  W95 FAT32
> > /dev/sdb2 246  124880 3988320   83  Linux
> >
> > Thanks to .
>
>
> Yes if I try without SD card, I stay with a black screen (but not shut
> off, backlight is on).
> And with SD card, I can boot (but, now, just to get the immediate
> "shutting down")
>
> My SD card is 8Gb : 4gb FAT with data and some uImage.bin, 1gb ext3,
> 512 ext3... and others ext3 partitions (can't remember :-p )


It seems that the secret is a SD card with a ext3 partition :)

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Re: Android open sourced

[Cédric Berger]

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 16:28, Valerio Valerio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> The problem should be in the uSd card, some guys in the IRC successfully
> boot android with the default u-boot from may 08, and all only can do that
> with the usd card inserted.
>
> One of them have this partitions on a 4gb card:
> /dev/sdb1   1 2457832b  W95 FAT32
> /dev/sdb2 246  124880 3988320   83  Linux
>
> Thanks to .


Yes if I try without SD card, I stay with a black screen (but not shut
off, backlight is on).
And with SD card, I can boot (but, now, just to get the immediate
"shutting down")

My SD card is 8Gb : 4gb FAT with data and some uImage.bin, 1gb ext3,
512 ext3... and others ext3 partitions (can't remember :-p )

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Re: Android open sourced

[Benedikt Bär]

On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 15:28 +, Valerio Valerio wrote:
> 
> 
> 2008/11/4 Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 16:08, Benedikt Bär <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger wrote:
> 
> >> Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.
> > Hey Cédric,
> >
> > Do you still have that version around? Could you send it to
> us?
> > (please :P)
> >
> 
> 
> mmm... not sure were it can be...
> 
> But I now have flashed latest from
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
> (it still shows 23 sept. on uboot menu)
> It worked ok too... could boot at least twice.
> 
> ... but after playing a while, my phone shut off suddenly (I
> had just
> selected "select network automatically" for GSM, searching was
> running...).
> And now I cannot boot successfully anymore (sometimes it shuts
> down
> quite early during boot, sometimes just after android booting
> screen).
> Just like if there was not enough battery...
> I was running connected to usb (but on windows, not
> recognized, so
> probably 100mA max).
> Though booting into qtextended I can see that battery is about
> 50% 
> 
> (and trying to boot without SIM gave same result now, shut
> down soon
> after android booting screen)
>  
> The problem should be in the uSd card, some guys in the IRC
> successfully boot android with the default u-boot from may 08, and all
> only can do that with the usd card inserted.
> 
> One of them have this partitions on a 4gb card:
> /dev/sdb1   1 2457832b  W95 FAT32
> /dev/sdb2 246  124880 3988320   83  Linux

Hmm... I do have a 2GB uSD card inserted, which should have about the
same layout, only with different sizes...

Cheers,
Benedikt

> 
> Thanks to .
> 
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Re: Android open sourced

[KaZeR]

David Samblas a écrit :

El mar, 04-11-2008 a las 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger escribió:
  

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 15:43, Eildert Groeneveld
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Denis Galvão wrote:
  

Could you send us your u-boot version?


its todays download from the daily build:

 gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K

  

Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.

(And I am updating to latest now)

Note that I just tried booting from NOR u-boot and it goes to black screen.



Still no luck here :(
from http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
dfu-util   04-Nov-2008 01:46
gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin  04-Nov-2008 01:46

from http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/
androidfs.jffs2 04-Nov-2008 12:05 
uImage-android  04-Nov-2008 12:13


tested with all uSD and sim combination possible

please try to upload this working u-boot image anywhere let me know if you need 
a place.

  



Works (boot) here :
uboot 1.3.2-moko12 may 9 2008 10:28:48

Flashed like any other distro,
With a 4Gb usd card :
/dev/sdb1   1 2457832b  W95 FAT32
/dev/sdb2 246  124880 3988320   83  Linux

I booted with SD (worked) then without SD (failed) then with SD and a 
new SIM (works).
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Re: Android open sourced

[Martin Vyšný]

On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 14:50 +0100, Cédric Berger wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 14:39, Denis Galvão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Are you running on Freerunner?
> >
> 
> yes. One from the first production batchs.
> just flashed it via dfu-util (from windows).
> 
> I have a 8gb SD card inserted (and detected by android)
> 
> It looks not so bad ! I could phone my voicemail (sound level too low though).
> But I cannot set up USB networking (here I am under windows and it
> detects "ethernet gadget" but cannot install driver), though it worked
> with other distros.
> 
> So I cannot try now any online stuff...
> 
> I tried detecting wifi network (anyway I have only encrypted network
> at reach for now), but it looks like it cannot dectect any : "Unable
> to scan for networks".
> 

Hi Cédric,
Can you please check if there is a way to install an APK application to
Android running on FR? Is there some kind of an Installer? It seems that
the phone is completely offline (no wifi, no usb connection)... can the
Installer install APK located on a SD card? Can you use adb?
Sorry to spam you with so much questions :)
Sincerely,
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Re: Android open sourced

[Cédric Berger]

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 16:19, Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And now I cannot boot successfully anymore (sometimes it shuts down
> quite early during boot, sometimes just after android booting screen).
> Just like if there was not enough battery...
> I was running connected to usb (but on windows, not recognized, so
> probably 100mA max).
> Though booting into qtextended I can see that battery is about 50% 
>
> (and trying to boot without SIM gave same result now, shut down soon
> after android booting screen)
>

Maybe Android believe there not enough battery ?
I got it charged to 62%, then booted again it got to android were
it immediatly showed a popup "shutting down".. and shut down.

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Re: Android open sourced

[Benedikt Bär]

On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 16:19 +0100, Cédric Berger wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 16:08, Benedikt Bär <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger wrote:
> >> Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.
> > Hey Cédric,
> >
> > Do you still have that version around? Could you send it to us?
> > (please :P)
> >
> 
> mmm... not sure were it can be...
> 
> But I now have flashed latest from
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
> (it still shows 23 sept. on uboot menu)
> It worked ok too... could boot at least twice.

Hmm, I flashed exact the same uboot file, and I get Nov 4 in the u-boot
screen. Maybe you have flashed it to either NAND or NOR and you were
booting from the other...

In that case, you could use dfu-util to download this uboot version :)

Cheers,
Benedikt 

> 
> ... but after playing a while, my phone shut off suddenly (I had just
> selected "select network automatically" for GSM, searching was
> running...).
> And now I cannot boot successfully anymore (sometimes it shuts down
> quite early during boot, sometimes just after android booting screen).
> Just like if there was not enough battery...
> I was running connected to usb (but on windows, not recognized, so
> probably 100mA max).
> Though booting into qtextended I can see that battery is about 50% 
> 
> (and trying to boot without SIM gave same result now, shut down soon
> after android booting screen)


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Re: Android open sourced

[Valerio Valerio]

2008/11/4 Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 16:08, Benedikt Bär <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger wrote:
> >> Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.
> > Hey Cédric,
> >
> > Do you still have that version around? Could you send it to us?
> > (please :P)
> >
>
> mmm... not sure were it can be...
>
> But I now have flashed latest from
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
> (it still shows 23 sept. on uboot menu)
> It worked ok too... could boot at least twice.
>
> ... but after playing a while, my phone shut off suddenly (I had just
> selected "select network automatically" for GSM, searching was
> running...).
> And now I cannot boot successfully anymore (sometimes it shuts down
> quite early during boot, sometimes just after android booting screen).
> Just like if there was not enough battery...
> I was running connected to usb (but on windows, not recognized, so
> probably 100mA max).
> Though booting into qtextended I can see that battery is about 50% 
>
> (and trying to boot without SIM gave same result now, shut down soon
> after android booting screen)


The problem should be in the uSd card, some guys in the IRC successfully
boot android with the default u-boot from may 08, and all only can do that
with the usd card inserted.

One of them have this partitions on a 4gb card:
/dev/sdb1   1 2457832b  W95 FAT32
/dev/sdb2 246  124880 3988320   83  Linux

Thanks to .

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Re: Android open sourced

[Cédric Berger]

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 16:08, Benedikt Bär <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger wrote:
>> Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.
> Hey Cédric,
>
> Do you still have that version around? Could you send it to us?
> (please :P)
>

mmm... not sure were it can be...

But I now have flashed latest from
http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
(it still shows 23 sept. on uboot menu)
It worked ok too... could boot at least twice.

... but after playing a while, my phone shut off suddenly (I had just
selected "select network automatically" for GSM, searching was
running...).
And now I cannot boot successfully anymore (sometimes it shuts down
quite early during boot, sometimes just after android booting screen).
Just like if there was not enough battery...
I was running connected to usb (but on windows, not recognized, so
probably 100mA max).
Though booting into qtextended I can see that battery is about 50% 

(and trying to boot without SIM gave same result now, shut down soon
after android booting screen)

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Re: Android open sourced

[David Samblas]

El mar, 04-11-2008 a las 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger escribió:
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 15:43, Eildert Groeneveld
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Denis Galvão wrote:
> >> Could you send us your u-boot version?
> > its todays download from the daily build:
> >
> >  gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K
> >
> 
> Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.
> 
> (And I am updating to latest now)
> 
> Note that I just tried booting from NOR u-boot and it goes to black 
> screen.
> 
Still no luck here :(
from http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
dfu-util   04-Nov-2008 01:46
gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin  04-Nov-2008 01:46

from http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/
androidfs.jffs2 04-Nov-2008 12:05 
uImage-android  04-Nov-2008 12:13

tested with all uSD and sim combination possible

please try to upload this working u-boot image anywhere let me know if you need 
a place.

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Re: Android open sourced

[Benedikt Bär]

On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 15:48 +0100, Cédric Berger wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 15:43, Eildert Groeneveld
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Denis Galvão wrote:
> >> Could you send us your u-boot version?
> > its todays download from the daily build:
> >
> >  gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K
> >
> 
> Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.
> 

Hey Cédric,

Do you still have that version around? Could you send it to us?
(please :P)

Cheers,
Benedikt

> (And I am updating to latest now)
> 
> Note that I just tried booting from NOR u-boot and it goes to black 
> screen.
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Re: Android open sourced

[Pander]

Could someone list all the relevant URLs here
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Images

Thanks

On Tue, November 4, 2008 14:58, Thomas Bertani wrote:
> I got it working too. Black screen but if you wait 2 minutes it runs
>
> 2008/11/4 Eildert Groeneveld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> black screen, with and without SIM card.
>> Cedrid, what did you do to get it going?
>>
>> This is a FR, first batch.
>>
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Re: Android open sourced

[Thomas Pérennou]

Hello list,
Mine u-boot is also the latest
gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K
and I have got black screen to...

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2008/11/4 Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 15:43, Eildert Groeneveld
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Denis Galvão wrote:
> >> Could you send us your u-boot version?
> > its todays download from the daily build:
> >
> >  gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K
> >
>
> Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.
>
> (And I am updating to latest now)
>
> Note that I just tried booting from NOR u-boot and it goes to black
> screen.
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Re: RFC: split away 'open sourced' Android in a new mailing list (was: Re: Android open sourced)

[Denis Galvão]

What Android is for you? A closed software?

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On 04/11/2008, at 12:50, Matthias Apitz wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> Maybe it is worth to split away this 'open sourced' Android to its own
> mailing list to not flood the users of a free software project with
> this Google stuff?
>
> Just my RFC
>
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[Matthias Apitz]

Hello,

Maybe it is worth to split away this 'open sourced' Android to its own
mailing list to not flood the users of a free software project with
this Google stuff?

Just my RFC

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Re: Android open sourced

[Cédric Berger]

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 15:43, Eildert Groeneveld
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Denis Galvão wrote:
>> Could you send us your u-boot version?
> its todays download from the daily build:
>
>  gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K
>

Mine (working ok) was 23 sept.

(And I am updating to latest now)

Note that I just tried booting from NOR u-boot and it goes to black screen.

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Re: Android open sourced

[Eildert Groeneveld]

On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Denis Galvão wrote:
> Could you send us your u-boot version?
its todays download from the daily build:

 gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   04-Nov-2008 01:46  211K  

what about the lowlevel?
gta02v5_and_up-lowlevel.bin 04-Nov-2008 01:46  308   
Eildert

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Re: Android open sourced

[Denis Galvão]

Could you send us your u-boot version?

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On 04/11/2008, at 12:00, Cédric Berger wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 14:55, Eildert Groeneveld
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> black screen, with and without SIM card.
>> Cedrid, what did you do to get it going?
>>
>> This is a FR, first batch.
>>
>
> Just flashed downloaded kernel to NAND (dfu-util -a kernel -R -D
> uImage-android),
> then rootfs (dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D androidfs.jffs2)
>
> my u-boot is about 3 weeks old as I can remember...
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Re: Android open sourced

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> I have no numbers, but looks like total boot time is not longer than
> with other distros.
>

on my FR it boots in 70 seconds ca.

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Re: Android open sourced

[Cédric Berger]

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 14:59, Hire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Do you get a black screen when FR boots?
> How much time gets fr to boot?
>

I get a black screen, but not for long. Then there is a booting screen
with "android" and two robots...

I have no numbers, but looks like total boot time is not longer than
with other distros.

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Re: Android open sourced

[Eildert Groeneveld]

On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Cédric Berger wrote:
> my u-boot is about 3 weeks old as I can remember...
ok, that may be the (a) difference

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Re: Android open sourced

[Cédric Berger]

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 14:55, Eildert Groeneveld
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> black screen, with and without SIM card.
> Cedrid, what did you do to get it going?
>
> This is a FR, first batch.
>

Just flashed downloaded kernel to NAND (dfu-util -a kernel -R -D
uImage-android),
 then rootfs (dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D androidfs.jffs2)

my u-boot is about 3 weeks old as I can remember...

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Re: Android open sourced

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Cédric Berger wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 14:16, Denis Galvão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Same here, but I can ping 192.168.0.202.
>>
> 
> It worked for me !
> I can reach main menu, launch apps...
> 
> note that here I started without SIM card... will try with it...
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Do you get a black screen when FR boots?
How much time gets fr to boot?
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Re: Android open sourced

[Thomas Bertani]

I got it working too. Black screen but if you wait 2 minutes it runs

2008/11/4 Eildert Groeneveld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> Cedrid, what did you do to get it going?
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> This is a FR, first batch.
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Re: Android open sourced

[Eildert Groeneveld]

black screen, with and without SIM card.
Cedrid, what did you do to get it going?

This is a FR, first batch.



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Re: Android open sourced

[Cédric Berger]

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 14:39, Denis Galvão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are you running on Freerunner?
>

yes. One from the first production batchs.
just flashed it via dfu-util (from windows).

I have a 8gb SD card inserted (and detected by android)

It looks not so bad ! I could phone my voicemail (sound level too low though).
But I cannot set up USB networking (here I am under windows and it
detects "ethernet gadget" but cannot install driver), though it worked
with other distros.

So I cannot try now any online stuff...

I tried detecting wifi network (anyway I have only encrypted network
at reach for now), but it looks like it cannot dectect any : "Unable
to scan for networks".

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Re: Android open sourced

[Denis Galvão]

Are you running on Freerunner?

Ate least the kernel is up.

NMAP give me:

SCRIPT ENGINE: Initiating script scanning.
Host openmoko (192.168.0.202) appears to be up ... good.
Interesting ports on openmoko (192.168.0.202):
Not shown: 999 closed ports
PORT STATE SERVICE  VERSION
/tcp open  freeciv?
MAC Address: 62:29:80:2A:1F:94 (Unknown)
Device type: general purpose
Running: Linux 2.6.X
OS details: Linux 2.6.13 - 2.6.20
Uptime guess: 0.015 days (since Tue Nov  4 11:10:43 2008)
Network Distance: 1 hop
TCP Sequence Prediction: Difficulty=201 (Good luck!)
IP ID Sequence Generation: All zeros



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On 04/11/2008, at 11:23, Cédric Berger wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 14:16, Denis Galvão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>> Same here, but I can ping 192.168.0.202.
>>
>
> It worked for me !
> I can reach main menu, launch apps...
>
> note that here I started without SIM card... will try with it...
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Re: Android open sourced

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On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 14:16, Denis Galvão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Same here, but I can ping 192.168.0.202.
>

It worked for me !
I can reach main menu, launch apps...

note that here I started without SIM card... will try with it...

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Re: Android open sourced

[Denis Galvão]

Same here, but I can ping 192.168.0.202.

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On 04/11/2008, at 10:57, David Samblas wrote:

> El mar, 04-11-2008 a las 04:46 -0800, Hire escribió:
>>
>>
>> Cédric Berger wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 16:58, Martin Vyšný <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
 http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#

 http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3

>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, thanks to Sean first image is online !
>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
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>>
>> On a FR doesn't work, I see only a black screen.
>
> After more than 6 mins I can confirm that only a black screen  
> appears :(
>
> I know google was minimalistic but this is al little bit  
> exagerated :),
> just kidding :)
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Re: Android open sourced

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On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 16:58, Martin Vyšný <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
> >
> http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
> >
> > http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
> >
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
> >
>
>
> Ok, thanks to Sean first image is online !
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
>
> Seeing as the rootfs image is only 32 MB, what are its current features?
What works and has been tested?  Some screenshots would be nice.
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Re: Android open sourced

[Denis Galvão]

Flashing...
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On 04/11/2008, at 10:33, Cédric Berger wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 16:58, Martin Vyšný <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
>> http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
>>
>> http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
>>
>
>
> Ok, thanks to Sean first image is online !
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
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Re: Android open sourced

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El mar, 04-11-2008 a las 04:46 -0800, Hire escribió:
> 
> 
> Cédric Berger wrote:
> > 
> > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 16:58, Martin Vyšný <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
> >>
> >> http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
> >>
> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > Ok, thanks to Sean first image is online !
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
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> > 
> 
> On a FR doesn't work, I see only a black screen.

After more than 6 mins I can confirm that only a black screen appears :(

I know google was minimalistic but this is al little bit exagerated :),
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Re: Android open sourced

[Hire]

Cédric Berger wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 16:58, Martin Vyšný <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
>> http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
>>
>> http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
>>
> 
> 
> Ok, thanks to Sean first image is online !
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
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Re: Android open sourced

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El mar, 04-11-2008 a las 13:33 +0100, Cédric Berger escribió:
> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 16:58, Martin Vyšný <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
> > http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
> >
> > http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
> >
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
> >
> 
> 
> Ok, thanks to Sean first image is online !
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3

NAND on fire! I'm already flashing right now :)
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Re: Android open sourced

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On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 16:58, Martin Vyšný <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
> http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
>
> http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
>


Ok, thanks to Sean first image is online !
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3

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Re: Android open sourced

[David Samblas]

not yet
El lun, 03-11-2008 a las 08:35 +0100, Leonti Bielski escribió:
> What about the input method?
> Does it have a virtual keyboard of some kind?
> Leonti
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Re: Android open sourced

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What about the input method?
Does it have a virtual keyboard of some kind?
Leonti

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Re: Android open sourced

[Stefan Monnier]

IIUC it doesn't use X11.  But can it run in one virtual console while
X11 runs in another?


Stefan


PS: Waiting for it to appear in Debian.


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Re: Android open sourced

[David Samblas]

El dom, 02-11-2008 a las 17:42 +0100, Franky Van Liedekerke escribió:
> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:58:58 +0100
> Martin Vyšný <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:55 -0400, Jim Ancona wrote:
> > > Peter Neubauer wrote:
> > > > Thanks for the fast reply,
> > > > will keep an eye on that!
> > > 
> > > Some more links:
> > > 
> > > Ben Leslie's blog:
> > > http://benno.id.au/blog/
> > > 
> > > Google's android-porting mailing list: 
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting
> > > 
> > > Jim
> > > 
> > 
> > Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
> > http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
> > 
> > http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
> > 
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
> > 
> > vyzivus
> > 
> 
> Is the koolu version any different or not? I'm looking at the screens
> on http://koolu.com/ and it seems cool ...
> 
> Franky

Waiting for that image to be published too :)
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Re: Android open sourced

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On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 17:42 +0100, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:58:58 +0100
> Martin Vyšný <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:55 -0400, Jim Ancona wrote:
> > > Peter Neubauer wrote:
> > > > Thanks for the fast reply,
> > > > will keep an eye on that!
> > > 
> > > Some more links:
> > > 
> > > Ben Leslie's blog:
> > > http://benno.id.au/blog/
> > > 
> > > Google's android-porting mailing list: 
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting
> > > 
> > > Jim
> > > 
> > 
> > Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
> > http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
> > 
> > http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
> > 
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
> > 
> > vyzivus
> > 
> 
> Is the koolu version any different or not? I'm looking at the screens
> on http://koolu.com/ and it seems cool ...
> 
> Franky
> 

I don't know, I haven't seen it yet. I'm waiting for somebody to build
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Re: Android open sourced

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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:58:58 +0100
Martin Vyšný <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:55 -0400, Jim Ancona wrote:
> > Peter Neubauer wrote:
> > > Thanks for the fast reply,
> > > will keep an eye on that!
> > 
> > Some more links:
> > 
> > Ben Leslie's blog:
> > http://benno.id.au/blog/
> > 
> > Google's android-porting mailing list: 
> > http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> 
> Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
> http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#
> 
> http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
> 
> vyzivus
> 

Is the koolu version any different or not? I'm looking at the screens
on http://koolu.com/ and it seems cool ...

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Re: Android open sourced

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> Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)

where are the image's download link?

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Re: Android open sourced

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On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:55 -0400, Jim Ancona wrote:
> Peter Neubauer wrote:
> > Thanks for the fast reply,
> > will keep an eye on that!
> 
> Some more links:
> 
> Ben Leslie's blog:
> http://benno.id.au/blog/
> 
> Google's android-porting mailing list: 
> http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting
> 
> Jim
> 

Port done. Somebody build the images! :-)
http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/7be8ec2e4dae9fd6#

http://benno.id.au/images/android_on_neo1973.jpg

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3

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Re: Android open sourced

[Jim Ancona]

Peter Neubauer wrote:
> Thanks for the fast reply,
> will keep an eye on that!

Some more links:

Ben Leslie's blog:
http://benno.id.au/blog/

Google's android-porting mailing list: 
http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting

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Re: Android open sourced

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Thanks for the fast reply,
will keep an eye on that!

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On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:34 AM, nick d. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sign up to Koolu's forum [1] and see what's going on there. Cfriedt also has
> a spreadsheet of progress that seems to have been updated frequently [2].
> Last time I check there were a few to go but now, not so much. See also [3].
>
> Nick
>
> 1. http://forum.koolu.org/
> 2. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pzDEXnU19gkeTjpD28t-7fw
> 3. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android
>
>
> See also:
>
> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1361683
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Peter Neubauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi there,
>> is there any progress on the porting of Android to the FR yet? Are
>> updates posted to this list, since it seems pretty quite around the
>> port?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
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>>
>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Jan Prinsloo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > WHO :)
>> >
>> > Let the games begin!
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Sam Kuper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 2008/10/21 Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> >>> time to port to Neo !
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Re: Android open sourced

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On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:53 PM, KaZeR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Joerg Lippmann a écrit :
>
> Am Mittwoch 22 Oktober 2008 schrieb Lorn Potter:
>
>
>  Jim Morris wrote:
>
>
>  Lorn Potter wrote:
>
>
>  Jim Morris wrote:
>
>
>  Cédric Berger wrote:
>
>
>  Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will
> always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected.
>
>
>  Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less stable
> than the previous version.
>
>
>  We all were. The truth is, 4.4.1 was pushed out before it was ready. But it
> couldn't be helped.
>
>
>  Wouldn't it be great to release an intermediate version soon, in which the
> most severe UI-bugs are fixed (like the finger-scrolling/selection-Bug or the
> way-to-sensitive-keyboard where it's almost impossible to
> switch to special characters)? I'm quite sure it's just a matter of settings
> as it worked in the former version.
>
>
>  or the bouncing calypso and the echo fix.. It would be really nice.
>
>  See Lorn J.Potter's mail in support.  Qtextended 4.4.2 may be out
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Re: Android open sourced

[nick d.]

Sign up to Koolu's forum [1] and see what's going on there. Cfriedt also has
a spreadsheet of progress that seems to have been updated frequently [2].
Last time I check there were a few to go but now, not so much. See also [3].

Nick

1. http://forum.koolu.org/
2. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pzDEXnU19gkeTjpD28t-7fw
3. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android


See also:

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> Hi there,
> is there any progress on the porting of Android to the FR yet? Are
> updates posted to this list, since it seems pretty quite around the
> port?
>
> Cheers
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> >
> > Let the games begin!
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> > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Sam Kuper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >> 2008/10/21 Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi there,
is there any progress on the porting of Android to the FR yet? Are
updates posted to this list, since it seems pretty quite around the
port?

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> WHO :)
>
> Let the games begin!
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Sam Kuper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> 2008/10/21 Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>> time to port to Neo !
>>
>> I'm going to be watching this with interest!
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Re: Android open sourced

[KaZeR]

Joerg Lippmann a écrit :

Am Mittwoch 22 Oktober 2008 schrieb Lorn Potter:
  

Jim Morris wrote:


Lorn Potter wrote:
  

Jim Morris wrote:


Cédric Berger wrote:
  

Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will
always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected.


Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less stable
than the previous version.
  

We all were. The truth is, 4.4.1 was pushed out before it was ready. But it
couldn't be helped.



Wouldn't it be great to release an intermediate version soon, in which the 
most severe UI-bugs are fixed (like the finger-scrolling/selection-Bug or the 
way-to-sensitive-keyboard where it's almost impossible to 
switch to special characters)? I'm quite sure it's just a matter of settings 
as it worked in the former version.
  

or the bouncing calypso and the echo fix.. It would be really nice.

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Re: Android open sourced

[Joerg Lippmann]

Am Mittwoch 22 Oktober 2008 schrieb Lorn Potter:
> Jim Morris wrote:
> > Lorn Potter wrote:
> >> Jim Morris wrote:
> >>> Cédric Berger wrote:
> >>
> >> Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will
> >> always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected.
> >
> > Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less stable
> > than the previous version.
>
> We all were. The truth is, 4.4.1 was pushed out before it was ready. But it
> couldn't be helped.

Wouldn't it be great to release an intermediate version soon, in which the 
most severe UI-bugs are fixed (like the finger-scrolling/selection-Bug or the 
way-to-sensitive-keyboard where it's almost impossible to 
switch to special characters)? I'm quite sure it's just a matter of settings 
as it worked in the former version.

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Re: Android open sourced

[Jay Vaughan]

> At last maybe we will get a stable, usable O/S for the Neo (which I  
> have shelved until such a thing
> exists). I was using Qt but QtExtended was a step backwards in  
> stability. I am very happy to see
> Android available for development, I may un-shelve my Neo blow off  
> the dust and help port it!
>



Yup.  Hooray if we get it working on Freerunner.  Finally something to  
run on Freerunner that might, actually .. work ..

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Re: Android open sourced

[Kishore]

On Wednesday 22 Oct 2008 10:16:55 pm Andy Selby wrote:
> > Since i got my neo rather recently, i have only tried 4.4.1. Is 4.3 still
> > the better choice? A couple of days ago i lost my daily use phone
> > (motoming A1200) and so i now need to use the FR as my daily phone.
>
> 4.3 is usable as a daily phone for me (YMMV),rock solid suspend and
> resume, no dialer issues.
> 4.4.1 is a bit unstable for daily use.

I have been on with 4.3 for almost a day now. The moment i try to make a call 
it crashes. I am able to receive calls fine. I did have to change the 
gsmhandset.state file to prevent the echo.

4.4.1 never really crashed but has bugs like my inability to save a number to 
the contacts list from the call logs. Is that part of the contacts 
application? The contacts application is much more usable too with the 
alphabets on the right. 4.4 also has the inertial scrolling improvement which 
makes it really easy to browse contacts but its buggy with the touchscreen 
that registers far too many accidental clicks while scrolling.

I am now tending towards 4.4 i really hope there is an update soon that fixes 
the obvious bugs. Anything expected soon?
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Re: Android open sourced

[Vasco Névoa]

Citando Kishore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Since i got my neo rather recently, i have only tried 4.4.1. Is 4.3 still the
> better choice? A couple of days ago i lost my daily use phone  
> (motoming A1200)
> and so i now need to use the FR as my daily phone.

I've been using ASU (OM2008.9) since the beginning as my daily and  
only phone for months now, without great problems.
It stinks for SMS texting, and it is a PITA to find a contact on the  
list (both of these are bad designs of Qtopia), but otherwise it does  
the job well.
The only big problem is a "denial-of-service" that happens because os  
resume problems... sometimes I get an SMS or some other event that  
wakes up the phone, and if I don't touch the screen, it stays awake  
until the battery dies. This is why sometimes I wake up to a dead  
phone, even though I went to bed leaving it almost fully charged. :(


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Re: Android open sourced

[Paul Jimenez]

Nishit Dave wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Kishore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>   
>> Since i got my neo rather recently, i have only tried 4.4.1. Is 4.3 still
>> the
>> better choice? A couple of days ago i lost my daily use phone (motoming
>> A1200)
>> and so i now need to use the FR as my daily phone.
>>
>> 
>
> Join the club.
>   

FWIW, I've been running 4.3 as my only cellphone for several weeks now. 
I've got the bug #1024 re-registration problem, which is annoying, but I
can still make and receive calls.  I've only gotten into a really funky
state once or twice - due, I think, to switching between booting 4.3 and
other distros (FSO).  It's been pretty stable since I ran out of time to
mess with it :)

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Re: Android open sourced

[Nishit Dave]

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Kishore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Wednesday 22 Oct 2008 4:38:31 am Lorn Potter wrote:
> > Jim Morris wrote:
> > > Lorn Potter wrote:
> > >> Jim Morris wrote:
> > >>> Cédric Berger wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will
> > >> always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than
> expected.
> > >
> > > Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less
> stable
> > > than the previous version.
> >
> > We all were. The truth is, 4.4.1 was pushed out before it was ready. But
> it
> > couldn't be helped.
>
> Since i got my neo rather recently, i have only tried 4.4.1. Is 4.3 still
> the
> better choice? A couple of days ago i lost my daily use phone (motoming
> A1200)
> and so i now need to use the FR as my daily phone.
>

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Re: Android open sourced

[Previdi Roberto]

my 2 cents: if the porting of android will need the intervention of the low
level developers this shouldn't be done. the kernel coders need all the time
they need to understand and optimize the low level code. if meanwhile there
are other developers who feel they can handle the port it could be just
another option, and would be wrong not to try it..

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Nicola Mfb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2008/10/22 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:23:56PM -0700, Jim Morris wrote:
>> > No magic, I suspect the kernel will be the same, and have potentially
>> the same bugs, however I think
>> > the apps will be more stable.
>>
>
> Exactly! this is a tipical  scenario showing why openmoko inc. should spend
> the big part of it's resources on the kernel.
> All the above, 2008.x, fso, qtopia, and now android will depend on it.
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Re: Android open sourced

[Nicola Mfb]

2008/10/22 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:23:56PM -0700, Jim Morris wrote:
> > No magic, I suspect the kernel will be the same, and have potentially the
> same bugs, however I think
> > the apps will be more stable.
>

Exactly! this is a tipical  scenario showing why openmoko inc. should spend
the big part of it's resources on the kernel.
All the above, 2008.x, fso, qtopia, and now android will depend on it.

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Re: Android open sourced

[Andy Selby]

> Since i got my neo rather recently, i have only tried 4.4.1. Is 4.3 still the
> better choice? A couple of days ago i lost my daily use phone (motoming A1200)
> and so i now need to use the FR as my daily phone.

4.3 is usable as a daily phone for me (YMMV),rock solid suspend and
resume, no dialer issues.
4.4.1 is a bit unstable for daily use.

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Re: Android open sourced

[Paul]

Hire wrote:
> http://forum.koolu.org/
>
> Register to get a patchset and a kernel pacthed for FR
>   

Downloading the stuff now. Although I am still trying to find out what 
to do with the patch-set  ;-)

So pointers are appreciated!
Paul

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[Hire]

http://forum.koolu.org/

Register to get a patchset and a kernel pacthed for FR
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Re: Android open sourced

[Kishore]

On Wednesday 22 Oct 2008 4:38:31 am Lorn Potter wrote:
> Jim Morris wrote:
> > Lorn Potter wrote:
> >> Jim Morris wrote:
> >>> Cédric Berger wrote:
> >>
> >> Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will
> >> always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected.
> >
> > Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less stable
> > than the previous version.
>
> We all were. The truth is, 4.4.1 was pushed out before it was ready. But it
> couldn't be helped.

Since i got my neo rather recently, i have only tried 4.4.1. Is 4.3 still the 
better choice? A couple of days ago i lost my daily use phone (motoming A1200) 
and so i now need to use the FR as my daily phone.

> > which I had blown away to try 4.4.1 I couldn't really use 4.4.1 of
> > QtEtended as it seemed to hang all the time as well as other issues which
> > I'm sure you are aware of. (Scrolling through lists usually thinks you
> > are selecting something you don't want etc).
> >
> > I'll continue to try the new versions of 4.4 as they come out, but in the
> > meantime playing with Android seems like a good use of my time ;)
> >
> > I'll use whichever one ends up being a usable phone soonest.
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Re: Android open sourced

[Stroller]

On 21 Oct 2008, at 19:52, Jim Morris wrote:

> Cédric Berger wrote:
>> Here we are
>> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html
>>
>> time to port to Neo !
>>
>
> At last maybe we will get a stable, usable O/S for the Neo (which I  
> have shelved until such a thing
> exists). I was using Qt but QtExtended was a step backwards in  
> stability. I am very happy to see
> Android available for development, I may un-shelve my Neo blow off  
> the dust and help port it!

It's always charming to encounter an optimist.

Stroller.


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Re: Android open sourced

[Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson]

Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 07:43:00PM -0600, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote:
>   
>> people who I do not have their number memorized and it is almost 
>> impossible to text via finger on 200x.x. I would love to see a good 
>> keyboard, reliable SMS and phone calls, at that point I'll be more than 
>> satisfied with my investment, right now I'm happy but feel that things 
>> have a long way to go.
>> 
>
> After understanding the predictiveness and creating a portuguese
> dictionary, I haven't ever written an SMS *ever*since* with a stylus,
> just the finger...
>
> Rui
>
>   
I understand the predictive keyboard and have it mastered with a stylus 
but it is still insane, sadly when it comes to SMS I'd say that IMO the 
iPhone wins, I'd be happier wit a number pad like the dialer that just 
did T9 input frankly. Also to find a contact since the scrolling never 
works with the use of a finger I have to whip out my stylus to scroll 
down to who I want to call, if I don't have their # memorized. I love my 
FreeRunner don't get me wrong but those two things drive me up a wall so 
quickly that on occasion if I know it's going to be a day filled with 
lots of SMSing I have been known to grab my old Samsung T409 cause I can 
text so much faster on it, but that's rare cause I much prefer using my OM.

-Shawn

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Re: Android open sourced

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 07:43:00PM -0600, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote:
> people who I do not have their number memorized and it is almost 
> impossible to text via finger on 200x.x. I would love to see a good 
> keyboard, reliable SMS and phone calls, at that point I'll be more than 
> satisfied with my investment, right now I'm happy but feel that things 
> have a long way to go.

After understanding the predictiveness and creating a portuguese
dictionary, I haven't ever written an SMS *ever*since* with a stylus,
just the finger...

Rui

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Re: Android open sourced

[Minh Ha Duong]

According to   http://koolu.com/

Koolu Beta port of Android for Freerunner will be available to download  for 
existing Freerunner owners and installed on phones for sale in November 2008. 

And they have been working at it for months.
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Re: Android open sourced

[Lech Karol Pawłaszek]

Cédric Berger wrote:
> Here we are
> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html
> 
> time to port to Neo !

;-) patches are on their way according to this:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-October/005966.html

Hooray to the FLOSS.

Kind regards,

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Re: Android open sourced

[Cédric Berger]

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 23:21, Jim Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Was on IRC and someone said they had already ported the kernel, and was 
> working on a forum, just
> FYI. We should all coordinate so there are not 10 different porting efforts :)
>

Also see thread on kernel list where Sean McNeil has already worked
one it : http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1361683

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[Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson]

Sam Kuper wrote:
> 2008/10/21 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >
>
> you'd probably need to port androids display system to run under
> x11. ie a
> android window/surface == x11 window. also emulate any other
> things via
> icccm/netwm etc.
>
> this would actually be cool. you can run any desktop you like
> (2007.x matchbox
> style, e+illume, xfce... or anything else AND run android app AND
> run qt apps
> AND run gtk apps.. AND EFL, AND java... AND C#/mono, AND...)
>
>
> That sounds awesome. If this worked, and was stable, the OpenMoko 
> phones could become the ultimate pocket devices: more flexible than 
> the phones designed for (and quite possibly limited to) Android. The 
> scope for increasing one's productivity with such a monster is great 
> indeed, and given that it's this kind of potential for productivity 
> increases that draws me to PDAs, I'm pretty excited by the prospect.
>
> spk
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The biggest question I have is would we finally get a decent keyboard 
for finger usage? I have to use a stylus even to just make calls to 
people who I do not have their number memorized and it is almost 
impossible to text via finger on 200x.x. I would love to see a good 
keyboard, reliable SMS and phone calls, at that point I'll be more than 
satisfied with my investment, right now I'm happy but feel that things 
have a long way to go.

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Re: Android open sourced

[Sam Kuper]

2008/10/21 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> you'd probably need to port androids display system to run under x11. ie a
> android window/surface == x11 window. also emulate any other things via
> icccm/netwm etc.
>
> this would actually be cool. you can run any desktop you like (2007.x
> matchbox
> style, e+illume, xfce... or anything else AND run android app AND run qt
> apps
> AND run gtk apps.. AND EFL, AND java... AND C#/mono, AND...)
>

That sounds awesome. If this worked, and was stable, the OpenMoko phones
could become the ultimate pocket devices: more flexible than the phones
designed for (and quite possibly limited to) Android. The scope for
increasing one's productivity with such a monster is great indeed, and given
that it's this kind of potential for productivity increases that draws me to
PDAs, I'm pretty excited by the prospect.

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Re: Android open sourced

[ankostis]

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Jim Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jim Morris wrote:
>> Cédric Berger wrote:
>>> Here we are
>>> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html
>>>
>>> time to port to Neo !
>>
>> Maybe we should setup a Neo branch on Androids GIT, and start to collaborate 
>> on the port?
>>
>> Anyone else interested?
>>
>>
>
> Ok well I have started :) the repo sync fails as the webkit repo appears to 
> be down, so I'll try
> again later.

You can bypass webkit, by modifying ./repo/manifest.xml, as instructed here:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=982&q=webkit&colspec=ID%20Type%20Version%20Security%20Status%20Owner%20Summary

Count me in!

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Re: Android open sourced

[Lorn Potter]

Jim Morris wrote:
> Lorn Potter wrote:
>> Jim Morris wrote:
>>> Cédric Berger wrote:
> 
>> Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will 
>> always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected.
>>
> 
> Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less stable than 
> the previous version. 

We all were. The truth is, 4.4.1 was pushed out before it was ready. But it 
couldn't be helped.


> which I had blown away to try 4.4.1 I couldn't really use 4.4.1 of QtEtended 
> as it seemed to hang 
> all the time as well as other issues which I'm sure you are aware of. 
> (Scrolling through lists 
> usually thinks you are selecting something you don't want etc).
> 
> I'll continue to try the new versions of 4.4 as they come out, but in the 
> meantime playing with 
> Android seems like a good use of my time ;)
> 
> I'll use whichever one ends up being a usable phone soonest.
> 


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Re: Android open sourced

[Jim Morris]

Lorn Potter wrote:
> Jim Morris wrote:
>> Cédric Berger wrote:

> Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will 
> always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected.
> 

Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less stable than 
the previous version. 
which I had blown away to try 4.4.1 I couldn't really use 4.4.1 of QtEtended as 
it seemed to hang 
all the time as well as other issues which I'm sure you are aware of. 
(Scrolling through lists 
usually thinks you are selecting something you don't want etc).

I'll continue to try the new versions of 4.4 as they come out, but in the 
meantime playing with 
Android seems like a good use of my time ;)

I'll use whichever one ends up being a usable phone soonest.

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Re: Android open sourced

[The Rasterman]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:48:25 +0200 Didier Raboud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> http://source.android.com/license/individual-contributor-license---android-open-source-project
> 
> You have to grant your copyright to Google...
> 
> I don't want to work non-paid for Google. But please do ! ;)

i do agree that android does not seem to be open AND free in the same
spirit/way the average linux distro (from ubuntu to debian to fedora to
openmoko etc.) is, as the sdk is restrictive - BUT i will say, that you are
wrong - you do not GRANT google copyright. you grant them a LICENCE to use the
code you contribute (without restriction). it's basically the same as
contributing to a BSD to mit/x11 licensed project. you still own your code that
you contributed and retain all your rights, but you have granted unrestricted
use of that, with no conditions (that includes no need to keep the code open.
at this point it is a matter of trust if you trust google to always keep the
code available or not, as the license does not enforce that, BUT you don't
grant copyright ownership to google).

so to be fair - it's not as bad as you made it out to be :) but i also don't
like the other clauses. like "can't reverse engineer" (which is bullshit in my
jurisdiction - last i checked reverse engineering was explicitly legal "for
compatibility purposes", and any license is overidden by law and your innate
rights), or "for no other purpose".

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Re: Android open sourced

[The Rasterman]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:20:04 -0400 Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:33:40 you wrote:
> > Here we are
> > http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html
> > 
> > time to port to Neo !
> > 
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> I'm interested to see if it will be possible to hack it so X11 software works
> under android, and vice versa so that android software can be run under
> X11/illume.  ^.^

you'd probably need to port androids display system to run under x11. ie a
android window/surface == x11 window. also emulate any other things via
icccm/netwm etc.

this would actually be cool. you can run any desktop you like (2007.x matchbox
style, e+illume, xfce... or anything else AND run android app AND run qt apps
AND run gtk apps.. AND EFL, AND java... AND C#/mono, AND...)

frankly this is probably the right way to go. i'd take a look if i wasn't
already busy enough.

> Or if I can't have that or it'd be too slow or something.. I'd like to be
> able to toggle between virtual consoles to go between one and the other or
> something like that.

it can always be fast. a "first" port would be getting the entire android
display system working IN a window IN x11 (a virtual framebuffer). that will be
entirely trivial. and still very fast (a little slower than direct-to-fb, but
not enough to really worry). think mame, or all the game console emulators, or
vmware, qmenu etc. basically just implemenet a framebuffer as an x11 mit-shm
shared image buffer @ 16bpp - it looks like any hardware dumb framebuffer. just
xshmputimage from it using cliprects to choose which regions to write to the
destination window. this should be a completely trivial port and basically give
u "android in a window" and should always work and be compatible with any
bizarre things android does.

your 2nd step is the full port (ala think wine - where you match primitives on
a higher level).

> And I wonder how much openmoko and debian software and other distros will
> start seeping into the android designed handsets.
> 
> I sense a golden age on the horizon :)
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Re: Android open sourced

[Lorn Potter]

Jim Morris wrote:
> Cédric Berger wrote:
>> Here we are
>> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html
>>
>> time to port to Neo !
>>
> 
> At last maybe we will get a stable, usable O/S for the Neo (which I have 
> shelved until such a thing 
> exists). I was using Qt but QtExtended was a step backwards in stability. I 
> am very happy to see 
> Android available for development, I may un-shelve my Neo blow off the dust 
> and help port it!
> 

Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will always be 
that way. It just means 
that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected.



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Lorn 'ljp' Potter
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Re: Android open sourced

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:23:56PM -0700, Jim Morris wrote:
> No magic, I suspect the kernel will be the same, and have potentially the 
> same bugs, however I think 
> the apps will be more stable.

The apps won't be very stable if things like the accelerometers hang
every so often...

Rui

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Re: Android open sourced

[Jim Morris]

Ken Young wrote:
> Jim Morris wrote:
> [...]
>> Ya know I don't really care if it is open source or free source or
>> commercial, so long as it is
>> stable and actually works as a phone! I have a $400 toy at the moment
>> which I would like to use as a
>> phone one day.
>>
>> I'll use anything that gets me closer to that goal.
> 
> Does anyone really think that porting Android is going to magically
> fix the problems that prevent the Freerunner from being a useful
> phone?   How likely is it that things like suspend/resume problems
> will go away if you port Android?   Aren't those problems apt to
> be very closely tied to the particulars of the Freerunner hardware?
> Porting Android sounds to me like a way to spend a huge amount of
> time to produce another distribution for the Freerunner which will
> be no more reliable (at best) than the others ones are.
> 
> Ken Young

No magic, I suspect the kernel will be the same, and have potentially the same 
bugs, however I think 
the apps will be more stable. By the time Android is ported over, I am hoping 
there will have been 
significant progress on the kernel in the other dists, which android and 
qtextended etc will benefit 
from.

For my part I am very comfortable writing Java, so being able to write apps in 
Java is a plus for 
me, and none of the current dists really support Java well (ok it is supported 
but have you tried 
writing a good app with that support?).

Of course the H/W bugs such as GSM buzz won't get fixed, but I'm still hoping 
there will be a H/W 
fix for that which Openmoko will support for GTA02.

Besides it seems people love to have several choices ;)

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