Re: Thone 0.5
Hi Rafael On April 1st, 2009, Werner Almesberger wrote April 1 is not over yet ;-) [1] Grrreat!.. :-) Thanks a lot!. I will test your job on fatfingershell asap and I'll let you know how it goes. Since new libsdl lets us run/rotate sdl applications on fb directly it would be possible to start the system with just a shell to work :) In fact, I had that setup before I flashed my phone. The launcher started with fatfingershell -e thone jail But after flashing to shr-u, I can't install the ipk for fatfingershell anymore :-/ It depends on libsdl and libvorbis, but shr-u uses libsdl-ttf-2.0-0 and libvorbis0 (i'm guessing these are the intended packages).. cu *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thone 0.5
Am Donnerstag 01 April 2010 00:29:47 schrieb pike: Hi http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/Thone I have .ipk now http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr/all/thone_0.5-r0.4_all.ipk Cool! Thanks! Now, as was to be expected, I fixed some bugs and upped a new version, 0.6 .. with a different url .. wouldnt it be easier if I hosted that ipk myself, on googlecode ? .. so i was trying to untarzip your ipk file to see if I could update it but it gives tar: invalid tar magic. isnt it a tarzip ? .ipk are ar archives containing 2 tar.gz archives I'm wondering how to proceed. Never done this. Given the way .ipk works, I dont see the need for a makefile. I can imagine how Martin's recipe looks like and it's probably very ugly and just for your current version. If you add an additional file or rename one then that recipe won't work anymore. If you provide a Makefile then it will look nice and be independent on what you in your programm. That way it's much much easier to maintain for the package maintainer. And writing a Makefile is a matter of 5 minutes for you... BTW: Haven't seen your real name to fill AUTHOR field properly.. but nick will be enough if it is intentional ;) . Yeah, pike will do :-) thanks, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thone 0.5
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 12:29:47AM +0200, pike wrote: Hi http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/Thone I have .ipk now http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr/all/thone_0.5-r0.4_all.ipk Cool! Thanks! Now, as was to be expected, I fixed some bugs and upped a new version, 0.6 .. with a different url .. wouldnt it be easier if I hosted that ipk myself, on googlecode ? I'm not going to host that .ipk.. but add recipe to shr and it will be in SHR feeds as any other app :). If you want to reuse it for other distributions, feel free to add link to shr feeds or redistribute it from googlecode. I'll update recipe to 0.6 and add it to feed (probably today). .. so i was trying to untarzip your ipk file to see if I could update it but it gives tar: invalid tar magic. isnt it a tarzip ? it's 'ar', ar -x would do right magic I'm wondering how to proceed. Never done this. Given the way .ipk works, I dont see the need for a makefile. With makefile it would be easier to install files to other locations easily (like readme to /usr/share/doc) etc.. but it's not a big issue so if you don't see the need, OK :). BTW: Haven't seen your real name to fill AUTHOR field properly.. but nick will be enough if it is intentional ;) . Yeah, pike will do :-) OK BTW: in 0.5 * updating sms.cache.. /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Query: Query failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.AttributeError is it something fixed in 0.6 already? (I'll try in few minutes..) Thanks! Cheers, -- uin:136542059jid:martin.ja...@gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jama...@voip.wengo.fr JaMa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thone 0.5
Hi http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/Thone I'm not going to host that .ipk.. but add recipe to shr and it will be in SHR feeds as any other app :). Bear with me :-) The bitbake recipe refers to the ipk ? In either case, it's probably better to wait for a bit more stable version, or find a way for me to fix bugs upstream. In short, wow thanks, but please don't, yet. BTW: in 0.5 * updating sms.cache.. /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Query: Query failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.AttributeError is it something fixed in 0.6 already? (I'll try in few minutes..) I don't think so - never seen it. Let me check if I can repeat it. thanks! *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thone 0.5
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 10:40:26AM +0200, pike wrote: Hi http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/Thone I'm not going to host that .ipk.. but add recipe to shr and it will be in SHR feeds as any other app :). Bear with me :-) The bitbake recipe refers to the ipk ? bitbake recipe is build description which instructs bitbake how to create correct .ipk or .dep or .rpm or whatever from source archive. In thone case it's repackaging your scripts. In either case, it's probably better to wait for a bit more stable version, or find a way for me to fix bugs upstream. In case you relase newer version, recipe update is task for few sec. Than all shr users get updated version with opkg upgrade (which they have to check and download manually in case your .tgz). In short, wow thanks, but please don't, yet. It's your call, but I don't see any disadvantage of having thone in shr feeds. Let me know if you change your mind. BTW: in 0.5 * updating sms.cache.. /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Query: Query failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.AttributeError is it something fixed in 0.6 already? (I'll try in few minutes..) I don't think so - never seen it. Let me check if I can repeat it. Steps used here: thone sms tabtab sms grep: /home/root/.thone/ppl.cache/*ppl: No such file or directory grep: /home/root/.thone/ppl.cache/*ppl: No such file or directory config helplistreadwrite sms list * updating sms.cache.. /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Query: Query failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.AttributeError Cheers, -- uin:136542059jid:martin.ja...@gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jama...@voip.wengo.fr JaMa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thone 0.5
Hi In short, wow thanks, but please don't, yet. It's your call, but I don't see any disadvantage of having thone in shr feeds. Let me know if you change your mind. Thanks, but I'll get back to you. Want to fix your error first :-) Steps used here: thone sms tabtab sms grep: /home/root/.thone/ppl.cache/*ppl: No such file or directory that's fixed in 0.6 sms list * updating sms.cache.. /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Query: Query failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.AttributeError that's not. I'll be back, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thone 0.5
Amazing stuff, congrats! -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thone 0.5
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 01:59:52AM +0200, pike wrote: On April 1st, 2009, Werner Almesberger wrote April 1 is not over yet ;-) [1] Following up on that discussion, I decided to write a bunch of shell scripts to read/write sms, calls, manage your address book etc. At first, they were basicly mdbus wrappers. But it apparently took me a full year get the details right. And today is a nice day to release what I have http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/Thone I'm curious what y'all think. My aim was to write something that would beat the guis: quicker to load, easier to work with, more reliable, and, when using a gui like FatFingerShell [2], prettier :-) But to be honest, I'm not there yet. I learned the nitgrit of bash, sed and awk along the way; most of the code already looks like babytalk to me now, but well it works. $2c, *-pike [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2542865%7Ca2568942 [2] http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/web.html Hi, Haven't tried yet, but from description it looks usefull (I'm using my neo mostly only remotely over ssh connection :)). So I'm already preparing bb recipe for that to put it in shr-u feeds. Thanks! -- uin:136542059jid:martin.ja...@gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jama...@voip.wengo.fr JaMa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thone 0.5
Hi http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/Thone Haven't tried yet, but from description it looks usefull (I'm using my neo mostly only remotely over ssh connection :)). So I'm already preparing bb recipe for that to put it in shr-u feeds. That sounds great. Not exactly sure what it means though :-) Let me know if you need anything. for example .. I've put the tarbal up on google code but I could put the sources under public svn there if thats easier ? thanks, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thone 0.5
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 02:35:25PM +0200, pike wrote: Hi http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/Thone Haven't tried yet, but from description it looks usefull (I'm using my neo mostly only remotely over ssh connection :)). So I'm already preparing bb recipe for that to put it in shr-u feeds. That sounds great. Not exactly sure what it means though :-) Let me know if you need anything. I have .ipk now http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr/all/thone_0.5-r0.4_all.ipk But it's just converted tgz-ipk made by bitbake. for example .. I've put the tarbal up on google code but I could put the sources under public svn there if thats easier ? Yeah, would be nice to have it somewhere in tar.gz or svn in form of just source files and simple Makefile which has only target install which moves source files to right target dirs. BTW: Haven't seen your real name to fill AUTHOR field properly.. but nick will be enough if it is intentional ;). Cheers, -- uin:136542059jid:martin.ja...@gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jama...@voip.wengo.fr JaMa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thone 0.5
pike pike-openm...@kw.nl writes: I decided to write a bunch of shell scripts Yup, really nice stuff;). Thanks. Hope you bring it to completion;). -- Esben Stien is b...@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thone 0.5
Hi http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/Thone I have .ipk now http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr/all/thone_0.5-r0.4_all.ipk Cool! Thanks! Now, as was to be expected, I fixed some bugs and upped a new version, 0.6 .. with a different url .. wouldnt it be easier if I hosted that ipk myself, on googlecode ? .. so i was trying to untarzip your ipk file to see if I could update it but it gives tar: invalid tar magic. isnt it a tarzip ? I'm wondering how to proceed. Never done this. Given the way .ipk works, I dont see the need for a makefile. BTW: Haven't seen your real name to fill AUTHOR field properly.. but nick will be enough if it is intentional ;) . Yeah, pike will do :-) thanks, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thone 0.5
Hello Pike, --- On Tue, 3/30/10, pike pike-openm...@kw.nl wrote: On April 1st, 2009, Werner Almesberger wrote April 1 is not over yet ;-) [1] Following up on that discussion, I decided to write a bunch of shell scripts to read/write sms, calls, manage your address book etc. At first, they were basicly mdbus wrappers. But it apparently took me a full year get the details right. And today is a nice day to release what I have http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/Thone I'm curious what y'all think. My aim was to write something that would beat the guis: quicker to load, easier to work with, more reliable, and, when using a gui like FatFingerShell [2], prettier :-) But to be honest, I'm not there yet. I learned the nitgrit of bash, sed and awk along the way; most of the code already looks like babytalk to me now, but well it works. Grrreat!.. :-) Thanks a lot!. I will test your job on fatfingershell asap and I'll let you know how it goes. Since new libsdl lets us run/rotate sdl applications on fb directly it would be possible to start the system with just a shell to work :) Rafael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thone 0.5
pike wrote: And today is a nice day to release what I have http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/Thone Looks great ! Finally a UI that's friendly also with users who are hackers ;-) It would be nice to avoid modal dialogs, like the one in $TH_MENU_SMSREAD. Why not simply remember the last message read and have commands del(ete), re(ply), n(ext), p(rev), etc., that operate on whatever was the last message ? mh worked like this, and it was quite nice to use. sms read can still print a hint what commands may be useful next, but without a modal dialog. (As an advanced feature, there could then be an option for an expert mode that turns off the hints.) If there's an undo, you also don't need to ask before dangerous operations. By the way, regarding overlay keyboards, in cases where fatfingershell is too crowded or narrow, perhaps the following approach may be worth considering: - use a 4 x 6 grid (or similar) - use the keys on the leftmost column as modifiers, e.g., with the following functions: - Left: use left half of the keyboard - Shift: shift, pressed in combination with Left and Right - Right: use right half of the keyboard - Fn: special functions/characters - for the remaining positions, select the layout according to the modifier(s) pressed Typical use would be two-handed. E.g., if we assume a split through the middle of a regular keyboard, we'd get something like this: Modif. LeftRight -- - - Left1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 Shift Q W E R T Y U I O P Right A S D F G H I J K L Fn ? Z X C V B N M ? ? ? is something non-alphanumerical. Space, Enter, and Delete come to mind. We can use Shift+Number for special characters. To type Hello, one could - hold Right+Shift then tap H - hold Left and tap E - hold Right and tap L, then holding Right tap L again - keep holding Right and tap O If modifiers are sticky, also single-handed use would be possible, but slower. Right+Shift could correspond to a location somewhere around the bottom of the Shift area, or a transition of in Right to between Right and Shift (rolling the finger.) The multi-touch effect would be possible because touching positions X and Y looks like a touch at a position in the middle between the two. A sequence like Left-E would then look like this: - press somewhere in Left (let's call this vector X, from the origin) - point moves - without releasing - somewhere near the top of W or Q (let's call this vector Y, from the origin) - we calculate the real second position as X+2*(Y-X) Just an idea for whichever April 1st is next :-) - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Thone 0.5
On April 1st, 2009, Werner Almesberger wrote April 1 is not over yet ;-) [1] Following up on that discussion, I decided to write a bunch of shell scripts to read/write sms, calls, manage your address book etc. At first, they were basicly mdbus wrappers. But it apparently took me a full year get the details right. And today is a nice day to release what I have http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/Thone I'm curious what y'all think. My aim was to write something that would beat the guis: quicker to load, easier to work with, more reliable, and, when using a gui like FatFingerShell [2], prettier :-) But to be honest, I'm not there yet. I learned the nitgrit of bash, sed and awk along the way; most of the code already looks like babytalk to me now, but well it works. $2c, *-pike [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2542865%7Ca2568942 [2] http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/web.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
