Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

DeepMind has published a number of papers on how to stabilize RL strategies in a landscape of nontransitive cycles. See https://papers.nips.cc/paper/2018/file/cdf1035c34ec380218a8cc9a43d438f9-Paper.pdf I haven't fully digested the paper, but what I'm getting from it is that if you want your

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

> ladders, not just liberties. In that case, yes! If you outright tell the > neural net as an input whether each ladder works or not (doing a short > tactical search to determine this), or something equivalent to it, then the > net will definitely make use of that information, ... Each

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

also frankly not a problem for a rating system to handle. a rating system shouldn't be tweaked to handle eccentricities of its players other than the general assumptions of how a game's result is determined (like, does it allow for "win" and "draw" and "undetermined" or just "win"). s. On Fri,

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

@Claude - Oh, sorry, I misread your message, you were also asking about ladders, not just liberties. In that case, yes! If you outright tell the neural net as an input whether each ladder works or not (doing a short tactical search to determine this), or something equivalent to it, then the net

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Hi Claude - no, generally feeding liberty counts to neural networks doesn't help as much as one would hope with ladders and sekis and large capturing races. The thing that is hard about ladders has nothing to do with liberties - a trained net is perfectly capable of recognizing the atari, this is

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 3:45 AM Hiroshi Yamashita wrote: > This kind of joseki is not good for Zero type. Ladder and capturing > race are intricately combined. In AlphaGo(both version of AlphaGoZero > and Master) published self-matches, this joseki is rare. >

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 8:08 AM Rémi Coulom wrote: > You are right that non-determinism and bot blind spots are a source of > problems with Elo ratings. I add randomness to the openings, but it is > still difficult to avoid repeating some patterns. I have just noticed that > the two wins of

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Hi. Maybe it's a newbie question, but since the ladders are part of the well defined topology of the goban (as well as the number of current liberties of each chain of stone), can't feeding those values to the networks (from the very start of the self teaching course) help with large shichos

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Hi David, You are right that non-determinism and bot blind spots are a source of problems with Elo ratings. I add randomness to the openings, but it is still difficult to avoid repeating some patterns. I have just noticed that the two wins of CrazyStone-81-15po against LZ_286_e6e2_p400 were

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Hi, The most noticeable case of this is with Mi Yuting's flying dagger joseki. I'm not familiar with this. I found Hirofumi Ohashi 6d pro's explanation half year ago in HCCL ML. The following is a quote. -

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

One tricky thing is that there are some major nonlinearities between different bots early in the opening that break Elo model assumptions quite blatantly at these higher levels. The most noticeable case of this is with Mi Yuting's flying dagger joseki. I've noticed for example that in particular

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Thanks for computing the new rating list. I feel it did not fix anything. The old Zen, cronus, etc.have almost no change at all. So it is not a good fix, in my opinion. No need to change anything to the official ratings. The fundamental problem seems that the Elo rating model is too wrong for

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Hi, This is original BayesElo. I updated manually. This is latest. http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/19x19/bayes.html CrazyStone-18.044065 CrazyStone-81b-TiV 4032 Zen-15.7-3c1g 3999 CrazyStone-57-TiV 3618 This renames CrazyStone-57-TiV to CrazyStone-18.04.

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

I checked, and CrazyStone-57-TiV is using the same neural network and hardware as CrazyStone-18.04. Batch size, cuDNN version, and time management heuristics may have changed, but I expect that strength should be almost identical. CrazyStone-57-TiV may be a little stronger. So it seems that the

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Hi, The Elo statistical model is wrong when different kind of programs play against I have a similar experience. I calculated Japanese Shogi women pro rating before. The strongest woman, Ichiyo Shimizu, her rating is 1578 Elo. Her winrate against men pros is 18%(163 games), and against women

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

It's a relative ranking versus who you actually get to play against. Sparsity of actual skill will lead to that kind of clumping. The only way that a rating could meaningfully climb by playing gnugo or your direct peers is going to happen exponentially slowly -- you'd need to lose to gnugo twice

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Hi, Thanks to you for taking care of CGOS. I have just connected CrazyStone-57-TiV. It is not identical, but should be similar to the old CrazyStone-18.04. CrazyStone-18.04 was the last version of my program that used tensorflow. CrazyStone-57 is the first neural network that did not use

[Computer-go] CGOS source on github

Hi, I have published current CGOS source on github. https://github.com/yssaya/CGOS There are some changes. Like 1. Recent 300 games on cross-table page. 2. WGo viewer 3. 7.0 komi and handling draw for rating calculation. 4. Shorter pgn file for BayesElo (cgosBayes). 5. Forbid number only

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS rating has drifted a lot

Hi Remi, This has latest 19x19.pgn and some tools to make bayes.html. http://www.yss-aya.com/20210112cgos_bin.tar.bz2 I got these tools from Joshua Shriver. Thanks, Hiroshi Yamashita Hi Hiroshi, I tried to compile my old code, but it turns out to be a bit too complicated because it was

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS rating has drifted a lot

Hi Hiroshi, I tried to compile my old code, but it turns out to be a bit too complicated because it was using tensorflow. I am not using tensorflow any more, and don't want to try to reinstall and recompile it. But I would like to try to take a look at the data. Can I download it anywhere? Can

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS rating has drifted a lot

Hi Hiroshi, Thanks for your work. In both lists CrazyStone-18.04 is ahead of CrazyStone-81-TitV, which is really completely wrong. I will reconnect CrazyStone-18.04 soon. It may help to adjust things a little bit. Rémi ___ Computer-go mailing list

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS rating has drifted a lot

Hi, Deleting losing on time games, and deleting losing on time games and same program matches are follows. 19x19 BayesElo (deleting losing on time games) http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/19x19/bayes_20210109_del_timeout.html 19x19 BayesElo (deleting losing on time games and same program matches)

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS rating has drifted a lot

Hi Remi, I agree with you losing on time against weak program is bad effect for ratings. And I think same program matches with different playouts, like 400 playouts vs 800 playouts are worse. There are too many Leela Zero vs Leela Zero, and recently KataGo vs KataGo. Maybe for human, current

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS rating has drifted a lot

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[Computer-go] CGOS rating has drifted a lot

Hi, I trained a much stronger 19x19 network for Crazy Stone in December, and connected it to CGOS yesterday. It is winning almost 100% of its games against the version I connected 3 years ago, and still has a lower rating. It seems there has been a very big drift of ratings. Even the Bayeselo

[Computer-go] CGOS max rating graph

Hi, I made CGOS max rating graph. http://www.yss-aya.com/20200703cgos_e.png Red is 19x19, Blue is 9x9. In 2006, Monte-Carlo was introduced, and progressing slowly up to 2012. In 2016, Deep Learning was introduced, and big jump in 19x19. But it looks like to improve 9x9 is very hard. GNU Go is

[Computer-go] CGOS has two anchors

Hi, LZ_05db_ELFv2_p800 has been fixed at 3670(from 3102) to match BayesElo. This is an adjustment with a difference of 568 Elo between BayesElo and standing page Elo on 19x19. http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/19x19/standings.html Some bots are also fixed at BayesElo temporarily. If I found old

[Computer-go] CGOS 9x9 draw rate

Hi, I have checked CGOS 9x9 black winrate and draw rate. CGOS 9x9 black winrate http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos2018_03_07_black_winrate.png CGOS 9x9 draw rate http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos2018_03_07_draw_rate.png Following table means 1800 range(both player are (1800 <= rate < 1900)) games are 397,

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS Real-time game viewer

by the way, i'm watching LZ get killed in the early game by something called hd? who is that? at the end it's all fairly sloppy (this only based upon 3-4 games i've watched), but hd seems to have a strong opening comparatively. s. On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 6:04 AM, David Wu wrote: > Awesome! >

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS Real-time game viewer

Awesome! I was going to complain that the color scheme had not enough contrast between the white stones and the background (at least on my desktop, it was hard to see the white stones clearly), and then I discovered the settings menu already lets you change the background color. Cool! :) On

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS Real-time game viewer

This is really well done. Thanks, Steve On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote: > Hi, > > CGOS 19x19 Real-time game viewer is available. > https://deepleela.com/cgos > > Thank you for author of DeepLeela site. > DeepLeela logins as a Viewer, and dispatches to thier clients.

[Computer-go] CGOS Real-time game viewer

Hi, CGOS 19x19 Real-time game viewer is available. https://deepleela.com/cgos Thank you for author of DeepLeela site. DeepLeela logins as a Viewer, and dispatches to thier clients. There were Viewing Client on Linux and Windows, but no on the browser. Source code is also available.

[Computer-go] CGOS server update

Hi, Recently CGOS 19x19 stopped often. I checked log, and found it stopped in "proc infoMsg {msg}" function, when it sends message to all. - error writing "sock18": connection reset by peer while executing "puts $soc "info $msg""

Re: [Computer-go] cgos <--> kgs rating

://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/2016-February/008638.html Thanks, Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: "Detlef Schmicker" <d...@physik.de> To: <computer-go@computer-go.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:05 AM Subject: [Computer-go] cgos <-->

Re: [Computer-go] cgos <--> kgs rating

GNU Go is now rated at 5k on KGS, having spent about a month at 4k. This version is running a single thread on my rather old desktop. Nick On 27 June 2016 at 21:04, Hideki Kato wrote: > GNU Go has 1800 Elo on cgos and is ranked from 8 to 6 kyu on KGS. > Zen v11.8 has

Re: [Computer-go] cgos <--> kgs rating

GNU Go has 1800 Elo on cgos and is ranked from 8 to 6 kyu on KGS. Zen v11.8 has 3420 on cgos using 2 cores and 8-core version is ranked 8d (blitz) on KGS. The difference must be about 200 Elo. Probably Aya (and HiraBot?) also have two numbers. #Note that the time settings are different for

Re: [Computer-go] cgos <--> kgs rating

Hi Detlef, 2 cent from an outsider: "Detlef Schmicker" > ... I am still fighting with resigning in the case of > value-network and playouts disagree, ... Might such positions be interesting starting points when looking for solutions for the discrepancies? In general,

[Computer-go] cgos <--> kgs rating

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hay, I wonder if somebody has the same program (with the same settings) rated on cgos 19x19 and kgs? I am still fighting with resigning in the case of value-network and playouts disagree, so I can not run oakfoam on kgs, but would like to have a

[Computer-go] CGOS default rating is changed

Hi, I changed CGOS default rating from 1800 to the average of active players. In 19x19, new default is around 2400. I hope this will help for faster rating convergence. And I added archives. It is updated manually. http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/ Regards, Hiroshi Yamashita

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Joshua Shriver wrote: > Thank you so much for running CGOS! Looks like it's running very > smoothly and you are doing a great job. > Yes! Thanks again. It’s great to have 9x9 and 19x19 versions again with some strong bots playing. Great to

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

BTW, CrazyStone-0002 (on 19x19, not 9x9) is running on my desktop PC (i7-5930K). At first, it was running with 4 cores. But then it lost its first game to Aya. I was so impressed by the strength of Aya! So I made it use 6 threads instead. It has been using 6 threads since then. I can't run it

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

confidence, but still CS is big wall. But I have another idea for UEC cup :-) Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: "Rémi Coulom" <remi.cou...@free.fr> To: <computer-go@computer-go.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 4:17 AM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

-san, author of HiraBot. Both bot are running by Fukumoto-san, and they make a move without search. Regards, Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: "Rémi Coulom" <remi.cou...@free.fr> To: <computer-go@computer-go.org> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 2:52 AM

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

Hi Remi, running "mm 1 1" instead of just "mm". It just estimates the maximum-likelihood value of drawelo by itself. Or just set drawelo to 20 I tried. CrazyStone-0002 Elo changed a bit on each setting. It looks difficult. So I set drawelo 20. Elo

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

running by Fukumoto-san, and they make a move without search. > > Regards, > Hiroshi Yamashita > > - Original Message - From: "Rémi Coulom" <remi.cou...@free.fr> > To: <computer-go@computer-go.org> > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 2:52 AM > Su

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

To: <computer-go@computer-go.org> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again Hi Hiroshi, Thanks a lot for running CGOS! I have just connected Crazy Stone. It is running on one core of my web server: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2800 @ 1.86GHz I plan to let it p

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

computer-go.org> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again Thank you so much for running CGOS! Looks like it's running very smoothly and you are doing a great job. Would you like me to take down the boardspace site, and make a referal link to your CGOS?

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS boardspace

On 11/19/2015 05:46 AM, Joshua Shriver wrote: I did a restart of the 9x9 and 19x19 as a test. Anyone mind testing it to see if you can connect? I connected two bots to cgos.boardspace.net:6867 but no games are starting and the page http://cgos.boardspace.net/9x9/standings.html does not

[Computer-go] CGOS boardspace

I did a restart of the 9x9 and 19x19 as a test. Anyone mind testing it to see if you can connect? I left 13x13 alone since it just worked. Know a couple people have forked the cgos codebase which is wonderful! If anyone needs help Im willing to share info, or help best I can. I just had such a

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

oulom" <remi.cou...@free.fr> To: <computer-go@computer-go.org> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again Hi Hiroshi, Thanks a lot for running CGOS! I have just connected Crazy Stone. It is running on one core of my web server: Intel

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

t need wait. And too short game > cycle makes big sqlite3 db. It is not good for server. > Anyway I will run CGOS at least for a year. > > Hiroshi Yamashita > > - Original Message - From: "Rémi Coulom" <remi.cou...@free.fr> > To: <computer-go@c

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

Hi Hiroshi, Thanks a lot for running CGOS! I have just connected Crazy Stone. It is running on one core of my web server: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2800 @ 1.86GHz I plan to let it play forever. I noticed the game gets blocked for a long time when Aya resigns. I suppose that may be on

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

Very cool, thank you! I will see if I can start running my bot on there soon. Urban On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote: > Hi, > > I have started CGOS on my VPS(Virtual Private Server). > 19x19 and 9x9 are running. > In 9x9, komi is 7.0. Draw is 0.5 win

[Computer-go] CGOS again

Hi, I have started CGOS on my VPS(Virtual Private Server). 19x19 and 9x9 are running. In 9x9, komi is 7.0. Draw is 0.5 win in rating calc. I'll keep it running for a while. 13x13 is running on original server. time serverportkomi 9x9 5 minutes

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS again

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks a lot, mine did not run stable, hope you have more luck! I think I had to little RAM (128MB) Detlef Am 10.11.2015 um 14:11 schrieb Hiroshi Yamashita: > Hi, > > I have started CGOS on my VPS(Virtual Private Server). 19x19 and > 9x9 are

Re: [Computer-go] cgos 9x9

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://blog.physik.de/?page_id=788 should be up again, sorry when I took my comuter to the olympiad in Leiden (which was a great event) it changed the dyndns ip to leiden :( Detlef Am 03.07.2015 um 20:33 schrieb Olivier Teytaud: Hello; we would

[Computer-go] cgos 9x9

Hello; we would like to come back to Computer-Go, starting with the small 9x9 board; is there any such Cgos running somewhere ? Thanks to people currently running the 13x13. Or maybe we should run a 9x9 server ourselves if nobody has this in his/her agenda ? Best regards, Olivier

Re: [Computer-go] cgos 9x9

It's on my agenda. Just finished moving 1/2 across country so I'll have time again to work on CGOS. -Josh ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 After my ISP crashed, I do not get up 9x9 at the moment. Immediatly myCtest tries to connect from within the middle of a game i think and DODs the server Am 26.05.2015 um 18:56 schrieb Christoph Birk: On 05/26/2015 02:41 AM, Detlef Schmicker

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

On Jun 10, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de wrote: After my ISP crashed, I do not get up 9x9 at the moment. Immediatly myCtest tries to connect from within the middle of a game i think and DODs the server…. They try to re-connet once a minute … I stopped them now. Christoph

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'd like to add the bayes rating to 9x9 and 19x19 intermediate server (physik.selfhost.eu:8080) and wonder, if the bayeselo scripts for go are around some where? I did not find them in the original cgos source code:( Detlef Am 23.05.2015 um

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, I moved it to an old Nokia N800 tablet (I was bored, and did not have an idea to improve my bot:) The anchor is not running on the tablet, since I was afraid of it loosing on time, if a opponent plays a lot of moves (gnugo on 9x9 takes about 10s

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

On 05/26/2015 02:41 AM, Detlef Schmicker wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- it should be up nearly 24/7 I hope and use less than 5W electrical power, until the sd card is full :) Thank you, Christoph ___ Computer-go mailing list

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 24/7 is only useful, if other than open source bots are run on the server, otherwise the author can run it simply on gomill... Last week only Aya_50 and Amigo was run on 13x13 24/7 cgos.boardspace.net Am 22.05.2015 um 23:14 schrieb Christoph

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

24/7 is only useful, if other than open source bots are run on the server, otherwise the author can run it simply on gomill... While I agree that it is not ideal having so few programs running, shutting down the server is even worse, or not? If it runs stable for a while, people will

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

On May 23, 2015, at 12:40 AM, Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de wrote: 24/7 is only useful, if other than open source bots are run on the server, otherwise the author can run it simply on gomill... While I agree that it is not ideal having so few programs running, shutting down the server is

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

On May 22, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de wrote: I wonder, if it would help to put it up once a week or so, with announcement, and take it down again, if the number of bots falls below 5 or so? I am not actively developing a bot, but IMHO without being up 24/7 CGOS is not

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

OK, it was up for about 3 weeks now for 9x9, 19x19 and 25x25 (with a gnugo anchor running all the time on every boardsize), with very few short breaks (I had to reboot my system due to using a MIDI keyboard:) I am not sure, if the bots reconnected automatically, or if the authors reconnected

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Hi, I really did not do a lot: mainly I run make in the server directory, and got an error message that the sqlite version did not match (after trying to start or imediatly, I do not remember) cgos.vfs/lib/sqlite3/pkgIndex.tcl:package ifneeded sqlite3 3.3.5 this line had 3.3.4 now I start

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

BTW what version of Linux are you using? Know CGOS is heavily dependant on x64 systems. Mostly due to library issues. -Josh On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:02 AM, Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de wrote: Hi, I really did not do a lot: mainly I run make in the server directory, and got an error

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Aye sqlite is nice but quirky at times. Planning to use MySQL in my own version. Thanks for the snapshot! -Josh On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:02 AM, Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de wrote: Hi, I really did not do a lot: mainly I run make in the server directory, and got an error message that

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

- De: Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de À: computer-go@computer-go.org Envoyé: Samedi 2 Mai 2015 14:21:05 Objet: [Computer-go] CGOS Hi, I set up a CGOS server at home. It is connected via dyndns, which is not optimal of cause :( physik.selfhost.eu Ports: 8080 (webinterface) 8083

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

...@physik.de À: computer-go@computer-go.org Envoyé: Samedi 2 Mai 2015 14:21:05 Objet: [Computer-go] CGOS Hi, I set up a CGOS server at home. It is connected via dyndns, which is not optimal of cause :( physik.selfhost.eu Ports: 8080 (webinterface) 8083 (19x19, GnuGo 3.8 set to ELO 1800 as anachor

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Baseline for worst play? Why? Paris Hilton?? Op 2 mei 2015 11:42 schreef folkert folk...@vanheusden.com: I'm running parishilton it now so that you have a baseline for the worst play. On Sat, May 02, 2015 at 07:21:05AM +0200, Detlef Schmicker wrote: Hi, I set up a CGOS server at home.

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

So that bad players are not getting 0 elo. On Sat, May 02, 2015 at 11:59:17AM +0200, Erik van der Werf wrote: Baseline for worst play? Why? Paris Hilton?? Op 2 mei 2015 11:42 schreef folkert folk...@vanheusden.com: I'm running parishilton it now so that you have a baseline for the

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Forgot to mention there is another table called anchors. Basically it just has gnugo and set to (1800?) if memory serves. This gets used in bayeselo for comparison calculations. -Josh ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Envoyé: Samedi 2 Mai 2015 14:21:05 Objet: [Computer-go] CGOS Hi, I set up a CGOS server at home. It is connected via dyndns, which is not optimal of cause :( physik.selfhost.eu Ports: 8080 (webinterface) 8083 (19x19, GnuGo 3.8 set to ELO 1800 as anachor) This is mainly for testing, if I get CGOS up

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

I'm running parishilton it now so that you have a baseline for the worst play. On Sat, May 02, 2015 at 07:21:05AM +0200, Detlef Schmicker wrote: Hi, I set up a CGOS server at home. It is connected via dyndns, which is not optimal of cause :( physik.selfhost.eu Ports: 8080

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Rémi - Mail original - De: Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de À: computer-go@computer-go.org Envoyé: Samedi 2 Mai 2015 14:21:05 Objet: [Computer-go] CGOS Hi, I set up a CGOS server at home. It is connected via dyndns, which is not optimal of cause :( physik.selfhost.eu Ports

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Objet: [Computer-go] CGOS Hi, I set up a CGOS server at home. It is connected via dyndns, which is not optimal of cause :( physik.selfhost.eu Ports: 8080 (webinterface) 8083 (19x19, GnuGo 3.8 set to ELO 1800 as anachor) This is mainly for testing, if I get CGOS up correctly, what to do to have

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

8084 for 25x25 with GnuGo 3.8 as ELO 1800 anachor is up for a while now :) 9x9 too, (13x13 I will not set up, original cgos is running fine on 13x13) Detlef Am 02.05.2015 um 07:21 schrieb Detlef Schmicker: Hi, I set up a CGOS server at home. It is connected via dyndns, which is not optimal

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

@computer-go.org Envoyé: Samedi 2 Mai 2015 14:21:05 Objet: [Computer-go] CGOS Hi, I set up a CGOS server at home. It is connected via dyndns, which is not optimal of cause :( physik.selfhost.eu Ports: 8080 (webinterface) 8083 (19x19, GnuGo 3.8 set to ELO 1800 as anachor) This is mainly

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

I set up a CGOS server at home. It is connected via dyndns, Thanks! I could start Aya. http://physik.selfhost.eu:8080/19x19/standings.html By the way, different winrates against aya_1k and fuego_10k or pachi_10k, This seems it was just unlucky against pachi and fuego. I stop them. Thank

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Would you be willing to help me revitalize cgos.computergo.org? I can even give you ssh access. This we your server can sit on a dedicated IP/domain and we can kinda refresh things a bit and have a clean work/server space. Just let me know. -Josh I'm still curious how you got around the

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

Also how good are you and un-tcl packing and rebuilding? Would LOVE to have native packages with the cgos.computergo.org hard coded if possible. Anyway would love to work with you. Side note, any OS X people here willing in the future to make OS X client/view compiles from the future github? If

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS

On May 1, 2015, at 10:21 PM, Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de wrote: I set up a CGOS server at home. It is connected via dyndns, which is not optimal of cause :( Great, I will try to run ‘myctest’ on Monday, Christoph ___ Computer-go mailing list

[Computer-go] CGOS

Hi, I set up a CGOS server at home. It is connected via dyndns, which is not optimal of cause :( physik.selfhost.eu Ports: 8080 (webinterface) 8083 (19x19, GnuGo 3.8 set to ELO 1800 as anachor) This is mainly for testing, if I get CGOS up correctly, what to do to have it permanently

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

Hi, e.g. Aya783a_50 (is it 50 playouts?! seems to slow for that or running Yes it is 50 playouts, and It waits 4sec per move. Also gnugo anchor uses 4 sec wait. Without wait, gnugo spends a lot of cpu time when there are only short thinking programs. I also run pachi, mogo and fuego 10k. I

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Detlef Schmicker d...@physik.de wrote: Hi, I just started playing on 13x13 again, very busy :) It is you that's running all the strong bots? If so, thank you! My second copy of GnuGo had reached an ELO rating of almost 1900 these last days, but now it's back

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

Hi, I just started playing on 13x13 again, very busy :) One feature request: give the programmer the chance, to add some information to the bot (in the configuration file?!): e.g. Aya783a_50 (is it 50 playouts?! seems to slow for that or running on an old mobile :) Detlef Am 06.04.2015 um

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

Hi! I think Detlef is thinking right about it - if I had the time to work on CGOS, I would look at reusing whatever is done already in the area of having programs play against each other, and extending that with literally just networking + userdb + rating + autopairing + webreports. Gogui

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What about just start the project on github or https://bitbucket.org/ (is not bad at forking and merging) Open an issue for the discussion and off we go:) When I was thinking of a quick solution I was thinking about gogui, which supports most of the game handling already.

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This sounds like a good idea and I haven't ruled out Java, but not the biggest fan. But would rather do it in Java than say C. I was leaning toward C# since it's a very popular and portable language. The code would be portable among Win/Lin/OS X heck even Android/iOS (for viewer) due to Xamarin.

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C# is a nice language, but for anything open-source, the fact that it was created by Microsoft kind of 'taints' it. Which is not to say that java is very untainted these days, being owned by Oracle... From a practical point of view, java does most things that C# does, with a few obvious

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

Joshua, I think you should just pick the language(s) that keep YOU motivated. The only hard requirement seems to be that you need the clients to work on Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X. A web framework seems to exist in every language these days so that doesn't really narrow down the selection. I

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

Please write it in something common. If you target linux I think it is unusual to target .net. Why not just c++? Proven technology, simple to write in. On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 09:02:09PM -0400, Joshua Shriver wrote: BTW I greatly appreciate all the input! and put in TODO.txt Since I do plan

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C++ is not simple at all. It's probably the biggest language out there with the most caveats. On 2015-04-03 0:13, folkert wrote: Please write it in something common. If you target linux I think it is unusual to target .net. Why not just c++? Proven technology, simple to write in. On Thu, Apr

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS future

The desire for a compiled language with a web and Linux affinity and a spec short enough to actually understand basically describes the motivation of Go(lang) (http://golang.org/), doesn't it? (As if this subject didn't have enough puns...) On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:21 AM, Igor Polyakov

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It's easy to get 20+ ppl saying OMG I want to help. But I need at least 1-2 more core devs outside me, especially if I'm working in a language outside my zone. All I can say is, if you need 1-2 outside collaborators, you better have a plan B. Everyone dances to their own tune, and no one

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BTW I am a Linux guy true and true since 1994. But I am DAMN tempted to write it in C#. I use mono on linux [1], and c# is an OK language for this kind of thing. RestSharp is an interesting library for web service *clients*, but of course you are writing a server. Lots of C++ programmers on

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