Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
I have bought computers since the 1980's, both personal use (Apple) and corporate/government-contracts (SGI, Sun, many PC vendors). I Never buy _any_ additional memory from the computer vendor. It has always been cheaper to buy memory from a memory vendor - much cheaper! That proof is

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Definitely. A significant percentage of Windows buyers are motivated by low self esteem. This is a well-known phenomenon. In some cases perhaps. When I speak of what type of computer one wants, I am speaking of personal

Re: [CGUYS] wii/sony/xbox ratings

2009-04-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] wii/sony/xbox ratings Sent:4/12/20 6:43 AM Received:4/9/09 10:21 PM From:Tom Piwowar, t...@tjpa.com Reply-To:Computer Guys Discussion List, COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM To: CGUYS Computer Guys Listserv, COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind [was Another new Windows ad...]

2009-04-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
I have an MSI Wind which I use as my jukebox, with iTunes. I've read articles in which people describe how they put OS X on the machine, but it seems that one must be quite knowledgeable to do so. I'm not that knowledgeable. Has anyone heard of a turnkey solution? Yes there is a disk image

Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3

2009-04-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
Let's hope USB3 is stable, because I can easily see it replacing SATA internally if it is. I hold little hope for USB3. The engineers working on it do not appear to be the brightest bulbs. * ** List info, subscription

[CGUYS] OSX typing tutor software ... one more time?

2009-04-10 Thread db
10 days ago or so I inquired about recommendations for OSX typing tutor software. I got some good recomendations ... one of which was a software app. Unfortunately, I have forgotten the name and am 3000 miles away from the computer with those emails on it. Would you all be so kind to

Re: [CGUYS] wii/sony/xbox ratings

2009-04-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
The point, which you seem to miss, is that PS2 is an obsolete product. Not for Nielsen numbers. Nielsen is measuring what people have in their homes and are using. PS2 Wins. If you want to track non-obsolete products you should be looking at current sales. For that the latest stats are at the

Re: [CGUYS] OSX typing tutor software ... one more time?

2009-04-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
Unfortunately, I have forgotten the name and am 3000 miles away from the computer with those emails on it. Would you all be so kind to remind me again? You are never far away from the CGuys. At www.cguys.org you will find a link to archives. You can find the thread and an answer in a flash.

Re: [CGUYS] wii/sony/xbox ratings

2009-04-10 Thread mike
So first you argue they don't use their machines more...then you say when they do they are lazy good for nothings? And you wonder why people think you hate MS with your no win scenarios you play out here. On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Looks like I shouldn't

Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind

2009-04-10 Thread mike
Might want to read again...I never sent a link. I'm not sure why you are looking to spend 450, you've made it clear you don't mind spending more on apple hardware. I spend quite a bit more getting ipods then I would getting other mp3 players. Some of us do like the experiment factor, the case

Re: [CGUYS] wii/sony/xbox ratings

2009-04-10 Thread DBCfour
Speaking of...how many here have ever been a participant in a Nielsen poll or survey? Not me... D In a message dated 4/10/2009 10:11:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, t...@tjpa.com writes: And I'm sure you'll be terrified by any discussion of what the Nielsen numbers really represent.

Re: [CGUYS] wii/sony/xbox ratings

2009-04-10 Thread mike
I participated in one local radio survey...never another. One point to add perhaps, MS basically has unlimited money to dump into the xbox line, and they have shown a wilingness to do so. Sony is another story however with their company wide losses. And I've said before...the wii is not

Re: [CGUYS] wii/sony/xbox ratings

2009-04-10 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
For about a year and a half or two ears we were a nielsen family. We were supposed to scan all that we bought and either put in the prices or they could automatically get the price. When we got home we pulled out the scanner and scanned every item we bought (for personal use) and then put in

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread Jeff Wright
 When I speak of what type of computer one wants, I am speaking of personal use.  A fair number of purchases for personal use are also predicated upon the need to do work at home for an employer. It may very well be the situation, but that is a business tool needs case.  Windows buyers fear

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread Jeff Wright
Are you really that clueless about business economics? I expect better, even from a WFB. To stay in business these companies are either going to raise prices 50 to 100% or start sourcing their parts at junkyards. A profit margin that slim is simply unsustainable. Project, monkey boy, project.

Re: [CGUYS] wii/sony/xbox ratings

2009-04-10 Thread Chris Dunford
The point, which you seem to miss, is that PS2 is an obsolete product. Not for Nielsen numbers. Nielsen is measuring what people have in their homes and are using. PS2 Wins. If you want to track non-obsolete products you should be looking at current sales. For that the latest stats are at

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread b_s-wilk
My response was aimed at Tom who thinks that giving consumers a good bargain is a bad thing. In his book, $$$ = quality; it's largely an exercise in snobbery. There is some correlation with price and reliability, but not always. In real estate, it's location, location, location. You

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread b_s-wilk
Most products have at least a 50% markup [that means base cost is 50% of selling price, not including shipping, handling, storage, marketing, advertising, sales]. With some electronics it has been as low as 10% to cover costs and have a minimal profit. A net profit of 1.7% is hardly worth

Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind

2009-04-10 Thread b_s-wilk
http://snipurl.com/flkdk $759 (assuming you pay for the OS) vs. $999 for a MacBook. That's way too much. I would spend the extra $240 just for the reliability factor. Heck if I wanted to go that way I could just go to the nearest college campus and steal a MacBook. The Dell and HP

Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind [was Another new Windows ad...]

2009-04-10 Thread Alvin Auerbach
Thanks Betty, Tom, and Mike, for your info. After looking it over, I've decided that for my degree of computer expertise, I should leave my MSI Wind just they way it is. It does run iTunes well, and that's the main reason that I purchased it. BTW, I paid $379 + $9 shipping at Costco.com,

Re: [CGUYS] iPod digital audio

2009-04-10 Thread b_s-wilk
My Sennheisers do well enough and are very portable You probably said which ones they are some time back, but I overlooked it. Please tell! Mary I first bought the MX 500 earbuds a few years ago, then lost them last fall, and bought two more pairs from an Amazon store. They're somewhat

Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind

2009-04-10 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I think you are using that Apple math where everything costs more. The MSI wind can be picked up for less then 320, add in a used copy of OS X for say 100 bux? Now you are looking at less then 450. I know you like to pay

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread Jeff Wright
You have it backwards. $$$ doesn't equal quality. However, often it costs more to design and make a quality product--and have money left over for RD. No, I don't have it backwards; I explained as much. Please read again what I wrote.

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread Jeff Wright
Apple is very good at business. They offer excellent products at a fair price with enough cash left over for RD. How much of the competitors' 1.7% profit goes to RD? Betty--Assuming Tom's claim is real (he misplaced his link to back this up, goshdarnit!), 1.7% is an average of ALL PC makers,

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
There is another problem with this number. Apple combines their whole operation. Hardware and Software. You would have to separate out what their profit margin is on the OS, and what their profit margin is on their hardware (Computer) MS does not sell computers. They sell an OS, a Suite

[CGUYS] IE7 Internet Access Problem

2009-04-10 Thread Richard P.
Recently I've been having intermittent connectivity problems with IE7 accessing the Internet. More often than not, IE7 just sits there and spins away with no Internet activity showing in the Zone Alarm Intenet monitor. Shutting down the firewall doesn't help all the time (although it did seem to

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread mike
Foxconn makes boards for Apple towers too, I believe ASUS handles the laptop side. On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: There is another problem with this number. Apple combines their whole operation. Hardware and Software. You would have

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread Alvin Auerbach
Chronologically: Steve W. Steve J. came first. The hardware came first, then an OS to make the hardware do something useful in a relatively easy manner. Bill G. came last. It wasn't his hardware. The hardware was made by IBM. He didn't decide to sell an OS. IBM licensed QDOS from Bill,

Re: [CGUYS] wii/sony/xbox ratings

2009-04-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
Speaking of...how many here have ever been a participant in a Nielsen poll or survey? Not me... Me, me, me! The phoned me every morning to ask what I had watched the night before. The funny thing was that they always questioned me incredulously about gaps. They would say you watched

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread mike
Orginally being? OS X is based on freebsd and other open standard projects, not at all an apple designed os..Apple did what a lot of companies do, take a product and make it better. Classic mac OS was partially based on things coming out of xerox. I believe Jobs hired on one or several? of the

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread Chris Dunford
Chronologically: Steve W. Steve J. came first. The hardware came first, then an OS to make the hardware do something useful in a relatively easy manner. Bill G. came last. It wasn't his hardware. The hardware was made by IBM. I think that chronology is accurate, but only you're talking

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread Chris Dunford
Orginally being? OS X is based on freebsd and other open standard projects, not at all an apple designed os..Apple did what a lot of companies do, take a product and make it better. Classic mac OS was partially based on things coming out of xerox. I believe Jobs hired on one or

[CGUYS] cool firefox extension

2009-04-10 Thread mike
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5890 Tree Style Tabs. This does just what it says, puts your tabs on the side in the tree format. For those with tons of tabs open in firefox, this makes them much easier to find and hit. Great little extension.

[CGUYS] Firefox tabs

2009-04-10 Thread Sue Cubic
I have Firefox set to new pages should be opened in a new tab. This works fine if I click on a link in a new email. However, if I attempt to open a new site from my Personal Tool Bar, the new page opens in the tab that is currently open. Am I doing something wrong? The only way I can seem

Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

2009-04-10 Thread Tony B
I use my middle mouse button to open links in new tabs. On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net wrote: I have Firefox set to new pages should be opened in a new tab.  This works fine if I click on a link in a new email.  However, if I attempt to open a new site from my

Re: [CGUYS] cool firefox extension

2009-04-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
Tree Style Tabs. This does just what it says, puts your tabs on the side in the tree format. For those with tons of tabs open in firefox, this makes them much easier to find and hit. Great little extension. I saw that and I do like to have lots of tabs open, but my experience with FireFox

Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

2009-04-10 Thread Sue Cubic
At 04:29 PM 4/10/2009 -0400, you wrote: I use my middle mouse button to open links in new tabs. I don't have a middle mouse button. :) So I'm not missing something in the controls setup? Sue * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] wii/sony/xbox ratings

2009-04-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
So first you argue they don't use their machines more...then you say when they do they are lazy good for nothings? And you wonder why people think you hate MS with your no win scenarios you play out here. ??? The Nielsen study is looking at something very different than the hardware sales stats

Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind

2009-04-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
I'm not sure why you are looking to spend 450, you've made it clear you don't mind spending more on apple hardware. I spend quite a bit more getting ipods then I would getting other mp3 players. I don't mind spending more on Apple hardware because it works. I don't have to futz with it much.. I

Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

2009-04-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
Am I doing something wrong?  The only way I can seem to have more than one tab is to open a new tab first. Command-click on the link. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

2009-04-10 Thread Tony B
A laptop? Strangely, everyone I know - myself included - drags around mice with their laptops, so I *always* have a middle mouse button available. As Tom said, if you don't mind using two hands there are hotkeys. You can also right-click and open link in new tab. Thing is, you don't want EVERY

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
Classic mac OS was partially based on things coming out of xerox. I believe Jobs hired on one or several? of the guys who worked for xerox to work on the lisa OS. Someone here might know that history better. Not really. The Mac team did interact with the Xerox team as they were nearby

Re: [CGUYS] wii/sony/xbox ratings

2009-04-10 Thread mike
Why do you quote something, then talk about something else? When you say 'you', who are you talking to? I think you are skipping the part to see who is writing the emails. On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: So first you argue they don't use their machines

Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

2009-04-10 Thread b_s-wilk
I have Firefox set to new pages should be opened in a new tab. This works fine if I click on a link in a new email. However, if I attempt to open a new site from my Personal Tool Bar, the new page opens in the tab that is currently open. Am I doing something wrong? The only way I can seem to

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread Tom Piwowar
Bill G. came last. It wasn't his hardware. The hardware was made by IBM. And the OS was written by Digital Research. Some say MS stole it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** **

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread mike
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIMP_(computing) Doesn't look like it was just a mockup. On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Classic mac OS was partially based on things coming out of xerox. I believe Jobs hired on one or several? of the guys who worked for

Re: [CGUYS] OS X on an MSI Wind

2009-04-10 Thread mike
Here you provide and example of one of your worst traits...passing off your opinions as if they are facts. With your logic, Steve W would have never created the mac. He enjoyed *doing* things to computers, a lot of people do. Don't knock it...don't do it if you don't want to, but putting it

Re: [CGUYS] cool firefox extension

2009-04-10 Thread Chris Dunford
I saw that and I do like to have lots of tabs open, but my experience with FireFox (and other browsers) is that they run slower and slower as more tabs are open. So I often run with several browsers to divide my open tabs among them. This seems to avoid slowdowns. Is this just me or are

Re: [CGUYS] wii/sony/xbox ratings

2009-04-10 Thread Chris Dunford
Why do you quote something, then talk about something else I just identified this scheme earlier today as Plan #1. My dad used to have a joke about two guys stranded on a desert island. After they'd been through all their jokes a hundred times, they just gave each one a number, so one guy would

Re: [CGUYS] cool firefox extension

2009-04-10 Thread mike
Chrome does this too...does safari on mac? On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.comwrote: I saw that and I do like to have lots of tabs open, but my experience with FireFox (and other browsers) is that they run slower and slower as more tabs are open. So I

Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...

2009-04-10 Thread Chris Dunford
Bill G. came last. It wasn't his hardware. The hardware was made by IBM. And the OS was written by Digital Research. Some say MS stole it. Oh, boy, here we go. Who exactly says that, and why? MS licensed it, which to the best of my knowledge isn't theft. (Anyway, it was Seattle Computer

Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

2009-04-10 Thread Sue Cubic
At 05:08 PM 4/10/2009 -0400, you wrote: A laptop? Strangely, everyone I know - myself included - drags around mice with their laptops, so I *always* have a middle mouse button available. As Tom said, if you don't mind using two hands there are hotkeys. You can also right-click and open link in

Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

2009-04-10 Thread Sue Cubic
At 05:22 PM 4/10/2009 -0400, you wrote: In Firefox/Seamonkey/Flock/Camino location bar type: about:config In search field type:tab That gives you all the available choices for how you want tabs to work. Double-click on any and you can change the parameters. Confused? This explains

Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

2009-04-10 Thread Tony B
Heh. That scroll wheel *is* your middle mouse button. Press it down. On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net wrote: No, not a laptop.  It's a Logitech Trackman Wheel mouse.  No center button--in the center is a scroll wheel.

Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

2009-04-10 Thread Sue Cubic
At 08:22 PM 4/10/2009 -0400, you wrote: Heh. That scroll wheel *is* your middle mouse button. Press it down. I know that it locks the scroll, but didn't know it did anything else. I'll be darned! :) Sue * ** List

[CGUYS] Mac/PeeCee History [was: Another new Windows ad...]

2009-04-10 Thread b_s-wilk
Classic mac OS was partially based on things coming out of xerox. I believe Jobs hired on one or several? of the guys who worked for xerox to work on the lisa OS. Someone here might know that history better. Not really. The Mac team did interact with the Xerox team as they were nearby

Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs

2009-04-10 Thread b_s-wilk
A laptop? Strangely, everyone I know - myself included - drags around mice with their laptops, so I *always* have a middle mouse button available. As Tom said, if you don't mind using two hands there are hotkeys. You can also right-click and open link in new tab. Thing is, you don't want EVERY