Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

2009-08-02 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
I don't care what Gartner says if APPLE posts differently to the Feds (SEC) and signs on that it is accurate. I doubt Apple execs want to go to jail. Gartner will not go to jail if it provides wrong information. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Tony Bton...@gmail.com wrote: Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers) website, or the feds will own your computer. I am unable to reproduce his claims. Mr. Beck, and I am being kind here to refer to him so reverentially, also said just

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

2009-08-02 Thread Jeff Wright
I don't care what Gartner says if APPLE posts differently to the Feds (SEC) and signs on that it is accurate. I doubt Apple execs want to go to jail. Gartner will not go to jail if it provides wrong information. Yeah, but Gartner will kick sand in their face and hide their sunscreen if they

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread Jeff Wright
You are being too kind. Glenn Beck is about as bright as canned tuna. -Original Message- Mr. Beck, and I am being kind here to refer to him so reverentially, also said just a few days ago, again on Fox, that President Obama is most definitely a racist. A racist. He hates,

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread Chris Dunford
You are being too kind. Glenn Beck is about as bright as canned tuna. Well, the posters on Fox Nation disagree. In their view he's some kind of a god. Of course, Ann Coulter is too liberal for some of them (I am not making this up).

Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:16 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: Yes, I'm sure the FCC is much more knowledgeable about running Apple than Apple is. The question is whether or not the FCC can squint its way past 1934. I'm not holding my breath, since it still has commissioners [cough]Copps[/cough] who think

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:34 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: I don't care what Gartner says if APPLE posts differently to the Feds (SEC) and signs on that it is accurate. I doubt Apple execs want to go to jail. Gartner will not go to jail if it provides wrong information. Eschew

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: And we know that Apple *never* lies to the gummint about its finances. Correct. I guess you are not always wrong. Keep up the good work. * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-02 Thread Jordan
TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:16 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: Yes, I'm sure the FCC is much more knowledgeable about running Apple than Apple is. The question is whether or not the FCC can squint its way past 1934. I'm not holding my breath, since it still has commissioners

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Tony B wrote: Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers) website, or the feds will own your computer. Pretty typical con/neocon stuff. We see enough of that here. Some people just prefer to live in lalaland. Just imagine if John McCain had

Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-02 Thread Jeff Wright
About the only thing that can get a radical right-wing Mac hater to spring to the defense of Apple is the prospect of the people having a say in the way things run. Radical right? Seriously? Oh right, that's to turn the mob against me, or it's the product of your one-dimensional world-view.

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

2009-08-02 Thread Jeff Wright
Correct. I guess you are not always wrong. Keep up the good work. *pt* Apple. Options. Restatement. I'll presume you know how to google that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

[CGUYS] CARS.GOV Technically A Joy [Was: Gubmint computer grab]

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Tony B wrote: Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers) I have already been there and spent some time reviewing the code. These new Obama web sires are really a joy technically. Very sparse, clean, and well formatted code. Great use of CSS.

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Tony Bton...@gmail.com wrote: Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers) website, or the feds will own your computer. I am unable to reproduce his claims. (5 mins) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWs12ccbOiE I also experimented by going

[CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

2009-08-02 Thread db
I'm looking for an all in one wireless keyboard with mouse or pointer device that can be used for sitting back and working from your lap. Can anyone recommend such? db * ** List info, subscription management, list

Re: [CGUYS] CARS.GOV Technically A Joy [Was: Gubmint computer grab]

2009-08-02 Thread Chris Dunford
Very sparse, clean, and well formatted code. Great use of CSS. Great to see the best open source frameworks, like JQuery, used to implement interactivity. A model for how web sites ought to be coded. Worth your time to study. Shows us what can happen when you hire the very best. Don't let

Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-02 Thread Jeff Wright
... Mac hater... Yes, that must be why I want the FCC to piss off and Apple to do what it chooses to do with its own products. Brilliant deduction, Sherlock. And let's be perfectly clear about this: I don't hate Macs or Apple. Apple fleeces its customers with its profit margins, but its

[CGUYS] Just Imagine

2009-08-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
Imagine this: 1. We would not be looking at record deficits 2. We would not be elevating tax cheats to positions of power. 3. The president would not be calling police responding to 911 calls stupid. 4. We would not be about to confirm a Supreme Court justice who does not accept a right

[CGUYS] Selection bias?

2009-08-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
Found this on an organization career interest site: This application cannot be successfully completed with a Mac. Must have some really sharp web designers there, eh? Matthew * ** List info, subscription management,

Re: [CGUYS] CARS.GOV Technically A Joy [Was: Gubmint computer grab]

2009-08-02 Thread Mike
And spend millions for what should cost thousands. Their website should be a little more then pretty for what we paid. Sent from my iPod On Aug 2, 2009, at 12:05 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Tony B wrote: Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread mike
That neocon label you toss around is really a moving target, I can't get a lock on who manages to become one of those except those who you don't agree with and you don't want to actually debate and just start calling names. BTW, the other boob that was elected is doing the same thing, he's just

Re: [CGUYS] Selection bias?

2009-08-02 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Matthew Taylortaylorsmatt...@gmail.com wrote: Found this on an organization career interest site:  This application cannot be successfully completed with a Mac. Must have some really sharp web designers there, eh? That is called pre-screening, somewhat akin

Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-02 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: It's Apple's user base that sucks, not its products.  An obnoxious, smug, asinine, shun-worthy group if ever there was. Ouch! That hurt. Do you always paint with such a wide brush? The painter's union would not like that

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread mike
BTW, the warning that Beck describes does come up, and it does come from a .gov website but it's the esc.gov website. The page Beck was showing was for dealers, LOGIN/PASS protected for dealers enrolled in the cash for slaughtering pigs...I mean buying clunkers program. I keep confusing this

Re: [CGUYS] Just Imagine

2009-08-02 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Matthew Taylortaylorsmatt...@gmail.com wrote: 1. We would not be looking at record deficits Who are you blaming for that? 2. We would not be elevating tax cheats to positions of power. Is this something new? 3. The president would not be calling

Re: [CGUYS] Just Imagine

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:07 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: We really don't need such a site, we just happen to have one. Ain't America great? I'll take a VP who merely says some dumb things as opposed to a VP, Cheney, who says and then actually does dumb things. Is being a truth teller really

Re: [CGUYS] CARS.GOV Technically A Joy [Was: Gubmint computer grab]

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Don't let this out, because the neocons will use it as proof that Obama spent [insert arbitrary large figure, often $17 mil] on a web site. It's not true, but that sort of thing doesn't get in the way of the birther-types over at FoxNation.

Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 3:36 PM, db wrote: wireless keyboard with mouse http://www.google.com/products?rls=enq=wireless+keyboard+with+mouse * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** **

Re: [CGUYS] Just Imagine

2009-08-02 Thread mike
Come on, we're talking about Joe...he's far from silver tongued... On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:26 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:07 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: We really don't need such a site, we just happen to have one. Ain't America great? I'll take a VP who

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:54 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, the warning that Beck describes does come up, and it does come from a .gov website but it's the esc.gov website.  The page Beck was showing was for dealers, LOGIN/PASS protected for dealers enrolled in the cash for slaughtering

Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

2009-08-02 Thread Tony B
No, but a comment in general. We got a wireless mouse/keyboard combo once a couple years back. Turns out it's not nearly as useful as it seems at first. After the tenth time in an hour you rock forward to read something on the screen, you end up just staying there. The keyboard rarely leaves the

Re: [CGUYS] CARS.GOV Technically A Joy [Was: Gubmint computer grab]

2009-08-02 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: And spend millions for what should cost thousands. Their website should be a little more then pretty for what we paid. Apparently their website is quite a bit more than just pretty for what we paid. According to Beck and the

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread mike
I never said he was right. I just said the site exists. On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:36 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:54 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, the warning that Beck describes does come up, and it does come from a .gov website but

Re: [CGUYS] CARS.GOV Technically A Joy [Was: Gubmint computer grab]

2009-08-02 Thread mike
AWESOME! We're good then. WOOHOO. Actually you don't need the NSA to take over your system, just an iPhone and a couple of texts.. On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:41 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: And spend millions

Re: [CGUYS] Selection bias?

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: Found this on an organization career interest site: This application cannot be successfully completed with a Mac. Must have some really sharp web designers there, eh? This lets applicants know up front that it is an oppressive workplace

Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: I do, however, long for the day when the FCC building is converted to low-income housing. It'll at least do some good then. Then Rupert Murdoch could do to us what Berlusconi did to the Italians. You would love that.

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
FDR On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:36 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, who was this last President who totaled our economy? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Yes, that must be why I want the FCC to piss off and Apple to do what it chooses to do with its own products. Brilliant deduction, Sherlock. Baseball without umpires. Makes a lot of sense. About the only thing that could make it better would

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:51 PM, mike wrote: I never said he was right. I just said the site exists. I tracked it down. It is here... http://maps.google.com/maps?latlng=5796664799538147458 * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] CARS.GOV Technically A Joy [Was: Gubmint computer grab]

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:53 PM, mike wrote: Actually you don't need the NSA to take over your system, just an iPhone and a couple of texts.. You keep insisting on things that never happened while ignoring things that happen all the time. You are definitely living in lalaland.

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread mike
Are you sure? I think the FEMA camps are there... On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:12 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:51 PM, mike wrote: I never said he was right. I just said the site exists. I tracked it down. It is here...

Re: [CGUYS] CARS.GOV Technically A Joy [Was: Gubmint computer grab]

2009-08-02 Thread mike
LALALALALA Make sure you tell everyone that was at blackhat that it didn't happen. On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:18 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:53 PM, mike wrote: Actually you don't need the NSA to take over your system, just an iPhone and a couple of texts.. You

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: Absolutely NOT, Tom. There just is no point in debating facts with one who only wants to employ facts that either are invented (Gartner clearly contravenes Apple- and the penalties for lying- in spite of your coy, smart-aleck

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Matthew Taylortaylorsmatt...@gmail.com wrote: FDR That's who I thought you meant. Hadda be a democrat, right? I was thinkin' of someone else. Steve * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:51 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: I never said he was right.  I just said the site exists. Worse than not right. Call it outright fabrication. Steve * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

2009-08-02 Thread mike
It was never exploited out in the wild. The patch was out weeks after Apple knew about it, not the next day. The patch was out the day after the exploit was shown at the blackhat conference, Apple realized they couldn't put it off anymore. On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread mike
I didn't answer, so you don't know who I meant. On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:36 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Matthew Taylortaylorsmatt...@gmail.com wrote: FDR That's who I thought you meant. Hadda be a democrat, right? I was thinkin' of

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:37 PM, mike wrote: It was never exploited out in the wild. The patch was out weeks after Apple knew about it, not the next day. The patch was out the day after the exploit was shown at the blackhat conference, Apple realized they couldn't put it off anymore. It is

Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Tony B wrote: No, but a comment in general. We got a wireless mouse/keyboard combo once a couple years back. Turns out it's not nearly as useful as it seems at first. Tony is correct. Connection tends to wander off and on at times too. Not so good for games.

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

2009-08-02 Thread mike
That's true, I cling. I note you can't dispute the facts however. On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:49 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:37 PM, mike wrote: It was never exploited out in the wild. The patch was out weeks after Apple knew about it, not the next day. The patch

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

2009-08-02 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
That's EXACTLY what I mean, Tom. FACTS! Your example is what they prognosticate- so they can always beat the numbers. What they report- that's real. Please keep to reality- and not like they do on reality TV. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:45 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't answer, so you don't know who I meant. Oh, yes I did. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

2009-08-02 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:52 PM, TPiwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Tony is correct. Connection tends to wander off and on at times too. Not so good for games. I also understand that the bluetooth connection, because it is pulsed as opposed to continuous, presents problems as well. Steve

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
You said totaled, not damaged. Lots of P's have damaged it, R D both. Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Carter, Nixon, Johnson. FDR was the last one to do such serious, systemic, harm that it the effects are still active today. On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:36 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun,

Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

2009-08-02 Thread mike
I have a wireless mouse with no issues. I don't game much...just URT URT. On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:07 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:52 PM, TPiwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Tony is correct. Connection tends to wander off and on at times too. Not

Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

2009-08-02 Thread db
Yes, but those are all PC keyboards mostly with separate mice except for the expensive ( $185 )one made by Apple and it has no integral pointer / mousepad. The reason I am looking for such is to turn a white Tiger macbook with a broken unreadable screen into a multimedia center machine

Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

2009-08-02 Thread Jordan
db wrote: Yes, but those are all PC keyboards mostly with separate mice except for the expensive ( $185 )one made by Apple and it has no integral pointer / mousepad. The reason I am looking for such is to turn a white Tiger macbook with a broken unreadable screen into a multimedia center

Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-02 Thread Jeff Wright
Baseball without umpires. Makes a lot of sense. About the only thing that could make it better would be to let the players carry guns. That certainly would eliminate the designated hitter rule once and for all. * ** List

Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-02 Thread Jeff Wright
Ouch! That hurt. Do you always paint with such a wide brush? The painter's union would not like that very much. I make sure that I use painters tape and a tarp so I can afford to use a wide brush. There are some Mac users who aren't complete zealots, they're actually decent to talk to,

Re: [CGUYS] Just Imagine

2009-08-02 Thread Jeff Wright
Just imagine if John McCain had won the election boobs like this would be running the country and we would be facing the prospect of our grandchildren speaking Chinese instead of English. Your grandchildren are going to be speaking Chinese no matter who gets elected. Shiny. Gao yang jong

Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

2009-08-02 Thread Jordan
To continue: I use the Logitech cordless optical trackman on the iMac that I use for EyeTV in the living room. I just checked it and with used batteries it was still working from 8 feet away. I could use one of the bluetooth keyboards, but I haven't sprung for that. db wrote: Yes, but those

Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

2009-08-02 Thread db
Speaking of Logitech, since Tom sent the keyboard URL I have been doing some more googling around and found some expensive wireless keyboards with trackpads (in the $125 range) and one ... the Logitech MediaBoard Pro Bluetooth Keyboard for $69 !! that is meant for use (30' range) with the

[CGUYS] Wireless remote control app for iPhone?

2009-08-02 Thread db
As another alternative solution re: my previous post ( Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac?? ) about controlling a white tiger laptop attached to a digital TV, I am researching remote control apps for the iPhone. I see ones that will let you control iTunes. Does anyone

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: That's EXACTLY what I mean, Tom. FACTS! I am not going to waste any more time on you Birthers. You just ignore the facts and this goes around and around. Auditioning for Fox News I guess.

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: FDR was the last one to do such serious, systemic, harm that it the effects are still active today. That's why a grateful nation built a huge monument to honor him. I know, I know, there is no such monument in lalaland. BTW, it really is a

Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

2009-08-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
Use a Wireless trackball. On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:15 PM, db wrote: (So would having a keyboard with a separate mouse as there is no where to place the mouse but one's lap.) * ** List info, subscription management, list

Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: There are some Mac users who aren't complete zealots, they're actually decent to talk to, but you start getting into measuring that concentration at parts per million. The problem is really hugely insecure WFBs who are recently enflamed as M$

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT - Michael Crichton

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
The greatest challenges facing mankind is the challenge of distinguishing reality from fantasy, truth from propaganda. Perceiving the truth has always been a challenge to mankind, but in the information age (or, as I think of it, the disinformation age) it takes on a special urgency and

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
There were monuments to Lenin, Stalin, Hussein, Mao, et. al. Your point? On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:35 PM, TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: FDR was the last one to do such serious, systemic, harm that it the effects are still active today. That's why a

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread Jeff Wright
I know, I know, there is no such monument in lalaland. It's behind the Juniors section. http://tinyurl.com/kkpg6m * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT - Michael Crichton

2009-08-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
Interesting you should choose the Late Mr. Crichton. Many in the AGW Alarmist camp revile his heretical views that consensus != science. Matthew On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:44 PM, TPiwowar wrote: The greatest challenges facing mankind is the challenge of distinguishing reality from fantasy,

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
There are differences between shines and monuments/memorials. One is for the purposes of remembrance one is for the purpose of worship. Most of the ones you mentioned are no longer with us, having been destroyed when the worship of those folks fell into abeyance. Honestly I think a monument

Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

2009-08-02 Thread Minor Paula
I'm looking for an all in one wireless keyboard with mouse or pointer device that can be used for sitting back and working from your lap. Can anyone recommend such? db I use the DiNovo Edge with my Mac and love it! It's not cheap tho. Paula Minor raven880atindy.net Even I felt sorry

Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

2009-08-02 Thread Minor Paula
No, but a comment in general. We got a wireless mouse/keyboard combo once a couple years back. Turns out it's not nearly as useful as it seems at first. Tony is correct. Connection tends to wander off and on at times too. Not so good for games. I think it depends what you want to do with

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

2009-08-02 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
Wow- that's the kettle calling the pot black. You are the Primary denier. I have no axe to grind- you, on the other hand, have no axe but one with a Mac imprint deeply engrained. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial,

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
Reverend; If you don't think FDR is worshiped by many you are not paying attention. Matthew On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: There are differences between shines and monuments/memorials. One is for the purposes of remembrance one is for the purpose of worship.

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT - Michael Crichton

2009-08-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
To amplify my point: http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-ourenvironmentalfuture.html On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:50 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: Interesting you should choose the Late Mr. Crichton. Many in the AGW Alarmist camp revile his heretical views that consensus != science. Matthew On

Re: [CGUYS] Just Imagine

2009-08-02 Thread Mike
I knew you were browncoat! On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: Your grandchildren are going to be speaking Chinese no matter who gets elected. Shiny. Gao yang jong duh goo yang! *** ** **

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Anyone or anything can be and are worshipped. Stewart At 08:59 PM 8/2/2009, you wrote: Reverend; If you don't think FDR is worshiped by many you are not paying attention. Matthew Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL

Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

2009-08-02 Thread db
Need a keyboard too for logging into sites, typing URL's etc db Matthew Taylor wrote: Use a Wireless trackball. On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:15 PM, db wrote: (So would having a keyboard with a separate mouse as there is no where to place the mouse but one's lap.)

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT - Michael Crichton

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: To amplify my point: http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-ourenvironmentalfuture.html Reasonable and thoughtful. However, this speech was given over 4-1/2 years ago. Since then scientists have accumulated much additional evidence. If he

Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
Agreed. My point was that what some worship, others loathe. A statue / monument does not make someone great, it only makes them popular with those as had the pull to erect the monument. Matthew On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:19 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Anyone or anything can be and are

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT - Michael Crichton

2009-08-02 Thread Matthew Taylor
What makes you sure? Do you have any evidence to support that view? Is there anything materially different about our understanding of climate between then and now that is especially compelling? Matthew On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:35 PM, TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Matthew

Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

2009-08-02 Thread db
Dinovo Edge Hmm $130 ... I see it has a track circle or something. Does that work well? Do you know if it will work from the couch 20 ft away or so? db Minor Paula wrote: No, but a comment in general. We got a wireless mouse/keyboard combo once a couple years back. Turns out it's not nearly

Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-02 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: There are some Mac users who aren't complete zealots, they're actually decent to talk to, but you start getting into measuring that concentration at parts per million. Kinda like all those Windows users who tell me that

Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT - Michael Crichton

2009-08-02 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: What makes you sure? Do you have any evidence to support that view? Is there anything materially different about our understanding of climate between then and now that is especially compelling? I'm sure that in lalaland nothing has

Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-02 Thread Jeff Wright
Kinda like all those Windows users who tell me that they would love to switch to Macs but for the fact that they have too much money already invested in Windows apps. Sunk costs is a reasonable ...er... reason for not investing in a new platform. Unlike Uncle Moneybags Piwowar, some of us