Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... True, the post office certainly has on many occasions. Does anyone really stop and think what the post office does on a daily basis? I have yet to find a privet company that has worked as efficiently and consistently

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... I appreciate your faith. I guess the most distressing part of the whole affair is seeing the wing nuts so ready to sell out their country for a sack of gold. They support the ultra-rich insurance barons, the M$s, the Comcasts, etc. and give

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2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
The beauty of the Single Payer is that we all will share the risks. Isn´t this one of the reasons that we live in society? That's what insurance is: risk pooling. It's also something I engage by choice, not coercion. I don't choose to be live in a society to be compelled, by the threat of

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
I pay less the $200/mo for food. Never really thought about food costs being high. Of course no one is this household is obese. And we eat steak twice a week. Chicken, pork and fish make up the other days. I agree that housing costs are through the roof. No pun intended. But I blame the

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. Sometimes better than others. The government is not perfect but neither are we. Capitalism is not perfect either. There are some things better handle under the capitalist strategy and other things not. Stewart

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
I was born and lived in Idaho for many years. I'm a strong supporter of gun rights. But these idiots bring guns to a presidential speeches need to be locked up just for being stupid. And to protect the rest of us from their stupidity. I wonder if these people believe their gun rights

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
-Original Message- From: Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 6, 2009 4:21 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. Sometimes better than others. The government is not perfect but neither

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread mike
Imagine if you had food insurance, you could eat steak every day! On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: I pay less the $200/mo for food. Never really thought about food costs being high. Of course no one is this household is obese. And we eat steak

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread mike
-Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net Sent: Sep 6, 2009 3:52 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. Sometimes better than others. The government

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
This is such a stupid comment I've heard far to often. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:04 AM, mike wrote: Brilliant! Socialism is great till you run out of everyone elses

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
I believe those at the town hall meetings could do a lot to quiet these agitators. If everyone there were to simply turn and stare at the person shouting I'd bet they'd quit rather quickly. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
You did not understand me. I am not going to insist. With all respect... Marcio -Original Message- From: mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 6, 2009 5:33 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... You don't seem to have a full grasp on capitalism

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 6, 2009 5:34 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... The UK and Canada are moving away from socialized medicine, not towards it. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I see no conflicts having socialized programs

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
No I get your point. I have lived under both systems (Canada's and Ours) I have a very compelling interest in this. I think the right to purchase and get Insurance is a right! The problem is that we have made insurance only something for someone who can afford it and be eligible. My

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
] Intensive Care Unit... The beauty of the Single Payer is that we all will share the risks. Isn´t this one of the reasons that we live in society? That's what insurance is: risk pooling. It's also something I engage by choice, not coercion. I don't choose to be live in a society

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
This once again goes with the assumption that a government health care option would destroy all private insurance companies. While I'd love to see this happen I doubt it would. Insurance companies are the largest business in the world. I think it would take a whole lot more then a

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
Why do so many believe this health OPTION would be forced on them? What part of the word OPTION do these people not understand? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Mike
Who would have thought the unions and government would own a car company 15 years ago? Sent from my iPod On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: This once again goes with the assumption that a government health care option would destroy all private insurance

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
3:52 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. Sometimes better than others. The government is not perfect but neither are we. Capitalism is not perfect either. There are some things better handle under

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I think I heard somewhere that Insurance companies profits are up 1000% the past 7-10 years while rates have gone up 300% in the same time frame. Someone is making money. Our rates went up less than 5% this year, but they are very high to begin with. Stewart At 04:59 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Marcio
...@earthlink.net Sent: Sep 6, 2009 6:26 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... No I get your point. I have lived under both systems (Canada's and Ours) I have a very compelling interest in this. I think the right to purchase and get Insurance is a right

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
That's just stupid, but we already have food insurance of a sorts. They're called food stamps for those who can't afford food. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:37 PM, mike wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
There is another option. No insurance no health care. In Canada they ask for your card. NO Card cash up front. That way they are guaranteed they will be paid. Everyone has insurance. You travel up there for a length of time, you buy coverage (supplemental-who said private cannot compete)

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread mike
is moving in the direction. Marcio -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net Sent: Sep 6, 2009 3:52 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. Sometimes better than

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
Why do so many believe this health OPTION would be forced on them? What part of the word OPTION do these people not understand? Do I need to point you to videos of Obama advocating a single payer plan or to the current proponents who have proposed the same over the years? This is a

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
But you pay for us (USA) to have a military, public security, wars... roads and much more. Are you being coerced?...Or...you are sharing?... The military is provided for explicitly in the US Constitution. Roads are a given and again, are constitutionally provided, and with all due respect,

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
Don't know, but this is a bad thing why? After all, you and I are the government. I kind of like the idea of owning part of GM. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Mike wrote: Who

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net Sent: Sep 6, 2009 3:52 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. Sometimes better than others. The government is not perfect but neither are we. Capitalism

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
Roads are a given? And they're constitutionally provided? Where? Please post that part of the constitution for me. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: But you pay

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
No, you don't. The single payer plan, which is an option. No where have I seen it written or said by it's proponents that it would be required of everyone. It wouldn't be taken out of your paycheck automatically without your consent like social security or other taxes. What is so friggen

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote:        I was born and lived in Idaho for many years. I'm a strong supporter of gun rights. But these idiots bring guns to a presidential speeches need to be locked up just for being stupid. They bring their guns to those

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Mike
Search youtube for obama single payer, should be the first hit posted by nakedemporer. I'd post the link but I still can't copy/paste. Sent from my iPod On Sep 6, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: No, you don't. The single payer plan, which is an option. No where

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
First off politicians say a lot of things when they are working on getting elected and before they become candidates. Follow through is not very good. (Matter of fact it sucks) Once a politician gets elected they go into re-election mode. Which means many of their ideals get tempered.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Eric S. Sande
They bring their guns to those events not for protection - there are plenty of police at these functions - but rather to convey a veiled threat of death to those who oppose their views. Note than some of them carry a sign that harkens back to the Revolutionary War about how the tree of liberty

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 6, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Lo and behold condition improves GRD dies down and she decides she should change permanently the Pain meds. Calls doctors office to get prescription to get it filled. They call it into pharmacy. We go to pharmacy a day later to

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
Wow, this kind of sounds like what I've gone through. I'm on SSI (which I don't feel guilty about since I've been paying for it my entire working adult life) and also Washington STATE medical assistance. I'm not quite sure why I'm on the Washington STATE medical thing but when I was in

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
It sucks, and we pay a very high premium to get screwed like this. And before someone tells me to make another choice I have no choices it is this plan or none. (We can pay more for less deductibles on the medical, but that is the only difference.) Stewart At 07:28 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Mark A. Metz
This discussion is on a subject outside my expertise, but I did receive a link to this video from one of my Science feeds (evolvingthoughts.net). I thought you all might enjoy it. http://brightcove.newscientist.com/services/player/bcpid2227271001?bctid=30583310001 Mark

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Steve at Verizon
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: You must have government mandate minimums. If they do not many companies will try and fly through with a bunch of worthless insurance. Herein lies the major problem. What constitutes 'minimum' coverage? Yearly physicals (not part of Medicare), cosmetic surgery,

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I think what this video shows is that our medical care is all about making money and not about treating patients to a healthy outcome. I keep hearing the phrase let competition rule. I was taught many years ago, that the more doctors you have in a region the higher the prices. Doctors do not

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
In Canada it covers minimum basic health care. No cosmetic surgery, no sex change operations, maybe flu shots, no therapeutic massage, Abortion was not legal till 20 years ago. Also no dental is included (private) some psychiatric is included and one basic eye exam a year. Also note you

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Eric S. Sandeesa...@erols.com wrote: Pfizer can pay a $2.3B fine and it's just the cost of doing business. Yet there are those, and they are legion, that prefer Pfizer and their ilk to run the healthcare system, and in many instances resist attempts to have

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Oh I got stirred up a long time ago. Stewart At 10:03 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote: Yes, and thank goodness that our current administration has had the audacity to be willing to stir the pot on a stew that has needed stirring for a long, long time. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread b_s-wilk
FedEx and UPS have been using the US Postal Service for final delivery of many of their packages. This is private carriers using the _public option_ to save money. They ship long distance on their planes or trucks to the local or regional post office. Then the postal carriers deliver packages

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread b_s-wilk
Tom is right in a way that conservatives have been wanting for a long time, but Mike is wrong--it's everybody's money except the wealthiest people who remain mostly untaxed. Social Security and Medicare are flat taxes, no exceptions, just what they love. However, there's a huge exception that

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
No, you don't. The single payer plan, which is an option. No where have I seen it written or said by it's proponents that it would be required of everyone. Jeff, that IS the single defining component of single payer. NO ONE else is paying other than the guvmint, which is kinda the point of

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Steve at Verizon
And vice versa. The USPS uses FedEx and UPS to bulk ship US Mail via their planes and trucks to other USPS facilities for mailbox delivery. This has nothing to do with public option. It is called subcontracting. This two way subcontracting already exists in health insurance. Medicare

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
I was taught many years ago, that the more doctors you have in a region the higher the prices. Doctors do not compete, they judge one another on the amount they make. So if one doctor raises prices, all of them will to stay even. Could you imagine what would happen if Doctors advertised

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
Roads are a given? And they're constitutionally provided? Where? Please post that part of the constitution for me. Oh fer cryin...You DO know how to use a search engine, right? 5th Amendment, takings clause, US Constitution. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Wright
OK on the Mackey thing. Yes I did read it, and he has some great things to say, HOWEVER. You must have government mandate minimums. If they do not many companies will try and fly through with a bunch of worthless insurance. Instead of removing mandates, make them nation wide. At

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-06 Thread Jeff Miles
Ok, and you have a problem with this why? Do you really hate the poor that much? I was mostly talking about the option everyone seems to be against. I know I hate it when I'm given options, don't you? As for paying for others health care, I really don't mind. We all end up paying for

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-05 Thread rleesimon
Hey ...leave Tom alone ...he got 'nuf cra'frum apr to last him... -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Intensive Care Unit... Do you cover your eyes and ears when you say that? On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 6:36 AM,

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-05 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com: Hey ...leave Tom alone ...he got 'nuf cra'frum apr to last him... Hey. He brings it on himself. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** **

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-05 Thread Marcio
Well... he has been quite helpful to me... Marcio -Original Message- From: Reid Katan ka...@his.com Sent: Sep 5, 2009 2:44 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Quoting rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com: Hey ...leave Tom alone ...he got 'nuf

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-05 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 5, 2009, at 5:18 PM Sep 5, Marcio wrote: Well... he has been quite helpful to me... Don't bother arguing with this bunch. What they have inflicted on this List in recent months is much like what the USA has had inflicted on it in recent weeks of wild attacks against rational

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-05 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com: On Sep 5, 2009, at 5:18 PM Sep 5, Marcio wrote: Well... he has been quite helpful to me... Don't bother arguing with this bunch. What they have inflicted on this List in recent months is much like what the USA has had inflicted on it in recent weeks of wild

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-05 Thread Jeff Wright
Don't bother arguing with this bunch. What they have inflicted on this List in recent months is much like what the USA has had inflicted on it in recent weeks of wild attacks against rational health care. I don't know if you have been following any of this from afar, doctor, but it has

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-05 Thread Marcio
Message- From: Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 5, 2009 8:43 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Don't bother arguing with this bunch. What they have inflicted on this List in recent months is much like what the USA has had inflicted

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-05 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 5, 2009, at 11:18 PM, Marcio wrote: Ihave always been interested in health care as an MD and of course as a patient. I am very surprised that this great Country will not adopt a Single Payer, Medicare for all. But Americans will alwways do the right thing, after trying everything

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-05 Thread Eric S. Sande
But Americans will alwways do the right thing, after trying everything else. Yes, the system is supposed to be self-correcting. But it is naiive to suppose that institutions that have stakes in the game will leave the table.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-04 Thread katan
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:50:30 -0400, t.piwowar wrote: America has its Dick Cheney. CGUYS has Chris Dunford. Ever notice how The List can have a pleasant conversation, or even a lively debate. . .until Tom joins in? -- R:\katan LET'S

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-04 Thread Jordan
katan wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:50:30 -0400, t.piwowar wrote: America has its Dick Cheney. CGUYS has Chris Dunford. Ever notice how The List can have a pleasant conversation, or even a lively debate. . .until Tom joins in? No.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-04 Thread mike
Do you cover your eyes and ears when you say that? On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: katan wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:50:30 -0400, t.piwowar wrote: America has its Dick Cheney. CGUYS has Chris Dunford. Ever notice how The List can have a pleasant

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-03 Thread Chris Dunford
America has its Dick Cheney. CGUYS has Chris Dunford. What an ignorant comment that is... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-03 Thread Jeff Wright
America has its Dick Cheney. CGUYS has Chris Dunford. What an ignorant comment that is... No, Chris, run with it. Ask Tom to go hunting. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** **

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-02 Thread db
] Intensive Care Unit... Actually Dells rank a little higher on the quality scale than HP's and I think even Gateways now. Stewart At 07:54 PM 9/1/2009, you wrote: Quoting Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com: What do you mean by Dells? Dell computers. www.dell.com They build computers

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-02 Thread katan
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:42:58 -0300, Marcio wrote: Dell? No, I am always doing generic computers... I buy the parts... This is no good? If you don't know what you're doing, or have a questionable shop, this is no good. Isn't this a computer that you use for business? You don't need the headaches

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-02 Thread John Settle
* I don´t have a Dell The suggestion is you buy one. Hee is their international sales page. http://multinationalexpansion.suite101.com/article.cfm/dell_computer_international_sales

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-02 Thread db
Marcio, Then your questions for this list will be more about what software can I run to accomplish such and such ... or how can I sync it to my telephone... and not how do I get it to start up... I've lost everything kind of issues... But we'll help you with whatever ... we're just hoping

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-02 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: We already know the answer to the questionable shop part. They've given Marcio some very wrong information twice (that we know about). Telling customers the truth is a very bad, unpardonable thing to do. Must keep pumping the M$ party line.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-02 Thread Chris Dunford
On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: We already know the answer to the questionable shop part. They've given Marcio some very wrong information twice (that we know about). Telling customers the truth is a very bad, unpardonable thing to do. Must keep pumping the M$ party line.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
And the truth shall set you free. Stewart At 06:51 PM 9/2/2009, you wrote: On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: We already know the answer to the questionable shop part. They've given Marcio some very wrong information twice (that we know about). Telling customers the truth is

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-02 Thread Marcio
@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... And the truth shall set you free. Stewart At 06:51 PM 9/2/2009, you wrote: On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: We already know the answer to the questionable shop part. They've given Marcio some very wrong information twice

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-02 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Unfortunately for your prejudices, the information he received was not the truth, it was wrong. Out-and-out, unadorned, irredeemably wrong. Not correct. False. Unsound. Counterfactual. Inaccurate. Defective. Faulty. Wrong. If you think

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Chris Dunford
I sent it to the shop. They were going to start from zero with Windows Vista. Then they called me to say that I should not do this becuase of many drivers. They thought I should do it with the XP Professional. Marcio, I said this the first time, and I'll say it again: You need to find a

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Not only that depending on what you get you can choose XP or Vista. Stewart At 05:37 AM 9/1/2009, you wrote: I sent it to the shop. They were going to start from zero with Windows Vista. Then they called me to say that I should not do this becuase of many drivers. They thought I should do

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Chris Dunford
From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Rev. Stewart Marshall Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:28 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Not only that depending on what you get you can choose

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Depends on what he is comfortable with. I admit I have been using Vista the last month and it is not at all as bad as I thought. It has a few quirks but I have not found a program yet that does not work with it. HOWEVER: If Marcio buys a refurbed computer there is no free upgrade I bought

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Marcio
... By the beginning of October I will give you all a follow up... Many thanks Marcio -Original Message- From: Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 1, 2009 7:37 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... I sent it to the shop. They were going to start

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread db
... By the beginning of October I will give you all a follow up... Many thanks Marcio -Original Message- From: Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 1, 2009 7:37 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... I sent it to the shop. They were going

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 1, 2009, at 2:51 PM Sep 1, db wrote: We all ... most of us anyway ... just wish you would do the easy and more inexpensive thing by leaving that boat anchor on the bottom where it now rests and belongs for all eternity and just get a computer off the shelf that is current and works.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:06 AM Sep 1, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Depends on what he is comfortable with. I just wiped a drive this a.m. and reinstalled M$'s latest good OS: Win XP. Why provide Apple with more fodder for its commercials? M$ is making its usual promises for the next OS, but

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread db
Well actually I might have been. Are you allowed to take Dells out of the States? db TPiwowar wrote: On Sep 1, 2009, at 2:51 PM Sep 1, db wrote: We all ... most of us anyway ... just wish you would do the easy and more inexpensive thing by leaving that boat anchor on the bottom where it

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Yes and no. It depends on what is in them plus you void the warranty. I know Dell has a Canadian outlet (my in laws.) So I assume that they also have one in South America, Brazil. Stewart At 03:16 PM 9/1/2009, you wrote: Well actually I might have been. Are you allowed to take Dells out

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread mike
It could be a field goal but with your glasses you won't see anything anyway. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:01 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:06 AM Sep 1, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Depends on what he is comfortable with. I just wiped a drive this a.m. and reinstalled

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Marcio
I don´t have a Dell Rev. I have a generic computer. Marcio -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net Sent: Sep 1, 2009 4:46 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Yes and no. It depends on what is in them plus you

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Marcio
What do you mean by Dells? Marcio -Original Message- From: db db...@att.net Sent: Sep 1, 2009 4:16 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Well actually I might have been. Are you allowed to take Dells out of the States? db TPiwowar wrote

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Marcio
I know, I am trying to work on my masoquist traits... with my analyst: myself. Marcio -Original Message- From: db db...@att.net Sent: Sep 1, 2009 2:51 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Marcio, You are you own worst enemy! ... but as you

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
do you mean by Dells? Marcio -Original Message- From: db db...@att.net Sent: Sep 1, 2009 4:16 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Well actually I might have been. Are you allowed to take Dells out of the States? db TPiwowar wrote: On Sep 1

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Marcio, You are you own worst enemy! ... but as you say you love it. We all ... most of us anyway ... just wish you would do the easy and more inexpensive thing by leaving that boat anchor on the bottom where it now rests

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com: What do you mean by Dells? Dell computers. www.dell.com They build computers. It would be like getting an HP or a Gateway or--gods forbid--a Mac. They build a fairly quality machine.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Chris Dunford
Marcio you know what they say about a doctor who tries to cure himself Stewart Rev, it's back to Aphorisms 101 for you. Aren't you thinking of lawyers? A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client. But for doctors: Physician, heal thyself. I'm not convinced that's sound

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I know I was rejiggering it. Stewart At 07:52 PM 9/1/2009, you wrote: Marcio you know what they say about a doctor who tries to cure himself Stewart Rev, it's back to Aphorisms 101 for you. Aren't you thinking of lawyers? A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client. But

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Actually Dells rank a little higher on the quality scale than HP's and I think even Gateways now. Stewart At 07:54 PM 9/1/2009, you wrote: Quoting Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com: What do you mean by Dells? Dell computers. www.dell.com They build computers. It would be like getting an HP or a

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Marcio
-Original Message- From: Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 1, 2009 9:52 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Marcio you know what they say about a doctor who tries to cure himself Stewart Rev, it's back to Aphorisms 101 for you

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Marcio
Dell? No, I am always doing generic computers... I buy the parts... This is no good? Marcio -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net Sent: Sep 1, 2009 9:59 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Actually Dells

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I understand the feeling I still build my own. But sometimes you have to dump a problem (your local shop) and go with someone who has a pretty good proven track record. Plus with the right warranty they will be there and fix it under your supervision. Stewart At 08:42 PM 9/1/2009, you

[CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-08-31 Thread Marcio
I don´t know if you remember me... I discussed my Pentium 4 WindowsXP computer that was giving me all kinds of problems. Slow. Suddenly going off... and many more. I thought about re-installing XP on the topo of it, then I thought about installing Vista on the top. Finally it went totally off

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-08-31 Thread katan
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:23:54 -0300, Marcio wrote: They proposed building a totally new computer with the newest Intel chip (Li?)... very expensive. I don´t need this. I think I am going to shop for a Pentium 4 and see... Thoughts? Dell. -- R:\katan

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-08-31 Thread db
Do you have access to a computer from an official Dell outlet or such where you are? Here, you can get good machines from a local builder but very often not ... usually computers with 2nd drawer parts and usually for the same 1st drawer quality they will be more expensive than a mass

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