Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...
At 10:08 PM 7/30/2008, Eric S. Sande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Those pathetic, ignorant, repressed souls can buy filters for their own computers, and can also take the time to study the Constitution. "Unconstitutional and unwise" only scratches at the surface of their problems! Well, I agree with you in theory. As an employee of a common carrier and a Libertarian I'd say consenting adults can do whatever they please as long as it doesn't break the law. But the problem is how broadly the law is written, or interpreted. Fo' zample, there used to be laws that prevented married couples from engaging in anal sex and contraception (not at the same time, you perverts!) even in the privacy of the marriage bed. It took cases like Griswold vs. Connecticut (1962, IIRC) to invalidate them. The proponents of the Internet controls discussed in this thread are engaging, or attempting to engage, in something that is actually a form of theocracy. That is, the basis of their objections are, for the most part, religious in nature, even though they are most often (in my experience, anyway) couched in the ostensibly secular terms "morals" and "morality." Perhaps you have seen these, or similar, sentiments expressed under the rubric of "family values," where "family values" is merely an intentionally misleading and manipulative form of code for "politically conservative Christianity." But the bottom line is that those proponents want to use the power of the state to require everyone to practice THEIR religious beliefs. I, quite obviously, cannot speak for any of you other listmembers, but my guess is, based on your comments, that this is what is chapping most of your respective asses. On the other hand, no matter what you do or how you operate you are bound to piss someone off. Which problem the proponents are attempting to address by getting the state to require you to behave only in ways of which they approve. Your privacy, and a respect for the integrity and importance of your person simply isn't relevant, because, after all, you are only being required to do what is "right," and what is "good for you," even if you don't see, understand, or appreciate it. After all, if you don't agree with them, that automatically means, to them, that they know better. They seem to have some trouble with the idea that, in the United States, you ought to have some freedom to think, say, and do things that chap somebody else's ass. Thank you, Jesus. Bob There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't. OK End * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...
Those pathetic, ignorant, repressed souls can buy filters for their own computers, and can also take the time to study the Constitution. "Unconstitutional and unwise" only scratches at the surface of their problems! Well, I agree with you in theory. As an employee of a common carrier and a Libertarian I'd say consenting adults can do whatever they please as long as it doesn't break the law. On the other hand, no matter what you do or how you operate you are bound to piss someone off. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora in Vista
> I have my Eudora, with all data and setting > files in the Eudora directory, on a portable hard drive that I can plug > into any machine (in principle) and run my full mail client with all of > its features, address books, filters, and archives, etc. from any > machine that isn't locked down Sorry, I guess I'm not following. If you can run it from a portable drive, then presumably the Eudora folder is on that drive and not in Program Files, in which case there's no problem. What am I missing? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...
> 22 public interest groups roast FCC smutless broadband plan > By Matthew Lasar | Published: July 29, 2008 - 08:55AM CT > > They may not agree on net neutrality or the Fairness Doctrine, but almost half a dozen advocacy groups from liberal to libertarian do concur on one issue: they hate Federal Communications Commission Chair Kevin Martin's proposal for a national broadband service with the porn filtered out. > "Unconstitutional and unwise," their Friday filing calls the plan, which they charge amounts to a "government mandated 'blacklist' of websites." The filtering component would limit the system "so dramatically that the usefulness of the service would be radically reduced." Plus, if the agency actually approved the scheme, it would face a tsunami of lawsuits. > > Read on: http://tinyurl.com/6phwoz What's smut? What's porn? To some of those nuts, the paintings in the Louvre, or Museum of Modern art are porn. So is this, http://www.woot.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?PostID=2468733 [after the woot-off], or http://naturist-holidays-uncovered.co.uk/naturist.htm. Don't forget John Ashcroft hiding Lady Liberty's boobs, like the boob that he is. Also some "porn filters" doesn't allow access to medical information about breast cancer. First it's "porn" next it's politics, religion, important news, and who knows what else? The local Marantha church radio here broadcasts the most hateful programs I've heard in a long time. Their athletes wear head to toe sweats for games; cheerleaders wear sweaters and floor-length skirts, yet the sermons in their tent meetings [you can hear them in the neighborhood] are all about hate, sin, hell, damnation, bigotry, racism, censorship, xenophobia. Will people like this dictate the filters? Will the hideous people in Texas who tell textbook publishers what kind of censored books our children should read in school dictate the filters? Those pathetic, ignorant, repressed souls can buy filters for their own computers, and can also take the time to study the Constitution. "Unconstitutional and unwise" only scratches at the surface of their problems! Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora in Vista
Something that is completely locked down is of course "secure" but of reduced/little usability. I have my Eudora, with all data and setting files in the Eudora directory, on a portable hard drive that I can plug into any machine (in principle) and run my full mail client with all of its features, address books, filters, and archives, etc. from any machine that isn't locked down. Thus, in my circumstance, having a desktop machine at every location that I'm likely to want to use e-mail, I can haul around a simple USB hard drive and no more. It works just fine on my Win2K and WinXP machines. I think I'm going to find myself out of luck on a Vista machine. Sort of like having a gun in one's home for self defense, but the gun has to be disassembled, with a trigger guard lock locked in place, and in a locked cabinet, with no ammunition stored within reach (or whatever the new DC rules are). Fred Holmes At 05:44 PM 7/30/2008, Chris Dunford wrote: >> Vista "security" is rumored to not allow any writes at all to the >> "Program Files" folder > >Just curious, why the quotes? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora in Vista
At 07:43 PM 7/30/2008, mike wrote: >How would you install any programs if you can't write to that folder? > >Mike You run the installation logged on as administrator. But for simple productivity computing, you never run as administrator. All programs write settings to the registry and write data to a data directory. MS has now gotten to the point where no program can simply be copied from one machine to another (or carried on a portable hard drive) that uses Vista run according to the nominal security rules. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora in Vista
> How would you install any programs if you can't write to that folder? Installation is different. You can install programs into Program Files, but the programs aren't allowed to write their own data there after installation. I had also forgotten something else in my earlier reply, which is why legacy programs that try to write to Program Files should still work. The data they try to write there gets put into a virtual store, which is actually a real folder in the user's space. For example, IrfanView does this, and its data ends up (on my system) in Users\Chris\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\IrfanView. When IrfanView tries to read/write in Program Files, Vista will quietly use the virtual store instead. A lot of people forget (or don't know) that Program Files was not writable under XP either--if you ran as a standard user. But since nobody did, it wasn't an issue. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora in Vista
How would you install any programs if you can't write to that folder? Mike On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Chris Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > Vista "security" is rumored to not allow any writes at all to the > > "Program Files" folder > > Just curious, why the quotes? > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora in Vista
> Vista "security" is rumored to not allow any writes at all to the > "Program Files" folder Just curious, why the quotes? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora in Vista
If you installed Eudroa using custom, you could create your own data (attach) folder where you wanted. Otherwise it defaulted to the appdata folder under c:\documents and settings. That was under XP. I have always kept my Eudora as a separate folder as its own root not in program files. If however you are using the newer Eudora (thunderbird collaboration) they default to appdata just like Outlook does. Stewart At 02:51 PM 7/30/2008, you wrote: > i do not seem to have an "attachments" folder in vista. xp had > programs>qualcom>eudora>attachments. is there one? i searched the c > drive and cannot find a folder with that name. I don't know about your other question, but Vista in general does not want data to be stored under the Program Files folder (which is very sensible, by the way). If Eudora has been updated correctly for Vista, it will put them somewhere else. The most likely candidate is somewhere in your user folder, like AppData. You may also have a folder named ProgramData that you could look at. Is there no info in the help or on their web site? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora in Vista
Vista "security" is rumored to not allow any writes at all to the "Program Files" folder. One solution might be to reinstall Eudora to some other folder, even d:\EUDORA\, for which you have write privileges. I think Vista would consider Eudora to be a "rogue" program. My Eudora V6 puts embedded pictures (.jpg files, generally) in an "\Embedded\" folder, not in the "\Attach\" folder. It's in the Eudora folder as well. I just run Eudora from a portable hard drive and it doesn't require any registry entries to run, at least in Win2K. Fred Holmes At 03:25 PM 7/30/2008, gerald wrote: >i am running my new econoAcer with Vista. > >How long does it take before the typical 70yo stops hating Vista? > >The pictures imbedded in Eudora (terminal version) messages do not appear. is >there a toggle somewhere for this? > >i do not seem to have an "attachments" folder in vista. xp had >programs>qualcom>eudora>attachments. is there one? i searched the c drive >and cannot find a folder with that name. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora in Vista
> i do not seem to have an "attachments" folder in vista. xp had > programs>qualcom>eudora>attachments. is there one? i searched the c > drive and cannot find a folder with that name. I don't know about your other question, but Vista in general does not want data to be stored under the Program Files folder (which is very sensible, by the way). If Eudora has been updated correctly for Vista, it will put them somewhere else. The most likely candidate is somewhere in your user folder, like AppData. You may also have a folder named ProgramData that you could look at. Is there no info in the help or on their web site? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora in Vista
At 03:25 PM 07/30/2008 -0400, gerald wrote i do not seem to have an "attachments" folder in vista. xp had programs>qualcom>eudora>attachments. is there one? i searched the c drive and cannot find a folder with that name. The name of the folder is "attach"--not "attachments". Try that. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Eudora in Vista
i am running my new econoAcer with Vista. How long does it take before the typical 70yo stops hating Vista? The pictures imbedded in Eudora (terminal version) messages do not appear. is there a toggle somewhere for this? i do not seem to have an "attachments" folder in vista. xp had programs>qualcom>eudora>attachments. is there one? i searched the c drive and cannot find a folder with that name. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Unusual sound on speakers
Seriously now... I once had a sound card with (what I think was) a bad capacitor... it would randomly discharge making a horrible noise like you mentioned... much louder than the music/program that was playing. It would happen once or twice a day, with no real pattern. Upgrading the sound card solved the problem. I also had a Ford with a tape deck that would make a much louder, horrible b-b-bzzz-bzz-bz-bz sound about once a week, which I was unable to make Ford replace under warranty... they just 'repaired' it and put it back in. - Brian - Original Message - From: "Michael S. Altus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [CGUYS] Unusual sound on speakers When I have my speakers on, I periodically get a sound, "dum-dum-duh-duh-duh-dum-dum-duh-dum". Does anyone know what that is? At first, I thought it is a time signal at the start of an hour, but I hear it at other times. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
