Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Jeff Wright
Tom is saying Jeff pulled a 'Tom'. Bingo. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Active X

2009-01-19 Thread katan
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:07:16 -0500, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: Tony B Wild first guess - you _are_ using IE? ActiveX only works in IE. And there should be a blocking notice you'll have to manually approve. Install IE7 (if applicable) and try again. Tom seemed to indicate lack of Mac support

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Jordan
Honestly Mutt and Jeff! Grow up a little. I'm starting to delete your comments before reading them. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Jeff Wright
Huh, Jeff, WTF? Mark--It's very simple. Tom operates under the RDF'd delusion that Apple is some kind of warm-hearted, sweet-little-aunt-who-bakes-you-pies company that only behaves badly when backed into a corner by the mean men outside the loving confines of Cupertino. I choose the

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread John DeCarlo
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: Tom is saying Jeff pulled a 'Tom'. Bingo. In fact, Jeff's Tom rating is currently 100 Toms and going up. Tom remains the yardstick at 1 Tom. And, as Jordan noted, the best approach is to delete the posts of everyone

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Active X

2009-01-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
Actually, I think Tom was saying that Garmin forcing you to use Active X is a Bad Thing. And I'd have to ag. . . agre. . . Ohh, I just can't say it. Forcing anyone to use IE is certainly a crime. I went one step further to say that any company who can't figure out how to do a job using open

[CGUYS] yardsticks Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread mike
What you forget is Tom may only measure by the yard, but he has so many yard sticks he throws out that by sheer volume Tom would be deleted on the server and never reach the inbox. At least Jeff will answer direct questions, I'm still waiting for Tom to explain his going after MS for the Toshiba

Re: [CGUYS] 3D headphones

2009-01-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
And you were castigating Microsoft for shipping untested product. You can't have it both ways. You know that an engineering solution can look perfect on paper and can fail in the field. You seriously err... 1) Theirs did not look good on paper either. People who looked at the code described

Re: [CGUYS] 3D headphones

2009-01-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
The whole point of binauraul theory is that you don't necessarily need speakers in the floor to fool the ear into thinking the sound is coming from there. There is just no helping you Tony. To do what you describe requires a minimum of 3 ears. Triauraul, not binauraul. Simple trigonometry.

Re: [CGUYS] 3D headphones

2009-01-19 Thread mike
So the same for Toshiba? Glad we agree. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: And you were castigating Microsoft for shipping untested product. You can't have it both ways. You know that an engineering solution can look perfect on paper and can fail in the field.

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks [Was: Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
Tom operates under the RDF'd delusion that Apple is some kind of warm-hearted, sweet-little-aunt-who-bakes-you-pies company When you can't win with the facts change the subject (bring in Apple when the topic is MS), attack the truthtellers (call them biased, nattering nabobs of negativism,

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Jeff Wright
And, as Jordan noted, the best approach is to delete the posts of everyone who has a rating higher than 10 Toms, unread. Once you get in that range, there is no longer useful content to accompany the ranting. I think John is right. In the interest of lively discussions and the sharing of

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Jeff Wright Huh, Jeff, WTF? Mark--It's very simple. Tom operates under the RDF'd delusion that Apple is some kind of warm-hearted, sweet-little-aunt-who-bakes-you-pies company that only behaves badly when backed into a corner I wonder if the Tom/Jeff pair are different personalities in the

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Active X

2009-01-19 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Tom Piwowar Actually, I think Tom was saying that Garmin forcing you to use Active X is a Bad Thing. And I'd have to ag. . . agre. . . Ohh, I just can't say it. Forcing anyone to use IE is certainly a crime. I went one step further to say that any company who can't figure out how to do a job

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks Re:Tandoori Chicken

2009-01-19 Thread Jordan
Tandoori Chicken (19+ / 0-) 1 Chicken, approximately 2 pounds (without skin), cut in serving sizes. Ingredients for marinade: 3 tbsp yogurt + 1 tbsp vinegar 1 tsp garam masala 1 cup portland cement 1/2 tsp corriander powder 1/2 tsp cumin powder 1/2 tsp ginger powder 1/2 tsp garlic powder Salt

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Jordan
Generally, Tom talks about issues, jeff and the boys talk about Tom. Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: I wonder if the Tom/Jeff pair are different personalities in the same body? They both denigrate the other and proclaim their's is the correct side. Both companies are using methods to make their

[CGUYS] Moose Jerky

2009-01-19 Thread Jordan
Moose Jerky 3-5 pounds lean moose, Sara Palin, or caribou meet. 2/3 cup worcestershire sauce 2/3 cup soy sauce 1 Tbsp. salt 1 tsp. pepper 1 tsp. garlic powder (not salt) 1 tsp. onion powder (not salt) 1 Tbsp. liquid smoke (unless using smoker) Cut meat into

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks Re:Tandoori Chicken

2009-01-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
Tandoori Chicken (19+ / 0-) I was eating Jerk Chicken for lunch! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Active X

2009-01-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
Can IWork or iLife be installed as a limited user? Yes, I installed the Garmin program as admin and then switched to the limited user to do the actual registration. No application can be installed by a non-admin user. That is as it should be. So is the latest version of the story that you were

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks Re:Tandoori Chicken

2009-01-19 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Jordan Tandoori Chicken (19+ / 0-) 1 Chicken, approximately 2 pounds (without skin), cut in serving sizes. Ingredients for marinade: 3 tbsp yogurt + 1 tbsp vinegar 1 tsp garam masala --- oh good, alcohol should help of course, it must be sampled to ensure quality 1 cup portland cement

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks Re:Tandoori Chicken

2009-01-19 Thread John Emmerling
Is this a fairly straightforward recipe to double? On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Tandoori Chicken (19+ / 0-) 1 Chicken, approximately 2 pounds (without skin), cut in serving sizes. Ingredients for marinade: 3 tbsp yogurt + 1 tbsp vinegar 1 tsp garam

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks [Was: Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread mike
In that first paragraph it sounds more like you are talking about yourself, you can take a subject just about anywhere to keep away from facts. Toshiba built and sold a player called the gigabeat. This player froze up on jan 1 just like the zune...because the zune is a gigabeat. You went after

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Chris Dunford
Generally, Tom talks about issues, jeff and the boys talk about Tom. This really isn't true. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at

[CGUYS] Fawning for Dollars

2009-01-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/01/belkin_cops_to.ht ml If you read user reviews of a particular Belkin router at Amazon.com recently, chances are it could have been a fake review that was written for money. ... *** Part of the deal was an additional obligation to

Re: [CGUYS] Fawning for Dollars

2009-01-19 Thread Tony B
I suppose this isn't really new, but 65 cents a review is. I mean, are there even third world spammers that would work for 65 American cents per review??? On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/01/belkin_cops_to.ht

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks [Was: Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread mike
I never talked about MS doing this to get new zune sales. You still haven't answered the question. I addressed the facts that MS put out a toshiba player branded the zune and MS should have done some research on the thing to get rid of bugs, and I said they should take full credit for the device

Re: [CGUYS] Fawning for Dollars

2009-01-19 Thread mike
Better then Zimbabwe cents... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose this isn't really new, but 65 cents a review is. I mean, are there even third world spammers that would work for 65 American cents per review??? On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Tom

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Active X

2009-01-19 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Tom Piwowar Can IWork or iLife be installed as a limited user? Yes, I installed the Garmin program as admin and then switched to the limited user to do the actual registration. No application can be installed by a non-admin user. That is as it should be. Some programs can be installed and

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Active X

2009-01-19 Thread katan
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:49:53 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote: So is the latest version of the story that you were correctly blocked from installing software and that lead to your not being able to register? After you installed the software with proper admin rights you were able to register from a

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Active X

2009-01-19 Thread Jeff Wright
Forcing anyone to use IE is certainly a crime. I went one step further to say that any company who can't figure out how to do a job using open standards is advertising that they have very poor engineering skills. Hence I would expect to be otherwise not too hot. It's OK, katan, I can say it.

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks [Was: Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
You still haven't answered the question. It has been answered fully. The problem is that you will admit only one answer and ignore everything else. That's solely your problem. * ** List info, subscription management, list

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Jeff Wright
I wonder if the Tom/Jeff pair are different personalities in the same body? Now, that's just mean. They both denigrate the other and proclaim their's is the correct side. Both companies are using methods to make their company grow. It's not like Microsoft isn't above arm-twisting and

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks [Was: Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread mike
um..no, you haven't. Toshiba put out the same player, their customers were also locked out using the gigabeat, why didn't you go after Toshiba as you did MS? On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: You still haven't answered the question. It has been answered

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks [Was: Mac Mail]

2009-01-19 Thread Jeff Wright
You, sir, have an extraordinarily limited perspective, if that's all you can divine. Generally, Tom talks about issues, jeff and the boys talk about Tom. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks [Was: Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread katan
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:25:51 -0700, mike wrote: um..no, you haven't. Toshiba put out the same player, their customers were also locked out using the gigabeat, why didn't you go after Toshiba as you did MS? Yeah. C'mon Tom. Say it. Toshiba's Gigabeat is a shitty player. It's not that hard. It's

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Active X

2009-01-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
Some programs can be installed and used as a non-admin, x-plane for example. It isn't a general purpose application like word processing, etc. To run, it has to open files for read/write from where it was installed. They tell you to not install it into the Applications folder. Doing that would

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks [Was: Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Jeff Wright
Anybody want to discuss the downandup worm? Nine-million served. Another MS non-success story. Their inability, after years of promising, to produce a secure operating system is a significant failure. No I don't want to see more lame excuses. Sure, I'll bite. It looks like that MS did make

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks [Was: Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
Yeah. C'mon Tom. Say it. Toshiba's Gigabeat is a shitty player. It's Of course, Toshiba's Gigabeat is a shitty player. But, based on pervious posts you can look up in the archive, that is not what he is looking for. He wants that to justify MS having a shitty player. He'll bemoan that nobody

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks [Was: Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
I'll eat my zune if he says it...oh wait I don't have a zune... You can eat your Gigabeta. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at

[CGUYS] Wormz [Was: yardsticks]

2009-01-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
And it's downadup not downandup. Sheesh. Google News gives me one hit for downadup (in Turkish) and 249 hits on downandup (mostly in English). But you have far more experience with malware than I so Turkish it is. You tell those other pubs to straighten up. Infection estimates now at

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks [Was: Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
I think you are the only one getting crazier and crazier. Moohahahaha! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **

Re: [CGUYS] suggestion

2009-01-19 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Andy I agree and think it is high time. Let's discuss something current. The 1st of January was two weeks ago. Stewart At 02:48 PM 1/19/2009, you wrote: Folks, reading some of these messages is getting, well, depressing. May I offer a suggestion? If there's something that really needs to

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks [Was: Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Chris Dunford
I never talked about MS doing this to get new zune sales. Oops. Here is your post of 12/31: --- Some call it Z2K9 others Zune Hara-kiri. I like Zunepocalypse. Time is up for the 30GB Zune models and they are all performing synchronized suicide. You can just

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks [Was: Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Chris Dunford
-Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:COMPUTERGUYS- l...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:19 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks [Was: Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward Again you are being

Re: [CGUYS] suggestion

2009-01-19 Thread John Emmerling
Well, tomorrow (Tuesday) at 12:00 would be more symbolic. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Andy I agree and think it is high time. Let's discuss something current. The 1st of January was two weeks ago. Stewart At 02:48 PM 1/19/2009,

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks [Was: Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread mike
I can honestly say I've only seen one pic of a gigabeat, if you think the zune was a snooze then the gigabeat is comatose. Ipodz all the way, long live Apple's monopoly on well made mp3 players. I just got a brand new ipod nano about a week ago, my fifth ipod overall. I like it quite a lot

Re: [CGUYS] Wormz [Was: yardsticks]

2009-01-19 Thread Jeff Wright
-Original Message- Google News gives me one hit for downadup (in Turkish) and 249 hits on downandup (mostly in English). But you have far more experience with malware than I so Turkish it is. You tell those other pubs to straighten up. Here's what I got: Results 1 - 10 of about

[CGUYS] Disk Utility

2009-01-19 Thread Jeff Miles
I'm running Disk Utility on my mom's iMac G5, an old one, not Intel based. Anyway, after repairing permissions I get an error when I try and verify her hard drive. It gives me the message Invalid Sibling Link. Does anyone have any idea what this is and why the verify keeps failing? Jeff

Re: [CGUYS] yardsticks [Was: Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward

2009-01-19 Thread Chris Dunford
(Oops, clicked Send on the unedited version...sorry about that) He'll then climb on you back and list a feature for feature comparison to the (close to obsolete) iPod Classic player. He will insist you admit that the two are identical. It gets crazier from there, but I will spare you the

Re: [CGUYS] Wormz [Was: yardsticks]

2009-01-19 Thread mike
There is a group actually watching the botnet and the irc server it's been connecting to, they estimate 500k in unique IP's. Now this isn't the total, some of those IP's are behind routers at businesses who might have 100 machines. They still have no idea what this thing is planning on

Re: [CGUYS] suggestion

2009-01-19 Thread Sue Cubic
At 03:48 PM 01/19/2009 -0500, Andy Gallant wrote Folks, reading some of these messages is getting, well, depressing. May I offer a suggestion? If there's something that really needs to be said, how about saying it before, say, midnight tonight (EST), and then leave it all behind? Let's make

Re: [CGUYS] suggestion

2009-01-19 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I think that would be pushing it in this case. :-) Stewart At 05:19 PM 1/19/2009, you wrote: The other option was to make them kiss and make up. Most chose to go to their room instead. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org

Re: [CGUYS] suggestion

2009-01-19 Thread Richard P.
I couldn't agree more. It has gotten so that when I see the subject header and who has responded that I find myself automatically deleting the message without reading it, rather than subject myself to yet another embarrassing rebuttal. In the old days, one was asked to take their issues outside.

Re: [CGUYS] 3D headphones

2009-01-19 Thread Eric S. Sande
Is you next step to lecture us about the reality of UFOs? No, of course not. Maybe MS would be more successful with new products if they sacrificed a chicken or two? I frankly don't give a rat's rear end what Microsoft does. But it's clear that you do. Should MS replace Balmer with a

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Active X

2009-01-19 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Tom Piwowar Some programs can be installed and used as a non-admin, x-plane for example. It isn't a general purpose application like word processing, etc. To run, it has to open files for read/write from where it was installed. They tell you to not install it into the Applications folder.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Active X

2009-01-19 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
katan Really? Install our program or run Active X to register the product? That doesn't sound like the greatest customer service. I guess there's always ye olde tried-and-true mail-in card? I didn't see one. I'm guessing they get a lot of configuration information from the Active-X