Re: [CGUYS] Slow-motion video
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Still, no question reviewing sporting events would be a valid use for special effects like forward and reverse slo-mo. What is a valid use versus an invalid use? I will often want to slow down the playback of a video in order to better be able to see what is happening. Does my doing so require some form of validation? If I choose to view a video at a slower playback frame rate than is considered normal, why would that need to go through some vetting process? I don't get it. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] urgent query
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:53 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: She said that the MacBook Air was too expensive because it cost at least $1800. I'm pointing out that she can get one for half that at the online Apple Store. She didn't say exactly what her budget was. Maybe, like Lauren, it's $1000. I think that one of the flaws exposed in those new MS ads is that these laptop hunters are obviously not doing their homework in advance of going out to make their purchases. It seems pretty clear to me that the laptop hunters have walked into the Best Buy store having no idea at all about what computer they want to buy other than to have established a price that they are willing to pay. Anyone who goes to a Best Buy or to any other big box store, and is not already armed with a fair degree of knowledge about what it is that they are seeking to purchase, is in big trouble. They are not educated consumers. They are prey for salesperson's who will try to get them to buy whatever will generate the highest commission for themselves and best suit what the store wants to currently promote. The laptop hunters all seem to be computer neophytes, and perhaps have previously never owned a computer. The ads are certainly not intended to teach one how to go about making an informed purchase, but rather to simply go out and buy a PC. Folks who see these ads should be able to learn a valuable lesson about how to NOT go about making a computer purchase regardless of what brand they may eventually buy. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wither the newsmag?
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Stephen Brownfield steveei...@verizon.net wrote: I personally believe that person should know the basics of at least two OS. Much of it carries over from one to the other. Ah, but this is the United States of America. We are steeped in our OWN culture, and avoid the contamination of others such as the French or of... Macintosh, which sounds kinda Scottish or something else that conjures images of Old Europe. We don't learn to speak foreign languages, we don't learn much about the rest of the world, and we don't want to learn about different computer operating systems either. It has long been held that the business of government (our government) is business. Business uses Windows, and thus we must teach the masses Windows. I think this is called cloning at the non-molecular level. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Zune HD
MS has announced Zune HD for fall release. Multitouch OLED 3.3 16:9 screen, HD radio, full WiFi w/ multitouch-enabled browser, virtual keyboard. Plays HD video downscaled to its own screen or at 720p on HDTV via an AV dock and an onboard HDMI port. Xbox Live and Zune Marketplace to be integrated, so Xbox will have access to Zune stuff and vice versa. Not brown. http://www.zune.net/en-us/mp3players/zunehd http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/26/zune-hd-is-official-heading-your-way-this -fall * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this peaked my interest
Thanks, I will correct the subject line on future postings. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 06:15:05PM -0400, Tony B wrote: Piqued. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=piqued On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Brian Jones wjone...@carolina.rr.com wrote: Interesting... a computer with no PCI expansion slots, and one drive bay. It's like having a laptop in a desktop box! - Brian - Original Message - From: Paul Cannon pecan...@bellatlantic.net http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167037 MSI Wind Nettop 100 Intel 945GC 1 x 200Pin Intel GMA 950 Black Mini / Booksize Barebone System * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Windows Vista SP2 is out
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Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
The least expensive new Mac Mini I saw was 599$ on apple's site. That is an extra 300$ not 100 or 150. I could purchase an additional machine for that price. I won't argue that OS X is better than Fedora. I would like to try out OS X. I only plan on using it for Firefox, email, media stuff (vlc for watching occasional dvd's). There are several yum repositories of software so I am not sure what application software you are talking about. As for tech support, I will probably look at log files or just turn to google for a solution. I did not find the review where it arrived in various broken parts. I did see the review where even though the atom 270s support cpu scaling in linux it seems the 330 doesn't have support for it I've tried a few different distros and am currently run debian lenny. None of them seem to be support cpu scaling for this processor. This concerns me - he noted it still works but will have to wait for better linux support. From the specs I saw on Apple's site, the Mac Mini has a better cpu and video capabilities, but would only come with a 1G of memory and only 120Gb of storage compared to 1 terabyte. There were options to increase the cpu/ram/drive - of course that would increase the price. The largest drive from Apple was listed as 320GB and was an additional 175$. A Mac mini with upgrades (cpu/ram/hard drive) was over a 1000$. I could get 3 machines for that - stop tempting me. So probably if I wanted to get more memory and larger drives it is better to shop elsewhere for Mac accessories. The Applecare protection plan is 149$ and all the software I saw (filemaker, logic express, aperture, final cut, Iwork) had a price tag. Is this for pre-installation only or does Apple supply the media and let users install it for free? If I were to get a Mac, I would probably get a iMac and dream about a Mac Pro. Those cinema displays are also very beautiful. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 07:31:43PM -0400, t.piwowar wrote: Or for $100 to $150 more I can get a Mac Mini which also comes with a better OS. application software, and strong tech support. I would get the Nettop for entertainment/tinkering, but not if I wanted a useful computer. Note the buyers comments that speak positively about the box, but then mention that it arrived with various broken parts. On May 26, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Paul Cannon wrote: so for 149$ plus 90$ for 1 terabyte hard drive plus another 25$ for 2G ram plus another 25$ for a DVD burner so for around 300$ can get a dual core Linux system to tinker with. I already have a monitor and keyboard/mouse so I won't have to buy those. Granted, I won't be doing any graphic editing or heavy graphical game playing on it. Otherwise, I think I might order this setup and try Fedora 11 on it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
Paul where did you see the price you did on the Netbook. Also which model. Stewart At 07:02 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote: The least expensive new Mac Mini I saw was 599$ on apple's site. That is an extra 300$ not 100 or 150. I could purchase an additional machine for that price. I won't argue that OS X is better than Fedora. I would like to try out OS X. I only plan on using it for Firefox, email, media stuff (vlc for watching occasional dvd's). There are several yum repositories of software so I am not sure what application software you are talking about. As for tech support, I will probably look at log files or just turn to google for a solution. I did not find the review where it arrived in various broken parts. I did see the review where even though the atom 270s support cpu scaling in linux it seems the 330 doesn't have support for it I've tried a few different distros and am currently run debian lenny. None of them seem to be support cpu scaling for this processor. This concerns me - he noted it still works but will have to wait for better linux support. From the specs I saw on Apple's site, the Mac Mini has a better cpu and video capabilities, but would only come with a 1G of memory and only 120Gb of storage compared to 1 terabyte. There were options to increase the cpu/ram/drive - of course that would increase the price. The largest drive from Apple was listed as 320GB and was an additional 175$. A Mac mini with upgrades (cpu/ram/hard drive) was over a 1000$. I could get 3 machines for that - stop tempting me. So probably if I wanted to get more memory and larger drives it is better to shop elsewhere for Mac accessories. The Applecare protection plan is 149$ and all the software I saw (filemaker, logic express, aperture, final cut, Iwork) had a price tag. Is this for pre-installation only or does Apple supply the media and let users install it for free? If I were to get a Mac, I would probably get a iMac and dream about a Mac Pro. Those cinema displays are also very beautiful. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
You'll never be a good MFB if you start worrying about cost. Being a good MFB is like joining scientology, you never worry about the high price of being pure. As expressed in another thread, the very idea of going into a computer store with a budget is not towing the line for Steve Jobs. Think Steve, Think Different...Think Pure. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Paul Cannon pecan...@bellatlantic.netwrote: The least expensive new Mac Mini I saw was 599$ on apple's site. That is an extra 300$ not 100 or 150. I could purchase an additional machine for that price. I won't argue that OS X is better than Fedora. I would like to try out OS X. I only plan on using it for Firefox, email, media stuff (vlc for watching occasional dvd's). There are several yum repositories of software so I am not sure what application software you are talking about. As for tech support, I will probably look at log files or just turn to google for a solution. I did not find the review where it arrived in various broken parts. I did see the review where even though the atom 270s support cpu scaling in linux it seems the 330 doesn't have support for it I've tried a few different distros and am currently run debian lenny. None of them seem to be support cpu scaling for this processor. This concerns me - he noted it still works but will have to wait for better linux support. From the specs I saw on Apple's site, the Mac Mini has a better cpu and video capabilities, but would only come with a 1G of memory and only 120Gb of storage compared to 1 terabyte. There were options to increase the cpu/ram/drive - of course that would increase the price. The largest drive from Apple was listed as 320GB and was an additional 175$. A Mac mini with upgrades (cpu/ram/hard drive) was over a 1000$. I could get 3 machines for that - stop tempting me. So probably if I wanted to get more memory and larger drives it is better to shop elsewhere for Mac accessories. The Applecare protection plan is 149$ and all the software I saw (filemaker, logic express, aperture, final cut, Iwork) had a price tag. Is this for pre-installation only or does Apple supply the media and let users install it for free? If I were to get a Mac, I would probably get a iMac and dream about a Mac Pro. Those cinema displays are also very beautiful. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 07:31:43PM -0400, t.piwowar wrote: Or for $100 to $150 more I can get a Mac Mini which also comes with a better OS. application software, and strong tech support. I would get the Nettop for entertainment/tinkering, but not if I wanted a useful computer. Note the buyers comments that speak positively about the box, but then mention that it arrived with various broken parts. On May 26, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Paul Cannon wrote: so for 149$ plus 90$ for 1 terabyte hard drive plus another 25$ for 2G ram plus another 25$ for a DVD burner so for around 300$ can get a dual core Linux system to tinker with. I already have a monitor and keyboard/mouse so I won't have to buy those. Granted, I won't be doing any graphic editing or heavy graphical game playing on it. Otherwise, I think I might order this setup and try Fedora 11 on it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
WFBs must join Redmond and never deviate from (nor become unlicen$ed from) the Official Word, always ignoring any inconvenient facts or expertise to restate all dogma from the supreme leader, $teve Ballmer, or in His absence, the Almighty Bill Gate$ while awaiting the Glorious Day when all other operating systems will be $mighted, and the truly licen$ed will live in eternal, $acred Bli$$! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You'll never be a good MFB if you start worrying about cost. Being a good MFB is like joining scientology, you never worry about the high price of being pure. As expressed in another thread, the very idea of going into a computer store with a budget is not towing the line for Steve Jobs. Think Steve, Think Different...Think Pure. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Slow-motion video
You're reading way too much into a quick response. You are correct, there is no 'invalid' use for special effects, that is simply a verbal flourish on my part. Thanks for the clarification. :) On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 4:54 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Still, no question reviewing sporting events would be a valid use for special effects like forward and reverse slo-mo. What is a valid use versus an invalid use? I will often want to slow down the playback of a video in order to better be able to see what is happening. Does my doing so require some form of validation? If I choose to view a video at a slower playback frame rate than is considered normal, why would that need to go through some vetting process? I don't get it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
OK now everyone face to the northwest and kneel in prayer. Amen. Stewart At 09:25 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote: WFBs must join Redmond and never deviate from (nor become unlicen$ed from) the Official Word, always ignoring any inconvenient facts or expertise to restate all dogma from the supreme leader, $teve Ballmer, or in His absence, the Almighty Bill Gate$ while awaiting the Glorious Day when all other operating systems will be $mighted, and the truly licen$ed will live in eternal, $acred Bli$$! Thank you, Mark Snyder Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista SP2 is out
What isn't clear is if I need this if I have auto updates turned on? I'll assume I already have everything in it unless specifically told otherwise. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dd262148.aspx SP1 is required. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wither the newsmag?
t.piwowar wrote: Based on your conduct here I don't think I would accept your word on anything at all. Bingo! These guys are the AIG of the list. Except it's AIB, arrogance, ignorance, belligerence. The AIB group. Tiresome. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista SP2 is out
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dd262148.aspx SP1 is required. I had Mac OS X, 10.5.3 on one of my computers. I downloaded a combo update that contained all of the updates from 10.5.4 to 10.5.7 and installed them in one package. Does Microsoft offer combo updates for Windows? Can I go directly from Vista [Business], no SP, to SP2 with a combo? Or do the service packs have to be installed separately? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
Just to clarify on some of your comments: Don't forget to check the refurbs. http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=MTE3NjY You don't need Applecare, especially if you have some skills. But I think you have a year to decide if you want to get it. Meanwhile, Apple has great support without Applecare. Check the lower left of this page for included software. http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mini?mco=MTI2MDI4MQ Paul Cannon wrote: The least expensive new Mac Mini I saw was 599$ on apple's site. That is an extra 300$ not 100 or 150. I could purchase an additional machine for that price. I won't argue that OS X is better than Fedora. I would like to try out OS X. From the specs I saw on Apple's site, the Mac Mini has a better cpu and video capabilities, but would only come with a 1G of memory and only 120Gb of storage compared to 1 terabyte. There were options to increase the cpu/ram/drive - of course that would increase the price. The largest drive from Apple was listed as 320GB and was an additional 175$. A Mac mini with upgrades (cpu/ram/hard drive) was over a 1000$. I could get 3 machines for that - stop tempting me. So probably if I wanted to get more memory and larger drives it is better to shop elsewhere for Mac accessories. The Applecare protection plan is 149$ and all the software I saw (filemaker, logic express, aperture, final cut, Iwork) had a price tag. Is this for pre-installation only or does Apple supply the media and let users install it for free? If I were to get a Mac, I would probably get a iMac and dream about a Mac Pro. Those cinema displays are also very beautiful. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista SP2 is out
Depends on who you ask. Sometimes the SP's will rule up previous updates in their package. I usually prefer to do them one at a time to make sure it works. But read the package literature first. Stewart At 10:25 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dd262148.aspx SP1 is required. I had Mac OS X, 10.5.3 on one of my computers. I downloaded a combo update that contained all of the updates from 10.5.4 to 10.5.7 and installed them in one package. Does Microsoft offer combo updates for Windows? Can I go directly from Vista [Business], no SP, to SP2 with a combo? Or do the service packs have to be installed separately? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Are you a knowledge worker? Or do you manage one?
Hello all: Having worked for non-profit organizations for more than 15 years, I thought that the idea of being a knowledge worker was actually a new term that evolved with advanced use of personal computers--which seemed to rise exponentially with the birth of Internet. Around the mid-to-late 1990s when people started to talk about the information overload that was packaged in emails and digitally distributed reports, I also started people talk about Knowledge as the proper packaging, distribution, and application of information. It turns out, according to a book I just listened to called, Thinking for a Living: How to Get Better Performances And Results from Knowledge Workers (Hardcover), that the term is much older that I expected (Peter Drucker- circa 1960s). That said, if you consider yourself a knowledge worker, and the book would suggest that many of you are, it's worth perusing. Thanks, Arnold * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wither the newsmag?
Bingo! These guys are the AIG of the list. Except it's AIB, arrogance, ignorance, belligerence. The AIB group. Tiresome. Jordan, it's really too bad that people like you and Tom let a blinding partisan ideology fatally impair your thinking. Try reality. It's refreshing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista SP2 is out
Does Microsoft offer combo updates for Windows? Can I go directly from Vista [Business], no SP, to SP2 with a combo? Or do the service packs have to be installed separately? Typically service packs have been rollups of all previous SPs for that OS and didn't require anything beyond RTM. I don't know why this one is requiring SP1. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
Well, it's not really a netbook. It is categorized on NewEgg as a mini booksize barebones system. I am considering of getting the following: 149$ MSI Wind Nettop 100 Intel 945GC 1 x 200Pin Intel GMA 950 Black Mini / Booksize Barebone System - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167037 21$ ITE-ON Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache IDE 22X DVD±R DVD Burner +- OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106281 90$ Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5 Internal Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136317 25$ Kingston 2GB 200-Pin DDR2 SO-DIMM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Laptop Memory - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134317 So the price is around 285$ + (sales tax and shipping/handling) I already have a monitor/keyboard/mouse. I am fairly certain it can run Fedora or Ubuntu reasonably well for what I want. It should be fairly quiet, according to the overview it uses about 35W at full speed. It has a Intel 1.6GHz Atom 330 (dual core) on board - not the fastest cpu around but should be reasonable. The graphics is definitely underpowered for games and heavy graphics but should suffice for media playback and what I hope is my normal usage. The MSI netbooks seem to range from 310-380$ and include MS XP - I have zero experience with these. I usually just build my own systems. My newest desktop is an HP model which came with Vista SP1; the only complaint that I can recall was the amount of trialware that I had to remove. I have perhaps an irrational fear of laptops (my fear is that I or family member would drop and break it). On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 08:43:13AM -0500, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Paul where did you see the price you did on the Netbook. Also which model. Stewart At 07:02 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote: The least expensive new Mac Mini I saw was 599$ on apple's site. That is an extra 300$ not 100 or 150. I could purchase an additional machine for that price. I won't argue that OS X is better than Fedora. I would like to try out OS X. I only plan on using it for Firefox, email, media stuff (vlc for watching occasional dvd's). There are several yum repositories of software so I am not sure what application software you are talking about. As for tech support, I will probably look at log files or just turn to google for a solution. I did not find the review where it arrived in various broken parts. I did see the review where even though the atom 270s support cpu scaling in linux it seems the 330 doesn't have support for it I've tried a few different distros and am currently run debian lenny. None of them seem to be support cpu scaling for this processor. This concerns me - he noted it still works but will have to wait for better linux support. From the specs I saw on Apple's site, the Mac Mini has a better cpu and video capabilities, but would only come with a 1G of memory and only 120Gb of storage compared to 1 terabyte. There were options to increase the cpu/ram/drive - of course that would increase the price. The largest drive from Apple was listed as 320GB and was an additional 175$. A Mac mini with upgrades (cpu/ram/hard drive) was over a 1000$. I could get 3 machines for that - stop tempting me. So probably if I wanted to get more memory and larger drives it is better to shop elsewhere for Mac accessories. The Applecare protection plan is 149$ and all the software I saw (filemaker, logic express, aperture, final cut, Iwork) had a price tag. Is this for pre-installation only or does Apple supply the media and let users install it for free? If I were to get a Mac, I would probably get a iMac and dream about a Mac Pro. Those cinema displays are also very beautiful. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
OK I thought it was a netbook, but a nettop for a basic workstation is not bad either. Thanks. Stewart At 10:46 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote: Well, it's not really a netbook. It is categorized on NewEgg as a mini booksize barebones system. I am considering of getting the following: 149$ MSI Wind Nettop 100 Intel 945GC 1 x 200Pin Intel GMA 950 Black Mini / Booksize Barebone System - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167037 21$ ITE-ON Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache IDE 22X DVD±R DVD Burner +- OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106281 90$ Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5 Internal Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136317 25$ Kingston 2GB 200-Pin DDR2 SO-DIMM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Laptop Memory - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134317 So the price is around 285$ + (sales tax and shipping/handling) I already have a monitor/keyboard/mouse. I am fairly certain it can run Fedora or Ubuntu reasonably well for what I want. It should be fairly quiet, according to the overview it uses about 35W at full speed. It has a Intel 1.6GHz Atom 330 (dual core) on board - not the fastest cpu around but should be reasonable. The graphics is definitely underpowered for games and heavy graphics but should suffice for media playback and what I hope is my normal usage. The MSI netbooks seem to range from 310-380$ and include MS XP - I have zero experience with these. I usually just build my own systems. My newest desktop is an HP model which came with Vista SP1; the only complaint that I can recall was the amount of trialware that I had to remove. I have perhaps an irrational fear of laptops (my fear is that I or family member would drop and break it). On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 08:43:13AM -0500, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Paul where did you see the price you did on the Netbook. Also which model. Stewart At 07:02 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote: The least expensive new Mac Mini I saw was 599$ on apple's site. That is an extra 300$ not 100 or 150. I could purchase an additional machine for that price. I won't argue that OS X is better than Fedora. I would like to try out OS X. I only plan on using it for Firefox, email, media stuff (vlc for watching occasional dvd's). There are several yum repositories of software so I am not sure what application software you are talking about. As for tech support, I will probably look at log files or just turn to google for a solution. I did not find the review where it arrived in various broken parts. I did see the review where even though the atom 270s support cpu scaling in linux it seems the 330 doesn't have support for it I've tried a few different distros and am currently run debian lenny. None of them seem to be support cpu scaling for this processor. This concerns me - he noted it still works but will have to wait for better linux support. From the specs I saw on Apple's site, the Mac Mini has a better cpu and video capabilities, but would only come with a 1G of memory and only 120Gb of storage compared to 1 terabyte. There were options to increase the cpu/ram/drive - of course that would increase the price. The largest drive from Apple was listed as 320GB and was an additional 175$. A Mac mini with upgrades (cpu/ram/hard drive) was over a 1000$. I could get 3 machines for that - stop tempting me. So probably if I wanted to get more memory and larger drives it is better to shop elsewhere for Mac accessories. The Applecare protection plan is 149$ and all the software I saw (filemaker, logic express, aperture, final cut, Iwork) had a price tag. Is this for pre-installation only or does Apple supply the media and let users install it for free? If I were to get a Mac, I would probably get a iMac and dream about a Mac Pro. Those cinema displays are also very beautiful. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
The Applecare protection plan is 149$ and all the software I saw (filemaker, logic express, aperture, final cut, Iwork) had a price tag. Is this for pre-installation only or does Apple supply the media and let users install it for free? If I were to get a Mac, I would probably get a iMac and dream about a Mac Pro. Those cinema displays are also very beautiful. I wouldn't get AppleCare with any Mac that I can open easily and change parts, i.e. Mini, Mac Pro. I have it for my iMac and MacBook, neither of which are easy to open. MacBook is easy to open only for RAM and hard drive. iMac opens easily only for RAM. You need large suction cups to remove the front before you can get to the drives and mobo. I didn't buy AC for our G4, G5, CRT iMac or any earlier Macs, but AC more than paid for itself with the lemon iBook. FileMaker, Final Cut, etc. are professional programs that home users are not likely to need. iWork preinstalled is $49. NeoOffice and OpenOffice are free. iLife is free with a new Mac. Many Unix apps are free but need X-11 [free] to run. My husband calls my 24 iMac a drive-in theater [remember those?]. The 24 cinema displays alone cost $900. Several other manufacturers use similar LG.Philips display panels for much less. Geeks.com had 20-24 refurbs with LG Philips H-IPS/S-IPS panels recently. Cavan bought a rotating HP display for his Mini for $149. Some have HDMI, USB hub, speakers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista SP2 is out
The SP is the combo. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:25 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dd262148.aspx SP1 is required. I had Mac OS X, 10.5.3 on one of my computers. I downloaded a combo update that contained all of the updates from 10.5.4 to 10.5.7 and installed them in one package. Does Microsoft offer combo updates for Windows? Can I go directly from Vista [Business], no SP, to SP2 with a combo? Or do the service packs have to be installed separately? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
You'll never be a good MFB if you start worrying about cost. Being a good MFB is like joining scientology, you never worry about the high price of being pure. As expressed in another thread, the very idea of going into a computer store with a budget is not towing the line for Steve Jobs. Think Steve, Think Different...Think Pure. Not so. The reality is exactly the opposite. Mac users are extremely aware of cost especially TCO. In January, I replaced my 2000 PowerMac G4 with a new iMac; it had a 1.6GHz processor, 3 internal HD, DVD burner, AGP video card, 3 PCI slots, filled, 2GB RAM. In the same time we replaced 3 PCs because they couldn't be updated any more. I called HP to find out what's the maximum size of HD in an HP notebook [2008] and a Compaq notebook [2007]. HP limit is 250GB, Compaq is 80GB. I can put a 500GB drive in the MacBook, with no limit for external drive except price. Limit for HP external drive [USB only] is 500GB. I'll be recycling the 1.6GHz processor from the G4, installing it into a Quicksilver G4. My PM 7600 still runs and is used for audio editing. The Mac SE still works, but isn't much good for anything, except curiosity. In the long run, Macs are much cheaper than Windows PCs. They're built to last, built to be upgraded over a long time, and the software is written to last longer, too. AppleWorks, discontinued in 2003, still runs fine on my iMac in Leopard. I finally broke down and upgraded Photoshop from v.7 to a newer version, only because it's too old to work in 10.5.6. If you only look at the initial cost, Macs may appear to be more expensive, while in reality, the Macs are much less expensive in the long run for the average user. Those who build their own PC boxes can take advantage of multiple choices, multiple upgrades, but rarely does the general consumer do this. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
I'll have to remember to look at the refurbs if and when I finally decide to try out OS X. OS X, Time Machine and Safari in the included software list interest me the most. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:18:19AM -0400, Jordan wrote: Just to clarify on some of your comments: Don't forget to check the refurbs. http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=MTE3NjY You don't need Applecare, especially if you have some skills. But I think you have a year to decide if you want to get it. Meanwhile, Apple has great support without Applecare. Check the lower left of this page for included software. http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mini?mco=MTI2MDI4MQ Paul Cannon wrote: The least expensive new Mac Mini I saw was 599$ on apple's site. That is an extra 300$ not 100 or 150. I could purchase an additional machine for that price. I won't argue that OS X is better than Fedora. I would like to try out OS X. From the specs I saw on Apple's site, the Mac Mini has a better cpu and video capabilities, but would only come with a 1G of memory and only 120Gb of storage compared to 1 terabyte. There were options to increase the cpu/ram/drive - of course that would increase the price. The largest drive from Apple was listed as 320GB and was an additional 175$. A Mac mini with upgrades (cpu/ram/hard drive) was over a 1000$. I could get 3 machines for that - stop tempting me. So probably if I wanted to get more memory and larger drives it is better to shop elsewhere for Mac accessories. The Applecare protection plan is 149$ and all the software I saw (filemaker, logic express, aperture, final cut, Iwork) had a price tag. Is this for pre-installation only or does Apple supply the media and let users install it for free? If I were to get a Mac, I would probably get a iMac and dream about a Mac Pro. Those cinema displays are also very beautiful. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
OK Betty I keep hearing this and many people think that old PC's just get junked. Not so. The local school has been running Win95 and Win98 PC's for many years. They have not upgraded to Vista and a lot of their computer are probably 6-7 years old. I run old stuff at home. I just took out of service a Duron (AMD) 800 MHZ desktop. Only because I have a surplus of computers. I tend to recycle a lot of computers well beyond normal life cycle by putting in new HD's and stuff. I have a bunch of old Mac stuff that is unusable today. Outdated just like PC stuff. A well maintained PC is usable for a very long time. OS's may upgrade, but not all OS upgrades are needed. I know folks that were still running 98SE a year ago. Even Apple with the advent of OSX could not guarantee compatibly of software. Any major upgrade of OS's will cause compatibility problems. I do know that Vista has gotten over the hump in that respect, and I understand that Win 7 will include a compatibility mode for XP. Stewart At 11:29 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote: Not so. The reality is exactly the opposite. Mac users are extremely aware of cost especially TCO. In January, I replaced my 2000 PowerMac G4 with a new iMac; it had a 1.6GHz processor, 3 internal HD, DVD burner, AGP video card, 3 PCI slots, filled, 2GB RAM. In the same time we replaced 3 PCs because they couldn't be updated any more. I called HP to find out what's the maximum size of HD in an HP notebook [2008] and a Compaq notebook [2007]. HP limit is 250GB, Compaq is 80GB. I can put a 500GB drive in the MacBook, with no limit for external drive except price. Limit for HP external drive [USB only] is 500GB. I'll be recycling the 1.6GHz processor from the G4, installing it into a Quicksilver G4. My PM 7600 still runs and is used for audio editing. The Mac SE still works, but isn't much good for anything, except curiosity. In the long run, Macs are much cheaper than Windows PCs. They're built to last, built to be upgraded over a long time, and the software is written to last longer, too. AppleWorks, discontinued in 2003, still runs fine on my iMac in Leopard. I finally broke down and upgraded Photoshop from v.7 to a newer version, only because it's too old to work in 10.5.6. If you only look at the initial cost, Macs may appear to be more expensive, while in reality, the Macs are much less expensive in the long run for the average user. Those who build their own PC boxes can take advantage of multiple choices, multiple upgrades, but rarely does the general consumer do this. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
Mark--You're getting drawn into the WFB reality distortion. Calm down. Macs are cheaper than PCs [TCO]. Don't be confused by comparisons with cults and scientology when the facts are in your favor. Mac owners are the ones with budgets that are written with long-term planning included. -- da bomb WFBs must join Redmond and never deviate from (nor become unlicen$ed from) the Official Word, always ignoring any inconvenient facts or expertise to restate all dogma from the supreme leader, $teve Ballmer, or in His absence, the Almighty Bill Gate$ while awaiting the Glorious Day when all other operating systems will be $mighted, and the truly licen$ed will live in eternal, $acred Bli$$! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You'll never be a good MFB if you start worrying about cost. Being a good MFB is like joining scientology, you never worry about the high price of being pure. As expressed in another thread, the very idea of going into a computer store with a budget is not towing the line for Steve Jobs. Think Steve, Think Different...Think Pure. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
I was just having fun, responding in-kind to a silly post (keying on the pseudo-religious reference). Was and am calm; still chuckling, too. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Mark--You're getting drawn into the WFB reality distortion. Calm down. Macs are cheaper than PCs [TCO]. Don't be confused by comparisons with cults and scientology when the facts are in your favor. Mac owners are the ones with budgets that are written with long-term planning included. -- da bomb WFBs must join Redmond and never deviate from (nor become unlicen$ed from) the Official Word, always ignoring any inconvenient facts or expertise to restate all dogma from the supreme leader, $teve Ballmer, or in His absence, the Almighty Bill Gate$ while awaiting the Glorious Day when all other operating systems will be $mighted, and the truly licen$ed will live in eternal, $acred Bli$$! Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
I'm aware of TCO...but in this case she was asking for a 350 dollar choice and the only one she got from the mac fan crowd was 1000 to 1800. Truly, there are cases when a mac is NOT the choice, and cases where a mac is the choice. It's just that some here think mac is the only choice no matter what the cost or need. An imac with THREE internal HD's? How does HP limit the size of a USB drive? That makes no sense. What compaq was this that was built in 2007 that has an internal drive limit of 80 gigs? I'd like to know just so I stay away from that one... On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:29 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: You'll never be a good MFB if you start worrying about cost. Being a good MFB is like joining scientology, you never worry about the high price of being pure. As expressed in another thread, the very idea of going into a computer store with a budget is not towing the line for Steve Jobs. Think Steve, Think Different...Think Pure. Not so. The reality is exactly the opposite. Mac users are extremely aware of cost especially TCO. In January, I replaced my 2000 PowerMac G4 with a new iMac; it had a 1.6GHz processor, 3 internal HD, DVD burner, AGP video card, 3 PCI slots, filled, 2GB RAM. In the same time we replaced 3 PCs because they couldn't be updated any more. I called HP to find out what's the maximum size of HD in an HP notebook [2008] and a Compaq notebook [2007]. HP limit is 250GB, Compaq is 80GB. I can put a 500GB drive in the MacBook, with no limit for external drive except price. Limit for HP external drive [USB only] is 500GB. I'll be recycling the 1.6GHz processor from the G4, installing it into a Quicksilver G4. My PM 7600 still runs and is used for audio editing. The Mac SE still works, but isn't much good for anything, except curiosity. In the long run, Macs are much cheaper than Windows PCs. They're built to last, built to be upgraded over a long time, and the software is written to last longer, too. AppleWorks, discontinued in 2003, still runs fine on my iMac in Leopard. I finally broke down and upgraded Photoshop from v.7 to a newer version, only because it's too old to work in 10.5.6. If you only look at the initial cost, Macs may appear to be more expensive, while in reality, the Macs are much less expensive in the long run for the average user. Those who build their own PC boxes can take advantage of multiple choices, multiple upgrades, but rarely does the general consumer do this. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
GreaterGreaterWashington.com sez: Bus stop 2020: A team at MIT has designed a bus stop of the future. Riders can plan a bus trip on an interactive map, surf the Web, monitor their real-time exposure to pollutants and use their mobile devices as an interface with the bus shelter. They can also post ads and community announcements to an electronic bulletin board at the bus stop, enhancing the EyeStop's functionality as a community gathering space. Called the EyeStop... http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/21/mits-futuristic-netw.html http://senseable.mit.edu/eyestop/ Does it also have an espresso machine? Port-o-pot? Teflon-coated glass/plastic shell? Free WiFi? Heated/cooled enclosure: I'd like that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista SP2 is out
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd335038.aspx Are there any prerequisites for SP2? You must have Windows Vista with SP1 or Windows Server 2008 installed on your computer before installing Service Pack 2. (Windows Server 2008 shipped with Service Pack 1 included.) If you choose to install SP2 over Windows Update there will be one pre-required package to install, Servicing Stack Update (KB955430), before Windows Update offers you SP2. The Servicing stack is the component that handles installation and removal of software updates, language packs, and optional windows features. This update is necessary to successfully install and uninstall the service pack; it also improves the performance and reliability of the service pack installation. Is SP2 a mandatory update through Windows Update? No, SP2 is an optional update from Windows Update site. After some time on Windows Update site, SP2 will also be offered via Automatic Updates (AU). Even on AU, SP2 will not install automatically until the End User License Agreement has been accepted. Customers who wish to test SP2 for a longer period and would like to prevent SP2 from installing from AU can download and install the SP2 Blocking Tool at the Microsoft Download Center. The tool will ensure SP2 is not offered from AU for 360days. Organizations do not need to deploy the Blocker Toolkit in environments managed with an update management solution such as Windows Server Update Services (WSUS) or Systems Center. Organizations can use those products to fully manage deployment of updates released through Windows Update and Microsoft Update. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:05 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: The SP is the combo. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:25 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dd262148.aspx SP1 is required. I had Mac OS X, 10.5.3 on one of my computers. I downloaded a combo update that contained all of the updates from 10.5.4 to 10.5.7 and installed them in one package. Does Microsoft offer combo updates for Windows? Can I go directly from Vista [Business], no SP, to SP2 with a combo? Or do the service packs have to be installed separately? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
We are all in the distortion, if you believe you are not, that's where your problems begin. If you can't have fun with that, then what is the point? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: I was just having fun, responding in-kind to a silly post (keying on the pseudo-religious reference). Was and am calm; still chuckling, too. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Mark--You're getting drawn into the WFB reality distortion. Calm down. Macs are cheaper than PCs [TCO]. Don't be confused by comparisons with cults and scientology when the facts are in your favor. Mac owners are the ones with budgets that are written with long-term planning included. -- da bomb WFBs must join Redmond and never deviate from (nor become unlicen$ed from) the Official Word, always ignoring any inconvenient facts or expertise to restate all dogma from the supreme leader, $teve Ballmer, or in His absence, the Almighty Bill Gate$ while awaiting the Glorious Day when all other operating systems will be $mighted, and the truly licen$ed will live in eternal, $acred Bli$$! Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
Why not try out Safari now? There is a Windows version that, I'm told, runs just like the OSX version. (Personally, I don't see whats so special about Safari, having used the Windows version. Its a browser with nothing particularly remarkable about it. Chrome has more interesting features, and thats not saying much.) On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Paul Cannon pecan...@bellatlantic.netwrote: I'll have to remember to look at the refurbs if and when I finally decide to try out OS X. OS X, Time Machine and Safari in the included software list interest me the most. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:18:19AM -0400, Jordan wrote: Just to clarify on some of your comments: Don't forget to check the refurbs. http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=MTE3NjY You don't need Applecare, especially if you have some skills. But I think you have a year to decide if you want to get it. Meanwhile, Apple has great support without Applecare. Check the lower left of this page for included software. http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mini?mco=MTI2MDI4MQ Paul Cannon wrote: The least expensive new Mac Mini I saw was 599$ on apple's site. That is an extra 300$ not 100 or 150. I could purchase an additional machine for that price. I won't argue that OS X is better than Fedora. I would like to try out OS X. From the specs I saw on Apple's site, the Mac Mini has a better cpu and video capabilities, but would only come with a 1G of memory and only 120Gb of storage compared to 1 terabyte. There were options to increase the cpu/ram/drive - of course that would increase the price. The largest drive from Apple was listed as 320GB and was an additional 175$. A Mac mini with upgrades (cpu/ram/hard drive) was over a 1000$. I could get 3 machines for that - stop tempting me. So probably if I wanted to get more memory and larger drives it is better to shop elsewhere for Mac accessories. The Applecare protection plan is 149$ and all the software I saw (filemaker, logic express, aperture, final cut, Iwork) had a price tag. Is this for pre-installation only or does Apple supply the media and let users install it for free? If I were to get a Mac, I would probably get a iMac and dream about a Mac Pro. Those cinema displays are also very beautiful. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
Nice gadget ... too bad that in times of increased ridership because of gas prices/ economy and funding issues, most city bus systems are facing budget shortfalls and service cutbacks... Expensive gee wiz bus tech gadgets ... will that help or make the $ problem worse? Honest question ... not sarcasm... db b_s-wilk wrote: GreaterGreaterWashington.com sez: Bus stop 2020: A team at MIT has designed a bus stop of the future. Riders can plan a bus trip on an interactive map, surf the Web, monitor their real-time exposure to pollutants and use their mobile devices as an interface with the bus shelter. They can also post ads and community announcements to an electronic bulletin board at the bus stop, enhancing the EyeStop's functionality as a community gathering space. Called the EyeStop... http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/21/mits-futuristic-netw.html http://senseable.mit.edu/eyestop/ Does it also have an espresso machine? Port-o-pot? Teflon-coated glass/plastic shell? Free WiFi? Heated/cooled enclosure: I'd like that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
On May 27, 2009, at 1:01 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Bus stop 2020: A team at MIT has designed a bus stop of the future. Many of the commentators shared my first thought. The one I liked best was even a step ahead... Maybe they should incorporate some kind of lightning zapper device to shoot potential disaffected teens in the face before they damage it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
It depends. In many foreign countries public transportation is the backbone of getting from one place to the next. I know in Europe it is frequently used and well respected. The problem here is that it is not always well thought out, tends to be restricted time wise, and is not available in many areas it could have a big use for. I will be visiting Portland shortly and I know they have a wonderful system. St. Louis has a nice one also plus a few other areas I know. Some of these are the better implementations I have seen. Where I live there is not such animal. But it would come in very handy. Stewart At 05:01 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote: Nice gadget ... too bad that in times of increased ridership because of gas prices/ economy and funding issues, most city bus systems are facing budget shortfalls and service cutbacks... Expensive gee wiz bus tech gadgets ... will that help or make the $ problem worse? Honest question ... not sarcasm... db b_s-wilk wrote: GreaterGreaterWashington.com sez: Bus stop 2020: A team at MIT has designed a bus stop of the future. Riders can plan a bus trip on an interactive map, surf the Web, monitor their real-time exposure to pollutants and use their mobile devices as an interface with the bus shelter. They can also post ads and community announcements to an electronic bulletin board at the bus stop, enhancing the EyeStop's functionality as a community gathering space. Called the EyeStop... http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/21/mits-futuristic-netw.html http://senseable.mit.edu/eyestop/ Does it also have an espresso machine? Port-o-pot? Teflon-coated glass/plastic shell? Free WiFi? Heated/cooled enclosure: I'd like that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
On May 27, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Paul Cannon wrote: The least expensive new Mac Mini I saw was 599$ on apple's site. That is an extra 300$ not 100 or 150. I could purchase an additional machine for that price. Not my fault that your area poor shopper. I recently bought several at $450 so that is the price I cited. I later saw them advertised at $415. No the Apple Online Store is not where you go for the lowest prices, but I have read of cases where their retail store will match prices. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
On May 27, 2009, at 6:01 PM, db wrote: Expensive gee wiz bus tech gadgets ... will that help or make the $ problem worse? The bus stop near my house has a small scrolling display that shows arrival times for the next few buses. It has been in service for over a year and still working. Having this information encourages ridership. It would be even nicer if I could tap into this from my computer, like I do for Metro arrival times. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
Some university techies implemented an ingenious add-on for Seattle's Bus Metro here (called One Bus Away) that allows you to place a call or SMS text to a totally automated system, where you indicate the bus stop # by voice or SMS and it reports back by voice or text when and which buses will arrive next (by hooking into the Bus Systems GPS bus reporting system). They also have an interactive webpage that does the same thing which you can set and bookmark for the bus stop nearest you. http://onebusaway.org/where/standard/index.html All three aspects basically remove the unknowing and sometimes endless wait and planning indecision that historically you take on when you ride buses. At all times, you can easily and instantly find out the schedule and if there are any delays. To me it's an INCREDIBLY useful technical improvement for riders and probably reasonably inexpensive. Not sure who funds it since, it isn't a Seattle Metro Service... Hopefully it isn't a temporary grant situation. db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: It depends. In many foreign countries public transportation is the backbone of getting from one place to the next. I know in Europe it is frequently used and well respected. The problem here is that it is not always well thought out, tends to be restricted time wise, and is not available in many areas it could have a big use for. I will be visiting Portland shortly and I know they have a wonderful system. St. Louis has a nice one also plus a few other areas I know. Some of these are the better implementations I have seen. Where I live there is not such animal. But it would come in very handy. Stewart At 05:01 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote: Nice gadget ... too bad that in times of increased ridership because of gas prices/ economy and funding issues, most city bus systems are facing budget shortfalls and service cutbacks... Expensive gee wiz bus tech gadgets ... will that help or make the $ problem worse? Honest question ... not sarcasm... db b_s-wilk wrote: GreaterGreaterWashington.com sez: Bus stop 2020: A team at MIT has designed a bus stop of the future. Riders can plan a bus trip on an interactive map, surf the Web, monitor their real-time exposure to pollutants and use their mobile devices as an interface with the bus shelter. They can also post ads and community announcements to an electronic bulletin board at the bus stop, enhancing the EyeStop's functionality as a community gathering space. Called the EyeStop... http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/21/mits-futuristic-netw.html http://senseable.mit.edu/eyestop/ Does it also have an espresso machine? Port-o-pot? Teflon-coated glass/plastic shell? Free WiFi? Heated/cooled enclosure: I'd like that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
The more customer service oriented they make it the better it is. The ones in Portland work exceptionally well and tell you where you want to go. Same with St. Louis. Came in to airports at both and got to where I needed to be with no problems. Stewart At 05:37 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote: On May 27, 2009, at 6:01 PM, db wrote: Expensive gee wiz bus tech gadgets ... will that help or make the $ problem worse? The bus stop near my house has a small scrolling display that shows arrival times for the next few buses. It has been in service for over a year and still working. Having this information encourages ridership. It would be even nicer if I could tap into this from my computer, like I do for Metro arrival times. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
I'm aware of TCO...but in this case she was asking for a 350 dollar choice and the only one she got from the mac fan crowd was 1000 to 1800. Did Marcia mention a price or price range? She mentioned netbooks because of the weight, and discounted the MacBook Air because she thought it was too expensive at $1800. I don't recall any mention of $350. She already owns an iMac. Marcia--what's your decision? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Slow-motion video
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: You're reading way too much into a quick response. You are correct, there is no 'invalid' use for special effects, that is simply a verbal flourish on my part. Thanks for the clarification. :) In the long run, you may wind up being right. I think that the MPAA may soon make it violation of the licensing agreement to view DVD movies at any speed other than what is intended. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
On May 27, 2009, at 6:29 PM, t.piwowar wrote: Not my fault that your area poor shopper. However it is my fault when I am a poor speller. What were my fingers thinking? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista SP2 is out
On May 27, 2009, at 11:25 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: Does Microsoft offer combo updates for Windows? Can I go directly from Vista [Business], no SP, to SP2 with a combo? Or do the service packs have to be installed separately? You bring up a painful topic. M$ rarely makes things cumulative. Sometimes I have to run a dozen patches in a row -- painful on a Mac where I have to type in my password each time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wither the newsmag?
On May 27, 2009, at 5:32 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, but this is the United States of America. We are steeped in our OWN culture, and avoid the contamination of others such as the French or of... Macintosh, which sounds kinda Scottish or something else that conjures images of Old Europe. And as we see all to often here, their favorite tactic is to just say it again LOUDER. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
Url ? I tried froogle and the prices were all over the map due to os release versions and different memory and graphic cards. Any vendors/sites that you would recommend looking at? Microcenter seems to be the same price; was it a sale special? Any other local dealers that would have a lower price than Apple? Were these new units or refurbished? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:29:03PM -0400, t.piwowar wrote: On May 27, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Paul Cannon wrote: The least expensive new Mac Mini I saw was 599$ on apple's site. That is an extra 300$ not 100 or 150. I could purchase an additional machine for that price. Not my fault that your area poor shopper. I recently bought several at $450 so that is the price I cited. I later saw them advertised at $415. No the Apple Online Store is not where you go for the lowest prices, but I have read of cases where their retail store will match prices. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
Last I knew www.geeks.com was also selling some refurbed Macs Stewart At 06:46 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote: Url ? I tried froogle and the prices were all over the map due to os release versions and different memory and graphic cards. Any vendors/sites that you would recommend looking at? Microcenter seems to be the same price; was it a sale special? Any other local dealers that would have a lower price than Apple? Were these new units or refurbished? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:29:03PM -0400, t.piwowar wrote: On May 27, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Paul Cannon wrote: The least expensive new Mac Mini I saw was 599$ on apple's site. That is an extra 300$ not 100 or 150. I could purchase an additional machine for that price. Not my fault that your area poor shopper. I recently bought several at $450 so that is the price I cited. I later saw them advertised at $415. No the Apple Online Store is not where you go for the lowest prices, but I have read of cases where their retail store will match prices. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
Nothing they can do to increase ridership will help so long as they operate under a model that has them loose money on each rider. You can't make it up in volume. Matthew On May 27, 2009, at 6:01 PM, db wrote: Nice gadget ... too bad that in times of increased ridership because of gas prices/ economy and funding issues, most city bus systems are facing budget shortfalls and service cutbacks... Expensive gee wiz bus tech gadgets ... will that help or make the $ problem worse? Honest question ... not sarcasm... db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
Volume does help. The problem I see that they need to correct is a view of public transportation as ill suited to anyone with an income over the poverty level in some cities. Anyone will tell you that if you increase your volume you increase your profit. Most public transportation does not get into enough neighborhoods (not in my back yard) and reach enough people to make it truly cost effective. I lived in one city (when I was growing up) that did not reach our neighborhood with the bus for 15 years! My mother had a cleaning lady and if she could not drive or get a ride she had no way of getting to our house until they extended the bus routes. The other problem was they cut off the bus in the early afternoon. DUMB. Operating a public transportation service like a public utility might make better sense and try and reach more people Just a thought. Stewart At 07:25 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote: Nothing they can do to increase ridership will help so long as they operate under a model that has them loose money on each rider. You can't make it up in volume. Matthew On May 27, 2009, at 6:01 PM, db wrote: Nice gadget ... too bad that in times of increased ridership because of gas prices/ economy and funding issues, most city bus systems are facing budget shortfalls and service cutbacks... Expensive gee wiz bus tech gadgets ... will that help or make the $ problem worse? Honest question ... not sarcasm... db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] An observation
In my recent post about slow-motion, I think I may have observed a difference in the Mac and Windows users mind set. It appears that the Mac user asks How do you do something? and the Windows user asks Why do you want to do it? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] An observation
That's not so much an 'observation' as a 'generalization'. I know *I* was curious, and asked why, but I don't recall any others asking. Or caring. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Stephen Brownfield steveei...@verizon.net wrote: In my recent post about slow-motion, I think I may have observed a difference in the Mac and Windows users mind set. It appears that the Mac user asks How do you do something? and the Windows user asks Why do you want to do it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
No, volume hurts most public transit because the cost to serve additional passengers is greater than the revenue received from those passengers. Yes, you can make a bit more if you are filling mostly empty busses and train cars, but when you need to expand service to need greater demand you will loose money if the increase in demand can not generate sufficient revenue to pay the cost of expanded service. It is very simple math. Public utility models assume that on average every user covers their costs. Public transit in the US typically does not. Matthew On May 27, 2009, at 8:34 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Volume does help. The problem I see that they need to correct is a view of public transportation as ill suited to anyone with an income over the poverty level in some cities. Anyone will tell you that if you increase your volume you increase your profit. Most public transportation does not get into enough neighborhoods (not in my back yard) and reach enough people to make it truly cost effective. I lived in one city (when I was growing up) that did not reach our neighborhood with the bus for 15 years! My mother had a cleaning lady and if she could not drive or get a ride she had no way of getting to our house until they extended the bus routes. The other problem was they cut off the bus in the early afternoon. DUMB. Operating a public transportation service like a public utility might make better sense and try and reach more people Just a thought. Stewart At 07:25 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote: Nothing they can do to increase ridership will help so long as they operate under a model that has them loose money on each rider. You can't make it up in volume. Matthew On May 27, 2009, at 6:01 PM, db wrote: Nice gadget ... too bad that in times of increased ridership because of gas prices/ economy and funding issues, most city bus systems are facing budget shortfalls and service cutbacks... Expensive gee wiz bus tech gadgets ... will that help or make the $ problem worse? Honest question ... not sarcasm... db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MIT's futuristic, networked bus stop design
Again because they aim only at the lower income. If they aimed at a higher income they would make money. That is what I meant about neighborhoods not served. In Europe their public transportation does not just aim at one socio economic strata. It serves all. In Canada (One I am again familiar with) they aim at all socio economic strata. From Go Trains to street cars to buses and trains serving many different areas. Some of it is profit making some not, but since they serve a wider area, they can subsidize the unprofitable with the profitable. Like I said aim public transportation to folks above the poverty line and serve them and it will make money. Stewart At 08:02 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote: No, volume hurts most public transit because the cost to serve additional passengers is greater than the revenue received from those passengers. Yes, you can make a bit more if you are filling mostly empty busses and train cars, but when you need to expand service to need greater demand you will loose money if the increase in demand can not generate sufficient revenue to pay the cost of expanded service. It is very simple math. Public utility models assume that on average every user covers their costs. Public transit in the US typically does not. Matthew Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
This list really is getting childish: On Wed, 27 May 2009 09:25:24 -0500, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: WFBs must join Redmond and never deviate from (nor become unlicen$ed from) the Official Word, always ignoring any inconvenient facts or expertise to restate all dogma from the supreme leader, $teve Ballmer, or in His absence, the Almighty Bill Gate$ while awaiting the Glorious Day when all other operating systems will be $mighted, and the truly licen$ed will live in eternal, $acred Bli$$! -Original Message- You'll never be a good MFB if you start worrying about cost. Being a good MFB is like joining scientology, you never worry about the high price of being pure. As expressed in another thread, the very idea of going into a computer store with a budget is not towing the line for Steve Jobs. Think Steve, Think Different...Think Pure. -- R:\katan LET'S GO METS!! LET'S GO METS!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
