Re: [CGUYS] car repair reputation

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Triple A also has a list of recommended repair shops.  AAA

Stewart


At 10:23 PM 6/7/2008, you wrote:

Is there a website that allows local car repair shops to
be rated and reported on?  angieslist.com has reports on
home service (contractors?), anything similar for
mechanics?


If you listen to Car Talk, you've likely heard a reference to the following:

http://www.cartalk.com/content/mechx/

The places listed on there that I've dealt with all seem to accord 
with the ratings given by others.  Of course, no guarantee of 
accuracy but it is a source.



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Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
Ozark, AL  SL 82


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[CGUYS] WinXP SP3 removal tool from Symantec

[Art Clemons]

Some folks appear to have had a problem with SP3 and some chipsets or 
manufacturers.  Symantec seems to have a standalone tool to fix problems.



http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9094578&intsrc=news_ts_head


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Re: [CGUYS] car repair reputation

[Art Clemons]

Is there a website that allows local car repair shops to
be rated and reported on?  angieslist.com has reports on
home service (contractors?), anything similar for
mechanics?


If you listen to Car Talk, you've likely heard a reference to the following:

http://www.cartalk.com/content/mechx/

The places listed on there that I've dealt with all seem to accord with 
the ratings given by others.  Of course, no guarantee of accuracy but it 
is a source.



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Re: [CGUYS] car repair reputation

[Admiral Harris]

I think Washington Checkbook has something like that.

http://www.checkbook.org/sitemap/washington_dc/


- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Dernoncourt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:55 PM
Subject: [CGUYS] car repair reputation



Is there a website that allows local car repair shops to
be rated and reported on?  angieslist.com has reports on
home service (contractors?), anything similar for
mechanics?

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[CGUYS] car repair reputation

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

Is there a website that allows local car repair shops to
be rated and reported on?  angieslist.com has reports on
home service (contractors?), anything similar for
mechanics?

-- 
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Wayne D.   | supply this, at least not directly
We all live in a yellow subroutine.


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[CGUYS] PC World Top 100 2008

[Tony B]

> Are any of you using flock?
> http://www.flock.com/

>If you're a fan of social networking sites, and believe the Web is as much 
>about connecting to other people as it is connecting to Web sites, then this 
>is the browser for you.

Well, that leaves ME out. I can't even figure out exactly what that
*means*. I don't want my contacts knowing what I'm doing all day.
10:01 eating breakfast. 10:32 picking nose.

But that led me to an amusing list - The 100 Best Products of 2008
from PC World.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,146161-page,12-c,electronics/article.html

I dunno how they can make this list less than halfway through the
year, but there are some interesting rankings. Like, how could Hulu
make #1? And WinXP is #4, with Mac OS 10.5 way up at 17 (high for a PC
site). I guess with 100 products to pick the list is just heavily
watered down.


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[CGUYS] ip blocklists

[mike]

When I was running XP Pro I used peer guardian for blocklists.  It could
block any set of lists I chose, http, whole countries, ads etc.  I'm looking
for something in this vein for Vista 64 which I switched to recently.
Anyone have ideas?

Mike


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[mike]

Nlite is a fantastic program...used it many times myself.   And it's free.

Mike

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, I'd read the wikipedia entry. All Intel seems to be saying is
> that, even though they give you three choices, you should only pick
> one of two. i.e., "Install RAID Drivers" doesn't mean you necessarily
> want a RAID, and it'll work fine if you don't set one up.
>
> Like everything else, it's clear as mud. Why don't they just eliminate
> the "AHCI Drivers only" option then? Or put that GD paragraph on the
> GD screen somewhere along with the choices?
>
> Anyway. Poking around this afternoon here
> (
> http://www.msfn.org/board/Integration-of-Intel-Sata-and-Raid-drive-t107504.html
> )
> I discovered Nlite (http://www.nliteos.com/). Nlite is a darn nice GUI
> app for slipstreaming Windows. No more esoteric command line stuff,
> just point and click. So I now have an .iso with SP3 and that last set
> of SATA drivers. I can't wait to try it. Well, maybe I can. :)
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Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

[mike]

I went web based for the reasons you state you stay on your own system.  My
net connection is so slow, It's much faster for me to keep it on the web.
Pretty sad in this day and age DSL can be so slow as almost unusable for
email.

Mike

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would say no, I like having the mail format.  Going web-based, you have
> to
> go to the site and open up the forum, find the thread and post a reply.
>  Not
> a burden, but with email, it's right here.  KISS.
>
> OTOH, going with a web-based solution eliminates the broken mess that is
> email today and ensures that the data gets through.  And, as an added
> bonus,
> we get to have forum spam!
>
> > -Original Message-
> > To revive a question that I raise from time to time: Is it time for
> > CGUYS
> > to move from a primary mail-based delivery system to a primary http-
> > based
> > delivery system?
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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Tony B]

Yes, I'd read the wikipedia entry. All Intel seems to be saying is
that, even though they give you three choices, you should only pick
one of two. i.e., "Install RAID Drivers" doesn't mean you necessarily
want a RAID, and it'll work fine if you don't set one up.

Like everything else, it's clear as mud. Why don't they just eliminate
the "AHCI Drivers only" option then? Or put that GD paragraph on the
GD screen somewhere along with the choices?

Anyway. Poking around this afternoon here
(http://www.msfn.org/board/Integration-of-Intel-Sata-and-Raid-drive-t107504.html)
I discovered Nlite (http://www.nliteos.com/). Nlite is a darn nice GUI
app for slipstreaming Windows. No more esoteric command line stuff,
just point and click. So I now have an .iso with SP3 and that last set
of SATA drivers. I can't wait to try it. Well, maybe I can. :)


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Jeff Wright]

Bah!  Didn't see your message until after I sent mine.  Sorry for the
duplicate info...

> -Original Message-
> From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:COMPUTERGUYS-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike
> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:21 PM
> To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
> Subject: Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA
> 
> Many SATA controllers can enable AHCI either separately or in
> conjunction
> with RAID  support. Intel recommends
> choosing RAID mode on their
> motherboards(which also
> enables AHCI) rather than the plain AHCI/SATA mode for maximum
> flexibility, due to the issues caused when the mode is switched once an
> operating system has already been installed
> 
> 
>- Enabling AHCI in a system BIOS 
> will
>cause a 0x7B Blue Screen of
> DeathSTOP error (
>*INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE*) on installations of Windows
> XPwhere AHCI/RAID drivers for
> that system's chipset are not installed.
>Switching to AHCI mode requires installing new drivers before
> changing the
>BIOS settings.
>- For Intel chipsets (for example, Intel
> ICH9)
>drivers are available from either an OEM board or computer
> manufacturer. For
>the Intel versions, the driver must be loaded before loading the OS
> (by
>pressing F6 as setup starts).The Intel drivers will work for both XP
> and
>Vista. Also, in the case of ICH9, an unsupported method to enable
> AHCI on
>ICH9  is
> available.
>- When attempting to install Microsoft Windows XP or a previous
> version
>on an AHCI-enabled system will cause the setup to fail with the
> error
>message "set up could not detect hard disk drive...". This problem
> can only
>be corrected by either using a floppy
> diskwith the appropriate
> drivers, by
>slipstreaming
> the
> appropriate drivers into the Windows XP installation CD or by turning
> on
>IDE
> emulation ler_Interface>in
> the BIOS settings if available.
>- Enabling AHCI in a system BIOS with Windows
> Vistaalready installed
> will result in a
>BSoD  if SATA has
> been
>running in IDE mode during Vista's installation. Before enabling
> AHCI in the
>BIOS, users must first follow the instructions found at Microsoft
>Knowledge Base article 922976
> .
>- Enabling AHCI in a system BIOS on installations of Windows XP or
>Windows Vista will cause SATA Optical drives to disappear. A Hotfix
> for
>Windows Vista is available under the title: "SATA optical drives are
> not
>available after you start a Windows Vista-based computer.
> 
> 
> 
> That's from wiki.  I've never used AHCI myself..perhaps the whole
> article
> might shed light?
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Host_Controller_Interface
> 
> 
> MIke
> 
> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Yes, just today, although I really don't want RAID, just AHCI. Setup
> > stops saying it can't find any hard drives (bios shows them okay). It
> > really shouldn't be this difficult for a mainstream board like Intel.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > Good luck with Intel tech support. It's taken me months to get a
> solution
> > > for warranty support from them.  It's a slow motion ballet of email
> > > messages.
> > >
> > > I gotta say tho', this is really odd.  I've installed XP with SATA
> drives
> > on
> > > probably a dozen different chipsets and never run into this in a
> non-RAID
> > > environment.
> > >
> > > Have you tried the RAID driver?  I don't recall seeing that in the
> > thread.


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Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

[Jeff Wright]

I would say no, I like having the mail format.  Going web-based, you have to
go to the site and open up the forum, find the thread and post a reply.  Not
a burden, but with email, it's right here.  KISS.

OTOH, going with a web-based solution eliminates the broken mess that is
email today and ensures that the data gets through.  And, as an added bonus,
we get to have forum spam!

> -Original Message-
> To revive a question that I raise from time to time: Is it time for
> CGUYS
> to move from a primary mail-based delivery system to a primary http-
> based
> delivery system?


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Jeff Wright]

Interesting side note

" Many SATA controllers can enable AHCI either separately or in conjunction
with RAID support. Intel recommends choosing RAID mode on their motherboards
(which also enables AHCI) rather than the plain AHCI/SATA mode for maximum
flexibility, due to the issues caused when the mode is switched once an
operating system has already been installed.[2]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Host_Controller_Interface

> -Original Message-
> Yes, just today, although I really don't want RAID, just AHCI. Setup
> stops saying it can't find any hard drives (bios shows them okay). It
> really shouldn't be this difficult for a mainstream board like Intel.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Good luck with Intel tech support. It's taken me months to get a
> solution
> > for warranty support from them.  It's a slow motion ballet of email
> > messages.
> >
> > I gotta say tho', this is really odd.  I've installed XP with SATA
> drives on
> > probably a dozen different chipsets and never run into this in a non-
> RAID
> > environment.
> >
> > Have you tried the RAID driver?  I don't recall seeing that in the
> thread.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question: let's end this

[Steve Rigby]

On Jun 7, 2008, at 1:58 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:

Is it important that the Nokia N-series phones' cameras have Zeiss  
lenses? Does that make their photos any better?


  Maybe.  But, compared to what?  If compared to an identical phone  
equipped with a different lens make, perhaps it will be better.   
Compared to a different brand of phone with a camera it may still be  
better, but perhaps not if components other than the lens are of  
higher quality in this other brand of phone.  I personally see no  
reason at all to go to extremes in an attempt to extract truly  
worthwhile pictures from a phone and I sure as heck would not be  
swayed to buy any phone because it has a Zeiss lens.


  The proverbial cardboard box pinhole camera has no lens at all and  
one of those can almost assuredly take a better looking photo than a  
Zeiss equipped phone camera.   : )


  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[mike]

Many SATA controllers can enable AHCI either separately or in conjunction
with RAID  support. Intel recommends
choosing RAID mode on their
motherboards(which also
enables AHCI) rather than the plain AHCI/SATA mode for maximum
flexibility, due to the issues caused when the mode is switched once an
operating system has already been installed


   - Enabling AHCI in a system BIOS  will
   cause a 0x7B Blue Screen of
DeathSTOP error (
   *INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE*) on installations of Windows
XPwhere AHCI/RAID drivers for
that system's chipset are not installed.
   Switching to AHCI mode requires installing new drivers before changing the
   BIOS settings.
   - For Intel chipsets (for example, Intel
ICH9)
   drivers are available from either an OEM board or computer manufacturer. For
   the Intel versions, the driver must be loaded before loading the OS (by
   pressing F6 as setup starts).The Intel drivers will work for both XP and
   Vista. Also, in the case of ICH9, an unsupported method to enable AHCI on
   ICH9  is available.
   - When attempting to install Microsoft Windows XP or a previous version
   on an AHCI-enabled system will cause the setup to fail with the error
   message "set up could not detect hard disk drive...". This problem can only
   be corrected by either using a floppy
diskwith the appropriate
drivers, by
   slipstreaming
the
appropriate drivers into the Windows XP installation CD or by turning
on
   IDE 
emulationin
the BIOS settings if available.
   - Enabling AHCI in a system BIOS with Windows
Vistaalready installed
will result in a
   BSoD  if SATA has been
   running in IDE mode during Vista's installation. Before enabling AHCI in the
   BIOS, users must first follow the instructions found at Microsoft
   Knowledge Base article 922976 .
   - Enabling AHCI in a system BIOS on installations of Windows XP or
   Windows Vista will cause SATA Optical drives to disappear. A Hotfix for
   Windows Vista is available under the title: "SATA optical drives are not
   available after you start a Windows Vista-based computer.



That's from wiki.  I've never used AHCI myself..perhaps the whole article
might shed light?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Host_Controller_Interface


MIke

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, just today, although I really don't want RAID, just AHCI. Setup
> stops saying it can't find any hard drives (bios shows them okay). It
> really shouldn't be this difficult for a mainstream board like Intel.
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Good luck with Intel tech support. It's taken me months to get a solution
> > for warranty support from them.  It's a slow motion ballet of email
> > messages.
> >
> > I gotta say tho', this is really odd.  I've installed XP with SATA drives
> on
> > probably a dozen different chipsets and never run into this in a non-RAID
> > environment.
> >
> > Have you tried the RAID driver?  I don't recall seeing that in the
> thread.
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Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

[mike]

Just to get it straight for me, I've got nine msgs NOW, with the last one,
but the last one I have says he has nine?

so...Jeff, MIke, John D, Jeff, Tony, Jeff, Db, Tom and Robert.   That's
nine.  I'm using Gmail.

Mike

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I got only six of the nine SATA messages, and I am using Cox.
>
> Jeff Wright wrote:
>
>> To update on the piss-poor spam filtering that Comcast is using, it
>> continues with a new twist.  I'm getting *some* messages on threads, but
>> not
>> all at times.  For instance, Tony's thread on SATA drivers, I only got 6
>> of
>> the 9 messages, which explained my confusion as to who Tony was replying
>> to.
>>
>> I see all the messages in my Gmail inbox, so maybe that's the solution.  I
>> haven't had the time nor inclination to deal with Comcast's "support."
>>  But
>> I hate Gmail's insistence on displaying all messages in a thread as a
>> collapsed "conversation", rather than individual messages in a linear
>> format.  I wouldn't mind so much if you had the option to do either, but
>> it's Google's way or the highway.
>> So, I have to choose:  craptacular mail service or poor interface design
>> choices.  :::sigh:::  And no, I don't need *another* email address.
>>
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>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1489 - Release
>> Date: 6/7/2008 11:17 AM
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Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

[Robert]

I got only six of the nine SATA messages, and I am using Cox.

Jeff Wright wrote:

To update on the piss-poor spam filtering that Comcast is using, it
continues with a new twist.  I'm getting *some* messages on threads, but not
all at times.  For instance, Tony's thread on SATA drivers, I only got 6 of
the 9 messages, which explained my confusion as to who Tony was replying to.

I see all the messages in my Gmail inbox, so maybe that's the solution.  I
haven't had the time nor inclination to deal with Comcast's "support."  But
I hate Gmail's insistence on displaying all messages in a thread as a
collapsed "conversation", rather than individual messages in a linear
format.  I wouldn't mind so much if you had the option to do either, but
it's Google's way or the highway.  


So, I have to choose:  craptacular mail service or poor interface design
choices.  :::sigh:::  And no, I don't need *another* email address.


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Tony B]

Yes, just today, although I really don't want RAID, just AHCI. Setup
stops saying it can't find any hard drives (bios shows them okay). It
really shouldn't be this difficult for a mainstream board like Intel.


On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good luck with Intel tech support. It's taken me months to get a solution
> for warranty support from them.  It's a slow motion ballet of email
> messages.
>
> I gotta say tho', this is really odd.  I've installed XP with SATA drives on
> probably a dozen different chipsets and never run into this in a non-RAID
> environment.
>
> Have you tried the RAID driver?  I don't recall seeing that in the thread.


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Re: [CGUYS] Here's some news...

[John Duncan Yoyo]

Part of what keeps apple ahead of M$ is a willingness to orphan
machines and software after a period of time.  M$ saddles itself with
so much legacy hardware and code that it can't embrace change as
easily.  These are both good and bad traits in a computer company.
The period before orphaning hardware/software should be long enough to
be fair to people that bought it.  A companies history should not
inconvenience new users with bloated code to support ancient
software/hardware.

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM, b_s-wilk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Apple is said to be planning to make the latest upgrade, 10.6,  of their
>>> Leopard OS an Intel ONLY version, cutting out the non-intel
>>> Mac community.  This move, if true, is aimed at making the Leopard
>>> OS imminently useable on Windows machines and forcing Mac PPC
>>> owners to buy new computers if they want to use future versions of
>>> Leopard.
>>>
>> I should have written "next major upgrade."
>
>
> OS X, as Rhapsody--1999?, ran on NT PPC boxes, with some hacks. Emphasizing
> 'hacks' means that it takes a fair amount of effort to run OS X on an
> Intel PC box. The main reason to avoid the hacks is that Macs are priced
> competitively and designed for all components to work together
> seamlessly. There's not much incentive for most users to hack a PC to
> run a Mac OS.
>
> For those who like the challenge, it can be fun, just like modding and
> overclocking are rewarding.
>
> I prefer to have both Macs and PCs, and use/mod each to its best advantage.
>
> My PPC is 7 years old. It's "new" processor is 2 years old. Intel Macs
> have been around long enough that it makes good business sense to
> develop for new Macs and let third parties handle legacy models, or to
> declare them obsolete, just like our PM7600 and PM6100 that still run
> well, but hasn't been supported in years. So what!
>
> Betty
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Re: [CGUYS] Here's some news...

[Tom Piwowar]

>Apple could conceivably eliminate their desktop line of computers 
>altogether the way that their portable devices are selling.

No. Over half of Apple's profits come from those computers and that part 
of their business is far more stable over time than the other stuff they 
are selling.


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Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

[Tom Piwowar]

>To update on the piss-poor spam filtering that Comcast is using, it
>continues with a new twist.  I'm getting *some* messages on threads, but not
>all at times.  For instance, Tony's thread on SATA drivers, I only got 6 of
>the 9 messages, which explained my confusion as to who Tony was replying to.

Another solution is to review message threads via the archives. I think 
Mail-Archive.com version is especially easy for following a threads.

To revive a question that I raise from time to time: Is it time for CGUYS 
to move from a primary mail-based delivery system to a primary http-based 
delivery system?


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Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question: let's end this

[Tom Piwowar]

>Is it important that the Nokia N-series phones' cameras have Zeiss 
>lenses? Does that make their photos any better? Of course, they're still 
>mobile phones, not dedicated cameras.

Or did Zeiss get new managers who will sell Zeiss stickers to just about 
anybody? I don't know what's going on inside that company, but as an 
outside observer it looks to me that allowing their brand to be 
associated with anything less than excellent cameras is a short-sighted, 
quick-buck strategy.


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Jeff Wright]

Good luck with Intel tech support. It's taken me months to get a solution
for warranty support from them.  It's a slow motion ballet of email
messages.

I gotta say tho', this is really odd.  I've installed XP with SATA drives on
probably a dozen different chipsets and never run into this in a non-RAID
environment.

Have you tried the RAID driver?  I don't recall seeing that in the thread.

Driver page:  http://tinyurl.com/6c6g5n

> -Original Message-
> Well, you may have *thought* you did, but like me, you probably had
> EIDE mode enabled for the SATA ports. This works, but then none of the
> SATA ports are using AHCI, so they're degraded - e.g. slower and not
> hot swappable. By default WinXP (even SP3) doesn't come with SATA
> (AHCI) drivers, so you couldn't possibly have ever installed WinXP to
> a true SATA drive without jumping through hoops.
> 
> Of course, it's possible to slipstream in SATA drivers, so if you're
> using a custom WinXP disk this may have been the case.
> 
> I didn't say the mobo didn't come with a cdrom. It did. But WinXP
> won't install SATA drivers from anything but a floppy. I've searched
> the cdrom and there are no floppy files or instructions how to make
> one.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question: let's end this

[b_s-wilk]

Most people don't realize how the quality of glass is so important in 
photography. I worked for a newspaper, in the art department, and 
shooting/developing/printing film, shooting photostats. If I was lucky, 
they'd be printed in the glossy section instead of on newsprint.


One day one of the reporters was in a hurry and wanted to do the 
photostat herself. She was in a bad mood. She slammed down the glass 
cover over the photo. It cracked. She was billed for the replacement 
glass. I think the size was around 20"x30". The vendor was in Germany.


The newspaper's discounted cost for the glass was $650, in 1988. Good 
glass was expensive. Still is.


Is it important that the Nokia N-series phones' cameras have Zeiss 
lenses? Does that make their photos any better? Of course, they're still 
mobile phones, not dedicated cameras.


Betty


Please.

The D40 new is superior to a refurbished or new D70 (or D70s).  The
Nikon 18~55mmVR lens is excellent.  A DSLR one buys today is
overtaken swiftly by next models, certainly within 18 months.  A
film-era camera, such as Hasselblad (I use them even now with great
reliability), was viable for 20+ years, results indistinguishable
from current models.  Overnight, digital cameras become inferior
performers, eventual landfill (here, or in China), much as their
mobil phone brethren.  Those who read Ken Rockwell's excellent
website, the best out there on subjects photography, know this.
Should you elect to go the DSLR route, you will learn there also that
your most important investment is in glass, not in ephemeral camera.

Thank you.

Chad



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Re: [CGUYS] Here's some news...

[b_s-wilk]

Apple is said to be planning to make the latest upgrade, 10.6,  of 
their Leopard OS an Intel ONLY version, cutting out the non-intel

Mac community.  This move, if true, is aimed at making the Leopard
OS imminently useable on Windows machines and forcing Mac PPC
owners to buy new computers if they want to use future versions of
Leopard.


I should have written "next major upgrade."



OS X, as Rhapsody--1999?, ran on NT PPC boxes, with some hacks. Emphasizing
'hacks' means that it takes a fair amount of effort to run OS X on an
Intel PC box. The main reason to avoid the hacks is that Macs are priced
competitively and designed for all components to work together
seamlessly. There's not much incentive for most users to hack a PC to
run a Mac OS.

For those who like the challenge, it can be fun, just like modding and
overclocking are rewarding.

I prefer to have both Macs and PCs, and use/mod each to its best advantage.

My PPC is 7 years old. It's "new" processor is 2 years old. Intel Macs
have been around long enough that it makes good business sense to
develop for new Macs and let third parties handle legacy models, or to
declare them obsolete, just like our PM7600 and PM6100 that still run
well, but hasn't been supported in years. So what!

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[CGUYS] Refurb vs Used [was: DSLR question (was over shooting]

[b_s-wilk]

> I had no idea you could still pay pretty close to new price for a
> used/refurbished camera.  Yes, it does say "refurbished by NIKON
> includes warranty" but I don't think that justifies the price.
>
>
> When new, the D70 body sold for $1,099 (the "kit" with 18-70mm AF-S lens
> was $1,299), so even though they're taking almost $200 off, I'd still
> pass.
>
>
> Given the choice between a new camera or a used/refurb'd camera, I'd go
> with the new.  I'm not saying anything bad about the D70.  I absolutely
> love mine, but I can't justify that cost ($900) for a used/refurb'd
> camera.

The 20-30% savings can be worth it, but you need to consider the 
difference between refurbished and used.


Often I prefer to buy refurbished electronics rather than new. Anything 
that might go wrong has already been repaired. When you buy from the 
manufacturer, the refurbs can have the same warranty, Apple refurbs have 
full warranty. Our Apple and Onkyo refurbs are excellent quality and 
value. Denon was awful; it broke; I'm glad we didn't pay full price 
since they also broke and became refurbs that broke.


I rarely buy used electronics, except at yard sales. Even items that 
have been checked out by third party vendors as working may have hidden 
defects. When you buy refurbished from manufacturers, their techs have 
looked for and repaired the defects that may not be apparent to the 
casual user. Dell sells used Dell PCs and many of them are also reliable 
quality.


Some refurbs we've bought that still work fine:
2 HP iPods [I fixed the one that appeared
broken last month, it was just stuck]
black iPod classic
Sony Trinitron monitor - 2000 [I wish it would die. It's
still in excellent condition, but I want an LCD;
bought it at auction for $140 as refurb]
iMac [iLamp]- 2002
PowerMac G4 - 2001
Dell Latitude -2004
Panasonic boombox - 1988
2 Sony boomboxes - 1992
JVC VCR - ?
Onkyo theater system - ? 2003
Canon TLB SLR   1973?
Soligor 80-200mm zoom - 1974? It still works
on my Pentax K1000 since the older Pentax
broke after dropping it a 'zillion' times.
etc.
etc.

Betty


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Tony B]

Nope. This presents me with the same four F6 choices as the last one I
downloaded. None match the chip the manual says I have. I tried one
last night, then a different one just now. A few minutes later setup
tells me it can't find any drives, press F3 to reboot.


On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 12:06 AM, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2372&OSFullName=Windows*+XP+Professional&lang=eng&strOSs=44&submit=Go%21#DRV
>
> That doesn't contain the files you need?


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Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

[db]

Yes, Gmail supports POP and IMAP email clients... Thunderbird or whatever.
db

Mike Sloane wrote:
Although I have not tried it, I believe there is a way to bring Gmail 
messages into your machine's Email application. I purposely don't do 
that because I like having my Gmail account available when I am having 
problems with Thunderbird (most recently with an inbox that 
mysteriously ballooned up to something like 15 gig in size  and froze 
the application - I am told that I need to "compact" folders more often).


Mike

Jeff Wright wrote:

To update on the piss-poor spam filtering that Comcast is using, it
continues with a new twist.  I'm getting *some* messages on threads, 
but not
all at times.  For instance, Tony's thread on SATA drivers, I only 
got 6 of
the 9 messages, which explained my confusion as to who Tony was 
replying to.


I see all the messages in my Gmail inbox, so maybe that's the 
solution.  I
haven't had the time nor inclination to deal with Comcast's 
"support."  But

I hate Gmail's insistence on displaying all messages in a thread as a
collapsed "conversation", rather than individual messages in a linear
format.  I wouldn't mind so much if you had the option to do either, but
it's Google's way or the highway. 
So, I have to choose:  craptacular mail service or poor interface design

choices.  :::sigh:::  And no, I don't need *another* email address.




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[CGUYS] Q: social browser FLOCK

[GK]

Are any of you using flock?
http://www.flock.com/

Any reviews would be welcome.
Thanks.
/gayley knight


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Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

[Jeff Wright]

> -Original Message-
> There's an 'expand all' button on the right.

Yeah, I know, but all that does is expand the thread.

> Gmail still offers free POP or IMAP access, but why hang onto the past
> like that? It's not too difficult for _this_ old dog to learn new
> tricks. :)

I can do that too, but I *like* individual messages over conversations.
It's a preference, nothing more, but I like choice too.  Sometimes it's
helpful to see a thread, but usually not.  YMMV.  Besides, if someone
changes the subject line, then the thread falls apart.

But, yeah, I've already set up Outlook with Gmail IMAP access.  Replying
using that now.


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Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

[Tony B]

There's an 'expand all' button on the right.

Gmail still offers free POP or IMAP access, but why hang onto the past
like that? It's not too difficult for _this_ old dog to learn new
tricks. :)


On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I see all the messages in my Gmail inbox, so maybe that's the solution.  I
> haven't had the time nor inclination to deal with Comcast's "support."  But
> I hate Gmail's insistence on displaying all messages in a thread as a
> collapsed "conversation", rather than individual messages in a linear
> format.  I wouldn't mind so much if you had the option to do either, but
> it's Google's way or the highway.


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Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

[Jeff Wright]

Yeah, I forget that Gmail has that.  Thanks John.

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:57 AM, John DeCarlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gmail support IMAP - you can use whatever email client you want.
>
> --
> John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own
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Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

[John DeCarlo]

Gmail support IMAP - you can use whatever email client you want.

-- 
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own


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Re: [CGUYS] AVG dissatisfaction

[Jeff Wright]

One problem I have noticed is that if you upgrade to v. 8 directly from v.
7.5, I've seen, twice now, desktops not loading as a result; you just sit
there with a background and no icons.  Manually uninstalling 7.5 and then
installing 8 doesn't have this problem so far.  I've had to do system
restores to fix it.

> -Original Message-
> I had a program update on 7.5 this week, and my computer is now booting
> far
> faster than it has been since the previous update.  I recall this
> happening
> a few times before (I've been using Free AVG for several years).  After
> some program updates, my machine was slow to boot.  Then the next
> update
> seemed to fix some problem and booting would appear to go back to
> normal.


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Re: [CGUYS] AVG dissatisfaction

[Sue Cubic]

At 04:53 PM 06/05/2008 -0400, Ranbo wrote


After reading this thread, wondering if AVG might be what is slowing down my
browsing, mainly on FireFox, but probably also some on IE?


I had a program update on 7.5 this week, and my computer is now booting far 
faster than it has been since the previous update.  I recall this happening 
a few times before (I've been using Free AVG for several years).  After 
some program updates, my machine was slow to boot.  Then the next update 
seemed to fix some problem and booting would appear to go back to normal.


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Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages

[Mike Sloane]

Although I have not tried it, I believe there is a way to bring Gmail 
messages into your machine's Email application. I purposely don't do 
that because I like having my Gmail account available when I am having 
problems with Thunderbird (most recently with an inbox that mysteriously 
ballooned up to something like 15 gig in size  and froze the application 
- I am told that I need to "compact" folders more often).


Mike

Jeff Wright wrote:

To update on the piss-poor spam filtering that Comcast is using, it
continues with a new twist.  I'm getting *some* messages on threads, but not
all at times.  For instance, Tony's thread on SATA drivers, I only got 6 of
the 9 messages, which explained my confusion as to who Tony was replying to.

I see all the messages in my Gmail inbox, so maybe that's the solution.  I
haven't had the time nor inclination to deal with Comcast's "support."  But
I hate Gmail's insistence on displaying all messages in a thread as a
collapsed "conversation", rather than individual messages in a linear
format.  I wouldn't mind so much if you had the option to do either, but
it's Google's way or the highway.  


So, I have to choose:  craptacular mail service or poor interface design
choices.  :::sigh:::  And no, I don't need *another* email address.




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[CGUYS] Missing messages

[Jeff Wright]

To update on the piss-poor spam filtering that Comcast is using, it
continues with a new twist.  I'm getting *some* messages on threads, but not
all at times.  For instance, Tony's thread on SATA drivers, I only got 6 of
the 9 messages, which explained my confusion as to who Tony was replying to.

I see all the messages in my Gmail inbox, so maybe that's the solution.  I
haven't had the time nor inclination to deal with Comcast's "support."  But
I hate Gmail's insistence on displaying all messages in a thread as a
collapsed "conversation", rather than individual messages in a linear
format.  I wouldn't mind so much if you had the option to do either, but
it's Google's way or the highway.  

So, I have to choose:  craptacular mail service or poor interface design
choices.  :::sigh:::  And no, I don't need *another* email address.


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Re: [CGUYS] AVG dissatisfaction

[Jeff Wright]

> -Original Message-
> Thought I received message at end of May that AVG free was ending as of
> June
> 1 and needed to upgrade to presumably paid version.  Was away and
> didn't do
> anything, but still seems to be running as far as I can tell.  Anyone
> else
> heard about this?

This is a common misconception based on AVG trying to (understandably) drive
people to their paid version.  You can still d/l and use the new, free
version at the same website as ever:  free.grisosft.com

> After reading this thread, wondering if AVG might be what is slowing
> down my
> browsing, mainly on FireFox, but probably also some on IE?

I haven't noticed anything like that.  The new version inserts security
"ratings" after every Google search result, but it's as quick as ever.


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Tony B]

Well, you may have *thought* you did, but like me, you probably had
EIDE mode enabled for the SATA ports. This works, but then none of the
SATA ports are using AHCI, so they're degraded - e.g. slower and not
hot swappable. By default WinXP (even SP3) doesn't come with SATA
(AHCI) drivers, so you couldn't possibly have ever installed WinXP to
a true SATA drive without jumping through hoops.

Of course, it's possible to slipstream in SATA drivers, so if you're
using a custom WinXP disk this may have been the case.

I didn't say the mobo didn't come with a cdrom. It did. But WinXP
won't install SATA drivers from anything but a floppy. I've searched
the cdrom and there are no floppy files or instructions how to make
one.


On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Rich Schinnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tony, are you trying to install windowsXP from an original xp disk
> pre service pack's?  I have installed windows xp on at least a dozen
> SATA only motherboards without any drivers.  Also, I can't understand
> why  your motherboard did not come with a cdrom. I don't think I have
> ever bought a new motherboard without a cdrom coming along with it as
> well as a new metal part for the case to allow the connections to
> be properly positioned.


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Tony B]

Yes, I tried that. Well, you _have_ to do this registry change to get
Vista to use the SATA drivers at all. Oddly, on first boot it seemed
to get all the way up, then it seemed to very nicely shut down. After
that, nothing but 7B blue screens complaining about 'crcdisk.sys'.


On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Eric S. Sande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, I got it.  You disabled AHCI when you set it up.  Switch off IDE
> emulation in the BIOS.  Try this.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976


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Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting

[Mike Sloane]

It should be understood that, in the electronics/electrical industry, 
the law is very clear: even if the only thing that happened to a device 
is that the package was opened or the tape ripped, it cannot be sold as 
"new". And that includes ALL of the contents of the device. So it goes 
back to a service depot of some kind and is checked out by a 
"technician" and then re-packaged and sold as "factory refurbished". And 
if, for instance, the case was damaged in transit but the guts are fine, 
those guts cannot be included in a "new" unit - at most, they have to be 
part of a "refurbished" piece. The reality is that failed components are 
never actually re-worked these days. If, for instance, the video board 
failed in a new computer, the board is discarded, a new board is 
installed, the unit is tested, and it is sold as "refurbished". So the 
customer is getting a product that is "new" for practical purposes but 
"refurbished" for legal purposes. I suspect that, in most cases, the 
manufacturer is happy to break even on a "refurbished" unit, but that is 
better than writing it off as a loss.


Of course, the above is a generalization, but it was true for 90% of the 
companies when I was a product manager in the industry.


Mike

Tom Piwowar wrote:

I had no idea you could still pay pretty close to new price for a
used/refurbished camera.  Yes, it does say "refurbished by NIKON
includes warranty" but I don't think that justifies the price.  


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Tony B]

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 12:06 AM, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2372&OSFullName=Windows*+XP+Professional&lang=eng&strOSs=44&submit=Go%21#DRV
> That doesn't contain the files you need?


Thanks for looking, but if so, they're well hidden. A search on the
page shows the words "floppy" and "ahci" not present. A manual search
shows nothing but some sort of RAID driver; not at all what I'm
looking for. But if I download the RAID driver it isn't a Windows file
at all, but rather a floppy image writer! I have no idea if this is
one of the 3 versions I've tried already, since none of them have
particularly useful file names. The floppy extractors don't even have
useful file dates on them, instead showing the date I downloaded them.

The chip does seem to be listed in the .inf file so maybe I'll try it.


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Rich Schinnell]

Tony, are you trying to install windowsXP from an original xp disk
pre service pack's?  I have installed windows xp on at least a dozen
SATA only motherboards without any drivers.  Also, I can't understand
why  your motherboard did not come with a cdrom. I don't think I have
ever bought a new motherboard without a cdrom coming along with it as
well as a new metal part for the case to allow the connections to
be properly positioned.

I looked at your specifications and your board has video, floppy and
ide as well as 6 SATA connections.

My bottom line is that you got taken by buying a mb without a cdrom
and you need to get a new version of XP with SP2 on it.

Rich


At 12:00 AM 6/7/2008, you wrote:

Date:Fri, 6 Jun 2008 21:47:40 -0400
From:Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: WinXP & SATA

[rant]

What a PITA. This Intel DQ965GF board, purchased 4/07, didn't come
with any floppy disk (or files) despite the fact WinXP is still the
most common OS. No problem, if their website responds to an obvious
"DQ965 floppy drivers" query, but of course it doesn't.

At the time I simply kicked the bios to emulate EIDE, then forgot
about it. But darnit, now I'd like very much to kick these drives to
AHCI (SATA) mode. But, a year later, I still can't find the right
files at Intel!

I think there should be a law. If you're going to sell a motherboard
with SATA, and if WinXP still doesn't support SATA without a floppy,
then dammit, pack a floppy with your board!

[/rant]

PS My existing Vista wouldn't change to new SATA drivers either,
throwing a 7B blue screen.



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