Re: [CGUYS] video compression
Yes Broadcast are compressing their digital signals but the cable/satellite people are recompressing that compressed digital signal a few times more to get the bandwidth down. Try comparing a cable/satellite signal on a digital tv to the same station on an outdoor antenna or simple rabbit ears. You get more artifacts on the second hand digital source. > Actually, you're thinking about the old analog days. Broadcast TV will > be compressing quite a bit in the digital era. > > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:13 PM, John Duncan Yoyo > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If you get a clear signal from a roof top antenna it certainly is the >> way to go. No compression artifacts from the cable and Satellite >> providers trying to scrunch more signal into the limitations of their >> bandwidth. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
I reverse commute. T1 is the best they can get out in the sticks without paying through the nose. We get spoiled in the close in DC suburbs. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have FIOS at home and a shared T1 at work. Talk about a let down. > > Why would anyone use T1 today? T1 is 1.5 Mbps. That was considered fast > 10 years ago, but is crappy even by US standards. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
Do you really want a system that drops out whenever it rains? I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. If you are saying that a copper network is subject to weather I'll agree. That's why we are replacing it. Its physics. If you are talking about wireless, well your call will eventually be carried on the PSTN. That's a fact. So what is the problem? If you have bad service on my network my people will fix it. I know that parts of the network are old and up for replacement. So what is your problem? You make one call and I'll send out a professional, no charge unless you managed to screw it up yourself, which I doubt you would do. I don't see this as an issue, Dr. Piwowar. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
You might be better off driving on private roads in some parts. To get from Panama City, FL. north you have to take an old 4 lane public access road that goes through every town with appropriately slow speeds. There has been talk of a publicly constructed 4 lane or more interstate connector highway but it has never gotten off the drawing board (funding issues etc. etc.) Florida is doing a lot of public private construction of roads and bridges and so that is now being explored. Except for opposition from land owners and NMBY folks and those small towns who say we will loose all our traffic it looks like it might get started and done in 5 years. Much faster than if you waited for the public folks to do it. It is both a good thing and a bad things as this will be a toll road and it will cost the public to use it until it is paid for. Stewart At 07:39 PM 6/29/2008, you wrote: >Lest I remind you that most of these enterprises are government >controlled and government funded enterprises. Do you refuse to drive on any roadway that was not privately built? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
Been there done that not interested. Stewart At 07:40 PM 6/29/2008, you wrote: >Wireless is fine but so far it is a sub-optimal technology in terms >of speed and reliability. Do you really want a system that drops out whenever it rains? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
> I have FIOS at home and a shared T1 at work. Talk about a let down. Why would anyone use T1 today? T1 is 1.5 Mbps. That was considered fast 10 years ago, but is crappy even by US standards. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
>Wireless is fine but so far it is a sub-optimal technology in terms >of speed and reliability. Do you really want a system that drops out whenever it rains? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
>Lest I remind you that most of these enterprises are government >controlled and government funded enterprises. Do you refuse to drive on any roadway that was not privately built? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
I am loath to expect the optical solution will stand the traffic demands over the short term. I can't understand why more has not gone into wireless as a longer term solution with less disruptive infrastructure demands albeit the view of a tower here&there which pales in comparison to the omnipresent telephone poles up and down every byway ... Wireless is fine but so far it is a sub-optimal technology in terms of speed and reliability. You have to know that in wired telecom reliability is the single driving force. We CAN'T fall below established regulatory standards in terms of service delivery. It has to work all the time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
I am loath to expect the optical solution will stand the traffic demands over the short term. I can't understand why more has not gone into wireless as a longer term solution with less disruptive infrastructure demands albeit the view of a tower here&there which pales in comparison to the omnipresent telephone poles up and down every byway ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Blackberry on OS X
Not so straightforward, but doable. I just set up my daughter's 8120 on her iBook this afternoon. RIM does provide Pocketmac for free. Very nice. Sadly,it doesn't sync correctly without updating the drivers.Update software on Pocketmac just dumps you to the mac page at RIM. It should check and say, "you need x". Download now? Worse,the correct driver is not found by clicking on the obvious, labeled driver link. Only the German, Japanese, French, and Spanish are there. The site search didn't help, but the crackberry forum provided an instant answer. The driver link is at the bottom, out of sight, of the page with the main Pocketmac download. RIM also neglected to say that you need to go to: system/libraries/extensions and remove by hand the two blackberry extensions before updating. Sometimes I think my daughter is taking advantage of her old dad to do her computer scut work, but this was really beyond her. She tried several times and gave up. Pocketmac is a very nice bit of software, but she would have thought it crap without me. David Newhall Falls Church Date:Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:25:35 -0400 From:Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Blackberry on OS X > >I have a user think about adding a OS X machine to his computers. > >Currently he uses WIndows XP on a desktop and is phasing out a Windows > >laptop. He usage is mostly basic: web surfing and email. The one one item > >which might be a yellow flag is his blackberry. Apple features the sync utility from PocketMac (www.pocketmac.net). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
Am I correct in assuming that many of these other countries have some kind of government support in developing a broadband system? Yeah, that's a point. I don't believe we ever got a dime out of the government outside of the Federal Cost Recovery Surcharge, which was actually pretty big money, check your phone bill. But that was meant to compensate local phone companies for the cost of doing business after the Bell monopoly was broken up and the local companies no longer got a slice of the AT&T long distance revenue. In terms of building out a next generation optical network we are pretty much on our own as far as financing is concerned. We are confident that our investment will pay off, in the long run. It is certainly true that European and Asian governments subsidize telecom to a greater extent than in the United States. We never expected to get any handouts and we are not looking for them. We look forward to becoming your broadband provider of choice, deploying state of the art network technology at a reasonable price to our customers, wherever they may be. So I think that's the end of the infomercial, I think I can call some marketing guys if you want more spin :-). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
Lest I remind you that most of these enterprises are government controlled and government funded enterprises. Yes there is a density of Antennas but that is the only way to get coverage. Most places here do not have service because no one will allow them to place an antenna for service. Wind Turbines? NMBY is the biggest problem, (Not in My Back Yard) Sen Kennedy tried to pass legislation or protest the placement of Turbines in MA as it would spoil his view. Most of Europe relies on Nuclear for their power. Again most of these are government controlled and government funded enterprises and no one tells the government no! Stewart At 04:37 PM 6/29/2008, you wrote: OK ...here goes!! I just got back from Belgium visiting the family for the first time since 2001. Already in 2001 when we were going along the highway from Brussels to the eastern city of Liege with the car radio turned off, the radio suddenly turned itself on and gave us a traffic accident update on the roadway ahead ...now THAT is useful. In 2001 the cellular service had some spots where signals were lacking; now in 2008 we went to every backwater village there is and my fone was always pegged at 5 bars; moreover, since I only have a RazrV3 and it doesn't have high speed net, I didn't use the net much, but I did get GPRS via the WAP browser reliably everywhere. When we arrived, our family needed only use "teletext" to look at the arrival times for flights at Brussels International Airport in Zaventem. Most people there had their cell phones (they call them GSMs or simply "G"). Coin phones are a thing of the past, but phones were seen on the street here&there which worked with debit cards. Much of the communication network is quite visible in the countryside, however. Cell towers are another blight on the gorgeous countryside together with "aeoliennes" (wind turbines) that are turning up there in great numbers (apparently the country with the most currently is Germany). And, of course, the nuclear electric generating reactor at Tihange dominates the horizon from many locales with the plumes created; the price we pay for energy hungry life!! Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
Take a look at this!! Doel, Belgium. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/DoelMolen.jpg/451px -DoelMolen.jpg * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] video compression
Actually, you're thinking about the old analog days. Broadcast TV will be compressing quite a bit in the digital era. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:13 PM, John Duncan Yoyo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you get a clear signal from a roof top antenna it certainly is the > way to go. No compression artifacts from the cable and Satellite > providers trying to scrunch more signal into the limitations of their > bandwidth. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
OK ...here goes!! I just got back from Belgium visiting the family for the first time since 2001. Already in 2001 when we were going along the highway from Brussels to the eastern city of Liege with the car radio turned off, the radio suddenly turned itself on and gave us a traffic accident update on the roadway ahead ...now THAT is useful. In 2001 the cellular service had some spots where signals were lacking; now in 2008 we went to every backwater village there is and my fone was always pegged at 5 bars; moreover, since I only have a RazrV3 and it doesn't have high speed net, I didn't use the net much, but I did get GPRS via the WAP browser reliably everywhere. When we arrived, our family needed only use "teletext" to look at the arrival times for flights at Brussels International Airport in Zaventem. Most people there had their cell phones (they call them GSMs or simply "G"). Coin phones are a thing of the past, but phones were seen on the street here&there which worked with debit cards. Much of the communication network is quite visible in the countryside, however. Cell towers are another blight on the gorgeous countryside together with "aeoliennes" (wind turbines) that are turning up there in great numbers (apparently the country with the most currently is Germany). And, of course, the nuclear electric generating reactor at Tihange dominates the horizon from many locales with the plumes created; the price we pay for energy hungry life!! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: Re: US is access loser 1.) If you are trying too bury it you are stupid. Of course you cant bury it in urban areas that does not make sense. Pole to pole is much faster and easier. (In some urban areas they set up underground conduits where it is much easier and much better to do underground.) 2.) Broadband access among rural folks still sucks. One of my members that lives not 2 miles from my house has to resort to satellite to get broadband access. Cable does not serve her house nor does DSL. Go out west where many folks have no access to broadband service except for satellite. Stewart At 01:40 PM 6/29/2008, you wrote: >This is such silly logic that it is hard to respond. > >Compare the difficulty of burying fiber in an urban area to doing the >same in a rural area. In the city they are lucky to bury a couple >hundred feet in a day. In rural areas the speed of the trencher is many >miles per day. The US failure has nothing to do with population >density. > >Taken another way. If your argument were true, why does broadband in US >urban areas still suck? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
> Europeans aren't dealing with the same scale issues I am. You must not be using a Piwowar projection map. The US is about the size of Rhode Island on a Mercator map and Luxemburg looks to be the size of China. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
1.) If you are trying too bury it you are stupid. Of course you cant bury it in urban areas that does not make sense. Pole to pole is much faster and easier. (In some urban areas they set up underground conduits where it is much easier and much better to do underground.) We can do it either buried or aerial optical or copper. It's a challenge but we prefer buried optical for reliability. It's not true that you can't trench in cities. At the height of the Internet boom in 2000 there were dozens of companies tearing up the streets of DC to lay fiber. That infrastructure is there. Much of it remains to be utilized. As far as rural areas yes that is a challenge. Aerial is often the only available solution. But aerial is a bitch to maintain because it is subject to weather. So if it costs me more to provide the service than I'm getting out of it in rate of return I am behind the regulatory eight ball in terms of being a public utility. I'll guarantee you voice services as mandated and I will build out as fast as I can to get my broadband up to the standards of Luxembourg. Europeans aren't dealing with the same scale issues I am. Happy surfing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
On Jun 29, 2008, at 3:22 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: I have FIOS at home and a shared T1 at work. Talk about a let down. which? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
My FIOS speed is around that of a T3 no problems there. The office T! gets bogged down pretty easily being shared by around 20 people.. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Eric S. Sande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have FIOS at home and a shared T1 at work. Talk about a let down. > > Which one aren't you happy with? > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies
The DLP's we looked at, the lamps were a couple hundred. Mike On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I have not heard great things about DLP. > > DLP has greatly reduced the cost of video projectors and I think that is > great. On the down side, lamp life is 6,000 hours and the replacement > cost is about half the cost of the unit. I know my CRT TVs have been > around longer than 6,000 hours. I have seen claims that LCD displays last > 60,000 hours. Big difference. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
I have FIOS at home and a shared T1 at work. Talk about a let down. Which one aren't you happy with? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
I have FIOS at home and a shared T1 at work. Talk about a let down. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Stephen Brownfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It may be true that most Americans are happy with what they have, > because they don't know of anything better (ignorance is bliss). People > were relatively happy with dial-up until they experienced broadband. But > most of us have limited options as far as broadband goes. > I have a choice of Verizon DSL or Hughes Net. While there is cable on > road, my house is too far back for the cable company to run the cable for > one house. Hughes Net cost at least $60 per month and I am assuming that you > can loose your connection in a storm. (It happens with my DirecTV > signal.) Thus, my only real choice is Verizon DSL. > Am I correct in assuming that many of these other countries have some > kind of government support in developing a broadband system? > > Steve Brownfield > > > > > Steve Rigby wrote: >> >> On Jun 29, 2008, at 10:51 AM, rlsimon wrote: >> >>> On NPR there was a story claiming the US was a winner initially in the >>> lineup of those nations affording access to broadband internet being >>> amongst >>> the top 4 while now we are 15th behing Luxembourg ...I know this for sure >>> having recently visited Belgium where just about everyone has it (even >>> cell >>> phone access is cheap and 5 bars even in the littlest backwater village >>> in >>> the mountains). Here in NJ, the most populous state in the nation, I >>> live >>> 45 minutes from Philadelphia and can only get Comcast cable (I'd rather >>> eat >>> dirt than deal with that bunch!!) with DSL & FIOS not even on the >>> planning >>> boards!! ...huh?? >> >> Most Americans are perfectly happy with whatever levels of communications >> services are currently available to them. Most Americans are not aware of >> what levels of service COULD be available to them. Most Americans who have >> cell phone or internet service are quite fat and happy with what they have. >> For the most part, they just do not know any better. My opinions only. >> >> Steve >> >> >> * >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >> * >> > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies
They used to have DLP in the gym I go to. About once every six months they would all post a notification that it was time to change the bulb. Since they all ran the same 24/7 all the messages would come up around the same time. Now they have plasma panels. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>I have not heard great things about DLP. > > DLP has greatly reduced the cost of video projectors and I think that is > great. On the down side, lamp life is 6,000 hours and the replacement > cost is about half the cost of the unit. I know my CRT TVs have been > around longer than 6,000 hours. I have seen claims that LCD displays last > 60,000 hours. Big difference. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies
If you get a clear signal from a roof top antenna it certainly is the way to go. No compression artifacts from the cable and Satellite providers trying to scrunch more signal into the limitations of their bandwidth. On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>My clear preference is for FIOS over comcast for internet. > > I'm having a rooftop antenna installed next week. Fie on modern > technology. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies
some dlp units require factory replacement of the bulb. others are a do it your self. the do it yourself cost is around $1-200. bulb life is frequently only 2-3000hrs. 1000 hrs is 6 weeks. you turn your tv on first thing in the morning and turn it off when go to bed, the bulb lasts less than 6 months. i listen to music choice on mine. the screen is on. Samsung offers a product with an led lamp. i do not see any specs on bulb lifetime, but it is significantly greater life than an incandescent. Cnet and others rate this samsung dlp led quite highly. At 12:16 PM 6/29/2008, you wrote: >>I have not heard great things about DLP. > >DLP has greatly reduced the cost of video projectors and I think that is >great. On the down side, lamp life is 6,000 hours and the replacement >cost is about half the cost of the unit. I know my CRT TVs have been >around longer than 6,000 hours. I have seen claims that LCD displays last >60,000 hours. Big difference. > > >* >** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >* * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
1.) If you are trying too bury it you are stupid. Of course you cant bury it in urban areas that does not make sense. Pole to pole is much faster and easier. (In some urban areas they set up underground conduits where it is much easier and much better to do underground.) 2.) Broadband access among rural folks still sucks. One of my members that lives not 2 miles from my house has to resort to satellite to get broadband access. Cable does not serve her house nor does DSL. Go out west where many folks have no access to broadband service except for satellite. Stewart At 01:40 PM 6/29/2008, you wrote: This is such silly logic that it is hard to respond. Compare the difficulty of burying fiber in an urban area to doing the same in a rural area. In the city they are lucky to bury a couple hundred feet in a day. In rural areas the speed of the trencher is many miles per day. The US failure has nothing to do with population density. Taken another way. If your argument were true, why does broadband in US urban areas still suck? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
It may be true that most Americans are happy with what they have, because they don't know of anything better (ignorance is bliss). People were relatively happy with dial-up until they experienced broadband. But most of us have limited options as far as broadband goes. I have a choice of Verizon DSL or Hughes Net. While there is cable on road, my house is too far back for the cable company to run the cable for one house. Hughes Net cost at least $60 per month and I am assuming that you can loose your connection in a storm. (It happens with my DirecTV signal.) Thus, my only real choice is Verizon DSL. Am I correct in assuming that many of these other countries have some kind of government support in developing a broadband system? Steve Brownfield Steve Rigby wrote: On Jun 29, 2008, at 10:51 AM, rlsimon wrote: On NPR there was a story claiming the US was a winner initially in the lineup of those nations affording access to broadband internet being amongst the top 4 while now we are 15th behing Luxembourg ...I know this for sure having recently visited Belgium where just about everyone has it (even cell phone access is cheap and 5 bars even in the littlest backwater village in the mountains). Here in NJ, the most populous state in the nation, I live 45 minutes from Philadelphia and can only get Comcast cable (I'd rather eat dirt than deal with that bunch!!) with DSL & FIOS not even on the planning boards!! ...huh?? Most Americans are perfectly happy with whatever levels of communications services are currently available to them. Most Americans are not aware of what levels of service COULD be available to them. Most Americans who have cell phone or internet service are quite fat and happy with what they have. For the most part, they just do not know any better. My opinions only. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
>Put another way, the US has to wire up 3,798 Luxembourgs. :) This is such silly logic that it is hard to respond. Compare the difficulty of burying fiber in an urban area to doing the same in a rural area. In the city they are lucky to bury a couple hundred feet in a day. In rural areas the speed of the trencher is many miles per day. The US failure has nothing to do with population density. Taken another way. If your argument were true, why does broadband in US urban areas still suck? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
There is another stark difference in that we are much farther apart than any of those European countries. Put in population density and see this difference. Luxembourg 481/sq.mi. Belgium 892/sq.mi. USA 80/sq.mi. Years ago the rural phone customers used to be subsidized by metropolitan phone customers. Because the density was so much less and cable runs were so much farther. Stewart At 12:51 PM 6/29/2008, you wrote: While it is certainly true that communications in the US leave MUCH to be desired, and that certain greedy companies are treating customers like dirt, there are certain facts that must be considered. I have prepared the informative table below. :) Country Area (sq. mi.) --- Luxembourg 999 Belgium 11,787 USA 3,794,083 Put another way, the US has to wire up 3,798 Luxembourgs. :) Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
> On NPR there was a story claiming the US was a winner initially in the > lineup of those nations affording access to broadband internet being > amongst the top 4 while now we are 15th behing Luxembourg ...I know > this for sure having recently visited Belgium where ... While it is certainly true that communications in the US leave MUCH to be desired, and that certain greedy companies are treating customers like dirt, there are certain facts that must be considered. I have prepared the informative table below. :) Country Area (sq. mi.) --- Luxembourg 999 Belgium 11,787 USA 3,794,083 Put another way, the US has to wire up 3,798 Luxembourgs. :) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
On Jun 29, 2008, at 10:51 AM, rlsimon wrote: On NPR there was a story claiming the US was a winner initially in the lineup of those nations affording access to broadband internet being amongst the top 4 while now we are 15th behing Luxembourg ...I know this for sure having recently visited Belgium where just about everyone has it (even cell phone access is cheap and 5 bars even in the littlest backwater village in the mountains). Here in NJ, the most populous state in the nation, I live 45 minutes from Philadelphia and can only get Comcast cable (I'd rather eat dirt than deal with that bunch!!) with DSL & FIOS not even on the planning boards!! ...huh?? Most Americans are perfectly happy with whatever levels of communications services are currently available to them. Most Americans are not aware of what levels of service COULD be available to them. Most Americans who have cell phone or internet service are quite fat and happy with what they have. For the most part, they just do not know any better. My opinions only. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Blackberry on OS X
>I have a user think about adding a OS X machine to his computers. >Currently he uses WIndows XP on a desktop and is phasing out a Windows >laptop. He usage is mostly basic: web surfing and email. The one one item >which might be a yellow flag is his blackberry. Apple features the sync utility from PocketMac (www.pocketmac.net). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies
>I have not heard great things about DLP. DLP has greatly reduced the cost of video projectors and I think that is great. On the down side, lamp life is 6,000 hours and the replacement cost is about half the cost of the unit. I know my CRT TVs have been around longer than 6,000 hours. I have seen claims that LCD displays last 60,000 hours. Big difference. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Most recent memory dump
>We're sorry. There is no additional information about this issue in >the Error and Event Log Messages or Knowledge Base databases at this time. >You can use the links in the Support area to determine whether any >additional information might be available elsewhere I have never seen this buttion yielding any information. I think it was put there by Microsoft's Customer Abuse department. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser
Precisely. The Internet was created using public tax dollars and then given away by corrupt politicians to greedy corporations. The public has been on the short end of battle after battle. What you are seeing in the US is the result of media consolidation and the giving away and selling of our public infrastructure to the highest bidder. The final battle is the one over network neutrality. Now that these greedy corporations have seized control of 94% of US broadband their next steps are to meter your access, jack up prices, and make it difficult for you to reach services that are not run by their buiness partners. Reregulation and forceful management of the public trust is the only solution. Sending a few crooks to jail would be nice too. >On NPR there was a story claiming the US was a winner initially in the >lineup of those nations affording access to broadband internet being amongst >the top 4 while now we are 15th behing Luxembourg ...I know this for sure >having recently visited Belgium where just about everyone has it (even cell >phone access is cheap and 5 bars even in the littlest backwater village in >the mountains). Here in NJ, the most populous state in the nation, I live >45 minutes from Philadelphia and can only get Comcast cable (I'd rather eat >dirt than deal with that bunch!!) with DSL & FIOS not even on the planning >boards!! ...huh?? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies
>Not necessarily a bad idea but you are going to get slow >ping speeds to a geosynchronous satellite. It's that pesky >speed of light issue that we've discussed before. Not for broadband, just for digital TV. My $20/mo Internet connection is just fine for that, but I think it would be silly to use broadband for video. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] US is access loser
On NPR there was a story claiming the US was a winner initially in the lineup of those nations affording access to broadband internet being amongst the top 4 while now we are 15th behing Luxembourg ...I know this for sure having recently visited Belgium where just about everyone has it (even cell phone access is cheap and 5 bars even in the littlest backwater village in the mountains). Here in NJ, the most populous state in the nation, I live 45 minutes from Philadelphia and can only get Comcast cable (I'd rather eat dirt than deal with that bunch!!) with DSL & FIOS not even on the planning boards!! ...huh?? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
