Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
On Nov 23, 2009, at 3:03 AM, db wrote: Registrant: Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy is owned by GoDaddy, Inc. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
On Nov 22, 2009, at 10:06 PM, Marcio wrote: Google say is GoDaddy, Goddy said to mr to write to Google. No answer... I am learning...What should I do to keep the blogg? Change your registrar to one you know and gives you good service. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
On Nov 23, 2009, at 7:31 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: Tom, you are so urban, it is obvious you know little about rural living. How did this lovely topic mutate into this? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
I guess I don't quite understand why the employment situation of illegal aliens in the construction and food processing industry reflects NEGATIVELY on the moral character and industriousness of U.S. computer workers. I just don't see how the current situation proves that we have bred laziness and inefficiency into computer programmers and knowledge workers and that they think they do not have to work to earn a living. I thought that the original point was that computer workers were, basically, asked to work on hardship schedules without extra pay, and under constant threat of being downsized or outsourced. These people are computer professionals who have put in quite a lot of effort to get trained for what they do, usually at their own expense. Instead, they're being ripped off to pile up surplus value in the bank accounts of their corporate employers. Why shouldn't they be distressed about their employment situation? If the best practices standard is to employ computer professionals under the same personnel practices as illegal aliens in a slaughterhouse--and then tell them my way or the highway--then we're in more trouble than we thought. (This has echoes of labor practices in the U.S. in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, too; remember If you don't come in on Sunday, don't come in on Monday?) It bothers me when I see corporations using HR practices that make them look a lot like turn-of-the-century coal barons. (You can look that up if you like--I'm sure Wikipedia has something on them.) --Constance Warner On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I cannot speak to the construction industry but can tell you about the food processing industry. When I worked for a major animal processing plant they had a 100% turn around of personnel every year. Of that number the immigrants were the ones who stayed while the Anglos and African Americans were the ones who rotated out with regularity. I trained with line workers (I was an industrial chaplain) and a number of folks dropped out when they toured the facility and then dropped while working on the lines. Regularly when overtime was offered the Hispanics offered to work it. When the line would shut down early the Hispanics asked for extra work to get more hours. Part of the problem is that we have bread laziness and inefficiency into our folks letting them think that they do not have to work to earn a living. One of my members works for a contractor and is represented by a union. He said one of the problems with is union is that it uses LCD to make the standards. Lowest Common Denominator. Now understand I do not endorse moving work off shore and overseas to make the bottom line. Where I live most (or should I say all) the mils and fabric processing lines have closed and the companies have shuttered many many factories. But we also are the culprits, we want everything at the lowest price possible. We are willing to spend the least to get what we want. The top brands of cars bought on the clunkers rebates were mostly foreign. Now everyone has touted the reliability and quality of foreign automobiles. However recent surveys have found that a number of US manufacturers rate very high. So often it is a perceived problem not a real one. So before we start making snide comments let us make sure we are not also part of the problem. Stewart At 04:20 PM 11/26/2009, you wrote: Of course the won't show up excuse is dishonest nonsense. These dishonest employers want to employ the Mexicans because they can pay them substandard wages, give them little or no benefits, and demand that they put in extra time off the clock. Sometimes they don't even pay the wages that are owed. To keep this on topic: a few years ago M$ was sued over their labor practices, not as bad as those in the construction industry, but plenty despicable. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
You started bashing rural living. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:59 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 23, 2009, at 7:31 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: Tom, you are so urban, it is obvious you know little about rural living. How did this lovely topic mutate into this? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
Constance I was talking about the comment on Hispanic workers. If people are not willing to work then they are lazy. If they are not willing to stay gainfully employed they are lazy. I think way too much emphasis is placed on workers freedom and not enough on work. The working conditions in America are far better than many places in the world. No one is living in a Gulag here in America. If you would like to experience a Gulag I can arrange passage for you to Siberia. Far too often over exaggerated comparisons are made and we pick up on them. Do I make as much as I would like? Heavens no, but I make better than others. Work for anyone but yourself and you value is what is set by your employer and you are expected to make money for your employer or you no longer have a job. Want to set your own hours, and make money only for yourself? Become self employed. Tom jump in here and tell me if you do not expect your employees to make money and value for your firm. Are corporate rules and experiences in this country totally ethical? No as I said earlier, capitalism has become another ism with all the trappings of a religion. Until we separate out capitalism from corporate responsibility it will not change, but that will take a whole new paradigm. Stewart At 10:42 AM 11/27/2009, you wrote: I guess I don't quite understand why the employment situation of illegal aliens in the construction and food processing industry reflects NEGATIVELY on the moral character and industriousness of U.S. computer workers. I just don't see how the current situation proves that we have bred laziness and inefficiency into computer programmers and knowledge workers and that they think they do not have to work to earn a living. I thought that the original point was that computer workers were, basically, asked to work on hardship schedules without extra pay, and under constant threat of being downsized or outsourced. These people are computer professionals who have put in quite a lot of effort to get trained for what they do, usually at their own expense. Instead, they're being ripped off to pile up surplus value in the bank accounts of their corporate employers. Why shouldn't they be distressed about their employment situation? If the best practices standard is to employ computer professionals under the same personnel practices as illegal aliens in a slaughterhouse--and then tell them my way or the highway--then we're in more trouble than we thought. (This has echoes of labor practices in the U.S. in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, too; remember If you don't come in on Sunday, don't come in on Monday?) It bothers me when I see corporations using HR practices that make them look a lot like turn-of-the-century coal barons. (You can look that up if you like--I'm sure Wikipedia has something on them.) --Constance Warner On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I cannot speak to the construction industry but can tell you about the food processing industry. When I worked for a major animal processing plant they had a 100% turn around of personnel every year. Of that number the immigrants were the ones who stayed while the Anglos and African Americans were the ones who rotated out with regularity. I trained with line workers (I was an industrial chaplain) and a number of folks dropped out when they toured the facility and then dropped while working on the lines. Regularly when overtime was offered the Hispanics offered to work it. When the line would shut down early the Hispanics asked for extra work to get more hours. Part of the problem is that we have bread laziness and inefficiency into our folks letting them think that they do not have to work to earn a living. One of my members works for a contractor and is represented by a union. He said one of the problems with is union is that it uses LCD to make the standards. Lowest Common Denominator. Now understand I do not endorse moving work off shore and overseas to make the bottom line. Where I live most (or should I say all) the mils and fabric processing lines have closed and the companies have shuttered many many factories. But we also are the culprits, we want everything at the lowest price possible. We are willing to spend the least to get what we want. The top brands of cars bought on the clunkers rebates were mostly foreign. Now everyone has touted the reliability and quality of foreign automobiles. However recent surveys have found that a number of US manufacturers rate very high. So often it is a perceived problem not a real one. So before we start making snide comments let us make sure we are not also part of the problem. Stewart At 04:20 PM 11/26/2009, you wrote: Of course the won't show up excuse is dishonest nonsense. These dishonest employers want to employ the Mexicans because they can pay them substandard wages, give them little or no benefits, and demand that they put in
[CGUYS] A couple Mac questions.
Well, one not specifically a Mac question. In OSX.4, you can take the clock off the menu bar, and put it on the desktop, a la a Windows widget (gadget?). In OSX.5, I can't find a way to do that. Can it still be done? and if so, how? How about in X.6 (have the disk, and will update some time)? My iBook (the one with X.4) has a whopping 128MB of PC-133 memory. I have a few sticks of 512MB PC2-4200 lying around doing nothing, and was wondering if I can toss one of the into it. I know I've got a slot, and I know that I won't get the benefit of the faster speed, but will it work in there? Thanks -- R:\katan - SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A couple Mac questions.
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:06 PM, katan ka...@his.com wrote: My iBook (the one with X.4) has a whopping 128MB of PC-133 memory. I have a few sticks of 512MB PC2-4200 lying around doing nothing, and was wondering if I can toss one of the into it. I know I've got a slot, and I know that I won't get the benefit of the faster speed, but will it work in there? Take a look at EveryMac.com. Find your computer listed there and see what memory type(s) is will accept. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Gulag?
Now let me get this straight. You are saying that employers should screw as much work out of their employees as they possibly can, regardless of labor laws, custom, the health of their workers, human decency, and the employers' long-term best interests and enlightened self-interest? And if the employees don't roll over and play dead, and put up with any crap the employers want to dish out, they're lazy bums who think the world owes them a living? That's a recipe for the kind of in-effect slavery similar in kind, if not in degree, to what we used to see in coal country. (Remember I owe my soul to the company store? That's based on real life conditions. I grew up in West Virginia, and we remember those things.) It's also a recipe for labor unrest and class warfare. In W. Va., for example, aggrieved workers made quite a lot of use of dynamite--pretty destructive, but very small potatoes to the damage an aggrieved computer programmer can do, depending on where he is placed and how angry he gets. And as for the Gulag--when I was a kid, I wanted to be a Kremlinologist. I know a lot more about that system than the average person today. I don't think we need to have a situation be 100% as bad as the original Gulag archipelago before we deplore it and do something about it. --Constance On Nov 27, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote: Constance I was talking about the comment on Hispanic workers. If people are not willing to work then they are lazy. If they are not willing to stay gainfully employed they are lazy. I think way too much emphasis is placed on workers freedom and not enough on work. The working conditions in America are far better than many places in the world. No one is living in a Gulag here in America. If you would like to experience a Gulag I can arrange passage for you to Siberia. Far too often over exaggerated comparisons are made and we pick up on them. Do I make as much as I would like? Heavens no, but I make better than others. Work for anyone but yourself and you value is what is set by your employer and you are expected to make money for your employer or you no longer have a job. Want to set your own hours, and make money only for yourself? Become self employed. Tom jump in here and tell me if you do not expect your employees to make money and value for your firm. Are corporate rules and experiences in this country totally ethical? No as I said earlier, capitalism has become another ism with all the trappings of a religion. Until we separate out capitalism from corporate responsibility it will not change, but that will take a whole new paradigm. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
I don't know where you got that, but you cannot have a business unless you are making a profit. There is a difference between making a profit ethically and making a profit unethically. I think that is the real difference. Unless you feel businesses should not make a profit? I happen to be in a business that deals with ethics and morality, and I can tell you they are not much better than anyone else in that area. But I go back to my original question. Do you feel that a business has a right/better yet has a need to make a profit? Stewart At 12:21 PM 11/27/2009, you wrote: Now let me get this straight. You are saying that employers should screw as much work out of their employees as they possibly can, regardless of labor laws, custom, the health of their workers, human decency, and the employers' long-term best interests and enlightened self-interest? And if the employees don't roll over and play dead, and put up with any crap the employers want to dish out, they're lazy bums who think the world owes them a living? That's a recipe for the kind of in-effect slavery similar in kind, if not in degree, to what we used to see in coal country. (Remember I owe my soul to the company store? That's based on real life conditions. I grew up in West Virginia, and we remember those things.) It's also a recipe for labor unrest and class warfare. In W. Va., for example, aggrieved workers made quite a lot of use of dynamite--pretty destructive, but very small potatoes to the damage an aggrieved computer programmer can do, depending on where he is placed and how angry he gets. And as for the Gulag--when I was a kid, I wanted to be a Kremlinologist. I know a lot more about that system than the average person today. I don't think we need to have a situation be 100% as bad as the original Gulag archipelago before we deplore it and do something about it. --Constance Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
On Nov 27, 2009, at 11:59 AM, mike wrote: You started bashing rural living. Not true. I blame the hyper-sensitive hicks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A couple Mac questions.
On Nov 27, 2009, at 12:06 PM, katan wrote: In OSX.4, you can take the clock off the menu bar, and put it on the desktop, a la a Windows widget (gadget?). In OSX.5, I can't find a way to do that. I do not recall that X.4 feature. Could it be that you are remembering that you could move a clock widget off the Dashboard to the Desktop. This still works in X.5. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dreamweaver (was: Dead desktop computer -- what is likely the matter?)
On Nov 26, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Stephen Brownfield wrote: How hard is it to learn and use Dreamweaver? I currently use Contribute to manage a web site, but at time find it a little lacking. I have never really worked with HTML. This would be easier to answer if you gave me a clue about the things you find lacking. Contribute is less restrictive than many CMSs, but is still very restrictive. There are many directions to go. Dreamweaver is a great program. However, Dreamweaver is a big program. It leaves you swimming in options and doesn't provide a good way to manage its own complexity. Most people only use a fraction of Dreamweaver's features because the other features are there for people with different needs, but all the features are there in front of you all the time. You also have to bring to it a good knowledge of web technology as Dreamweaver will assist your editing code, but you have to know what you are editing. This can make Dreamweaver hard to learn. If Contribute is just a little lacking you might try a little enhancement first. Get a stand-alone HTML/CSS editing program (some of these are free) and tell Contribute that it is your code editor. Then whenever you think you need a little more capability you can have Contribute open the page using that editor. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dreamweaver (was: Dead desktop computer -- what is likely the matter?)
On Nov 26, 2009, at 11:41 PM, Tony B wrote: Tom seems to want to disparage CMS's uniformity, but that's why people like them so much. CMS is for workers in the Gulag. A CMS workflow is not that much different than the workflow in a chicken processing plant. Workers spend all day long filling in the blanks on a form. All day long, every single day it is the same damn form and it produces pages that all look the same. If the CMS demands that you supply it with a horizontal photo and all you have is a great vertical, the CMS will make a hash of your page and you'll catch flack for not following directions (true story). Only overseers and WFBs who have drunk the coolaid like CMSs. People who have to use a typical CMS say get me out of here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
I sit corrected from my big city chair. You obviously have nothing but love for your rural brothers. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:05 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 27, 2009, at 11:59 AM, mike wrote: You started bashing rural living. Not true. I blame the hyper-sensitive hicks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dreamweaver (was: Dead desktop computer -- what is likely the matter?)
On Nov 26, 2009, at 11:41 PM, Tony B wrote: Trying to program that much CSS by hand is a daunting task not for the squeamish. CSS is not particularly difficult and a lot of fun to work with. There is a lot of opportunity for personal creativity. At the end of the day you will probably want to show off to others what you accomplished. Gulag overseers and WFBs will frown on anything that can produce so much joy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A couple Mac questions.
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com: On Nov 27, 2009, at 12:06 PM, katan wrote: In OSX.4, you can take the clock off the menu bar, and put it on the desktop, a la a Windows widget (gadget?). In OSX.5, I can't find a way to do that. I do not recall that X.4 feature. IIRC (I'm not at the iBook right now), that option is in the time/date preference panel. There's a check-box to put the clock on the desktop. You can then change it's opacity. Could it be that you are remembering that you could move a clock widget off the Dashboard to the Desktop. This still works in X.5. I'll try that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Tony B wrote: Looks interesting, but I'm still leery of touchpads in general. Anyway, since there's no version available for Windows yet, it's useless on most systems. And a wall of patents will assure that there never will be! Ho ho ho! I'm not sure what you mean about 'growing' gestures. All the ones I've seen are gestures that have been used for ages. Either by moving the whole mouse, or just the scroll wheel. Two finger drags, three finger drags, probably four fingers some day. Different gestures. I'm told the iPad will bring an explosion of new gestures. Won't work with Vista or W7. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
I use two finger drags all the time. Three rarely. But with my mouse I have a nice tactile click to tell me I've pressed a key. People like tactile feedback in their tools. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 2:35 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Tony B wrote: Looks interesting, but I'm still leery of touchpads in general. Anyway, since there's no version available for Windows yet, it's useless on most systems. And a wall of patents will assure that there never will be! Ho ho ho! I'm not sure what you mean about 'growing' gestures. All the ones I've seen are gestures that have been used for ages. Either by moving the whole mouse, or just the scroll wheel. Two finger drags, three finger drags, probably four fingers some day. Different gestures. I'm told the iPad will bring an explosion of new gestures. Won't work with Vista or W7. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
If people are not willing to work then they are lazy. If they are not willing to stay gainfully employed they are lazy...Work for anyone but yourself and your value is what is set by your employer and you are expected to make money for your employer or you no longer have a job...Part of the problem is that we have bread laziness and inefficiency into our folks letting them think that they do not have to work to earn a living. Sounds like part of the message here is that you ought to put up with whatever your employer wants to dish out, and if not you're a lazy bum. The employer rules, and anything else is irrelevant. Of course businesses have the right to try to make a profit. But there are some things that are, or should be, off limits. And there are other things that are best avoided because of long-term consequences that won't benefit anyone. (I'm sure everyone can think of examples.) --Constance Warner On Nov 27, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I don't know where you got that, but you cannot have a business unless you are making a profit. There is a difference between making a profit ethically and making a profit unethically. I think that is the real difference. Unless you feel businesses should not make a profit? I happen to be in a business that deals with ethics and morality, and I can tell you they are not much better than anyone else in that area. But I go back to my original question. Do you feel that a business has a right/better yet has a need to make a profit? Stewart At 12:21 PM 11/27/2009, you wrote: Now let me get this straight. You are saying that employers should screw as much work out of their employees as they possibly can, regardless of labor laws, custom, the health of their workers, human decency, and the employers' long-term best interests and enlightened self-interest? And if the employees don't roll over and play dead, and put up with any crap the employers want to dish out, they're lazy bums who think the world owes them a living? That's a recipe for the kind of in-effect slavery similar in kind, if not in degree, to what we used to see in coal country. (Remember I owe my soul to the company store? That's based on real life conditions. I grew up in West Virginia, and we remember those things.) It's also a recipe for labor unrest and class warfare. In W. Va., for example, aggrieved workers made quite a lot of use of dynamite--pretty destructive, but very small potatoes to the damage an aggrieved computer programmer can do, depending on where he is placed and how angry he gets. And as for the Gulag--when I was a kid, I wanted to be a Kremlinologist. I know a lot more about that system than the average person today. I don't think we need to have a situation be 100% as bad as the original Gulag archipelago before we deplore it and do something about it. --Constance * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A couple Mac questions.
On Nov 27, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Reid Katan wrote: that option is in the time/date preference panel I see it. Dragging a Widget to the desktop will do something very similar. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
Some people. I turn it off. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: I use two finger drags all the time. Three rarely. But with my mouse I have a nice tactile click to tell me I've pressed a key. People like tactile feedback in their tools. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 2:35 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Tony B wrote: Looks interesting, but I'm still leery of touchpads in general. Anyway, since there's no version available for Windows yet, it's useless on most systems. And a wall of patents will assure that there never will be! Ho ho ho! I'm not sure what you mean about 'growing' gestures. All the ones I've seen are gestures that have been used for ages. Either by moving the whole mouse, or just the scroll wheel. Two finger drags, three finger drags, probably four fingers some day. Different gestures. I'm told the iPad will bring an explosion of new gestures. Won't work with Vista or W7. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: One of my members works for a contractor and is represented by a union. He said one of the problems with is union is that it uses LCD to make the standards. Lowest Common Denominator. This is just more Fox News style propaganda. Unions typically have apprenticeship programs to teach people trades and test worker's skills before they become journeymen. Non-union contractors use day laborers that they pick up each morning at the 7-11. Day laborers will claim expertise in whatever job the contractor is looking for. This is why new construction is so often plagued by crooked walls and cracking foundations. Sidewalks are lumpy and not sloped to drain to the curb. Etc. Etc. Anyone with eyes can see this is neocon fantasyland propaganda. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
So the union member is just lying? Typical Tom Tactic. Just keep fearing your imaginary neomicrosofticons. PSST...if you hadn't noticed, the progressives are in charge cowboy... On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:14 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: One of my members works for a contractor and is represented by a union. He said one of the problems with is union is that it uses LCD to make the standards. Lowest Common Denominator. This is just more Fox News style propaganda. Unions typically have apprenticeship programs to teach people trades and test worker's skills before they become journeymen. Non-union contractors use day laborers that they pick up each morning at the 7-11. Day laborers will claim expertise in whatever job the contractor is looking for. This is why new construction is so often plagued by crooked walls and cracking foundations. Sidewalks are lumpy and not sloped to drain to the curb. Etc. Etc. Anyone with eyes can see this is neocon fantasyland propaganda. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
On Nov 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Constance Warner wrote: I thought that the original point was that computer workers were, basically, asked to work on hardship schedules without extra pay, and under constant threat of being downsized or outsourced. These people are computer professionals who have put in quite a lot of effort to get trained for what they do, usually at their own expense. Instead, they're being ripped off to pile up surplus value in the bank accounts of their corporate employers. This is what happens when spreadsheet jockeys get control of the corporation. They don't understand the product and they don't understand what is required to survive past the current quarter. All they know is that firing 10,000 employees next week will get then a $1,000,000 bonus. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
On Nov 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Constance Warner wrote: It bothers me when I see corporations using HR practices that make them look a lot like turn-of-the-century coal barons. (You can look that up if you like--I'm sure Wikipedia has something on them.) Where are the Molly McGuires when we need them? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c6/Molly_coffinnotice.gif * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] A Tale of Two Hard Drives: Apple’s Secret Wea pon?
http://theappleblog.com/2009/11/24/a-tale-of-two-hard-drives-apples-secret-weapon/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAppleBlog+%28TheAppleBlog%29 The phrase “Penny wise and Pound foolish” comes to mind. Did the first client end up saving money because she bought a PC? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
I do not disagree with anything you have written. Personally, I think that a prime reason that high-tech computing professionals, as they see themselves, shun the thought of organizing for their own betterment is because they tend to associate such organization of workers as being blue collar in nature. This relates to issues of pride as you have pointed out. Organizing of workforces, and unions in general, has been cast as something that the lower castes involve themselves in. It has become a class issue as a result of hype associated with efforts to undo such attempts on the part of workers to achieve more for themselves. Doctors, nurses and teachers have powerful professional associations. They're highly educated professionals. High-tech computing professionals need to look away from their computer monitors and take a look around at what other professionals are doing. The companies whose work they do are not considering the best interests of the employees and especially the contractors. Computing professionals have to understand that organizing is the best thing for their own selfish interests as well as the conditions of the profession as a whole. Or they can seethe alone, listening to Faux News as they work [overtime, on salary, without extra pay]. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
On Nov 27, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote: Tom jump in here and tell me if you do not expect your employees to make money and value for your firm. I expect it to be a two way street, a symmetric relationship. Neither employee nor employes should be acting in an abusive manner. I just can't abide ruthless thugs and do-nothings who got their positions due to birth or social connections who abuse the hard- working employees who are the source of their wealth. I understand that many in the rectitude business feel they have to pander to the wealthy to get those all important contributions. I'm appalled to watch those kissing Bill Gate's ass instead of demanding he account for how he got all that money. Or the Catholic bishops lining up to oppose health care reform. What would Jesus do? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
Okay, I resisted this discussion until this email of yours, Stewart. Yes, business has a right to make a profit. But, does it have a right to maximize its profits by maximizing the exploitation of its workers? If the answer to that is yes, then I'd say you have no business of being in the business of ethics and morality. Whatever happened to being humane? Whatever happened to allowing one's workers some balance in their lives so that they spend some time with their families? Have we become so obsessed with profit that we have lost track of why we work: so that we may live? And not the other way around: live so that we may work. Most human beings will work as much as is needed to survive. But isn't one of the objectives of a great country the happiness of its people? Anybody who has hired someone for a standard job (~40 hours/week) but is asking that person, whether directly or indirectly via the work environment, to work 1.5 or double the time as a day-to-day thing (not for short-term peaks) should really have hired 1.5 or 2 people. A $30/hour programmer here is working at $15/hour if he works twice as many hours (and many do). If that business cannot make a profit except by asking each employees to work like two, then that is either a badly-run business or one that should cease to exist. Yes, that might create some additional unemployment, but perhaps we will learn to live with fewer profits and run our businesses better. Too many businesses are run with a focus on attaining a certain profit. Which is why we have the media reporting businesses as being in trouble just because profits fell. Gosh, people, there were profits, not just as much. The business didn't make a loss. So why all the moaning about the business being in trouble? In a down economy, a lower profit, but still a profit, should be good news. It's the kind of thinking that resulted in Gourmet magazine being shut down. We will never defeat China, for example, in profit-making by adopting its labor practices. But, here is the real question: what profiteth a man if he were to become rich on the backs of his brothers? Just as our liberties and values better the lot of others by being shared with humans around the world, similarly our business practices should be looked upon as being better for humanity than the practices of other countries. On a personal level, my father owned and operated an auto dealership and workshop business in India for 50 years. No labor unions in his workshop (too small). However, his workers had a standard 9-6 working day, 5.5 days a week (those were the standard work hours in India at the time: equivalent to 44 hours/week). He had a pension scheme for them; small, but better than the nothing that practically all other such workers had. There was no health insurance, but he paid for expenses that were not already provided free in government hospitals, mainly medicines and operations. When a labor union tried to organize the workers and get them to strike (a popular way to make the employer come to the bargaining table), his workers came and told him about it and refused to strike. When the business had a major loss one year, the workers voluntarily gave up one month's salary and presented that as a solution to my father, without his asking it of them. Of course, they knew that if the business failed they'd be out of a job, but his competitors had labor strikes practically every year and bad worker morale. Guess where my dad learned these business practices? He attended an executive MBA program (although they weren't called those back then) in the US in the 40s. The program was fully funded by GM and took only 40 people each year. Now in his 90s, my dad still thinks that the US taught him how to treat people well and make a profit. However, his profit was less than half of that which others in the same type of business could make. My dad wasn't some kind of business saint, but just practiced what he'd been taught, and felt that we each have an ethical and moral duty to other human beings. When I started working in my current job, I felt that long weeks were expected of me. So, I often put in 60-hour weeks. After some years of this, I came to my senses. I deliberately tried to work toward 40-45 hour weeks. Guess what? My productivity went up, and I actually could do more work in less time. Granted, I don't make widgets on a production line: my job is that of a university faculty member (although my work is research and I help operate a lab that raises its own money and operates like a non-profit business) and requires much thinking things through, same as programmers require. Of late, India has adopted the current business practices of the US. Believe it or not, their programmers work long hours, too, except at a fraction of the salary here. So, yes, they've managed to put many of our programmers out of work. But, guess which business is
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com: On Nov 27, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Constance Warner wrote: [. . .] expense. Instead, they're being ripped off to pile up surplus value in the bank accounts of their corporate employers. This is what happens when spreadsheet jockeys get control of the corporation. They don't understand the product and they don't understand what is required to survive past the current quarter. All they know is that firing 10,000 employees next week will get then a $1,000,000 bonus. Just ask Circuit City. . .oh wait. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A couple Mac questions.
Quoting phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:06 PM, katan ka...@his.com wrote: My iBook (the one with X.4) has a whopping 128MB of PC-133 memory. I have a few sticks of 512MB PC2-4200 lying around doing nothing, and was wondering if I can toss one of the into it. I know I've got a slot, and Take a look at EveryMac.com. Find your computer listed there and see what memory type(s) is will accept. It doesn't say that I can add PC2 memory to it, but I guess what I'm wondering is, will I hurt anything by trying it (assuming it'll physically go [right size, notch in the right place, yadda yadda])? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
I also stated that business should be run in as ethically as possible. Do you consider that ethical? But we have also caused some of this behavior as we demand the lowest priced product available. Plus I think Wall Street is also responsible as they demand that a business publicly held show a profit. Stewart At 03:36 PM 11/27/2009, you wrote: Okay, I resisted this discussion until this email of yours, Stewart. Yes, business has a right to make a profit. But, does it have a right to maximize its profits by maximizing the exploitation of its workers? If the answer to that is yes, then I'd say you have no business of being in the business of ethics and morality. Whatever happened to being humane? Whatever happened to allowing one's workers some balance in their lives so that they spend some time with their families? Have we become so obsessed with profit that we have lost track of why we work: so that we may live? And not the other way around: live so that we may work. Most human beings will work as much as is needed to survive. But isn't one of the objectives of a great country the happiness of its people? Anybody who has hired someone for a standard job (~40 hours/week) but is asking that person, whether directly or indirectly via the work environment, to work 1.5 or double the time as a day-to-day thing (not for short-term peaks) should really have hired 1.5 or 2 people. A $30/hour programmer here is working at $15/hour if he works twice as many hours (and many do). If that business cannot make a profit except by asking each employees to work like two, then that is either a badly-run business or one that should cease to exist. Yes, that might create some additional unemployment, but perhaps we will learn to live with fewer profits and run our businesses better. Too many businesses are run with a focus on attaining a certain profit. Which is why we have the media reporting businesses as being in trouble just because profits fell. Gosh, people, there were profits, not just as much. The business didn't make a loss. So why all the moaning about the business being in trouble? In a down economy, a lower profit, but still a profit, should be good news. It's the kind of thinking that resulted in Gourmet magazine being shut down. We will never defeat China, for example, in profit-making by adopting its labor practices. But, here is the real question: what profiteth a man if he were to become rich on the backs of his brothers? Just as our liberties and values better the lot of others by being shared with humans around the world, similarly our business practices should be looked upon as being better for humanity than the practices of other countries. On a personal level, my father owned and operated an auto dealership and workshop business in India for 50 years. No labor unions in his workshop (too small). However, his workers had a standard 9-6 working day, 5.5 days a week (those were the standard work hours in India at the time: equivalent to 44 hours/week). He had a pension scheme for them; small, but better than the nothing that practically all other such workers had. There was no health insurance, but he paid for expenses that were not already provided free in government hospitals, mainly medicines and operations. When a labor union tried to organize the workers and get them to strike (a popular way to make the employer come to the bargaining table), his workers came and told him about it and refused to strike. When the business had a major loss one year, the workers voluntarily gave up one month's salary and presented that as a solution to my father, without his asking it of them. Of course, they knew that if the business failed they'd be out of a job, but his competitors had labor strikes practically every year and bad worker morale. Guess where my dad learned these business practices? He attended an executive MBA program (although they weren't called those back then) in the US in the 40s. The program was fully funded by GM and took only 40 people each year. Now in his 90s, my dad still thinks that the US taught him how to treat people well and make a profit. However, his profit was less than half of that which others in the same type of business could make. My dad wasn't some kind of business saint, but just practiced what he'd been taught, and felt that we each have an ethical and moral duty to other human beings. When I started working in my current job, I felt that long weeks were expected of me. So, I often put in 60-hour weeks. After some years of this, I came to my senses. I deliberately tried to work toward 40-45 hour weeks. Guess what? My productivity went up, and I actually could do more work in less time. Granted, I don't make widgets on a production line: my job is that of a university faculty member (although my work is research and I help operate a lab that raises its own money and operates like a non-profit
Re: [CGUYS] A Tale of Two Hard Drives: Apple’s Sec ret Wea pon?
Maybe she didn't, but I save a lot of money. To each his own. Never bought a Dell, never would. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM, tjp t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://theappleblog.com/2009/11/24/a-tale-of-two-hard-drives-apples-secret-weapon/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAppleBlog+%28TheAppleBlog%29 The phrase “Penny wise and Pound foolish” comes to mind. Did the first client end up saving money because she bought a PC? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A Tale of Two Hard Drives: Apples Sec ret Wea pon?
I own a few dells and have not experienced the same problems. I do cut through the nonsense and usually press 0 repeatedly until I do get someone, and then if I have a problem ask to be kicked up a notch. Stewart At 05:09 PM 11/27/2009, you wrote: Maybe she didn't, but I save a lot of money. To each his own. Never bought a Dell, never would. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM, tjp t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://theappleblog.com/2009/11/24/a-tale-of-two-hard-drives-apples-secret-weapon/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAppleBlog+%28TheAppleBlog%29 The phrase Penny wise and Pound foolish comes to mind. Did the first client end up saving money because she bought a PC? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A Tale of Two Hard Drives: Apple’s Sec ret Wea pon?
I did contract work for a friend who owned his own business, we ran into this kind of thing with Dell more than once unless the customer had a business warranty. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: I own a few dells and have not experienced the same problems. I do cut through the nonsense and usually press 0 repeatedly until I do get someone, and then if I have a problem ask to be kicked up a notch. Stewart At 05:09 PM 11/27/2009, you wrote: Maybe she didn't, but I save a lot of money. To each his own. Never bought a Dell, never would. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM, tjp t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://theappleblog.com/2009/11/24/a-tale-of-two-hard-drives-apples-secret-weapon/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAppleBlog+%28TheAppleBlog%29 The phrase Penny wise and Pound foolish comes to mind. Did the first client end up saving money because she bought a PC? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A Tale of Two Hard Drives: Apples Sec ret Wea pon?
Dell is an insurance company that also sells computers. I believe that Dell makes more money off of selling service contracts than it does selling computers. Stewart At 05:42 PM 11/27/2009, you wrote: I did contract work for a friend who owned his own business, we ran into this kind of thing with Dell more than once unless the customer had a business warranty. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Please
I gave up trying to connect my laptop to the network where I have a desktop connected to a Epson Printer (network). Just was not able to do it. Now my next choice is to connect the printer to the wireless network. It had a cable connection. Can I use some kind of Wi-fi to hook the printer to the wireless network so that both computer can use it? Please advise. Many, many thanks Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A couple Mac questions.
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: It doesn't say that I can add PC2 memory to it, but I guess what I'm wondering is, will I hurt anything by trying it (assuming it'll physically go [right size, notch in the right place, yadda yadda])? It is probably not going to work, especially if that PC2 memory chip was introduced after your Mac was designed. The Mac, most probably, will simply fail to address it. I doubt it will hurt to try, assuming the number and configuration of the contacts is the same as that PC-133 chip, but I am no expert on memory chips. I tried a more recent memory module one time on an older Mac, and all that happened was nothing at all. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A Tale of Two Hard Drives: Apple’ s Secret Wea pon?
The phrase “Penny wise and Pound foolish” comes to mind. Did the first client end up saving money because she bought a PC? Uh, I note that apparently both machines used the same brand drive, it could even have been the same model for all we know. It's troubling to me that the alleged consultant didn't know how to bypass first level support quickly. I'm not a consultant for computers, but I definitely know enough to do that. Any tech worth paying attention to, knows what clicking or a high pitched squeal from a drive means, otherwise get the next level. Drives fail all the time. I'm sorry but if an alleged consultant doesn't know how to get a new drive in under 20 minutes, she or he needs some lessons. 20 minutes is likely too long with an obviously failed drive too. I'm not defending Dell, I've seen some Dell nightmares and also some computers from Dell that just wouldn't die. I personally think that Apple in the US does pay more attention to customer service, but if you want real fun, try getting service for an Apple overseas with your US mac. Finally, how did this consultant end up having to deal with a Mac or a Dell, both are normally computers picked by consumers without a consultant (bluntly I wouldn't trust a consulatant who suggested a Dell computer even if there are Dell bargains and Dell workhorses) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Please
If you hook it up to the router it becomes wifi, if the router is wifi. Stewart At 06:45 PM 11/27/2009, you wrote: I gave up trying to connect my laptop to the network where I have a desktop connected to a Epson Printer (network). Just was not able to do it. Now my next choice is to connect the printer to the wireless network. It had a cable connection. Can I use some kind of Wi-fi to hook the printer to the wireless network so that both computer can use it? Please advise. Many, many thanks Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
Yes, you did state that business should be run as ethically as possible. And, yes, I do consider as ethically as possible to be ethical (if that was your question). Obviously, one can always improve, but I do recognize that there will be compromises sometimes. (Just saw The Crime of Padre Amaro last night, which kind of deals with how an ethical church can go off the rails in pursuit of good. Of course, it deals with other things, too, such as corruption of morals.) I agree with you 123.7% that we have caused this behavior by demanding the lowest priced product available. When the price of a piece of goods falls below what it would cost to produce it by ethical means, we all lose. Fortunately, there are now some better alternatives appearing in the wider market at a reasonable price (e.g., food) which were only available in very limited urban areas at very high prices. Although I work in the environmental area out of choice, I am not averse to buying food grown with fertilizers or pesticides, or clothing that has been manufactured in a large mill as opposed to with thread I've spun myself. Industry and science have given us better things and made life easier. It is some of those who manage those industries that have let greed get the better of them. And Wall Street does have a lot to answer for. I do appreciate that I can earn quite well living here, as opposed to most any other place. And I'm quite sure I've done plenty of unethical things, knowingly and un-. On the other hand, I was once accused of having too high morals by someone at work, as though that was something really, really bad (and it wasn't really that high a bar: it was something quite ordinary, like not fudging one's timesheet). That spoke volumes about the culture of business. But, you see, Wall Street is also, in many ways, us. I'm sure many of us own stocks or shares in mutual funds. The former can be chosen with care, if one wants to avoid problem industries for whatever reason (ethical or moral or just because). Mutual funds, though, because they own many stocks, can be difficult to select. Interestingly, many business schools now have rediscovered ethics. Let's see if this is real. Time will tell. Obviously, the whole thing is quite complicated, specially when you add in those people who cannot afford to be ethical if they are to survive. Let's take the much-maligned WalMart. Many people who work there also shop there because that's what they can afford. And they work there because that may be the best job they could get. Waving the ethical banner at people who are living on the edge isn't very ethical in itself (think about that!). Once you get them off the edge, then go ahead and wave that banner. That (living on the edge), however, is not an excuse that those in power can use. What's their excuse for not helping others? I don't think what I've said here is something you'd disagree with in a large way, if I read you correctly (in this debate and in others over the years). Adil At 06:09 PM 11/27/2009, you wrote: Date:Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:03:52 -0600 From:Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Gulag? I also stated that business should be run in as ethically as possible. Do you consider that ethical? But we have also caused some of this behavior as we demand the lowest priced product available. Plus I think Wall Street is also responsible as they demand that a business publicly held show a profit. Stewart At 03:36 PM 11/27/2009, you wrote: Okay, I resisted this discussion until this email of yours, Stewart. Yes, business has a right to make a profit. But, does it have a right to maximize its profits by maximizing the exploitation of its workers? If the answer to that is yes, then I'd say you have no business of being in the business of ethics and morality. Whatever happened to being humane? Whatever happened to allowing one's workers some balance in their lives so that they spend some time with their families? Have we become so obsessed with profit that we have lost track of why we work: so that we may live? And not the other way around: live so that we may work. rest snipped * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 3:51 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Doctors, nurses and teachers have powerful professional associations. They're highly educated professionals. Professional organizations are somewhat different than labor unions, and they try to distinguish themselves from unions. I think that professional organizations place more emphasis on lobbying efforts than they do on collective bargaining as is the case with labor unions. This is not to say that labor unions do not also lobby. Lawyers also belong to professional organizations, but there has probably never been any collective bargaining going on within any law firm. Again, the lobbyist is their big weapon. I do not know how transient computer programmers and coders are in the workplace. From what I see and understand, they seem to move about a bit. If that is the case, unlike a Detroit automobile assembly line worker who will likely make a career of working for only auto manufacturers, unionization may be viewed as not worth the effort since they will not be able to transfer gains made at one type of firm to another. I used to work, here in Northern Virginia, for a company that produced exhibits for trade shows, museums, government, etc. We were under the Carpenter's Union. Numerous other firms of the same type in the area were also union shops. Therefore, there existed the ability of workers to leave one company and go to work at another in the area and be able to realize pretty much the same or better wages, benefits and protections. If programmers and coders wanted the same flexibility, along with confidence that they could get similar wages, benefits and protections were they to change employers, they would have to be able to obtain professional representation in many companies within a given territorial area to help avoid having to move to another locale in order to find suitable work. To be able to gain professional representation in numerous firms is a daunting task and takes a goodly amount of time, and can be especially difficult to achieve when many of these firms are foreign owned and operated. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
You are 100% right. I like to buy from companies I know. I like to buy local. When I cant do that I pick and choose. Stewart At 08:20 PM 11/27/2009, you wrote: Yes, you did state that business should be run as ethically as possible. And, yes, I do consider as ethically as possible to be ethical (if that was your question). Obviously, one can always improve, but I do recognize that there will be compromises sometimes. (Just saw The Crime of Padre Amaro last night, which kind of deals with how an ethical church can go off the rails in pursuit of good. Of course, it deals with other things, too, such as corruption of morals.) I agree with you 123.7% that we have caused this behavior by demanding the lowest priced product available. When the price of a piece of goods falls below what it would cost to produce it by ethical means, we all lose. Fortunately, there are now some better alternatives appearing in the wider market at a reasonable price (e.g., food) which were only available in very limited urban areas at very high prices. Although I work in the environmental area out of choice, I am not averse to buying food grown with fertilizers or pesticides, or clothing that has been manufactured in a large mill as opposed to with thread I've spun myself. Industry and science have given us better things and made life easier. It is some of those who manage those industries that have let greed get the better of them. And Wall Street does have a lot to answer for. I do appreciate that I can earn quite well living here, as opposed to most any other place. And I'm quite sure I've done plenty of unethical things, knowingly and un-. On the other hand, I was once accused of having too high morals by someone at work, as though that was something really, really bad (and it wasn't really that high a bar: it was something quite ordinary, like not fudging one's timesheet). That spoke volumes about the culture of business. But, you see, Wall Street is also, in many ways, us. I'm sure many of us own stocks or shares in mutual funds. The former can be chosen with care, if one wants to avoid problem industries for whatever reason (ethical or moral or just because). Mutual funds, though, because they own many stocks, can be difficult to select. Interestingly, many business schools now have rediscovered ethics. Let's see if this is real. Time will tell. Obviously, the whole thing is quite complicated, specially when you add in those people who cannot afford to be ethical if they are to survive. Let's take the much-maligned WalMart. Many people who work there also shop there because that's what they can afford. And they work there because that may be the best job they could get. Waving the ethical banner at people who are living on the edge isn't very ethical in itself (think about that!). Once you get them off the edge, then go ahead and wave that banner. That (living on the edge), however, is not an excuse that those in power can use. What's their excuse for not helping others? I don't think what I've said here is something you'd disagree with in a large way, if I read you correctly (in this debate and in others over the years). Adil At 06:09 PM 11/27/2009, you wrote: Date:Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:03:52 -0600 From:Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Gulag? I also stated that business should be run in as ethically as possible. Do you consider that ethical? But we have also caused some of this behavior as we demand the lowest priced product available. Plus I think Wall Street is also responsible as they demand that a business publicly held show a profit. Stewart At 03:36 PM 11/27/2009, you wrote: Okay, I resisted this discussion until this email of yours, Stewart. Yes, business has a right to make a profit. But, does it have a right to maximize its profits by maximizing the exploitation of its workers? If the answer to that is yes, then I'd say you have no business of being in the business of ethics and morality. Whatever happened to being humane? Whatever happened to allowing one's workers some balance in their lives so that they spend some time with their families? Have we become so obsessed with profit that we have lost track of why we work: so that we may live? And not the other way around: live so that we may work. rest snipped * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at
Re: [CGUYS] A Tale of Two Hard Drives: Apples Secret Wea pon?
While I have never purchased it, one can purchase premium support with a Dell PC. It looks as if premium support is an option when buying Dell, but mandatory when buying Mac. ??? At 03:28 PM 11/27/2009, tjp wrote: http://theappleblog.com/2009/11/24/a-tale-of-two-hard-drives-apples-secret-weapon/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAppleBlog+%28TheAppleBlog%29 The phrase Penny wise and Pound foolish comes to mind. Did the first client end up saving money because she bought a PC? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
I got a Magic Mouse as soon as I could, because my mighty mouse's scrollball would get clogged up and need cleaning annoyingly often. I agree that the Magic Mouse works much better than the Mighty Mouse (now just Apple Mouse), and I'd go so far as to say that it's the best mouse I've ever tried. However, I can't really see adding any more gestures to the Magic Mouse. It would be too easy to do a gesture by mistake. Right now, I sometimes accidentally scroll when a finger grazes the mouse or just gets too close. This is not particularly disruptive to recover from, but the same probably wouldn't be true for any additional gestures. The two-finger side swipes for forward and back are ergonomically different enough from the other gestures that you aren't likely to do them by accident, but three- or four-finger gestures would simultaneously be difficult to perform on an unanchored mouse and too easily performed by accident. I could however see a device that bears the same relationship to the Magic Mouse that a trackball bears to a standard mouse, that is, essentially a standalone multitouch trackpad with a non-slip base. Then you could do all the 1,2,3, 4-finger gestures that you can do with a multitouch trackpad and more besides. I could also see a bigger version of this being popular with some handicapped people. From:tjpa t...@tjpa.com Subject: Re: Apple Magic Mouse On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Tony B wrote: Looks interesting, but I'm still leery of touchpads in general. Anyway, since there's no version available for Windows yet, it's useless on most systems. And a wall of patents will assure that there never will be! Ho ho ho! I'm not sure what you mean about 'growing' gestures. All the ones I've seen are gestures that have been used for ages. Either by moving the whole mouse, or just the scroll wheel. Two finger drags, three finger drags, probably four fingers some day. Different gestures. I'm told the iPad will bring an explosion of new gestures. Won't work with Vista or W7. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A couple Mac questions.
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com: On Nov 27, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Reid Katan wrote: that option is in the time/date preference panel I see it. Dragging a Widget to the desktop will do something very similar. You mean Dashboard? Unless I'm doing something wrong, that comes and goes on an as-needed basis. I want a clock that will just hang out on the desktop. I'm not seeing any other widgets. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
