Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Why not Eudora for Mac? Still out there still free still good. Just not being developed. Wasn't Eudora swallowed up into the Thunderbird project? You may as well get the software that is being kept up to date. There is an extension call Penelope that I think Eudorizes Thunderbird. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward
Tom is saying Jeff pulled a 'Tom'. Bingo. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Honestly Mutt and Jeff! Grow up a little. I'm starting to delete your comments before reading them. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Huh, Jeff, WTF? Mark--It's very simple. Tom operates under the RDF'd delusion that Apple is some kind of warm-hearted, sweet-little-aunt-who-bakes-you-pies company that only behaves badly when backed into a corner by the mean men outside the loving confines of Cupertino. I choose the reality-based view that Apple's normal operating methodology is that of a very coercive company which insists on stove-piping its customers for maximum profit, who then, in turn, thank Apple profusely for that honor. The iPhone is only one of many examples. Mind you, Apple is free to operate its business in any way it chooses to do so, short of fraud, and I'm free to avoid their products as I see fit. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: Tom is saying Jeff pulled a 'Tom'. Bingo. In fact, Jeff's Tom rating is currently 100 Toms and going up. Tom remains the yardstick at 1 Tom. And, as Jordan noted, the best approach is to delete the posts of everyone who has a rating higher than 10 Toms, unread. Once you get in that range, there is no longer useful content to accompany the ranting. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500ref=mf * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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What you forget is Tom may only measure by the yard, but he has so many yard sticks he throws out that by sheer volume Tom would be deleted on the server and never reach the inbox. At least Jeff will answer direct questions, I'm still waiting for Tom to explain his going after MS for the Toshiba bug in their player, but not Toshiba for the bug in theirs. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:55 AM, John DeCarlo johndeca...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: Tom is saying Jeff pulled a 'Tom'. Bingo. In fact, Jeff's Tom rating is currently 100 Toms and going up. Tom remains the yardstick at 1 Tom. And, as Jordan noted, the best approach is to delete the posts of everyone who has a rating higher than 10 Toms, unread. Once you get in that range, there is no longer useful content to accompany the ranting. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500ref=mf * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward
And, as Jordan noted, the best approach is to delete the posts of everyone who has a rating higher than 10 Toms, unread. Once you get in that range, there is no longer useful content to accompany the ranting. I think John is right. In the interest of lively discussions and the sharing of ideas, we should get with the ignoring of each other toot sweet. Actually thinking and generating a coherent response to something we disagree with just gets in the way of not paying attention to each other. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward
Jeff Wright Huh, Jeff, WTF? Mark--It's very simple. Tom operates under the RDF'd delusion that Apple is some kind of warm-hearted, sweet-little-aunt-who-bakes-you-pies company that only behaves badly when backed into a corner I wonder if the Tom/Jeff pair are different personalities in the same body? They both denigrate the other and proclaim their's is the correct side. Both companies are using methods to make their company grow. It's not like Microsoft isn't above arm-twisting and stove-piping. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly ROTFL: Rats on Thorazine Feel Lazy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Generally, Tom talks about issues, jeff and the boys talk about Tom. Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: I wonder if the Tom/Jeff pair are different personalities in the same body? They both denigrate the other and proclaim their's is the correct side. Both companies are using methods to make their company grow. It's not like Microsoft isn't above arm-twisting and stove-piping. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Generally, Tom talks about issues, jeff and the boys talk about Tom. This really isn't true. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward
I wonder if the Tom/Jeff pair are different personalities in the same body? Now, that's just mean. They both denigrate the other and proclaim their's is the correct side. Both companies are using methods to make their company grow. It's not like Microsoft isn't above arm-twisting and stove-piping. I never claimed that MS doesn't do nasty things nor doesn't try to induce you to buy their products and not the other guy's. Apple, Microsoft and Google all want you to drink their own special flavor of Kool-Aid by using their product stream and theirs alone. It's not magic. I've been consistent in that I don't have a problem in how a business conducts its business per se, that includes Apple and MS, but, unlike Tom and others, I don't buy into the Apple mythos of it being Rainbow Puppy Land. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward
I detest mac mail. I don't understand why I can't change it from the default when I click on a webpage to send an email and damn damn damn mac mail opens. Help! You change the default email reader in Apple Mail's preference settings, General tab. This setting applies system wide. This is not a good place for this setting, totally illogical, but that is where it is. I would call it a dirty trick to force you to look at Apple's Mail program at least once. A bit coercive, not the way Apple typically does business. This one is on my FTFF list. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I would call it a dirty trick to force you to look at Apple's Mail program at least once. A bit coercive, not the way Apple typically does business. Of course not. Has Apple trademarked bricked and jailbroken yet? No? That'll probably come with the iPhone PlusT line. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Huh, Jeff, WTF? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I would call it a dirty trick to force you to look at Apple's Mail program at least once. A bit coercive, not the way Apple typically does business. Of course not. Has Apple trademarked bricked and jailbroken yet? No? That'll probably come with the iPhone PlusT line. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Huh, Jeff, WTF? crank (krangk) n. Informal. An eccentric person, especially one who is unduly zealous. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Is the earthlink account IMAP, POP or online only? Do you have the correct server names, addresses? duh. thanks for the tip. I've since downloaded eudora and that comes up as the default mail reader. but it still looks like mac mail. I've been using web-based (earthlink and yahoo), but it seems I need a mac mail account, and then try to open the mac mail in eudora. sorry for my stupidity. but why can't I open my earthlink mail in eudora ? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom is saying Jeff pulled a 'Tom'. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Huh, Jeff, WTF? crank (krangk) n. Informal. An eccentric person, especially one who is unduly zealous. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward
Did you try opening Mail, preferences, general, select your default mail reader? On Jan 16, 2009, at 9:22 PM, One Man wrote: I detest mac mail. I don't understand why I can't change it from the default when I click on a webpage to send an email and damn damn damn mac mail opens. Help! --- On Fri, 1/16/09, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 5:39 PM A friend of mine keeps forwarding formatted email from Mac Mail. It arrives in my mail as a collection of disjointed pictures and broken links, with full headers. I use Thunderbird for my email client. Haven't been able to reproduce the jumble in either program. What kind of settings in Mail could cause that? I guess she forwards email by clicking on the Forward button in the toolbar. I don't know if Redirect [in menu] will make a difference, mostly because she hasn't done it yet, AFAIK. She said tonight that other people get jumbled email from her too. Is there a MIME setting in prefs to fix that? The default format is RTF, which is odd, since it's nonstandard for email. I never liked Mac Mail. This gives me another reason to dislike it even more. I don't think it's Yahoo email problem because hers are the only messages I receive like that. Is this any help: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-178195691 Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward
duh. thanks for the tip. I've since downloaded eudora and that comes up as the default mail reader. but it still looks like mac mail. I've been using web-based (earthlink and yahoo), but it seems I need a mac mail account, and then try to open the mac mail in eudora. sorry for my stupidity. but why can't I open my earthlink mail in eudora ? --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Jim mcbell6...@mac.com wrote: From: Jim mcbell6...@mac.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:34 AM Did you try opening Mail, preferences, general, select your default mail reader? On Jan 16, 2009, at 9:22 PM, One Man wrote: I detest mac mail. I don't understand why I can't change it from the default when I click on a webpage to send an email and damn damn damn mac mail opens. Help! --- On Fri, 1/16/09, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 5:39 PM A friend of mine keeps forwarding formatted email from Mac Mail. It arrives in my mail as a collection of disjointed pictures and broken links, with full headers. I use Thunderbird for my email client. Haven't been able to reproduce the jumble in either program. What kind of settings in Mail could cause that? I guess she forwards email by clicking on the Forward button in the toolbar. I don't know if Redirect [in menu] will make a difference, mostly because she hasn't done it yet, AFAIK. She said tonight that other people get jumbled email from her too. Is there a MIME setting in prefs to fix that? The default format is RTF, which is odd, since it's nonstandard for email. I never liked Mac Mail. This gives me another reason to dislike it even more. I don't think it's Yahoo email problem because hers are the only messages I receive like that. Is this any help: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-178195691 Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward
A friend of mine keeps forwarding formatted email from Mac Mail. It arrives in my mail as a collection of disjointed pictures and broken links, with full headers. I use Thunderbird for my email client. Haven't been able to reproduce the jumble in either program. What kind of settings in Mail could cause that? I guess she forwards email by clicking on the Forward button in the toolbar. I don't know if Redirect [in menu] will make a difference, mostly because she hasn't done it yet, AFAIK. She said tonight that other people get jumbled email from her too. Is there a MIME setting in prefs to fix that? The default format is RTF, which is odd, since it's nonstandard for email. I never liked Mac Mail. This gives me another reason to dislike it even more. I don't think it's Yahoo email problem because hers are the only messages I receive like that. Is this any help: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-178195691 Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward
I detest mac mail. I don't understand why I can't change it from the default when I click on a webpage to send an email and damn damn damn mac mail opens. Help! --- On Fri, 1/16/09, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 5:39 PM A friend of mine keeps forwarding formatted email from Mac Mail. It arrives in my mail as a collection of disjointed pictures and broken links, with full headers. I use Thunderbird for my email client. Haven't been able to reproduce the jumble in either program. What kind of settings in Mail could cause that? I guess she forwards email by clicking on the Forward button in the toolbar. I don't know if Redirect [in menu] will make a difference, mostly because she hasn't done it yet, AFAIK. She said tonight that other people get jumbled email from her too. Is there a MIME setting in prefs to fix that? The default format is RTF, which is odd, since it's nonstandard for email. I never liked Mac Mail. This gives me another reason to dislike it even more. I don't think it's Yahoo email problem because hers are the only messages I receive like that. Is this any help: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-178195691 Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward
I detest mac mail. I don't understand why I can't change it from the default when I click on a webpage to send an email and damn damn damn mac mail opens. Help! I think the best solution is to go to my friend's house and install Thunderbird for her. If I tell her, she'll do something else. Last time I suggested switching from Outlook Express to Thunderbird, she switched to Mac Mail. To get her on the right track, I'll offer to clean up her computer. Looks easy to move email and addresses to Thunderbird from Mail, http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/faq#mail.app Until then, are there settings I can change, or do I have to go into the guts [package, terminal] of the program to make changes? Mac Mail is pathetic. Apple really got that wrong. WFB!!! See!! I use Macs. I love Macs!!! They're wonderful. Just bought a new iMac and a used G5. Happy Happy Joy Joy!! _I HATE Mac Mail_ [almost as much as I detest OE]. :-D Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward
Why not Eudora for Mac? Still out there still free still good. Just not being developed. Stewart At 09:35 PM 1/16/2009, you wrote: I detest mac mail. I don't understand why I can't change it from the default when I click on a webpage to send an email and damn damn damn mac mail opens. Help! I think the best solution is to go to my friend's house and install Thunderbird for her. If I tell her, she'll do something else. Last time I suggested switching from Outlook Express to Thunderbird, she switched to Mac Mail. To get her on the right track, I'll offer to clean up her computer. Looks easy to move email and addresses to Thunderbird from Mail, http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/faq#mail.app Until then, are there settings I can change, or do I have to go into the guts [package, terminal] of the program to make changes? Mac Mail is pathetic. Apple really got that wrong. WFB!!! See!! I use Macs. I love Macs!!! They're wonderful. Just bought a new iMac and a used G5. Happy Happy Joy Joy!! _I HATE Mac Mail_ [almost as much as I detest OE]. :-D Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward
WFB!!! See!! I use Macs. I love Macs!!! They're wonderful. Just bought a new iMac and a used G5. Happy Happy Joy Joy!! _I HATE Mac Mail_ [almost as much as I detest OE]. :-D OK. Calm down and drop the keyboard. Take your finger off the mouse button and face the wall. Breathe deeply and ask yourself one question. Is it time for a nap? ;-) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Mail: Redirect vs. Forward
On Jan 16, 2009, at 10:35 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Mac Mail is pathetic. Apple really got that wrong. Go on I find it perfectly adequate. What is it that is lacking for you? Mar PS: Happy New Year * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
