Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-09 Thread Jeff Wright
I have used it successfully to move PC's from one machine to another with a clean install and the former install. I t does want two machines though, but it works great, only draw back is it is a once use program. Must buy a separate license each tome you move it. Limited and costly.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-09 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Then use what comes with Windows. http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!23641.entry And what about my applications? This does the easy part and leaves me stuck with the hard part.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread Roy Ackerman,Ph.D.,P.Ch.E.,E.A.
: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain Actually, I do. There are no obvious defects in it as it stands. Nor are there any defects in Vista, though driver support was woefully slow to materialize. And I bet the same will be true of Win7. I wonder how many engineers at e.g. Nvidia are working on Win7 drivers right

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread Jeff Wright
1) You don't want Win7 right now. It will be a year or two before M$ works out the defects. Meanwhile you will you will be using XP, a version that has been worked on long enough to have fixed many of the worse defects. I can hear Tom now at home now, whimpering like Dr. Smith from Lost in

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
I've been running the Beta for Win7 for a couple of weeks on a four year old machine (HP Pavillion a720n- Athalon XP 2.2ghz). XP was due for a reinstall so I thought that I would play around with Win7. It runs OK except when iTunes gets going but that was how iTunes ran in XP on that machine.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 8, 2009, at 6:50 AM, Roy Ackerman,Ph.D.,P.Ch.E.,E.A. wrote: I know the logic about clean installs- but it would take more than 20 hours for me to reinstall my programs (and that assumes I can still find the install disks- and NOT have to install an older version followed by the

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 8, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: I can hear Tom now at home now, whimpering like Dr. Smith from Lost in Space, Oh, Will, the pain, the pain. I simply can't bear to try it Correction, if you are a computer hobbyist in need to massive entertainment then by all means go

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of t.piwowar Sent: 06/08/2009 10:41 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain On Jun 8, 2009

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Yes there is. Please tell us. This would be very useful for many of us (even me!). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** **

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Laplink PC Mover I have used it successfully to move PC's from one machine to another with a clean install and the former install. I t does want two machines though, but it works great, only draw back is it is a once use program. Must buy a separate license each tome you move it. I have

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 8, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: For those of us who work - with real things- we do employ Windows. Financial, Science, and Engineering (ok, the first doesn't make anything either)- rely on Windows Apps. I also tell Mac folks to not adopt new versions too

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 8, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Agreed, except that unless you have set yourself up to run as a non-admin, Win7 is far more secure than XP out of the box. This is just advertising for a operating system that is still in beta. You have no way to know that it is true. Spouting

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
Of Rev. Stewart Marshall Sent: 06/08/2009 11:40 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain Laplink PC Mover I have used it successfully to move PC's from one machine to another with a clean install and the former install. I t does want two machines though

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Wright Sent: 06/08/2009 12:17 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain I see no reason to rush out and buy new versions. Especially so when the older version is now well known and stable. Agreed, except that unless you

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread Jeff Wright
This is just advertising for a operating system that is still in beta. You have no way to know that it is true. Spouting such marketing blather reduces your credibility to zero. O Rlly? You and others keep telling us how 7 is little more than Vista 2nd Ed. and Vista is many times more secure

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread Jeff Wright
Your statement (security) may only be true because it is new and no one has built attacks against it yet. Not so. Not running with admin rights by default, as you do with XP, is much more secure, period. YMMV. With Vista and 7, you run with reduced rights until you need to perform an action

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:35 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 8, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Agreed, except that unless you have set yourself up to run as a non-admin, Win7 is far more secure than XP out of the box. This is just advertising for a operating system that is

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread Jeff Wright
Given what security features that are switched on in Vista/Win7 when first installed that were off by design in XP  it isn't that high a hurdle to jump. Even so, this doesn't detract from the validity of the statement. Vista/7 are far more secure than XP in a default installation, what the

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread t.piwowar
Okay, so it is buzzword compliant. But how does it work in the real world? You don't know and I don't know. All I have to go on is the company's past track record of broken promises about security. All you have to go on is a list of buzzwords from their PR department and some limited

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: O Rlly? You and others keep telling us how 7 is little more than Vista 2nd Ed. and Vista is many times more secure out of the box than XP. We do not define security by comparing said new version to XP. That is setting the bar much too low.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread mike
Then we'll compare it to OS X...oh wait...that was taken out in seconds at the last pwn to own contest... On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:40 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: O Rlly? You and others keep telling us how 7 is little more than Vista 2nd

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread mike
Limited personal testing for months...proves you know a lot less then me. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Okay, so it is buzzword compliant. But how does it work in the real world? You don't know and I don't know. All I have to go on is the company's past track

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-08 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Rev. Stewart Marshall Most vista drivers are supposed to work out of the box. So far I only found one that did not, and it was HP which is notoriously slow in releasing updates. A friend of mine at work ended up buying another XP system when the scanner vendor wouldn't supply Vista drivers

[CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Marcio
Here in Brazil the news are in the papers. Microsoft will start selling Windows 7 on October 22. To my dismay no upgrade from XP. Only from Vista. And I have a brasilian XP Home and a US XP Professional. I have a Vista to put on the top of the XP Professional...and...then... Windows 7? I guess

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 10:19 PM -0300 6/7/09, Marcio wrote: Here in Brazil the news are in the papers. Microsoft will start selling Windows 7 on October 22. To my dismay no upgrade from XP. Only from Vista. And I have a brasilian XP Home and a US XP Professional. I have a Vista to put on the top of the XP

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Tony B
You of all people should know by now that when you install a new version of Windows you should do it clean. Don't upgrade. Besides, as I recall, you bought that (those?) machine(s) long after Vista was out, but you stubbornly insisted on XP. We have a saying in the US: You made your bed, now you

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com: Here in Brazil the news are in the papers. Microsoft will start selling Windows 7 on October 22. To my dismay no upgrade from XP. Only from Vista. And I have a brasilian XP Home and a US XP Professional. I have a Vista to put on the top of the XP

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
Here in Brazil the news are in the papers. Microsoft will start selling Windows 7 on October 22. To my dismay no upgrade from XP. Only from Vista. And I have a brasilian XP Home and a US XP Professional. I have a Vista to put on the top of the XP Professional...and...then... Windows 7? I

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 7, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Marcio wrote: Here in Brazil the news are in the papers. Microsoft will start selling Windows 7 on October 22. To my dismay no upgrade from XP. Only from Vista. And I have a brasilian XP Home and a US XP Professional. I have a Vista to put on the top of the XP

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Tony B
Actually, I do. There are no obvious defects in it as it stands. Nor are there any defects in Vista, though driver support was woefully slow to materialize. And I bet the same will be true of Win7. I wonder how many engineers at e.g. Nvidia are working on Win7 drivers right now? Probably none.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Most vista drivers are supposed to work out of the box. So far I only found one that did not, and it was HP which is notoriously slow in releasing updates. Stewart At 10:46 PM 6/7/2009, you wrote: Actually, I do. There are no obvious defects in it as it stands. Nor are there any defects in

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Chris Dunford
1) You don't want Win7 right now. It will be a year or two before M$ works out the defects. Do you laugh when you write this ridiculous stuff? Because it really reminds me of that I told them we already had one! line from Holy Grail.