[CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread rlsimon
On NPR there was a story claiming the US was a winner initially in the lineup of those nations affording access to broadband internet being amongst the top 4 while now we are 15th behing Luxembourg ...I know this for sure having recently visited Belgium where just about everyone has it (even cell

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
Not necessarily a bad idea but you are going to get slow ping speeds to a geosynchronous satellite. It's that pesky speed of light issue that we've discussed before. Not for broadband, just for digital TV. My $20/mo Internet connection is just fine for that, but I think it would be silly to use

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
Precisely. The Internet was created using public tax dollars and then given away by corrupt politicians to greedy corporations. The public has been on the short end of battle after battle. What you are seeing in the US is the result of media consolidation and the giving away and selling of our

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
I have not heard great things about DLP. DLP has greatly reduced the cost of video projectors and I think that is great. On the down side, lamp life is 6,000 hours and the replacement cost is about half the cost of the unit. I know my CRT TVs have been around longer than 6,000 hours. I have

Re: [CGUYS] Blackberry on OS X

2008-06-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
I have a user think about adding a OS X machine to his computers. Currently he uses WIndows XP on a desktop and is phasing out a Windows laptop. He usage is mostly basic: web surfing and email. The one one item which might be a yellow flag is his blackberry. Apple features the sync utility

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Steve Rigby
On Jun 29, 2008, at 10:51 AM, rlsimon wrote: On NPR there was a story claiming the US was a winner initially in the lineup of those nations affording access to broadband internet being amongst the top 4 while now we are 15th behing Luxembourg ...I know this for sure having recently visited

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Chris Dunford
On NPR there was a story claiming the US was a winner initially in the lineup of those nations affording access to broadband internet being amongst the top 4 while now we are 15th behing Luxembourg ...I know this for sure having recently visited Belgium where ... While it is certainly true

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
There is another stark difference in that we are much farther apart than any of those European countries. Put in population density and see this difference. Luxembourg 481/sq.mi. Belgium 892/sq.mi. USA 80/sq.mi. Years ago the rural phone customers used to

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
Put another way, the US has to wire up 3,798 Luxembourgs. :) This is such silly logic that it is hard to respond. Compare the difficulty of burying fiber in an urban area to doing the same in a rural area. In the city they are lucky to bury a couple hundred feet in a day. In rural areas the

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Stephen Brownfield
It may be true that most Americans are happy with what they have, because they don't know of anything better (ignorance is bliss). People were relatively happy with dial-up until they experienced broadband. But most of us have limited options as far as broadband goes. I have a

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
1.) If you are trying too bury it you are stupid. Of course you cant bury it in urban areas that does not make sense. Pole to pole is much faster and easier. (In some urban areas they set up underground conduits where it is much easier and much better to do underground.) 2.) Broadband

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-29 Thread gerald
some dlp units require factory replacement of the bulb. others are a do it your self. the do it yourself cost is around $1-200. bulb life is frequently only 2-3000hrs. 1000 hrs is 6 weeks. you turn your tv on first thing in the morning and turn it off when go to bed, the bulb lasts less

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
If you get a clear signal from a roof top antenna it certainly is the way to go. No compression artifacts from the cable and Satellite providers trying to scrunch more signal into the limitations of their bandwidth. On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My clear

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
They used to have DLP in the gym I go to. About once every six months they would all post a notification that it was time to change the bulb. Since they all ran the same 24/7 all the messages would come up around the same time. Now they have plasma panels. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Tom

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
I have FIOS at home and a shared T1 at work. Talk about a let down. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Stephen Brownfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may be true that most Americans are happy with what they have, because they don't know of anything better (ignorance is bliss). People

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Eric S. Sande
I have FIOS at home and a shared T1 at work. Talk about a let down. Which one aren't you happy with? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-29 Thread mike
The DLP's we looked at, the lamps were a couple hundred. Mike On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not heard great things about DLP. DLP has greatly reduced the cost of video projectors and I think that is great. On the down side, lamp life is 6,000

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
My FIOS speed is around that of a T3 no problems there. The office T! gets bogged down pretty easily being shared by around 20 people.. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Eric S. Sande [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have FIOS at home and a shared T1 at work. Talk about a let down. Which one aren't

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread maruca
On Jun 29, 2008, at 3:22 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: I have FIOS at home and a shared T1 at work. Talk about a let down. which? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Eric S. Sande
1.) If you are trying too bury it you are stupid. Of course you cant bury it in urban areas that does not make sense. Pole to pole is much faster and easier. (In some urban areas they set up underground conduits where it is much easier and much better to do underground.) We can do it

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Jeff Wright
Europeans aren't dealing with the same scale issues I am. You must not be using a Piwowar projection map. The US is about the size of Rhode Island on a Mercator map and Luxemburg looks to be the size of China. * ** List

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread rlsimon
OK ...here goes!! I just got back from Belgium visiting the family for the first time since 2001. Already in 2001 when we were going along the highway from Brussels to the eastern city of Liege with the car radio turned off, the radio suddenly turned itself on and gave us a traffic accident

[CGUYS] video compression

2008-06-29 Thread Tony B
Actually, you're thinking about the old analog days. Broadcast TV will be compressing quite a bit in the digital era. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:13 PM, John Duncan Yoyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you get a clear signal from a roof top antenna it certainly is the way to go. No compression

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread rlsimon
Take a look at this!! Doel, Belgium. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/DoelMolen.jpg/451px -DoelMolen.jpg * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Lest I remind you that most of these enterprises are government controlled and government funded enterprises. Yes there is a density of Antennas but that is the only way to get coverage. Most places here do not have service because no one will allow them to place an antenna for service.

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Eric S. Sande
Am I correct in assuming that many of these other countries have some kind of government support in developing a broadband system? Yeah, that's a point. I don't believe we ever got a dime out of the government outside of the Federal Cost Recovery Surcharge, which was actually pretty big money,

Re: [CGUYS] Blackberry on OS X

2008-06-29 Thread David
Not so straightforward, but doable. I just set up my daughter's 8120 on her iBook this afternoon. RIM does provide Pocketmac for free. Very nice. Sadly,it doesn't sync correctly without updating the drivers.Update software on Pocketmac just dumps you to the mac page at RIM. It should check and

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread rlsimon
I am loath to expect the optical solution will stand the traffic demands over the short term. I can't understand why more has not gone into wireless as a longer term solution with less disruptive infrastructure demands albeit the view of a tower herethere which pales in comparison to the

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Eric S. Sande
I am loath to expect the optical solution will stand the traffic demands over the short term. I can't understand why more has not gone into wireless as a longer term solution with less disruptive infrastructure demands albeit the view of a tower herethere which pales in comparison to the

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
Lest I remind you that most of these enterprises are government controlled and government funded enterprises. Do you refuse to drive on any roadway that was not privately built? * ** List info, subscription management,

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
Wireless is fine but so far it is a sub-optimal technology in terms of speed and reliability. Do you really want a system that drops out whenever it rains? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
I have FIOS at home and a shared T1 at work. Talk about a let down. Why would anyone use T1 today? T1 is 1.5 Mbps. That was considered fast 10 years ago, but is crappy even by US standards. * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Been there done that not interested. Stewart At 07:40 PM 6/29/2008, you wrote: Wireless is fine but so far it is a sub-optimal technology in terms of speed and reliability. Do you really want a system that drops out whenever it rains? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
You might be better off driving on private roads in some parts. To get from Panama City, FL. north you have to take an old 4 lane public access road that goes through every town with appropriately slow speeds. There has been talk of a publicly constructed 4 lane or more interstate

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread Eric S. Sande
Do you really want a system that drops out whenever it rains? I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. If you are saying that a copper network is subject to weather I'll agree. That's why we are replacing it. Its physics. If you are talking about wireless, well your call will eventually

Re: [CGUYS] US is access loser

2008-06-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
I reverse commute. T1 is the best they can get out in the sticks without paying through the nose. We get spoiled in the close in DC suburbs. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have FIOS at home and a shared T1 at work. Talk about a let down. Why would

Re: [CGUYS] video compression

2008-06-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
Yes Broadcast are compressing their digital signals but the cable/satellite people are recompressing that compressed digital signal a few times more to get the bandwidth down. Try comparing a cable/satellite signal on a digital tv to the same station on an outdoor antenna or simple rabbit ears.