[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-05-04 Thread Roger Diggle via Contra Callers
Ridge, Sorry to hear of your infection. I confess I don't get unwanted earworms often. When I do, I usually re-imagine it in some way. Most often, I change the time signature. Turn it into a waltz or a jig or something else that it's not. If you can, imagine it in some Eastern European

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-05-04 Thread Roger Diggle via Contra Callers
On 5/2/22 10:27 AM, Amy Cann wrote: versionated Oh, now THAT's a keeper! Roger Diggle typed: Yours to keep! Use it wisely. = Hemiola - When songs are sung with harmony parts, someone gotta be singin' the melody. When jazz musicians use all-at-once hemiola, sometimes even

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2022-05-03 Thread Jerome Grisanti via Contra Callers
I read the Mark Twain and now I'm frankly afraid to read the Homer Price. But I did get a chuckle from Twain before the relentless earworm returned right there, PUNCH in the presence of the passenjare. Allemande left like a rabbit and a hare, then promenade all with nare' a bear care. Jerome

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-05-03 Thread David Harding via Contra Callers
Mark Twain was familiar with the concept of an ear worm. https://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/mark-twain-a-literary-nig.html Robert McCloskey's Homer Price also encountered an ear worm in "Pie and Punch and You-Know-Whats", the last chapter of "Centerburg Tales".

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-05-03 Thread Becky Liddle via Contra Callers
The key to ear worm relief is that the substitute tune must (a) not have any tempting/endless-loop repeats in it, (b) should be interesting/varied enough to hold your attention long enough to blot out the ear worm, and (c) must have a clear & final/satisfying ending. My go-to is Stars &

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-05-03 Thread Robert Golder via Contra Callers
I find earworm relief in Clair de Lune by Claude Debussy (solo piano). Best wishes … Bob > On May 3, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Amy Cann via Contra Callers > wrote: > > You need an EarwormCancellationDevice (I forget how to say it in German). > > It's a tune -- personal to you, everyone has their

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-05-03 Thread Amy Cann via Contra Callers
You need an EarwormCancellationDevice (I forget how to say it in German). It's a tune -- personal to you, everyone has their own -- that when you sing or hum it will nudge the parasite out and take its place, and then you can stop singing *it*. It's a two-step process. The person who educated

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-05-03 Thread Ridge Kennedy via Contra Callers
Curse you callers & musicians. I am now infected with one of the most insidious of parasites: The earworm Baumontum Raggus. The nasty little creature is crawling through my subconscious at a leisurely 86 bpm, frequently raising its volume and causing erratic shoulder shimmies and the occasional

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-05-03 Thread Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers
I think the reason I hear it as AABB is that it has two 32-beat sections: one that starts on the IV (I think -- I don't have an instrument in front of me) and one that starts on the I. And each of those sections divides into two 16-beat sections, each of which start with the same ~8 beats before

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2022-05-02 Thread jim saxe via Contra Callers
Jeff, Based on how I hear the tune with my not-very-musically-educated ears, I can understand why you might describe it as AABB (with the A and B parts both having first and second endings). But if you happen to have published sources for the tune, I'd be interested in knowing whether they

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2022-05-02 Thread Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers
Hi Jim, I'd describe the one I linked (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FTuWotf7TQ) as AABB. He's not playing it the same each time through, and parts have various fancy endings, but I still hear AABB. Jeff On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 12:23 PM jim saxe wrote: > Jeff, > > How would you describe

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2022-05-02 Thread jim saxe via Contra Callers
Amy, Thanks for the lesson about hemiolas. Since your ears are far more musically educated than mine, perhaps you can say somethinng informative about this rendition of Beaumont Rag by Mark O'Connor that I cited in an earlier message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJuXNiybth0 For the

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-05-02 Thread Amy Cann via Contra Callers
Can I just say that I really enjoy the depth of the rabbit holes we're willing to go down on here, and how much fun it is to take a dive along with *other people* who don't think it's weird at all? On 5/2/22, jim saxe via Contra Callers wrote: > Jeff, > > How would you describe the phrase

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2022-05-02 Thread jim saxe via Contra Callers
Jeff, How would you describe the phrase structure of the version of Beaumont Rag that you just cited? A A B B? A1 A2 B1 B2? A B? Something else? In the instructional video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS2Wb6nIjlU the narrator begins (0:00-0:39) by playing a similar version of the tune.

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-05-02 Thread Amy Cann via Contra Callers
>versionated Oh, now THAT's a keeper! *** I've been wondering during this whole thread if their version involves punching the heck out of the hemiola in the B part? (hemiola: Italian for "I'm going to mess with your head by moving the emPHAsis to a new syLAHble") People who aren't

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-05-02 Thread Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers
Here's a common version of Beaumont Rag that's square and well phrased: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FTuWotf7TQ Jeff On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 1:09 AM Roger Diggle via Contra Callers < contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > Beaumont Rag is a tune that is incredibly versionated.

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-05-01 Thread Roger Diggle via Contra Callers
Beaumont Rag is a tune that is incredibly versionated. Without knowing their particular version, no way to create a dance that fits. Another way to look at the problem ... If they really want to play the tune for dancing, there is no reason they cannot concoct a version of there own, using

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-04-30 Thread Laur via Contra Callers
Okay. Thanks for the feedback! I may run it a little shorter.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, April 30, 2022, 1:44 PM, Ridge Kennedy wrote: I'm sensitive to that sort of thing. It's not been an issue at all that I've experienced. ( I've danced it a few times). The circular

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-04-30 Thread Ridge Kennedy via Contra Callers
I'm sensitive to that sort of thing. It's not been an issue at all that I've experienced. ( I've danced it a few times). The circular motion gets reversed a couple of times. I guess it could be an issue for some dancers but ... Not in my experience and I've not gotten negative feedback. My two

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2022-04-30 Thread Laur via Contra Callers
Ragtime Sammy fun. And Works to the tempo That band plays too however when I walk it through it seems like it could be rather dizzying ?  Laurie  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, April 29, 2022, 12:25 AM, Amy Cann via Contra Callers wrote: HOW HAVE I NOT KNOWN THIS DANCE BEFORE

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-04-29 Thread Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers
Hi Laurie, If your experience is that their Beaumont Rag set doesn't work for dancing, then you can let them know you don't want them to play it with you. Ideally in advance before your next gig with them so they can work up something else. On the other hand, this may be fixable. I've played

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-04-28 Thread jim saxe via Contra Callers
Laur, It's hard to describe stuff about music in words and be sure of being clear, so I'm going to illustrate my remarks by citing some recordings. First, there's at least one version of "Beaumont Rag" that's a perfectly fine contra dance contra dance tune. Check out these videos. (Times in

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2022-04-28 Thread Amy Cann via Contra Callers
> If they're a dance band (rather than a bunch of prima donnas) -- Colin Hume > Ay, there’s the rub! -- Hamlet >The origin of the term lies in the ancient game of bowls (which Americans may >know as lawn bowling; nothing to do with tenpin). A rub is some fault in the >surface of the green

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-04-28 Thread Colin Hume via Contra Callers
On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 20:08:28 +, Bill Olson via Contra Callers wrote: > The BAND is suggesting the dance that you should call to a tune they want to > play?? u... > > That ain't how it works. Make it easy on yourself.. You are in control here.. > Just tell the band NOT to play the tune..

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-04-28 Thread Amy Cann via Contra Callers
HOW HAVE I NOT KNOWN THIS DANCE BEFORE THIS MOMENT?? On 4/28/22, Ridge Kennedy via Contra Callers wrote: > Balance the Star qualifies as a chestnut and works well. The stars > encourage a little hand jive action that is a lot of fun. > > Here's my go-to dance for raggy tune sets which stole a

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-04-28 Thread Ridge Kennedy via Contra Callers
Balance the Star qualifies as a chestnut and works well. The stars encourage a little hand jive action that is a lot of fun. Here's my go-to dance for raggy tune sets which stole a good bit from Balance the Star -- and Beaumont would work just fine with it. (And per what I think others said,

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-04-28 Thread Colin Hume via Contra Callers
On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:46:36 -0400, Jacob or Nancy Bloom via Contra Callers wrote: > Balance The Star was written to go to Beaumont Rag. It's a simple dance, > usually done as a Sicilian Circle, so it > may not be what you want for your crowd. That's the one I was going to suggest. Here's how

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-04-27 Thread Laur via Contra Callers
Thank you nice idea Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 10:38 PM, Woody Lane via Contra Callers wrote: Hi Laurir, If the band likes to play Beaumont Rag and can do a good job with it, try asking them to slow down to 120-124 and call a square dance to it.

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-04-27 Thread Laur via Contra Callers
Good one. I also thought of playing it as a end of break come back to dance tune.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 5:14 PM, Tony Parkes wrote: My take: Ask them to play it during the sound check.   At the Concord (MA) Scout House the band used to play a

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2022-04-27 Thread jeff - syncopaths via Contra Callers
As many have said, much depends on HOW a band plays a tune, but I do often like rags for dances with contra corners. J. -- Jeffrey Spero Culver City, CA > On Apr 27, 2022, at 12:50 PM, Laur via Contra Callers > wrote: > > A local band here plays Beaumont Rag As a part of their routine

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-04-27 Thread Woody Lane via Contra Callers
Hi Laurir, If the band likes to play Beaumont Rag and can do a good job with it, try asking them to slow down to 120-124 and call a square dance to it. Particularly a Western or Southern style square (like Texas Star) where you would have lots of flexibility with your calls. No matter how the

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2022-04-27 Thread Tony Parkes via Contra Callers
My take: Ask them to play it during the sound check. At the Concord (MA) Scout House the band used to play a “sound check polka” just before the first contra. Don’t know how widespread a custom that is. Most dancers did a Norwegian polka, though a few did a “standard” polka. Tony Parkes

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-04-27 Thread Jacob or Nancy Bloom via Contra Callers
Here's a link for Balance The Star: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu17uSab8gI On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 5:02 PM Jack Mitchell via Contra Callers < contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > I frequently will choose a “silly“ dance to go with a rag set. I have > frequently used happy as a

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-04-27 Thread Jack Mitchell via Contra Callers
I frequently will choose a “silly“ dance to go with a rag set. I have frequently used happy as a cold pig in warm mud in that slot and encouraged significant silliness in forming the stars that are theoretically with shadows but can also be five pointed stars or six pointed stars. As long as they

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-04-27 Thread Laur via Contra Callers
Thanks for detail and yes that’s the deal - its too stylized to know how they will choose to play it and callers that haven’t danced to the band aren’t prepared for the tune and the disconnection the dancers feel on the floor.  The musicians are not inexperienced, they are good musicians so it

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-04-27 Thread Amy Cann via Contra Callers
Ragtime tunes actually often go *slower* than flat-out reels. Their grove isn't a fast deedlediddledeedlediddledeedlediddledeedlediddledeedlediddledeedlediddle like note-y Irish, or diggachukkadiggachukkadiggachukkadiggachukka like hot southern. They go more like: DAda, da, d'da Da - UH!

[Callers] Re: Need help fitting to a tune

2022-04-27 Thread Bill Olson via Contra Callers
Laur, where are you? Not quite sure I understand here.. The BAND is suggesting the dance that you should call to a tune they want to play?? u... That ain't how it works. Make it easy on yourself.. You are in control here.. Just tell the band NOT to play the tune.. That all said, there are