Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Visiting Tyrone and County Donegal in March to research Ancestors

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Patrick,

You will need to give us some details on which Hagertys and O'Donnells are
yours.

These are all Hagerty-O'Donnell marriages in Donegal, none came up in
Tyrone:

Action Source Surname First Name Year County
View Civil Marriage Hegarty Edward 1864 Co. Donegal
View Church Marriage Hegarty Thomas 1868 Co. Donegal
View Civil Marriage Hegarty Thomas 1868 Co. Donegal
View Civil Marriage Hegarty Patrick 1876 Co. Donegal
View Church Marriage Hegarty Elizabeth 1887 Co. Donegal
View Civil Marriage Hegarty John 1893 Co. Donegal
View Church Marriage Hegarty Michael 1894 Co. Donegal
View Church Marriage Hegarty Frances 1897 Co. Donegal
View Church Marriage Hegarty Bridgit 1899 Co. Donegal
View Civil Marriage Haggerty Denis 1905 Co. Donegal
View Civil Marriage Hegarty Mary 1910 Co. Donegal
View Civil Marriage Hegarty James 1912 Co. Donegal
View Civil Marriage Hegarty William John 1915 Co. Donegal

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On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 19:39, patrick woodcock via CoTyroneList <
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> My wife and I are going to Ireland in march.  While there, we will be
> visiting County Tyrone and County Donegal.  I’m trying to find additional
> information on
> My Ancestor’s, Specifically the Hagerty and O’Donnell lineage.  I believe
> some family member’s lived in Omagh.
>
> Any help with these family names as well as places I should see while in
> the area would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Best regards,
> Patrick Woodcock
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hood and Fulton families of Newtownstewart

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Hi Bruce,

I am assuming that Samuel Hood was connected to the Hoods who owned the
large department store in Newtownstewart and is therefore a well known and
relatively wealthy branch of the Hoods.

Back in 2016, I researched the "minor" branches of Hoods from the
surrounding area, specifically Robert Hood of Lisnafin and James Hood of
Tyrmegan, for a lady in the US.  You will find both of these men in the
Griffiths Valuation.  I found no connection to the Hoods of Newtownstewart,
although, of course, there must have been some connection going back into
the mists of the 18th century.

I have copied this post to your email address so if you get back to me
privately, I will put you in touch with Kathleen and she can share whatever
I found if she so wishes.

Regards,

Boyd

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On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 at 08:14, Bruce Newport via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> I have just joined your mailing list.
>
> A friend sent me a copy of the COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 10, Issue 174,
> 16 August 2015.
>
> It referred to Elizabeth HOOD, daughter of Samuel HOOD, Main Street,
> Newtownstewart, Co Tyrone, who married John ARBERY of Ottery, St Mary,
> Devon, in Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia in 1876, posted by Len SWINDLEY.
>
> There were further messages from Barbara VAUGHAN, K COOPER and Diana.
>
> That Elizabeth HOOD is my 2xgreat-aunt and I have a substantial tree of
> her ancestry and extended family.
>
> I am currently compiling trees of the HOOD families from Newtownstewart
> using genealogical records and DNA information, together with the FULTON
> family of Droit and other associated families.
> I would greatly appreciate contact from anyone else related to those
> families.
>
> Bruce Newport, Melbourne, Australia.
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Black and Hillman

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Hi Bill,

Unfortunately there are at least six James Blacks living in Tyrone in the
Griffiths Valuation of 1859, which records every head of household.  This
means you need some more clues.

There will be no civil birth for Alexander, which would be a clincher as
Alexander is a much less common name, because civil registration only began
in 1845.  And there are no births to a couple called Black and Hillman
after 1864, which might have been possible if Alexander had been an early
child.

Nor will there be a marriage because I am assuming Alexander was not
married, aged 20, when he left for Canada.  There are three marriages of a
James Black between the start of civil registration of marriages in 1845
and the birth of Alexander in 1851 but none to a Mary Hillman.

But you probably know all of this.

Is there no indication of the parish or other place name from whence
Alexander came in any of his Canadian records?

Regards,

Boyd

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On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 14:07, Lynton Stewart via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> I am searching for any evidence of a James Black (believed to have been
> born in Scotland), living in County Tyrone around 1848-1871.
>
> He had a son, Alexander Black, who was born in August, 1851.  Alexander
> emigrated to Canada in 1871, reportedly as a "Remittance Man", paid an
> annual sum NOT to return to Ireland.  He was an active member of the Orange
> Order in Canada, so I would presume that his father was also. In Canada,
> Alexander used the surname of Hillman-Black, and said that his mother was
> Mary Hillman.
>
> He sailed from Londonderry in April 1871, arriving in Quebec on May 2.
>
> I have searched the online Irish records, without success.
>
> I would greatly appreciate any information, or clues, to help me find the
> family of my paternal great-grandfather.
>
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Help needed marriage of Patrick Duffin, 1838, Donaghenry

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Patrick McQuinn and Ann Duffin are married .  And Patrick Duffin and
Francis McWigan are witnesses.  And McWigan is definitely the same as
McQuigan.  As McQuinn might be too.

Couldn't not try to help a Peggy Gordon even if she is not my darling.

B

On Mon, 25 Mar 2019, 02:33 Peggy Gordon via CoTyroneList, <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Hello, I really need some help. I have found what may be the marriage
> record of Patrick Duffin in Donaghenry  Feb 22, 1838. Trouble is, I  am not
> sure if it is  his marriage or if he is a witness. The time is about right
> for his  marriage record. I have not been able to find the name of his wife
> previously and he is supposed to have had a daughter Sarah 1839-1841 and
> son Joseph abt 1842. These children are mentioned in his  will of 1896/7
> although his wife is not mentioned, and he was a widower at time of death.
> The baptism records are missing 1840-1849 although I may have found Sarah
> Jan 28, 1839,with no mother listed.
> The possible marriage record names Francis McWigan. Could that be the same
> as McQuigan?
> Microfilm 05583 / 02
>  |
> Page 115
> Donaghenry; County of Tyrone; Archdiocese of Armagh. Marriages, Feb. 1838
> to Nov. 1838
> Thanks for any help
> Peggy
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Henderson Family Notes, Cos. Tyrone, Donegal & Londonderry

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Apposite timing, Len, I am just working on a Henderson feasibility study
and searching newspapers is never a first priority for that as it is so
difficult to extract each morsel.

Just one quibble with all those "Esquires", I doubt my dirt poor
farmers in Carnteel are going to feature large!

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On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 at 10:54, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Henderson Family Notes, Co. Tyrone 1823-70
>  *- updated*
>
> *Henderson Family Notes, Co. Londonderry 1831-70
> *
>
> *Henderson Family Notes, Co. Donegal 1830-70
> *
>
> *Thanks again to Len Swindley for THREE more great additions to CTI!*
>
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneList need help

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Christine,

I am assuming both sets married in England.  Do you have their marriage
certs?  We need to know the names of the fathers.  Even then, it will be
very difficult without something more to go on than Tyrone because there
are no Civil Births before 1864.  But at least a name of the father, and
better still, a place, would enable us to look in the Griffiths Valuation
land survey of the 1850s.

Omagh as a place of birth is probably spurious, something that comes from a
very old LDS database because very few people were actually born "IN" Omagh
as opposed to the Omagh area.  And it is not a registration district
because, as i said, it is pre civil registration.

So, more clues needed, I think.

Regards,

Boyd

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 16:28, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Hello Christine - posting a message on this Mailing List is the correct
> method of seeking assistance; HOWEVER please in future delete all the
> non-pertinent text from the email so we don't overload everyone's email
> unnecessarily
>
> As for Searches, it's really simple!  Just go to our homepage at
> CoTyroneIreland.com; then near the top of the page you will see two large
> icons - one is to search the Every Name Database which we are building;
> however, since it is not fully completed, you may need to use the Search
> Hub icon to the right.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Good luck
> Jim
> Jim McKane
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>
>
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:57 AM Christine migala via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not entirely clear on how to ask for help with information or do my
>> own searches on the website. Please advise. Thank you, Christine.
>>
>> Our family left Ireland presumably for work and food. My father's people
>> left for America, my mother's people headed to England.
>> I have been looking for more information on these two sets:
>>
>> Charles McGinn
>> BIRTH ABT. 1846 • Omagh, Tyrone, Ireland
>> DEATH JUN 1891 • Durham, Tyne and Wear, United Kingdom
>> 2nd great-grandfather
>> married to
>> Mary Hamilton
>> BIRTH 11 JAN 1847 • Omagh, Tyrone, Ireland
>> DEATH AFTER 1911
>>
>> and
>>
>> Cornelius O'Kane
>> BIRTH 1842 • Ballybraddin, Loughguile, Co. Antrim, Ireland
>> DEATH 1919 • Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
>> great-grandfather
>> married to
>> Margaret McConnell
>> 1855–1903
>> BIRTH 1855 • Tarland, Antrim, Ireland
>> DEATH 1903 • Tynemouth, Northumberland
>> great-grandmother
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Using a researcher

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Hi Margaret,

I am a "researcher" currently working on a project very similar to the one
you describe.  And after weeks of research, I have not found that magical
"smoking gun" which you seem to desire.  Thankfully, I am not being
expected to do so and I made that clear at the start when I offered to
help.  It is as simple as this.  If the records do not exist, no amount of
research, by anyone other than a magic fairy, is ever going to find that
definitive link for which you seek.  In the end, it will all come down to
probabilities.  If you have researched every birth, marriage and death,
every land record from the Tithe Applotment Books, through the Griffiths
Valuation AND beyond through the Griffiths Valuation Revision Books,
through their overlap with the censuses and right through to their end
circa 1930, then you will have sufficient sense of the family in that area
to know whether they are your folks, to withing 80% or 90% degree of
certainty.  But you can not expect even a professional researcher to magic
up a record which does not exist.

Just like you, we found a Christopher Irwin, but not the Christopher Irwin
who emigrated to Ontario in 1850 because this Christopher Irwin was still
in Co Tyrone when he died in 1906.  But, we have done enough work on this
branch of the Irwins, compared to other Irwins from County Tyrone, which
was the only clue given by Canadian records, to be reasonably sure we have
the right Irwins.  But no smoking gun.  No family bible.  No record from a
list of sources which simply does not exist.  No researcher with a magic
wand.  If you need to know what sources are actually available, have a look
here at the helpful hints, workshop videos, sources and links:
https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/

That is the reality.

Keep researching, do not give up, but do not look for the impossible
though, who knows you may strike lucky and find that mythicak family
bible.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Boyd

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 at 21:42, margaret marion via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> I have grown more and more frustrated with my research in Northern
> Ireland.  Has anyone ever used a researcher?  Was it a good experience?
> Can anyone recommend someone?
> I have done my research for Samuel Armstrong born 1811 and his son William
> born 1852, Tyrone, Northern Ireland.
> I have done Griffith's Valuation and the census from 1901 and 1911.
> I centered on the Armstrong's of Sixmilecross.  I went there because in
> Griffith's Valuation, they had a Samuel Armstrong.
> I now know that it is not my Samuel Armstrong.  I figure he came to Canada
> in 1860 - 1862.
> The Samuel Armstrong of Sixmilecross is present right into the late
> 1800's.
> this is what frustrated me to the most.
> I have done the family tree for the Armstrong's of Sixmilecross back to
> 1797 with Isaac Armstrong, father Francis, I believe, but not lots of proof.
> My own guess is Samuel is a younger brother of Isaac.  But absolutely no
> proof.
> Hence the reason I am thinking of getting a researcher for a bit.
> Any advice would be appreciated.
> Margaret Marion
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] William IRWIN

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Gr. "That is because most Irwins were PROTESTANT ( not Catholic)
but not all."

On Sun, 2 Dec 2018, 14:37 Boyd Gray  Hi David,
>
> I am currently researching the Irwins of Claremore, Parish of Clogher,
> County Tyrone, who also emigrated to Ontario.  But since they came from
> Clogher, that means they are NOT your Irwins.  Except for the fact that we
> are not 100% sure our Irwins did come from Clogher and you do not seem too
> sure that yours came from Ardboe (Arboe?) because Ardboe is not the same
> place as Castlederg and if they came from one, it is highly unlikely they
> also came from the other.  (I live in this part of the world and my Grays
> are NOT related to the all the other Grays in County Tyrone!)  I should
> also add that I have never heard of Benbeg and it is not in this list of
> townlands for County Tyrone:
> https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/
>
> So, the point of my response to you, David, is that you really need to
> work on the following points in order to make progress with your research:
>
> 1.  You need something, anything, from their lives in Canada, to give you
> a place name to work with in your research.  Why Ardboe?  Why Castlederg?
> It is really unlikely to be both.  What evidence do you have from Canada,
> or England, not just the discovery of similar names in Ireland?  Canadian
> deaths, and especially Ontario deaths, often give the place where people
> were born and also, perhaps even more helpfully, the names of both parents
> including the mother's maiden name.  English 19th century censuses may also
> be more helpful.
>
> 2.  If the older William was born between 1820 and 1830, it is likely he
> married after 1845 and that is when Protestant marriages were first
> recorded by the civil authorities here in Ireland and those records are
> online.  So, you need to know the name of his wife and look for that
> marriage.  It is unlikely the younger William and his brother Robert were
> born before 1864, so you will not find their civil births because they only
> started being recorded in 1864.  That is a task for church records and they
> are NOT online so cannot be researched at the click of a mouse.
> Incidentally, I am assuming they were Protestant (Church of Ireland,
> Presbyterian or Methodist typically).  That is because most Irwins were
> Catholic but not all.  So, you need to establish that first.  Catholic
> church records ARE online.
>
> If you can answer these questions, then get back to us and I am sure
> people will be able to help.
>
> You might also consider checking with this group to see if they know of
> any Ardboes or Benbegs near Castlederg:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/castledergfamilyhistorysociety/
> (Actually, I did it for you so you can go there and see what they say.)
>
> Regards,
>
> Boyd
>
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>
>
>
> On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 at 12:58, David Irwin via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
>> Please can you post the following on the Co Tyrone message board?
>>
>>
>>
>> I am researching William IRWIN, b1820-30ish near Ardboe in Co Tyrone. My
>> understanding is that he had two sons, William and Robert who both
>> emigrated to England in the late 1800s. However I think William (the
>> father) emigrated to Huron County, Ontario Canada and died there in 1889.
>> The family may also have spent the early part of their time in Northern
>> Ireland in the Castlederg or Benbeg areas. I would be delighted to hear
>> from anyone who can add to the story please, particularly as my father
>> William (yes another one!) and a direct descendant has recently passed
>> away. Thank you
>>
>>
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> David
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] William IRWIN

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Hi David,

I am currently researching the Irwins of Claremore, Parish of Clogher,
County Tyrone, who also emigrated to Ontario.  But since they came from
Clogher, that means they are NOT your Irwins.  Except for the fact that we
are not 100% sure our Irwins did come from Clogher and you do not seem too
sure that yours came from Ardboe (Arboe?) because Ardboe is not the same
place as Castlederg and if they came from one, it is highly unlikely they
also came from the other.  (I live in this part of the world and my Grays
are NOT related to the all the other Grays in County Tyrone!)  I should
also add that I have never heard of Benbeg and it is not in this list of
townlands for County Tyrone:
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/

So, the point of my response to you, David, is that you really need to work
on the following points in order to make progress with your research:

1.  You need something, anything, from their lives in Canada, to give you a
place name to work with in your research.  Why Ardboe?  Why Castlederg?  It
is really unlikely to be both.  What evidence do you have from Canada, or
England, not just the discovery of similar names in Ireland?  Canadian
deaths, and especially Ontario deaths, often give the place where people
were born and also, perhaps even more helpfully, the names of both parents
including the mother's maiden name.  English 19th century censuses may also
be more helpful.

2.  If the older William was born between 1820 and 1830, it is likely he
married after 1845 and that is when Protestant marriages were first
recorded by the civil authorities here in Ireland and those records are
online.  So, you need to know the name of his wife and look for that
marriage.  It is unlikely the younger William and his brother Robert were
born before 1864, so you will not find their civil births because they only
started being recorded in 1864.  That is a task for church records and they
are NOT online so cannot be researched at the click of a mouse.
Incidentally, I am assuming they were Protestant (Church of Ireland,
Presbyterian or Methodist typically).  That is because most Irwins were
Catholic but not all.  So, you need to establish that first.  Catholic
church records ARE online.

If you can answer these questions, then get back to us and I am sure people
will be able to help.

You might also consider checking with this group to see if they know of any
Ardboes or Benbegs near Castlederg:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/castledergfamilyhistorysociety/
(Actually, I did it for you so you can go there and see what they say.)

Regards,

Boyd

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https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/

http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/




On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 at 12:58, David Irwin via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Please can you post the following on the Co Tyrone message board?
>
>
>
> I am researching William IRWIN, b1820-30ish near Ardboe in Co Tyrone. My
> understanding is that he had two sons, William and Robert who both
> emigrated to England in the late 1800s. However I think William (the
> father) emigrated to Huron County, Ontario Canada and died there in 1889.
> The family may also have spent the early part of their time in Northern
> Ireland in the Castlederg or Benbeg areas. I would be delighted to hear
> from anyone who can add to the story please, particularly as my father
> William (yes another one!) and a direct descendant has recently passed
> away. Thank you
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>
> David
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Knox and Patton Families: Clady Presbyterian Church, Ardstraw Parish Marriages 1845-68

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Hi Marsha,

Apologies for not responding sooner but I only just noticed this thread.

I have researched both the Knox family of Glentimon and the Patton family
of Seein extensively for two Americans who will be "cousins" of yours  and
I am sure they will be happy to share when I contact them.  Both visited
me, Margaret Kuska in 2015 and Patton Adams earlier this summer.  If you
check out my West Ulster Genealogy Facebook page, you will see reports of
both research projects plus the visits of Margaret and Patton.

On the Knox family especially I have a very large collection of data.
Walter Knox, who had at least 8 siblings, was the son of a James Knox,
1772-1852, who married Martha Wilson, grandson of Walter Knox, who married
Margaret McCrea, great grandson of Robert Knox, born c1710.  This family
has a huge connection around Sion Mills; they married into the Woods
family, who now own the land.  Walter had at least two children, James
Patton Knox, who married Minnie Young and John Knox, who married Rose
Cunningham, both brothers living in Iowa at the time.

I have less on the Pattons because I never tied these Pattons into the
Pattons I was researching.  However, Walter's father, James Patton,
1795-1870, held Plot 8 in Seein, of circa 33 acres, where he lived along
with an Eliza Patton, possibly his mother.

Please feel free to contact me direct.

Regards,

Boyd

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On 11 August 2018 at 17:21, Dave Mitchell via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Hello Marsha
>
>
>
> Just to add another snippet to your Knox-Patton relationship (just in case
> it may assist) ….
>
>
>
> PRONI lists the will for Letitia Patton of Ballymagorry (died 27 June
> 1928), the wife of Patrick Patton, retired farmer.
>
>
>
> Under her maiden name, she is mentioned as “Letitia Chambers” in the will
> of her uncle John Knox at Drumenny (died 3 November 1898).  It would appear
> that her mother was a Knox from a family at Urney (and also Drumenny), also
> that Letitia was a niece of Rev. Robert Knox, Linenhall Street, Belfast,
> and a granddaughter of Hugh Knox of Urney (lived at Stephenstown), the
> longstanding church elder who died at Urney on 2 July 1852.
>
>
>
> Should this help you, please do drop me a line.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> David Mitchell
>
> Cape Town
>
> South Africa
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CoTyroneList  *On
> Behalf Of *Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
> *Sent:* 09 August 2018 01:35 PM
> *To:* Marsha Heaston 
> *Cc:* Len Swindley ;
> CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com
> *Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Knox and Patton Families: Clady
> Presbyterian Church, Ardstraw Parish Marriages 1845-68
>
>
>
> Hello Marsha,
>
>
>
> There are several of my files on CoTyroneIreland.com
> http://www.cotyroneireland.com/ that contain a great amount of data on
> your KNOX and PATTON forebears. The townlands of Glentimon and Sion (spelt
> variously) are both located in Urney Parish:
>
>
>
> TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK URNEY PARISH 1825-27 http://www.cotyroneireland.
> com/tithe/urney_tithe.html
>
>
>
> SPINNING WHEEL BOUNTY LIST URNEY PARISH 1796 INDEXED
> http://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/spinning-wheel-URNEY.html
>
>
>
> URNEY PRESBYTERIAN STIPEND PAYERS AND PEW HOLDERS 1862
> http://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/urney_stipend.html
>
>
>
> URNEY PRESBYTERIAN MARRIAGES 1845-71 http://www.cotyroneireland.
> com/marriages/urney.html
>
>
>
> URNEY PARISH MARRIAGE ANNOUNCEMENTS 1826-69 http://www.cotyroneireland.
> com/marriages/UrneyMarriages.html
>
>
>
> URNEY PARISH DEATH ANNOUNCEMENTS 1826-69 http://www.cotyroneireland.
> com/burial/urney.html
>
>
>
> KNOX FAMILY NOTES CO. TYRONE http://www.cotyroneireland.
> com/surnames/knox.html
>
>
>
> ABERCORN ESTATE RENTAL FOR THE MANOR OF STRABANE 1806
> http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/abercorn_strabane2.html
>
>
>
> There will be several further files that should prove useful, but those
> above contain the greatest amount of data. And many thanks for your kind
> sentiments; I enjoy receiving messages from researchers who have benefitted
> from my submissions. Good luck searching the above records and regards,
>
>
>
> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
>
> Volunteer transcriber and submitter of records to CoTyroneIreland.com
> http://www.cotyroneireland.com/
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Marsha Heaston 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 9, 2018 2:26:02 AM
> *To:* len_swind...@hotmail.com
> *Subject:* Clady Presbyterian Church, Ardstraw Parish Marriages 1845-68
>
>
>
> Dear Sir,
>
>
>
> I would like to thank you for transcribing these records.  From this
> transcription I learned where my Great, great Grandfather lived in
> Ireland.  It continues to be a journey to find him in the US.  Apparently
> his wife left and returned to Ireland 

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 215, Issue 1

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Tee hee born 1850, no wonder I could not find him.  He was hardly "a
child" when he emigrated in 1880!!

So, here is his Philly death cert:

Name: Rev James Trainor
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age: 59
Birth Date: 1856
Birth Place: Ireland
Death Date: 18 Jan 1916
Death Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Father: James Trainor
Mother: Mary Mc Carron
Certificate Number: 14012

with the details such as mother's maiden name, needed to help locate
him in Ireland, except that he was born before civil records began in 1864,
which complicates matters.

Luckily, RootsIreland has the records for his local church online, so here
is his baptism:

 Church Baptism Record
Name: James Trenor Date of Birth:
  Date of Baptism: 26-Nov-1854
Address: Seskinore Parish/District: BERAGH
Gender: Unknown County TYRONE
Father: James Trenor Mother: Mary Mccarron
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Daniel
Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Margaret Gallagher

And here is his father in the GV:

Griffith's Valuation Record Information
Tenant
Family Name 1 TRAYNOR
Forename 1 JAMES
Landlord
Family Name 2 MCCLINTOCK
Forename 2 GEORGE P.
Location
County TYRONE
Barony OMAGH, EAST
Union OMAGH
Parish CLOGHERNY
Townland SESKINORE
Place Name SESKINORE
Place Type TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page 4
Printing Date 1860
Act 15&16
Sheet Number 43,51
Map Reference 38
James Traynor senior had a small 8 acre farm.

And that means, you can find exactly where he lived using the maps at :

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

Now, if you want to find out if he had family left in the area, you need to
start chasing up those Tranors using the GVRBs and then the two censuses of
1901 and 1911.

Hope this helps, Patricia.

Boyd

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On 16 July 2018 at 16:26, Barbara Finizia via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Philadelphia Inquirer
> Sunday, Jan 02, 1916
> Philadelphia, PA
> Vol: 174
> Issue: 2
> Page: 14
>
> Is his obit Patricia
> If you need a copy Patricia I will copy
>
> Barbara
>
> James F Trainor
> Born 1850
> Ordained 1881
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:01 AM, dm60--- via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pati
>>
>> One of the gurus at the Ulster Historical Foundation (or still linked to
>> the UHF) is Dr Brian Trainor, one time head of PRONI.
>>
>> Can't  be much on Trainor in Ireland that Brian hasn't encountered or
>> dabbled with in his extensive career!
>>
>> Warm regards
>>
>>
>> Dave Mitchell
>> UGHG No.202
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Mary Redline via CoTyroneList" > >
>> *To: *cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
>> *Cc: *"Mary Redline" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 16, 2018 03:47:07 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 215, Issue
>> 1
>>
>> Dear Patricia:
>>
>> Did you try contacting the archdiocese in Philadelphia to see if they
>> have any files or additional information for him?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Patricia Trainor Link via CoTyroneList <
>> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>
>> To: cotyronelist 
>> Cc: patiandbutch 
>> Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 8:29 am
>> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 215, Issue 1
>>
>> Help!
>>I have written to 3 parishes in Tyrone, Omagh, trying to locate the
>> family of:
>>  James Trainor who left Omagh as a child circa 1880 with family for
>> the USA via Cobh. Settled in Philadelphia. James became a Monsignor in the
>> Philadelphia archdiocese.
>>   Haven't heard anything. Suggestions?
>> Pati Trainor Link
>>  A
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>> Men and Armes in the Barony of Clogher (Jim McKane)
>> 3. CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Wilson Family Notes, Co.
>> Tyrone 1823-79 - updated (Jim McKane)
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 215, Issue 1

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Coming up empty here, Patricia.

I cannot find any such birth registered in Omagh Reg Dist and I cannot find
James in the 1900 or 1910 US Fed Census, to see what details he gives, nor
in Philly deaths, which are usually so helpful.  Do you have any more
details on him.  Names of parents?  Death date?  Siblings?

Boyd

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On 16 July 2018 at 13:28, Patricia Trainor Link via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Help!
>I have written to 3 parishes in Tyrone, Omagh, trying to locate the
> family of:
>  James Trainor who left Omagh as a child circa 1880 with family for
> the USA via Cobh. Settled in Philadelphia. James became a Monsignor in the
> Philadelphia archdiocese.
>   Haven't heard anything. Suggestions?
>
> Pati Trainor Link
>  A
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> --
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> - Sir William Stewart, Knight, Undertaker of 4, 000 acres: His
> Men and Armes in the Barony of Clogher (Jim McKane)
> 3. CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Wilson Family Notes, Co.
> Tyrone 1823-79 - updated (Jim McKane)
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 14:40:19 -0400
> From: Jim McKane 
> To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List"
> 
> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Volunteers Indexing
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hi Listers -
>
> We have a great group of volunteers working in indexing for the new
> database. I want to thank them for coming forward.
>
> Of course, if you have a little spare time and energy, we could sure use
> more assistance.
>
> Have a GREAT weekend,
> Jim
>
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> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content -
> Tyrone Muster Rolls, 1631 - Sir William Stewart, Knight, Undertaker of
> 4, 000 acres: His Men and Armes in the Barony of Clogher
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> Tyrone Muster Rolls, 1631 - Sir William Stewart, Knight, Undertaker of
> 4,000 acres: His Men and Armes in the Barony of Clogher
> 
>
> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!
>
> Jim McKane
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] The Irish Origins of McCain Frozen Potato Chips

[Boyd Gray]

S, the frozen chip people came from Castlefin?

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On 10 July 2018 at 13:39, James McKane  wrote:

> Thanks, Len, for a GREAT piece of info on my very distant cousins.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim McKane
> South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 7:37 AM Len Swindley 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Listers,
>>
>>
>>
>> An interesting item from 1889:
>>
>>
>>
>> Londonderry Sentinel, August 6 1889
>>
>>
>>
>> July 4, at the bride’s residence, Florenceville, New Brunswick, by the
>> Rev. George Howard, SAMUEL, son of the late WILLIAM McCAIN (formerly of
>> Meenahoney, Castlefin, Ireland), to MARY REBECCA, only surviving daughter
>> of the late JOHN MACKAY, of Florenceville (formerly of Ballindrait,
>> Ireland).
>>
>>
>>
>> Although residents of Co. Donegal, both the McCain and Mackay/ Mackey
>> families would have attended Market and Fair days in Strabane, Co. Tyrone
>> and hired their servants at the famed Strabane Hiring Fair.
>>
>>
>>
>> The McCain’s were kinsmen of the forebears of our webmaster, Jim McKane.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Improving Searches on CTI - RESPONSE REQUIRED

[Boyd Gray]

Jim,

On balance, I would say it is not worthwhile.

Yes, it is very useful, almost essential, for big databases such as the
TABs.  And I would dearly love someone to do it for Catholic Parish
Records!!  But the amount of work required in order to do it for the
multifarious sources in CTI is just not a good way to spend your time, in
my opinion anyway.

I have found plenty of useful information by a judicious use of your
current simple search system.  I try various combinations of people's names
and townland names or churches or parishes and then the little headings
that are thrown up are usually enough for me to tell which will be useful.
This is very often how I find Len's transcriptions of BMD notices in old
newspapers.

Others may think different but my advice would be to leave it.  Your search
engine for TABs is a great help but that only works because it is one
database.

Regards,

Boyd

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On 6 July 2018 at 13:25, Jim McKane  wrote:

> Hi CTI Supporters -
>
> PROBLEM -  as you know using any search engine to locate individual names
> on any website leaves a lot to be desired. As an example typing "james
> mckane" into any search engine will find instances of James McKane with the
> two words beside each other and in that order only.  If you only type james
> mckane (without the quotes) you then get every page with the two words
> anywhere on those pages. meaning you might find Thomas McKane and
> James Smith in your results but not James McKane.
>
> INVESTIGATION - I have invested a lot of time lately including investing
> in considerable with a professional programmer  in an attempt to find an
> automated solution to the problem which has resulted in. there is
> NO easy way!  Why?  Well the major reason is CTI has far too many types of
> records in far too many formats to automate the process.
>
> SOLUTION - The ONLY solution is plain brute force meaning
> manually creating spreadsheet lists of surnames and firstnames for each
> page on CTI. I would then massage those lists into a fully searchable
> database similar to the one recently created for the Tithe Applotment Books.
>
> QUESTIONS FOR YOU -
>
>- Do you feel this is a worthwhile project?
>- If so, would you be willing to type some lists for us?
>- If so, please give us an idea of how many hour/days/weeks you might
>expect to dedicate to our project.
>
> If you wish to keep your responses private, please email me directly
> off-list at j...@mckane.ca
>
> Thanks for your consideration,
> Jim McKane, webmaster
>
>
>
> Jim McKane
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Function - Search ALL Tithe Applotment Books

[Boyd Gray]

This is excellent, Jim!!

I was researching Haddens of the area around Augnacloy for a lady on here a
few days ago and, as usual, the "normal" TAB websites at the National
Archives and FamilySearch gave NO TAB records for Tyrone.  So, as always,
it was off to CTI - but to find them there, I needed to know which parish
to check, and I did not.  It took some clicking before I found them.  And
then I always have difficulty copying and pasting the info as it leaves
huge gaps.

Now everything has changed.  Put Hadden into the database and in a trice
this appears, and copies perfectly:

Surname Firstname Townland Parish
HADDEN George Cumber Aghaloo 1825
HADDEN George Dromore Aghaloo 1825
HADDEN James Dromore Aghaloo 1825
HADDEN John Dromore Aghaloo 1825
HADDEN Robert Crilly Aghaloo 1825
HADDEN Robert Cumber Aghaloo 1825
HADDEN Samuel Annaghsallagh Aghaloo 1825
HADDEN Samuel Dromore Aghaloo 1825
HADDEN George Cumber Aghaloo 1837
HADDEN George Dromore Aghaloo 1837
HADDEN James Dromore Aghaloo 1837
HADDEN James Raghahy Aghaloo 1837
HADDEN John Dromore Aghaloo 1837
HADDEN Robert Crilly Aghaloo 1837
HADDEN Robt. Cumber Aghaloo 1837
HADDEN Samuel Anaghsallagh Aghaloo 1837
HADDEN Samuel Dromore Aghaloo 1837
HADDEN Archibald Knockadreen Carnteel 1827
HADDEN James Doolargy Carnteel 1827
HADDEN John Armalughey Carnteel 1827
HADDEN John Doolargy Carnteel 1827
HADDEN John Goland Carnteel 1827
HADDEN Joseph Goland Carnteel 1827
HADDEN Widow Aughnacloy Carnteel 1827
HADDEN Widow Doolargy Carnteel 1827
HADDEN James Ferrater Killeeshil 1829

Arranged by parish, I can see where the Haddens are most prevalent, and
since I did not enter the townland, I could see how Knockadreen was spelled.

And on top of that, I get BOTH TABs!

What more could a researcher ask for?

Thanks again, Jim, Len and whoever created the database.

Regards,

Boyd

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On 12 June 2018 at 20:57, Dennis Wright  wrote:

> Fantastic a great new tool!!!
>
>
>
> Dennis Wright
>
> Las Vegas
>
>
>
> *From:* CoTyroneList [mailto:cotyronelist-boun...@cotyroneireland.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Jim McKane
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2018 5:47 AM
> *To:* cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
> *Subject:* [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Function -
> Search ALL Tithe Applotment Books
>
>
>
> We have created a database of ALL records in the Tithe Applotment Books
> which have been transcribed on CoTyroneIreland.com. This feature allows a
> complete search with one command; however, please also remember there could
> be more info on the Parish transcription page as well.
>
>
>
> *Search ALL Tithe Applotment Books transcribed on CTI with one command
> *
>
>
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> Jim McKane
>
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Australian family link

[Boyd Gray]

Hi Rachel,

There is not a shadow of a doubt that these are your people.  Lucinda/Lucy
is such an unusual name that there will not be two of them called Haddon,
another unusual name.

And Ochnaclan is definitely Aughnacloy.  However, it is unfortunate that
you cut the column titles off the immigration document because I am not
sure what Ochnaclan refers to since it says that John and Lucy Haddon are
both living at Clogher.  Clogher is about three miles west of Aughnacloy.

This is the townland (small, usually rural, area) of Knockadreen, a mile
north east of the town of Aughnacloy:

https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/lower-dungannon/clanteel/knockadreen/

And a weaver was what many farm labourers called themselves simply because
they did a bit of weaving over the winter when farm labouring was not in
demand.  It sounded a bit grander.

As a farm labourer. John Hadden will have moved around as work became
available on different farms.  Here he is, in Doolargy or Golan, along with
all the other Haddens, including an Archibald in Knockadreen, in the 1825
Tithe Applotment Books - courtesy
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/titheindex.html:

HADDEN
Archibald
Knockadreen
HADDEN
James
Doolargy
HADDEN
John
Armalughey
HADDEN
John
Doolargy
HADDEN
John
Goland
HADDEN
Joseph
Goland
HADDEN
Widow
Aughnacloy

But by the 1837 TABs, there has been quite a bit of movement:

HADDEN
Widow
Doolargy
HADDEN
George
Cumber
HADDEN
George
Dromore
HADDEN
James
Dromore
HADDEN
John
Dromore
HADDEN
Robert
Crilly
HADDEN
Robert
Cumber
HADDEN
Samuel
Annaghsallagh
HADDEN
Samuel
Dromore

(LEN!!  Are you watching this?!!  Grins)

Sadly, this may well be John's death:

Civil Death Record
Name: John Hadden Date of Death: 31-Aug-1872
Age: 80 Parish / District: CLOGHER
Address: Workhouse Clogher County: TYRONE
Status: Married Registration District
Occupation: PAUPER Sex: Male
Graveyard Informant
Graveyard: Relationship: Chief Resident Off.
Parish: Name: H. Lynch
County: Address: Workhouse Clogher

This is probably John in 1860 in the Griffiths Valuation land survey:

Griffith's Valuation Record Information
Tenant
Family Name 1 HADDON
Forename 1 JOHN
Landlord
Family Name 2 CALEDON
Forename 2 EARL OF
Location
County TYRONE
Barony DUNGANNON, LOWER
Union ARMAGH
Parish AGHALOO
Townland DROMORE
Place Name DROMORE
Place Type TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page 44
Printing Date 1860
Act 15&16
Sheet Number 66
Map Reference 14

If it is, then there will be maps showing the exact location of his home.

And this could also be a connection of your John Haddon, who registered
Archibald Haddon's death; remember, Archibald lived in Knockadreen at one
time:

Burial/Death Record
Name: Archibald Hadden Date of Death: 07-Apr-1886
Age: 84 Parish / District: AGHALOO
Address: Doolargy County: TYRONE
Status: Married Roman Catholic
Occupation: FARMER Sex: Male
Graveyard Informant
Graveyard: Relationship: Son
Parish: Name: John Hadden
County: Address: Doolargy
Notes:
OLD AGE  UNCERTIFIED.

Lots more could be done on all of this.  Just hope you come back to see it,
Rachel.

Regards,

Boyd


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On 10 June 2018 at 12:26, Liam Ó Cuinn  wrote:

> Could Ochnaclan be Aughnacloy?
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Griffith's Valuation Online

[Boyd Gray]

Hi Len,

A small point.

As you say, the TABs are essential for researching the previous generation
and the only place to find them for Tyrone is at CTI, where you have
transcribed them.  And they are essential viewing IF you know which parish
to research.

However, I am often searching for a family in the 1820s/30s where the only
location known is Co Tyrone.  This is easy for the GV as the website allows
one to search by county but I cannot do that with the CTI database.  How
hard would it be to merge the TAB data which is currently divided by
parish, into a database covering the whole of Tyrone which would then be
easily searchable.  Think the Hacketts in that email we commented upon
yesterday.

Best wishes,

Boyd

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On 23 May 2018 at 14:15, Len Swindley  wrote:

> Yes, Kathleen, Askaboutireland   http://www.askaboutireland.
> ie/griffith-valuation/ is a great website for searching for entries
> contained in the c1860 Griffiths Valuation – both by surname AND location.
> Remember that phonetic spelling of family names was most common in
> Griffiths, so it is useful to consider variations in spelling. The facility
> to upload data and photographs has been available since 2011
>
>
>
> Also, the indexed Tithe Applotment Books of the 1820s and 1830s for Co.
> Tyrone are essential for researching the previous generation: the most
> extensive database for all Tyrone parishes is available on the
> CountyTyroneIreland website http://www.cotyroneireland.
> com/tithe/titheindex.html
>
>
>
> I hope that you have found some useful data amongst the many files on CTI.
> All good wishes,
>
> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
> --
> *From:* CoTyroneList  on behalf
> of K Cooper 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2018 8:17:37 AM
> *To:* CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Griffith's Valuation Online
>
> Periodically, I go back and check Griffith's again - especially if I find
> a link to a new family. This time I noticed the option to add information,
> photos, etc., to the record. Is this new or have I suddenly opened my eyes
> to something that has been there all along?  It's a great idea.
>
> Kathleen Cooper
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 12:05 PM Jim McKane  wrote:
>
>> Griffith's Valuation is FREELY available & fully searchable online at -
>>
>> http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?
>> action=nameSearch
>>
>> Here you may search for only a Surname or include other options to search
>> the WHOLE database at one time.
>>
>> Enjoy and Good Luck
>>
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hackett's of County Tyrone

[Boyd Gray]

Hi Carol,

There are more Hacketts than I would have thought in Tyrone, and almost no
records back in the 1820s.

I was just looking for similar names and would suggest these folks from the
Parish of Errigal Keerogue, near Dungannon:

Index to Tithe Applotment Books for Errigal Keeroque Parish, Co. Tyrone,
1832
PRONI Ref.: FIN 5A/139/2; LDS FHL Film #258458
Transcribed, compiled and submitted by Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
len_swindley[at]hotmail.com
HACKET Andrew - Altnagore
HACKET John - Findrim
HACKET Joseph - Killymorgan
HACKET Willm., Junr. - Killymorgan
HACKET Willm., Senr. - Killymorgan
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/errigal_keerogue.html

Griffith's Valuation Record Information
Tenant
Family Name 1 HACKETT
Forename 1 THOMAS
Landlord
Family Name 2 STEWART
Forename 2 JOHN M.
Prefix SIR
Location
County TYRONE
Barony CLOGHER
Union CLOGHER
Parish ERRIGAL KEEROGUE
Townland ALTNAGORE
Place Name ALTNAGORE
Place Type TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page 32
Printing Date 1860
Act 15&16
Sheet Number 52,53
Map Reference 10

Civil Marriage Record
Date of Marriage: 09-Sep-1856
Parish / District: DUNGANNON County: TYRONE
Husband Wife
Name: Robert Hacket Isabella Hackett
Address: Carrickaderry Clontibret Drumhirk Donaghmore
Occupation: FARMER
Age: 22 22
Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: Andrew Hacket Andrew Hackett
Address:
Occupation: FARMER FARMER
Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Occupation:
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: John Hackett John Hacket
Address:
Notes:
DUNGANNON FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH PARISH OF DRUMGLASS..AGES GIVEN AS
FULL OVER 21.

Burial/Death Record
Name: Jane Hackett Date of Death: 11-Jun-1876
Age: 80 Parish / District: ERRIGAL KIERAN
Address: Altnagore County: TYRONE
Status: Widow (Female) Roman Catholic
Occupation: FARMERS WIDOW Sex: Female
Graveyard Informant
Graveyard: Relationship: Occupier
Parish: Name: James Lockhart
County: Address: Altnagore
Notes:
OLD AGE UNCERTIFIED.

Sorry I cannot be more help.

Regards,

Boyd

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On 22 May 2018 at 15:23, Carol Fryer  wrote:

> Hello friends...My husband and I are travelling to Northern Ireland in a
> couple of weeks and I have a family mystery I'd love to make an attempt to
> find clues about.  Here's what we know:
>
> *Andrew Hackett* My 3rd Great Grandfather B. Abt 1795 County Tyrone D.
> Abt. 1875 Huron County, Ontario, Canada  married Jane Smith B. 1793 County
> Tyrone D. 3 Dec 1851 Huron County, Ontario, Canada.  Children all born in
> County Tyrone, Ireland but married in Ontario, Canada:
>
> Alexander Hackett (my Great Great Grandfather) 1819 D. 1903 Huron County,
> Ontario married Jane Johnston B. Kingston, Ontario.
>
> Joseph Hackett B. 20 Jan 1820 County Tyrone D. 25 Sep 1894 London,
> Ontario, Canada married Huron County, Ontario Abt. 1853 to Esther
> Tackaberry B. 1 Jan 1828 Ireland, D. 31 Aug 1904 Ontario, Canada
>
> Ann Jane Hackett B. 17 Jun 1822 County Tyrone D. Aug 1906 Lamont, Alberta,
> Canada married her first cousin Walter Lett Hackett B. 13 Jul 1825 in 1850
> Ontario, Canada.  Walter D. 10 Jan 1902 Lamont, Alberta.  Walter’s middle
> name being Lett is strange and should be unique. My father Keith Merwin
> Hackett 1924 – 2007 inquired about it to Irish Archives but nothing came of
> it.  (It was an inquiry on a 1970ish typewriter  J )
>
> Lucinda Hackett B. 1824 County Tyrone D. 1881 Michigan, USA married John
> Jenkins B. 1820 County Tyrone D. 14 Apr 1873 Michigan, USA
>
> *Andrew traveled with his brother Joseph Hackett* B. Apr 1803 County
> Tyrone D. 27 Jan 1887 Huron, Ontario, Canada.  He married Ellen Maxwell
> B. 1795 D. 1882 and Married in 1823 in County Tyrone, Northern Ireland.  Their
> children both born in County Tyrone:
>
> Walter Lett Hackett B. 13 Jul 1825 County Tyrone and D. 1902. See above
> married his first cousin.
>
> James Hackett B. 18 Jul 1828 County Tyrone and D. 17 May 1916.  Married
> Esther Reid B. 18 Aug 1845 County Derry, D. 1925 Huron County, Ontario,
> Canada.
>
> I find it hard to believe Andrew only had two children, there could be
> more.
>
> Despite it all, we have no idea who their parents were or if there were
> any other siblings.  I have purchased a one month subscription to
> rootsireland.ie but can’t find much.
>
> If it helps, apparently when Andrew and Joseph Hackett travelled to Canada
> in 1938 they were shipwrecked and saved by another Schooner who picked them
> up with only the clothes on their backs.  My father wrote to Ireland to
> try and find out which ship they were on and they did not know.
>
> Thanks in advance for anything you can bring more information to J
>
> Carol Fryer nee Hackett
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] McWilliams family Aughnacloy

[Boyd Gray]

Hi Barrie:

Taken from A Topical Dictionary of Ireland, 1837, and found here:
http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/A/Aughaloo-Dungannon-Tyrone.php
.. Cottage Hill is the country seat of the Moore family of
the Parish of Aghaloo in County Tyrone, just north east of the small town
of Aughnacloy.

Cottage Hill is a large estate house in the townland of Mulnahern, just
south east of Aughnacloy.  It is still there, just off the A5 and just
north of the border with the Republic of Ireland.

However, I do not think that John McWilliams actually lived in Cottage Hill
itself.  Here is his marriage:

Civil Marriage Record
Date of Marriage: 28-Aug-1866
Parish / District: DUNGANNON County: TYRONE
Husband Wife
Name: John Mcwilliams Isabella Corbitt
Address: Mullaghmore Mullaghmore
Occupation: MERCHANT
Age: 22 20
Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: James Mcwilliams George Corbitt
Address:
Occupation: FARMER FARMER
Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Occupation:
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: James Simpson John Burns
Address:
Notes:
PARISH OF CLOGHER AUGHNACLOY PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH.HUSBAND'S AGE GIVEN
AS FULL OVER 21.WIFE'S AGE GIVEN AS MINOR UNDER 21

John and Isabella had at least three children, and I suspect considerably
more:

Action Source Surname First Name Year County
View Church Baptism Mcwilliams John 1873 Co. Tyrone
View Church Baptism Mcwilliams Emily Jane 1876 Co. Tyrone
View Church Baptism Mcwilliams Margaret 1878 Co. Tyrone

Oddly, even though his father only held a 16 small farm (see below), John
describes himself variously as a merchant, a farmer, and, in the case of
John in 1873, a "Gentleman"!

This is the exact location of John's father's farm, and presumably
therefore, where John was born:

Griffith's Valuation Record Information
Tenant
Family Name 1 MCWILLIAMS
Forename 1 JAMES
Landlord
Family Name 2 COCHRANE
Forename 2 WILLIAM
Location
County TYRONE
Barony DUNGANNON, LOWER
Union CLOGHER
Parish AGHALOO
Townland MULLAGHMORE, WEST
Place Name MULLAGHMORE, WEST
Place Type TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page 26
Printing Date 1860
Act 15&16
Sheet Number 60
Map Reference 7

James McWilliams held Plot 7, a 16 acre farm.  A Mary Anne Corbett held the
farm next door and a James Corbett rented a house from James McWilliams on
Plot 7.  There is still a house on Plot 7 in the same location as that of
James McWilliam.

In 1870, the farm passed from James to either Mary or Margaret (the name is
changed at one point) McWilliams.  In 1903, the farm passed from Margaret
to William McWilliams.

This is probably the death of Mary/Margaret; I wonder is it John's mother:

Burial/Death Record
Name: Mary Mcwilliams Date of Death: 01-Aug-1901
Age: 96 Parish / District: AGHALOO
Address: Mullaghmore County: TYRONE
Status: Widow (Female) Roman Catholic
Occupation: FARMER'S WIDOW Sex: Female
Graveyard Informant
Graveyard: Relationship: Son
Parish: Name: James Mcwilliams
County: Address: Tullybliety
Notes:
OLD AGE.

Not sure who this is but it is very sad and definitely family:

Burial/Death Record
Name: Tho. Mcwilliams Date of Death: 05-May-1894
Age: 37 Parish / District: AGHALOO
Address: Mullaghmore West County: TYRONE
Status: Not Married Roman Catholic
Occupation: FARMER Sex: Male
Graveyard Informant
Graveyard: Relationship: Coroner
Parish: Name: John Malone
County: Address: Tyrone
Notes:
ASPHIXIA CAUSED BY HANGING HIMSELF WHILE TEMPORARILY INSANE. INQUEST
HELD.ON 07/04/1894.

This is the family in the censuses:

1901:
Residents of a house 9 in Mullaghmore West (Aughnacloy Rural, Tyrone)
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation
Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
McWilliams Mary 95 Female Head of Family Presbyterian Co Tyrone Farmer Read
and write - Widow -
McWilliams William 21 Male Grand Son Presbyterian Co Tyrone Farmer's
Grand-Son Read and write - Not Married -

1901:
Residents of a house 3 in Mullaghmore West (Aughnacloy Rural, Tyrone)
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation
Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
McWilliams Thomas 70 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Tyrone Farmer Cannot
read - Married -
McWilliams Mary 70 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Tyrone - Cannot read -
Married -

(Odd that this family is Catholic)

1911:
Residents of a house 9 in Mullaghmore West (Aughnacloy Rural, Tyrone)
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation
Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years
Married Children
Born Children Living
McWilliams William 34 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Tyrone Farmer Read
and write - Single -

This is the Moore family, who DID live at Cottage Hill:

Aughnacloy Death Announcements 1831-69
Deaths recorded in Aughnacloy and the Parish of Carnteel, Co. Tyrone,
extracted from personal notces inserted in the LONDONDERRY SENTINEL and
LONDONDERRY 

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Matilda Jane Dunbar Co Tyrone

[Boyd Gray]

Hi Alex,

Well, to start with, Matilda cannot be born in 1859 and get married in
1867.  Aged 8?  First we need to sort out who is who.

Okay, so let's assume that you have the right marriage and the birth is
spurious, this is her:

Civil Marriage Record
Date of Marriage: 09-May-1867
Parish / District: STRABANE County: TYRONE
Husband Wife
Name: David Dumbar Matilda Smyth
Address: Letterbrat Ballynamallaght
Occupation: FARMER
Age: 22 22
Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: John Dumbar James Smyth
Address:
Occupation: FARMER FARMER
Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Occupation:
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: James Robert Tynan William Smyth
Address:
Notes:
DUNAMANA PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH  PARISH OF DONAGHADY.BOTH AGES GIVEN AS
FULL OVER 21.

If this is accurate, she was born before 1845, so there will be no civil
birth record (they began in 1864).

This is her father, he held Plot 13, a 1 acre farm in Ballynamallght in the
Parish of Donaghedy in 1859:

Griffith's Valuation Record Information
Tenant
Family Name 1 SMYTH
Forename 1 JAMES
Landlord
Family Name 2 OGILBY
Forename 2 JAMES
Location
County TYRONE
Barony STRABANE, LOWER
Union GORTIN
Parish DONAGHEDY
Townland BALLYNAMALLAGHT
Place Name BALLYNAMALLAGHT
Place Type TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page 40
Printing Date 1859
Act 15&16
Sheet Number 6
Map Reference 13 A,B

This is his death:

Name JAMES SMYTH
Year of Death 1904
Group Registration ID 3452678
SR District/Reg Area Strabane
Deceased Age at Death 96
Image
Son, Jacob, also of Ballynamallaght, was present at death

This is her in 1901:

1901 Census:
Residents of a house 18 in Letterbrat (Plumbridge, Tyrone)
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation
Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Dunbar David 59 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Tyrone Farmer Read and
write - Married -
Dunbar Matilda Jane 52 Female Wife Presbyterian Co Tyrone - Read and write -
Married -
Dunbar Sarah Ann 20 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Tyrone General Read and
write - Not Married -
Dunbar Maggie 18 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Tyrone General Read and
write - Not Married -
Dunbar David 16 Male Son Presbyterian Co Tyrone General Read and write - Not
Married -

That gives a YoB of 1849 but this census is often wrong.

And here she is in 1911:

1911 Census:
Residents of a house 7 in Letterbrat (Plumb Bridge, Tyrone)
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation
Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years
Married Children
Born Children Living
Dunbar Matilda Jane 65 Female Head of Family Presbyterian Co Tyrone - Read
and write - Widow - 44 8 7
Dunbar James 32 Male Son Presbyterian Co Tyrone Farmer Read and write -
Single -

This gives her age as 1846, which is more or less what I guessed from her
marriage, so forget 1959.  And probably Upper Badoney. unless you know
different.

This is the death of David which you already have, it seems:

Name DAVID DUNBAR
Year of Death 1907
Group Registration ID 3561946
SR District/Reg Area Strabane
Deceased Age at Death 68
Image

He was a farmer from Letterbrat and his daughter, Sarah, was present at his
death.

This is very probably her death but YOU need to buy the death cert from
GRONI to be sure.  It costs only £2.50:

D/1923/220/1027/12/173 Jane Dunbar 25th December 1922 77 Female
Strabane(pre-1973
Q4)

Where did you get the 1851 census?!  And her mother's name?

They will be buried in the nearest Presbyterian church.

Hope this helps,

Regards,

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On 29 April 2018 at 20:37, alex carlisle  wrote:

> Hi my name is Alex Carlisle I live in England and I'd be really grateful
> if someone would be able to help me please, i'm trying to trace my family
> ancestors in Co Tyrone, in particular my Grt Grt Gran Matilda Jane Dunbar
> Nee Smyth, born 1859 Glencoppogagh townland upper Badney Parish, I do not
> know when she died or where she is buried.  Matilda married David Dunbar in
> Donemana Presbyterian Church in 1867, David died in Letterbrat in Upper
> Badney in 1907. Also her father, James Smyth, her mother Matilda nee
> McCrossan this is all I found on the 1851 census.  i'd be most grateful
> for any help if finding where /when they died or where they are buried.
>
> kind regards & many thanks
>
> Alex
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] REID & STINSON OF DUNAGANNON IRELAND

[Boyd Gray]

What a crafty little workaround, Dave!!  I had no idea one could do that.
Just tried it and it works.

As well as simply browsing, and yes, perhaps hitting someone else you know
from that area, it could also be used for the very occasional image which
is actually wrong.  It has only happened to me a couple of times but is
very frustrating then it does happen.

Thanks for the tip,

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On 27 January 2018 at 07:18, Dave Mitchell  wrote:

>
>
> Good morning, guys.
>
>
>
> This list proves yet again that co. Tyrone families are a veritable global
> *diaspora*, round the globe and round the clock !
>
>
>
> Boyd, your sleuthing is simply great. Wow! Lots of tips for all of us,
> especially in combining what’s available from various sources and
> repositories.  Jim, thanks for your encouragement (and for running our
> list).
>
>
>
> Ray, you asked how to find the actual IMAGE.  In many instances on
> https://www.irishgenealogy.ie   (but not all), when you find a record
> listing you will see a link to "image" at the bottom of the white block
> (it’s in the middle of the page, for Births, just below the line for 
> “*Mother's
> Birth Surname*”
>
>
>
> This is what takes you to the actual .pdf.Only some entries include
> images, so you've got to be lucky.  Sometimes you’ve got to look through 2
> or more pages to find the entry.
>
>
>
> Then (if you’re adventurous and “on the prowl”) you can do more, and *“sleuth
> the system” ….*Once you're at the actual image, you can browse
> surrounding pages in the original register (e.g. for the same Registry
> Office) by craftily changing the .pdf image page number +1 or -1, in your
> browser page heading.  I have learnt of other folks from the same or other
> townlands nearby just by sniffing around in this way.  It's perhaps the
> closest one can get - electronically - to feeling and savouring the
> original pages in a leather-bound volume!
>
>
>
> All the best for 2018.
>
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Ray 15" 
> *To: *"Dave Mitchell" 
> *Sent: *Saturday, January 27, 2018 05:26:01 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Irish Index results and seeing the pdf of the actual
> related entry please sir!
>
> Hi Dave.
>
>
>
> Long time with no chat.  Great to see you still helping people on the
> lists.
>
>
>
> Can still remember when I FIRST joined CTI and/or Donegaleire, and you
> were living over there then; how you would so kindly check out stuff for
> people during your daily work travels around the countryside.
>
>
>
> Anyway, this note is because I am seeking your assistance with a few
> things.
>
>
>
> And I should start by saying that about 10 or more years ago I was hit
> with depression, which wrecked my mind and my memory as well as a lot of
> other things — but note though that I can still remember your kindliness to
> others as noted above; so maybe it is only my short-term memory which is
> kaput!  ha ha.
>
>
>
> I saw your note to Bob about STEENSON etc., with the URL for
> irishgenealogy.ie for civil BDMs.
>
>
>
> AND I saw your other link to him, showing a pdf of the actual entry
> itself.
>
>
>
>
>
> *BUT I cannot see how I can go FROM an irishgenealogy.ie
>  RESULT —*
>
> * TO the pdf image.*
>
>
>
>
>
> My apologies for hitting you with this probably very elementary to you,
> request.
>
> Grateful for any light which you can shed on it for me please Bob.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> And wishing you a Happy New Year for 2018 — seeing that we are still
> within the first month of the year.  haha.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards.
>
> Ray in Oz.
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Extraordinary Outrage near Donemana, Donagheady Parish Co. Tyrone 1893: House levelled at Aghafad

[Boyd Gray]

 Hi Len,

Been following this harrowing tale with some interest.  Wondering what poor
Catherine might have done wrong to merit such a cruel fate.  Had she simply
not been able to pay her rent or had she upset the Hugheys for some other
reason?

I did consider doing some research but did not think I would find anything
useful.  Glad I didn't, as unlike the redoubtable Faye, I would never have
thought of searching for Fawcett under Fossett.  A valuable lesson here for
those who still try to tell me, "Oh no, we are the Greys with an "e" not
the Grays with an "a."

I checked the 1911 Census, no sign of the Fawcett/Fossetts, Catherine and
Benjamin.  I guess that was why you did not mention it.  Checking
RootsIreland, I found that Catherine died 25th June 1908, at Ardmore, aged
61, Labourer's widow, of heart disease, Benjamin C Fawcett of Paterson St,
Glasgow, PAD.  So Catherine was dead by 1911 and Benjamin had moved to
Glasgow.

The newspaper report mentions a family of small children, including a
daughter and a sick child.  I also wondered what happened to them.
RootsIreland is excellent for this and I discovered that:

- an Isabella Fossett was born to Ben Fossett, carpenter, and Catherine
Fossett, formerly Cowden, in 1869 at Moyagh, a Rebecca Fossett registering
the birth
- a Mary Jane Faucett was born at Moyagh to Benjamin Faucett, carpenter,
and Catherine Faucett formerly Cowden, in 1874
- a Catherine Fawcett gave birth to a Catherine Fawcett in Strabane
workhouse in 1876.  No father and "formerly" scored out, implying she was
unmarried.  Catherine WAS married so... coincidence?
- a William Faucett was born at Killyclooney to Benjamin Faucett,
carpenter, and Catherine Faucett formerly Cowden, in 1878
- a Robert Faucett was born at Killyclooney to Benjamin Faucett, carpenter,
and Catherine Faucett formerly Cowden, in 1881
- a Benjamin Cook Faucett was born at Killyclooney to Benjamin Cook
Faucett, carpenter, and Catherine Faucett formerly Cowden, in 1883

- William Faucett, aged 21, labourer of Disart, son of Benjamin Faucett,
dead, carpenter, married Sarah McCollum in 1894 at St Johnston RC church,
St Johnston, Co Donegal
- Mary Faussett, of ?Cashencallen?, aged 20, daughter of Benjamin Faussett,
carpenter, married a James Logue in 1895 at the Registry Office, Strabane
- Benjamin Fawcett, full age, City Policeman, of Disart, son of Benjamin
Fawcett, dead carpenter, married Sarah Houston in 1908 at St Marys RC
church, Cloghcor

- an Isabella Fawcett, farmer's daughter, aged 28, died in 1899 at Ardmore,
of pneumonia, brother, Ben C Fawcett PAD

So, at the time of the incident in 1893, the family consisted, at least, of
Catherine and her five children - Isabella, aged 24, Mary Jane, aged 19,
William, aged 15, Robert, aged 12 and Benjamin, aged 10.  William married
the following year, Mary Jane married two years later, Isabella died six
years later, Catherine herself died in June 1908 and Benjamin married in
November the same year.

And still no hint of anything that might have upset the Hugheys.  I suspect
that, as a widow, Catherine simply could not pay her rent.

Regards,

Boyd


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On 21 January 2018 at 10:03, Len Swindley  wrote:

> Hello again everyone,
>
>
>
> We have further data on CATHERINE FAWCETT and her family. Faye Logue has
> generously searched for information relating to the origins of this
> unfortunate family: BENJAMIN FOSSET, carpenter and CATHERINE COWDEN, both
> of Moyagh townland, Donagheady parish married June 1 1869 at First
> Donagheady Presbyterian Church. Fathers were JOHN FOSSETT (farmer) and
> JAMES COWDEN (labourer}. Witnesses were JOHN ORR and GEORGE COWDEN.
>
>
>
> As it seemed that Catherine was a widow in 1893, I looked for Benjamin’s
> death registration and located his death on March 2, 1886 at Killyclooney
> (Donagheady) : BENJAMIN FAUCETT 38 years, carpenter, phthisis
> [tuberculosis] (of some years duration). Registered by his father JOHN
> FAUCETT, who was present at death.
>
>
>
> Faye was interested in learning the outcome of the family and searched the
> 1901 census which offered some consolation: House No. 5, Ardmore townland
> (Donagheady):
>
> JOHN COWDEN, head, Presbyterian, R & W, 56 years, agricultural labourer,
> not married, born Co. Tyrone
>
> CATHERINE FAWCETT, sister, Presbyterian, 50 years, reads, seamstress,
> widow, born Co. Tyrone
>
> BENJIMAN (sic) FAWCETT, nephew, R & W, Presbyterian, 17 years,
> agricultural labourer, unmarried, born Co. Tyrone
>
>
>
> Trust this is interesting new data and regards,
>
> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
>
>
>
>
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Beatty visiting from US

[Boyd Gray]

Top class, Dave!

Does it give a better location than "Cookstown"?  A townland, perhaps?  I
cannot see wealthy folks living in a town with all its attendant diseases.

Chuck and his family need somewhere better than Cookstown to visit.  I
tried searching the TABs and the GV for Derryloran Beattys and only found
these in the GV, none in the TABs:

Beattie   William Geo.  Gortalowry
  Derryloran Tyrone
BeattyJohn  Kilcronagh
  Derryloran Tyrone
BeattyMary  Coagh Street,Town of Cookstown
  Derryloran Tyrone
BeattySarah Tullwiggan
  Derryloran Tyrone

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On 10 September 2017 at 18:04, d...@mweb.co.za  wrote:

> Hi Chuck
>
> You're in luck .
>
> You need to read the book "Nelson's Surgeon" by Laurence Brockliss, John
> Cardwell and Michael Moss. (Oxford Univ Press).
>
> All about another William Beatty (1773 - 1842) who was later knighted.
>
> An early chapter gives a well-researched background into the Beatty family
> of Cookstown . ! Will send you some pages when I can get to my PC.
>
> Will try now to send you a cellphone-photo of a Beatty family tree. Shows
> presumably your "Henry Beatty (emigrated to America)" ... as eldest son of
> "Capt. William Beatty (b. Cookstown 1671, d. 1774)".
>
> Quite a military hero at the time of the Siege of Londonderry/Battle of
> the Boyne.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Dave Mitchell
> Cape Town
> South Africa
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Chuck Zeh" 
> To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
> Cc: "Martha Zeh" 
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 04:47:53 PM
> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Beatty visiting from US
>
> My wife, I and best friends will be visiting Cookstown in the near future,
> September 26 and 27. My mother’s family, “Beatty” has it origin from
> Cookstown. I’ve searched your site and was unsuccessful in finding any
> specific reference to my ancestors. My ancestor emigrated from Ireland
> quite some time ago, in the 1750’s.
>
> I’d appreciate help in searching any connections that may exist. Here’s is
> what I know of my ancestry:
>
> Henry Beatty born in Ireland married to Catherine. Henry died September
> 1772 and was buried in Cumberland, Pennsylvania, USA. It was written that
> Henry came to America from Cookstown, County, Ireland. Henry and Catherine
> had 7 children:
>
> William Beatty born 1738, Tyrone, Ireland.
> James Beatty
> Elizabeth Beatty
> Margaret Beatty
> Walter Beatty
> John Beatty born 1756
> Henry Beatty
>
> It was written that Henry died before his wife and children were able to
> join him in the US while other information suggests that his older sons
> came with him.
>
> William Beatty was born 1738, Tyrone, Ireland. William married Mary
> Johnson who was born 1746. I don’t know if she was born in Ireland. Her
> parents were James Johnson and Elizabeth Brown. James Johnson was born in
> 1697. Although his cemetery write-up says “Northern Ireland” my cousin
> found information stating Annandale, Dumfrieshire, Scotland.
>
> Any my cousin reminded me our lineage is the Protestant Beatty’s.
>
> I would appreciate any assistance you can provide. Our party will be
> leaving the US on September 16, 2017, touring Southern Ireland and then
> Northern Ireland beginning on September 26, 2017. Thanks.
>
> Charles “Chuck” Zeh (mother maiden name Beatty)
> wvbuff...@comcast.net
> Morgantown, WV
> USA
>
> P.S. We will have a cell phone with us while traveling. If there is a
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] ABERCORN PAPERS HELD by DERRY Family History Centre

[Boyd Gray]

Whoop-di-do!!

Well done, Jim.  You're the man.

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On 8 August 2017 at 18:06, Jim McKane <j...@mckane.ca> wrote:

> I have checked with the FamilySearch.org people on this situation. The
> answer I received was that not all records will be restricted to viewing at
> a Family History Center. Those restricted are because of copyright issues.
>
> They also stated that ALL films have been fully digitized but not all are
> available as yet. On September 1st, all be released.
>
> Hope this clarifies the issue.
>
> Jim
>
>
> Jim McKane
> South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Boyd Gray <boydgra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> You will probably all be aware that the LDS aare not going to be sending
>> out any more microfilms to their Family History Centres as of the end of
>> this month.  They say that all their records will soon be digitised so the
>> microfilms are redundant.  I doubt this is precisely true and we will not
>> be looking at the Tithe Applotment Books online any time soon, or indeed
>> many other records currently available on microfilm.  Luckily, some of the
>> most useful documents for County Tyrone research are already held in
>> microfilm format in Derry Family History Centre.
>>
>> These are the films that I have paid to be held permanently at the Family
>> History Centre in Derry. The Abercorn Papers are a detailed set of land and
>> rent records dating back beyond the Griffiths Valuation and the Tithe
>> Applotment Books well back into the 18thCentury. As such, they are
>> invaluable to genealogists. As well as names and maps, they sometimes
>> contain margin notes written by Abercorn’s agents which are of immense
>> genealogical value such as how people are related to each other.
>>
>>
>> Lord Abercorn held land in both Donegal and Tyrone. I am sure that in the
>> past, the FHS website included the names of townlands covered by each
>> microfilm but this is certainly not the case now. This means one has to
>> make do with the descriptions below which are based on manors. There is no
>> easy reference source to indicate which townlands are in which manors that
>> I know of at this time.
>>
>>
>> *1. Film: 1752004*
>>
>>
>> D623/C/4/2-4 Rent account book for the Manor of Strabane, Co. Tyrone
>> 1809-1833 Rent account bookfor the Manor of Donelong, Co. Tyrone 1794-1832
>>
>> Family History Library
>>
>> British Film
>>
>> 1752004 Items 1-3
>>
>>
>> Abercorn papers
>>
>> Abercorn, JamesHamilton, Duke of, 1811-1885
>>
>> Items 1-3 D 623/C/4/2-4 Rent account book for theManor of
>> Strabane, Co. Tyrone 1809-1833 Rent account book for the Manor ofDonelong,
>> Co. Tyrone 1794-1832
>>
>>
>> *2. Film: 1752007*
>>
>>
>> D623/C/4/9 (cont.)Rent accounts for the Donegal estate 1810-1833
>>
>> Family History Library
>>
>> British Film
>>
>> 1752007 Item 1
>>
>> D623/C/4/10 Rent account book for the Manors of Strabane, Cloghogle, and
>> Derrygoon, Co. Tyrone1832-1838
>>
>> Family History Library
>>
>> British Film
>>
>> 1752007 Item 2
>>
>> D623/C/4/11 Rent account book for the Manor of Donelong, Co. Tyrone, and
>> for the Donegal estate1832-1838 MISSING, NOT FILMED
>>
>> Family History Library
>>
>> British Film
>>
>> 1752007 Item 3
>>
>> D623/C/4/12 Rent account book for the Manor of Strabane, Co. Tyrone
>> 1839-1857
>>
>> Family History Library
>>
>> British Film
>>
>> 1752007 Item 4
>>
>>
>> Abercorn papers
>>
>> Abercorn, James Hamilton, Duke of, 1811-1885
>>
>> Item 1 D623/C/4/9 (cont.) Rent accounts for the Donegal estate 1810-1833
>>
>> Item 2 D623/C/4/10 Rent account book for the Manors of Strabane,
>> Cloghogle, and
>>
>> Derrygoon, Co. Tyrone1832-1838
>>
>> Item 3 D623/C/4/11 Rent account book for the Manor of Donelong, Co.
>> Tyrone, and for the Donegal estate 1832-1838 MISSING, NOT FILMED
>>
>> Item 4 D623/C/4/12 Rent account book for the Manor of Strabane, Co.
>> Tyrone 1839-1857
>>
>>
>> *3. Film: 1752008*
>>
>>
>> D623/C/4/12 (cont.)Rent account book for the Manor of Strabane, Co.
>> Tyrone 1839-1857
>>
>> Family History Library
>>
>> British Film
>>
>> 1752008 Item 1
>>
>

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Kilskeery Parish

[Boyd Gray]

Hi Rick,

Before I make any suggestions, may I clarify what it is that you need?

Finding extant "cousins" is never easy because the databases do not exist.
Even the old fashioned telephone directory is rarely of use now because so
many people only use mobile phones and do not have a land line and if they
do, they opt to keep it private.  In my experience the only way to find
long lost relatives is to turn up in the street where they lived and ask if
anyone remembers them.

As for where they will be buried, not that easy either.  Catholics are
relatively easy because there is usually just the one parish church and
they all bury there.  It is just a matter of googling til you find it.  The
same is true for Church of Ireland folks.  Presbyterians are hardest to
find as they tend to move congregations and sometimes walk past a
Presbyterian meeting house down the road to travel several miles to another
one!  Methodists will probably only have one church but frequently do not
have a graveyard attached, so yet again, local knowledge is essential.
Being an offshoot of the Church of England, I would suspect that if there
is no local Methodist graveyard, then your folks will be buried in the
Church of Ireland parish church.

Which takes me on to the way we here in Ireland can be of most help to
you.  Do you actually know exactly where your folks lived in Kilskeery
Parish?  Because that one is easy thanks to our land survey from the 1850s
known as the Griffiths Valuation, which comes with online maps showing the
precise location of the home of every head of household in Ireland.  You
can access it here:

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

Just from a quick look I can see these people who must be related to you:

Masterson  DavidDerry  Kilskeery Tyrone
Masterson  JamesDerry  Kilskeery Tyrone
Masterson  John Derry  Kilskeery Tyrone

David held 13 acres, James 2 and John 4, so they were barely farmers, more
like farm labourers.

The Morrisons of Loughterush, which adjoins the townland of Derry, were
more prosperous, with James holding Plots 12A totalling almost 40 acres:

Griffith's Valuation Record Information
Tenant
Family Name 1 MORRISON
Forename 1 JAMES
Landlord
Family Name 2 BLACKER
Forename 2 LEATHEM
Location
County TYRONE
Barony OMAGH, EAST
Union LOWTHERSTOWN
Parish KILSKEERY
Townland LOUGHTERUSH
Place Name LOUGHTERUSH
Place Type TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page 2
Printing Date 1860
Act 15&16
Sheet Number 56
Map Reference 12 A,B

Their house is no longer on a surfaced road so you will have to walk up
country lanes to find its location but that is half the fun!

Still one family of Mastersons left in Derry in the 1911 Census, I assume
this is your Joseph:

Residents of a house 5 in Derry (Kilskeery, Tyrone)
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation
Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years
Married Children
Born Children Living
Masterson Joseph 77 Male Head of Family Wesleyan, Methodist Tyrone Farmer Read
and write - Married - 46 13 10
Masterson Elizabeth 67 Female Wife Wesleyan, Methodist Tyrone - Read and
write - Married - 46 13 10
Masterson Hugh 42 Male Son Episcopalian, Church of Ireland Tyrone Farmer Read
and write - Single - - - -
Masterson David 26 Male Son Episcopalian, Church of Ireland Tyrone Farmer Read
and write - Single - - - -
Masterson Anni E 36 Female Daughter Wesley, Methodist Tyrone Dressmaker Read
and write - Single - - - -
Morrison Minni E 22 Female Niece Wesley, Methodist Tyrone Domestic Servant Read
and write - Single - - - -
Morrison Bertie 16 Male Nephew Wesley, Methodist Tyrone Farm Servant Read
and write - Single - - - -
Woods Anni E 3 Female Niece Wesleyan, Methodist Fermanagh Visitor - - - - -

Oh m  Elizabeth had 13 children. 10 still alive.  You must surely
still have Masterson relatives living locally.  They cannot all have
emigrated.

I would also note that, while the old folks were still Methodists, two of
their sons had reverted back to the Church of Ireland.

AND old Joseph married his wife in a CofI church:

Civil Marriage Record
Date of Marriage: 05-Aug-1864
Parish / District: ENNISKILLEN County: FERMANAGH
Husband Wife
Name: Joseph Masterson Eliza Jane Wilson
Address: Derry Cavancarragh
Occupation: FARMER
Age: 22 22
Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: David Masterson Robert Wilson
Address:
Occupation: FARMER FARMER
Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Occupation:
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: John Smylie Robert Wilson
Address:
Notes:
DERRYVULLAN C.O.I. PARISH OF DERRYVULLAN.  AGES GIVEN AS FULL OVER 21.

And Joseph's father was indeed that David that we saw in the 1860 Griffiths
Valuation so you can definitely find exactly where they lived.  James and
John may well have been his sons and you can find 

Re: [CoTyroneIreland] Susanna PATTERSON daughter of Robert of Strabane / FINLEY

[Boyd Gray]

I must be even older than I thought, Jim.

What about "across the schugh"?  Don't hear that often now either.

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On 18 April 2017 at 13:19, James McKane <jamck...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Shank's Mare"... gosh I haven't heard that quote for many years!!
>
> Jim McKane
> South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Boyd Gray <boydgra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> These are all fascinating histories, Teena and I wish one of them
>> belonged to my tree.  Oh to know in so much detail what happened to people
>> when they disappeared into America.  We all have lost dozens if not
>> hundreds in that way.
>>
>> However, I am often perplexed by the placenames given in these family
>> histories, usually written by the descendants of the emigres who do not
>> really know Ireland and its geography or society.  One, for example gives
>> their home as Antrim, Co Tyrone.  And this one gives a marriage of someone
>> from Carrickfergus to someone else from Strabane, opposite ends of Ulster.
>> I know that my own folk rarely married "beyond" the schugh"!  With no form
>> of transport except Shank's Mare, they did not travel much more than a few
>> miles from home in their entire lives.  It was mainly clergymen or the very
>> rich who could make such distant connections so I suppose that has to be
>> the explanation, if there has not been an error.
>>
>> But still, what fun it would be to "own" one of these and to tease out
>> the truth as far as it was possible.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Boyd
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/
>>
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>>
>> On 17 April 2017 at 23:46, Teena from BC <4theloveoftyr...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Susanna PATTERSON FINLEY's descendants
>>>
>>> Robert Finley born in Ireland (Derry?)  and died at Carrickfergus in
>>> 1809. He was a gunner in the Castle at the seige of Bell Isle (He
>>> served in the reign of the last three kings of England). In the Parish
>>> of Carrickfergus is listed the marriage of Robert Finley to Susanna
>>> Patterson, daughter of Robert Patterson of Strabane, County Tyrone,
>>> Ireland, on May 16, 1740.
>>>
>>> The eldest son, John Finley died at the Parish of Choghill County
>>> Antrim and his will mentions his son, Francis, his son, John, who was
>>> in America at that time, his son James, and a daughter, Margaret, who
>>> had married Mat Blakely.
>>>
>>> The second son, William, left a will dated Jan. 1, 1816 and mentions
>>> his sons, James, Mathew, Pat, Robert, John and daughter, Agnes.
>>>
>>> There is little information concerning the other children of Robert
>>> Finley and Susanna Patterson in the writings of Major France,
>>> indicating to us that Susanna, Mathew, David, and Thomas might have
>>> migrated to America, thus accounting for the absence of records in
>>> Scotland. We do know that James died at Belturbet, unmarried, in 1817
>>>
>>> Conner and Masters, pioneer families of Guernsey County, Ohio; ...
>>> Conner, E. Margaret Masters (Emma Margaret Masters), 1908-
>>> https://hdl.handle.net/2027/wu.89066040254
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Re: [CoTyroneIreland] Susanna PATTERSON daughter of Robert of Strabane / FINLEY

[Boyd Gray]

These are all fascinating histories, Teena and I wish one of them belonged
to my tree.  Oh to know in so much detail what happened to people when they
disappeared into America.  We all have lost dozens if not hundreds in that
way.

However, I am often perplexed by the placenames given in these family
histories, usually written by the descendants of the emigres who do not
really know Ireland and its geography or society.  One, for example gives
their home as Antrim, Co Tyrone.  And this one gives a marriage of someone
from Carrickfergus to someone else from Strabane, opposite ends of Ulster.
I know that my own folk rarely married "beyond" the schugh"!  With no form
of transport except Shank's Mare, they did not travel much more than a few
miles from home in their entire lives.  It was mainly clergymen or the very
rich who could make such distant connections so I suppose that has to be
the explanation, if there has not been an error.

But still, what fun it would be to "own" one of these and to tease out the
truth as far as it was possible.

Thanks.

Boyd

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On 17 April 2017 at 23:46, Teena from BC <4theloveoftyr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Susanna PATTERSON FINLEY's descendants
>
> Robert Finley born in Ireland (Derry?)  and died at Carrickfergus in
> 1809. He was a gunner in the Castle at the seige of Bell Isle (He
> served in the reign of the last three kings of England). In the Parish
> of Carrickfergus is listed the marriage of Robert Finley to Susanna
> Patterson, daughter of Robert Patterson of Strabane, County Tyrone,
> Ireland, on May 16, 1740.
>
> The eldest son, John Finley died at the Parish of Choghill County
> Antrim and his will mentions his son, Francis, his son, John, who was
> in America at that time, his son James, and a daughter, Margaret, who
> had married Mat Blakely.
>
> The second son, William, left a will dated Jan. 1, 1816 and mentions
> his sons, James, Mathew, Pat, Robert, John and daughter, Agnes.
>
> There is little information concerning the other children of Robert
> Finley and Susanna Patterson in the writings of Major France,
> indicating to us that Susanna, Mathew, David, and Thomas might have
> migrated to America, thus accounting for the absence of records in
> Scotland. We do know that James died at Belturbet, unmarried, in 1817
>
> Conner and Masters, pioneer families of Guernsey County, Ohio; ...
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Re: [CoTyroneIreland] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Who are These People - Johnson/Johnston?? (nee Thompson??) & Her Son

[Boyd Gray]

Pure speculation, Jim, based on a Johnson/Thompson marriage registered at
Omagh within ten years of 1900, which seemed a reasonable date to guess for
the marriage of the woman in the pic and the age of the son.

Civil Marriage Record
Date of Marriage: 21-May-1908
Parish / District: OMAGH County: TYRONE
Husband Wife
Name: John Charles Johnstone Margaret Thompson
Address: Back Farm Gillygooly
Occupation: LABOURER
Age: 25 24
Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: Charles Johnstone James Thompson
Address:
Occupation: WATER BAILIFF LABOURER
Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Occupation:
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: Robert McKeown Mary Thompson
Address:
Notes:
LISLIMNAGHAN C.O.I. PARISH OF CAPPAGH.

Civil Marriage Record
Date of Marriage: 23-Aug-1910
Parish / District: OMAGH County: TYRONE
Husband Wife
Name: Charles James Johnston Carrie Evelyn Thompson
Address: Drumquinn The Rectory, Upper Langfield
Occupation: MEDICAL DOCTOR
Age: 22 22
Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: Richard Johnston Thos. O. Thompson
Address:
Occupation: GENTLEMAN JOURNALIST
Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Occupation:
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: A. M. Love S. M. Thompson
Address:
Notes:
LANGFIELD C.O.I. PARISH OF UPPER LANGFIELD .BOTH AGES GIVEN AS
FULL/OVER 21.THOS. O. THOMPSON (L.L.D.)

Doctor or labourer - rich or poor family?

B


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On 18 April 2017 at 12:34, Jim McKane  wrote:

> Who are These People - Johnson/Johnston?? (nee Thompson??) & Her Son
> 
>
> Please help identify these people! ANY assistance would be appreciated.
>
>
> Jim McKane
> South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
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