Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 490 -- E VOTE

2024-05-13 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
: +30 2810391488 -- ---- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory Institute of Computer Science Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) N.Plastira 100,

Re: [Crm-sig] [NEW ISSUE]: missing inverse labels P81, P82, P171, P172

2024-03-20 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
lt directed. So, "we should define inverse properties" is not the real question. It is only if the inverse label is of any use in a semantic graph or query as starting point. best, Martin On 2/8/2024 4:13 PM, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote: Dear Eleni, I'd suggest not to assig

Re: [Crm-sig] New ISSUE: Quantifiers of P140,P141,P177

2024-03-19 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear Christian-Emil, I agree with all you write. The quantification should be (1,1:0,n) for all subproperties you have listed. Best, Martin On 3/19/2024 8:52 AM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote: Dear Martin, I have read this issue a little late. I have no problem with your argumentation

[Crm-sig] New Issue: Harmonizing CRMbase logically with CRMgeo

2024-02-25 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
)* P170(x,y) ⇒E61(x) P170(x,y) ⇒E52(y) P170(x, y) ⇒P81i(x, y) ∧P82i(x, y) *P170(x,y) ⇒ **(¬∃z)[E2(z) **⋀ P4(z,y)] *Excluding an instance of Temporal Entity to happen *at* this Time-Span Best, Martin -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head

[Crm-sig] New Issue, inverse: Harmonizing CRMgeo logically with CRMbase

2024-02-25 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
acetime_Primitive Range: SP7 <#_SP7_Declarative_Spacetime> Declarative Spacetime Volume *to be suproperty of P169, OR: **P168(x,y) ⇒SP6(x) * (SP6_Declarative _Place) *P169(x,y) ⇒SP7(y) P170(x,y) **⇒SP10(y) *All the best, martin On 2/25/2024 8:40 PM, Martin Doerr wrote: Dear All, In the co

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue, inverse: Harmonizing CRMgeo logically with CRMbase

2024-02-25 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
acetime_Primitive Range: SP7 <#_SP7_Declarative_Spacetime> Declarative Spacetime Volume *to be suproperty of P169, OR: **P168(x,y) ⇒SP6(x) *  (SP6_Declarative _Place) *P169(x,y) ⇒SP7(y) P170(x,y) **⇒SP10(y) *All the best, martin On 2/25/2024 8:40 PM, Martin Doerr wrote: Dear All, In the co

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 657: new example for P32 used general technique

2024-02-19 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory Institute of Computer Science Foundation

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 656 Homework

2024-02-19 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
that both places are at rest. Best, Martin On 2/19/2024 9:56 AM, Eleni Tsouloucha via Crm-sig wrote: Dear all, maybe reconsider this piece of HW given the concerns voiced by Thanasis? best E On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 5:23 PM Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig wrote: In version 7.2.3 (if I have

Re: [Crm-sig] [NEW ISSUE]: missing inverse labels P81, P82, P171, P172

2024-02-08 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear Eleni, I'd suggest not to assign inverse labels, nevertheless. These primitive values do not constitute particular objects of discourse, albeit that there is a naming aspect. P170, P168, P169 are different, they are epistemic constructs. Anyway, to be discussed! Best, Martin On 2/8

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 656 Homework

2024-02-02 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
geometric reference systems can be mapped (projected) to each other, with the precision the origin of the systems is known. This mapping would be the base for comparing two places moving relative to each other. I remember we discussed that, but never spelled out. Best, Martin On 2/2/2024 4:15

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 656 Homework

2024-02-02 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Place. This property is transitive and reflexive. in FOL: P89(x,y) ⇒(∃u) [E18(u) ⋀P157(x,u) ⋀P157(y,u)] Then we can simplify the FOL of P7, and add the above FOL to P121,122,189 Best, Martin On 2/2/2024 12:28 PM, Stephen Stead wrote: The “However, ” implies that this is an exception to the stat

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 656 Homework,

2024-02-02 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear All, We just observed that the FOL statements of P89 should also contain the formulation that both places need to be at rest to each other (i.e., fall into the same geometric system). This needs to be checked for all place to place relations. On 2/1/2024 9:04 PM, Martin Doerr via Crm

[Crm-sig] Issue 656 Homework

2024-02-01 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
(E53) /falls within/ the area of Salisbury Plain (E53). (Pryor, 2016) In first-order logic: P89(x,y) ⇒E53(x) P89(x,y) ⇒E53(y) [P89(x,y) ∧P89(y,z)] ⇒ P89(x,z) P89(x,x) -- ---- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural

[Crm-sig] New ISSUE: Quantifiers of P140,P141,P177

2024-01-24 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
sigments for *ISSUE 602*, this *must *be resolved. best, Martin -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory Institute of Computer Science Foun

Re: [Crm-sig] Example for propositional objects

2024-01-10 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
d not to belong [20] to the same thing and in the same relation; (Met.Г 4.3,1005b19-20) Thus stated, users can make up their own mind about the common meaning in this example, isn't it? Would that find your agreement? Best, Martin On 1/10/2024 8:30 AM, George Bruseker wrote: Dear Martin

[Crm-sig] Example for propositional objects

2024-01-06 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear All, I suggest to create an example using Bekker numbers. They constitute excellent examples of identifiers for propositional content. See https://guides.library.duq.edu/c.php?g=1030408=7468217 -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: link related examples

2023-12-13 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
or overlap or inclusion. The current city further covers completely previous up to the Roman settlement, and was continuously inhabited. Best, Marin Rgds SdS Stephen Stead Mob: +44 (0)7802 755 013 ste...@paveprime.com *From:*Crm-sig *On Behalf Of *Martin Doerr via Crm-sig *Sent:* Wednesday

[Crm-sig] New Issue: link related examples

2023-12-13 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
frame". It is very complicated to find these out by browsing! I propose "[example connects to P146]" and vice versa "[example connects to P145]" Best, Martin -- ---- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Info

[Crm-sig] Editorial Issue

2023-12-10 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Hierarchy and in the declaration of E92 is obsolete. To be corrected with that in the property declaration of P133. No decision needed. Best, Martin -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information

[Crm-sig] Issue: Replace fictitious example

2023-12-04 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
). "Harry Benson's photos of the Beatles sparked career" <http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/harry-benson-s-photos-of-the-beatles-sparked-career-1.2428648>. CBC News. Accessed 4 December 2023. Best, Martin -- ---- Dr. Martin Doerr

[Crm-sig] New Issue, missing part of type

2023-10-20 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Conceptual Modeling — ER 2001 <https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/3-540-45581-7> pp 412–425 Best, Martin On 10/17/2023 10:33 AM, athinak wrote: Dear Martin, maybe I misunderstood, but how can we explicitly know thw circumstances of leading to this state, described by the property?

[Crm-sig] New Issue, missing part of type

2023-10-16 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Admittedly, it poses the question where to stop the non-existence, and what missing parts would have a chance to be found. Would a part lost by accident be a part removal? Would that be an alternative way of documenting missing parts? Opinions? Best, Martin -- --

[Crm-sig] Issue 519, use of "preferred identifier" and "current permanent location"

2023-10-12 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
to a wider audience. Best, Martin -- ---- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory Institute of Computer Science Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH)

[Crm-sig] Fwd: Issue 576 (about ... entity of type)

2023-10-12 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
in the Ottoman sphere of influence. For these uses, "about instance of type" would again be under-specified. Therefore, I vote to resolve the issue with a recommendation to make an explicit URIs for isolated individuals, and further discuss "sets of references with common characteri

[Crm-sig] Issue 482 Vulnerability Belief

2023-10-09 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
n general, e.g., for defining an "observable situation", we need a list of possible properties. Best, Martin -- ---- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory I

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: P168i defines place shortcut

2023-10-05 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
On 10/5/2023 10:35 AM, George Bruseker wrote: Hi Martin, On this one continue to disagree. Yes the intention of the statement is to say that the instances of this class and their construction are meant to be formulated in data standards outside of CRM. Yes, and we provide interfaces to them

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: P168i defines place shortcut

2023-10-04 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
ly. Best, Martin On 10/3/2023 9:59 AM, George Bruseker via Crm-sig wrote: The duality of primitives as being in and out of of the universe of a discourse is a problem On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 9:45 AM Schmidle, Wolfgang via Crm-sig wrote: Okay, last one. I had overlooked P82 "at s

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: P168i defines place shortcut

2023-10-04 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
a fundamental good practice for CRMbase. No reason to repeat in CRMgeo anything that is (now!) in CRMbase, isn't it? Best, Martin On 10/1/2023 2:09 PM, Schmidle, Wolfgang via Crm-sig wrote: Some additional questions: P189 and P171: E53 Place P171 at some place within E94 Space Primitive

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: P168i defines place shortcut

2023-10-04 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Place Q11i is approximated by: SP6 Declarative Place Q10i is defined by : SP5 Geometric Place Expression (= E94 Space Primitive)" I am not sure about the latest updated version of CRMgeo, because these are the constructs we harmonized later in CRMbase. Best, Martin On 9/26/2023 11:25 AM

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: P168i defines place shortcut

2023-10-04 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
se them.  Making E94 being a subclass of Appellation is a minimal statement about their role. Best, Martin On 10/3/2023 9:41 AM, Schmidle, Wolfgang via Crm-sig wrote: Okay, last one. I had overlooked P82 "at some time within", and of course there is also P172 "contains" and

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Completing the list of shortcuts in CRMbase

2023-10-04 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Agreed with all! Martin On 10/4/2023 12:42 PM, Schmidle, Wolfgang via Crm-sig wrote: Dear All, P81 "ongoing throughout" and P82 "at some time within" are strong shortcuts, but not yet marked as such: E52 Time-Span P81 ongoing throughout E61 Time Primitive E52 Time-Sp

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 490: how to model a file [HW reminder]

2023-09-25 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
selection of what we want to remember. This requires an understanding of our cultures, do we have it? Isn't it? Best, Martin On 9/17/2023 9:42 AM, Гук Дарья Юрьевна wrote: Dear all, beeing out of discussion (too many reasons) I can add a metaphorical opinion. Poem about Gilgamesh is k

[Crm-sig] PLease delete last message inGreek!

2023-09-25 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
On 9/25/2023 12:28 PM, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote: Here some corrections: -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory Institute of Computer Science Foundation

Re: [Crm-sig] Διπλωματική

2023-09-25 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
of the period. If you simply want to say the Event "falls within" the Period, you only assign a timespan to the Period, not the event, because this confuses your "provenance of knowledge", is this clear?, Otherwise, we discuss it in more detail, it is foundational to the CRM.

[Crm-sig] Issue: P168i defines place shortcut

2023-09-25 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear All, I propose a shortcut in CRMgeo for E53 Place P189i is approximated by: E53 Place P168 place is defined by : E94 Space Primitive, for obvious practical reasons. It can have the same label. Best, Martin -- Dr. Martin Doerr

Re: [Crm-sig] Urgent: status of CRMinf, CRMsci, CRMtex, CRMdig, CRMba, CRMsoc

2023-09-24 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
extension. It is used in project work, and may become a potential part of CRMsoc or model on its own. Too early to report. Similarly, activity model, business provisions and obligations. CRMsoc: no news. consolidation of conflicting proposals pending. Please correct, enrich! Best, Martin On 9/23/

[Crm-sig] ISSUE 614: previously (Re: New Issue (if not hidden in 645): Content of Proposition Set)

2023-09-17 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
te the FOL connection between single property assignment and I4. Best, Martin On 9/10/2023 9:52 PM, Martin Doerr wrote: Dear All, I suggest to discuss the meaning of I4 Proposition Set, also related to issue 550, 510, 610 Two problems: A) the content model. If we follow the *logic of P190*, an

[Crm-sig] Issue 490: how to model a file [HW reminder]

2023-09-15 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
se identity or higher symbolic form. Partners of this homework please comment if I have missed something! Best, Martin Forwarded Message Subject:Re: Issue 490: how to model a file [HW reminder] Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 18:35:38 +0300 From: Martin Doerr To:

[Crm-sig] Issue 635 (property quantifier mismatches) and P191

2023-09-13 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
es to it. This is a task for an FOL or so, isn't it? Otherwise, we would need to specialize E54 in CRMbase, not really nice. Opinions? Best, Martin Forwarded Message Subject:Issue 635 (property quantifier mismatches) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 00:00:00 +0300 From:

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 579 (how to model the focus or view of an observation)

2023-09-11 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
! Best, Martin On 8/18/2023 12:00 AM, Eleni Tsouloucha wrote: Dear Martin, all, According to the decision of the 53rd SIG meeting (May 2022), issue 579 <https://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-579-new-issue-how-to-model-the-focus-or-view-of-an-observation>was on hold until we had resolved 583

[Crm-sig] New Issue (if not hidden in 645): Content of Proposition Set

2023-09-10 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
position Sets with a human readable text, rather than a CRM compatible RDF model. Best, Martin -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory Institute of Computer Sci

[Crm-sig] HW issue 556

2023-09-05 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
; or "Rome" unambiguous. Therefore the above may lead to a minimal vocabulary recommended by the CRM for E4 Period and Spacetime Volume I attach the Alexandria terms. Best, Martin -- ---- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for

[Crm-sig] HW Issue 630: redraft the scope note of P38 deassigned

2023-09-02 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
ce of E15 Identifier Assignment. The same identifier may be deassigned on more than one occasion. Examples:   The identifier assignment on 31st July 2001 of the silver cup OXCMS:2001.1.32 (E15) deassigned “232” (E42). (fictitious)  ---

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 615 (scope note of E13 Attribute Assignment)

2023-08-23 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
not specialized but should have been. Best, Martin On 8/18/2023 12:00 AM, Eleni Tsouloucha wrote: Dear all, Back in Luxembourg, the SIG pondered on the lack of subproperty for P140 assigned attribute tothat is specific to E15 Identifier Assignment(unlike the situation with P141 assigned

Re: [Crm-sig] E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has member)

2023-08-01 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
YES! Martin On 7/13/2023 1:20 AM, Pat Riva via Crm-sig wrote: Hello all, I am calling for an e-vote relating to LRMoo. Please vote on the list by *July 26th*. Background: At the end of SIG meeting #55 in May 2023 in Heraklion, the LRMoo WG presented a sketch of a new approach to R10 after

[Crm-sig] CRM applications

2023-05-19 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
i/publications/2021/hyvonen-sampo-model-2021.bib>pdf <https://seco.cs.aalto.fi/publications/2021/hyvonen-sampo-model-2021.pdf>link <https://doi.org/10.3233/SW-223034> Many of the "Sampos" use CIDOC CRM -based data models. All the best, Martin -- -

Re: [Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: Statements about Statements.

2023-05-18 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
://enterprise-knowledge.com/rdf-what-is-it-and-why-do-i-need-it/ best, Martin -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory Institute of Computer Science Foundation for Research

Re: [Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: Statements about Statements.

2023-05-15 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
You are all welcome! I'll send you soon an outline of what I have in mind. All the best, Martin n 5/14/2023 10:55 PM, Dominic Oldman wrote: Hi Martin, I would like to be involved. Thanks, Dominic On Sun, 14 May 2023 at 19:34, Martin Doerr wrote: Dear Dominic, all, Yes, I

[Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: Statements about Statements.

2023-05-14 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
a document analyzing the alternatives. Best, Martin On 5/11/2023 8:01 PM, Dominic Oldman wrote: Hi Just a quick question on this. We develop the model independently of technology. I can see that this discussion is getting technical. I currently implement propositions sets using RDF named gr

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 625: O13 *triggers* scope note [HW reminder]

2023-05-12 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
On 5/12/2023 7:53 AM, Wolfgang Schmidle wrote: Dear Martin, Thank you for your explanations, and sorry that I cannot join the discussion of this issue today. I think my point was that your formalisation is for "directly triggered", whereas the flood example suggests that "trig

Re: [Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc

2023-05-11 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
changing research insights on 3D models. To be discussed!  We can extend E13 to Proposition Sets, which would be very important to describe consistently CRMinf and generalized observations. That would then be most effectively implementd via Named Graphs. Opinions? Best, Martin On 5

Re: [Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc

2023-05-11 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear George, I agree with you below about the historical aspects. The annotation model has the same historical aspect, but is not limited to a single link. Let us discuss! Best, Martin On 5/11/2023 12:41 PM, George Bruseker wrote: Dear Francesco, Martin, Again for the record since I

Re: [Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc

2023-05-11 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear Francesco, This is an excellent paper. I cite: "However, reification has no formal semantics, and leads to a high increase in the number of triples, hence, it does not scale well. " I agree with your proposals. Prov-O mapping is a must for CRM-SIG. Best, Martin On 5/10/202

Re: [Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc

2023-05-10 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
to denote provenance generally and recommend a uniform use of Named Graphs. I am aware that not all RDF encodings support the feature. I that case we could resort to reification. Opinions? Best, Martin On 5/9/2023 10:37 PM, Francesco Beretta via Crm-sig wrote: Dear Christian-Emil, All

Re: [Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc

2023-05-08 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Got it! So, the specific problem is to enable E13 to point to .1 properties.  That appears to be a problem of E13, and possibly of 3M, isn't it? Could be solved by a more specific construct. Best, Martin On 5/8/2023 9:14 PM, George Bruseker wrote: Hi Martin, The problem to solve is, how

Re: [Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc

2023-05-08 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
a Crm-sig *Sent:* 08 May 2023 16:34 *To:* Robert Sanderson *Cc:* crm-sig@ics.forth.gr *Subject:* Re: [Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc Hi Rob and Martin, But the point is not to make assertions about the property class itself but the instance of the property class. The instance of PC14

Re: [Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc

2023-05-08 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Hi George, On 5/8/2023 5:34 PM, George Bruseker wrote: Hi Rob and Martin, But the point is not to make assertions about the property class itself but the instance of the property class. of course The instance of PC14 says Bob was the creator, Bob was a faker... it is a regular abox

Re: [Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc

2023-05-08 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
true sense.  For instance, I cannot imagine the "being part of" a Physical Object for some time to become an entity, because it needs a timespan. Best, Martin On 5/8/2023 12:54 PM, George Bruseker via Crm-sig wrote: Hi all, I would argue that the safest thing to do is to make the P

Re: [Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc

2023-05-06 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
bject, i.e., its truth or not. As such, CRMinf is inconsistent. This is, I think, Issue 614. Best, Martin On 5/6/2023 12:43 AM, Pavlos Fafalios via Crm-sig wrote: Dear George, An instance of a property class represents a statement / formal proposition. Could we thus say that it is al

[Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: Core and Application Models

2023-05-04 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
l procedures associated with the relationship between them". This should also be a didactic goal. Best, Martin. -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory Inst

Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE 588 Implementing the .1 Properties of Base and Extensions in RDF

2023-05-04 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
has so far failed to provide an effective mechanism to specialize models by replacing links by paths, comparable to the IsA. All the best, Martin On 5/3/2023 12:05 AM, Pavlos Fafalios via Crm-sig wrote: Dear Francesco, You have raised some interesting points which, I think, need discussion

Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE Implementing .2 Properties in RDF

2023-05-02 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
ntity. With respect to the statigraphic relations below, I do not agree that there are hidden entities. Simply, I regard this "directed correspondence" construct to be of /epistemic /nature, and it is missing as primitive in the KR languages we use. All the best, Martin On 5/2/2023 3:08 P

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 625: O13 *triggers* scope note PRINCIPLES

2023-04-30 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear All, By the way, I think I just made a statement below about principles. Would you regard this as noteworthy as principles? Best, Martin On 4/30/2023 6:36 PM, Martin Doerr wrote: Dear Wolfgang, Your questions well-taken, but please do not seek a logical surrogate of reality. It does

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 625: O13 *triggers* scope note [HW reminder]

2023-04-30 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
d recover landslide examples from the European InGeoClouds project. Good examples could also be some houses falling down at the seaside around Santa Barbara coast in California, because of landing erosion approaching them. All the best, Martin Best, Wolfgang Am 20.04.2023 um 14:01 sch

[Crm-sig] Issue_510_Belief_Adoption working document

2023-04-21 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
t is aware of a good example. Feedback welcome! Martin -- -------- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory Institute of Computer Science Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas

[Crm-sig] Issue 625: O13 *triggers* scope note [HW reminder]

2023-04-20 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
t al., 2008). The 1966 flood in Florence /triggered/ mould growth on books stored in flooded library rooms (Rubinstein, N., 1966) In First Order Logic: O13(x,y) ⇒E5(x) O13(x,y) ⇒E5(y) **Best, Martin* * -- ---- Dr. Martin Doerr Honor

Re: [Crm-sig] Belief Adoption example, HW issue 510

2023-04-11 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
lternative property or just the Truth Value associated. Opinions? Best, Martin On 4/11/2023 6:50 PM, Гук Дарья Юрьевна wrote: Dear all, if somebody is agree with hypothesis or some thesis, it's clear, but if thereis a reason to be against. How it will work? Sincer

[Crm-sig] Belief Adoption example, HW issue 510

2023-04-11 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
].] See: https://www.britishmuseum.org/blog/who-was-nero, By Francesca Bologna, Nero Project Curator, Publication date: 22 April 2021. accessed 4/10/2023 -- ---- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Labora

[Crm-sig] Illustrating Presence, Issue 523

2023-03-26 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
, but the content has not yet been published. These uses of Presence allow for collecting material from people around important social developments. I do not have access to such cases, and would need help to find them. Best, Martin -- Dr. Martin Doerr

Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-14 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
types, or "appearing within" Groups. The sense of "appears in" does not make claims that cannot be related to evidence. Opinions? On 3/10/2023 9:47 PM, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote: I agree. I think there is still an open discussion how to document such things, but the r

Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-10 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
ational industry creating Tango apparel, training business etc. Rembetiko is still quite confined, has musical rythmic and stylistic characteristics and is not (much) commercialized. Best, Martin On 3/10/2023 9:42 AM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig wrote: It is as I wrote, an inte

Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-09 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
a species surviving. I agree with Franco. Best, Martin On 3/9/2023 8:00 PM, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote: Dear All, I think this is quite overstretching what an activity is. Of course we can make quick and dirty use of any class. I cannot imagine, how an "All Tango Performances"

Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-09 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
challenge is, for me, not to provide a place to say "Tango is here", but to relate individual activities, performances, music, fashions, costumes etc along lines of evolution, variation and cross-fertalization. Best, Martin On 3/9/2023 6:33 PM, George Bruseker via Crm-sig wrote: I'm p

Re: [Crm-sig] New CRMsci e-vote: label for S23

2023-03-04 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
uot; Humboldt refers to the measurement only like that "in this night I could observe some stars to determine the position of..." and the position. He mentions how he was maintaining his clock, one of the best of his time. Best, Martin On 3/4/2023 8:13 PM, Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig wrote: D

Re: [Crm-sig] New e-vote for CRMsci: examples for position measurement

2023-02-13 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
YES! Martin On 2/13/2023 8:19 PM, Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig wrote: Dear all, Many thanks to those who voted for the CRMsci examples. Also, many thanks to Wolfgang who has flagged several inaccuracies with the Titanic examples, done deeper research and has provided further clarity

Re: [Crm-sig] New issue: property quantification mismatches

2023-02-06 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear All, I think this should go for an e-vote, update to include future 7.1.3. Best, Martin On 2/6/2023 12:41 PM, Wolfgang Schmidle via Crm-sig wrote: Dear All, There are some properties where the text version and the number version of their property quantification do not match. Since

Re: [Crm-sig] Property quantifications

2023-01-13 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
is, is that there is no possible world in which they can both exist. On their own, they do not constitute an impossible world. Carlo Meghini has written about alternative and negative knowledge. If you cannot find the respective references, I can search for them. All the best, Martin On 1/13/2023 2:02 PM, Wolfgang

Re: [Crm-sig] E-vote for CRMsci 2.0

2023-01-07 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
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[Crm-sig] Seasons Greetings

2022-12-23 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear All, Best seasons greetings to all of you, and a Happy New Year, hopefully with more peace, more human respect and more awareness of the cultural values of all nations. I am hoping to see many of you in our next meetings. Martin -- Dr. Martin Doerr

Re: [Crm-sig] new ISSUE: O13 "triggers" scope note

2022-12-20 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
. That does not make sense. best, Martin On 12/20/2022 6:49 PM, Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig wrote: Indeed and the original questions raised were about the phrase in the introduction "The association of the two events is based on their temporal proximity, i.e. the triggering event ends

Re: [Crm-sig] P133 spatiotemporally separated from

2022-12-17 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
[E92(x) ∧ E92(y) ∧ E92(z) ∧ P132(x,y) ∧ P132(y,z) ∧ ¬P132(x,z)] (∃x,y,z) [E92(x) ∧ E92(y) ∧ E92(z) ∧ P133(x,y) ∧ P133(y,z) ∧ ¬P133(x,z)] P133(x,y) ⇒ P133(x,y) This seems to be an oversight? (Also in P132.) What is the oversight? Best, Martin Best, Wolfgang _

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 624, linguistic Appellation

2022-12-16 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
I am working on that! Best, Martin On 12/16/2022 11:27 AM, George Bruseker wrote: Dear both, I'm too covidy still to follow this in detail but I think the issue was left, for the notes to show, for Martin to provide an example to show the problem he sees that we cannot see. Cheers

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 624, linguistic Appellation

2022-12-15 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
ere will be no abuse in the sense I, Francesco and LRM propose? Best, Martin So I believe that this does not solve the problem as stated - that E33_E41_Linguistic_Appellation does not have a description outside of the RDFS document. Rob On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 3:54 PM Martin Doerr via Crm-sig

[Crm-sig] Issue 624, linguistic Appellation

2022-12-14 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
the TGN language attributes. For VIAF, we would need a "national" context, i.e., the national library. Best, Martin On Sat, 12 Nov 2022, 2:43 pm Francesco Beretta via Crm-sig, wrote: Dear Martin, all Sorry to intervene so late in this interesting exchange, I was

Re: [Crm-sig] Homework for Issue 624

2022-12-06 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
it creates non-sensical associations. Which of all these do we want, and how to model the latter? Best, Martin On 12/6/2022 2:11 PM, Francesco Beretta via Crm-sig wrote: Dear all, Reconsidering the whole exchanges in this issue, and the examples, notably those by Martin on November 9th

Re: [Crm-sig] issue 534Shortcuts, .1-properties and the long paths

2022-12-01 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
and we add P125(x,y,w) ⇐ (∃z) [E70(z) ∧ P16(x,z,w) ∧  P2(z,y)] I hope this is correct. Christian-Emil *From:* Crm-sig on behalf of Martin Doerr via Crm-sig *Sent:* 30 November 2022 16:11 *To:* crm-sig@ics.forth.gr *Subject

Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE 609 Homework

2022-11-30 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear Thanasis Yes,it is about Issue 610, but it is also an epistemological background for an interface to CRMinf (Issue 609), where we would need to study how such arguments can be documented. Best, Martin On 11/24/2022 3:17 PM, Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig wrote: Thank you

Re: [Crm-sig] issue 534Shortcuts, .1-properties and the long paths

2022-11-30 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
z. Is that what you mean? I'd support creating such a P125.1. Best, Martin On 11/30/2022 3:57 PM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig wrote: B: Typo: P125  should be P125.1 in the bold phrase. "The implication from the long path to the shortcut is ok since the shortcut has no .1-prope

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 613 Inverse shortcuts

2022-11-30 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
, Martin On 11/30/2022 3:02 PM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig wrote: Under the discussion of issue 616 'shortcuts in P50 has current keeper, P52 has current owner, P55 has current location' it became clear to me that axioms of the form 'lefthandside(x,y)⇒ (∃z)[righthandside(x,y,z

Re: [Crm-sig] issue 534Shortcuts, .1-properties and the long paths

2022-11-30 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
=H4sIAONgFuLUz9U3MC1KKshT4tVP1zc0TM4uS8s2LrbUUspOttIvyywuTcyJTywqQWJmFpdYlecXZRcvYpXzKM3NzcxLT8osSlFIzEtRCEgsLs7Mz0vLyS9PLSoGAIh-wfhh=X=2ahUKEwiZlaabgNb7AhVJs6QKHUxQCjEQtq8DegQIGRAH=1637=989=1.82#imgrc=h3dJnCUjqXZDvM On 11/30/2022 3:35 PM, Martin Doerr wrote: Dear Christian-Emil, I agree with your precise analysis, except for: A)  I'd argue that P138.1 mode of representation is indeed identical to P62.1

Re: [Crm-sig] issue 534Shortcuts, .1-properties and the long paths

2022-11-30 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
om would have to be added: P125(x,y,w) ⇔ (∃z) [E70(z) ∧ P16(x,z,w) ∧  P2(z,y)]" I have not understood why "the range instance of P16.1 and P125 must be identical ". E.g., used "passiflora racemosa flower", mode of use "as model", (Martin Johnson Heade,

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 616: shortcuts in P50 has current keeper, P52 has current owner, P55 has current location

2022-11-28 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear All, I would also suggest to deprecate them, if there is no community actively using them. Alternatively, we may think of a general, efficient mechanism to assert that a property is still valid? This may go into the Situation discussion. Best, Martin On 11/28/2022 2:58 PM, Detlev

Re: [Crm-sig] Digging for a unknown issue, help needed

2022-11-26 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
e would need a double instantiation with E4, I think. It's a bit like the chalk on the blackboard, getting smaller and smaller. End of existence of the unit may be obvious or border line. Opinions? Best, Martin On 11/26/2022 12:35 PM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig wrote: A problem i

Re: [Crm-sig] Digging for a unknown issue, help needed

2022-11-25 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
model. This case is a monotonic extension. We may argue that AP5 is a modification in any case, even if it ends up in complete destruction. Then, the end of existence is however not implied. Otherwise, it is a Logical OR of modification and destruction. Opinions? Best, Martin On 11/25

[Crm-sig] ISSUE 609 Homework

2022-11-22 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
practice will be to associate an observation with the negative property. So far my ideas. Best, Martin -- ---- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory Institute of Computer Sc

[Crm-sig] ISSUE 586,557 business model and name

2022-11-21 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
al objects, in particular suspect items. Expert opinions, if possible, from the British Museum about illicit trafficking. All partners on this mailing list are kindly invited to look for other data that could be used. Best wishes, Martin -- ---- Dr. Ma

[Crm-sig] Issue 533 HW, polysemic concepts

2022-11-19 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear All, See Achille's and my homework for Issue 533, to be added to the modelling principles as real life example from CRM SIG discussions. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JhXMH3z8FW55XcyQcQ-XNud1jctTQ-naOf6VJuNC70Y/edit?pli=1 -- Dr. Martin Doerr

[Crm-sig] Issue 294 Missing!

2022-11-17 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear All, am I correct that Issue 294, " * AP29 appears in * AP30 restricted to * AP31 typical for was never entered into the CRMarcheo text? Best, Martin -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Inform

Re: [Crm-sig] error in RDFS for 7.1.1 for the class that is a subclass of E41 and E33

2022-11-13 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
e, and many European languages are not so alien to each other. All the best, Martin On 11/13/2022 11:11 AM, George Bruseker via Crm-sig wrote: Here is fun example of linguistic object which I guess challenges p72 but is still actually diaskedastic and perithoric to our enterprise, brought to yo

Re: [Crm-sig] error in RDFS for 7.1.1 for the class that is a subclass of E41 and E33

2022-11-10 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
ation-wise. I asked for Farsi, because to my best knowledge, Iran uses the Arabic script. Therefore a transcription of Douglas Adams to Arabic script equally applies to Farsi and Arabic. As such, it would not be "Arabic". I hope that makes my reasoning clearer. All the best, Martin O

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