Re: [css-d] unremovable img margin?

2009-03-18 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Wed, 3/18/09, Giuseppe Craparotta gcraparo...@googlemail.com wrote: http://www.giuseppecraparottacv.co.uk/doubts/press.html - Is it any way to eliminate it which is not making the images *block elements*? What you're seeing is the whitespace between those image elements in your

Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-13 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Fri, 3/13/09, Kathy Wheeler kat...@home.albury.net.au wrote: Looking at major general news sites, popular public blogging etc sites, they ALL seem to have fonts set much smaller. This being the case surely the visually impaired surfer, being otherwise perfectly normal

Re: [css-d] Q and A (Question and Answer) format using ul

2009-03-13 Thread Bobby Jack
-- On Fri, 3/13/09, Els el...@tiscali.nl wrote: I think that Q and A should be part of the content, not the styling. Without CSS and without images, the content of the page should still make sense, so I reckon you'll want to have the images for Q and A with alt text, or just plain text,

Re: [css-d] My layout needs your help

2009-03-13 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Fri, 3/13/09, Kim Brooks Wei kimi@kimbwei.com wrote: (The link's in the signature, David ;) My h1 doesn't appear inline as I want it to in the page's first paragraph. Your h1 is inline, but your paragraph isn't. Side navigation is giving me a bit of trouble. The content type

Re: [css-d] Descendant selector works differently in IE and FF

2009-03-05 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Thomas Burkhart tho...@burkharts.net wrote: Just have a look at my site http://www.ourmagic.net/index_copy(1).htm If you look at it in IE and in FF you will recognize that the submenu Close Up . Test Looks different. Which version of IE? It looks near-enough

Re: [css-d] Descendant selector works differently in IE and FF

2009-03-05 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Thomas Burkhart m...@burkharts.net wrote: The submenu Close Up . Test is completely white. And it should according to this here be grey .subMenu a:link, .subMenu a:visited { color:#7D7D7D; } Also still wrong, the second menu point Test should be

Re: [css-d] Using margin on paragraph wrapped around block

2009-02-19 Thread Bobby Jack
From: Thom Brown thombr...@gmail.com See: http://killingcupid.co.uk/blog2.php So basically I want non-titles to appear further right than the title. Floating the paragraph actually does this, but then it no longer wraps. Hi Thom, A very simple option is to apply extra right margin on the

Re: [css-d] Font sizing

2009-02-18 Thread Bobby Jack
From: Ron Koster r...@psymon.com Hey, I have a solution: ALL web sites should be created as PDF files! HTML/CSS be damned! With PDF, everything looks *exactly* how you intended, it's zoomable to any factor you want, and prints out perfectly each time, every time. Every frustrated designer

Re: [css-d] Global Rules?

2009-01-28 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Wed, 1/28/09, johny why johny...@gmail.com wrote: i want to apply the !important rule to all the properties (height, color, etc) of a.myclass, by stating !important only once for the entire element. You could achieve this with a CSS pre-processor if you really want to, but the

Re: [css-d] Alternative to table layout for border-image wi thout CSS‑3

2009-01-26 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Benct Philip Jonsson melr...@gmail.com wrote: Awaiting browser support for CSS 3 border-image, http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-css3-border-20021107/#the-border-image can anyone suggest a good alternative to a table layout for faking the effect as on http://melroch.se?

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: The CSSOverlords

2009-01-23 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Fri, 1/23/09, Joseph Sims metronom...@yahoo.com wrote: Imagine if other mediums had to deal with the same reasoning that the media they produce has to look the same when viewed with inferior technology. I'm young ... You may be young but, IMHO, you speak a lot of sense! :) It's nice

Re: [css-d] Continuing IE6 support

2009-01-23 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Sat, 1/24/09, Jen Strickland gu...@comcast.net wrote: I don't understand why it is a problem if the web development community chooses to stop supporting IE6. Users who need IE6 for certain applications, can continue to utilize IE6 for those applications, if the so desire and the

Re: [css-d] Footer-problem

2009-01-22 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Ib Jensen ibkjen...@gmail.com wrote: Considering that FF, belongs to the better part of the browsers, I've would have expected that FF had shown it more correctly than IE in this case. Ib, as pointed out in my earlier response to your post, Firefox (and all the other

Re: [css-d] Pragmatic look at our CSS future - ripped from: The CSSOverlords

2009-01-22 Thread Bobby Jack
From: Nancy Johnson [mailto:njohnso...@gmail.com] The problem with getting rid of IE6 is too many internal applications especially in the business community will only work in IE6, like the internal application we use. From: Michael Stevens bigm...@bigmikes.org So, who's the rocket

Re: [css-d] Inline styles vs. external style sheet

2009-01-22 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Sarah Atkinson sarah.atkin...@cookmedical.com wrote: Many of these styles are a one use style ... What true benefit do I get by adding these to as css page vs. leaving them inline? If what you say about 'one-use' is *really* true, just: 1. Smaller HTML files and, thus,

Re: [css-d] Footer-problem

2009-01-21 Thread Bobby Jack
Ib Jensen wrote: Well, then I hope that I somehow can get FF to look like IE in this situation. Because IE is showing the Footer as I want it to look. A classic problem: due to IE's bugs, it displays the page incorrectly, but as required. It's only natural to blame the non-IE browsers in

Re: [css-d] Scrollbar styles (etc.) validation

2009-01-19 Thread Bobby Jack
Also, for a variety of different things (like link colors, etc.) I get a bunch of these warnings (not errors)... You have no background-color set (or background-color is set to transparent) but you have set a color. Make sure that cascading of colors keeps the text reasonably legible.

Re: [css-d] Adding margins to the hr element

2009-01-19 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Mon, 1/19/09, Brett xba2...@zoominternet.net wrote: The curious thing is that I get a 20px bottom margin as expected, but I do not get a 20px top margin, why not? Works for me (FF3). You might be experiencing margin-collapsing, or some other side-effect of some other style, depending

Re: [css-d] Chrome and css

2008-12-22 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Mon, 12/22/08, david gn...@hawaii.rr.com wrote: My daughter's no geek (she's a fibre arts graduate) and uses Chrome on her Windows Vista desktop PC. Still you should test in Safari, too. Is that the consensus here? Test on BOTH Safari and Chrome? Does that mean you should also test on

Re: [css-d] Ordered and Unordered Lists

2008-11-04 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Doug Jolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just noticed that apparently the full spectrum of list-style-types apply equally to both ordered lists and unordered lists. So, ordered lists can have a list-style-type of disc and unordered lists can have a list-style-type of

Re: [css-d] Floated divs don't stay in place when text size is increased

2008-10-30 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Debbie Roes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.kristenluke.com The CSS file is at http://www.kristenluke.com/styles.css The site looks fine when the Text Size is set to Medium (default). However, if I increase the Text Size to Larger or Largest, the layout gets

Re: [css-d] Margin padding problems with IE FF

2008-10-22 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Wed, 10/22/08, jasmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read somewhere that using * {margin: 0; padding: 0; } can reset the margin and padding values to 0 but when testing I still encounter problems with padding and margins. What you're talking about here is usually referred to as CSS

Re: [css-d] declaration specificity - less-specific line overrides more-specific line?

2008-10-13 Thread Bobby Jack
On Oct 12, 2008, at 11:25 AM, Erik Harris wrote: I've got a ul element buried with this hierarchy: div#sidebar ul li#pages ul I've got the following two lines in my stylesheet: #sidebar ul ul {margin: 5px 0 0 10px;} #pages ul {margin: 0em; padding: 0em;} Despite the

Re: [css-d] Property Group Compression

2008-09-30 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Tue, 9/30/08, Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what's wrong with using a class on those links ? Keeps the selector much shorter... .my-heading-links:link, .my-heading-links:visited {} I'd argue against that - much better, IMO, to keep the markup as clean as possible,

Re: [css-d] Unwanted margin in IE7 when applying border to an image

2008-09-12 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Fri, 9/12/08, Simone Haider | Nullstars [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/12 Tim Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] No problem in FF3, but IE7 is introducing extra space (margin ?) above the border. I've not tried IE6 yet. Perhaps you should try display:block; for the two images. Otherwise

[css-d] Table formatting and the 'empty-cells' property

2008-09-12 Thread Bobby Jack
In my continuing quest to test current CSS implementations to the limit, I'm investigating the various properties available for styling tables. It's early days, but they seem to be the poorest cross-browser-implemented feature since styling of form elements. Specifically, I'm looking at the

[css-d] Rounding errors with em units

2008-09-09 Thread Bobby Jack
Hi all, I'm working on a layout in which I need to specify width, margins, in fact, almost every measure, in 'em's. Great, I've chosen to go this route, but have quickly run into problems, namely rounding errors, predominantly in IE. It turns out that Aem + Bem != (A+B)em - at least, at

Re: [css-d] Copy and Paste: about the Chrome browser

2008-09-05 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Gabriele Romanato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: during my long experience in CSS testing, I've learned a great lesson about web browsers. There are two types of browsers: original browsers and clonings. ... [lots more] Gabriele, This is dangerously close to being off-topic,

Re: [css-d] Width: 100% and the like

2008-09-04 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Jess Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in FF OSX, the black bars extend the full 100% (yay) but the main layer does not, making them hang awkwardly off the edge. The value of 'width' refers JUST to the content area (in modern, strict browsers), and does NOT include padding,

Re: [css-d] width:100% + padding/margin question

2008-08-22 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Bill Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In an overflow situation, collapsing margins will prevent any bottom margining (faux padding) to appear on the last element contained with #box2. I've never found a decent workaround for this, but the code above will give you three

[css-d] Margin collapse around float

2008-08-22 Thread Bobby Jack
According to the CSS2.1 spec Vertical margins between a floated box and any other box do not collapse, yet my testing reveals that, in the following arrangement: 1. a normal paragraph 2. a floated paragraph 3. a cleared paragraph margins collapse between 2 and 3, but not between 1 and 2. At

Re: [css-d] Margin collapse around float

2008-08-22 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Safari 3.1.2 seems to be doing what you said ...: | Normal Paragraph | | | Floated Paragraph | | cleared Paragraph Spot on. And now that IE is the only one of the big 4 to display the behaviour that seems to be described in

Re: [css-d] width:100% + padding/margin question

2008-08-22 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Bill Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Test Page: http://theholiergrail.com/focus-on-style/bottom-margin-collapse-with-overflow-auto.html Thanks, Bill. That's more-or-less the exact same test I had and, FYI, the border does NOT collapse on FF2/Win. - Bobby

Re: [css-d] Margin collapse around float

2008-08-22 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The margin-top of paragraph 3 actually collapses with the margin- bottom of paragraph 1, but is then extended by the used height + margins of paragraph 2. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#flow-control Of course!

Re: [css-d] Forms

2008-08-20 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Wed, 8/20/08, Lesley Binks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to these statistics http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp Firefox is used by about 42% of the population with IE7 and IE6 combined making up 51.7% of usage with IE7 just under 27%. I think these stats

Re: [css-d] Double-floats

2008-08-20 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Wed, 8/20/08, Anthony Aziz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read a bit of that section but I haven't gotten anywhere with it. I put together a sample of the site I'm working on, you can see the problem here: http://aaziz.org/test.html I simply want Section B to clear the image. I'm

Re: [css-d] Dynamic Navigation Link Aid

2008-08-05 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Stephen Carrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to find a way to style the navigation links in a document that will highlight the page that the user is on, and do it in such a way that I don't have to hand-code every page. In short: use a unique (between pages) id on

Re: [css-d] prob with margin, padding and bg images

2008-07-31 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Thu, 7/31/08, fomede asaah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was a problem withthis margin and padding and using bg image for h2 can someone take a look at this link: http://www.pizza-suljo.de/help/test.html Try: .box h2 { height: 28px; } (the height should be the image height - the 5

Re: [css-d] Fixed up Style sheets !!!

2008-07-29 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have fixed some of my problems I have encountered on my site, there are a few more issues and I have done some over view of the styles and so forth. I'd like to know if you take a look at the page at

Re: [css-d] How do you measure a box element in pixels

2008-07-23 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know how to measure a box element in pixels to get the height ? Hi Christopher, This would be a javascript issue rather than a CSS one, so you might want to try a different list for an in-depth response. In short, start with the

Re: [css-d] Weird h2-in-a-dt-element behaviour...

2008-07-23 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Sharon Go [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to have a knack of finding odd bugs... This is certainly a new one on me, too. I have a mandate to add a simple h2 inside the dt of a definitions list. So I added the h2. And for some weird reason, FF dumps the h2 *outside*

Re: [css-d] H1 Tag top Margin and Browser Issue

2008-07-23 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to move the h1 text main down using top margin just a little and it's not moving http://www.walkfar.ca/test/productionsite10.html Christopher, As has already been suggested, until you fully understand the box model - in

Re: [css-d] H1 Tag top Margin and Browser Issue

2008-07-23 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Kevin Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When writing CSS, remember the C of CSS -- styles cascade down to the sub-tags within a section. Kevin, Whilst you are certainly correct that CSS behaves in this way, it is not due to the 'cascade', which is commonly confused with

Re: [css-d] H1 Tag top Margin and Browser Issue

2008-07-23 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I adjust the margins on the .maintext the #location moves too, how come? --- and I did install FireBug, I just would like to solve this, I really have to get this done ASAP and I have already spent a great deal learning CSS,

Re: [css-d] Space between Border and Padding

2008-07-22 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Tue, 7/22/08, Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [css-d] Space between Border and Padding To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 3:46 PM David Laakso wrote: Christopher wrote: Hello, I would like to make a

Re: [css-d] Space between Border and Padding

2008-07-22 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Tue, 7/22/08, Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have tried almost everything, I just would like a space between the border and the padding so they don't touch. OK, the only motive I can possibly think for this is that you want two different background colours between the content

Re: [css-d] IE/FF differences padding/margins etc

2008-07-18 Thread Bobby Jack
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Pete Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have taken over the development of a site (www.squremilenew.com/design2/n-index.asp css at www.squaremilenews.com/design2/sqn.css) which I need to tidy up. In FF, the DIV contentframe needs to be reduced

Re: [css-d] EM based layout issue between Firefox and Safari on Mac

2008-07-09 Thread Bobby Jack
From: david [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Campbell wrote: I am trying to establish a foundation for an em based layout and I am seeing some discrepancies between Firefox 2 and Safari 3.1.2 on the mac that I had not noticed before. My example file I am referencing is available at

Re: [css-d] Same style but different bg behaviour

2008-07-08 Thread Bobby Jack
Your display: inline is (at least) partly responsible - can you explain why you're setting this? FYI, the Firebug Firefox extension is excellent for debugging this kind of thing in seconds. - Bobby --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Kim Brooks Wei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kim Brooks Wei [EMAIL

Re: [css-d] Border causing extra space!

2008-06-25 Thread Bobby Jack
I can't reproduce the exact problem in your page, but it sounds very much like it might be a collapsing margins issue, e.g. http://www.fiveminuteargument.com/collapsing-margins - Bobby --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Ian Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ian Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [css-d]

Re: [css-d] Multiple float 'columns' and gutters

2008-06-23 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Sun, 6/22/08, Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not use a CMS or at least a server side include that editors could update without messing with the structure ? Hi Barrett, While that is certainly one possible solution: a) We're already using a (not very good) CMS, and I don't think

Re: [css-d] Hidding text behind a graphic

2008-06-23 Thread Bobby Jack
My immediate thought would be: h1 a { position: relative; height: 62px; } h1 a img { position: absolute; top: 0; background-color: inherit; } BUT, you might want to test that under different browsers and/or wait for further responses, because I'm not an expert on all of IE's idiosyncrasies.

Re: [css-d] positioning inside table cell?

2008-06-20 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Thu, 6/19/08, Ingo Chao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CSS 2.1: 9.1.3 leaves position:relative on elements with table-* undefined. That's 9.3.1, for those following along :) http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#choose-position

[css-d] Multiple float 'columns' and gutters

2008-06-20 Thread Bobby Jack
Hi all, I'm working with a design that aligns several (well, 2, 3, or 4) 'panels' in a 2 'column' grid, a bit like: [1] [2] [3] [4] These are contained in a fixed-width box, and the mechanism currently used is to float 1 3 to the left, float 2 4 to the right, assign fixed widths, and leave

Re: [css-d] div ontop of a div ?

2008-06-16 Thread Bobby Jack
Hi Christopher, Before you even start to think about CSS, you need to understand some key HTML concepts, which aren't really relevant to this list. Try a search for HTML tutorial or similar. However, a few basic points: * In HTML, name represents an 'opening' tag and /name represents its

Re: [css-d] Can someone take a look for me, please?

2008-06-13 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Fri, 6/13/08, Michelle Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.actingforreal.com/wordpress/ it's validating just fine, but for some reason, the main content is dropping (on the left side) below the sidebar on the right. Now, *normally* this would be due to some clearing

Re: [css-d] linking an entire td

2008-06-04 Thread Bobby Jack
--- Scott Haneda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I link and entire td in a table? I can only seem to get it to work if I set an explicit height, which in this case, I do not know ahead of time As you suggest / fear, I don't think this is possible. Setting height: 100% to the 'a' will

Re: [css-d] linking an entire td

2008-06-04 Thread Bobby Jack
--- Rob Emenecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I link and entire td in a table? I can only seem to get it to work if I set an explicit height, which in this case, I do not know ahead of time As you suggest / fear, I don't think this is possible. Setting height: 100%

Re: [css-d] height of div used to create divider line / other

2008-05-29 Thread Bobby Jack
--- Giuseppe Craparotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.giuseppecraparottacv.co.uk/html/form/competition-form.html 1) The second row of the incomplete form page is composed by two fieldsets whose the first has float:left applied. Fine, but: why the height of the whole row is

Re: [css-d] IE6 vertical margin and padding differences

2008-05-23 Thread Bobby Jack
--- James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know why this is happening? I thought I had encountered most IE bugs before ... it doesn't even seem to be down to the box model differences since I've not specified a height on anything. It definitely looks like a hasLayout problem - this is

Re: [css-d] Nested div break in IE7

2008-05-18 Thread Bobby Jack
--- Daniel Botting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks fine in FF and Opera, a little broken in Konqueror and completely broken in IE7. Hi Daniel, I'm not sure as to exactly which IE bugs or CSS deviations are in play here, but I notice immediately that you might have much better luck by

Re: [css-d] Text Wrap around Floated Div

2008-05-13 Thread Bobby Jack
--- Del Wegener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be a conflict between FF, lists, and floats. I think you're right here. Although David raised the legality issue, a div within a list item is perfectly valid (floated or not), and this equivalent of your original does render as expected

Re: [css-d] help with problem in CSS

2008-04-28 Thread Bobby Jack
(This is my first reply to the list, so please forgive any breaking of conventions, and feel free to tell me if I'm doing anything wrong!) bookpage, the footer problem is related to your use of 'float: left' on the elements preceding the footer. Since the footer isn't cleared, it 'sticks' to

Re: [css-d] help with problem in CSS

2008-04-28 Thread Bobby Jack
--- bookpage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for your suggestions and help. I had to use float left in order to get the hr to display in FF. I have used the clear:left and now the navbar and footer will not center. I tried taking out the float:left and my hr disappears again. The

Re: [css-d] thumbnail problem in explorer ??

2008-04-28 Thread Bobby Jack
--- Rob freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All looks fine in firefox 2.0 and safari on the Mac, but as always when viewed in explorer 7? I'm dreading to see what it looks like in explorer 6. I've noticed this image-clearing problem in IE before - adding a 'br' between the image and caption

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