RE: [css-d] Rounded tabs in IE

2005-10-26 Thread Graham Cook
Hi Tammy, The following url may assist http://www.telstra.com.au/standards/accessibility/training/comparison.htm . I wrote this a few months ago. The stylesheet for the horizontal tabs is below. You will have to sdjust the margin and padding offsets to suit your images but it should give you a

RE: [css-d] Mac Problem (site causes browser crash)

2005-10-26 Thread Shane Porter
Following a site check (thanks everyone), it transpires that the site: http://www.freshclickmedia.com/previews/endo/home.htm causes a browser crash on the Apple Mac (reported specifically on IE 5.2.3, but I'm now concerned about other mac browsers.) you have made extensive use of the

Re: [css-d] Good looking fluid-width sites

2005-10-26 Thread Al Sparber
From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's completely relevant. You have to resize your browser window after the page loads to see that it's stuck in IE 6 sp 2. Then, if you reload the page at the new resolution, the javascript works and the layout snaps into place. But only on reload, not

Re: [css-d] Good looking fluid-width sites

2005-10-26 Thread Michael Wilson
Al Sparber wrote: I honestly think your browser is not set up correctly. That's the only explanation. Yeah... the only explanation is that we (those of us who have seen the issue) are idiot n00bs. Of course your work is flawless... wtf were we thinking? I don't use IE for anything other

[css-d] Site check - esp. Mac UNIX

2005-10-26 Thread Mark Batty
Hi all (Susan, this has the 'you are here' effect) I've been tidying up my code and added a 'you are here' effect; hopefully I've not broken anything. Would you be able to check it for me, especially on Mac and UNIX; I'd be interested on how it handles at different resolutions as well if anyone

Re: [css-d] Tabs inside of containers

2005-10-26 Thread Christian Heilmann
Hi, I am trying to build a horizontal list menu (using an unordered list) and I want to place it inside of a container along with other things such as a header and a search form. Also, I'd like to make it flexible so that if a user increases the font size, the navigation tabs enlarge with

Re: [css-d] background color/color declarations - why?

2005-10-26 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Hi Ron, Pringle, Ron wrote: snip Again, no color or background-color is applied to this since all paragraph text is colored on the p tag and I obviously want the background image in the secondaryBottom div to show through. And yet the validator throws specific errors indicating that I haven't

Re: [css-d] New article on PIE - In Search of the One True Layout

2005-10-26 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
snip I can reproduce it consistently, and make nearly all the boxes disappear simply by inserting my cursor at the beginning of any heading and dragging through the content past the bottom of the box. If I keep dragging downward, I can make all of the boxes (except the purple one) scroll

Re: [css-d] background color/color declarations - why?

2005-10-26 Thread Adam Kuehn
Pringle, Ron wrote: I'm trying to understand exactly why the W3C CSS validator now spits out errors for instances where you do not declare a color on a property with a background-color declaration, or vice versa. It doesn't. The validator spits out WARNINGS for that situation, not ERRORS.

Re: [css-d] background color/color declarations - why?

2005-10-26 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
I originally replied to this off-list, but as the link looks like being useful to more people than Ron, I'll send it here too: Hi all- I'm trying to understand exactly why the W3C CSS validator now spits out errors for instances where you do not declare a color on a property with a

Re: [css-d] New article on PIE - In Search of the One True Layout

2005-10-26 Thread Alex Robinson
I am running Windows XP Pro SP2 with Firefox 1.07. Are you saying you didn't test this on Windows? No. I'm saying that I don't have access to a Windows box at the moment and that I can only use the OS X versions which obviously don't have the problem. Yes I obviously didn't test for this

Re: [css-d] New article on PIE - In Search of the One True Layout

2005-10-26 Thread Tom Livingston
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:05:32 -0400, Donna Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone else, since Alex needs confirmation? Donna Casey Wow. How'd you do that!?!?!? OS X FF 1.0.7 Don't see it in Safari or Opera 9pr1 Mac - under Tiger -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic

[css-d] Styling input button+select box -- still looking for answer

2005-10-26 Thread Geoff Dougherty
Hi. Posted this the other day and didn't see any answers. Please help if you can. I have a select box set up with a 20px image as the submit button. I've tried several approaches to get the select box and the button to line up so that they're more or less vertically centered (the gif is taller

Re: [css-d] New article on PIE - In Search of the One True Layout

2005-10-26 Thread Tom Livingston
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:15:55 -0400, Alex Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyhow, even if no one is up for doing the test case, can someone please say whether the problem occurs on either the boxes or the borders examples? Or even the simple unadorned one? Boxes did not act the same FF

RE: [css-d] Tabs inside of containers

2005-10-26 Thread Beauchamp Michael J CONT NPRI
Thanks for your response. The problem I'm having is not the look of the links. I wanted to have a header section of the page that contained all of the things in that section. I finally gave up on that and used this html: div id=header div id=newnav ul

Re: [css-d] Good looking fluid-width sites

2005-10-26 Thread Christian Montoya
This message *may* be viewed as a pointless addition to this argument, but, I don't like to see a guy on his lonesome in a fight!! :D best, -Stuart I'd like to request that everyone on CSS-D stop making this into a fight. I am not fighting, and as I'm the one who brought up this bug,

Re: [css-d] Tabs inside of containers

2005-10-26 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Beauchamp Michael J CONT NPRI wrote: Thanks for your response. The problem I'm having is not the look of the links. I wanted to have a header section of the page that contained all of the things in that section. I finally gave up on that and used this html: div id=header div

Re: [css-d] New article on PIE - In Search of the One True Layout

2005-10-26 Thread Al Sparber
From: Alex Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes I obviously didn't test for this exact problem in this exact browser on this exact platform. Probably because the OS X and Windows XP version of Firefox gave the same behaviour so many times inn my repeated save reload rituals that I often would check

Re: [css-d] Good looking fluid-width sites

2005-10-26 Thread Al Sparber
Christian Montoya wrote: This message *may* be viewed as a pointless addition to this argument, but, I don't like to see a guy on his lonesome in a fight!! :D best, -Stuart I'd like to request that everyone on CSS-D stop making this into a fight. I am not fighting, and as I'm the one who

RE: [css-d] background color/color declarations - why?

2005-10-26 Thread Pringle, Ron
Yes. The possibility that someone may have a user style sheet set up with his or her own colors, which may end up contrasting with your colors. So the idea is that if you're going to reset one of the user's preferences (color or background color), make sure you reset both of them so

Re: [css-d] New article on PIE - In Search of the One True Layout

2005-10-26 Thread Michael Wilson
Donna Casey wrote: 1)http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/onetruelayout/example/rounded 2) insert cursor just before text Block2 in the green inner box As well, you cannot get the boxes back by reloading the page or hitting back button and returning, though you can click the example

[css-d] Frustration learning css for layout

2005-10-26 Thread David Agnew
CSS is clearly elegant and powerful, and I have little difficulty using it to style elements. And using divs for layout - which I'm new at - works pretty well designing for ONE browser. But trying to make the layout look right for 'all' browsers is driving me nuts (and I suspect I have

Re: [css-d] Good looking fluid-width sites

2005-10-26 Thread Stuart Homfray
Christian Montoya wrote: This message *may* be viewed as a pointless addition to this argument, but, I don't like to see a guy on his lonesome in a fight!! :D I'd like to request that everyone on CSS-D stop making this into a fight. Christian, I have emailed you privately on this. The

RE: [css-d] New article on PIE - In Search of the One True Layout

2005-10-26 Thread Duckworth, Nigel
Suggestion for a fix: remove the position: relative in .wrapper h2 Ingo's fix worked for me FF 1.0.4 on XP. -Nigel __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ --

[css-d] ALA Sprite based menus issues

2005-10-26 Thread Graham Reeds
I have several drop down menus which have several items on each. In total that is 31 different options. Quite a bit of code went into making the onmouseover events work, and it doesn't quite work well in all browsers and it doesn't scale well (there is a lot of broken code in the js). The

Re: [css-d] problem with caption box

2005-10-26 Thread David Laakso
Trish Meyer wrote: At 9:29 AM -0400 10/25/05, David Laakso wrote: You might take a look at these methods for setting images and captions(note the file is 4.01 consequently the p is not closed): http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/figures.html It doesn't help me with my next problem of

Re: [css-d] New article on PIE - In Search of the One True Layout

2005-10-26 Thread Alex Robinson
Small testcase: http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/tmp/fxselectbug.html Confirmed with Firefox 1.0.5 [Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.9) Gecko/20050711] Not scrolling/bug fixed in Firefox 1.5beta2 [Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b5) Gecko/20051006]

RE: [css-d] Frustration learning css for layout

2005-10-26 Thread Dean Matsueda
Without knowing or understanding some basics, I get the feeling that I'm building on quicksand, and thinking fondly of tables. I totally sympathize but you hit the nail on the head... to master any piece of web technology (or just about anything really) you've got to get a thorough

[css-d] Present nested tabular data without using table tags

2005-10-26 Thread Rob Freundlich
(bear with this one. it takes a lot of non-CSS setup before I get to the actual CSS question) I am working on a report-generating application that includes the ability to do nested subreports. For example, suppose the user defines the following reports: Report 1: Pets. Displays Name, Kind of

Re: [css-d] Frustration learning css for layout

2005-10-26 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
David Agnew wrote: CSS is clearly elegant and powerful, and I have little difficulty using it to style elements. And using divs for layout - which I'm new at - works pretty well designing for ONE browser. But trying to make the layout look right for 'all' browsers is driving me nuts (and I

Re: [css-d] Safari bordering a td that has NO style to it

2005-10-26 Thread Scott Haneda
on 10/26/05 9:41 AM, Johnnie Blevins at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like a bug from here, but I won't swear to that. You could get around it (at least in the case you showed), by adding the following entry to your style sheet. td[colspan]{ border: 1px solid transparent

Re: [css-d] New article on PIE - In Search of the One True Layout

2005-10-26 Thread Donna Casey
Duckworth, Nigel wrote: Yep, exactly as Donna described. But...I can also make everything disappear by clicking on the little square box in the top right with the [x] in it. ;) Seriously though, who does this (besides us)? And is this problem unique to this method? I suppose someone wanting to

Re: [css-d] New article on PIE - In Search of the One True Layout

2005-10-26 Thread Donna Casey
windows xp pro sp2, not osx Tom Livingston wrote: Wow. How'd you do that!?!?!? OS X FF 1.0.7 Don't see it in Safari or Opera 9pr1 Mac - under Tiger __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [css-d] New article on PIE - In Search of the One True Layout

2005-10-26 Thread Alex Robinson
I didn't mean to stir up trouble, I just thought you'd want to know. I didn't mean to cause the boxes to disappear at all - they just did for some reason and I finally figured out what I must have done to cause it. Of course I wanted to know Donna. It's an excellent catch. Anything that

RE: [css-d] New article on PIE - In Search of the One True Layout

2005-10-26 Thread Duckworth, Nigel
well, except for the client that wants to be able to copy and paste content from their site into whatever they want to use it in... it's quite common for folks to copy/paste something, from an address to phone number to entire paragraphs...and use it in other media, don't you think? Darn,

[css-d] ALA Sprite based menus issues

2005-10-26 Thread Graham Reeds
My description probably wasn't the best in the world so here's a link to some code that demonstrates my problem: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/graham.reeds/sprites/ Thanks, G. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[css-d] Safari and another td issue

2005-10-26 Thread Scott Haneda
http://www.newgeo.com/web/css/z/index.html The images are 112px wide, I also have the td's all set to 112px wide, yet I get this border. The outer table will be variable in that I do not know how many images are to fit in the table, could be 1-5, so I can not easily set a width to the table. I

[css-d] 2 Column layout + equal height problem

2005-10-26 Thread Alison Lee
Hi, I've got the age-old problem of trying to create a layout that has two columns that appear to be equal height, one fixed width and one fluid, no matter which column has more content in it. http://www.aycee.co.uk/x_temp/test.html (http://www.aycee.co.uk/x_temp/test.css) The layout

Re: [css-d] CSS Validation

2005-10-26 Thread Vicki Stebbins
At 07:56 PM 26/10/2005, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Vicki Stebbins wrote: For me, I'll now include in my written estimate of a job, a clause which says something about 'warnings' in validation services just to cover all avenues. If you come up with a good text then let me know - off list, I guess.

Re: [css-d] Good looking fluid-width sites

2005-10-26 Thread Al Sparber
From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [css-d] Good looking fluid-width sites When making the window narrower, the min-width expression should kick in at about 750px.

[css-d] Put gap in list styled for navigation

2005-10-26 Thread Paul Jinks
Hi I've got a ul that I've styled as a nav bar. Fine. My client has now asked to have a gap the width of 1 list item to separate the last two list items as they are links to external sites. If you want to take a look, go to: http://www.digitalbeginnings.shef.ac.uk Here's the basic code:

Re: [css-d] Safari and another td issue

2005-10-26 Thread Holly Bergevin
From: Scott Haneda [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.newgeo.com/web/css/z/index.html The images are 112px wide, I also have the td's all set to 112px wide, yet I get this border. The outer table will be variable in that I do not know how many images are to fit in the table, could be 1-5, so I can

Re: [css-d] Good looking fluid-width sites

2005-10-26 Thread Christian Montoya
There is a link now in this page: http://www.projectseven.com/csslab/testing/minmax/cssp5.htm The link loads a second page that simply has the min-width set to a smaller value and the max-width to a larger value. Do both pages behave for you or just one? They really do both work. I wonder

RE: [css-d] background color/color declarations - why?

2005-10-26 Thread Peter Williams
From: Pringle, Ron I'm trying to understand exactly why the W3C CSS validator now spits out errors for instances where you do not declare a color on a property with a background-color declaration, or vice versa. It's just a sanity check sort of a tip. Just intended to alert you to the

Re: [css-d] Put gap in list styled for navigation

2005-10-26 Thread Christian Montoya
I tried throwing the baby out with the bath water Poor baby! How could you throw him out? I'm missing something really obvious, right. But what? Did you try using padding? #external { padding-top:1em; } Also, I recommend putting the external links in a second UL, since using CSS to

Re: [css-d] Put gap in list styled for navigation

2005-10-26 Thread Steve Clason
On 10/26/2005 6:01 PM Paul Jinks wrote: I've got a ul that I've styled as a nav bar. Fine. My client has now asked to have a gap the width of 1 list item to separate the last two list items as they are links to external sites. If you want to take a look, go to:

Re: [css-d] One True Layout Centered

2005-10-26 Thread Jono
On 10/26/05 6:45 PM, anathema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I discovered Alex Robinson's One True Layout [props bro!] the day it was published and have been trying to make it a fixed width centered design. Obviously it is easy in standard compliant browsers simply by putting a margin: 0 auto; on

Re: [css-d] One True Layout Centered

2005-10-26 Thread anathema
margin: 0 12.5% 0 12.5%; Can you explain where you got 12.5%? __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org --

Re: [css-d] One True Layout Centered

2005-10-26 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 27 Oct 2005, at 7:45 am, anathema wrote: I discovered Alex Robinson's One True Layout [props bro!] the day it was published and have been trying to make it a fixed width centered design. Obviously it is easy in standard compliant browsers simply by putting a margin: 0 auto; on the

Re: [css-d] 2 Column layout + equal height problem

2005-10-26 Thread David Laakso
Alison Lee wrote: I've got the age-old problem of trying to create a layout that has two columns that appear to be equal height, one fixed width and one fluid, no matter which column has more content in it. http://www.aycee.co.uk/x_temp/test.html (http://www.aycee.co.uk/x_temp/test.css)

Re: [css-d] One True Layout Centered

2005-10-26 Thread anathema
There are various problems with your file, as far as IE mac goes: 1/ the hack you use to serve the float on wrapper to old IE 5 win - IE Mac fails to recover and sees the float property 2/ the filter you use on the ruleblock #header /* */, #footer /* */ { margin: 0 auto; } IE Mac

Re: [css-d] One True Layout Centered

2005-10-26 Thread anathema
One more thing to add - the issue / problem is not with the #footer and #header. Those are dealt with easily by using text-align: center and margin: 0 auto; Anathema __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [css-d] 2 Column layout + equal height problem

2005-10-26 Thread Holly Bergevin
From: Alison Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aycee.co.uk/x_temp/test.html (http://www.aycee.co.uk/x_temp/test.css) The layout looks just how I want it to in IE (in IE 6 anyway, not sure about others) except the right column doesn't quite stretch the full height of the content div - there's a