As far as I know, Bob Easton was credited with the off-left technique
-- here's what happened to him:
http://www.access-matters.com/2008/04/19/off-left-banned-by-google/
It's something to consider.
What? Not letting your site get hacked?
Tedd, I think you've missed the punchline of Bob's post
At 12:36 -0400 2/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are there any good resources on the best way to create a
standards/accessible totally CSS website with maximum Search Engine
Optimization? In other
words, how can I create a site using only xhtml and css and ensure
that it will
be found in the
Alex, have you found that link about the vector thing being broken?
No :(
And now the top hit on Google for X-UA and conditional comments is...
... this very thread!
I'll keep looking.
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At 11:24 -0700 14/3/08, Alan Gresley wrote:
This is real problem if an author decides that IE8 should to go into
IE7 mode and render like the true IE7. No conditional comments meant
for IE7 are used.
Microsoft have said Developers, you must use conditional comments,
you must use X-UA, these
Can anyone please confirm that the real IE7 will show blue, blue,
green, green and red on all test pages?
http://css-class.com/test/ie8hack-valid.htm
Confirming. Those colors are what the real IE7 shows.
/aol Me too!
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http://www.satzansatz.de/ie8/xua7.html
does not show the generated content, but the Conditional Comment for _IE8_
Is this expected? Even if the X-UA-Compatible is set to IE=7, the
conditional comment acts as if this is IE8?
I noticed this when I added conditional comments to my XU-A tests
I noticed this when I added conditional comments to my XU-A tests
That is, that IE8 matches the conditional comment if IE 8
regardless of what X-UA target you set.
Sorry. I knew what I meant, but forgot that not everyone has access
to the inside of my head...
of editors stays there please.
ie. this thread now over. Thanks.
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At 22:36 -1000 9/3/08, david wrote:
If you have an HTML document that happens to contain another HTML
document in an iframe - and one of the two documents triggers quirks
mode when rendered by itself - is each one rendered in the same mode or
does the browser somehow do one in standards mode and
I've seen a couple of other cases (not related to parsing/selectors
problems but to rendering) where IE8 quirks is equal to IE7 quirks
when this differs from IE6 quirks.
Also, I just noticed (again, this may be old news by now) that
fieldsets and input buttons (and presumably all form
You now have your quirks mode documents with no doctype.
If I put in a quirks mode doctype (HTML 4.01 Transitional, no url)
then IE8 behavior in those two cases changes. It sees the *+html, as
with a standard doctype, like the X-UA IE=8 or 7 overrode the quirks
mode of the document. This is more
In IE6 all lines are of equal length. So this would mean that IE8
is emulating the quirks modes different to how
IE6 and IE7 handle quirks mode. Is this correct?
Nope. Or rather I don't think so. I think your original suggestion was correct.
ie. IE=5 actually causes IE8 to emulate IE6 in
I mostly agree, but not on the Rendered by IE 7 and quirks
combinations. Your documents now have an xml declaration at the
beginning which puts IE6 in quirks mode, but NOT IE7.
The Rendered by IE 7 row should be exactly as the Rendered by IE 6 row.
The screengrabs I'm using are exactly how IE7 (a
At this point I think it's hard to say if with X_UA IE=5IE8 is
emulating IE7 quirks or IE6 quirks, simply because the two are hardly
distinguishable (I guess is more IE7 than IE6.)
Yes, my previous claim that we know it's IE6 was founded on the
assumption that I was serving quirks mode
http://www.fu2k.org/alex/css/cssjunk/ie8/xua
In a nutshell, IE8's emulation of IE6 and IE5 does not appear to be
off to a flying start.
1. Box model not honoured when targeting IE6 and in standards mode
2. Parsing errors not replicated when targeting IE5.
Can someone confirm that the results
IE8 cannot emulate IE6, only IE5 and 7.
WTF?
So IE=6 is actually the same as IE=5. Genius.
Of course, I believe you, but I'm having difficulty tracking down
where Microsoft say this. Any pointers?
2. Parsing errors not replicated when targeting IE5.
Which parsing errors exactly? The IE
... as all previous versions of IE have done
http://www.fu2k.org/alex/css/hacks/fuzzyspecificity
(Reported to the Microsoft beta forum)
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Of course, I believe you, but I'm having difficulty tracking down
where Microsoft say this. Any pointers?
Not yet, but I'm 100% certain this is the case.
Ah, ok. I see the answer in liorean's post. In the white paper /
technology overview
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE8
Is this a comprehensive IE8 page? Or, is it meant only for IE8 Beta? Please
clarify these things on that page.
It's meant to be comprehensive, ie from gestation to birth (and on to
death?) of IE8, betas, release candidates, finals and all. Take a
look
At 20:39 +0300 14/2/08, Ibrahim Y wrote:
Hi folks,
I hope this never been discussed before...
Guess what...
I noticed when I want to reply to
any email from the list that the default reply-to address is the email of
the sender not the list, So, every time I have to reply-all or add the list
At 21:50 -0700 5/2/08, Geoffrey Hoffman wrote:
I installed Office 2007 on my box at work and really like some of the new
fonts that came with it.
http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/a-comprehensive-look-at-the-new-microsoft-fonts/
Anyone know if you can buy them separately somewhere? (I really don't
At 09:46 -0800 6/2/08, Elli Vizcaino wrote:
Hello List,
Not sure if this would fall under off topic. But I
wanted to know what the reasons are for using a strict
doc type as opposed to transitional. I use strict in
my documents but wondered why it seems to be a bad
idea to go with transitional as
At 13:40 -0800 6/2/08, Big Moxy wrote:
The w3 validator clearly is not compatible with Microsoft ASP.NET code.
Here is an example - http://www.cargovango.com/start.aspx. All of the
code that it flags is generated at run time. It's nothing that a
developer adds.
It's annoying because I can never
So do most of you guys hand code? Or do you use a wsywig editor to help?
Sorry Scott, but this is off topic. It's not that it's not an
interesting topic, but rather that this list has 8500+ members and a
purpose to discuss CSS, rather than one's choice of editor /
scripting language /
At 16:08 -0700 24/1/08, Dean Mah wrote:
That would be an issue to take up with the css-d owner and moderators.
evolt.org takes not manage the list, we only host it.
There must be reasons for the list being completely moderated and I
would suspect that the amount of time that a message is held
A combination of display:table (Mozilla, Opera) and
display:inline-block (IE) can cause a wrapper around floats to
shrink-to-fit and thus be made amenable to being centered.
However, Safari (neither 2 nor 3) does not do the shrink wrapping and
so no centering occurs. As far as I know - I'd
So here's the problem, my client is an agency that uses me for design
work and I think they've
wrongly invested their clients money on a table based site, when it
should be all css.
Anyone had a similar problem?
This is off topic since it isn't a question about the nuts and bolts
of actually
until Mark has actually
made his points politely and cogently.
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to figure out where would be the right place to ask this
question forum.
No more posts to this thread please.
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it is not on topic for this list.
This thread is now closed.
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I want the marker centered on the first line of list-item text.
The basic idea is as follows:
ul
{
list-style-type: none;
padding: 0;
margin: 0;
}
li
{
background-image: url(bullet.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
padding-left: 15px;
}
replacing the image url and padding-left with
, are these words of Eric's from the
list policies which I think need repeating:
Above all, if you can't answer with a modicum of respect, or without
feeling somehow annoyed by the question, then DO NOT ANSWER AT ALL.
OK?
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My four rules are:
1. No p tags within p tags.
2. No div, hr, h1 to h6, ul, or li tags inside p tags.
3. No p tags inside li or ul tags.
4. No empty p tags.
Are those rules sensible from a validation point of view?
This is about markup and validation of the resulting HTML and really
doesn't
companies do exist), but
the following query should get you started...
http://www.google.com/search?q=css+style+switch+php
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Please note that display:inline-block in invalid CSS2.1 but is valid CSS3.
Actually it's valid CSS2.1 but not valid CSS2.
Compare
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/visuren.html#display-prop
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#display-prop
Rare is the day Opera gets it wrong.
@media screen and (min-width: 0px){
#foo { padding: ... ;}
}
This is hardly a long term fix.
Safari 3 (due for release along with the next version of OS X within
the next couple of weeks) will support media queries. To exclude it
(and other browsers using
I would like to have solid color leader before some text:
In addition to Georg's (as always) sterling efforts, the css-d wiki
has a few takes on dot leaders.
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=DotLeaders
It should be fairly easy to figure out how to transform them from
dotted to solid
...
It is against Shelfari's policies to invite people who you don't
know directly. ...
As well as being utterly off topic.
Buddhamagnet is now an ex-member of the list.
Let this be a warning to any other css-d member who thinks spamming
the list is a good way to kick start their social
* is the unversal selector. That means it matches all elements. And
that means all elements (including html, head, body etc)
#foo * selects any element which is a descendant of #foo.
my guess is that the double asterisk is a typo or misunderstanding of
css selectors.
No.
It's a common
Most probably it is related to the double html comments in your file.
Remove them.
I've also found that using Conditional Comments (with the condition
being anything but IE) works too
!--[if !IE] I won't trigger the duplication ![endif]--
!--[if !IE] Nor will I ![endif]--
If you
I *do* think this
is a CSS related problem just because we are so often trying to match
text, borders, blocks of background color (all specified with CSS) to
images which are generated from some image editing program or another.
Off topic - no more on this subject please (except that as I'm
At 21:50 -1000 9/8/07, david wrote:
Any good books on XSL?
At work, I'm going to need to be learning about XSL. Any good books?
This has absolutely nothing to do with CSS.
If anyone has any suggestions for David, they should send them to him directly.
But no replies to the list, please.
so what's best practice for something like
this?
A good question, but one that has nothing to do with CSS per se.
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=OffTopic
lists several other mailing lists where you might be better off
asking such a question.
Anyone with ant=ything to say to Lee on
At 08:47 -0700 2/8/07, trevor bayliss wrote:
Just a quick question to get some: when you design pages do you do
it directly from notepad? I was thinking about the merits of using
the dreamweaver tools to design the layout with divs and then get
changing the code. Alternatively do people have
i was wondering whats the best way to semanticly write and style
this List.
Example:
http://www.ceudex.de/test/content_events.jpg
Martin
[css-d] does not exist to discuss how you should go about marking up
your content, but rather how to apply CSS to that markup. Semantics
(and
In my footer i have links that in the hover state are underlined.
I can't see which links you mean. Could you be a bit more specific
about ones you're on about?
It's possible that you have been bitten by what I call fuzzy specificity
http://www.fu2k.org/alex/css/hacks/fuzzyspecificity
Sigh. I went off to peel some mangoes and didn't get round to posting
the message that follows this. And I return to find it all kicking
off.
All I have to add to my message is that people should not engage in
arguments about list etiquette on the list. Since it's part of the
list etiquette
Just trying to reduce speculations :-)
Here:
http://www.brunildo.org/test/test/IEhoverdesc.html
...
In IE6 only the first works.
Right, thanks for that Bruno. A most excellent test case.
At last we have an actual sighting of the beast we've been hunting
and can confirm that there is a bug.
This entire list etiquette argument could have been avoided...
But it wasn't.
If you disagree with me or feel you have anything to say about list
etiquette, then please write to the moderators' address and make your
disagreement/opinions known there.
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But not on list, ok?
At 11:12 +0100 5/7/07, Marcus Taylor wrote:
No. All good for me...
On 5/7/07 11:10, kate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone having problems with mail delivery to the list?
Thanks
Kate
From http://www.css-discuss.org/policies.html
If you suddenly stop receiving list mail, do not post a
But a really good way to get
consistent fonts is to set
body {
font-size:62.5%
}
This along with other resets makes all your fonts equivalent to 10px.
This not only allows you to make nice em sizes like 1.2em for 12 px
etc.
As long as the default font size in the user's agent is such that
100%
OK folks, enough is enough.
Opinions about how browsers should handle zooming and text-resizing
are not what this list exists for.
Nor does the list exist for opinions about whether to use scalable or
fixed sizes.
Questions and help about how to achieve scalable or fixed solutions
on the
Anyone have a better solution?
Yes. Posting to a general web development list rather than one which
is specifically concerned with the practical application of CSS.
You can find numerous useful lists here:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=OffTopic
And of course, there's always
is not on topic
DO NOT POST IT TO THE LIST
To go ahead and post something that you know to be off topic is
totally rude and discourteous to the 8200+ members of the list.
Amazingly enough, despite the amazing rate of change that we see on
teh interwebs, that remains true today...
Alex
At 07:51 -0700 31/5/07, Jon Hughes wrote:
Let me preface this email with this: I do not seek to bloat this list
with discussion not related to CSS problems, so if you reply, use your
discretion as to whether you reply directly to me, or include the list.
If you know (or even suspect) that your
Actually there is quite a lot of stuff about Dean's IE7 on the web
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22dean+edwards%22+ie7
At 14:16 -0700 16/5/07, Doug Jolley wrote:
So, that brings me to my question which is: Does anyone know what's going
on with DEIE7 and whether or not it's usable with
that gives the same information.
Everybody else, return to your positions, be they absolute, static,
fixed or relative...
Best wishes
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At 11:25 -0400 11/5/07, jana coyle wrote:
I am developing a site using a client side shopping cart. It
requires cookies to be enabled and uses some Javascript. IE7 blocks
the cart when it pops up and also blocks the script associated with
the cart. Is there anything I can do about this?
list wiki has some info that might be of
interest to you though:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssFriendlyCms
Please, no more posts on this subject
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frowns on opinions about the future state of CSS/browsers.
We're here to discuss practical matters - there are plenty of other
forums where people can and are welcome to vent off about why IE is
teh big suck...
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=PostingGuidelines
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you might be, no one likes unsolicited smart
aleck responses to questions they didn't even ask.
So, anyhow, like the subject says, let's have no more of this IE6 is
dead / alive / just resting nonsense...
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Zoe,
the problem seems to be related to #project-areas and #latest-news.
Remove those two blocks and the problem goes away. As do the two
blocks. Of the two blocks it's #project-areas which is doing the most
damage. Try setting #project-areas p and #project-areas ul to
display: none to see
At 11:34 + 23/3/07, Barney Carroll wrote:
Wow! I've been under the false supposition that IE7 did not 'believe' in
the nameless super-html object.
How is it, then, that this works while the simple '* html' selector does
not?
Because while Microsoft fixed * html they introduced another
Actually, I think in this case (if it is a proper H5 tag), I'd go with:
ph5Jeff Altemus - Director/h5 First and Second week/p
and *then* add display:inline to the H5.
etc, etc, etc
I'm going to pass over the fact that some of these suggestions have
been truly gruesome and move straight to
At 10:02 -0700 8/3/07, Michael Stevens wrote:
WOW! That's pretty tight administration... I haven't seen a response yet
that didn't have something to do with CSS.
I beg to differ. However, until Eric shows up and says I was wrong,
right or something in between, can people please not leap into
2) what do people think of trying to encode all this data / case
studies on this list into some sort of expert system - i am thinking
something where you could type in keywords or a description of your
problem and the system serves of possible useful info and examples of
problems solved? If
Dear list
You may have noticed a couple of spams appear on the list within the last hour.
Someone is obviously taking the time to subscribe to the list since
only messages from subscribed addresses get through to the list.
Unfortunately, unless the message goes above 20k in size, there's no
It's so slow I can watch the status bar as it says it's downloading the
rollover image... again... and again... and again...
Is there a solution?
Painful I know, but fortunately the answer is that, yes, you can make
those pesky flickers go away
to this list and they
signed up to discuss the pratical use of CSS, not web design in
general or any other topic.
Anyone who has not already, should make sure to read and absorb the info here:
http://www.css-discuss.org/policies.html
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=OffTopic
Alex
Is there a way to force a navigator to display the same colours and
contrats as the original ? (I suppose of course that the screen is able
to display all the colors that are required)
Samuel,
I am afraid that this has nothing to do with CSS and has no place on
this list. I suggest that you ask
At 12:46 -0500 19/1/07, Geoff Krajeski wrote:
Does anyone know a method to bookmark in Safari using Javascript? I'm
using this function currently, but cannot seem to find anything on a
working model for adding in Safari/Mac:
This list is for the discussion of CSS and CSS alone.
Please take
At 17:20 + 11/1/07, Barney Carroll wrote:
This is clearly off-topic to CSS discussion
While I agree that the bulk of Brian's message was not really on
topic, the news about IE7's baby brother's html rendering is
definitely worth its place on the list.
That link again in case anyone didn't
At 14:29 + 8/1/07, Barney Carroll wrote:
Under the strictest rules, all negative number values for measurement
are illegal.
Not true.
Negative values for margin properties are allowed, but there may be
implementation-specific limits.
adwords? such as free
press release sites, good banner exchanges etc?
Please send any such info to Terry directly.
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At 11:04 + 22/12/06, Barney Carroll wrote:
[http://bssh.test.textmatters.com/login/login_form]
This is driving me absolutely insane. Under IE6, the password field is
not clickable. I'm told this can't be anything other than a CSS issue,
and I'm tempted to agree, although nothing I've tried
At 14:29 + 21/12/06, Phil Turner wrote:
Thanks David, its sorted.
I have to quote on a job and Does anyone know if its possible to
build css sites where the client can upload their own text?
The simpler the better.
I'm afraid that this question isn't really about CSS and so
--is there a ways to insert by adding the cose below to jablum's
css file?
FORM ACTION=formtests2.html
INPUT TYPE=TEXT NAME=keywords value =
input type = SUBMIT name=go Value=Search
/FORM
Stephanie,
I'm afraid you appear to misunderstand what CSS is and what CSS
At 23:29 -0500 5/12/06, Diona Kidd wrote:
Btw, has anyone implemented the One True Layout [1] and anchor links?
I thought there might be a javascript or css solution for this short-
coming but didn't have an idea on it.
I presume you've read the relevant appendix:
.square20 { width: 20px; height: 20px; }
.rect1040 { width: 40px; height: 10px; }
#a1 { top: 30px; left: 100px; }
#a2 { top: 50px; left: 50px; width: 20px; height: 50px; }
#a3 { top: 50px; left: 100px; }
Actually, I think that's more complex than needs be
You don't need to specify the widths
As the design planning forerunners of this project, my colleague and I
have begun to look toward ASP.NET 2.0 Master Pages as a solution to
designing templates for the entire website.
ASP and Master Pages don't have very much to do with CSS, so please
take this question somewhere more suitable.
Step away from the microphone...
...and relax
The relative merits of CSS vs Javascript for creating menus are
neither here nor there and the merits of particular javascript
libraries are completely off the radar.
As this thread has nothing to do with the practical nuts and bolts of
CSS, it
My apologies to the list - my instinct was wrong and I held off from
stepping in earlier to stop this thread.
This is getting way off-topic now, so I'm going to leave it at that.
If you ever find yourself writing something like the above...
... STOP! DO NOT PASS GO! DO NOT COLLECT 200 CSS-D
Karen
It would be better to ask such a question on a Dreamweaver mailing
list, since this is a Dreamweaver-related question and not a CSS one.
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_14240
If anyone wants to answer Karen, please do so offlist.
Alex
css-d moderator
At 10:45 -0700 16/11/06, Michael Stevens wrote:
I don't think this is a Dreamweaver question.
It looks to me as though she's asking what the difference or benefit is
between formatting a paragraph as an h3 element or formatting it by span
class=SanText90Centered when h3 and .SanText90Centered are
At 08:43 -0500 9/11/06, Richard Pierce wrote:
Thanks codepo. That would work if I could predefine the color triangles I
want. Unfortunately, I can't- the colors need to be a user defineable
option. I suppose I should have clarified- the colors of the triangles, as
well as the text floating on top-
You're right, of course. But as much as this string isn't about chunks
of code per se I think it's extremely important to discuss these issues
(I believe you do too?) which I have found to be taboo in the community
- but I think this is the place to have it (admin correct me here)... If
not, would
Attribute selectors are part of CSS 2.
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/selector.html#attribute-selectors
Whoops - David is absolutely right. It was only Substring matching
attribute selectors that got added in CSS3. I plain forgot that
attribute selectors predated that.
I have definitions like the one below... Which IE6 simply doesn't seem
to acknowledge.
form[id=resourceSelector] .resource.left
{clear: left; margin-right: 2em;}
Any help?
As Christian has just pointed out, IE6 doesn't understand CSS3
attribute selectors (sidenote: IE7 does).
However, your
$COMPANY rants please.
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AJAX involved.
OK, that's enough.
This thread has gone far far enough.
The usability of css menus is not really on topic. The desirability
of ajaxing menus is definitely not.
Please continue this discussion off list where it belongs.
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I did come up with a fix for Gecko gang which I posted here along
with reservations
http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/77165
Sent to fast, forgot something or two.
1/ the same problems affect recent WebKit (future Safari) builds and
the just release Omniweb5.5.
2/ Nobody
has anything further to add, please add it to the wiki page
rather than on list.
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At 13:27 -0700 17/8/06, Thomas Hall wrote:
I was asked this question today by a fellow designer - Is there an
advantage to the non-use of tables in SEO? As I am not sure how to best
answer this question I thought I'd solicit the opinions of you experts.
Thanks for any help on this. Tom
I'm
/?page=OffTopic
Also, please don't post essentially the same question again if no one
has answered your initial post. Just be patient. Wait a couple of
days. If no one has replied after that time, think about how you
might ask your question better to get the answer you seek.
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At 00:06 +0100 28/7/06, Dave Goodchild wrote:
Has anyone ever noticed that the Google home page and gmail.com use tables
for layout, deprecated elements, frames, font tags, body attributes like
vlink and so on and are invalid xhtml? I am shocked (late night browsing
with FF web dev toolbar). Can
Your calculations are right if, I presume by not adding up you mean
that 35 + 65 = 100, but you have had to use -101% to shift the left
nav column back in place. That is because of IE's rounding errors
when dealing with element sizes set as percentages.
Better would be to make #content 64.9%
My understanding of
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#q4
is that vendor specific properties are perfectly valid (even if to be avoided).
However, using them makes the W3's CSS validator go bonkers crazy. Is
that just another failing of the validator or am I wrong about the
validity
1/ Based on the most recent WebKit nightly builds (aka future
Safari), adding {position:relative} to each column is a (possible)
work around.
This of course
* is only true at the time of writing (WebKit is not a release
version, but beta software; things may change ...)
* is only
Thank you for your reply. The one true layout is really a beautiful
solution
Thank you. Of course it's really three separate solutions for three
separate problems. And there is no Keyser Soze and there is no One
True Layout ;)
I can see how the
anchor was overlooked. I showed you a
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