Re: [CTRL] CTRL Conspiracy

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I fully agree.  There must be some limit.  Or else the group should divide
into subconspiracy groups.

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Re: [CTRL] CTRL Conspiracy

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Who runs this list anyway?   I get so much mail now I am on too many
lists; so, I am getting off others to stay with CTRL

CTRL by reputation is attracting a lot of attention; I have had so many
e mails from people off list, stating how they have found CTRL to their
likingsome also like to fish in deep waters.

The people who run CTRL make the decisions; and if they ever kick me off
list, well - I would deserve it.

Colleen

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[CTRL] 40% Expect "Trenchcoating" in Own Hometown

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Poll: Many Think Attack Possible

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- A new poll found 40 percent of high school students
questioned believe it is likely an attack similar to what happened in
Colorado could take place at their school.

Four in 10 students also answered yes when asked whether any of their
classmates might be troubled enough to do something like last week's slayings
at Columbine High School in suburban Denver, according to an ABC
News-Washington Post poll released Monday.

Two students shocked the nation a week ago when they shot their way through
the high school, killing 12 students and a teacher before shooting themselves
to death.

Against the 40 percent of students who considered the chances likely that
such an attack could happen at their school, 58 percent considered it
unlikely; 49 percent of parents said the chances were likely, opposed to 48
percent who said it was unlikely.

The poll also found that 23 percent of students and parents considered
violence a serious problem at their school, while 77 percent of teens and 76
percent of parents did not. The poll said 88 percent of students felt safe at
their school, while 11 percent felt unsafe.

The poll, taken by International Communications Research, was conducted by
telephone April 22-25 among a national sampling of 500 high school students
and 522 parents of students. The margin of error was plus or minus 4.5
percentage points.

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[CTRL] Japan Arms

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Japan House OKs Military Bills

By CHESTER DAWSON
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TOKYO (AP) -- Japan's lower house of Parliament voted today to approve a set
of bills expanding the country's military alliance with the United States and
its role in safeguarding regional security.

The move was a key legislative victory for Prime Minister Keizo Obuchi, who
had urged lawmakers to pass the bills before his departure Thursday for a May
3 summit with President Clinton in Washington.

The approval came via acclamation, with legislators in favor of the bills
being asked to stand, said a parliamentary official.

Lower house members voted following just three hours of deliberation in a
special committee hearing today convened after a compromise was struck over
the weekend.

Japan's less powerful upper house of Parliament was expected to approve the
legislation in a largely symbolic vote next month.

The new guidelines, the first update of the U.S.-Japan military alliance
since 1978, allow Japanese forces to provide greater assistance to American
troops in Asia and give the U.S. greater access to air and seaports in Japan.

More than 47,000 American service men and women serve in Japan under a 1960
security treaty and other bilateral defense accords. About two-thirds of U.S.
troops are deployed on the southernmost island of Okinawa.

In the event of a regional crisis, Japan's Self Defense Forces will help with
technical support, search and rescue, minesweeping and evacuations. But the
U.S. will supply the military hardware and forces used in battle.

As part of the compromise worked out on Sunday, the guidelines will not
include provisions permitting Japanese forces to enforce economic sanctions
by inspecting foreign ships.

Some groups in Japan oppose the changes, fearing a widened security role
would violate a clause in the constitution barring Japanese forces from
offensive military action.

But even the largest opposition party, the Democratic Party of Japan, backed
passage of two of the three bills, reflecting growing concern among Japanese
about potential security threats in Asia.

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[CTRL] Brazil Economy Teetering

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 Wall Street, get ready for the "Latin American flu."


Ex-Brazil Bank Chief Arrested

By ALEX DUFF
.c The Associated Press

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) -- A scandal tarnishing Brazil's Central Bank is
undermining recent optimism that Latin America's largest economy is on the
road to recovery.

Police arrested former Central Bank president Francisco Lopes on Monday after
he refused to sign a document pledging to tell the truth at a Senate inquiry
into alleged banking irregularities.

He was later released after making a $175 bail payment, the Agencia Estado
news agency reported.

The Sao Paulo stock exchange index plunged after the arrest, closing down 2.1
percent. Traders also predicted strong losses Tuesday.

It was the first time since the founding of the institute 35 years ago that a
former president has been arrested. The bank is equivalent to the U.S.
Federal Bank.

President Fernando Henrique Cardoso late Monday expressed concern at Lopes'
stance, saying he ``neglected to do his duty,'' but moved to play down the
controversy's potential effect on the economy.

``Investors are calm like me. ... We don't need a commotion about a Senate
inquiry or two,'' Cardoso said in a televised interview. ``In the United
States, President Clinton went through various congressional inquiries and
(financial) markets did not die.

``Brazil isn't going to stop ... the government will continue governing and
Congress will continue to vote on reforms,'' he added.

Lopes, who headed the Central Bank briefly during Brazil's rocky currency
devaluation in January, was due to answer allegations that the Central Bank
gave special treatment to some banks at the time and leaked confidential
information.

But asked by a Senate committee member if he would sign the document before
giving testimony, he said he had been ``advised by my lawyers'' not to do so.

``I don't feel I can testify here as a witness because I am being accused,''
Lopes told the committee.

Senators suspect Lopes fed economic consultancy firm Macrometrica with
information on the Central Bank's next moves on interest rates and foreign
exchange while he was president. Lopes owned the firm, which gives advice to
banks, until 1995.

Their suspicions are based on documents seized at Lopes' house during a
police search earlier this month.

Lopes' refusal in the Senate to sign the document Monday -- equivalent to
refusing to swear an oath on the Bible in court -- was seen as a strategy by
Lopes' lawyers to take his case to a regular court.

Lopes was president of the Central Bank for just 15 days before being
dismissed. He had held other posts at the bank since 1995.

He was replaced on Feb. 2, without an official explanation, days after
implementing a policy allowing Brazil's currency, the real, to float freely
against the dollar.

In the two weeks after the policy was introduced, the real plunged 32 percent
against the dollar, sparking fears of a serious knock-on effect in other
countries.

But the government quickly won Congress approval of several reforms demanded
by the International Monetary Fund to implement a $41 billion aid package.

In recent weeks, fears that inflation would take hold have subsided, the real
has grown stronger and foreign investment has started to return.

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[CTRL] Clinton Calls for Increased Port Security

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Port Security Agency To Be Created

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Clinton administration is creating a special
commission to study crime and security on the nation's docks and suggest
improvements to Congress.

The commission will be similar to one the administration created to study
airport security, said Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., who suggested the new
commission, which will bear his name. President Clinton will announce
formation of the Graham Commission on Seaport Crime and Security on Tuesday,
the senator said.

Currently ports handle 95 percent of the nation's trade. Over the next 15 to
20 years, cargo and passenger trade is expected to triple.

In a statement, Graham's office said: ``Unfortunately, our port management
systems are decades behind the rest of the world and decades behind our own
airport management systems. Seaports have also become a nexus for problems of
crime -- drugs, auto and cargo theft, illegal immigration -- and food safety.

The secretaries of transportation and the Treasury, Rodney Slater and Robert
Rubin, and Attorney General Janet Reno will head the commission.

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[CTRL] Internet Blamed for Columbine Bombs

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Internet Provides Bomb Blueprints

By JOHN HENDREN
.c The Associated Press

LITTLETON, Colo. (AP) -- Two things may have made it easy for the Columbine
High School gunmen to arm themselves for their bloodbath: gun shows and the
Internet.

The ingredients used in the explosives were especially easy to find: nails,
BBs, duct tape, metal pipe, broken glass and gunpowder.

Authorities in Littleton are investigating whether an 18-year-old girlfriend
of Dylan Klebold bought two of the weapons in their arsenal at a gun show.
They are also exploring whether Eric Harris downloaded bomb-making
information from the Internet.

Anyone with an afternoon to spare and access to a hardware store and
fireworks can make the kind of bombs assembled by the students in Littleton.
And with 250 million guns in American homes -- more than the number of cars
-- a gun is as accessible to high school students as a weekend ride,
according to gun researchers and bomb technicians.

Four days after the Littleton massacre, police who searched the home of three
Texas teens accused of plotting a strikingly similar attack at their junior
high school in Wimberly found gunpowder, homemade bombs and bomb-making
instructions downloaded from the Internet.

``If they're talented on the Net, they could probably find the information in
an hour or two and take a trip down to the local hardware store,'' said Eric
Stalnaker, a captain with the Metro Arson Strike Team in San Diego, which
finds about 30 homemade pipe bombs a year.

``And if they're cutting open fireworks and taking out the powder -- which is
a dangerous thing to be doing -- probably in one or two days they can have a
couple of pipe bombs.''

Harris is reported to have described stripping gunpowder from firecrackers on
a Web page that has since been removed. (One of Harris' friends has said the
teen-ager worked at a fireworks stand and always made sure he was paid in
fireworks.) One explosive, which never went off, was made from a 20-pound
propane tank and an egg timer. Nails and BBs were packed in the pipes to
maximize the shrapnel that would tear into victims with each blast.

The Littleton killers were hardly pioneers.

Pipe bombs have been around for decades. When a Baltimore boy made a package
bomb that blew the arms off a neighbor who had accused him of vandalism in
1995, he had simply followed the instructions in ``The Anarchist Cookbook,''
according to juvenile court files made available by a Baltimore judge on the
condition that the boy's name not be used.

The $25 book, first published in 1971, is available at stores like The
Tattered Cover in downtown Denver and quoted in dozens of Internet sites. The
enthusiastic 160-page how-to guide includes a chapter on bomb-making that
notes, ``The formulas and recipes in here are real, they can be made by
almost anyone and they can be performed in the kitchen.''

Most students could find the guns used in Littleton in a day or two, said
Alan Lizotte, a professor at the State University of New York at Albany who
has tracked the gun habits of more than 1,000 Rochester, N.Y.-area youths for
13 years. Once, on a bet, a fellow researcher went to Boston Common to see
how long it would take to find a black-market assault weapons.

``It took him about an hour to find someone who wanted to know how many M-16
automatics he wanted,'' Lizotte said.

Thousands have found them. More than 6,000 American students were kicked out
of school for toting weapons in the 1996-97 academic year, according to the
Education Department.

Because no paperwork is required in a private gun sale, a buyer can find a
private seller at a gun show and exchange cash for a weapon without informing
anyone. That includes sales of the TEC DC-9 the boys used. The gun was made
illegal for manufacture in the 1994 federal assault weapons ban but can still
be legally sold.

On Monday, Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., a lead sponsor of the assault
weapons ban, cited several Web sites where buyers can make similar private
sales without the waiting period and background check required in a sale by a
licensed dealer.

``The World Wide Web has now become an international, electronic gun show,''
Schumer said. ``These are two glaring loopholes that allow criminals and kids
to get guns. The future of the black market in guns is the Internet.''

On April 19, 1995, the day of the Oklahoma City bombing, Simon Wiesenthal
Center found only one Web site it considered a ``hate'' site. Today it
catalogs 1,500.

``The battlefield on hate has forever shifted in America,'' said the center's
associate dean, Rabbi Abraham Cooper. ``Everything now is on the Internet.

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[CTRL] "International Lawbreaker" NATO Worries World

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NATO Actions Concern Other Nations

By AUDREY WOODS
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LONDON (AP) -- NATO's intensifying air campaign against Yugoslavia and its
decision to impose an oil embargo are raising hackles in Europe and serious
concern in Asia.

Following the alliance's 50th anniversary summit in Washington, NATO's goals
in the battle with Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic are not the only
concern. Some worry about the precedent being set, and NATO's eventual
direction.

``If NATO is trying to sideline the Security Council and define its own ends,
the international community can and should feel a little uncomfortable,'' an
editorial in the Madrid daily El Mundo said Monday.

``Are we building Europe politically in order to renounce its defense,
leaving it in the hands of an organization that is in the end financed and
led by the United States?'' it said.

Sweden's Aftonbladet newspaper called for ``an unyielding fight ... by
Europe's member states ... in order to break the American hegemony.''

It wasn't all criticism of the 19-nation alliance's show of solidarity in
their military campaign to halt Milosevic's oppression of Kosovo Albanians.

Over Russia's objections, NATO agreed to intensify the airstrikes and to
impose the embargo, enforced by NATO ships, but made no decision about
sending in ground forces.

``The good news from Washington was that the NATO countries will live up to
the responsibility they took upon themselves when they started the war,''
said Denmark's Politiken daily.

Jyllands Posten, another major Danish newspaper, noted NATO's show of unity
and called the meeting ``a strong statement'' showing that NATO countries
will stand together.

The leading Spanish daily El Pais said it was good that the concept of
humanitarian intervention was gaining strength, but that ``a legality is
being broken that is not being replaced, and other countries, such as China
or Russia, could make use of a similar route if they want to intervene in
their zones.''

The dispute with Russia was a cause for concern in Australia and Asia.

``Moving to cut oil supplies to Yugoslavia will put NATO in conflict with
Russia,'' just as it is celebrating its long role as Europe's peacekeeper,
the Sydney Morning Herald said.

In South Korea, the embargo was front page news in most major newspapers. An
editorial in the Chosun Ilbo said the embargo officially designates NATO a
``full-scale international police'' force, and could weaken the role of the
U.N. Security Council.

In Japan, a key U.S. ally, some newspapers questioned the alliance's goals.

``Can NATO maintain a balance in Europe, or does it create more tension? The
absence of the Russian president at the summit symbolizes the problems that
NATO is facing,'' the Asahi Shimbun said in an editorial Sunday.

In China, the concerns ran even higher.

Fearful that allowing NATO to act without U.N. approval could set a precedent
that might one day be used against China, Chinese leaders have used the
state-run media to demonize the alliance, portray the Yugoslav resistance as
heroic and stir up Chinese nationalism.

``Cannons cannot crush the truth,'' read a commentary in Sunday's Yangcheng
Evening News on last week's bombing of Yugoslavia's state-run television
station.

Britain seized on remarks by Yugoslavia's deputy prime minister, made as the
summit ended, that Serbs should be told the truth that NATO is not cracking.

British Defense Secretary George Robertson said Monday that Deputy Premier
Vuk Draskovic's comments ``show that inside the system the facade of unity is
cracking wide open and we know that there is deep discontent inside the
military high command.''

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[CTRL] UN Chief Chides EU for Doing US Bidding

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Annan Asks Europe To Assert Own Power

By PAUL GEITNER
.c The Associated Press

BERLIN (AP) -- U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan exhorted western Europe on
Monday to assert its power by speaking with a single voice, saying
responsibility for world affairs should not be left to the United States
alone.

Rather than accept the view that the United States is the world's only
remaining superpower, Annan said Europeans should ``ask themselves if they
are satisfied with the world as it is ... If not, they surely should do
something to make their influence more effective.''

He made his remarks during the annual Berlin Speech, a gathering of
politicians, business leaders and diplomats that has become a forum to
present challenging views.

Annan expanded on a theme raised by German President Roman Herzog, who
appealed to Germans to regain confidence and solve the nation's problems when
he launched the forum in 1997.

The U.N. chief touched on the crisis in Kosovo, but mainly used the occasion
to chide European leaders for failing to coordinate foreign policy to allow
the 15-nation European Union to speak with a voice more in line with its
economic might, which rivals the United States.

``The impression outsiders get is that of a union preoccupied with its own
affairs, which does not play the wider role that could be expected of it,''
he said.

After much delay, the EU hopes to name a ``foreign policy coordinator'' this
year, but how much clout this appointee will have is unclear because of
differing views from the 15 capitals.

Annan also repeated his intention to name envoys to mediate the crisis in
Kosovo. He said they would begin work immediately after his three-day visit
to Germany and talks Thursday with Russian leaders in Moscow.

Candidates reportedly under consideration are former Swedish Prime Minister
Carl Bildt, who was a U.N. envoy to Bosnia, and former Austrian Chancellor
Franz Vranitzky, who helped restore order to Albania after that country's
1997 collapse into chaos.

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[CTRL] Half A Million NATO Ground Troops ?

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 "James Anderson, national security analyst at the conservative Heritage
Foundation, says it may take 500,000 NATO ground troops to conquer Kosovo."


NATO Reconsiders Size of Ground War

By ROBERT BURNS
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- NATO military planners are reviewing whether their
months-old estimate of how many troops it would take to win a ground war in
Yugoslavia -- 200,000 in the worst-case scenario -- is still valid, taking
into account the results of NATO bombing and Serb ``ethnic cleansing.''

NATO and the Clinton administration insist they have no intention of giving
up on the air campaign, now in its second month, and at the NATO summit that
ended Sunday the administration's opposition to committing combat troops
remained firm. Even so, NATO has not ruled out the ground option.

The alliance says it has not begun any detailed planning for ground
operations in Yugoslavia, but as a first step it is recalculating what it
might take if air power alone fails to break President Slobodan Milosevic.

Harry Summers, a retired Army colonel who writes about military affairs, said
NATO's high-end estimate of 200,000 troops is likely to become its low-end
estimate once it takes into account the threshold for pain the Yugoslavs have
shown during the air war. NATO thought Slobodan Milosevic ``would fold at the
first push,'' he said, but instead he has remained defiant and shown no sign
of caving.

James Anderson, a national security analyst at the conservative Heritage
Foundation, says it may take 500,000 NATO ground troops to conquer Kosovo if
the mission requires seizing Belgrade and fighting throughout the country. To
seize Belgrade but not occupy the entire country would take up to 200,000
troops, he says.

NATO has fewer than 20,000 troops in the region now, including a U.S. Army
combat force of Apache helicopters, airborne infantry, anti-tank missiles and
armored vehicles in Albania that soon will total 5,300 soldiers.

NATO Secretary-General Javier Solana also wants a new assessment of how many
troops might be required if their mission were to keep a negotiated peace in
Kosovo rather than to impose a peace by engaging in a ground war. The
estimate last summer was 25,000 to 30,000 troops for a peacekeeping mission.

As Pentagon spokesman Kenneth Bacon said last week, current conditions are a
long way from the ``permissive environment'' that NATO wants before
committing ground troops. The official NATO position is that it won't do that
until Milosevic bows to NATO's demands, which include pulling out of Kosovo
and accepting a NATO-led peace force.

``As much as I wish he would stop the fighting, the killing, and take all his
troops out tomorrow, we don't have any evidence that's about to happen,''
Bacon said. ``Should it happen it would take him some time to get the troops
out, and I think we would have plenty of time to mobilize'' a peacekeeping
force.

It remains possible, however, that NATO leaders will change their minds and
decide to launch a ground war or use troops to resettle Kosovar Albanians
without a peace agreement. It is that possibility, remote as it seems now,
that motivated Solana to order a reassessment of what it would take to enter
Kosovo, either in peace or in combat.

Much has changed since NATO military authorities made their first assessment
of ground options:

Four weeks of allied bombing have largely isolated the Yugoslav army and
special police forces in Kosovo by destroying ammunition, fuel and other war
resources and knocking out many of the bridges, roads, airfields and rail
lines needed to resupply the troops inside Kosovo.

The cumulative effect of NATO bombing on the Serb army would suggest a
smaller ground troop requirement than before the air war started March 24. On
the other hand, some Pentagon officials believe the Serbs' resilience and
will to resist in the face of relentless bombing suggest just the opposite.

The Serb military forces in Kosovo have driven hundreds of thousands of
ethnic Albanians from the province and left hundreds of thousands of others
homeless in their own land. Bacon said the Serbs' ``depopulation campaign''
in Kosovo would be taken into account in the NATO assessment.

The number of Serb forces in and around Kosovo has grown since last year, to
roughly 40,000, by the Pentagon's estimate. And in recent weeks they have
been digging defensive positions along the Albanian and Macedonian borders in
apparent preparation for a NATO land invasion, Bacon said.

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[CTRL] Clinton E.O. re giving National Parks to U.N.???

[Lloyd Miller]

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Can someone help on this question?  Executive Order
Number.

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Subject: Clinton E.O. re giving National Parks to U.N.
Hi,

Came across your very interesting post while searching DejaNews for an
Executive Order that I have heard about -- where Clinton supposedly gave
some of our National Parks (maybe Yellowstone) to the United Nations.  I
would very much like to know the E.O. number so I can try to find a copy
on the Internet.  I have hit nothing but deadends; can you help?

Thanks.  Bill Velek

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Re: [CTRL] Clinton Calls for Increased Port Security

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> Port Security Agency To Be Created
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> WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Clinton administration is
> creating a special
> commission to study crime and security on the
> nation's docks and suggest
> improvements to Congress.
>
> The commission will be similar to one the
> administration created to study
> airport security, said Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., who
> suggested the new
> commission, which will bear his name. President
> Clinton will announce
> formation of the Graham Commission on Seaport Crime
> and Security on Tuesday,
> the senator said.
>
> Currently ports handle 95 percent of the nation's
> trade. Over the next 15 to
> 20 years, cargo and passenger trade is expected to
> triple.
>
> In a statement, Graham's office said:
> ``Unfortunately, our port management
> systems are decades behind the rest of the world and
> decades behind our own
> airport management systems. Seaports have also
> become a nexus for problems of
> crime -- drugs, auto and cargo theft, illegal
> immigration -- and food safety.
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> The secretaries of transportation and the Treasury,
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> Rubin, and Attorney General Janet Reno will head the
> commission.
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Now that China has established their intelligence
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[CTRL] Fwd: CHINESE GENERALS INSIDE THE COMMERCE DEPT.

[Kris Millegan]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith/19990427_xcsof_colluding_.shtml

In 1994, Chinese General Ding Henggao announced a new project to
modernize the People's Liberation Army.  In 1994 General Ding
Henggao was the head of COSTIND (Chinese Commission of Science
Technology and Industry for National Defense).  General Ding
introduced the world to the red Army "16 Characters Slogan" or
"military production first" project.

The General's new project showcased a joint U.S./Chinese
commission, co-chaired by Ding and U.S. Defense Secretary Dr.
William Perry.  According to an article published in Aviation
Week and Space Technology, a Pentagon spokesman stated the
Commission was "not going to be selling arms to China" (AW&ST
page 62, March 21, 1994).

However, General Ding had other things in mind.  According to
documents forced from the Clinton administration in Federal
Court, Perry had just returned from an October 1994 trip to
Beijing.  In October, 1994, Perry promised PLA General Ding a
"Cray supercomputer to be used by the Chinese nuclear weapons
establishment to help design newer and safer nukes."

In addition, according to the Commerce Dept. documents, PLA
Generals openly discussed with the Clinton officials a wide
array of military technology including the main functions of the
Army unit COSTIND, "1) Aerospace, 2) Aviation, 3) Electronics,
4) Ground Force Military Equipment, 5) Shipbuilding,[and] 6)
Nuclear".

PLA General Ding Henggao led a delegation of Chinese Army
officers to Washington, D.C. in November, 1994.  The mission to
Washington included a closed meeting at the U.S. Commerce Dept.
with Defense Secretary William Perry.

Ding, of course, was not alone on his visit to Washington, D.C.
The meeting at Commerce included some of the highest ranking PLA
officers to travel outside of China.  General Ding brought his
trusted aide, and second in Command at COSTIND, Lt. General Huai
Guomo.  In addition, Ding brought Maj. General Fu Jiaping, and
Maj. General Chen Kaizeng.  Ding even brought one of the top
spies in the Chinese Army, Major General Hou Gang, Deputy
Director of the Intelligence Department of the PLA General Staff
Headquarters.

Nor was Perry alone on the American side at the D.C. Commerce
Dept. meeting.  The official U.S. government delegation included
several familiar Pentagon faces such as Ken Bacon, Assistant to
the Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs, and Major General
David Mcilvoy from the office of the Joint-Chiefs of Staff.  The
meeting also included Commerce Deputy Undersecretary Barry
Carter, Dr. Eden Wong from the office of the Secretary of
Defense, and the Assistant for White House Affairs, Margaret
Sullivan.

In addition, Perry was also assisted by his trusted friend, Dr.
John Lewis.  Perry appointed Lewis to the Defense Policy Broad.
Lewis, however, is listed at the 1994 PLA meeting as "Stanford
University, Civilian Consultant to SECDEF."

According to the Commerce documents, Dr. Lewis was a paid
consultant for the Dept. of Defense and a "consultant" to Dr.
William Perry.  Ironically, PLA General Ding, PLA General Huai,
Secretary Perry and Dr. Lewis also shared a joint business deal.
In fact, their "joint" business sold advanced, secure,
communications equipment to the Chinese Army.

In 1994, Dr. Lewis, Dr. Perry and General Ding helped form a
U.S./China joint venture called Galaxy New Technology that
included the U.S. company SCM/Brooks Telecommunications.  This
venture led to the direct export of advanced, secure,
fiber-optic communications systems to a Chinese Army unit.

A 1996 report from the Department of Defense shows that Dr.
Lewis was being paid three times for the same meeting in 1994.
First, Lewis was paid by the Chinese Army as a member of the
Galaxy New Technology project.  Second, Lewis was paid by the
Pentagon for serving on the U.S. Defense Policy Board.  Finally,
Lewis was paid by Secretary Perry as his personal defense
contractor.

Since the Federal Court order from Judge Payne stated "all"
documents, the Commerce Dept. either withheld or failed to
deliver the same 1996 report from the Dept. of Defense.
Commerce could only deliver a single page of the multi-page
report, which they returned in response to the Court order on
July 23, 1999.  The remaining pages are either being withheld,
have been destroyed, or were never found.

The Commerce Dept. neglected to check the SOFTWAR lawsuit and
the SOFTWAR web page.  This reporter included the ENTIRE 1996
DOD report as evidence in the original lawsuit and the full DOD
report has been available for nearly a year on the internet.
The entire DOD report was delivered to SOFTWAR in 1998 as being
found at the Commerce Dept.  In fact, the report was returned in
response to a previous Freedom of Information (FOIA) request
against the Commerce Dept.

According to these documents, in 1994, Defense Secretary Perry
personally pushed for the Galaxy New Technology deal and
personally lobbyied against NSA objections.  Perr

[CTRL] Halliburton, Brown & Root & Dresser Industries History

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
http://www.halliburton.com/corp/about_background.asp
http://www.halliburton.com/corp/about_background.asp">Who We Are |
Our History

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Halliburton and Brown & Root have been the mainstays of the company
since 1962 when they joined forces to form a unique and powerful
corporate entity. And now through the merger with Dresser Industries, a
world-class energy services company with its own history of success in
the oil and gas business, Halliburton Company continues to offer
additional value-added solutions to the energy industry.

Erle P. Halliburton founded Halliburton in 1919. His ingenious oil well
service methods revolutionized the oil industry. His grit and
willingness to accept risk helped his company to rapidly grow into a
worldwide oil field service company.

Herman Brown, with his brother George, created one of the premier
engineering and construction firms in the world. Also founded in 1919,
Brown & Root


Building on the tireless efforts of its workers and the merger with
Dresser Industries, Halliburton Company has raised the bar to serve its
customers better.


embarked upon projects that the faint of heart wouldn't touch -- delving
into the earth's core and revolutionizing earth sciences, designing and
building massive industrial structures including platforms for deepwater
oil and gas exploration, and aiding astronauts in their exploration of
outer space.

Dresser Industries was established as an energy services company in
western Pennsylvania in 1880 during the nation's initial oil boom. In
the 1930s, the company made a dramatic expansion into the compressor
industry, leading to the next four decades of strong growth.

In 1987, the acquisition of The M.W. Kellogg Company, the premier
technology-oriented contractor for hydrocarbon processing projects,
created a leading service role in downstream engineering and
construction. Since this key acquisition, Dresser has concentrated on
increasing its upstream supply capabilities and providing products,
services and solutions for subsea oil and gas production projects.

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[CTRL] OEN 4/27/99

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
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http://www.aci.net/kalliste/">The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe
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Oil Market

U.S. Opts Out of Yugoslavian Oil Embargo

Keynsian Economics: First we sell 'em oil. Then we bomb the oil tanks.
The oil companies and the bomb
manufacturers make more money this way. The taxpayers? Who cares? The
sheep will pay.

THE European Union yesterday banned oil sales to Yugoslavia, but in a
development that will be regarded as scandalous in European capitals,
America confirmed that it had no plans to follow suit.
This means that while it is now illegal for any EU country to export oil
to Slobodan Milosevic, it remains perfectly legal for American companies
to continue to fuel the Serb war machine.

On April 10, two weeks into the conflict, the American firm Texaco
shipped some 65,000 barrels of oil products into Bar, the Montenegrin
port. The company said it was assured that the products were for use in
Montenegro but the port now serves as Yugoslavia's only supply route for
fuel. Other routes, including a pipeline from Hungary, or the land
routes from Croatia and Bulgaria have effectively been cut off.

The disclosure that American firms have been selling oil to Yugoslavia
while America pilots have been risking their lives to bomb refineries
and storage facilities is likely to undercut American efforts to
moralise to the rest of the world. Texaco has now publicly stated that
it will no longer sell oil to Yugoslavia. But hundreds of other
companies have yet to do the same.

A US State Department official confirmed there were no plans to
introduce the same sort of legislation that EU foreign ministers
yesterday adopted in Luxembourg, which renders it a crime to sell oil to
Yugoslavia. The embargo will be implemented on Friday.

Nato's communiqué on Kosovo, published at the weekend, stops short of
calling on all Nato members to adopt legal instruments to halt the flow
of oil. What Nato is committed to do, however, is to interrupt the
supply of oil, wherever it comes from, by means of a "visit and search"
regime that will board and inspect ships heading for Bar.

Since international law says ships can only be halted in pursuit of a
United Nations sanctions resolution, it is extremely uncertain what will
happen if a Russian, or indeed an American, oil tanker declines to be
searched. Russia has refused to join an oil embargo so the potential for
conflict is high. If Russian ships were challenged on the high seas, it
might decide to give them military escorts.

Further economic restrictions were also placed on Yugoslavia and it
emerged that the European Commission would halt a promised package of
economic assistance for Montenegro - lest it fell into "the wrong
hands".



The London Telegraph, April 27, 1999


Der Fuhrer Invades Yugoslavia

Milosevic Stronger Than Ever

Anti-Milosevic Sentiment Turns Anti-NATO

BELGRADE - NATO warplanes reduced his home to a pile of rubble, his
television stations off the air and destroyed the headquarters of his
ruling Socialist Party. But President Slobodan Milosevic carries on with
what, to outside appearances at least, is his regular routine. He
presides over cabinet meetings, meets with foreign dignitaries and
issues orders for reconstructing his devastated country.
When NATO began its air campaign against Serb-led Yugoslavia a month
ago, alliance officials expressed the hope that it would cause serious
political strains within the Milosevic regime, perhaps even provoke a
revolt by his senior military commanders. So far, these hopes have not
been realized.

If anything, the man whom President Bill Clinton calls ''Europe's last
dictator'' is more solidly entrenched in power now than he was when the
bombs first began to rain down on his country, according to Yugoslav
political analysts.

Associates depict Mr. Milosevic as a man of strong nerves, angry but
unfazed by the bombing of his residence and determined to resist NATO
''aggression'' to the end, even if the alliance attempts to occupy
Kosovo with a ground offensive. ''Imagine your reaction if a criminal
came and destroyed your home,'' said Foreign Minister Zivadin Jovanovic.
All the same, he added, Mr. Milosevic ''is conducting his business as
president of the republic and commander in chief absolutely normally.''

Asked how Mr. Milosevic reacted to the missile attack on his official
residence in the exclusive Dedinje section of Belgrade, Mr. Jovanovic
quoted him as saying, ''It's terrible, but perhaps less terrible'' than
if NATO had attacked a populated civilian area.

Former associates say the Yugoslav president seems to thrive in
situations in which he has his back against the wall. ''He is stimulated
by crises,'' said an official who has worked closely with him. ''When
everything is normal, he can't come up with a strategy. He needs
conflict. NATO played right into his hands.''

Given the secrecy that surrounds the inner workings of the Yugoslav
regime, and particularly Mr.

[CTRL] ::: Wilhelm Reich's Contact With Space :::

[Kris Millegan]

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::: Wilhelm Reich's Contact
With Space :::

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Subject: ::: Wilhelm Reich's Contact With Space :::
From: Dan Clore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, Apr 26, 1999 11:09 PM
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

REICH'S CONTACT WITH SPACE

by Alison Davidson

"There is no proof. There are no authorities whatever. No
president, Academy, Court of Law, Congress or Senate on this
earth has the knowledge or power to decide what will be the
knowledge of tomorrow. There is no use in trying to prove
something that is unknown to somebody who is ignorant of the
unknown, or fearful of its threatening power. Only the good
old rules of learning will eventually bring about understanding
of what has invaded our earthly existence."

The invasion that Reich refers to in his introduction to
CONTACT WITH SPACE is the invasion of earth by intelligences
from outer space. Very few copies of this remarkable book were
made available, and Reich's extraordinary experiences during
this turbulent period have been swept under the carpet by
'orthodox' orgonomy.

To speak openly of UFO experiences still invites ridicule or
polite smiles of disbelief. Consider then the atmosphere of the
mid 1950s when Reich was not only claiming the existence of
space visitors, but carefully documenting his battle with these
'invaders', while developing his now well-known cloudbusting
techniques.

Reich termed the space craft Ea - 'E' standing for 'Energy',
'a' for alpha or primordial. Ea also represented 'Enigma'...

"Ea is a new event without precedent in our lives," he writes.
"Humanity, with the exception of a few philosophers, had no
idea of the possibility of visitors from outer space. Earthman
had not developed any view, method or scientific tool to cope
with the problem. In addition he has developed in his offspring
a character structure and a kind of thinking which obstructs
the approach to the new fact by way of ridicule, slander and
outright threat to the existence of the pioneer of space
engineering. Therefore our new approach must start from scratch,
as if no science existed at all."

Reich's ability to 'start from scratch' had characterized his
revolutionary approach to psychoanalysis early in his career,
long before he left the restrictive climate of Europe to pursue
his ideas in 'free' America. He is best known for his research
into the fundamental life-energy and for his controversial
methods of sex therapy. His greatest contribution to real science
was his discovery (or re-discovery) of what he called 'orgone',
the life energy at the very roots of existence. Blockages in the
free flow of this energy in the individual caused 'character
armoring' which inhibited the spontaneous expression of joy and
pleasure in life. The nature of this cosmic energy, depending on
circumstances, functioned either as a 'life giving, life
furthering, and reproductive force (OR), or in the absence of
such conditions, turns into a killer of Life (DOR)."

During his orgonomic research Reich was able to measure this
orgone energy and he successfully treated many patients in the
orgone accumulator, a specially layered box wherein the life-energy
was concentrated. It was this unorthodox method of treatment which
brought down the wrath of the Food and Drug Administration upon
Reich, an attack which finally secured his imprisonment, and
death, in a federal penitentiary.

"Orgone energy does not exist," the FDA officials said to the
Judge. Having declared that Cosmic Energy did not exist, it was
obvious that its discoverer must either be a "quack" or a "lunatic".
That, after all, is the rationale of orthodox, mechanistic science
chained to its conceptions of a dead universe.

For Reich, the Universe was very much alive and his approach to
scientific research was functional, taking into account the
subjective perceptions and emotions of the researcher. After all,
he writes, "Classical knowledge may all be wrong, such with the
perfect Copernican circles, the ellipses of Kepler, the empty
space of Einstein, the airgerms of Pasteurian bacteriologists,
the atomic nature of the Universe, etc. To see new things from
scratch, to expect the impossible to be true, belongs to the
emotional equipment of the true pioneering scientist."

"We shall no longer hang on to the tails of public opinion or to
a non-existent authority on matters utterly unknown and strange.
We shall gradually become experts ourselves in the mastery of the
knowledge of the Future."

THE FIRST CONTACT

"From the historic Oranur Experiment of 1951, Reich knew that
nuclear radioactivity had a deleterious effect upon the living
sea of energy in which we all live. From the observations made of
the reaction of a milligram of radium put inside an Orgone Energy
Accumulator, Reich knew that there was an antagonistic relationship
between the energy of life (Ether, Prana, etc...) and the manmade
nuclear energy so recently unleashed upon the plan

[CTRL] ARMY FIELD MANUALS on CD-ROM

[Kris Millegan]

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from alt.conspiracy
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ARMY FIELD MANUALS on CD-ROM

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[CTRL] The Czar, New Mexico, and the three Popes

[Kris Millegan]

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The Czar, New Mexico, and the
three Popes

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Subject: The Czar, New Mexico, and the three Popes
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kansan1225)
Date: Mon, Apr 26, 1999 10:12 AM
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  Before the New World Order can be revealed to the
public, before the Antichrist assumes his throne in front
of the masses, the whole world, all the countries of the
earth had to be initiated through bloody rituals.

  England, the mother country of the Luciferian
Masonic Conspiracy, was initiated in 1649 with the
beheading of King Charles I Stuart.  France, another
prominent member of the red, white, and blue Mafia,
was inducted with the guillotining of King Louis XVI in
1793 at the time of the "Great" French Revolution.

  The rest of the countries have undergone similar
initiations into the Mysteries at various times.  One
important case is Russia.  Its initiation took place on
July 16, 1918, with the execution of Czar Nicholas II
and his family by the Bolsheviks at the time of the "Red"
Revolution.

  The clandestine Luciferian Masonic occultists are involved in
bloody rituals as well as in alchemy.  On the anniversary
of the Czar's death, on July 16, 1945, the CLuMs had
the first atomic bomb explode at the Trinity Site of White Sands, New
Mexico, along the 33rd parallel.  This feat was revealed
to the public on August 6, 1945, when more than
100,000 civilians perished in Hiroshima at the hands of
the "humanitarian" Mason Brother Harry Solomon
Truman.

  This date, August 6, was picked by the Luciferian
alchemists because it is the Feast Day of the
Transsubstantiation of Jesus Christ.  An atomic
explosion transsubstantiates elements like uranium into
other elements.

  But the cycle of world initiations was not yet
complete.  Exactly 33 years to the date after the
Hiroshima Holocaust, on August 6, 1978, Pope Paul VI
died.  The next Pope, John Paul I, died after 33 days in
office under "mysterious" circumstances.

  Many times, Luciferian Masonic human sacrifices
come in threes to honor the Unholy Trinity, the Beast,
the Antichrist, and the False Prophet.  The third papal
human sacrifice took place on the 13th day of May,
1981, the assassination attempt on John Paul II.  This
sacrifice was followed by the Luciferian Masonic
resurrection of Karol Wojtyla as a full member of the
Bloody Brotherhood.

  The time between the first papal sacrifice, the death
of Paul VI on 8/6/78, and the Luciferian Masonic death
and resurrection of Karol Wojtyla ("John Paul II") on
5/13/81, was exactly 33 months and 7 days.  Again, 3 +
3 + 7 = 13, the ominous Masonic hoofprint.

  By now, the whole world has been initiated, the Antichrist is anxiously
waiting in the
wings.  Only those who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior will be saved from
the coming
world-wide disaster.

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Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
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[CTRL] Trained to Kill

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
http://www.christianity.net/ct/8T9/8T9030.html
http://www.christianity.net/ct/8T9/8T9030.html">CT 8/10/98:
COVERSTORY: Trained to Kill

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August 10, 1998


Trained to Kill

A military expert on the psychology of killing explains how today's
media condition kids to pull the trigger.

David Grossman




Why are kids shooting their classmates?
David Grossman is a military psychologist who coined the term killology
 for a new interdisciplinary field: the study of the methods and
psychological effects of training army recruits to circumvent their
natural inhibitions to killing fellow human beings. Here he marshals
unsettling evidence that the same tactics used in training soldiers are
at work in our media and entertainment. CT thinks that parents, the
church, scholars, and the government must come together to study this
question more intensely:

Are we training our children to kill?

Iam from Jonesboro, Arkansas. I travel the world training medical, law
enforcement, and U.S. military personnel

about the realities of warfare. I try to make those who carry deadly
force keenly aware of the magnitude of killing. Too many law enforcement
and military personnel act like "cowboys," never stopping to think about
who they are and what they are called to do. I hope I am able to give
them a reality check.

So here I am, a world traveler and an expert in the field of
"killology," and the largest school massacre in American history happens
in my hometown of Jonesboro, Arkansas. That was the March 24 schoolyard
shooting deaths of four girls and a teacher. Ten others were injured,
and two boys, ages 11 and 13, are in jail, charged with murder.

My son goes to one of the middle schools in town, so my aunt in Florida
called us that day and asked, "Was that Joe's school?" And we said, "We
haven't heard about it." My aunt in Florida knew about the shootings
before we did!

We turned on the television and discovered the shootings took place down
the road from us but, thank goodness, not at Joe's school. I'm sure
almost all parents in Jonesboro that night hugged their children and
said, "Thank God it wasn't you," as they tucked them into bed. But there
was also a lot of guilt because some parents in Jonesboro couldn't say
that.

I spent the first three days after the tragedy at Westside Middle
School, where the shootings took place, working with the counselors,
teachers, students, and parents. None of us had ever done anything like
this before. I train people how to react to trauma in the military; but
how do you do it with kids after a massacre in their school?

I was the lead trainer for the counselors and clergy the night after the
shootings, and the following day we debriefed the teachers in groups.
Then the counselors and clergy, working with the teachers, debriefed the
students, allowing them to work through everything that had happened.
Only people who share a trauma can give each other the understanding,
acceptance, and forgiveness needed to understand what happened, and then
they can begin the long process of trying to understand why it happened.


Virus of violence
To understand the why behind Jonesboro and Springfield and Pearl and
Paducah, and all the other outbreaks of this "virus of violence," we
need to understand first the magnitude of the problem. The per capita
murder rate doubled in this country between 1957--when the fbi started
keeping track of the data--and 1992. A fuller picture of the problem,
however, is indicated by the rate people are attempting to kill one
another--the aggravated assault rate. That rate in America has gone from
around 60 per 100,000 in 1957 to over 440 per 100,000 by the middle of
this decade. As bad as this is, it would be much worse were it not for
two major factors.

First is the increase in the imprisonment rate of violent offenders. The
prison population in America nearly quadrupled between 1975 and 1992.
According to criminologist John J. DiIulio, "dozens of credible
empirical analyses . . . leave no doubt that the increased use of
prisons averted millions of serious crimes." If it were not for our
tremendous imprisonment rate (the highest of any industrialized nation),
the aggravated assault rate and the murder rate would undoubtedly be
even higher.



Children don't
naturally kill; they
learn it from violence
in the home and
most pervasively,
from violence
as entertainment in
television, movies,
and interactive
video games.





The second factor keeping the murder rate from being any worse is
medical technology. According to the U.S. Army Medical Service Corps, a
wound that would have killed nine out of ten soldiers in World War II,
nine out of ten could have survived in Vietnam. Thus, by a very
conservative estimate, if we had 1940-le

[CTRL] Conspiracy TV News (Littleton school massacre)

[Kris Millegan]

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Om
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Conspiracy TV News (Littleton
school massacre)

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Subject: Conspiracy TV News (Littleton school massacre)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Modemac)
Date: Mon, Apr 26, 1999 8:08 AM
Message-id: <37248bf0.7191017@localhost>

Now that I'm up and running again, I can finally get something off my chest
that's been bugging me about the Colorado school shootings.

I work second shift hours, which means I only get to see the news during my
break in the evening.  Last week, I first learned of the school massacre when
I watched Fox News at 10 PM last Tuesday evening.  What I saw was one of the
most disgusting TV moments I'd experienced in years.

It wasn't the shooting of kids by kids that disgusted me - hell, things like
that happen every other week, these days.  What disgusted me was the way the
whole story was presented on the news.  IT WAS AS IF I WAS WATCHING MTV!

I guess the TV broadcast assumed that I'd already heard the story earlier that
evening, and so all they had to do was show "highlights" of the affair.  So
Fox News had gotten their editing crew together and put a snazzy, snappy
three-minute montage of the story, complete with a MUSICAL SOUNDTRACK!  That's
right, folks -- real life just isn't DRAMATIC enough to show on prime-time
evening news anymore!  No, they have to present it to us as if we were
watching just another TV show, and they pulled out all the stops and used all
the tricks at their command.  Snap editing.  Freeze-frames.  A voice-over of
President Clinton expressing his sorrow while we watch students running in
fear from the school.  And that goddamn ambient musical score, complete with a
few guitar chords at the end, reminiscent of Eric Clapton.  And then, of
course, the commercial break.

I just couldn't believe what I was watching.  Fox News had taken a tragic,
sorrowful disaster and turned it into a TV MOVIE!  Fifteen people were dead,
and they were making sure it got GREAT RATINGS!  I had to get up and leave the
room -- something I hadn't done since the time I watched an episode of "Rescue
911" and saw something *almost* as distasteful.  (I'll talk about that one
later.)

All I could think about was a quote from the first (and best) "Robocop" movie:
"This is Media Break - you give us three minutes and we'll give you the
world!"  I love the first Robocop movie because it's a terrific satire...but
yet again, satire pales in the face of REAL LIFE.

Of course, we'e been watching this style of TV for years.  The Gulf War was
designed especially for it.  We're so numbed by it that we don't even realize
how much of a hold it has on us.  But every so often, a moment like this
breaks through and wakes me up to the fact that there really IS a Conspiracy,
and the Conspiracy really DOES control the world.

It's a Conspiracy of MORONS -- and they're the ones in charge.

Now excuse me, I'm going to watch "America's Goriest Police Shootouts 6."

--
First Online Church of "Bob"
   http://www.modemac.com
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[CTRL] "ETHNIC CLEANSING IN THE U.S." VIA MIND CONTROL

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VIA MIND CONTROL

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Subject: "ETHNIC CLEANSING IN THE U.S." VIA MIND CONTROL
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (CAPaliwoda)
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REPOSTED FROM ALT.PRIVACY: "ETHNIC CLEANSING IN THE U.S." (VIA MIND CONTROL)
April 4, 1999

Mind-control is a growing problem in the US and can only be stopped if
the general public is made aware of it.  The controlled media in the US
will not report on such atrocities since they are part of an ongoing,
"non-lethal" ethnic cleansing policy of the US government against
heterosexual white US citizens.  (their genes were right but had the
misfortune to be deemed politically incorrect)  That such outrages can
be occurring without the public being aware of it is also due to the
dumbing-down which has occurred in our educational system as a result of
affirmative action programs.  Such "under represented minority" promoting
programs must be fought, since the net effect of such progams is not
to promote the targetted minorities, but to lower the intellectual,
moral, and ethical standards of the institutions (Universities,
professions, etc.) involved.  Though a case can and should be made for
a female-quota (like in Germany and other European countries) since
such systems achieve their goals without lowering the intellectual
level of affected programs.  Thus it is incumbent on netizens to take
the initiative on their own and become informed.  To find out first
hand from victims what that feels like, see:

http://www.netaccess.on.ca/~raven1/
http://members.aol.com/AYU5565448/index.htm
http://harvest-trust.org/mindcont.htm
http://www.netti.fi/~makako/mind/index.html

The following article is based on a book appearing currently in German,
which deals with the mind-control threat.
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Remote-Controlled


A new threat will supercede the atomic age! Dr. Helmut and Marion Lammer, the
best-known conspiracy/UFO experts of the country, whose next book Schwarze
Forschungen ("Black-Budget Research") will soon appear, deliver in the
Evolver a foretaste of their work indeed and report on weapons of
biological-process control.

Scientists have sought for more than 30 years to connect the human brain with
computers and other hardware. In the air- and space-travel magazine "Aviation
Week
and Space Technology" of August 15, 1994 a retired Colonel of the US Army
confirmed that for decades the American military has carried out extensive
experiments relating to the control of long-range steering mechanisms of
rockets and
airplanes via brain-wave manipulation.

These attempts date to back in the sixties, when secret experiments to
control the
conscious under the name MKULTRA were carried out. The first doctor who
researched the direct stimulation of the brain was the swiss physiologist Dr.
Walter
Rudolf Hess. Hess was between 1917 and 1951 the Director of the Physiology
Institute of Zurick. His experiments included the introduction of fine
electrical
conducting wires in the brains of anesthetized cats. As he electronically
stimulated
particular regions of the brain they became small maniacs. Fundamental work
towards the control of brain functions with radiowaves were published in 1934
by Dr.
E.L. Chaffee and Dr. R. U. Light in a paper with the title: "A Method for the
Remote
Control of Electrical Stimulation of the Nervous System." The out of the
spanish
faschist regime originating medical doctor Jose Delgado and other scientists
developed these methods further in order to be able finally to apply them to
humans.
Dr. Delgado went to the USA and became the director for neuropschiatry at Yale
University. Along with his researches in the area of epilepsy he worked
however also
for the Office of Naval Intelligence, the american secret agency CIA, and
other
institutions, during which he transferred the research of Dr. Hess, Dr.
Chaffee, and
Dr. Light upon human guinea pigs and developed the vision of remote-controlled
soldiers and eventually of an implanted mankind. In his beginning experiments
in the
fifties the heads of his experimental animals were equipped with metal clamps
and
long fine needles introduced in the brain regions in order to stimulate them.
In later
experiments the needles were replaced by small electrodes which were
activated by
radiowaves. The electrodes sent the radiowaves to a computer, where they were
analyzed. The basis for the "wireless patient" was made with this research.
With his
implant, which Dr. Delgado named "stimoceiver", he could without being noticed
produce aggressions and other moods in animals. For the secretive
military/secret
agency complex his research results were naturally of great interest.
Generals had the
remote-controlled soldier in mind. A soldier, who develops aggression feels
no pain
and without questions carries out dangerous 

[CTRL] HOTEL KALIFORNIA REVISITED

[Kris Millegan]

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from alt.conspiracy
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http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma/lword.htm">The Latest Word 
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HOTEL KALIFORNIA REVISITED


by Wayne Henderson


"Every person, and every class and description of persons, who were at
the time of the
adoption of the Constitution recognized as citizens in the several
States, became also
citizens of this new political body; but none other..."
-Dred Scott v. Sanford 19 How. 393 @405-06 (U.S. 1857)
"We think it as competent and necessary for a state to provide
precautionary measures
against the moral pest of paupers, vagabonds, and possibly convicts, as
it is to guard
against the physical pestilence which may arise from unsound and
infectious articles
imported."
 --N.Y. v.  Miln 11 Pet. 102 @142 (U.S. 1837)
"The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse
among the
people of the different States in this Union, the free inhabitants of
each of these States,
paupers, vagabonds, and fugitives from justice excepted, shall be
entitled to all privileges
and immunities of free citizens in the several states."
--Articles of Confederation, Article IV (1778) [the Articles are
subsumed by the
Constitution, and Constitutional questions are resolved by reference to
the Articles]
It has been nearly a decade since I penned the original Hotel
Kalifornia; the article has seen
three revisions and five reprintings, two of them overseas, and at least
one of the revelations
therein - of guard-instigated gladiatorial contests among prisoners -
has been verified by the
mainstream media, albeit eight years after I first broke the story (& do
I get creditted? No way)
...in the interim, much has happened, most of it bad, and as this
extended visit of mine to the
depths of hell nears the seventeen year mark, I felt it was time for a
bit of an update.
I need hardly pontificate at any length about the psychological
underpinnings of  the police
state; Gestapo control of our lives depends upon Gestapo control of our
minds - who controls
the terms of the argument controls the argument itself, and the Gestapo
controls the mental viral
agents ('memes') that act as substitute for actual thought: prisoners
always (falsely) claim to be
innocent, the accused must have done something or he/she wouldn't have
been arrested, there's
only a few bad cops who tarnish the rest unfairly, it's rare that the
innocent are convicted,let alone
executed), and ours is the best of all possible systems of criminal
justice ... these assumptions are,
I assure you, all lies, pathetic emotional shields for a population of
frightened sheep who desperately
cling to illusions of "freedom".  I began this update with three quotes
from the 'law of the land',
something quite alien even to the better-educated among us: unless
ancestors were wealthy
landholders/slaveowners in the Colonies, you - yes, YOU - are one of
those damned "paupers and
vagabonds". You have no rights. You are not free.
"Hitler was merely the expression of the tragic-contradiction between
the longing for freedom and
actual fear of freedom."
- Wilhelm Reich
"Our logic is at fault if we ignore the fact that right is founded on
brute force, and even today needs
violence to maintain it."
- Sigmund Freud
The recent release of four more prisoners from Illinois' death row has
received but scant mention in the
mainstream media; they had been locked up about as long as I have, and,
as in my own case they were
convicted on the strength of lies and subterfuge by the prosecutors - a
state of affairs more common
than you could imagine in your worst nightmares. As with them, mine is
an uphill battle: after seventeen
years' incarceration, I am only now in the venue of the Federal courts,
where it is theoretically possible
that I might finally receive some small measure of 'justice'.  It is
frightening, indeed, to reflect that - if we
assume a modest, conservative estimate of 5% wrongful conviction a
number far too low, I assure you -
I am but one of roughly 8,000 innocent people incarcerated in Kalifornia
alone.
Kalifornia has recently instituted a "Mentally Disordered Sexual
Predator" law, which purports to give
the state the power to detain pathological rapists and child molesters
beyond their release date, "for the
good of the community". Hardly a law with which a reasonable person
would disagree, right? Except  that,
buried deep in the legalese of the text, there is a provision allowing
the state to apply this power to any
prisoner, even those who have never even been charged with a sex
offense.  Am I being paranoid?  I know,
personally, of one case in which this law has been so used; just six
weeks ago, a friend - on the day he was
to be paroled and return to his family, was taken to the front gate and
gaffled up into a state van, transported
to a state 'hospital' for detention and observation/"treatment", which
detainment, being a 'civil commitment',
is of indefinite duration with no right to have an attorney or 

[CTRL] Is there proof of missile? *NEW*TWA800*NEW*

[Peter L. Sroufe]

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Investigator releases new evidence




This is the first of a three-part series on the downing of TWA Flight 800.





By David M. Bresnahan
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

A former naval officer says the Clinton administration has evidence to prove
TWA Flight 800 was downed by a missile and is doing all it can to cover it
up.

More than 100 eyewitnesses interviewed by the FBI all describe seeing a
missile, says retired Navy Cmdr. William S. Donaldson III, a former military
crash investigator, trained flight controller and expert investigator.
Portions of the missile have been recovered, but have been secreted away, he
says. An operations manual for the search for missile parts was issued by
the FBI, and an official government report was unable to rule out a missile
and called for further investigation -- something that has not been done,
according to Donaldson and other confirming sources.

For the past two years Donaldson has headed up a private investigation of
the controversial crash. He is now convinced a missile brought down TWA
Flight 800 causing the death of 230 people on July 17, 1996.

Donaldson claims the federal government has done everything in its power to
cover up what really happened to Flight 800. The cover-up, he charges, has
included prosecution of a journalist who was investigating flight debris
evidence and was convicted on federal charges, as well as manipulating the
official investigation to obtain the desired results rather than seek the
truth.

During his two years of private investigation, Cmdr. Donaldson and a group
of retired aviation specialists have interviewed over 100 witnesses who saw
what they claim was a missile rise from the water and hit TWA Flight 800.
Those witnesses were also interviewed by the FBI.

The witnesses were located in a full circle around the crash site on four
aircraft, 19 boats, and 31 locations on shore. Many of the witnesses have
expertise which would enable them to distinguish a missile from a burning
aircraft.

The reports by these witnesses has been discredited by the government by
claiming they did not understand that what they saw was the burning
aircraft, not a missile, and by stating that after being confronted with the
facts they no longer believe they saw a missile.

"Their live testimony alone will prove the aircraft was shot down,"
Donaldson told WorldNetDaily in an exclusive interview. "This is why the
Justice Department has kept air crash investigators away from witnesses for
two and a half years."

Donaldson believes he has obtained enough evidence to present to a grand
jury and bring about indictments for "a cover-up of the felony murder of 230
innocent people."

The FBI confirmed that it used as many as 1,000 agents in the process of
interviewing witnesses. The methods of interviewing and detailing what those
witnesses told them were lacking, according to Donaldson.

The FBI investigators should have made recordings or even videotapes of the
interviews with the witnesses. They also failed to ask technical questions
which would have enabled them to perform a triangulation and identify where
the missiles was launched. Donaldson complained that the FBI simply wrote a
few notes about each interview.

"That means the agent goes back to his office, depending how aviation wise
he is, and scribbles down a 302 form, which is a summary of the interview.
He keeps the notes and puts it in a folder with the 302 form. The 302 form
then becomes the judgment, which has been filtered by a non-aviation smart
investigator," Donaldson explained.

The FBI did not use any special equipment to take bearing lines from each
witness location. They also did not ask questions related to speed of what
witnesses saw going up and hitting the airplane. Witnesses were also not
asked how many seconds it took from the apparent launch to the time of
contact with the airplane.

He said he blames the lack of proper questions by the FBI on "lack of skill
as an investigator." He said he did not believe the agents were purposely
trying to cover anything up. In fact, he said some of the agents were
genuinely excited about what they were being told. That enthusiasm soon
died. They were told to investigate only the evidence which supported the
government claim of a center wing tank explosion, not a missile, according
to FBI agents who cooperated with Donaldson's investigation.

The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration research ship Rude
(pronounced "Rudy") was able to reach the crash site of TWA Flight 800 the
morning after the crash. The very high-tech vessel is equipped with side
sonar.

"Finally when Capt. Debeau got the last transponder position the aircraft
had actually transmitted from, and got the course and the speed, he plugged
into his computers and got a ballistic solution to where

Re: [CTRL] Dusk

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

 -Caveat Lector-

From: Sno0wl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Gee, "The Basketball Diaries" is a pretty old bookbeen around for
>quite a long time.  Seems to me it was written quite a few years ago.
>But then, I guess highschool students couldn't read.

The book may be 'old', but the movie's only a few years old...

Coincidentally (?), this movie's producers are some of the defendants
in the case the victims of the Paducah, KY shooting have brought
about, claiming that they 'caused' the shooter to do what he did...
just the Friday before the Littleton shootings, they were on a local
NYC radio talkshow, explaining why they named who they did in the
case, seems that in the BOOK of "The Basketball Diaries", there's no
dream sequence where the kid goes into school and kills his classmates
and teacher, that was something the movie producers for some reason
decided to add...


June

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AOL User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I am new to the list.  I feel that the list is not credible mostly because of
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You know you just can't please folks no matter what you do. On the one hand, many 
skeptics don't believe because they say, "where is all the evidence?" Well now we have 
a non-believer because of too much eveidence?
WHy that really boggles the mind, and further serves to illustrate that skeptics and 
non-believers clearly are the most illogical in this whole debate. It's a sad, sad day 
in conspiracy-dom.



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Re: [CTRL] CTRL Conspiracy

[Kris Millegan]

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Well, howdy ya'll, ya know, I have thought long and hard about this. I  have
a life also and yes it takes time to keep up with info. Myself I am a member
of myriad different lists, plus I have to put up with, sometimes, over a
hundred error messages about full mailboxes, invalid address, etc. Plus I am
follow my own researches.

CTRL, to me, is mostly an informational exchange and archival resource.  Yes,
were learn by discussing matters and I enjoy enlightening discussions and
learn much by them.

"May you live in interesting times."

Well, we live in very interesting and changing times. We must learn how to
discern and digest information in this age. We are pioneers and must learn by
doing.

I have thought and mentioned on the list about my thoughts to split-up the
list,  create a small roundtable group, topical sub-list, etc.  And while
each of those types of arrangements have benefits, there are also drawbacks.

Conspiracy Theory is a very wide discipline, that encompasses many areas of
study.  I am studying many areas and I share my study.

Also there is the factor of looking at the news, media, culture and 'actions'
, to help one discern the psychological sets being sent to us, hoi polloi,
either through controlled means, cultural evolvements & changes or . . .

So I look at CTRL as being a place where one can gather info sent in by
editors and members. The archives are a resource that can be used by
researchers following leads, looking for resources, etc.

All of us together are much stronger than separate. There are plenty of
options. One may put oneself on nomail and then view through archives.

There is a lot of info out there. I do try and be discerning in my posts and
hopefully some will find them interesting.  And I hope that the posts will
help us move towards the future we know we can be for our kids and
Constitution.

"Don't tread on me"

I must go.

This is a high volume list, use what ya can, and the rest will be in the
archives when ya can.

Om
K







In a message dated 4/26/99 11:11:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>This list is a really fine group of conspiracy folk.  Can't even find the
>one right under their own noses.  There was once a time when you could only
>post 4 times a day.  There were many more "factual" posts and less
>discussion.  Many of the older members are no longer here or post much less
>frequently.  Threads of pure drivel go on forever.  There was discussion of
>splitting the list into one for "serious researchers" by invitation only and
>then there are the rest of us.  Nitwits.

In a message dated 4/26/99 11:47:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I'm a newcomer to this list, so I shouldn't really be saying
>anything...but...I guess I will give my opinion.  I appreciate the great
>info. but it does get a bit overwhelming with too many posts.  I would like
>to get maybe 1/2 of the mail I do on this listserver.
>
>I find myself deleting most of it.  I just don't have the time to read so
>much, and unfortunately because there is no limit on the posts, I just can't
>read it all in one or two days and therefore probably miss some good info.
>due to the huge amount of mail I must delete!  Alot of us are on other
>listservers besides this one, and would like to have time for that too.
>
>Maybe some of the posters would consider this and keep their posts to less
>than 4 a day?  It would at least give more of us an opportunity to have the
>time to read it all.  I have a life outside this computer...or at least
>trying to!  LOL
>
>What do you all think?
>Susan

=

In a message dated 4/26/99 3:44:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>To the person who wanted to curtail the number of individual posts: I don't
see
>the
>difference in having more posts than you can read and not having them in the
first
>place. At least in the first case, you have the potential of reading them
sometime.
>Also, it helps people who are trying to collect data on a specific topic for
a
>larger
>research project. CTRL serves that function in addition to being one of the
best
>places to conspiracy net chat.
=
In a message dated 4/26/99 5:24:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I am new to the list.  I feel that the list is not credible mostly because of
> the volume.
=
In a message dated 4/27/99 12:35:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I fully agree.  There must be some limit.  Or else the group should divide
>into subconspiracy groups.
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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
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All My Relations.
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Re: [CTRL] HOTEL KALIFORNIA REVISITED

[Kris Millegan]

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from;
http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma/lword.htm

not alt.conspiracy.

sorry

Om
K

In a message dated 4/27/99 6:58:14 AM, you wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
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>from alt.conspiracy
>-
>As always, Caveat Lector.
>Om
>K
>-
>The Latest Word

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1

[ric carter]

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SkeptiNews 990427a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# DNA Databases Go Too Far. WASHINGTON -- If Representative Ron Paul has his
way, US federal agencies will not be able to assemble biometric profiles of
Americans. The Texas Republican wants to prohibit massive gov't databases of
DNA samples, photographs, and retinal scans. But businesses can do whatever
they want - see http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/19338.html

: Who should stockpile your biometric data: govt's, megacorps, Reptilioids,
deities, relatives, neighbors, Borgs, angels? Do you have any say in this?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Startling new evidence about crop circles! Retired electronics engineer
Gerald Vano shows how he decoded the symbolized message encripted in the
Barbury Castle crop circle. Watching the presentation gives you the sense of
witnessing undeniable truth that leaves you with the uneasing thought of
where do I stand in it all? If what Jerry shows is true we are in for some
trying times ahead. See for yourself: www.glv.org/cropcircles

: If you were an advanced alien trying to communicate with a primitive race,
you'd encode your messages in vegetative patterns, wouldn't you? How else?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# SWINGERS: THE SAME OR DIFFERENT? Washington, DC was on red alert, awaiting
Larry Flynt's promised publication of a special edition of Hustler about the
sexual lives of the President's adversaries. Meanwhile, a new review of the
medical literature on swingers was published in the Archives of Sexual
Behavior - and the results are surprising. They're like everybody else,
only richer, older, better educated and more conservative.  Swing over to:
http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=8541

# POLITICAL CONSERVATIVES AND KINKY SEX: People who identified themselves as
"ultraconservatives" are three times more accepting of sadomasochism in sex
than either "ultraliberals" or "independents." Pederasty and pedophilia too:
http://www.healthcentral.com/DrDean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=7806

: Does your belief system influence your sexuality? Do political/religious
considerations determine who and how you fuck? Do voices in your head help?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

> SINEAD O'CONNOR ORDAINED AS PRIEST. She once ripped up a picture of Pope
John Paul II on live TV. Now, Irish musician Sinead O'Connor has found a new
way to piss off the Vatican: She's been ordained as the first woman priest
in the Latin Tridentine Church, a Roman Catholic splinter group. O'Connor
says a donation of 150,000 pounds (US$200,000) to Bishop Michael Cox, the
bishop who ordained her, had nothing to do with it. But Pat Buckley, another
Tridentine bishop, says O'Connor's donation to Cox raises the possibility of
simony -- the sin of buying ordination. O'Connor to change name for priestly
career - see: http://cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/News/9904/26/showbuzz/index.html#story1

: Why didn't she go to the Universal Life Church? It's much cheaper. Would
you like me to ordain you, or name you bishop, pope, goddess or ayatollah?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ TodaysUFOs. In reviewing this site CONCENTRATE ON THE CLOUDS ONLY, WE
HAVE FOUND THREE SENSORS IN CLOUDS and feel that is more important than
l00 mobile UFOs. We are starting to SCAN "0" DISSIPATION LOW LEVEL CLOUDS,
as we have found some with no mouisture, and seem to be made of SOFT COTTON
OR FINE SYNTHETIC.  Our site shows clouds almost touching the ground, and
moving in impossible ways, (SUNSET series). This is the NEW UFO CAMOUFLAGE,
and when ZOOMED we have part of the TRUTH, on www.todaysufos.com New sensors
have been FOUND IN CLOUDS. PLEASE JOIN US IN ZOOMING LOW LEVEL CLOUDS WITH
CLEAR EDGES.  THIS MAY BE OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE. www.todaysufos.com

: Have you ever found UFO sensors in clouds? Are they tasty? How did they
get there? Did the NSA design the camouflage?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Short Takes:

# EARLY TO BED? IRRELEVANT, SAYS NEW STUDY. "Early to bed and early to rise
makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise," said Benjamin Franklin. A new study
released from a British medical journal disproves this theory. Researchers
found no difference between the early birds and those who are late-to-bed,
late-to-rise. On the other hand, the number of hours spent sleeping in bed
is significant. www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=8536

> AIDS VIRUS CAN LURK FOR 60 YEARS, STUDY FINDS. HIV can hide in the human
body for up to 60 years, even when patients take strong drug "cocktails"
that reduce the virus to nearly undetectable levels. This is are bad news
for doctors who had hoped the drugs could flush out the virus in no more
than five years. HIV can evade even the most powerful anti-viral drugs
available and remain hidden in reservoirs in the immune system. Latent
pools of virus: htt

[CTRL] IS PROMINENT THINK TANK A BASTION OF RACIST THEORY?

[Robert Tatman]

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Monday, April 26, 1999

IS PROMINENT THINK TANK A BASTION OF RACIST THEORY?

One of the most influential think tanks in the United States also
houses several of the nation's most controversial pundits on race
issues. In a new analysis, researcher Deborah Toler scrutinizes what
she calls the "race desk" at the American Enterprise Institute.

Toler, a policy analyst with the Institute for Public Accuracy,
contends that mainstream AEI conservatives and racist hate groups such
as the Council of Conservative Citizens share a preoccupation with
managing the emerging majority of people of color in the United
States. According to AEI fellows, African Americans in particular
constitute a major threat to Western civilization.

In "The End of Racism," AEI's John M. Olin fellow Dinesh D'Souza
blames African Americans' so-called "culture of poverty" for their
"failure" to achieve what whites and Asians in the U.S. have achieved.
D'Souza advocates as an appropriate policy response the repeal of the
1964 Civil Rights Act. Black conservatives Glenn Loury and Robert
Woodson found "The End of Racism" so offensive that they severed all
ties with AEI in protest.

Charles Murray's proposed study of genetic explanations for poverty
was too hot to handle for the conservative Manhattan Institute -- but
not for AEI, where he is a Bradley Fellow and where he completed the
controversial book "The Bell Curve." In his book "Slouching Towards
Gomorrah," Robert Bork -- AEI's John M. Olin Fellow in Legal Studies
-- locates much of the blame for the "decline of bourgeois culture" in
African American culture. AEI fellow Ben Wattenberg shares Bork's
perspective and has written that the global demographic dominance of
non-European populations threatens the ability of
the West to continue its role as "the driving force of modernization."

Despite considerable criticism of the overtly anti-African-American
views of its most visible racial policy analysts, AEI continues to
rake in huge sums of money from conservative foundations, corporations
and individual contributors. The Olin, William H. Donner and JM
foundations fund Wattenberg's PBS television show, "Think Tank." AEI
had $18.6 million in revenues in 1997 and expenses of only $14.3
million, allowing it to invest the surplus in building its endowment
and pre-funding future research.
_

Toler's "The Right's 'Race Desk'" is a Think Tank Monitor inquiry.
Think Tank Monitor is a joint project of IPA and the media watch group
FAIR. The article is available in the most recent issue of Extra!, at
www.accuracy.org/articles.htm or from the Institute for Public
Accuracy. Interviews with Toler can be arranged by calling Sam
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[CTRL] Wed. War Powers Act Vote???--Hearing today

[David Crockett Williams]

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From: Carol Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: List from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Weds War Powers Act Vote???--Hearing today
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 6:47 AM

From: Carol Moore, member, D.C. Stop the War Now
=
TODAY, Tuesday 4-27
the House Intnl. Relations Committee is marking up
War Powers legislation 2pm 2172 Rayburn Building
(I'll be there.)
TOMORROW Weds. 4-28 as we see below the vote could
come as early as tomorrow.
Time to take action!!!
Call, fax, email your senators and congressperson. 202-224-3121
Also, there is a new webpage that will email them for you easily.
http://www.stopthewarnow.com  (If it is having initial technical
problems, try back again soon.)

Senate Foreign Relations Committee
Senator Jesse Helms, (NC) Chairman
Phone: (202) 224-4651
Fax: (202) 224-0836
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

House Committee on International Relations
Congressman Benjamin A. Gilman, (NY) Chairman
Phone: (202) 225-5021
Fax:(202) 225-2035
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Also call President Clinton at White House Comment line
202-456- and say you are  against bombing and ground
troops.  (Go straight to Operator since as of yesterday it was
not a question on the menu.)  Or email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And don't forget Madeline Albright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--
Fran Teplitz of Peace Action <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> PRIORITY ONE ALERT:
>
> This alert is not based in the 1999 program plan, but since it
addresses
> legislation on whether or not the United States will declare war, it
rises
> to the top of our priorities.
>
> KOSOVO LEGISLATIVE ALERT:  VOTE EXPECTED AS SOON AS WEDNESDAY
>
> A vote is expected in the House of Representatives this week or next -

> possibly as soon as Wednesday, April 28, 1999 - on whether or not to
> continue the U.S. military attacks on Yugoslavia. Rep. Tom Campbell
(R-CA)
> has introduced two bills, one calling for withdrawal from the attacks
and
> the other requiring an official declaration of war in keeping with the

War
> Powers Act. Rep. Campbell aims to have the two bills debated and voted

on
> together, but this is not guaranteed.
>
> H. Con. Res. 82 calls on the President "to remove United States Armed
> Forces from their positions in connection with the present operations
> against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia."
>
> H. J. Res. 44 declares "a state of war between the United States and
the
> Government of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia."
>
> Campbell supports the withdrawal position, although he has introduced
both
> resolutions to ensure Congress acts either to approve or disapprove
the
> military action now underway. In addition to the consequences for the
> people of Yugoslavia, these votes are important procedurally because
they
> uphold a system of checks and balances on the use of force, a system
that
> has been evaded by recent presidential decisions to bomb other
nations.
>
> There may be other resolutions introduced as well, for example,
legislation
> linking U.S. military withdrawal to negotiations to end the war. It is

also
> possible that Congress could table the legislation, and thereby avoid
> taking a clear stand.
>
> ACTION:
>
> Call your Representative TODAY and urge him/her to:
>
> 1)  vote in favor of H. Con. Res 82 to remove U.S. forces from the

NATO
> attacks on Yugoslavia.
> 2)   vote against H. J. Res. 44 to declare war on Yugoslavia
>
> Capitol Switchboard: 202-224-3121
>
> Thanks to the Friends Committee on National Legislation for their
> information on this legislation.

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] CTRL Conspiracy]

[Robert Tatman]

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Teo One Thousand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is a valid way to look at this issue.  I like to hear everything, then
> decide what has merit and what doesn't.  We are about the free exchange of
> ideas.  Consider mind control for instance.  There is little FACT that one
> can bring to the table but there is much circumstantial evidence and
> speculation/interpolation that CAN be brought.  Mind control is a valid
> discussion for this forum because of its conspiratorial nature, even though
> it has its shortcomings in the fact department.  There is also the DIGEST
> version of CTRL sent as one or two e-mails a day that you can sort through
at
> your leisure.  That is another option.
> Teo1000
>
I don't read everything that's posted. If I'm away from the Net for a few days
and the posts back up, I go through and selectively delete threads I know I'm
not really going to be interested in. On a normal day, I tend to skim the
posts, check out the first few lines, and decide if a given message is going
to be worth reading. Stuff that's too wacko (unless it's *really* wacko, in
which case I probably will read it) or too racist or too partisan I generally
skip. If I'm involved in a particular thread, obviously I'll read all of that.
Re-posts of old material I usually don't read--it's already in my archive if I
wanted to keep it. Above all, just remember that you are under no obligation
to read everything. Did you sign a contract in blood that stipulated "I hereby
pledge, on pain of xxx, to faithfully read and absorb all materials posted
to The List"? I seriously doubt it...unless Kris is into Something He's Not
Telling The Rest Of Us About... :^D

Bob

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Re: [CTRL] CTRL Conspiracy

[Ric Carter]

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- Original Message -
From: Teo One Thousand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>  I find myself deleting most of it.

I scan and delete virtually everything, but there are a few gems
every here and there, and the wide range of conspiracies/theories
means that almost anyone can find at least *some* juicy morsels.
I'd rather not see CTRL fragment into sublists, specialities,
affinity groups - the more hypotheses, the merrier.  Or is there
a conspiracy to destroy this list, to break down the synergy that
makes it such a special place?  And why hasn't anyone mentioned
HAARP's role in the Columbine shootings?

  Ric, warily...

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[CTRL] Fwd: Germanic Myths, Legends, and Sagas

[Colleen Jones]

Ran across this on the web, and is a treasure on information on the Ring
and the LegendTannhauser.

But Nurmberg.here we have the NATO Nations being esorted and the
heralds paying trumpets  - the music of Wagner - entittled "Welcome to
Wartburg".so, that is what it is all about.

The Spear of Destiny - was the spear that pierced the side of Christ;
this spear is now piercing the side of Yugoslavia, and her blood flows
in the streets.

General George Patton knew what Hitler saw when he held the Spear of
Destiny;  and he felt the power and dipped into the future into a new
world.

Clinton will take us back to the Dark Ages where once again, Goliath
will probably be slain by a David with a big rock

The interesting information re Wagner; but the Ring sat in our White
House eating dinner, while the Balkans burned like the Reichstag

Oh that is right, they burned down the Reichstag; but they just recently
dedicated a new one.

Do you think Wagner will ever replace Home Sweet Home or Home on the
Range; I doubt it..I wonder what the Ring at that night for dinner - and
do you realize how many people went to bed hungry that night,even
after eating the crumbs from their table.

Colleen




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Re: [CTRL] It's about children, not brownie points.

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

 -Caveat Lector-

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mentally masturbated thusly:
>Those of you who have *carefully* read my contributions to this list,

I've been on this list almost from it's inception, and can't seem to
place YOU amongst the longtime contributors of good information here...


>Housewife June has asked

The fact that you state that I'm a 'housewife', and that you use it in a
lame attempt to insult (and obviously are more interested in starting a
flamefest than in any serious investigation/discussion), amply displays
two things:

   a)  your total lack of investigative skills, and

   b)  a blatant misogyny

I have nothing against housewives, but point of fact is, I'm not one;
secondly, why COULDN'T a 'housewife' be capable of conducting research
into this area, any housewife could do as good -- or, as in your case,
as bad -- a job at it as any other amateur...

ANYONE can run a 'small local newspaper', that doesn't give them the
right to expect the police to divulge details of an ongoing
investigation to them...


>Here in Colorado, where we are one officer at a time becoming
>a police state, off-duty officers rotate in shifts, or work opposite
>of their regular police shift, in schools; video rental stores; high
>traffic entertainment centers; etc.

Colorado is not unique in this regard; but you are talking about
off-duty policemen and women moonlighting at another job, and NOT
talking about private security guards, as I was...


>Revcoal truly does not know what she is talking about, and
>she is [unfortunately] spreading disinformation through her
>own lack of credible data.

Actually, I haven't been 'spreading' anything, only responding to what
YOU have been spreading...and spreading mightily thickly, I might add...

>In a message dated 99-04-26 07:48:43 EDT, revcoal says:
>talking approximately 20 calls coming in at once on a system that
>probably only has about 20 lines operational...>>
>
>You have a valid point!!!
>
>Let's see, 20 incoming calls, 20 lines operational.
>
>Is there supposed to be a problem here?

THere will be, for the 21st person trying to contact 911...

If you had say, 30 to 40 students and teachers attempting to call in,
plus a handful of neighbors living in the area, to a system that only
has 20 lines, then a goodly number of those people trying to reach 911
will either get a busy signal, or a recording asking them to stay on the
line until an operator is free...


>Do *YOU* know how many emergency calls were placed
>between 11:00 a.m.and 11:30 a.m on Tuesday the 20th?

Do you?  I'm only pointing out what SHOULD be obvious, to your
disinformation regarding some calls to 911 not being answered right
away...


>In a message dated 99-04-26 07:48:43 EDT, revcoal says:
>>
>
>This is irrelevant.  The point of contention, was that this teacher
>could not have been on hold, blocking her OWN call's inability to
>get through to 911; which, Revcoal's own contradictive statements
>foolishly concluded.

You make absolutely NO sense.  OBVIOUSLY the teacher got thru, that's
why they have the tape of her describing what's going on FROM THE
BEGINNING OF THE ATTACK; but because she, and the other's who got thru
in the first few minutes, were KEPT ON THE LINE, thereby TYING UP THE
LINE, that means calls trying to get thru later on would have had a
problem, as more and more of the limited number of lines were being kept
utilized...

To try to be more succint, since you obviously have a problem with
comprehension, this teacher got thru on the 911 within the first 4
minutes of the attack starting...we've been told that dozens of students
with cellphones, both inside and outside the school, made calls to 911
when the thing started...so you have a couple of dozen people getting
thru on the 911 lines in the first few minutes, and then being kept on
the lines until help arrives (normal 911 procedure), thereby tying up
those lines as people tried to call in say, 10 minutes after the thing
began...


>Considering that we have not been able to confirm ANY calls
>more than the couple that have been released via tape, I would
>sure like to see this assumption of Revcoal's documented.

Only what I read in the papers (perhaps yours) and on the Internet,
regarding at least 'dozens' of students with cellphones making calls to
911...and a presumption that perhaps a few people who lived in the
neighborhood of the school perhaps also made calls, when they saw
something was awry...


>The readers on this list should note that the great majority
>of my own statements do not begin with, "we can guess"
>or "presumably", "probably", as Revcoal's are forced to.

No, I HONESTLY couch my speculation AS speculation, unlike you who
attempt to pass your musings off as 'facts'...


>In a message dated 99-04-26 07:48:43 EDT, revcoal says:
><>
>
>Readers, this is just one of June's semantic arguments which
>were never the poi

[CTRL] Global Warming Poses Little Risk for Insurers...Oh, Really?

[Robert Tatman]

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Global Warming Poses Little Risk for Insurers


Reuters
25-APR-99

NEW YORK, April 25 (Reuters) - Global warming may melt the ice caps but it
will not sink the U.S. insurance industry.

Politicians and other activists have been trying to turn up the heat on
insurers, warning that the industry faces devastating losses if it does not
take more steps to reduce the global warming threat.

New York politicians in February held a hearing to discuss the threat to the
insurance industry and to force it to play a greater role in efforts to tackle
the problem.

A warmer global climate would melt the ice caps, raising sea levels, and would
disturb weather patterns, causing droughts, severe storms, tornadoes,
hurricanes and blizzards.

U.S. government scientists on Thursday said carbon dioxide emissions could
heat up the Earth by an average of 3 degrees Fahrenheit (2 degrees Celsius)
over the next century.

But fears about the threat to the U.S. insurance industry are overblown,
according to David Unnewehr, senior research manager for the American
Insurance Association, a trade group that represents more than 375
property-casualty insurers.

That is because only about 20 percent of the industry's nearly $300 billion in
annual business is affected by weather, Unnewehr said in a report released
last week.

"Climate change does not pose a severe threat to the U.S. property-casualty
insurance industry," Unnewehr said in a statement. "About one-fifth of the
industry's business is affected by weather and the industry is diverse and
resilient enough to cope with any change in loss experience," he said.

For insurers, the biggest weather threat comes from hurricanes, which have the
potential to cause tens of billions of dollars in losses.

But Unnewehr said scientific research showed little evidence that global
warming would increase the frequency and severity of hurricanes.

"Much of the research seems to indicate that global warming would not increase
the frequency of hurricanes and might even suppress hurricane development," he
said in the report.

In addition, Colorado State Professor William Gray, a noted hurricane
forecaster, believes there is little or no connection between global warming
and hurricane development.

"The real problem is the tremendous growth in population, homes, commercial
development in the most hurricane-prone regions of the United States,
especially Florida and other states along the Southeast and Gulf coasts," he
said.

Meanwhile, global warming could help to lessen the losses from winter storms
and freezing, he said.

Over the past 10 to 15 years, property-casualty insurers have paid more than
$8 billion in winter storm and freeze losses, he said. Those losses include
burst pipes, ice damming on roofs, collapsed roofs due to heavy snow and
downed power lines.

If global warming did result in increased storm losses from tornadoes,
hailstorms and other events, insurers would have the ability to adjust
premiums, he said.

These adjustments do not always take place quickly or easily, he said. But the
solvency of insurance companies is one of the responsibilities of state
regulation.

Insurers also have some flexibility in deciding where they want to do
business.

"The property-casualty insurance industry is very resilient and, where
necessary, adapts to changing loss experience," he said. "Furthermore, the
industry is a leader in advocating measures to minimise damage and injury that
can be caused by weather-related events."

((Patricia Vowinkel/Financial Services Desk 212-859-1716))


Copyright 1999 Reuters Limited.All rights reserved.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Osobowe_Regular

[Colleen Jones]

Well, I thought I would pass this on in case anyone ever needs some car
parts.

Actually, Web TV just put on a Spell Check, and no longer will I give
June a grey hair for misspelling common, ordinary words, like
chrysanthemum, antidisestablishmentarianism, grandiloquently.

That housewife is worse than my mother who was an English teacher.

Now, I see if my spell check works.

Also, this list it could be of some use to someone out there; my son has
a foreign car and sometimes difficult to get parts, etc (classic).,,,

Well I just ran my spell check; and there were over 9 spelling
errorsno wonder June was busting out all over.

Colleen




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[CTRL] Help repeal NEW 'Know Your Customer' attempts!

[Bill Richer]

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Subj:Help repeal NEW 'Know Your Customer' attempts!
Date:   4/20/99 9:33:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr Alan Cheney)

Dear Friends and Family,

I'm participating in an Internet campaign to repeal regulations from the
federal government that will force your bank to spy on you, and I'd like
to invite you to join me.

Please forward this message to any friends, family, co-workers,
neighbors, or other people you know who may be interested, then go
to   http://www.defendyourprivacy.com/">DEFEND YOUR
PRIVACY!
[ http://www.defendyourprivacy.com ]
and sign the petition. It will be submitted directly to your Representative
in the U.S. House. Plus, a copy will be sent to both your U.S. Senators.

In December 1998, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) proposed
a so-called "Know Your Customer" rule. If enacted, Know Your Customer would
have required banks to monitor your checking and savings account, and
report any "unusual transactions" to the federal government.  This
frightening threat to your financial privacy would have forced your bank
to:

  * Discover your source of funds

  * Determine your "normal and expected transactions"

  * Report any "suspicious activity" to federal investigators

However, in the face of overwhelming public opposition, generated in large
part by an Internet campaign like this one, the FDIC withdrew their
proposed Know Your Customer regulation. However, the battle isn't over yet.

It turns out that the Federal Reserve's "Bank Secrecy Act Compliance
Manual" pressures banks to develop policies similar to Know Your Customer,
policies that over 88% of banks have begun to implement. After the heat
dies down, the Federal Reserve Board plans to repackage Know Your Customer
as "policy guidelines" instead of "regulations".

The government claims it is trying to thwart money launderers and drug
dealers. But what this law does is turn every bank teller into a government
informer and everyone with a bank account into a criminal suspect.

In a free society, the government has no business asking where you get your
money or how you spend it -- and politicians have no right to force your
bank to monitor your account. Know Your Customer doesn't need to be
"repackaged" -- it needs to be repealed.

Congressman Ron Paul has introduced the Know Your Customer Sunset Act (HR
516) and the Bank Secrecy Sunset Act (HR 518) that together will repeal
existing Know Your Customer reporting requirements, and prevent any new KYC
rules from being implemented. Together, these two bills will guarantee that
our financial privacy will be respected.

Over 250,000 outraged Americans flooded the FDIC with e-mails, letters, and
faxes during Know Your Customer Round One -- and the FDIC backed down! Now
we need to make sure Congress finishes the job by passing HR 516 & HR 518.

Let's keep up the pressure!

Please forward this e-mail to everyone you know who might be interested in
helping. But please don't send it indiscriminately -- spam will only hurt
our campaign.

Then go to   http://www.defendyourprivacy.com/">DEFEND YOUR PRIVACY!

http://www.DefendYourPrivacy.com and sign the petition. Thank you.

Alan

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[CTRL] HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE

[Bill Richer]

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 HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE

   (Since many people are alone when they suffer a heart
   attack, this article seemed in order.)

   Without help the person whose heart stops beating properly
   and who begins to feel Faint, has only about 10 seconds left before
   losing consciousness.

  However, these victims can help themselves by coughing
repeatedly and very vigorously. A deep breath should be taken before each
   cough, and the cough must be deep and prolonged, as when producing sputum
   from deep inside the chest. A breath and a cough must be repeated about
every
   two seconds without let up until help arrives, or until the heart is felt
to
   be beating normally again.

  Deep breaths get oxygen into the lungs and
   coughing movements squeeze the heart and keep the blood circulating.
   The squeezing pressure on the heart also helps it regain normal rhythm.

  In this way, heart attack victims can get to a phone and, between breaths,
call for
   help. Tell as many other people as possible about this, it could save
their
   lives!

  --from Health Cares, Rochester General Hospital via Chapter 240's
newsletter
  AND THE BEAT GOES ON...
  (reprint from The Mended Hearts, Inc.
   publication, Heart Response)

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[CTRL] American Pastoral ... American Berserk

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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>From wsws.org

 WSWS : News & Analysis : North America : The Brutal Society

The Columbine High School massacre: American Pastoral ... American Berserk
By David North
27 April 1999

Columbine High School appeared to be, at least in the view of its
administrators and the county school board, such a lovely place for young
people to grow up and learn. In its official profile, the institution
boasted of its "excellent facilities" and "long history of excellence in all
areas." Nothing seemed to be lacking--Honors and Advanced Placement classes,
foreign language instruction in Spanish, French and German, and an artistic
program that included ceramics, sculpture, acting, choir and no less than
five bands and one ensemble. There were even "Cross-categorical programs for
students with significantly limited intellectual capacity." And, of course,
there was no shortage of athletics.

"Stretch for Excellence" was the motto adopted by the school. And its
mission statement--over which, one must assume, various well-meaning people
labored--promised that Columbine High School "will teach, learn, and model
life skills and attitudes that prepare us to: work effectively with people;
show courtesy to others; prepare for change; think critically; act
responsibly; and respect our surroundings."

Columbine, with its six guidance counselors, accountability committee,
dozens of peer mediators and techniques for "conflict resolution," and an
ethos of "collaborative partnership" with parents, viewed itself as a
"twenty-first century high school." The surrounding neighborhoods were
prosperous, with housing from the low to high six-figures, numerous shopping
malls and high-tech workplaces. But on April 20, 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan
Klebold walked into Columbine High School armed with assault rifles and pipe
bombs. By the time their bloody rampage was over, they had killed twelve
students, one teacher, and themselves.

There have been, during the past two years, other school shootings that have
resulted in the death of students. But as terrible as the earlier incidents
at Pearl, West Paducah, Jonesboro and Springfield, the carnage at Columbine
was of a qualitatively different scope and scale.

Harris and Klebold manufactured dozens of pipe bombs, stashed explosives in
the school kitchen, studied the layout and traffic pattern to insure the
largest number of victims, and chose Hitler's birthday as the date for the
attack, in the course of nearly a year of preparation. Their intention was
to kill as many students as possible and blow up the entire school with a
propane bomb. Had they had the opportunity, Harris and Klebold would have
continued their rampage beyond the school. According to the diary that one
of the youth left behind, they hoped to hijack an airplane and crash it into
the center of New York City. Only an unexpected encounter with a school
guard and the failure of the bomb to explode thwarted their plan. Harris and
Klebold then fled to the school library where they proceeded to select their
victims before killing themselves.

What Harris and Klebold did on Tuesday was horrible, brutal and criminal.
But these words are only descriptions of their acts, not explanations.

As usual, the media has nothing to offer by way of analysis. It is
extraordinarily adept at milking the grief of the parents and community for
every possible rating dollar. But those who wish to understand the
underlying causes of this tragedy will find nothing of value on the network
news.

After a few perfunctory tears for the victims, the media is looking for
someone to blame. The parents, judging from the remarks of state officials,
are being singled out as the most likely target for public vengeance.
Perhaps they do bear some level of responsibility, but singling out for
exemplary punishment these grief-stricken mothers and fathers--whose own
lives have been utterly shattered by what their sons did last week--seems
not only cruel, but deceitful and hypocritical.

After all, the parents of Klebold and Harris were not the only ones who
failed to recognize and act on signs of the coming disaster. Columbine High
School administrators apparently ignored repeated warnings they received
about the boys' potential for violence.

This is not an individual failing, but one common to all the major
institutions of American society: governments, political parties,
corporations, the media, schools, churches, and trade unions. All are
essentially oblivious to the mounting social tensions, until they erupt into
homicidal violence at a post office, a high school, a McDonald's restaurant,
a commuter railroad train, or inside the US Capitol.

Then these outbreaks are invariably treated, not as a social phenomenon, but
as a police problem, to be handled by installing metal detectors, more
police, more surveillance cameras, and enlisting the population as
collaborators to inform on those with a supposed propensity to violence.

There's endless talk about

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Poses Little Risk for Insurers...Oh, Really?

[Colleen Jones]

 -Caveat Lector-

there is information documented in 1963 prior to the classification of
the weather modification program and similar programs which show the USA
and Soviets hand in hand, worked towrds melt down of a portion of the
polar caps.

They now also tamper with the two streas, Nino and Nina.one hot, one
coldcan only be compared to an underwater jet stream..and may
explain the Bermuda Triangle crap they put out.

To get at some of the truths, start with a book THE WEATHER CHANGERS,
and some Year Books, etc., for 1963 shows you what the did to the ozone.

It takes an expert or nuclear engineer to understand this stuff; get the
works of a Colonel Beardon in Huntsville Alabama; he knows what went on,
is going on, but he hasn't been busted yet for telling the truth.

Coleen

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Re: [CTRL] It's about children, not brownie points.

[nessie]

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>why COULDN'T a 'housewife' be capable of conducting research
into this area, any housewife could do as good -- or, as in your case,
as bad -- a job at it as any other amateur...


Mae Brussell was a housewife. She was also the premier expert in this
field.

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[CTRL] Violence Threatened in Three Austin Area Schools

[Mack White]

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The Austin, Texas media is giving sensational coverage to the following
stories.  From the Channel 7 website:

WIMBERLEY TEENS IN CUSTODY AFTER ALLEGED PLOT

A state district judge has ordered four junior high students held without
bond following allegations that they were plotting an attack on their
school in Wimberley with homemade bombs. State District Judge Howard Warner
ruled Monday that the 14-year-olds, all eighth-graders at Wimberley's
Danforth Junior High School, should remain in custody until another hearing
in 10 days. Neither the parents nor their attorneys could answer reporters'
questions after the hearing because Warner issued a gag order on all
involved in the case. He also closed the proceedings to the media. On
Friday, officers picked the suspects up at school after students and
teachers reported overhearing the eighth graders discussing a suspected
plan to kill classmates and faculty members. They are being held on
juvenile charges of conspiracy to commit murder, conspiracy to commit arson
and conspiracy to manufacture explosives.  Police initially held a fifth
boy but released him. Authorities said a search of the boys' homes yielded
gunpowder, crude explosive devices and computer disks with bomb-building
information, some of it downloaded from the Internet. One of  the boys'
mothers has said the explosives police found were no more than "a
firecracker emptied into a pill container."  But after the deaths of 14
students and a teacher at a high school in Littleton, Colo., last week, few
seem interested in dismissing the case as kids' play.

THREATS SPREAD TO MORE TEXAS SCHOOLS
Two Round Rock High School students are suspected of posting a Web site
that encourages classmates to blow up the school. A student at Martin
Junior High in Austin is accused of threatening to shoot a teacher and some
other students, and in Elgin, a teacher says he heard two freshmen talking
about blowing up the school. School disciplinary action has  been taken in
all the cases, but no police charges have been filed. In Round Rock,
administrators suspended the boys from classes and the principal has
recommended they attend the district's alternative school for three days.

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[CTRL] Fritz Springmeier Interview

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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CKLN-FM Mind Control Series -- Part 21


Fritz Springmeier Interview

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CKLN fm 88.1
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Wayne Morris:
Good morning, welcome to the International Connection. This is show #35 in
the radio series on Mind Control and over the next few shows we are going
to be talking to Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler, co-authors of the
"Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Control
Slave" and "Deeper Insights", books about trauma based conditioning mind
control. Fritz is a researcher about the Illuminati and minister to mind
control victims. Cisco Wheeler says she is from a generational Illuminati
family and that trauma-based mind control was perpetrated against her from
birth. We will hear the interview with Cisco in a couple of weeks, and
today we are going to hear an interview with Fritz Springmeier. Fritz talks
about the Illuminati families and how they have used mind control to
consolidate their power throughout history. You are listening to CKLN 88.1
FM.
I am speaking with Fritz Springmeier author, lecturer and minister to mind
control survivors. Welcome to the show Fritz.
Fritz Springmeier:
Thank you and hello to all you listeners out there in radioland. I
encourage you to participate with our program today because we are going to
be speaking about some important things that affect your life and will
affect the lives of your grandchildren.
Wayne Morris:
I would like to start off with asking you how you first came across the
information about government mind control.
Fritz Springmeier:
Government mind control overlaps with many other things - it overlaps with
a higher government and a secret world government called the Illuminati. As
I investigated the Illuminati I had to also learn about their front that
they operate. They hide behind the veil of National Security. They use our
patriotism against us and make us think that for our own interest, for our
own security of our own nations, that we have to subject ourselves to all
the secrecy that they impose upon us.
Wayne Morris:
Did you come across all the information about mind control through your
research into the Illuminati, or vice versa?
Fritz Springmeier:
Yes, through the Illuminati. That's not to say that I hadn't been watching
the government too, but a lot of what we see out front is just that - it's
a front and if we really want to understand what's going on, we have to
look behind that front.
Wayne Morris:
Maybe you could explain to our listeners, to your understanding, who are
the Illuminati?
Fritz Springmeier:
The Illuminati are the movers and shakers of the world. They are an elite
group of bloodlines - I call these tribes or families - there are 13 major
bloodlines. They are what are called "generational satanists". That means
that they have practised their secret witchcraft for many centuries and
they have passed their religion down from one generation to the next. They
lead double lives. They have one life that the world sees and then they
have a hidden life that the world doesn't see. There have been very few
people that have been able to break through the secrecy. They have taken
secrecy to a fine art that I would never have believed that anyone could
achieve until I started getting into this, and there have been very few
people over the years that have broken through that secrecy at all. There
was a man named John Robison who wrote proofs of a conspiracy against all
the religions and governments in Europe carried on in the secret meetings
of the Freemasons, the Illuminati and reading societies. That came out in
1798 and the Bavarian government, by raiding several safe houses of the
Illuminati, captured original Illuminati documents back at that time period
which were bound and sent out to all the governments entitled: "Die
Originalschriften des Illuminatens Ordens" (sp?) as the German title the
Bavarian government gave it.
But in modern times there have been very few people that have been able to
talk about the Illuminati as it exists today, and that's been my job. To
bring to the world who these people are, what their traditions are, what
they are doing, everything about them. The reason I am giving a longer
version here to your question is that when someone asks who or what are the
Illuminati, they do not think like we do. People often times interpret
things around them in terms of how they themselves think or their own world
view. If you want to understand the Illuminati, you have to understand that
these people do not think like you or I.
In just one area alone, that is a large percentage of these people are
programmed multiple personalities and just that in itself creates a whole
different thinking pattern from those of us who are not multiple.
Wayne Morris:
When you say the Illuminati, is this the same group that is documented that
Adam Weishaupt had started back in 1776 in Bavaria? Is this the

[CTRL] Balkans: Business as (Un)Usual?

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

>From Sydney (Australia) Morning Herald

Wednesday, April 28, 1999

BALKANS: THE CONFLICT
US plays a double game on oil sales

By CHRISTOPHER LOCKWOOD in Washington and TIM KING in Luxembourg

The European Union banned oil sales to Yugoslavia on Monday, but in a
development that will be regarded as scandalous in European capitals the
United States confirmed it had no plans to follow suit.

This means that while it is now illegal for any EU country to export oil to
Slobodan Milosevic, it remains perfectly legal for American companies to
continue to fuel the Serb war machine.

In fact, they already have. On April 10, a full two weeks into the conflict,
the American firm Texaco shipped about 65,000 barrels of oil products into
Bar, the Montenegrin port that now serves as Yugoslavia's only supply route
for fuel.

Other routes, including a pipeline from Hungary or the land routes from
Croatia and Bulgaria, have effectively been cut off.

The disclosure that American firms have been selling oil to the dictator
while America pilots have been risking their lives to bomb oil refineries
and storage facilities is likely to undercut American efforts to moralise to
the rest of the world.

Texaco has now stated it will no longer sell oil to Yugoslavia. But hundreds
of other companies have yet to do the same.

A US State Department official confirmed there were no plans to introduce
the same sort of legislation that EU foreign ministers adopted on Monday in
Luxembourg, which renders it a crime to sell oil to Yugoslavia.

The embargo will be implemented on Friday.

NATO's communique on Kosovo, published at the weekend, stops short of
calling on all NATO members to adopt legal instruments to halt the flow of
oil.

What NATO is committed to do, however, is to interrupt the supply of oil,
wherever it comes from, by means of a "visit and search" regime that will
board and inspect ships heading for Bar.

Since international law says ships can only be halted in pursuit of a United
Nations sanctions resolution, it is extremely uncertain what will happen if
a Russian, or indeed an American, oil tanker declines to be searched.

Russia has refused to commit to compliance with an oil embargo so the
potential for conflict is high. If Russian merchant ships were challenged on
the high seas, it might decide to give them military escorts.

Further economic restrictions have been placed on Yugoslavia and it emerged
yesterday that the European Commission would halt a promised package of
economic assistance for Montenegro - lest it fell into "the wrong hands." -
The Telegraph, London

Oiling a black market
New York: NATO's planned oil embargo of Yugoslavia has already created a
black market in which Serb-backed buyers are paying up to a 50 per cent
premium for petrol and other refined products, according to European oil
traders.
The traders said on Monday that Lukoil, one of the biggest Russian
suppliers, has extended new lines of credit to Yugoslavia.

How much fuel the Russians will be able or willing to sell to Yugoslavia
remains unclear. But the embargo, which is expected to be enforced from this
week, means that deliveries by sea may stop. - The New York Times



Via CentralEuropeOnline (Reuters)

Macedonian Minister Quits Amid Kosovo Crisis

SKOPJE, Apr. 27, 1999 -- (Reuters) Macedonia's Economy Minister Zanko Cado
announced his resignation on Monday, sending shock waves through the
four-month-old coalition as it struggles to cope with thousands of refugees
from neighboring Kosovo.

"The functions of this ministry have been drastically reduced and I feel
completely inefficient. I feel blocked by lack of understanding from the
international community which pledged a lot and did nothing...and I also
have personal reasons," Cado said in a resignation letter to Prime Minister
Ljubco Georgievski, made available to Reuters.

"The new structure of the government, which envisages the formation of new
ministries, would cripple my ministry," he also said in his letter. A
reshuffle of the responsibilities of the various ministries has been
planned.

Three of the state's four economic ministries -- finance, development and
trade -- are held by the VRMO-DPMNE, the senior party in Macedonia's
three-way coalition and Finance Minister Boris Stojmenov and Trade Minister
Nikola Gruevski have taken some responsibilities that Cado's ministry would
have held. "I was left with all the problems, but all the means to solve
them were taken away from me," Cado, 35, told Reuters.

Slobodan Casule, a member of the executive office of Cado's Democratic
Alliance (DA) party, said the minister had felt frustrated at having some of
his suggestions for sharpening up Macedonia's lackluster economy rejected.
One proposal had been the privatization of OKTA, the main oil refinery in
the capital Skopje.

Cado's resignation was also triggered by the Kosovo crisis, Casule said.
Macedonia -- one of the Balkan region's poorest states with 35 per

[CTRL] NEW WORLD ORDER UPDATE

[Kevin]

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 John Whitley publisher the NEW WORLD ORDER INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
(http://www.inforamp.net/~jwhitley) was on Sightings radio show. You can
listen via realaudio archive.
http://www.broadcast.com/shows/endoftheline/99archives.stm
 He explains more on Kosovo and Russia.

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Re: [CTRL] CTRL Conspiracy

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

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From: Frank Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>This list is a really fine group of conspiracy folk.  Can't even find
>the one right under their own noses.  There was once a time when you
>could only post 4 times a day.

Hmmm...I've been on this list almost from the beginning, when postings
were unlimited.  Then the moderators instituted a '7 post a day'
limit...I can't seem to remember there ever being a 4-a-day limit...


>There were many more "factual" posts and less
>discussion.  Many of the older members are no longer here or post
>much less frequently.

As I said, I've been here almost from the beginning, and seems to me
most everyone who was fairly prolific (at least, in a good sense) is
still here, except for Goat, who only posts occasionally now...


>Threads of pure drivel go on forever.

Like this one?


>There was discussion of
>splitting the list into one for "serious researchers" by invitation
>only and then there are the rest of us.  Nitwits.

So you recognize yourself as a nitwit?

No one's forcing you to stay, if the list upsets you so much...just
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[CTRL] News on Michael New

[Bill Richer]

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Michael New Action Fund
P.O. Box 100Iredell, Texas 76649
vox: 254/796-2173 fax:  254/796-2682
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PRESS RELEASE – FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT:  DANIEL NEW

(Falls Church, VA) - The soldier who refused to serve under the United Nations
in Macedonia in 1995, Army Spc. Michael New, has filed a motion for an
expedited hearing with the Army Court of Criminal Appeals here.   The case has
lingered in that court for almost one year.
Retired Lt. Col. Henry Hamilton, from his law office in South Carolina,
has
emphasized that ten months is more than a reasonable time for the Army to rule
on the case.  “The Federal (civilian) courts told us to exhaust our military
remedy and then come back.  The Army is apparently focusing on the word,
‘exhaust.’ They know that our resources are limited and that theirs are not.
But we have American soldiers, from the same deployment that Michael New was
ordered on in Macedonia, now being charged as war criminals by the Serbs.
This
is precisely what we warned the Army about in our original defense – the
court-martial in which the Army judge refused to allow the jury to look at the
evidence.  Now, perhaps, they can see why we were concerned about the status
of
American soldiers serving in deployments as mercenaries instead of Americans,
or patrolling armed in regions where we have no legal basis for a presence."
Several Congressmen have inquired into why the Army is delaying their
ruling.  According to Daniel New, spokesman for the legal defense, “We don’t
expect to win in this court, be we at least hope they’ll beat us up and get it
over with so we can get on to the federal courts where the Constitutional
questions can be considered.  This case has yet to be heard on its merits,
after three years.  Every law student knows the maxim, ‘Justice delayed is
justice denied.’”
Michael New, a resident of Montgomery County, Texas, is a full-time
student
while awaiting his appeal.  He was serving in Germany at the time, as a medic
in the 3rd Infantry Division, which has been dissolved and merged into the 1st
Infantry Division.



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"He (President Clinton) refused to wear the U.S. military uniform
and was elected President of the United States, but when I refused
to surrender my U.S. Army uniform to wear the uniform of another
government, he had me court-martialed."

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[CTRL] Shipment of Potentially Lethal Iridium Briefly Disappeared (AP)

[Robert Tatman]

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"The NRC said that nationally, packages of nuclear materials are misplaced
about once a year."
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Shipment of Potentially Lethal Iridium Briefly Disappeared


AP
27-APR-99


BOSTON (AP) -- A lead container with a radioactive material strong enough to
kill anyone who opened the armored package was found in England 10 days after
it was supposed to have been shipped to Mexico.


The container, which was found unopened, held a relatively small amount of a
radioactive isotope of the metal iridium, used to X-ray pipeline welds and
aircraft parts as well as in treatment of cancer tumors.


The package was shipped via Federal Express on April 16 by AEA Technology QSA
of Burlington and addressed to a construction company in Toluca, Mexico,
according to Federal Express and the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.


Its disappearance touched off a frantic search and an NRC special alert, until
it turned up Monday at Stansted Airport outside London.


Because of the isotope's high radioactivity, unprotected exposure for more
than 10 or 15 minutes could cause a quick death, NRC spokesman Neil Sheehan
said today.


He likened the possible physical effects to "thousands and thousands of
X-rays."


Sheehan said the bulk of the package was made up of protective materials and a
security system, and the iridium made up a relatively small part of the total
weight. He said he didn't know how much the iridium weighed.


The cylinder containing the iridium was designed to resist breaking even in a
40-foot drop.


"These packages are built better than tanks," William McDaniel, AEA director
of operations, told The Boston Globe.


The NRC said that nationally, packages of nuclear materials are misplaced
about once a year.


Federal Express said only 0.5 percent of material it ships is radioactive.


Sheehan said the NRC was satisfied that the iridium package has been safely
recovered, but said the Department of Transportation is expected to
investigate.




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Re: [CTRL] CTRL Conspiracy

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] trolled:
>I'm a newcomer to this list, so I shouldn't really be saying
>anything...

That's right...'netiquette' is to 'lurk' for awhile and get a feel for
a list, and if you deem it not for you, unsubscribe without comment.

Listmembers, it seems we're getting infested with multiple AOHell IDs
here, intent on nothing more than flaming the list...

One has to ask oneself WHY it's so important to disrupt this list at
this time...?   ;-)


>but...I guess I will give my opinion.

Not that we asked for it, or care...


>I would like
>to get maybe 1/2 of the mail I do on this listserver.

Y'get whatz y'get...if you can't handle it, leave.  Quietly.


>I find myself deleting most of it.

As we will do with yours from now on, if this is any indication of the
calibre -- or lack thereof -- of your postings.


>I just don't have the time to read so
>much, and unfortunately because there is no limit on the posts,

Uhhh...last I knew, it was limited to 7-posts-per-day-per-person...


>Maybe some of the posters would consider this and keep their posts to
>less than 4 a day?

Why?  I think the 7-per-day works just fine...


>What do you all think?

That you are a troll.


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[CTRL] Cambodia Schools Skip ''Killing Fields''

[Robert Tatman]

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Cambodia Schools Skip ''Killing Fields''


Reuters
26-APR-99

PHNOM PENH, April 27 (Reuters) - Evidence of the Khmer Rouge reign of terror
is not hard to find in Cambodia -- from monuments piled high with skulls to
the deep emotional scars still borne by those who lived through it.

But just two decades on and amid moves to put Khmer Rouge leaders on trial for
their crimes, Cambodian schoolchildren find little or no mention of this dark
chapter in their textbooks.

Critics fear this will mean the lessons of the dreadful past will one day be
forgotten.

An estimated 1.7 million people died during the Khmer Rouge's catastrophic
revolution in the 1970s. The victims were either executed as class or ethnic
enemies, or died of starvation, disease or exhaustion in brutally run
agricultural collectives.

HISTORY DROPPED FOR RECONCILIATION

Countless tomes detailing Khmer Rouge atrocities were distributed in Cambodia
after Vietnam invaded to overthrow the Khmer Rouge in 1979, in no small part
to justify the intervention by a rival and historically despised neighbour.

But those books dropped out of fashion after rival factions signed a post-Cold
War peace treaty in 1991 and "national reconciliation" became the main
political buzzwords.

Schools started leaving Khmer Rouge crimes off their lessons in the late 1980s
after Vietnamese troops withdrew from Cambodia and momentum for peace
intensified.

"We didn't want to see the young generation seek revenge for the past," said
Education Ministry director-general So Muy Kheang. "We dropped it because we
want to see national reconciliation instead of revenge."

Today's generation of students have to look hard for the few shabby volumes
available in dusty, underfunded libraries to find any reference to what
happened under the Khmer Rouge.

TEXT BOOKS MANIPULATED BY POLITICIANS

Cambodia's leading researcher into the record of Khmer Rouge crime said text
books had always been manipulated by political ideologues and they did not
provide a true historical account.

"The genocide had been manipulated by the politicians," said Youk Chhang, the
head of the Documentation Center of Cambodia.

He said he was hoping his findings, which include detailed records kept by the
Khmer Rouge government of their purges, would one day be included in school
text books.

"The issue is very sensitive still... but how can you grow up without knowing
part of your life?"

The issue of the Khmer Rouge, never far from the public agenda in Cambodia,
has dominated debate since the group's disintegration late last year and the
surrender or capture of all surviving members.

Prime Minister Hun Sen has warned that peace and reconciliation could be
endangered if efforts are made to prosecute all of those seen as responsible
for crimes against humanity and genocide.

Many ordinary Cambodians want to see Khmer Rouge leaders brought to trial --
not for revenge, but often simply to know why the killing happened.

HALF OF ALL CAMBODIANS BORN AFTER KHMER ROUGE

Today half of Cambodia's nearly 12 million people were born after the Khmer
Rouge were driven from power in 1979. For many, infamous Khmer Rouge leader
Pol Pot, who until his death last year lived a secret life on the Thai border,
is little more than a bogeyman figure.

Young Cambodians are often surprised and shocked to learn what happened under
the Khmer Rouge.

"What! Pol Pot's name in here? Where do these books come from?" asked
13-year-old school-girl Tuth Dyna, when she came across a book from the 1980s
detailing the horrors of the Khmer Rouge in Phnom Penh's main library. "I'm
angry with my teachers, they never even mention this in class."

Another student, Roath Vibol, said he was taught about World War Two but
nothing about the Khmer Rouge.

"I don't want to learn about the Second World War when I don't even know what
the Khmer Rouge did," he said.

Chhay Yiheang, a professor at Phnom Penh University, said the young generation
had to learn about their dark past.

"I think this period should be taught again. We have to separate history from
politics," he said.


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[CTRL] Is there proof of missile? *NEW*TWA800*NEW*

[Steve Wingate]

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--- Forwarded Message Follows ---
From:   "Peter L. Sroufe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:SNET: Is there proof of missile? *NEW*TWA800*NEW*
Date sent:  Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:26:26 -0700


Investigator releases new evidence

--

This is the first of a three-part series on the downing of TWA Flight 800.

--

By David M. Bresnahan
) 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

A former naval officer says the Clinton administration has evidence to
prove TWA Flight 800 was downed by a missile and is doing all it can to
cover it up.

More than 100 eyewitnesses interviewed by the FBI all describe seeing a
missile, says retired Navy Cmdr. William S. Donaldson III, a former
military crash investigator, trained flight controller and expert
investigator. Portions of the missile have been recovered, but have been
secreted away, he says. An operations manual for the search for missile
parts was issued by the FBI, and an official government report was unable
to rule out a missile and called for further investigation -- something
that has not been done, according to Donaldson and other confirming
sources.

For the past two years Donaldson has headed up a private investigation of
the controversial crash. He is now convinced a missile brought down TWA
Flight 800 causing the death of 230 people on July 17, 1996.

Donaldson claims the federal government has done everything in its power
to cover up what really happened to Flight 800. The cover-up, he charges,
has included prosecution of a journalist who was investigating flight
debris evidence and was convicted on federal charges, as well as
manipulating the official investigation to obtain the desired results
rather than seek the truth.

During his two years of private investigation, Cmdr. Donaldson and a group
of retired aviation specialists have interviewed over 100 witnesses who
saw what they claim was a missile rise from the water and hit TWA Flight
800. Those witnesses were also interviewed by the FBI.

The witnesses were located in a full circle around the crash site on four
aircraft, 19 boats, and 31 locations on shore. Many of the witnesses have
expertise which would enable them to distinguish a missile from a burning
aircraft.

The reports by these witnesses has been discredited by the government by
claiming they did not understand that what they saw was the burning
aircraft, not a missile, and by stating that after being confronted with
the facts they no longer believe they saw a missile.

"Their live testimony alone will prove the aircraft was shot down,"
Donaldson told WorldNetDaily in an exclusive interview. "This is why the
Justice Department has kept air crash investigators away from witnesses
for two and a half years."

Donaldson believes he has obtained enough evidence to present to a
grand jury and bring about indictments for "a cover-up of the felony murder
of 230 innocent people."

The FBI confirmed that it used as many as 1,000 agents in the process of
interviewing witnesses. The methods of interviewing and detailing what
those witnesses told them were lacking, according to Donaldson.

The FBI investigators should have made recordings or even videotapes of
the interviews with the witnesses. They also failed to ask technical
questions which would have enabled them to perform a triangulation and
identify where the missiles was launched. Donaldson complained that the
FBI simply wrote a few notes about each interview.

"That means the agent goes back to his office, depending how aviation
wise he is, and scribbles down a 302 form, which is a summary of the
interview. He keeps the notes and puts it in a folder with the 302 form. The
302 form then becomes the judgment, which has been filtered by a non-
aviation smart investigator," Donaldson explained.

The FBI did not use any special equipment to take bearing lines from each
witness location. They also did not ask questions related to speed of what
witnesses saw going up and hitting the airplane. Witnesses were also not
asked how many seconds it took from the apparent launch to the time of
contact with the airplane.

He said he blames the lack of proper questions by the FBI on "lack of
skill as an investigator." He said he did not believe the agents were
purposely trying to cover anything up. In fact, he said some of the agents
were genuinely excited about what they were being told. That enthusiasm
soon died. They were told to investigate only the evidence which supported
the government claim of a center wing tank explosion, not a missile,
according to FBI agents who cooperated with Donaldson's investigation.

The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration research
ship Rude (pronounced "Rudy") was able to reach the crash site of TWA
Flight 800 the morning after the crash. The very high-tech vessel is
equipped wi

[CTRL] [13a] Crime, Big Business & Watergate

[Kris Millegan]

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an excerpt from:
The Breaking of a President 1974 - The Nixon Connection
Marvin Miller, Compiler
Therapy Productions, Inc.©1975
LCCCN 7481547
--[13a]--

THE
HOWARD HUGHES
CONNECTION
Now that Richard Nixon has resigned the presidency, the country is being left
with many unanswered Watergate-related questions. One of these unresolved
areas concerns the large contributions and loans made to Nixon and his family
by Howard Hughes. With the investigations now stopped, impeded or in some
cases limited by Nixon’s remaining friends in Washington, it may never be
known exactly what Hughes got for his money, or even if Nixon and Bebe Rebozo
diverted any of the Hughes campaign contributions for their own personal use.
It has even been strongly suggested that the burglary of the Watergate
headquarters of the Democratic National Committee was done at least in part
to cover up the Nixon-Hughes connection. Democratic National Chairman
Lawrence F. O’Brien, who had done legal work for the Hughes organization, was
believed to have incriminating documentation about the Hughes contributions
to Nixon in his files at the Watergate office. Other copies of these
documents were said to be in the possession of Hank Greenspun, publisher of
the Las Vegas Sun. According to testimony by Nixon’s former aide Jeb
Magruder, when G. Gordon Liddy met with then Attorney General John H.
Mitchell on February 4, 1972, to push the plans for burglarizing and bugging
the Watergate offices, Liddy was also instructed to "review the situation to
see if there would be potential . . . for an entry into Mr. Greenspun’s
office."
Watergate burglar James McCord claims in his book A Piece of Tape that in May
1972: "Hunt told me that the Howard Hughes organization was going to have an
aircraft standing by outside of Las Vegas for a burglary team of Hunt’s and
Liddy’s, after an operation they had planned against Hank Greenspun, editor
of the Las Vegas Sun. I was later to learn that Hughes was at that time in
Nicaragua. Frankly, I’ve always believed that what was planned was that the
Hughes aircraft was to fly the burglary team from Las Vegas into Nicaragua."
According to Hunt’s testimony before the Senate Watergate Committee, he met
with Ralph Winte, head of security for one of the Hughes companies in early
1972. Winte told Hunt that he would try to produce a floor diagram of the
Greenspun office for the burglary team. Hunt asked Winte for assistance with
hotel-rooms and automobiles in Las Vegas, and Winte agreed to supply these.
Two weeks later Hunt and Liddy met with Winte at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel
in Beverly Hills. At this meeting there was a discussion of using a Hughes
airplane after the burglary of Greenspun’s office. The contents of
Greenspun’s safe were to be divided between the burglary team and the Hughes
interests. However, the idea of the burglary was later dropped. Neither Winte
nor Howard Hughes were subpoenaed by the Watergate Grand Jury or any other
official investigative body to answer questions about their role in the
proposed burglary in Las Vegas, their knowledge of documents in the
possession of Lawrence O’Brien, or the nature of the Hughes contributions to
Nixon.
That these specific and obvious questions are still unanswered as the
Watergate investigation winds down is bad enough, but perhaps even more
important is the fact that the American public is being cheated of a chance
to understand the political behavior of a billionaire who has had extended,
involved and very suspicious relations with organized crime figures from the
early 1930’s to the present. If we are correct in suggesting that the
National Crime Syndicate has been learning how to manipulate the political
process by grooming and influencing politicians, it is important to know just
where and how organized crime is coordinating these manipulative -efforts
with other powerful sections of the business community.
When law enforcement officials warn that organized crime is infiltrating
legitimate business, it is only logical to assume that criminal elements will
also be involved in the political lobbying routinely done by these
businesses. And just as it was previously suggested that the American public
would benefit from knowing more about the profitable relations of billionaire
Nixon-supporter Daniel Ludwig with organized crime in the Bahamas, it is even
more important to know the truth about the greater involvement of Howard
Hughes with these same elements in Hollywood and Las Vegas.

HUGHES INHERITS HIS WEALTH

In 1908 his father patented a revolutionary new oil-drilling bit which he had
developed with a partner, Walter B. Sharp. The new bit was rumored to cut
rock like cheese, when the old cork-screw types would fail, but Hughes and
Sharp wouldn’t sell their new device; they only leased it out at very good
fees. And to keep the secret of the three revolving and interlocking cutting
surfaces, Howard Hughes Sr. would carry the bit to the drill

[CTRL] [13b] Crime, Big Business & Watergate

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
The Breaking of a President 1974 - The Nixon Connection
Marvin Miller, Compiler
Therapy Productions, Inc.©1975
LCCCN 7481547
--[13b]--

THE SYNDICATE IN LAS VEGAS

In the mid- 1960’s Howard Hughes started to buy Las Vegas, purchasing many of
the hotel-casinos, an airline terminal, a local TV station and many mining
properties throughout Nevada. Before Hughes’ actions can be evaluated, it is
first necessary to establish organized crime’s relation to Las Vegas gambling.

In our section on The Annenberg Connection it was related how the National
Crime Syndicate in the mid-1940’s financed Bugsy Siegel’s dream of building a
huge hotel and gambling casino in Las Vegas. Nevada was the only state which
had legalized gambling, but until Siegel built his Flamingo, practically all
the action had been in Reno. However, even before the Flamingo began making a
profit, the Syndicate began to suspect that Siegel was secretly sending his
girl friend, Virginia Hill, to Europe to deposit cash stolen from the
Flamingo’s building fund.

The largest gathering of Syndicate leaders since the early 1930’s was called
for Christmas week of 1946 in Havana, Cuba. Everyone was invited except
Siegel. Lucky Luciano, recently deported to Italy, had arrived back in the
Western Hemisphere with the benefit of two new Italian passports. His
reservation at the Hotel Nacional in Havana had been made by Meyer Lansky,
who also took care of most of the other conference and party arrangements.
The New York delegation included Frank Costello, Joe Adonis, Vito Genovese,
Joseph Bonanno, Albert Anastasia, Willie Moretti, Thomas Lucchese, Augie
Pisano, Mike Miranda, Joe Profaci, and Joseph Magliocco.

Chicago was represented at the Havana conference by Tony Accardo and Al
Capone’s cousins, Charlie and Rocco Fischetti. The Fischetti brothers brought
along Frank Sinatra, who gave Luciano a gold cigarette case inscribed: "To my
dear pal Lucky from his friend Frank Sinatra." Carlos Marcello and "Dandy
Phil" Kastel came from New Orleans. Santo Trafficante arrived from Florida,
Stefano Magaddino represented Buffalo, and Lansky’s go-between with the
Mafia, Vincent Aiello (Alo) was present, along with several representatives
of organized crime from Cleveland, Detroit and Los Angeles. Thirty-six hotel
suites were required to house all the important gangsters who came to pay
their respects to Luciano.

There were discussions about narcotics, crime jurisdictions and rivalries.
Also a tentative decision was made to eliminate Bugsy Siegel, whose Flamingo
Hotel opening the very week of the Havana meeting had attracted relatively
few customers. By May 1947 the Flamingo began to show a profit, but word had
reached Lansky that Virginia Hill had taken another trip to Europe and there
was possibly as much as $500,000 of Syndicate money in a numbered Swiss bank
account belonging to Siegel. Siegel was executed in Virginia Hill’s Beverly
Hills mansion on June 20, 1947, and within minutes the Syndicate’s men had
taken over the Flamingo.

In the decade that followed hotel-casinos proliferated in Las Vegas. Everyone
assumed that Lansky had a piece of all of them, but a lot of guessing went on
as to who else owned what. Lansky is known to have financed the Thunderbird,
while Wilbur Clark’s Desert Inn was 74 per cent owned by the Cleveland
Syndicate—former bootleggers Moe Dalitz, Sam Tucker, Lou Rothkopf, Mom’s
Kleinman, Thomas McGinty and others.

The Sands, opened in 1952, was controlled behind the scenes by Lansky, Frank
Costello, Joseph "Doc" Stacher, former Florida bookmaker Ed Levinson,
Minneapolis crime figure Isadore Blumenfeld, and Joe Adonis. Frank Sinatra
owned 9 per cent. The Sahara was also opened in 1952 with money from
Syndicate backers in Chicago, Cleveland and New York. The Riviera was backed
by Tony Accardo, the Fischetti Brothers and  Sam Giancana. The Dunes was
controlled by New England Syndicate leader Raymond Patriarca; the Tropicana
by Costello and Kastel; and the Stardust by Dalitz and Company.

Caesar’s Palace was backed by money men Patriarca, Tony Accardo and Sam
Giancana from Chicago, Jerry Catena representing Vito Genovese from New York,
and Vincent Alo, Lansky’s shadow. Comedian Alan King is said to have remarked
of the ancient Roman decor of Caesar’s Palace: "I wouldn’t say it was exactly
Roman-more kind of early Sicilian."

Jimmy Hoffa, whose Central States Teamsters Union pension fund invested at
least $50 million in the hotel-casinos, hospitals, golf courses and various
other businesses of Las Vegas, was a major financial figure there, along with
the National Crime Syndicate leaders. Another person who became a major
figure on the Las Vegas scene was Albert Parvin, a former interior decorator
who had sold some of the first Las Vegas hotel-casinos their carpets. Parvin,
eventually to be listed on the Justice Department’s list of organized crime
figures, was closely examined in 1970 by then Republican Minority Le

[CTRL] Bonesman Archibald MacLeish

[Kris Millegan]

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an excerpt from:
Archibald MacLeish - An American Life
Scott Donaldson©1992
R.H. Winnick/collaborator
Houghton Mifflen Company
ISBN 0-395-49326-9
--

The still more sacrosanct customs surrounding election to senior societies
resisted such change, despite the efforts of a sizable group from the class
Of 1915. There were then three senior societies: Wolf's Head, Scroll and Key,
and at the pinnacle Skull and Bones. On a Saturday afternoon in May, the
junior class, or at least those of its members who thought they might have a
chance of election, assembled on the campus for the Tap Day ceremony. Each
society tapped fifteen men for membership, so that forty-five men Out Of 380,
or about one in eight, were elected. The chosen elite then retreated behind
the haze of mystery that surrounded the operation of the senior societies.
Each of them was said to own a "tomb," or a forbiddingly dark building,
somewhere near campus. Each was supposed to ensure the future success of its
members by lobbying on their behalf for jobs and advancement. But no outsider
knew for sure what they did, or what took place at their secret meetings. The
shroud of mystery lay most conspicuously over Skull and Bones, to the extent
that it became widely if erroneously believed that a Bonesman must
immediately absent himself from any room in which the very name of the
society was uttered.

This, then, was the institution that came under attack in mid-April 1913, a
month in advance of Tap Day. According to the Yale Daily News, about 150
sophomores banded together to raise three objections, not to the existence of
the senior societies but to the way they were organized. The first and
strongest objection was to their excessive secrecy, which the ringleaders of
the reform movement regarded as responsible for suppressing individuality,
stifling spontaneity, engendering hypocrisy, creating unnatural
relationships, and undermining existing friendships. Second, and in defiance
of logic, the class of 1915 opposed the "extreme publicity" associated with
Tap Day. This "unnecessary and sensational display" not only gave "undue
advertisement to the societies themselves but also overemphasize [d] the
distinction between those who [were] chosen and those who [were] not." Third,
the reformers criticized the societies for "inadvisable choice of members,"
by which they meant that merit should be the determining basis of choice and
that men should be elected "without undue regard to family influence or
personal interests." To make their point more effectively, a significant
number of sophomores bound themselves to refuse. membership in senior
societies until secrecy was "reduced to a reasonable privacy," Tap Day was
abolished, and the choice of members was conducted more equitably.

Undoubtedly the anti-senior-society movement was largely inspired by Owen
Johnson's popular novel Stover at Yale, published in the spring of 1912. Dink
Stover, the hero of that book, spends most of his college career working
toward possible election to Skull and Bones. Dink has no objection to Skull
and Bones's standards of selection; in fact, he admires its seeking out of
men who have had "to contend with poverty, its desire to reward ambition and
industry and character." But a few weeks before Tap Day he boldly takes issue
with the organization's overemphasis on secrecy and ceremony. "I've come to
the point," he tells his wife-to-be, "where I believe secrecy is un-American,
undemocratic and stultifying." So he speaks out against it, but in Owen
Johnson's fictional universe that selfless action merely makes him more
attractive to Bones. Dink is not only tapped for membership but tapped
fifteenth and last, which by tradition meant that he was the society's first
choice.

Arch MacLeish was not unsympathetic to the objectives of his reform-minded
classmates, but he adamantly refused to bind himself not to accept election
to a senior society. That seemed to him a preposterous position to take. In
print he scornfully described its adherents as "the Daughters of Dink," and
predicted that when Tap Day loomed for the class of 19115 the following year,
many of those who had pledged themselves against joining a society would be
fighting to get themselves released from their commitment. As it turned out,
that is exactly what happened. One classmate who had no chance himself of
being elected made it difficult for the others, refusing to release them from
their vows until the last possible moment. In the end, only three members of
the class of 1915 stuck to their pledge and refused election. No one turned
down Skull and Bones.

Shortly after five P.m. on May 14, 1914, Herman Livingston Rogers, a senior
member of Skull and Bones, wearing a black derby hat, came up behind MacLeish
on the Berkeley oval, clapped him on the shoulder, and commanded him to go to
his room in Vanderbilt Hall. Thus was Arch MacLeish chosen for the Bones club
of 1915, along with his roommate the foot

[CTRL] Fw: LM COMMENTARY: American school shootings/04-27-99

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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:
: American psychos?
:
: David Nolan reports from Washington on the hysterical discussion about the
: shooting at Columbine High School
:
: Before the smoke had cleared over Columbine High School in Littleton,
: Colorado, the questions were on everybody's lips: 'Who was to blame?';
: 'What caused this tragedy?'; 'How can we stop it happening again?'. Lots
of
: people  had their say, but as James Poniewozik pointed out in the online
: magazine Salon, 'In the land of no good explanations, the man with the
: daffiest explanation is king'.
:
: As with so many recent tragedies, much coverage was devoted to the fact
: that the killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold had websites, played video
: and computer games and maybe even watched too much television. One Gallup
: survey revealed that 82 percent of people said the internet was at least
: partly to blame for the shootings and 34 percent thought it was one of the
: factors that 'deserves a great deal of blame'. Sixty percent blamed the
: availability of guns, 49 percent TV, movies and music and 34 percent the
: media.
:
: The fact that the kids wore trenchcoats was even used as evidence against
: them. The San Francisco Chronicle suggested the coats were 'a symbol for
: everything from Hitler and the Nazis to mass murder to suicidal
fantasies'.
: They are also protection against the traditionally cold Colorado winters -
: but to point that out would have detracted from the irrational
: helter-skelter that passed for informed discussion on the issue.
:
: As the horror of the events became apparent, and the media had time to do
a
: quick web search, television news programmes showed images downloaded from
: websites purporting to 'predict' the carnage. Goths, or anybody dressed in
: black and wearing makeup, were interviewed. Basement rooms filled with
: game-playing computer nerds were filmed to show us all exactly where the
: tragedy came from.
:
: Soon after, the 'mind police' came on the scene. Counsellors,
: psychologists, safety experts and bullying experts all had their say. The
: fact that none of them had anything to add to what your average bar-room
: bore could make up after a couple of beers was irrelevant. In a thoughtful
: piece in the Washington Post, columnist Jonathan Yardley described the
: scene: 'First comes the sad, calamitous event...Then come the ghouls: the
: oleaginous journalists, the grief therapists, the ambulance chasers, the
: gurus, the zealots, the Mister Fix-Its...the invasion of the
bodysnatchers.'
:
: While some demanded controls on guns, and several commentators have
pointed
: out that every other country (including Serbia) has blamed the tragedy on
: America's gun culture, the discussion in the US itself has skirted the
: issue. While the Clinton administration has said that it would (yet again)
: examine the laws, that route has been tried, and few expect much to
happen.
: The rhetoric comes out, but with no expectation behind it. It is just one
: of many routes open to regulators.
:
: The real impetus is behind increasing the regulatory controls available to
: schools and the police. There is a demand for yet more controls on the
: internet, video games and television violence. But, as one almost hidden
: piece in the New York Times pointed out, it could just as easily be argued
: that these media had nothing to do with the tragedy. Citing seven multiple
: murders by teenagers between 1951 and 1979, the conclusion was obvious:
'If
: the...examples fail to show a pattern, it may be because there is none.'
:
: That won't prevent anybody from looking for one. And it certainly won't
: stop the overreaction. In the days after the shootings, several people
were
: arrested for the sort of threats dished out in schools every day of the
: week. And then every public high school in Washington was evacuated after
: one anonymous bomb threat. Last week America witnessed two tragedies. In
: one, 15 people died, including some of Colorado's brightest students. In
: the other, we took a further step towards the monitoring of our every
move,
: word and thought.
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[CTRL] Turkey's Kurd Guerrillas Attack NATO Over Kosovo

[Robert Tatman]

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"'Imperialism tries to hide its bellicosity and the death, hunger, poverty,
exile and destruction it inevitably brings by saying its real aims are the
defence of human rights and democracy,' the guerrilla Kurdistan Workers Party
(PKK) said in a statement carried by the German-based DEM news agency."


Turkey's Kurd Guerrillas Attack NATO Over Kosovo


Reuters
26-APR-99

ANKARA, April 26 (Reuters) - Kurdish rebels accused NATO on Monday of pursuing
"imperialist" ends in its campaign against Yugoslavia over Kosovo, saying
alliance support for Turkey's capture of guerrilla chief Abdullah Ocalan
showed its hypocrisy.

"Imperialism tries to hide its bellicosity and the death, hunger, poverty,
exile and destruction it inevitably brings by saying its real aims are the
defence of human rights and democracy," the guerrilla Kurdistan Workers Party
(PKK) said in a statement carried by the German-based DEM news agency.

The statement said Western complicity in Turkey's capture of Ocalan and
support for a Turkish army campaign against the rebels in mainly
Kurdish-populated regions of Turkey and Iraq proved NATO's motives were not
humanitarian.

"Those who fought for the freedom of the Kosovo people would not support the
colonialist war of destruction in Kurdistan. They would not hand over the
leader of a people's struggle for freedom to a scheme to kill him," it said.

Turkey captured Ocalan in Kenya in February after many western European
countries had refused to let him in.

He is now the sole inmate of an island jail where he awaits a treason trial
and possible death sentence for orchestrating the PKK's 14-year-old armed
campaign for Kurdish self rule in southeast Turkey.

More than 29,000 people have died in the fighting.

NATO member Turkey, where two Turkish nationalist parties surged in recent
general elections, says it has all but defeated the PKK militarily. The
fighting led to mass migration away from the southeastern countryside.

Ankara says there is no discrimination against its 12 million Kurdish citizens
and denounces the PKK as criminals and terrorists funded and encouraged by
hostile neighbours.


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Re: [CTRL] Tsadowq: It's about children, not brownie points.

[Sno0wl]

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On 26 Apr 99, , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Just to be clear:

Do people such as yourself in the Denver area believe the police are "covering up"
something in relation to the Columbine event--aside from their own incompetence?
IOW, Do the people believe the police really are/were incompetent or do they think
other factors were involved?

How are local people explaining the "reticence" of the police to act?

Why have we not heard anything on this list about the shooters' parents. On one list
where the father was heard in an interview the poster described the father as
"belligerent" in defending his son. Who are these folks and what are they "into"?

Apart from this, it's one thing to disagree with revcoal and/or her methods of posting
and "debating," but quite another to attribute what you perceive as her shortcomings to
her being a "housewife." Such sexism is highly offensive to all those of us who do
wash dishes, make beds, cook, clean, and even vaccuum, whether we have "hubbies"
to report to or not.


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Re: [CTRL] It's about children, not brownie points.

[Don Allen]

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At 12:10 PM 4/26/99 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
>Previous thread: The FACTS are still the FACTS.
>
>Fellow Lollards,

>Housewife June has asked if I can document my "claim", and
>adds that: "[S]ecurity guards as a rule are worthless in defending
>the public, rarely if ever receive any sort of professional training,
>rarely if ever even get trained in first aid and CPR..."

You aren't winning in this "argument". All you're doing is showing
that instead of dealing with issues, you're more interested in
spewing out the ad homenim insults to make your "ego" look
"right".

What possible difference could it make that June is a "housewife" ?
Are the opinions of "housewives" any less important than yours?

Mae Brussel was a housewife too..and probably the best conspiracy
researcher of all time.

You lose in this round. Next time, try dealing directly with issues and
drop the insults.


>
>Gee June, did you happen to know that the security guard
>was an off-duty Jefferson County Officer who, by radio, WAS
>in direct contact with the dispatch center?
>
>Here in Colorado, where we are one officer at a time becoming
>a police state, off-duty officers rotate in shifts, or work opposite
>of their regular police shift, in schools; video rental stores; high
>traffic entertainment centers; etc.
>
>People like myself, are part of a movement which is pointing out
>that these off-duty officers are using state vehicles, gas, etc.,
>while making money at their part-time jobs.  Either way, this
>was a COP on duty as the High School's security guard.
>
>This proves to be only ONE of Revcoal's ill-informed statements.
>
>Revcoal's entire argument about "point to point" radio contact,
>as well as your assumptions toward the inability of the "security
>guard, are BOTH completely irrelevant in light of the fact that
>this was an off-duty POLICE officer.
>
>Revcoal truly does not know what she is talking about, and
>she is [unfortunately] spreading disinformation through her
>own lack of credible data.
>
>In a message dated 99-04-26 07:48:43 EDT, revcoal says:
>talking approximately 20 calls coming in at once on a system that
>probably only has about 20 lines operational...>>
>
>You have a valid point!!!
>
>Let's see, 20 incoming calls, 20 lines operational.
>
>Is there supposed to be a problem here?
>
>Before you open your piehole, make sure that you
>are not falling into the trap that I am setting for you.
>
>Do *YOU* know how many emergency calls were placed
>between 11:00 a.m.and 11:30 a.m on Tuesday the 20th?
>
>In a message dated 99-04-26 07:48:43 EDT, revcoal says:
>>
>
>This is irrelevant.  The point of contention, was that this teacher
>could not have been on hold, blocking her OWN call's inability to
>get through to 911; which, Revcoal's own contradictive statements
>foolishly concluded.
>
>In a message dated 99-04-26 07:48:43 EDT, revcoal says:
>>
>
>Considering that we have not been able to confirm ANY calls
>more than the couple that have been released via tape, I would
>sure like to see this assumption of Revcoal's documented.
>
>The readers on this list should note that the great majority
>of my own statements do not begin with, "we can guess"
>or "presumably", "probably", as Revcoal's are forced to.
>
>In a message dated 99-04-26 07:48:43 EDT, revcoal says:
><>
>
>Readers, this is just one of June's semantic arguments which
>were never the point of discussion in the first place.  The point
>was that the 911 dispatch operator's "hide and wait" plan, was
>also what we witnessed to be the plan from the police who
>patiently waited outside for the gunfire to end.
>
>That is the bottom line.
>
>In a message dated 99-04-26 07:48:43 EDT, revcoal says:
>>
>
>We must address this because this was the central issue.
>
>Are the police not offering information because of an ongoing
>investigation?  Well of course, yes...and it doesn't take even
>a numbskull to figure that one out, and June's presence on
>this list has not failed to prove this to be true.
>
>Readers, it is my hope that we understand-- when we agree with
>the people who are *actually* covering up their OWN mistakes
>under the guise of "not tipping their hand" to future suspects
>--as June would have us foolishly believe-- we are part of the
>problem and not the solution.
>
>The reason I find Davis' press conference SO disconcerting, is that
>the parents of children who were sent to school TODAY, have a right
>to know the FACTS that Davis' did not answer.
>
>If there IS another suspect; if there IS reason to believe that there
>will be another attack today, the 26th, these parents have the RIGHT
>to know that their children are in possible danger.
>
>I just got off the phone, and have confirmed via channel 4's Brian

[CTRL] Skolnick: Plot to Assassinate Milosevic (fwd)

[Brian Redman]

 -Caveat Lector-

SKOLNICK: PLOT TO ASSASSINATE MILOSEVIC
===
(Below by Special Correspondent Sherman H. Skolnick)

(CNNS, 04/27/99) --  Plot  to  Assassinate  Slobodan Milosevic by
Sherman H. Skolnick:

To help a  proposed  ground  war.   Or,  to  make  a  ground  war
unnecessary.   In  either case, the secret forces of the West are
plotting to assassinate Slobodan  Milosevic.  Background:  in the
late 1980s, the  American  CIA  created  Milosevic.   Like  other
Frankenstein's  Monsters,  he  turned on his creator.  Others did
the same:  Saddam Hussein,  the  Iraqi strongman; Fidel Castro of
Cuba; Panama's Manuel Noriega.

Milosevic  became  an  outspoken  nationalist,  appealing  to the
masses in  a  country  long  over-run  by  huge  foreign  powers.
"Serbia  for  the  Serbians!"  was  the substance of his slogans.
Some fail to adequately explain  how  World War One started.  The
royals of the then powerful Austro-Hungarian Empire had  the  bad
sense  and timing to visit Sarajevo on a local national patriotic
holiday.  The royal bigwig and his wife were assassinated.

The Austro-Hungarian moguls  insisted  on intervening in Serbia's
internal affairs to supposedly investigate the murders.  The rest
is the blood-stained history, 1914 to 1918.

Has  the  example  of  1914  been  lost  on  the  United  States,
intervening on the internal affairs of Serbia?  Now,  by  way  of
intervening  in Serbia, the American CIA has a scheme both simple
and diabolical.  A journalist known  for being both outspoken and
independent  is  to  finally  get  an  exclusive  interview  with
Milosevic in the presence of a Peace  Delegation  from  the  U.S.
Unknowingly,  the  journalist  and the Peace Delegation are to be
the pilot laser  fish,  guiding  U.S.  missiles  right  to and at
Milosevic.

The journalist, not an establishment type at all, is to be thrown
away---blown away, actually---in the  process  of  the  political
assassination of the Serb leader.

Some  suspect  a  somewhat similar bloody trick was involved when
CIA-darling Larry King, of the  spy agency's creations Ted Turner
and CNN, lured the Minister of Information of Serbia to do a live
satellite hook up with Larry King through  the  Radio  Television
Serbia  facility in Belgrade.  The Serb official arrived near the
RTS Building and was horrified, just as the U.S. missiles struck.
If he had arrived a few moments earlier Larry King would have his
world exclusive---a Serb  official  and  a Serb Radio-TV facility
both blasted to bits for the  entertainment  of  war-mongers  and
apathetic viewers.

Those planning to take me,  a known independent journalist, in my
wheelchair, to meet  Slobodan  Milosevic,  are  well-meaning  and
innocent.   Note  to  CIA bastards:  I uncovered your dirty trick
just in time.  I am not going  to be the patsy and pilot fish, to
be thrown away,  in  your  bloody  scheme  to  intervene  in  the
sovereign  state  affairs  of Serbia, or any nation, by political
assassinations.  All, to  further  the  New World Disorder.  Stay
tuned.

--
Skolnick since 1963 has been the  founder/chairman  of  Citizen's
Committee  to  Clean  Up the Courts, investigating and disclosing
instances of judicial  and  other  bribery and political murders.
Recorded phone message(regular call)  (773)731-1100.   Office,  7
days,   8  a.m.  to  midnight,  (773)375-5741.   FAX(call  first)
(773)375-5742.   E-mail:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  webwsite[after
about 5/15/99]  skolnickreport.com  For  a  heavy  packet  of his
printed  stories,  send  $5.00  and  a  stamped,   self-addressed
business-sized  envelope  with  three  stamps  on  it to 9800 SO.
Oglesby Ave., Chicago  IL  60617-4870.   Since  1991  he has been
producer now moderator of public access Cable TV  Show,  one-hour
program  called  "Broadsides"  in  Chicago,  reaching  upwards of
400,000 viewers on Channel 21 Cable TV, 9 p.m.  Monday evenings.

--
CNNS  (Conspiracy  Nation  News  Service)  is an INDEPENDENT news
outlet, not owned by anyone.  (But  of course, we would say that,
wouldn't we?) BEWARE THE CFR! BEWARE THE CIA! BEWARE THE KNIGHTS!
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[CTRL] [11] The Strange Death of FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
The Strange Death of FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT
A History of the Roosevelt-Delano Dynasty America's Royal Family
Emanuael M. Josephson©1948
CHEDNEY PRESS
127 East 69th Street
New York 21, N. Y.
--[11]--

CHAPTER XI

INFANTILE PARALYSIS

"MY GEORGIA WARM SPRINGS BUSINESS"


In August 1921, Franklin Delano Roosevelt yachted to his summer home
at Campobello, New Brunswick, with his employer Van Lear Black. There he
succumbed to a paralyzing illness which had only recently begun to appear on
an extensive scale in this country. The disease was called poliomyelitis or
infantile paralysis by an orthopedic specialist who was not a spe-cialist on
acute infectious diseases.

Many rumors have circulated about the true character of Franklin Delano
Roosevelt's, illness. The rumors relate that he was delirious for an extended
period in the acute stage of the illness. They point out that it left him
with mental stigmata that are not characteristic of true poliomyelitis; that
his judgement became impaired and he became so highly suggestible that he
would agree with everyone and act on the counsel of the last person who
advised him; and that he suffered from prolonged and uncontrollable attacks,
or fits, of excitement and laughing alternating with depression and crying,
that often were brought on by displeasure and stress at being thwarted, and
sometimes by the pleasure; and were publicly witnessed on a number of
occasions.

So persistent were these rumors that Dr. Lindley Rudd Williams, son-in-law of
Kidder of the Morgan affiliate, Kidder, Peabody and Company, and director of
the Rockefeller subsidized New York Academy of Medicine, was called upon,
just prior to the Presidential nomination, in 1932, to write for Collier's
Magazine an article vouching for the state of Roosevelt's physical and mental
health.

Roosevelt's condition can be very simply explained. There are two types of
"infantile paralysis". There is the type that involves the spinal cord and
only the lower, respiratory areas of the brain. That is known as
poliomyelitis. This condition had become fairly well-known to the American
medical profession after the severe epidemic of 1916.

There is a second type of "infantile paralysis" that was very little known
and rarely recognized in 1921. Prior to that time it had begun to appear
extensively among animals, especially horses; and to the veterinarians it was
known as- equine encephalomyelitis. In 1932, the first extensive human
epidemic of the disease occurred in St. Louis.

The encephalomyelitic  form of "infantile paralysis" also causes paralysis
involving the spine and the lower centers of the brain. But in addition it
involves the upper centers of the brain and generally damages them severely.
Sometimes the disease assumes the form of "sleeping sickness". But almost
always it leaves mental stigmata in addition to paralysis.

It is reasonably certain that Franklin Delano Roosevelt suffered from an
attack of encephalomyelitis that was unrecognized because his was among the
earliest group of human cases in this country. The diagnosis serves to
explain the stigmata above mentioned. Eleanor Roosevelt and shrewd and loyal
Louis Howe, carefully withheld the facts regarding F. D. R.'s true condition
for fear that it would interfere with his career, if he recovered.

On his recovery, and his return to business, Franklin Delano Roosevelt became
involved in a series of malodorous, messy stock flotations that the S. E. C.
would now label highly fraudulent. There was absolutely no need for him to
become entangled in such deals because of the many friends, relatives and
business associates indebted to him anent war activities.

It is obvious that his judgement was far from what it might be and that it
was so seriously impaired that he was excessively suggestible and too easily
talked into things.

George Foster Peabody, New York confederate of Rockefeller, approached F.D.R.
during his recovery, in 1924, with a story of a Georgian, helpless victim of
infantile paralysis who had recovered from the paralysis sufficiently to
walk, by swimming in a pool at Warm Springs, Georgia. Peabody had bought the
Springs and wanted to turn them over to him. Roosevelt visited the Springs
and Louis Howe was on the job to see that he got a good press. A syndicated
article entitled "Swimming Back to Health" brought Warm Springs into the
limelight and kept the spot on F. D. R. The article brought a number of
victims of infantile paralysis to the, Springs. Roosevelt accepted Warm
Springs from Peabody, attracted the attention of the Orthopedic Society, at
its convention in Atlanta in 1926, by the device of asking. for an
investigation; and organized it as a hydrotherapeutic institute under the
supervision of Dr. Le Roy W. Hubbard of the New York State Department of
Health. In July 1926, at about the time that he invited investigation by the
Orthopedic Society, F. D. R. organized in Delaware a business corpor

[CTRL] [12] The Strange Death of FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
The Strange Death of FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT
A History of the Roosevelt-Delano Dynasty America's Royal Family
Emanuael M. Josephson©1948
CHEDNEY PRESS
127 East 69th Street
New York 21, N. Y.
--[12]--
CHAPTER XII

FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT
HIGH FINANCIER

Franklin Delano Roosevelt, as poor relation of some of the wealthiest clans
in the world, could have become identified through them with some of the
leading enterprises in the country. But the mental aberration and lack of
judgement, that made it impossible for him to attain a passing grade in his
law studies and to graduate, was aggravated by- the after-effects of the
attack of encephalomyelitis that intensified his high suggestibility. This
led to his being used in a number of off-color stock jobbing deals that
rooked the investing public. It is questionable whether any one man was more
consistently identified during the prosperous 1920's with enterprises that
trimmed the investors than "high financier" Franklin Delano Roosevelt. His
record was consistently putrid.

It is more or less consistent with his admiration of things German, with
which he was imbued in his childhood, that three of the four stock flotations
with which he was identified related to Germany. The fourth reIated to the
elimination of labor from merchandizing. As in the case of Cousin Ulysses S.
Grant the glamour of the family name was peddled to none too scrupulous
manipulators to assist them in unloading questionable stocks to the sucker
public.

The first of these dubious ventures, launched in 1922, was the United
European Investors Ltd., that was incorporated under the charter of the
Dominion of Canada. Its president was listed as Hon. Franklin, D. Roosevelt,
then vice president of the Fidelity & Deposit Company of Maryland. His
associates in the enterprise included August Scherer, William Schall, Senator
John von Berenberg Gossler, partner of the Hamburg banking firm of the same
name and Alfred Arnthal of Hamburg. Its stock was payable in German marks and
was sold to the public in denominations of 10,000 marks a share, with a total
capitalization of 600,000,000 marks. Its purpose as stated in its
advertisements was "to take advantage of the present money stringency in
Germany". The advertisements represented that "sound and attractive
investments can be secured for marks at prices which should ensure profitable
returns coupled with safety of principal". At a time when many colossal
fortunes were piled up in Germany by shrewd, able manipulators such as
Stinnes, Thyssen, Cagliostro and others by taking advantage of the
manipulation of currency, FDR's enterprise came to an ignominious end.

In 1927 Franklin Delano Roosevelt was identified with another stock jobbing
scheme for the benefit of Germany that cost the American investment public
heavily-the International Germanic Trust Company. Its purpose was to further
trade with Germany and to deal in German acceptance. The enterprise showed
losses from the very start. The stock which was sold to the American public
for $170 a share was eventually liquidated for $19 a share.

The following year found Franklin Delano Roosevelt used as "sucker bait" on
the board of directors of the Consolidated Automatic Merchandising Company
abbreviated to "Camco." The purpose of the enterprise was to eliminate labor
from the sale of an ever increasing array of merchandize, and to sell by
means of automatic vending machines. Eleven million dollars were extracted
from the public purse for stock in units of one common and one preferred
share at $55 a unit, in July 1928. At about this time Roosevelt secured the
gubernatorial nomination.

It is a curious fact that in this instance, as in others that involve
Roosevelt and the Dynasty, the radicals and so-called "liberals" made no
outcry of "Wall Street candidate" ag[a]inst Roosevelt. In publications that
attacked the wealthy, no mention was ever made of the Roosevelt-Delano clan
except in the most favorable light. Thus left-winger Ferdinand Lundberg in
his "America's 60 Families" advertised as a "sensational expose'' of
"malefactors of great wealth", makes no mention of the Roosevelt family or of
the Delanos except to mention Fred Delano's position with the Federal Reserve
Bank. This appears to make it clear who inspired these attacks.

The advertising and literature which was used in the sale of "Cameo" stock
was so laden with deception and misrepresentation as to be notorious even in
those days. The advertising dilated in glowing terms on the prospects of the
industry, quoting numerous authorities, including Babson, on automatic sales
machines, in a manner as to lead the prospective buyers to believe that they
commended Cameo.

But they mentioned nothing about the assets. To cover up the question of
assets, the advertised material expounded on "good-will industries" in which
it classed Cameo with the William Wrigley Jr. Company and the Coca Cola
Company. It stated that the Co

[CTRL] [16a] Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman
ANTON CHAITKIN (C)1984
New Benjamin Franklin House
P. O. Box 20551
New York, New York 10023
ISBN 0-933488-32-7
--[16]--

-16-
Anthropologists Against
Indians

The Germans have seen them before.
When Green Party members riot against an American military base, assault a
civilian airport, or beat up their opponents on the street, they present
themselves deliberately as an ugly mob. The painted hair sticks out crazily,
the drugs are flaunted, the degree of contempt for civilization is itself a
weapon, the terror weapon used by the Nazis before them.

It is a movement with worldwide ambitions. The World Wildlife Fund, through
its president, Prince Philip of England, announces its determination to
prevent the deforestation of the tropics.(1) The fund enlists the agencies of
the United Nations against the efforts of underdeveloped nations to build
cities, farms, and factories. They coordinate with population specialists
whose clinics work relentlessly against childbirth.

The movement's goal of reversing "overpopulation" may be furthered through
the death of millions of Africans, now starving in droughts which could have
been averted by infrastructure such as canals, dams and reservoirs. The
movement, sponsored by companies otherwise interested in oil, minerals, and
real estate, condemns large-scale construction projects as unnatural
tampering with nature. "Let us preserve the ecological balance"—with the
death of impoverished humanity.


America, a great prize sought by the movement, is half conquered. The very
home of the Idea of Progress, the nation whose inventive genius subdued
nature and made freedom practical, has allowed an aggressively hostile and
alien philosophy to dominate American schools, news media and government
agencies, while tragically restricting the work of nation-building and
development Americans could be doing with the poorer countries.

We will outline here the origins of the environmentalist attack against the
United States in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. From its roots
in the concocted science of "anthropology," to its emergence as the
Conservation of Natural Resources, the movement will be seen as a coldly
calculated offensive against human progress, against Reason itself, run by a
most bizarre collection of foreign agents and compulsive racists. The cult of
Mother Earth has indeed laid its eggs in America; but it is hopefully not too
late to step on them.


TR's Counterrevolution

A unique statue of President Theodore Roosevelt has long stood in front of
the American Museum of Natural History in New York City. A visitor may well
think it odd that such a statue has never been pulled down by an insulted
public. Teddy Roosevelt, the enormous Anglo-Saxon hunter, sits astride an
immense horse. On either side of him, walking in the dust, are half-naked
figures, his guides, one a black African, one an American Indian. Nearby the
words "soldier" and "conservationist" are carved in stone.

Historians have usually portrayed Teddy Roosevelt's regime (l901-1909) as a
progressive era for the United States, while conceding that, for the tropical
lands whose people Roosevelt held in contempt, this period may have been
something of a setback. Historians have given us a TR as consummate American,
who increased our national power and prestige, whose concern for the people's
welfare is shown by his role as the great champion of Conservation. When they
have been troubled by his obvious bullying tactics in foreign affairs, and
embarrassed by his racial attitudes, they have simply steered citizens'
attention toward his domestic progressivism.
That TR's rule was in fact a disaster for our country, a virtual
counterrevolution against the American System of Washington and Lincoln, is
perhaps best proven by his Conservation activities. Let us return to the
scene of this not-so-progressive movement. Let us view TR in action with the
perpetrators, the midwives of the movement, and then follow the trails of
these men and their collaborators back in time, and back and forth across the
Atlantic, as they prepared the birth of the movement.

It is May 1908. A great meeting is in progress in Washington, D. C. The
governors of all the states are gathered, at the request of the President,
together with the entire cabinet, and a number of distinguished guests. Every
member of Congress has been invited—but not the Congress as a body.
This is an extraconstitutional meeting, the first "governors' conference"
ever called. It is a carefully stage-managed national conference on
Conservation.

If any present are wondering about the legal status of the conclave, railroad
financier James J. Hill sets their minds at ease: "It is in effect a
directors' meeting of the great political and economic corporation known as
the U.S.A. The stockholders are the 87 million people of this country; the
directors are the state and federal officers."

Th

[CTRL] [16b] Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman
ANTON CHAITKIN (C)1984
New Benjamin Franklin House
P. O. Box 20551
New York, New York 10023
ISBN 0-933488-32-7
--[16b]--

The Jesuit Heritage

Violently, almost hysterically anti-Roman Catholic,(30) Lewis Henry Morgan
nevertheless paid homage to the Jesuits. "The privations, and hardships
endured by the Jesuit missionaries, and the zeal, the fidelity and devotion,
exhibited by them, in their efforts for the conversion of the Indians, are
unsurpassed in the history of Christianity. They traversed the forests of
America alone and unprotected . . . they passed the ordeal of Indian
captivity, and the fires of the torture . . . but in the midst of all, they
never forgot the mission with which they were intrusted. The fruits of these
labors of Christian devotion are yet visible among the descendants of ancient
Iroquois; for the precepts spread among them by the missionaries are still in
the Indian mind, and many of them have been incorporated by them into their
own religious system. The intercourse of the French Jesuits with the Iroquois
furnishes, in some respects, the most pleasing portion of their history."(31)

After all, the Jesuits were Morgan's predecessors and trailblazers in the
work of manipulation. Jesuits had gone to live among the tribes in newly
occupied colonial areas (Canada, Paraguay, Asia). They skillfully portrayed
their religion as so value-free as to accommodate itself to any system of
belief, and were adopted into the tribal leadership. They then played a
mediating role with the outside world of fur traders, liquor merchants, and
colonial military officials.

They educated the tribe about its "uniqueness" and hence unsuitability to be
assimilated into Western scientific culture, or agricultural settlements.
They formulated for the tribe plausible stories about its origins and the
significance of its customs. The Jesuits' informants assumed increasing power
and began to direct the tribe. They created a "native" oligarchy with a mix
of former, Jesuit-filtered rituals and pseudo-Christian concepts. Jesuits in
Paraguay set up an iron totalitarian system with Indian slave laborers.

Lewis Henry Morgan recommended Iroquois worship as "in many respects far
above the highest conceptions of ancient philosophy," with an object less
"vague and indefinable" than that of "Socrates and Plato"; while monotheism
to him was only a slightly evolved variant of such pagan worship.(32)

But there is a fundamentally troubling aspect of this line of reasoning. The
religious and other culture of the Iroquois seems to have been wholly
reorganized under the European colonial regimes. The Iroquois confederation
was armed by Europeans to become an imperial police force over other tribes
throughout eastern North America. And certain forms of Mother Earth religion,
such as the White Dog cult atonement through the worship of a dead dog—first
appeared around the year 1800!
Such pagan worship may, to some people, have much to be recommended. But
whose religion was it?


America Against Itself; The Smithsonian

The Smithsonian Institution first appeared before the American public with
the Indian studies of Albert Gallatin and his ethnologists; now it sponsored
and promoted the work of Lewis Henry Morgan The Smithsonian's own history of
its Indian operations(33) boasts that "it was 'Systems of Consanguinity,' his
massive empirical work on kinship published by the Smithsonian, which
established Morgan's inquiry as a science and himself as an institution." In
the cited book, Morgan described Western civilization as a system of
organized greed.

The Smithsonian, under the cover of being a semi-governmental organization,
distributed questionnaires for Morgan to American diplomats in foreign
missions. They were to collect data on the nature of family institutions
throughout the world, to be used by Morgan and the Smithsonian to forge
literary and academic weapons against the further spread of American System
ideals.

In the closing decades of the nineteenth century, the Smithsonian was a
laboratory in which the surviving feudal nobility of Europe cooked up modern
anthropology; it was from the Smithsonian Institution that the reactionary
"scientific experts" were drawn, who, under President Theodore Roosevelt,
launched the Conservation movement and shut America out of its own frontier.

Although the Smithsonian Institution was founded on a $500,000 bequest to the
U.S. government from an Englishman named James Smithson, it was not a
foregone conclusion that it would be a "British" project. It was rather the
subject of a spirited debate in Washington in the 1840s: what kind of
scientific institution should be set up with the money, the benefactor having
died more than a decade before.

In 1838 Secretary of War Joel Poinsett had sent a government-sponsored
expedition inspired by Charles Reynolds to explore Antarctica and the world
for four years. When the ex

Re: [CTRL] Skolnick: Plot to Assassinate Milosevic (fwd)

[Colleen Jones]

 -Caveat Lector-

Is it legal in this country for our CIA and President Slobbo II, and his
Butcher Albright, to plan an assassination along with the news media?

Would this be conspiracy.if the would do this to Slobbo I, well they
do do it to anybody.

These people are criminally insane and should be locked up before they
do any more harm.

colleen

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[Frank Newsom]

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This list is a really fine group of conspiracy folk.  Can't even find the
one right under their own noses.  There was once a time when you could only
post 4 times a day.  There were many more "factual" posts and less
discussion.  Many of the older members are no longer here or post much less
frequently.  Threads of pure drivel go on forever.  There was discussion of
splitting the list into one for "serious researchers" by invitation only and
then there are the rest of us.  Nitwits.

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2

[ric carter]

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SkeptiNews 990427b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

*** New dinosaur species identified. CLEVELAND (AP) - Bones found over the
past two years have led to the identification of two new species of heavily
armored dinosaurs larger than elephants. The species, both 30-feet long, are
of an ankylosaur, or club-tailed armored dinosaur, and a clubless armored
dinosaur or nodosaur. They were identified as new species because the bones
differ from those of known dinosaurs. The bones include two partial skulls,
limb bones, a handful of armor and some backbones of the ankylosaur and a
shoulder blade and several dozen smaller bones of the nodosaur. See
http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559322370-034

: How do you distinguish between fossils of Earthly and extraterrestrial
lifeforms? Are ancient Reptilioids mistakenly identified as carnosaurs?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# HEALTH NUTS. For those of us who swear by Nyquil, this is divine justice
indeed: A Seattle researcher has determined that echinacea, hailed by the
roots-and-berries crowd as a magic herb for warding off colds and viruses,
not only fails to prevent respiratory illnesses but may actually increase
your chance of getting sick. A six-month study found that those receiving
echinacea developed sore throats and runny noses 20 percent more often than
those who received placebos. The researcher said he wasn't surprised to find
echinacea did nothing to prevent illness. But he was at a loss to explain
the herb's negative effects, suggesting that perhaps it somehow weakens the
immune system. By the way, Nyquil comes in a nifty cherry flavor.
http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/story/19354.html

: Do you prefer natural herbs, like hemlock, nightshade, poison oak, datura?
Is gravity organic? Is river water homeopathic? Do you prefer cherry Nyquil?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ I'd like to invite you to a meeting which will take place on August 19,
1999 at the exact geographical center of the continental United States.
The center lies slightly ouside the city of Castle Rock, South Dakota.
There, the future of humanity will be discussed, and plans will be made.
This meeting may be as significant as antigravity, or perhaps more so.
http://www.freez.com/joshua/gathering.html

: Do you ever do anything as significant as antigravity, if not more so? If
an asteroid fell onto the meeting site, would the world gain or lose? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

*** Buddhist monks accused of greed. TOKYO (AP) You get what you pay for in
life. But even in the afterlife? Japan's Buddhist establishment is increas-
ingly under attack over the practice of charging bereaved and vulnerable
relatives huge fees for afterlife names given to the dead at their funerals.
The tradition is ancient, and began with names conferred only on Buddhist
priests. When temples began according afterlife names to lay people, the
names became something akin to a ranking system reflecting the deceased's
noble actions during life. Now, however, the decision is based almost
exclusively on money. And lots of it. See
http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559332677-7ff

: Can you buy your way into your belief-system's paradise? Is it expensive?
Is it worth it? Would you convert to a belief-system with a cheaper heaven?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Short Takes:

# SATELLITE ZOOMING IN. Feeling watched? Maybe it's the new hi-res cameras
that will soon be storing and selling pictures of cars, crosswalks, and
people. www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/technology/story/19352.html

# Magnet therapy helps severe depression. A magnetic coil used to
stimulate the brain appears to ease some patients' severe depression
with few side effects, and may eventually replace electroconvulsive
treatment. Zap. See http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news418.html

# Congress: The Net Must Pay.  Whenever a new form of evil extrudes into
US society, demands for Internet regulation seem to arrive faster than a
greyhound on crack. www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/19359.html

# IS THE SPECTRUM A TRIBAL RIGHT? New Zealand says it has tried to be fair
with the aboriginal Maoris, especially when it comes to sharing natural
resources. But how do you share the islands' radio spectrum? Beam right
over: http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/business/story/19345.html

# Chernobyl virus causes Asian meltdown. The West was prepared for the mali-
cious Chernobyl computer virus, but it wreaked havoc in Asia and the Middle
East. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_329000/329688.stm
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SkeptiLinks:

# Chinese cult draws many followers - Falun Gong is a formidable social
  network: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559322847-16a
# China tries to soothe protesters - cult demonstratio

Re: [CTRL] HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE

[DIG Anonymous]

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Wow, thanks so much for this!  There have been times when I thought my heart
had stopped in the middle of the night, and I instinctively took deep
breaths,  but I never thought to cough hard.  Great information,  bound to
save a few lives.  Thanks again.

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Re: [CTRL] Contrails off Pacific NW on 4/24/99

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Steve,

Just came back from the Pacific Northwest and saw criss-crossed contrails
over Spokane, and over the Okanogan mountains, west of Ephrata.  I live in
the east and have never seen them before.  However,  every time I come back
from out there, I've been very sick with a respiratory illness I cannot
shake, I've had this since December and it will not go away, I have a
constant chest-deep racking cough and feel like there's a 200 weight on my
chest, I am afraid I'm going to end up with pneumonia. I haven't been sick
like this in 20 years, just when I go out west.  Must be something to it
after all.

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[CTRL] Navy Explosives Ordnance Disposal Divers in TWA800 Cover-up???

[Lloyd Miller]

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-Original Message-
From: Ian Goddard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 6:41 AM
Subject: FL800: WorldNetDaily Article

  The following, quoted from WorldNetDaily.com, cites
  examples of recovery operations for Flight 800 being
  delayed, keeping divers who were ready to dive out of
  the water for almost a week. This is well documented.
  A Police Magazine article written by Kevin Gallagher,
  who headed the New York Police Department Scuba Team,
  which was quickly on the scene, states that the Navy
  prohibited all diving by non-Navy divers for several
  days after the crash. During that time only Navy EOD
  ( Explosives Ordnance Disposal ) divers were allowed
  to dive: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/coverup2.htm
  (Police Magazine, Vol.21, No.7, July 97, pages 18-24)


==
=== WorldNetDaily.com 

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/19990427_xex_is_there_pro.sht
ml


 Is there proof of missile?
 Investigator releases new
 evidence

 This is the first of a three-part series
 on the downing of TWA Flight 800.

 By David M. Bresnahan
 (c) 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

 A former naval officer says the
 Clinton administration has evidence
 to prove TWA Flight 800 was
 downed by a missile and is doing
 all it can to cover it up.

 More than 100 eyewitnesses
 interviewed by the FBI all describe
 seeing a missile, says retired Navy
 Cmdr. William S. Donaldson III, a
 former military crash investigator,
 trained flight controller and expert
 investigator. Portions of the missile
 have been recovered, but have been
 secreted away, he says. An operations
 manual for the search for missile
 parts was issued by the FBI, and an
 official government report was
 unable to rule out a missile and called
 for further investigation -- something
 that has not been done, according to
 Donaldson and other confirming sources.

 [...]

 The National Oceanographic and
 Atmospheric Administration
 research ship Rude (pronounced
 "Rudy") was able to reach the crash
 site of TWA Flight 800 the morning
 after the crash. The very high-tech
 vessel is equipped with side sonar.

 "Finally when Capt. Debeau got the
 last transponder position the aircraft
 had actually transmitted from, and
 got the course and the speed, he
 plugged into his computers and got a
 ballistic solution to where the
 airplane went," explained Donaldson.

 He reported that Capt. Debeau was
 contacted by the National
 Transportation Safety Board and was
 asked to pick up surface debris. This
 was unusual because the ship was the
 best equipped of all units on the
 scene to look for items below the
 water, not recover floating items
 which could be more easily picked up
 by larger vessels which were better
 equipped to do that.

 "There were six other Coast Guard
 Cutters that were bigger ships on
 scene and didn't have that vital gear
 on board that the Rude did," said
 Cmdr. Donaldson. "You start
 screwing around with something on
 the surface when you're a sub-sea
 observer -- it's a waste of your
 mission. The NTSB gives him a
 surface job and that screws up his
 looking for the debris on the bottom.
 Eventually he passed it off to a
 cutter."

 Within just 10 hours of searching the
 bottom for debris, the Rude provided
 detailed maps to the NTSB which
 showed the exact location of the
 under water debris fields. Despite
 having such vital information so
 quickly, orders from the White House
 prevented any recover effort for
 almost a week.

 Official Coast Guard logs indicate
 that a call was placed to Weeks
 Marine, Inc. with a verbal agreement
 for that company to begin salvage
 recovery immediately. That contact
 was made shortly after the crash.
 Weeks Marine had the largest salvage
 vessel on the East Coast just a short
 distance away in transit.

 The large ship w

Re: [CTRL] HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE

[flw]

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- Original Message -
From: Bill Richer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 2:42 PM
Subject: HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE
>  HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE

>   However, these victims can help themselves by coughing
>repeatedly and very vigorously. A deep breath should be taken before
each
>cough, and the cough must be deep and prolonged, as when producing
sputum
>from deep inside the chest. A breath and a cough must be repeated
about
>every two seconds without let up until help arrives, or until the
heart is felt
> to be beating normally again.
> In this way, heart attack victims can get to a phone and, between
breaths,
> call for.

Thanks for the valuable information.
Maybe now I can allow myself to watch Hillary Clinton on TV again.
flw

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Re: [CTRL] IS PROMINENT THINK TANK A BASTION OF RACIST THEORY?

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In a message dated 04/27/1999 12:13:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Charles Murray's proposed study of genetic explanations for poverty
 was too hot to handle for the conservative Manhattan Institute -- but
 not for AEI, where he is a Bradley Fellow and where he completed the
 controversial book "The Bell Curve." In his book "Slouching Towards
 Gomorrah," Robert Bork -- AEI's John M. Olin Fellow in Legal Studies
 -- locates much of the blame for the "decline of bourgeois culture" in
 African American culture. AEI fellow Ben Wattenberg shares Bork's
 perspective and has written that the global demographic dominance of
 non-European populations threatens the ability of
 the West to continue its role as "the driving force of modernization." >>

See--every important name in our present culture is right here.  Murry, Bork,
Wattenberg--can we ask for any greater authorities?  Prudy

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[CTRL] Report on War Powers Vote--Call Congress!!!

[David Crockett Williams]

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From: Carol Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Peace list from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Report on War Powers Vote--Call Congress!!!
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 6:40 PM

From: Carol Moore, member, D.C. Stop the War Now
and Washington D.C. Area War Tax Resistance

I don't know if this made the TV news--didn't see it on the newswires.
The resolutions debated by the House Committee on International
Relations for forwarding to the House floor were:
**House Joint Resolution 82 calls on the President "to remove United
States
Armed Forces from their positions in connection with the present
operations
against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia."  (CALL CONGRESS AND
TELL THEM YOU SUPPORT IT!!)
**House Joint Resolution 44 declares "a state of war between the United
States and the Government of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia."
 Both were introduced by Rep. Tom Campbell (R-CA).
Both Democratas and Republicans agreed that there is a Constitutional
issue since technically only Congress can declare war.  (Under the War
Powers Act, the President must, within a maximum of 90 days of reporting

to Congress that he has placed US troops "into hostilities or into
situations
where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the
circumstances"-- to withdraw those troops unless Congress has
declared war or voted to grant a specific authorization for the use
of armed forces.  Clinton ignored the law in Bosnia and Congress
did not make him obey, defeating a 1998 Campbell Resolution. So
the War Powers issue may yet be fought again.)
   As an ex-Democrat, I found it disgusting to watch the Democrats
mostly supporting Clinton's right to make war or peace without Congress
getting very involved--the two standout exceptions being Reps. Barbara
Lee and Cynthia McKinney who called for an immediate end to
the bombing, negotiations and a UN or other peacekeeping role.
The Republicans were all over the place on the issue, though most
were
critical of Clinton and the military as either too aggressive or not
aggressive enough.
The biggest fireworks occured when Rep. Chabot (R) declared that
the bombing had made the refugee problem much worse.  Rep. Lantos
(D) (who continuously reminds everyone he is a holocaust survivor)
tried to bully Chabot into taking the statement back but he refused.
Rep. Gejdenson (D) then ranted in the same vein.  However, Ms.
Lee and McKinney both later made the same points
as did Chabot (though more subtly) without having to suffer such taunts.

   Mr. Campbell was asked what he would do if both his resolutions fail.

He said he would do what Representative Dellums did in the Iraq War
situation, and sue claiming the war is illegal.  Dellums lost that case
in
District Court.
   The Committee did vote to send both resolutions to the floor of the
House, but also recommended the House vote *against* both.
The vote could be as early as tomorrow, but the Committee did
not specify when. While Congress will not vote to declare war,
the Democrats obviously were a bit worried it might vote to
bring the troops home.  But that would take a massive citizens
effort, which is not likely in the next few days.
One moment of drama was when Rep. Curt Weldon of the
Armed Services Committee asked to speak about his plan to
meet with a Russian representative Friday in Vienna, along with Reps.
Steny Hoyer and (unintelligible) another representative.  He emphasized
the only problem the Russians had with NATO's demands was
that NATO should not be the peacekeepers.  It would be nice
if Rep. Weldon and his crew could singlehandly resolve the issues,
but I don't think we should hold our breaths.
   Overall, the hearings gave me the feeling that we live in a
dictatorship
where the president has complete power of life and death over all
of us, via war, world war and nuclear war.  Happily, the House guards
were nowhere to be seen so I wore my peace buttons and gave out
my article "Four Reasons We May See Nuclear War in 1999"
http://www.kreative.net/carolmoore/4-reasons-nuke-war.hmtl
to press, public and congresspersons without interference.
(Only mention of nuke war at the hearing!)  One can only hope
that one's being there makes some small difference!!
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Call, fax, email your senators and congressperson. 202-224-3121
Tell them you support House Joint Resolution 82 to bring the troops
home.
Also, there is a new webpage that will email them for you easily.
http://www.StoptheWarNow.com

Also call President Clinton at White House Comment line
202-456- and say you are  against bombing and ground
troops.  (Go straight to Operator since as of yesterday it was
not a question on the menu.)  Or email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And don't forget Madeline Albright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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[CTRL] Chicago Suburbs to Evit Gang Members?

[Sno0wl]

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There was a wire story today about a Chicago suburb that has voted (passed a law/?)
to evict gang members from their homes and force them to leave the suburb.

So "ethnic cleansing" begins in the good ol' US of A??
sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] Chicago Suburbs to Evit Gang Members?

[Candi]

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Not all gang members are black.  I don't believe this is an attempt at "ethnic
cleansing".  I work in a prison where the gangs are pretty even, race wise.
Also, this is a serious problem.  Gangs are a menaces to society.  I wish more
areas would adopt something like this.

On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:07:52 +, you wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
>There was a wire story today about a Chicago suburb that has voted (passed a law/?)
>to evict gang members from their homes and force them to leave the suburb.
>
>So "ethnic cleansing" begins in the good ol' US of A??
>sno0wl
>
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Re: [CTRL] Chicago Suburbs to Evit Gang Members?

[Ric Carter]

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- Original Message -
From: Sno0wl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> There was a wire story today about a Chicago suburb that has voted
> (passed a law/?) to evict gang members from their homes and force
> them to leave the suburb.
> So "ethnic cleansing" begins in the good ol' US of A??

No, that's not "ethnic cleansing", that's "guilt by association."
"Ethnic cleansing" in the US goes back to the Trail of Tears - Andy
Jackson's Supreme Court-defying genocidal measure against Native
Americans.  It encompasses "the only good Injun is a dead Injun",
and putting West Coast Americans of Japanese ancestry into concen-
tration camps, and enslaving New Orleans' Free Creoles of Color
after the Louisiana Purchase, and driving non-Euro miners from
California's 49er gold fields, and "the other side of the tracks",
and Oriental Exclusion laws, and racial covenants in trust deeds,
and forcing Hispanics into barrios, and deporting Braceros, and
"Irish and dogs not allowed".  It's an American tradition.  It's
nothing new.  Your ancestors may have done it.  Yow.  --Ric

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[CTRL] Fw: Claremont Institute Precepts: Forgetting the Lesson of the Cold War?

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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: Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 3:48 PM
: Subject: Claremont Institute Precepts: Forgetting the Lesson of the Cold
: War?
:
:
: :
: :
: : The Claremont Institute--PRECEPTS |
: | April 27, 1999
: : Visit  |
: | No. 160
: :
: : This weekend the United States hosted a celebration of the
: : 50th anniversary of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
: : There is plenty to celebrate in NATO's history, above all
: : its successful 40-year showdown with the Soviet Union. But
: : even as the dignitaries and their entourages traversed
: : Washington in their limousines and enjoyed their cocktails,
: : there were ominous signs, rendered manifest by the war in
: : Yugoslavia, that NATO's and the free world's leader has
: : forgotten the chief lesson of the Cold War. To wit: an
: : overwhelming defense is the surest means to peace.
: :
: : The extreme cuts in America's defense spending over the six
: : years of the Clinton administration were not made in
: : secret. Yet many Americans seem surprised that we are
: : having to pull aircraft carriers out of strategically
: : important areas of the world to conduct an air war against
: : a country the size of a medium state, and that in the first
: : weeks of that war we nearly depleted our supply of cruise
: : missiles and have no more currently in production.
: :
: : Nor is the problem confined to liberals. Last week, former
: : Senator Bob Dole--who unlike President Bill Clinton,
: : Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, and National
: : Security Advisor Sandy Berger, is not a veteran of the
: : radical anti-defense spending McGovern campaign of 1972--
: : questioned the consistency of congressional leaders who
: : want to beef up America's defense budget, and yet who are
: : less than enthusiastic about the war in Yugoslavia.
: : "What do they want more defense funding for," Dole asked,
: : "if they don't want to use it?"
: :
: : The fact that even this old Cold War patriot has forgotten
: : the common sense answer to his own question--namely,
: : "Defense"--calls to mind Winston Churchill's semi-serious
: : dictum: "Unteachable from infancy to tomb--there is the
: : first and main characteristic of mankind."
: :
: : Many of our closest friends, good people with whom we have
: : been closely allied on similar issues in the past, are
: : "whole-hog" supporters of the current war. They make two
: : arguments.  The first is that we must see this war through
: : at all costs, so that our adversaries will respect us. This
: : would make more sense if we were fighting with clear
: : objectives, in a mood of assertiveness, and from a real
: : condition of strength. As it is, we are fighting in half
: : steps, our ends unclear, and running out of weapons. Even
: : if we see this through, if that is still possible given how
: : we began, the spectacle is not likely to impress Russia,
: : China, North Korea, or Iraq.
: :
: : The second argument for the war is humanitarian.  In this
: : regard, I recommend a fine article in the May 8 issue of
: : _National Review_ by Mark Helprin, entitled "A Fog That
: : Descends From Above." It makes a strong case that the
: : forced and murderous mass emigration of Kosovar Albanians
: : over the last month has been at least as much a result of,
: : as a justification for, the war.
: :
: : This much seems clear: Our priority today should be to arm
: : the United States to an awesome level, and to build a
: : national missile defense.  We should do these things
: : primarily to make sure that the people of this country, and
: : others to whom we have given our pledge, may be safe and
: : secure in their lives and liberty.  Then, and only then,
: : should we use our strength to spread the American message
: : of freedom and justice.
: :
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: : President, The Claremont Institute
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[CTRL] East Timor: Red & White

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

>From etan.org

 The ETAN/U.S. Condemns Killings, Calls for U.S., UN Action
Sunday, 18 April 1999
For Immediate Release Contact: John M. Miller (718) 596-7668

East Timor Action Network Condemns Latest Killings Calls for U.S., U.N.
Action to Disarm Paramilitaries

The East Timor Action Network/U.S. today expressed outrage at the brutal
attacks by the Indonesian-armed and created paramilitaries in Dili, the
capital of East Timor. ETAN urged the U.S. government and the United Nations
exert maximum pressure on the Indonesian government and military (ABRI) to
disarm and disband the militias.

"Indonesia must allow the immediate deployment of U.N. personnel to protect
human rights and monitor Indonesian troop withdrawals and the disbanding of
the militias," said John M. Miller, spokesperson for the network.

ETAN is planning demonstrations next week at Indonesian diplomatic offices
in Washington, DC, New York and Chicago to protest the killings.

On Saturday, more than 1500 armed pro-Indonesian paramilitary members took
control of the streets of Dili. At least 13 are reported killed and the
death toll is expected to climb as Indonesian police and troops allow the
rampage to continue. Hospitals and clinics are filled with wounded;
photographers have been threatened and foreign journalists attacked.

The paramilitary soldiers organized and armed by the Indonesian military
began their assault on the people of Dili with a rally attended by the
Indonesian-appointed governor of East Timor. The military and police have
stood by refusing to halt the violence, instead providing water and
cigarettes to the paramilitaries, according to accounts received by ETAN.

Last week a coalition of paramilitary groups threatened to "wipe out" all
those who supported independence for the former Portuguese colony or refused
to fly the red and white Indonesian flag.

"Red and white now mean blood and bandages to the East Timorese," said
Miller.

"This terror campaign is clearly designed to derail any prospect of a UN
organized vote by the East Timorese on their political future," added
Miller.

At least 275 people have appeared on a death list distributed early last
week by the paramilitary groups. On the list are civil servants, members of
the National Council of Timorese Resistance, and advocates of
reconciliation. Militias have also threatened Catholic Bishop Carlos Ximenes
Belo, co-winner of the 1996 Nobel Peace Prize. Several homes of people on
the hit list have been attacked or burned down.

The ABRI-supported paramilitary rampage may have only just begun. Militia
leaders have threatened to continue their "cleanup operation" into next week
when U.N.-mediated talks on East Timor are scheduled to resume.

The paramilitary groups have been recruited, armed and trained by ABRI in an
attempt to sabotage the UN ballot planned for July, in which the East
Timorese may vote for or against an Indonesian government "autonomy"
proposal.

The attack on Dili is the latest in a series of assaults by the
paramilitaries. On April 5, at least 25 people seeking refuge from previous
attacks were killed at a church in Liquica in a joint operation between a
paramilitary group and ABRI. Since then there have been daily killings by
paramilitary groups.

"The U.S. State Department has urged the Indonesian government 'to bring the
pro-integration militia groups under control,' but stronger pressure is
really needed," said Miller.

ETAN can arrange interviews with East Timorese leaders and other experts on
East Timor. Contact: John M. Miller (718) 596-7668

The East Timor Action Network/U.S. supports genuine self-determination and
human rights for the people of East Timor and democracy in Indonesia.

On December 7, 1975, the Indonesian military brutally invaded East Timor.
The following July, East Timor was illegally "integrated" into Indonesia as
its "27th province." The UN and most of the world's countries do not
recognize this, and the East Timorese reject it. According to human rights
groups and the Catholic Church more than 200,000 people -- one-third of the
pre-invasion population - have been killed by the Indonesian occupation
forces.






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[CTRL] Next Stop: East Timor

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

>From wsws.org

WSWS : News & Analysis : Asia : Indonesia

""An even more strident demand came from the Australian Financial Review,
the country's main business newspaper. Its commentator Brian Toohey declared
the US-NATO bombing of Serbia to be a precedent for an Australian-led UN
mobilisation against Indonesia. ""

""As in Kosovo, the purpose of such an armed intervention will not be to
protect the rights and aspirations of poor villagers, but to secure the
investments and strategic interests of Western big business. ""

Western calls for intervention mount after Timor killings
By Mike Head
20 April 1999

Western governments and media columnists have stepped up calls for military
intervention in East Timor after pro-Indonesian militias killed at least 20
people and abducted dozens more in two days of violence throughout the
provincial capital of Dili last weekend.

Portugal, the former colonial ruler of the territory, was joined by the
Foreign Minister of Ireland, another European Union member, in demanding UN
action, while the United States and Australia expressed alarm about the
developments and indicated support for early UN involvement.

Between 2,000 and 7,000 members of various militia groups rampaged through
Dili, shooting known independence supporters, assaulting refugees from other
towns and burning homes, and businesses of secessionists. According to
eye-witness accounts from refugee agencies, the show of force began with a
rally on Saturday in front of the governor's office. There Eurico Guterres,
the commander of the Aitarak militia urged his followers to "conduct a
cleansing of all those who have betrayed integration. Capture and kill them,
if you need it. I, Eurico Guterres, will be responsible."

Paramilitary groups with assorted names from throughout East Timor attended
the rally, coming from towns and villages such as Atabae, Maliana, Aileu,
Same, Ainaro, Suali, Maubara, Viqueque, Bacau and Lospalos. Also present
were the Governor, Abilio Soares, the military commander, and the police
chief. Aid agencies said some Dili residents were rounded up and forced to
participate.

Gangs armed with rifles, home-made guns and machetes then circled the city,
shooting weapons and seizing vehicles. Among the homes targetted was that of
a prominent businessman and independence supporter, Manuel Carrascalao,
leader of the East Timorese People's Reconciliation and Unity Movement. Some
170 refugees from outlying areas had been sheltering in the house.
Carrascalao's adopted son and others were either shot or hacked, leaving a
likely death toll of 10-15. Many more are missing.

Gangs also ransacked the houses of two other leaders of the umbrella
secessionist movement, the National Resistance Council of Timor
(CNRT)--Leandro Isaac and David Diaz. Likewise, the home of the late Herman
das Dores Soares, the victim of a military shooting last year, was raided.
Militiamen burned the warehouse, kitchen and two cars owned by his family.
Other homes were raided or burned down.

Four truck and van loads of militia members attacked and destroyed the
offices of the local daily Suara Timor Timur (Voice of East Timor). They
smashed up computers, printing machines, archival cabinets, windows and
doors, accusing the paper of being a voice for anti-integration forces.

A number of witnesses, including aid agencies, Western reporters and the
Irish Foreign Minister David Andrews, stated that Indonesian military
commanders and soldiers watched benignly or gave signs of encouragement as
the attacks continued. At times, soldiers waved on the attackers and
provided them with food and water.

Refugee agencies reported similar rallies and violence in other towns and
villages in preceding days, including in Suai, Emera, Maubara, Viqueque and
Maliana. These events followed the previous weekend's massacre of up to 52
people in a churchyard at Liquicia and reports of military shootings
elsewhere.

In the leadup to last weekend's violence, the Indonesian regime currently
headed by B.J. Habibie gave indications of hardening its attitude toward the
prospect of East Timorese independence or autonomy. A spokeswoman for
Habibie said the government took responsibility for the events, but
emphatically ruled out any foreign involvement in East Timor in preparation
for a UN-supervised "act of free choice" on autonomy, due to be held in
July.

According to one report from New York, Jakarta is planning to demand
significant changes to the autonomy package due to be finalised with
Portugal at the UN this week. The changes include a continued Indonesian
armed forces (ABRI) presence, supervision of an East Timor police force by
the Indonesian police, Indonesian control over the territory's natural
resources (notably oil and coffee) and no East Timorese flag, emblems,
colours or sporting teams.

In addition, no details of the proposed voting method on the autonomy plan
have been released, or indeed whether any ballot is to be permi

[CTRL] You've Got (Mail) Trouble!!!

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

>From Int'l Herald Tribune

Paris, Wednesday, April 28, 1999
You've Got Mail! As Divorce Sequels Show, You've Got Trouble!



By Maria Glod Washington Post Service


WASHINGTON - The words flowed without inhibition. In electronic mail he
allegedly wrote to friends, even to strangers, the 37-year-old lawyer
described his sexual trysts, gushed about his partners and agonized over
cheating on his wife.
''Right now I am in New Orleans with a man,'' one message read. ''My wife
thinks I am here for work, but I'm not.

''I met him on-line. He is married, two kids,'' the e-mail said. ''Italian,
muscles like crazy, beautiful face and eyes.

''You must not print this, and delete all files!! It's good to talk it out,
but dangerous.''

Dangerous is right.

Copies of this and other e-mail messages have been filed at Fairfax County
Circuit Court in Virginia, where the lawyer and his now former wife will be
fighting for custody of their children. The ex-wife says she found the
e-mail messages on computer disks stuffed into a drawer; the lawyer says the
messages are forgeries.

Records of electronic communication, a growing factor in corporate cases
such as the high-profile government antitrust suit against Microsoft Corp.,
have begun showing up in divorce and custody proceedings across the United
States.

Electronic infidelity also has become an issue.

One Virginia man, according to court documents, learned that his wife was
having ''cybersex.'' Furthermore, she ''engaged in chats wherein she has
disparaged her husband and her children.''

Some legal scholars say using the messages as a weapon raises questions of
privacy and fairness.

''I think we need to look at e-mail as something that has to be protected,''
said Paul Levinson, a communications professor at Fordham University.
''Historically, the law has always been limping behind the technology.''

For now, clients are marching into their lawyers' offices with printouts
from their home computers. The search for e-mail, said one lawyer, Marna
Tucker, is the modern equivalent of ''looking through the trash can for
discarded notes.''

And if the client does not broach the subject, the lawyer often does.

''I ask them, 'Is your spouse computer-literate?''' Mark Sandground, a
lawyer, said. ''You're going to say things to your e-mail that you wouldn't
say to your priest in confession.''

Glenn Lewis, who heads the domestic-relations section of the Virginia Bar
Association, said that even the most sophisticated husbands and wives have
let down their guard at the keyboard.

''There are people who wouldn't think about leaving an envelope open on
their desk,'' he said, ''yet they leave a computer that has their love
letters or pornography or chat-room talk.''

At its headquarters in Dulles, Virginia, America Online Inc. is served with
a steady stream of subpoenas for subscriber information, often for divorce
cases. AOL, with 17 million customers by far the world's largest base of
e-mailers, usually is able only to produce records showing how much time a
customer spent on-line, a company spokesman said. But the company
occasionally can recover the text of a message or chat-room exchange, said
the spokesman, Rich D'Amato.

AOL officials said that they responded immediately to search warrants in
criminal cases but wait 14 days in civil matters to give their customers
time for a court challenge.

Spouses most often go after electronic records to prove infidelity or to
show that their partner has emotional problems or is simply spending too
much time on-line to be a good parent.

A 48-year-old Tennessee man asked for AOL records to bolster his claims that
his spouse neglected their family. ''The wife does not clean the house
during the day,'' according to his complaint, ''but rather spends her day
shopping, visiting, meeting her paramours or on the computer.''

Lawyers who use e-mail messages in court argue that such evidence is
valuable because, unlike witness testimony, it gives a firsthand record of
the writer's feelings.

But as with most evidence presented in court, there is plenty of room for
challenge. When spouses share a computer, messages can be written under the
one another's names and existing files altered.

Besides checking files stored on a computer, some people monitor on-line
activity through Internet search engines.

Eric Hester, 33, a mortgage banker from San Francisco who wanted more time
with his sons, age 5 and 7, said he searched under his former wife's screen
name for messages she had posted in chat rooms. He looked weekly for four or
five months, he said.

Mr. Hester gave 30 pages of printouts, including one of a divorce-related
discussion in which one of his sons participated, to the mediator in his
custody case. The mediator did not change Mr. Hester's visiting rights but
did re

Re: [CTRL] Amer. Unfit to govern

[DixyYankee]

 -Caveat Lector-

It's a satire originally published by The Onion, a satire publication.

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[CTRL] Fw: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 4/27/99

[Ric Carter]

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- Original Message -
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X DRUDGE REPORT X TUESDAY, APRIL 27, 1999 22:59:08 ET X


COX REPORT BOMBSHELL:  UNCLASSIFIED VERSION SAYS CHINA STOLE 'CROWN JEWELS
OF OUR NUCLEAR ARSENAL'

Coming in a few weeks, The Cox Report.  Running about 700 pages, with 12
chapters and 38 recommendations, the findings of a high-profile
congressional committee's investigation into Chinese spying in America
concludes not only that China stole "the crown jewels of our nuclear
arsenal" during the last 20 years but that the espionage "continues to this
very day."

NY TIMES reporter Jeff Gerth has been fed and moves an exclusive in
Wednesday editions:

"A scientist suspected of spying for China improperly transferred huge
amounts of secret data from a computer system at a government laboratory,
compromising virtually every nuclear weapon in the United States arsenal."

Gerth breaks:  "The data -- millions of lines of computer code that
approximate how this  country's atomic warheads work -- were downloaded
from a computer system at the Los Alamos, N.M., weapons lab that is open
only to those with top-level security clearances... Lee then transferred
the files to a widely accessible computer network at the lab, where they
were stored under other file names."

President Clinton was first told of the development on March 31... MORE

Cox tells Wednesday's LOS ANGELES TIMES that theft of secrets from
America's nuclear weapons laboratories relied on a network of Chinese
agents specifically tasked to help China's military modernization efforts.

"It involves many people, many of whom we have yet to meet," Cox tells the
paper.

Cox says that visits "by hundreds of Chinese scientists and other officials
to the Los Alamos National Laboratory and other nuclear weapons facilities
each year provided a cover for Chinese spy handlers."

But in addition to gathering sensitive information at Los Alamos, spies
working for the People's Republic of China obtained classified U.S. nuclear
weapons information at four other American laboratories, reports Rebecca
Carr in fresh editions of the ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION.

Cox declined to identify the labs.

But even thought the report was unanimously approved by its five Republican
and four Democratic members in late December  -- political fireworks have
now erupted.

Rep. Norm Dicks of Washington, the committee's top-ranking Democrat,
disputes Cox's account.

"We didn't interview any of these spies," he tells reports.


  X X X X X


IN PRESS RELEASES, NBC AND CNN CELEBRATE AUDIENCE SURGE DURING MASSACRE!

Late on Tuesday NBC spokeswoman Barbara Levin broke out the digital
champagne and poured a press release on the wires celebrating
dramatic audience increases for NBC at the height of last week's school
slaughter.

"As the nation focused on the school shooting tragedy in Littleton,
Colorado... NIGHTLY NEWS posted double digit viewer growth in both total
viewers and homes," bragged Levin in a press release issued on AP NEWS
EXPRESS.

MSNBC followed the example and issued its own shocking press release
claiming viewership records had been set during the bloodbath.

"MSNBC's total day households grew an impressive 88% to a .5/259,000,"
declared MSNBC in a press release.

"MSNBC's broadcast of the NEWS WITH BRIAN WILLIAMS rocketed 105%" during
the slaughter.

The press release continued: "MSNBC shattered its previous peak
quarter-hour record, scoring a 4.2/2,018,000 households during John
Gibson's interview with a Columbine High School student."

Not to be out done, Atlanta was also busy celebrating its increased
viewership with a press release that claimed dramatic gains.

"CNN's key demo more than doubles," noted CNN in a release.

Ted Turner's media relations office announced: "On April 20, 1999, the
network's highest-rated day of the year to date, CNN/U.S. posted
total-day increases of 425 percent in rating and 409 percent in delivery,
averaging a 2.1 rating and delivering 1.6 million homes.  The
network's delivery among adults 25-54 also increased by 731 percent..."

...if only the shooting would never end.


  X X X X X


REPORT: KILLER REJECTED BY MARINES DAYS BEFORE SHOOTING; MEDICAL CONDITION
KEPT STUDENT OUT OF CORPS

Columbine High killer Eric Harris had hoped to join the Marines but he was
on psychiatric medication, according to published reports out of Littleton
on Tuesday evening.

Harris was recruited as part of a telephone canvass and did well at a
preliminary interview, but he was nixed after a meeting at his home April
15 -- just days before he went on a wild rampage -- after his parents
"divulged a medical factor."

CAUGHT ON TAPE

Jefferson County Sheriff John Stone now says that a school surveillance
camera captured "the entire carnage" in the cafeteria of last w

Re: [CTRL] Chicago Suburbs to Evit Gang Members?

[Colleen Jones]

 -Caveat Lector-

Well Ric, it was a sad day for the world when the Irish and dogs were
kicked out of the bars.No Irish or Dogs Permitted - I would have
been honored.as they say, a lot of us have been kicked out of better
places than that.

I always liked the one about the Irish building the pyramids.cause
who else could have laid all those bricks?

But worse than that, I always wondered where all the really serious
prejudice originatedGermans are smart, Irish are drunks (well nobody
is perfect), French are lousey lovers, Polish are stupid - who starts
all that stuff..well, look who is conspicuous by their absence.

Colleen

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[CTRL] Opinion: Intersection

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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<>


>From www.originalcources.com

Clinton's Hypocrisy and the American Public's Willingness to be Deceived
An American Indian Looks at the Hypocrisy of Clinton Administration towards
Serbs
By: Mary Mostert, Analyst, Original Sources (http://www.originalsources.com)

April 27, 1999

Someone sent me a copy of an article written by an American Indian who takes
a sharp, critical view of the Clinton Administration's war on Yugoslavia.
And, for all you American Indians out there who are going to ask if I am an
Indian, the answer if "no." I also am not Serbian. I'm just an ordinary
mongrel American who actually believes the principles upon which this nation
was founded.

In fact, I have already written about the Trail of Tears forced ethnic
cleansing of the State of Georgia of Cherokee, Creek and other Indian
tribes. They had even taken their case to the United Supreme Court and WON.
The Court said, "No, Georgia, You can't simply seize Indian Lands and drive
them to Oklahoma. They have rights, too." But another Democrat was president
then, Andrew Jackson, and he told the Court, basically to stuff it. If they
wanted to keep him from driving the Indians off the lands he considered "too
good" for mere Indians, just try it. HE, after all, was commander-in-chief
of the U.S. Army.

And, sadly, the American public not only let Andrew Jackson ethnically
cleanse Georgia, but even re-elected him.


A View from an American Indian Hypocritical is possibly the word best suited
for the American role in the aggressions against the Nation of Yugoslavia.
All the justifications rendered by the Clinton Administration for this
aggression have been and continue to be perpetrated by the United States
Government against its own Native Peoples.

Since the earliest beginning of the United States Government it has sought
to eradicate or assimilate the ethic people of the continent it occupies.
Germ warfare, massacre of women, children and the elderly, forced removal
from Homelands, and sequestering in desolate environments have been U.S.
policy.

The removal of ethnic Albanians is played up by the Americans, forgetting
that it was the United States Government who ordered the forced removal from
the southeastern part of the American continent of the Five Civilized
Nations in what was later to be called The Trail of Tears. American Indian
People forced from their homes with little more than they could carry in
their arms. Forced westward marches with the dead and dying left on the side
of the trails. Execution of any who sought to remain or escape. It should be
further noted that these Nations were guaranteed by Treaty with the United
States Government that their removal would be to lands that would forever be
"sovereign" Indian lands. This held true only until the greed of the
American's found need for this land.

It was the practices of genocide and ethnic cleansing of the American
Government against the occupants of Its lands that so inspired Adolf Hitler
in his designs for what became known as the Holocaust of World War II, and
in light of the amount of Native People infected, starved and massacred by
the United States Government, the actions of the Third Reich should be
viewed as little more than a minor copy cat venture.

The Nations of the world stand by in fear, as if frightened by a large
serpent and the threat of its fangs, as the American aggressions continue,
forgetting that in time even they will be challenged to withdraw their
sovereign rights or be attacked.

Just as the Roman, Spanish, and British Empires before it, the United States
Empire has grown in military and monetary strengths to the point that it has
placed itself in the position of making the Nations of the World it's
subjects. All the Empires before it continued to consume the rights of
others until enough courage was borne in them to stand up to the
aggressions. Even the American Empire had its beginning by standing against
what was then the greatest Empire in the World. And Its victory was only
achieved only with the aid of others tired of that Empire.

Much of what dictates the world economy today is based on the American
monetary standard. The United States has financial interests in practically
every Nation of the world. So much so that even the threat of the removal of
Its foreign aid to them will cause a dissenting Nation to back down. It
should be remembered that the American hold on such matters will remain only
so long as its position of World dominance remains. And this dominance can
only be neutralized by substantial resistance by other Nations.

The United States policies of forcing Nations to adhere to her rule have
only served to tear down and weaken those Nations who have succumbed to it.
Financial crisis, increased organized crime and overall discontent have been
the only blessings the populations of these Nations have seen as a result of
adapting to American standards.

The United States Government conceals its aggressions un

[CTRL] Kosovo War, planned?

[Bill Richer]

 -Caveat Lector-

THE FOLLOWING new world order INTELLIGENCE UPDATE WAS WRITTEN ON MAY 16,
1998 and refers to the 1996 and 1998 Bilderberg Meetings and Kosovo...

(This is me speaking, btw, in these next three paragraphs.)

The first time I ever heard the word "Kosovo" was over two years ago in the
reports which forecast how the Bilderbergers hoped to bring about a
debilitating war of attrition in the heart of Europe with tendrils eventual
spreading towards Russia, Syria and Israel.  No doubt, in the interim,
Bilderberger agents provocateurs have been working full time on all sides to
foment the present war.  The following is about the 1998 Bilderberg-creep
meeting with references to the 1996 meeting.

These creeps are hoping this war will spread into Greece, Cyprus, Turkey,
Bulgaria, RUSSIA, and finally, involve the US in their nwo malevolence.
Lucifer must have some magnificent palaces all ready for these heroes of
hell-creeps when they shed their mortal coils - and I do mean coils, as in
snakes...  Sky dragons?  Dracs?  And what is the traditional symbol of China?
 The dragon.  Remember, Albania is and always has been a Red Chinese puppet
and a drug conduit to the west via the KLA for drugs from China and SE Asia
Since what the nwo Intelligence Update's 1996 report said was going to happen
has now come to pass in Kosovo in 1999, I re-read the following with great
pause because of what it may foreshadow for the entire region (Greece and
Turkey and Cyprus) and for Russia and the Middle East and the US.  The
Bilderberg-made storm clouds are gathering!  I am so awestruck by the level
of deceit and evil these nwo manipulators are into that I cannot say another
word.
Brad

"The Coming Kosovo War, Greece, Turkey, And Cyprus...

"In our June, 1996, Special Report on the Bilderbergers, the New World
Order Intelligence Update warned that the globalist elite had planned a
Balkans war which would become the "Vietnam of the '90's"; and that, if
they could not get such a war going by inflaming the Serbs through the
use of NATO "snatch squads" to seize suspected war criminals for trial
at the Hague, their plan was to use Kosovo as the flashpoint to ignite a
regional conflict which would ultimately embroil the Yugoslav
federation, Bosnia, Russia, Greece, Turkey, Albania, Macedonia, the
Western European military powers, the United States, and by extension -
as allies of Turkey and Greece - Israel and Syria. Now, from virtually
nowhere, the well-financed Kosovan Liberation Army has sprung into the
limelight and the scene is being set for a Balkan war of unbelievable
carnage and merciless hostility.

"We further warned that, if the war in Kosovo took too long to engineer
or eluded the elite altogether, then their fall-back plan was to create
a vicious conflict between Turkey and Greece over Cyprus, and to push
the war back into the Balkans area from there."


1998 BILDERBERG MEETING ENDS

WAR PLANNED ON CYPRUS IF KOSOVO CRISIS STALLED

EUROPEAN-ATLANTIC UNION EYED AS NEXT STEP IN GLOBALISM

TRUCULENT JAPAN CAUSING CONCERN REGARDING PLANNED ASIAN UNION

[Copyright (c) 1998, New World Order Intelligence Update. This article
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TORONTO, 16th May, 1998

The 1998 meeting of the secretive and immensely-powerful Bilderberg
Group closes tomorrow at the luxurious Turnberry Hotel in Ayrshire,
Scotland. The 120 or so Bilderbergers, who normally converge at their
pre-selected venue with as much secrecy as possible, had hoped that
their selection for the May 14th - 17th conference this year, 15 miles
south of Ayr and a quarter of a mile away from the A77 trunk road to
Glasgow, would - together with armed and black-clad police at the the
property entrance and around the perimeter - guarantee their
previously-inviolate privacy.

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[CTRL] Fw: NATO Gridlock

[Ric Carter]

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Subject: Weekly Analysis -- April 26, 1999


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STRATFOR's
Global Intelligence Update
April 26, 1999

Weekly Analysis -- NATO Summit Generates Gridlock

Summary:

With the war in Kosovo going badly, the attendees at the NATO
summit decided not to think about the problem.  They decided
neither to change the war plan nor to initiate a radical
diplomatic solution.  NATO's decision not to rethink its policy
derives from the institutional structure of NATO.  It was not
designed to think on its feet.  It also leaves the solution to
the war, whether through war or through diplomacy, in the hands
of nation-states like the United States and Germany.   What
Kosovo has demonstrated is the vitality of nationalism, the
nation-state, and ultimately, the sovereign nation.  Dreams of
multilateral solutions to international conflicts are dying a
nasty death over Yugoslavia.  The United States will agree to
peace in large part because NATO didn't work.

Analysis:

What has emerged from the NATO summit concerning Kosovo is pure
gridlock.  Three basic decisions were made: first, there will not
be a ground war; second, there will not be a major redefinition
of negotiating terms; and, third, there will be an intensified
air war.   Having bluffed and been called, NATO, rather than
reshuffling the deck, has decided to keep pushing in money,
hoping that Milosevic will eventually fold his hand.

The only new element to emerge is an agreement to embargo oil
shipments to Yugoslavia.  That decision in itself was shocking.
Consider the extraordinary fact that NATO even considered going
to war with Serbia without having established a blockade.  That
absurdity was compounded when it looked for a few days like NATO
could not generate unanimity on the subject of a blockade.  After
intense diplomacy, everyone fell into line.  Finally, NATO
countries like Hungary will make the major concession of agreeing
not to ship oil to Serbia.  What is shocking is that this should
have even required discussion.

Equally shocking was what was not discussed: what to do if the
Russians, the Chinese, or, for that matter, any country decides
to deliver oil.  NATO has decided to board and inspect all ships.
What does NATO plan to do if the Russians decline to be boarded?
Will NATO use force against Russian ships?  Chinese ships?  It is
not the decision that is shocking, nor the thought that ships
will be boarded.  What is shocking is that NATO has given very
little thought to how these policies will be implemented by the
Lt. Commanders who will be called upon to enforce them in split
second decisions.

The issue here isn't thoughtful or thoughtless policymaking.  The
issue here is far more serious: whether NATO at fifty is
institutionally capable of managing a military crisis.  For the
past month, what we have seen are individual NATO members trying
to use the machinery and legitimacy of NATO to formulate and
execute a war-fighting strategy.  A strategy, by definition,
requires flexibility, comprehensiveness and the effective
generation of options in the face of unexpected or unpleasant
events.  NATO has shown itself to be inflexible, unable to
provide a comprehensive approach to the war, and unable to face
and respond to unexpected events and painful truths.  NATO, as an
institution, is in deep denial.  This is not to say that the NATO
officials and its military officers are in denial.  They are
painfully aware of the deep problems they are facing.  The denial
is being generated by the institution itself.

What is now obvious is that there will not be an institutional
solution to the crisis.  By this we mean that NATO, as an
institution, which involves decisions by nineteen governments and
operates on the bases of consensus, cannot generate a vision for
either winning or concluding the war.  NATO can neither shift its
military strategy nor diplomatic strategy without losing the
consensus its decision-making is predicated upon.  Therefore,
NATO is locked in to the existing policy that isn't working
because flexibility has become impossible.  If the United States
were to stage a fight for a ground option, or Italy a fight for
acceptance of Russian proposals, the entire political edifice of
NATO would buckle.  It is easier to evade problems than to face
them.

It is important to understand how NATO went from being a solid
bulwark against the Soviets into a herd of cats, unable to make
any definitive decisions.  The problem is rooted in the very
nature of the institution.  NATO's decision making structure was
designed for a world in which major decisions were locked in by
history and ratified by doct

[CTRL] Possibly a new Clinton Appointee

[Bill Richer]

 -Caveat Lector-

Stern Under Fire for Colo. Comments


 DENVER (AP) — Howard Stern and a local radio station that syndicates his
 show have drawn criticism over the shock jock's comments on the
 Columbine High School massacre.

 Stern was quoted by the Rocky Mountain News as saying that some of the
 girls fleeing from the April 20 shooting were ``really good-looking'' and
 wondered on the air whether the suicide gunmen tried ``to have sex with
 any of the good-looking girls.''

 ``At least if you're going to kill yourself and kill all the kids, why
wouldn't
 you have some sex?'' Stern asked, according to the newspaper.

 The show can be heard locally on KXPK-FM, a rock music station.

 ``Let Howard Stern make his millions in other broadcast markets,'' the
 News said in an editorial Monday. ``He does not belong in Denver.''

 Stern was unavailable for comment. A message left with his agent wasn't
 returned.

 But KXPK general manager Bob Visotcky said he spoke with Stern on
 Monday for 20 minutes and reported that Stern ``feels that his comments
 were taken out of context.''

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[CTRL] Letter

[Colleen Jones]

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A day or two ago I sent out a letter about the death of my sister in
response to another letter.too late, I realized it went out on the
list and some of the information contained therein was personal.

I regret this very much - you have probably forgotten it by now.  Let me
apologize for this even though it was something that I wanted to say to
this individual about 911...
Colleen

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