[CTRL] 70% of doctors polled think government is too involved in their practice of medicine
-Caveat Lector- http://www.pslresearch.com/quest-hab/1/Quest.asp http://www.docguide.com/ Here is what your colleagues have said to: "Are governments too involved in how physicians practice medicine?" 70% Yes 30% No Thank you for your interest and sharing your opinion with us! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Stopping Trucks for Bush - 18 December
-Caveat Lector- http://www.sierratimes.com/truckstop2k.htm CALLING ALL TRUCKERS ! TRUCK STOP 2000 December 18th: Bush - or America Shuts Down! Truckers! Don't let them Steal the Election from us! If you believe the election is being stolen from us, let your voice be heard. On December 18th, if our candidate is cheated out of the election, we are asking you to join our protest. They are waging a political war against us, because they think we can't and won't fight back. This time, we must prove them wrong! You got their attention over the "8-hour" ruling in November. It's time to get their attention, again! SierraTimes.com is asking that you show your support by running your headlights during the day, and if the election is stolen from us on December 18th, we ask that you let your rigs be silent. We know this is a lot to ask, but if you believe in stopping the madness of this election - join us - we will stand with you. We are urging others to call in sick on the 18th with the "red flu." We are not asking you to convoy or break the law. If you cannot stop driving, take a detour through the city that day - and everyday until we win! We need your support! Remember - Ten truckers who speak out wield more power than 10,000 who say nothing! Pass the word - get on Channel 19 and get all the truckers you can to join this protest! This is the Official Flyer of SierraTimes.com and is not affiliated with any political campaign or organization. This flyer can be found and verified at http://www.sierratimes.com/truckstop2k.htm. SierraTimes.com assumes no responsibility for flyers that do not match the information on the above web site address. An Internet Publication for Real Americans P.O. Box 3000 #204, Pahrump, NV 89060 © 2000 SierraTimes.com - All Rights Reserved A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Some dare call it treason
-Caveat Lector- The National Security Website This site is an independent investigation on national security violations, intelligence community reports, military readiness, Congressional Reports on national security, campaign finance violations, Executive Orders, Nuclear weapons facilities, Panama Canal, etc. Everything on this site has been verified and also contains the sources of the information for you to check yourself. http://www.rpaznsw.com/index.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Poisoning our young
-Caveat Lector- http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1027000/1027852.stm BBC News Online: Health Monday, 20 November, 2000, 00:03 GMT GPs 'give children unproven doses' GPs are prescribing a significant number of drugs to children in doses that have not been officially approved for use, according to research. Researchers found that the practice of prescribing drugs to children that are outside the terms of the product licence or not specified on the label (off-label) is widespread among GPs. There is evidence to suggest that adverse drug reactions among children in hospital are higher for off label and unlicensed drugs. Children deserve the same rights and benefits as adults Dr John McIntyre, University of Nottingham The research team examined the prescribing records for 1997 for one suburban general practice in the Midlands. Children up to the age of 12 represented one-fifth of this practice's list. Around two-thirds of them were given at least one prescription during the year. The practice records showed there were almost 3,500 prescriptions for almost 1,200 children involving 160 different drugs. Some 84% of the drugs had been prescribed for licensed medicines within the terms of the product licence. Less than half of one per cent were for unlicensed medicines, but one in 10 were for off label licensed medicines. Almost all of these involved using dosages that were not recommended on the label. By far the most frequently prescribed off label drugs were antibiotics. Other off-label drugs included anti-asthmatic medications, creams, and antihistamines. GPs not to blame The authors stress that GPs are not to blame for the current situation. Instead, say the authors, they are victims of inadequate product licence information which recommends, for example, that the same dose of a commonly prescribed antibiotic should be given to a new-born and a 10-year-old. Licensing, say the authors, is unable to keep abreast of current practice and there is no system to monitor and co-ordinate the information. There is also little incentive for the pharmaceutical industry to carry out research on drugs that are already licensed, and funding for research into the way medicines are used in children is not considered a high priority. However, they go on to say: "It is essential that the regulatory framework ensures medicines in children are safe, effective, and of high quality." Lead researcher Dr John McIntyre, from the University of Nottingham, said research had found that adverse reactions to drugs among children occurred in 6% of unlicensed or off-label medicines, compared with 3.9% of licensed prescriptions. He stressed that these figures could not be directly extrapolated to drugs prescribed by GPs. However, he told BBC News Online: "The current position is unacceptable. "The licensing framework is there to ensure patients receive safe, effective, high quality drugs - children deserve the same rights and benefits as adults." Drug company response Richard Ley, a spokesman for the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry, said that more could be done to improve testing of drugs on children, and said his organisation was negotiating to get international agreement on a more satisfactory system. However, he told BBC News Online: "The situation is not as bad as the headline would suggest. "Clinicians who deal with children are not blind guessing about drugs, they have a huge body of knowledge and shared experience of these medications and they know what they are doing." Mr Ley said it was difficult to carry out trials of drugs on children because few volunteers could be found. "If you ask a parent if they want their child to take a medication that has not previously been tested on children, they say no. "Anyone who is a parent understands that reaction, but clearly it makes it difficult to find volunteers to take part in trials." The research is published in the journal Archives of Disease in Childhood. © BBC === http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1028000/1028364.stm BBC News Online: Health Monday, 20 November, 2000, 00:15 GMT Parents 'not told of drug errors' Almost half the parents whose children received the wrong medication after hospital mistakes were never informed of the error, research has found. The survey, covering five years of work at a paediatric teaching hospital in Scotland, revealed fewer mistakes than expected. But the level of secrecy surrounding the blunders did surprise the researchers. The medical profession in the UK has come rather late to admitting openly that adverse medical incidents including medication errors are an important problem Royal Hospital for Sick Children The study was carried out at the Royal Hospital for Sick Children in Glasgow - one of the UK's leading specialist centres for children and babies requiring complex and risky treatment. It found that one mistake occurred for every
Re: [CTRL] Bible codes
-Caveat Lector- Well Tenorlove - when I first got started on this in 1968 I called it a communication system, for with this you can communicate in any language in the workd, nearly.at Spandau the Russians knew to take it from Baron von Shirach.this is what I looved for when Speer's diary came out. This was the beginning essentially of the real cold war and the Russians did not like Americans thawing towards Germany. Speer when released wrote the diary back in period when Nixon was released and the first thing I looked for was any reference to bible codethe Russians knew what it was. So how did Manson communicate to Squaky Fromm or whatever her name was - Little Red Riding Hood who had a gun misfire or Ford would have been the "late Gerald Ford".. This is special code/communicatin and one can take it literally or figuratively - as moe Dalitz or Meyr Lansky or John Gotti would say upon issuing a threat - get the picture? This guy who wrote book The Bible Code was a fraud - think you will find upper echelon, Alfalfa Club stuff in news media know what it is. My MI6 friend knew what it was but had never see it before. So regular tower of babel? Anyone who says bible not coded - well let us say Joshua 2, go climb Mt. Nebo... Saba A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's version
-Caveat Lector- Well in one movie Jumping Jack Flash, she was cute...and funny and when she smiled you had to like her. Most movie stars are used as propaganda tools, and there are books she has written on her life. Still have to wonderwhat surprised me she knew when certain stocks on Wall Street fell, there had been a big drug bustbig ship Rio was busted and this is when I realized what was happening. Most movie stars are paid a lot of money to propagate a cause . so take Arnold Schwartznegger or whatever - and I mean take him with Sheen, Steisand and this othre bunch - liked Martin Sheen but Charlie and Schwartznegger - all started smoking cigars at the same time and Arnold had heart attack? Almost became body bag county? Maria must have had a big mouth. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] DOE 'openness' webpages- radiation experiments
-Caveat Lector- http://tis.eh.doe.gov/ohre/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] U.S. Urged to Create New Space-Spying Office
-Caveat Lector- http://www.space.com/news/spysat_office_001115.html U.S. Urged to Create New Space-Spying Office By Tabassum Zakaria posted: 11:47 am ET 15 November 2000 WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- A U.S. commission on Tuesday recommended creating an office cloaked in secrecy to pursue innovative technology for spying from space, saying the existing agency was not sufficiently clandestine for the task. The National Commission for the Review of the National Reconnaissance Office said the NRO, the agency that designs, builds and operates U.S. spy satellites, had lost some of its luster since the end of the Cold War due to inadequate funding and declining attention from the president, secretary of defense and CIA director. The commission, established by Congress in legislation that went into effect in December 1999, warned that if current trends continued the NRO might lose its edge in providing the nation its ''eyes and ears" for monitoring the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and tracking international "terrorists." "Without bold and sustained leadership, the United States could find itself 'deaf and blind' and increasingly vulnerable to any of the potentially devastating threats it may face in the next ten to twenty years,'' the report said. Rep. Porter Goss, a Florida Republican, and Sen. Bob Kerrey, a Nebraska Democrat, served as co-chairmen of the 11-member bipartisan commission. The panel did not recommend abolishing the NRO, but said the agency had "become a publicly acknowledged organization that openly announces many of its new program initiatives," which in turn hindered its ability to tackle intelligence problems. The commission recommended creating a new Office of Space Reconnaissance to work on super-secret projects to gain technological advantage in space-related spying. Boldness and risk-taking urged "Evolution is continuously moving forward in technology, and I think that those things should be done very discreetly and with boldness and risk-taking. And we need to create a mechanism that can allow those things to happen,'' Goss, chairman of the U.S. House of Representatives Intelligence Committee, told Reuters. "There are so many new things on the horizon that have such promise and they need to be pursued, but they need to be pursued in a way that we don't give the advantage to others of knowing about them, or sharing some of the things we've learned," Goss added. The National Reconnaissance Office, which marked its 40th anniversary this year, has evolved away from its original mission "to go out and do things that had never been dreamed of before, and we need that," Goss said. It also used to be given the highest level attention from the president and top U.S. officials, the congressman added. "It's been taken for granted and it's lost some of its punch,'' Goss said of the NRO. "We need to get on to the next generation,'' he added. Budget constraints have delayed modernization while the proliferation of commercial imaging technologies has provided U.S adversaries with "unprecedented insight within our national borders, as well as into our overseas activities,'' the commission's report said. "Equally problematic, widespread knowledge of the NRO's existence and public speculation on how NRO satellites are used has aided terrorists and other potential adversaries in developing techniques of denial and deception to thwart U.S. intelligence efforts,'' the report added. In addition, other technologies such as fiber-optic communications "render certain NRO capabilities obsolete,'' the report said. The report warned that the agency's resources were being stretched "and the result is a prescription for a potentially significant intelligence failure.'' The NRO is overseen by the Defense Department and the CIA director. An NRO spokesman said the commission's recommendations were "valuable" and the agency would look at them. The CIA declined comment. ©2000 SPACE.com, inc. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. == CORONA: Celebrating 40 Years of Spy Satellites 6 September 2000 WASHINGTON -- Forty years ago last month, a top-secret U.S. spy satellite code-named CORONA snapped a series of grainy, black-and-white photographs of selected missile sites in the Soviet Union. story: http://www.space.com/news/spacehistory/nro_at_forty_000926.html === Classified Satellites Uncovered by Souvenir Mission Patch 31 August 2000 (collectSPACE) -- When a Titan 4B launched Thursday, August 17 from Vandenberg Air Force Base, the Air Force wasnt very forthcoming about what the rocket was carrying. Citing national security, the payload was only identified as the responsibility of the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO). story: http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/missions/spypatch_000831.html Analysts Expect Spy Satellite Number to Increase 13 September 1999
[CTRL] DOE Site For Victims Of Human Radiation Experiments
http://tis.eh.doe.gov/ohre/ The Office of Human Radiation Experiments, established in March 1994, leads the Department of Energy's efforts to tell the agency's Cold War story of radiation research using human subjects. We have undertaken an intensive effort to identify and catalog relevant historical documents from DOE's 3.2 million cubic feet of records scattered across the country. Internet access to these resources is a key part of making DOE more open and responsive to the American public.
[CTRL] Stalked Homeless Pair Seeks Advocates/Assistance
-Caveat Lector- Hi. I am currently homeless in Santa Rosa. Recently, an individual has been stalking a friend of mine and I. My friend is currently hidden but could use some more contacts. We are going to work on getting a restraining order but are still in fear because if he can find us at night [his skill as a stalker has been demonstrated, i.e. he seems to be able to find us rather easily] there may be no time or opportunity to call police for enforcement of such. I am writing this mainly to alert people to his presence and the danger he presents. I also would really appreciate any contacts regarding safe houses and am hoping someone will help me take a picture of him to alert others. We already know to go to police and intend to but we hope to also hear from agencies that advocate legally for homeless people and/or women. We wish to assure some legal clout for ourselves becaue there is a RUMOR that this man is a police informant. It WOULD explain why he seems immune to police at this time. The stalker is known as Robert [with a possible last name of McCarthy] and goes as well as Assad. He is a black male, roughly forty years of age, about 5'8" and slim build. He has a black goatee but could easily have removed it by now as he seems aware that I am spreading the message about him far and wide. As such, I personally do not feel safe since he knows the location of many of the encampments I have used and DOES visit the armory - did last night. The man uses massive amounts of methamphetamine [was the other night] and has claimed to be armed. Other reports from friends of mine indicate that as well. He is NOT stable and consider him dangerous. I have witnessed him assault a nineteen year old homeless girl, have heard him issue threats of shooting myself and any other that stand in his way. The other night I wound up in a motel room with him - I stayed solely to protect my friend since he refused to leave. He kept his hand inside his duffel bag most of the time, leading me to believe he was holding a gun. I felt that if I ORDERED him out of the room or tried to physically remove him or that if I attempted to use the phone in the room that it could lead to gunfire. So I left and called the police. I saw him the next morning so it was obvious that he had not been caught with a firearm or the drugs that I saw. He was escorted out of the room but it would appear either he was not searched or that somehow the officers did not find any of the items in question. I am told by someone that knows him well that he has a penchant for young white girls. It is not ME, by the way, that has introduced the race element - that is the way that HE thinks, apparently. He also seems to know no age barriers. I witnessed him trying to "pick up" on a thirteen year old girl. As I said the girl in question is hiding and since he has, seemingly, followed ME to find HER in the past, she has kept her location secret even from me. I do expect a phone call to be relayed to me soon, however so we can be said to still be in contact with each other. I am forwarding this far and wide to elicit as much protection as possible for two people who, right now, have none. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bible codes...
-Caveat Lector- Blessings, Tsadowq, You are absolutely right! The Gematria is very ancient! Throwing out today's use of Bible Codes is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater! Scoffers need to take another look at the SCIENCE behind what they believe are frauds. Dr. Deborah - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bible codes... -Caveat Lector- Hello everyone, In a message dated 11/20/2000 5:21:26 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible codes were debunked a few years ago by more than a few Bible and code experts. As I said in a previous CTRL thread on this subject, I am not a big fan of using ELS to prophecy. I believe that the examples given by Drosnin were purposely weak -- the strawman set up to be knocked down so that scoffers and unbelievers alike would feel they have solid ground to stand on. It is much easier for these weak minds to simply dismiss ALL possibilities of the Bible having a Divine Origin. Afterall, some amazing code in the Bible would seriously challenge the unbeliever and skeptic. Nonetheless, Gematria; Temura; Notarikon; etc.; fall under a completely different category (and practice) of mathematical codes and permutations. In a message dated 11/20/2000 7:48:26 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When the Drosnin book first came out, PAX TV network did a show on Bible Codes. Not only did they find JFK and Jesus in the codes, one of the detractors also found a code that read: DROSNIN IS A FRAUD. With hard work and creativity, there is a code for everything. My previous statements on ELS apply here as well. Disconcerting it is, how well the Drosnin ploy worked... This fact is easily observed from the gaggles of cyber-know-it-alls who feel secure in their pseudo- intelligence gained by perusing a few web pages which wrestled with ELS Bible codes. Suddenly, these people rise up to presumptively and authoritively tell us that because they read it some where on the web, there is no such thing as ANY Bible code. Well...wake up to history, boneheads. The recognition of Gematria is as old as the first scribes/priests who first began recopying the MSS. How amusing it is to me, that some people believe they can dismiss such an ancient form of mathematics...all because they feel full of knowledge after taking the time to read four whole pages in a magazine or off of some website. Tsadowq A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Commentary to Bill and Amelia
Thank you William, I have not formally diagnosed anyone. I did at no time state:"my diagnosis is..." I used phrases like "it appears". As for personal attacks and slander, I doubt you could say that I am formally the "piss ant" that she claims. Dr. Deborah - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Commentary to Bill and Amelia In a message dated 11/20/00 8:26:19 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IF I were in Aleisha's shoes, I'd be speaking to a lawyer about possible legal action against Deborah. Unsolicited medical diagnosis, slander, etc. Can Deborah prove Aleisha's alleged psychosis?This is a mailing list...OPINIONS are spouted...aren't you and your pals overreacting here??? Since when is "unsolicited medical diagnosis" actionable?? And where is the "slander"??/ And since "Aliesha" isn't her real name the whole thing just falls apart... Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's version
-Caveat Lector- Blessings, June, You make some excellent points. This is the Conspiracy Theory RESEARCH List. When I signed up for it, I was assuming that, along with some commentary, I could get some information I could use in my writings. Nothing Aleisha has said about this "code" can be used to document a footnote. If I were to take her information, and write for a news article, folks would probably laugh. I do enjoy the other more newsworthy articles. The ones with real sources that can be easily traced. Those are the ones I can write on. Dr. Deborah - Original Message - From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's version -Caveat Lector- From: "Deborah Greenhill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] And I would like to see which particular Bible passages she refers to, because I do have a Bible Codes Program and can look them up to see if it is just something that somebody is passing as fact that has no truth in it. What Aleisha claims to have is something other than the recent "Bible Codes" thing...she's claiming hers goes back at least to the 1950s, and she hints at a far older pedigree for it... Suffice it to say, what she is talking about has nothing to do with the other "Bible Code", and so can not be 'proven' by it. Supposedly in her 'system', various passages are keyed to a calendar date, on which a certain event will occur. But she conveniently doesn't offer us anything ELSE by which to prove its supposed accuracy, only repeats claims for historical events it supposedly predicted. And since she is either unwilling or unable to provide even ONE prediction for the future from this supposedly accurate tome, it is unclear what she is seeking to accomplish via endlessly wasting bandwidth with her unsubstantiated claims... One would think it would be easy enough for her to post this supposed calendar-code to this list, or to a website, whereby we all could assess it for ourselves...she could do a month at a time. How about it, Aleisha? Why not give us the 'codes' for, say, this coming January? June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Goldberg's thyroid
-Caveat Lector- Blessings, June, You are correct, hypothyroid generally follows this body type. A person can be hypothyroid for a period of time before evidencing symptoms that require medication. The use of blood testing for hypothyroid is fraught with error, since a normal reading can still be an indicator for medication. In other words, a person can show normal blood values, but symptoms present that indicate medication (Synthroid, Armour, etc.) anyway. Mary Shomon does an excellent website on this issue. Please see her website http://thyroid.about.com Dr. Deborah - Original Message - From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Help needed for Streisand, Sheen, Saradon, Goldberg, Baldwin -Caveat Lector- From: "Deborah Greenhill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blessings, And the tiny legs and large torso Aleisha comments on, are actually indications of thyroid disorder. There are three body types: edomorphic, mesomorpic and ectomorphic. I would say by looking at Whoopi that she is an ectomorph, which textbook reports that these types of body structures have problems with diabetes and thyroid functions. To clarify matters, would the thyroid disorder be hyperthyroidism or hypothyroidism? In my experience, hypothyroidism tends to manifest in endomorphic types. Goldberg doesn't impress me as a hypothyroid type, so I'd lean towards a possibility of a hyperthyroid disorder... I haven't heard or read anything regarding Goldberg possibly having diabetes. I know Mary Tyler Moore suffers from that disorder... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] My Credentials
-Caveat Lector- I have a small general practice on the island of Pohnpei in the Federated States of Micronesia. I am a veteran of Navy Hospital Unit 119 under Operation Desert Shield/Storm. I am also studying via extension university for my Ph D. at Jubilee Christian College. Academic Dean is Dr. Douglas Wheeler of Mended Wings Ministries. Since you have been so rude as to call me a quack before you even find out my credentials, that is all the information you are getting from me. Dr. Deborah J. Greenhill - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Commentary to Bill and Amelia -Caveat Lector- One thing I noted, the Doctor is good at quoting scripture maybe and medical books - but anything original she would have a time with, no doubt. Second when she signed her name Dr. Deborah Greenhill...I suspect a phoney because what kind of doctor? A Vet? A self orained minister? Doubt Ph.D...so let her put her pedigree Deborah Greenhill, doctor of So Dr. Quack is expert using other people's knowledge?But really I do not care, for suddenly out of nowhere pops up another quack. I will take Fang Wang for he is REAL Ph.Dand has credentials and brain of his own. He also has a dream an ideas for the future which are original. Saba Wonder - practicing l medicine without a license maybe?Only psychiatrists can deal in medications.] So just another Quack ... A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DIVERSION 2000: Undecided, undemocratic, ... unbelievable!
-Caveat Lector- While we support calls for the abolition of the Electoral College as a democratic reform, we do not see these kinds of changes as any real advance for the working class. This conflict, if it continues in any meaningful way, will inevitably draw the working class into action. Marxists must intersect this movement and win it over to a fundamentally different perspective. The building of a workers' party, a party that will represent the interests of the working class and will mobilize our class in defense of these interests, is a vital task today. When Marxists criticise what America calls "democracy," three words come to mind immediately: "pot," "kettle" and "black." A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: UNITED KINGDOM - Why Not Use the Yugoslav Election Solution?
- Original Message - From: TiM Publisher To: TiM GW Bulletins Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 11:50 PM Subject: UPDATE to... TiM Readers' Forum - November 2000 - Part I (TiM GW Bulletin 2000/11-3, Nov. 13, 2000) FROM WASHINGTON, DCHere is an UPDATE to the latest TiM Readers Forum - Why Not Use the Yugoslav Election "Solution?" To read the latest update and all of the above stories, just click (or double-click, depending on your computer) on the following Web address, and you'll be able to see it in full color, along with accompanying images: http://www.truthinmedia.org/Bulletins2000/tim2000-11-3(Nov).html -UNITED KINGDOM - Why Not Use the Yugoslav Election "Solution?" LONDON, England, Nov. 13 - We received the following comment from a TiM reader in Britain who asked to remain anonymous (except for the initials - M.L.), but whose identity is known to TiM. His satirical "solution" is based on what actually happened in Yugoslavia on October 5 and thereafter (see "Serb Ostrich Revolution Was Anything But Spontaneous," and "Fifth Column, Nor 'Revolutionaries,' Toppled Milosevic"): "The solution (for the U.S. election quandary) is right there, before one's very nose! Here it goes... 1) Conjure up an angry mob consisting of unemployed workers, discharged military personnel (preferably Vietnam vets), off-duty policemen and baseball fans led by a Mayor of a small Midwest town. Assemble them all in a column of all sorts of vehicles but remember bulldozers are a must. March straight to Washington, dispersing of all police blockades and checkpoints on the way. 2) Upon arriving at D.C. storm Capitol Hill, take anything that can be taken out and torch the Congress. Do the same to the buildings of all major TV and Radio Networks. Don't forget to loot the Smithsonian of all it's artifacts as well as all the shop windows in downtown D.C. 3) Take at gunpoint all state-owned companies and institutions like U.S. Customs and the Federal Reserve Bank, and take all valuables you can with you. Proclaim a Crisis Committee that will say it has all the authority and of course do the same on the local level, regardless of the election results. 4) Smash all local HQs of your political opponents and beat up the opposition Congressmen and Senators. This is a scenario guaranteed to succeed, having been tested in various countries and conditions. It goes without saying, of course that the financing of this enterprise comes from Russian- and Chinese-based non-government organizations." M.L., United Kingdom-
[CTRL] Campaign to Stop Beheading of Prostitutes
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: International Campaign for Children's Rights [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 Subject: Bloody Cleansing of Prostitutes Contact: Soraya Shahabi Mailing address: Children First PO Box 663 STN.P Toronto, Ontario M5S 2Y4, Canada Tel: 1-416-434 1545 Fax: 1-781-735 8359 Join Our Campaign to Stop Beheading of Prostitutes by Iraqi Government! Iraqi Regime has launched a campaign against prostitutes in different cities of Iraq by beheading them and putting their heads in their door's footstep. 80 women have been beheaded till now. This horrific crime is the beginning of an anti- women attack by the government in Iraq. To stop this bloody cleansing of women prostitutes, The Middle Eastern Centre for Women Studies, The Kurdish Refugee Women organisation and women rights activists from the Middle East countries have launched a campaign. A press conference will be held on November 17, 2-5 PM, at Conway Hall, Red Lion Square, London WC1. Journalist and media interested in this issue are invited We call women rights organisations, human rights and progressive organisations to join our campaign in the defense of women prostitutes in Iraq. Campaign to stop beheading of prostitutes in Iraq Nov. 8, 2000 For sending your support letters and more information, please contact us by: 55 Nigel Road Peckham London SE15 4Np Tel: +44(0) 788 4040 835 Tel/Fax: +44 20-7732 2059 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Following is the list of Iraqi embassies abroad, please Email/fax your protest letters to one or more of the addresses below. Iraqi's Embassies: THE PERMANENT MISSION OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ TO THE UNITED NATIONS - UN HEAD OF MISSION: MR. SAEED AL-MUSAWEE ADDRESS: 14 EAST 79 STREET, NEW YORK, N.Y. 10021 / USA TELEPHONE NO. 212-7374433 FAX NO: 212-7721794 EMBASSY OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ - AUSTRALIA HEAD OF MISSION: MR. NATEEK ALI RADI ADDRESS: 48 CULGOA CIRCUIT MALLEY A.C.T 2606 - AUSTRALIA TELEPHONE NO:(02)-62861333 FAX NO: (02)-62901788 EMBASSY OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ- BULGARIA HEAD OF MISSION: MR. HASSAN MAGEED AL-SAFAR ADDRESS: 21-23 ANTON TCHEKHOV STR. 1113 SOFIA TELEPHONE NO: 9733348 FAX NO: 9711197 TELEX NO: 22307 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE PERMANENT MISSION OF IRAQ TO THE LEAGUE OF ARAB STATES - EGYPT HEAD OF MISSION: MR. SULTAN ABDUL KADEER ADDRESS: 9 MOHAMMED MODHEER STR. ZAMALEK - CAYRO TELEPHONE NO: 3408087 / 3412442. FAX NO: 3415075 IRAQI INTERESTS SECTION - EGYPT HEAD OF MISSION: MR.HUMAM HASHEM AL-ALUSI ADDRESS: 1ABDUL MINEM READ ST,ALMOUHANDISEEN, ALGEZA, BOX 1/CAYRO TELEPHONE NO: 3361448 / 3376188 FAX NO: 3609766 EMBASSY OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ - FINLAND HEAD OF MISSION: Dr. MOHAMMED REHDA ABED JASSEM ADDRESS: LARS SONCKIN TIE 2, 00570 HELSINKI, FINLAND TELEPHONE NO: 6849177 FAX NO: 6848977 EMBASSY OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ - GREECE HEAD OF MISSION: MR. ABDUL MEHSEN MOHAMMED SAEED ADDRESS: 4 MAZARAKI STR. 154 52 PALED PSICHICO ATHENS - GREECE TELEPHONE NO: 6722330 / 6749690 FAX NO: 6717185 TELEX NO: 214480 EMBASSY OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ - SWEDEN HEAD OF MISSION: MR. MEHSSON ABDUL KAREM AL-HAIDARI ADDRESS: IRAKS AMBASSAD BOX 26031, 100 41 STOCKHOLM / BALDERS GATAN 6 TELEPHONE NO: 4114443 FAX NO: 7968366 EMBASSY OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ - JORDAN HEAD OF MISSION: Dr. SABAH YASEEN ADDRESS: AMMAN MOUNTEN-FIRST SQUARE BOX 2025-AMMAN TELEPHONE NO. 4623175 / 4623178 FAX NO: 4637328 / 4619172 FAX NO: 2414331 EMBASSY OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ - OMAN HEAD OF MISSION: MS. FADEL ABDUL-GAFFOR SHAHER ADDRESS: SULTAN KABOS CITY, D STR, HOUSE NO.2803 ROAD NO.1737 MASKAT / OMAN TELEPHONE NO: 604179 / 604178 FAX NO: 605112 TELEX NO: 5110=20 THE PERMANENT MISSION OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ TO THE UNITED NATIONS OFFICE - SWITZERLAND HEAD OF MISSION: MR. MOHAMMED ABDULA AHMMED ADDRESS: 28 A,CHERMIN DU PETIT-SACONNEX 1209 GENEVE-SUISSE TELEPHONE NO. 004122 / 9180980 E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EMBASSY OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ - SUDAN HEAD OF MISSION: MR. NADEM AHMMED AL-YASSEN ADDRESS: GARDEN CITY/AL-SHAREEF AL-HINDI ST./BOX 1969 TELEPHONE NO: 271867 / 271866 / 271863 FAX NO: 271855 EMBASSY OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ - SPAIN =20 HEAD OF MISSION: MR. HEKMAT MOHAMMED ABDUA ADDRESS: PARQUE CONDE DE ORGAZ / RONDA DE SOBRADIEL N 6728043 MADRID - ESPANA TELEPHONE NO: 917591282 FAX NO: 917593180 EMBASSY OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ - TURKEY HEAD OF MISSION: MR. FAROUK ABDLA YHIA ADDRESS: TURAN EMEKEIZ SOKAK NO: 11 GAZOSMANPASA=20 ANKARA - TURKEY TELEPHONE NO. 46871 / 4687422 FAX NO: 4684832 E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EMBASSY OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ - PORTUGAL HEAD OF MISSION: MR. SABBAR AHMEED AL-HADITHI ADDRESS: RUA DA ARRIAGA, 9-A LAPA 1200-806- LISBOA / PORTUGAL TELEPHONE NO. 213-960944 FAX NO. : 213-960962 TELEX NO.: 14042 EMBASSY OF THE REPUBLC OF IRAQ -YEMEN=20 HEAD OF MISSION: MR. TAHA YASSEN AL-BASRI ADDRESS: AL-HAI AL-SEASI / SANA'A - YEMEN TELEPHONE NO.
[CTRL] re : Lynne Moss-Sharman conference presentation
-Caveat Lector- Dear List, Below please find the url for this conference presentation which discusses the cases of Dorothy Proctor and Rick Carlson, as well as allegations of CIA mind control and experimentation. Sincerely, Neil Brick PS This may be triggering for survivors. from http://members.aol.com/smartnews/ls00.htm "Tomorrow A Million Coffins, And One Mourner: The Boys From Thunder Bay This transcript is from a presentation by Lynne Moss-Sharman at The Third Annual Ritual Abuse, Secretive Organizations and Mind Control Conference, August 4 - 6, 2000 Lynne Moss-Sharman is the Canada contact for ACHES-MC www.aches-mc.org In her community, Thunder Bay, Ontario she is a founding member of the regional Elizabeth Fry Society, advocacy for female inmates; a board member of Northwestern Ontario Patients' Council (Lakehead Psychiatric Hospital); she is a survivor of Cold War child psychiatric/military experimentation and ritualized torture a compilation of material that I have collected on the case of Richard Carlson who is the first male inmate in Canada to launch a lawsuit against Correctional Services Canada for having been subjected to CIA experiments while a federal inmate in Kingston area penitentiaries from 1968 to 1974 "LSD Tested on Female Prisoners: Scientists Experimented on Inmates at Kingston Prison For Women in 1960's", Mike Blanchfield, Ottawa Citizen, Feb. 28, 1998] While Rick was in the District Jail, he had mentioned a Dr. Scott as the primary psychiatrist at Kingston Penitentiary, Collins Bay and Millhaven -- and on the weekend before his next court appearance in March 1998, I found this article on internet. Dorothy Proctor, who had been an inmate at Kingston Prison for Women, had come forward to launch a lawsuit against Correctional Services Canada for having been experimented on in P4W in the early 1960's when she was seventeen years old. In that article, she named the same Dr. Scott ECT Statistical Highlights, Ontario, 1995-98, compiled by Don Weitz [EMAIL PROTECTED], host CKLN Ryerson University Radio, "Shrinkrap"] Here are the stats for Ontario for ECT - electricity and ECT have been a huge component in brainwashing experiments and torture. And you'll see that figures went from 100 in the early nineties to 2,325; 12,390. Down at the bottom you'll see 780 ECT's were administered to 138 women over 80 years of age. I've got a pretty damn good idea - I noticed that ECT went up in Ontario about 1993-94 - it went from zero to 100 in our municipality - at this hospital." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Border Patrol Boy Scouts
-Caveat Lector- Explorer program aids Border Patrol Agent says posts teach responsibility, aren't used to fill recruiting quotas 11/20/2000 Associated Press HOUSTON A program affiliated with the Boy Scouts that teaches teenagers how to handle weapons and hostage situations is proving to be a boon for the Border Patrol, which is struggling to recruit 1,000 new agents a year. There are nine Explorer Scout posts along the Texas-Mexico border sponsored by the Border Patrol. In all, the Boy Scouts have established 20 law enforcement Explorer posts in the five southernmost Texas counties. Agents like Cruz J. Rodriguez, chief patrol agent at the 180-officer Border Patrol station in Port Isabel, volunteer to help run the posts. He said the posts are intended to teach teens responsibility and decision-making skills and are not meant to bolster the agency's recruiting quotas. "It was intended as a way for the Border Patrol to get involved with the youth of the community, and as it evolved through the years, a lot of the kids show an interest in applying for the Border Patrol, so it's a win-win situation," Agent Rodriguez said in Sunday's editions of the Houston Chronicle. Scouting officials said as many as 400 high school students have joined Explorer posts in the region. The teens receive basic training on how to make traffic stops and arrests, execute search warrants, lift fingerprints and investigate crime scenes. Many Explorers also receive supervised firearm instruction with weapons provided by their sponsors. "It's something that intrigues a lot of kids who may, or may not, see college as part of their future," said Steve Gerber, director of the Rio Grande Council of the Boy Scouts of America. "There is so much law enforcement in the Valley, both state and federal, that it's very visible and for the most part presents a positive image in the community." Agent Eddie Buyo said the program offers youths a possible career path. "There's not a lot of industry down here as far as big corporations," he said. "So law enforcement, to them, is one of the biggest employers, one of the better paying jobs, one of the most respected jobs." To qualify for work at the Border Patrol, candidates must be at least 18 with one year of experience, or be a college graduate. Recruits earn a base salary of $28,400 during a 20-week training academy, and the pay is raised once they are assigned to a station. Marcos Carreon, 17, said it was the lawman image that attracted him to the program. "I'm interested in enforcement because, like, you look tough with your gun and everything, like your uniform," the 11th-grader said. "Right now I'm learning the basics. So, that way, when I go to college, I will already have learned what it takes to be in the Border Patrol." / A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bible codes
-Caveat Lector- Aleisha Saba wrote: -Caveat Lector- Well Tenorlove - when I first got started on this in 1968 I called it a communication system, for with this you can communicate in any language in the workd, nearly.at Spandau the Russians knew to take it from Baron von Shirach.this is what I looved for when Speer's diary came out. This was the beginning essentially of the real cold war and the Russians did not like Americans thawing towards Germany. Speer when released wrote the diary back in period when Nixon was released and the first thing I looked for was any reference to bible codethe Russians knew what it was. So how did Manson communicate to Squaky Fromm or whatever her name was - Little Red Riding Hood who had a gun misfire or Ford would have been the "late Gerald Ford".. This is special code/communicatin and one can take it literally or figuratively - as moe Dalitz or Meyr Lansky or John Gotti would say upon issuing a threat - get the picture? This guy who wrote book The Bible Code was a fraud - think you will find upper echelon, Alfalfa Club stuff in news media know what it is. My MI6 friend knew what it was but had never see it before. So regular tower of babel? Anyone who says bible not coded - well let us say Joshua 2, go climb Mt. Nebo... Saba You are a superstitious, looney bird. Whether your brain farts are drug induced or because you're a natural moron is not relevant. I know the bible MUCH better than you ever did. The Bible Code is bullshit. No one really disputes this anymore. Busted! J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] RUPPERT/CASTILLO SPEAKING DATE 11/28 AT SDSU
MIKE RUPPERT AND CELE CASTILLO WILL BE SPEAKING AT SAN DIEGO STATE UNIVERSITY ON TUESDAY,11/28/2000. THE EVENT IS SPONSORED BY THE LATIN AMERICAN STUDIES STUDENT ORGANIZATION AND WILL BE PRESENTED AT CASA REAL, INSIDE AZTEC CENTER, AT 5PM. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ FONT COLOR="#99"eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! /FONTA HREF="http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/2/_/475667/_/974750597/"BClick Here!/B/A -_-
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] CASTILLO/RUPPERT RADIO INTERVIEW 11/26
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Re: [CTRL] Bible codes...
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hello everyone, In a message dated 11/20/2000 5:21:26 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible codes were debunked a few years ago by more than a few Bible and code experts. As I said in a previous CTRL thread on this subject, I am not a big fan of using ELS to prophecy. I believe that the examples given by Drosnin were purposely weak -- the strawman set up to be knocked down so that scoffers and unbelievers alike would feel they have solid ground to stand on. It is much easier for these weak minds to simply dismiss ALL possibilities of the Bible having a Divine Origin. Afterall, some amazing code in the Bible would seriously challenge the unbeliever and skeptic. Nonetheless, Gematria; Temura; Notarikon; etc.; fall under a completely different category (and practice) of mathematical codes and permutations. In a message dated 11/20/2000 7:48:26 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When the Drosnin book first came out, PAX TV network did a show on Bible Codes. Not only did they find JFK and Jesus in the codes, one of the detractors also found a code that read: DROSNIN IS A FRAUD. With hard work and creativity, there is a code for everything. My previous statements on ELS apply here as well. Disconcerting it is, how well the Drosnin ploy worked... This fact is easily observed from the gaggles of cyber-know-it-alls who feel secure in their pseudo- intelligence gained by perusing a few web pages which wrestled with ELS Bible codes. Suddenly, these people rise up to presumptively and authoritively tell us that because they read it some where on the web, there is no such thing as ANY Bible code. Well...wake up to history, boneheads. The recognition of Gematria is as old as the first scribes/priests who first began recopying the MSS. How amusing it is to me, that some people believe they can dismiss such an ancient form of mathematics...all because they feel full of knowledge after taking the time to read four whole pages in a magazine or off of some website. Tsadowq Maybe you are just a superstitious loony who believes all things are real except reality. The Bible was written by people with a poor sense of history and NO knowledge of how the real world operates. They are just a bunch of stories. Some are based on actual events and then distorted by supernatural gibberish to appeal to twits and emotional cowards who don't have the guts to face life as it is. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Election 2000: SNAFU or NWO Plan?(part IIb)
-Caveat Lector- TIMELINE OF TREASON APPENDIX B IN THEIR OWN WORDS [PART b] [Continued from PART a] This Article "orders that the Constitution, treaties, and laws of the United States shall be superior to STATE and LOCAL laws"! - BRUCE AND ESTHER FINDLAY [30] [*NOTE: Get it, Folks? It does not say "NATION-State," i.e., United States, Canada, Russia, etc. It says"STATE," as in Ohio, Kentucky, California, etc. - OL] *** "The progressive social philosophy of education generates confusion and fosters disintegration. THE SCHOOL SHOULD NOT BE USED AS AN INSTRUMENT TO AGITATE FOR THE OVERTHROW OF EXISTING SOCIETY." - DEAN FRANCIS CROWLEY (Fordham University College of Education) [31] MARCH "...America is not allowed to win the war [Korean] though we were put into it by United Nations action...The chief objective of this United Nations war is to produce a stalemate and prolong the war instead of achieving victory. Thus, the United Nations in prolonging the war which might otherwise be concluded acts as a menace to peace." - FRANK E. HOLMAN, President (American Bar Association) *** "I want to make one thing clear. THIS WAR AGAINST OUR CONSTITUTION is not being fought way off in Madagascar or in Mandalay. It is being fought here - in our schools, our colleges, our churches, our women's clubs. It is being fought with our money, channeled throught the State Department. It is being fought twenty-four hours a day - while we remain asleep. "How many of you Senators know what the UN is doing to change the teaching of the children in your own home town? The UN is at work there, every day and night, changing the teachers, changing the teaching materials, changing the very words and tones - changing all the essential ideas which we imagine our schools are teaching to our young folks. "How in the name of Heaven are we to sit here, approve these programs, appropriate our own people's money - for such outrageous 'orientation' of our own children, and of the men and women who teach our children, in this Nation's schools?" - SENATOR WILLIAM JENNER [32] (Part IIb can be read in it's entirety at the Joshua Files website) The Joshua Files http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/ -- Michael The Outlawlady The Joshua Files http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: UNITED KINGDOM - Why Not Use the Yugoslav Election Solution?
-Caveat Lector- --- "Mrs. Jela Jovanovic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: TiM Publisher To: TiM GW BulletinsFROM WASHINGTON, DC Here is an UPDATE to the latest TiM Readers Forum - Why Not Use the Yugoslav Election "Solution?" It would probably work better than anything else that's been done. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Bush Family Dirty Secrets
Former government insider Lt. Cmdr. Al Martin (US Navy, Ret) alleges Bush Family members act as if they're above the law. In his new column, "Behind the Scenes in the Beltway," the whistleblower recounts "More Skeletons from the Bush Dynasty Closet," an exclusive feature of Al Martin Raw.com (http://www.almartinraw.com). "And speaking of DUI's in the Bush Family...," writes Martin. "Did you know that George Bush, Sr. was also charged with Driving Under the Influence of Alcohol in the State of Florida, during the time he was the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency?" "Naturally it was taken off the record. The arresting officer died. (Cue up the laugh track) His wife was going through his papers and found an affidavit he had executed regarding this scenario because he knew that it would be taken off the record. It happened outside Sarasota." Martin's column also relates a behind the scenes look at the life of Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who never got a realtor's license in Florida while doing business there as a realtor. There's also another story about Silverado-connected Neil Bush and his role in the extortion and bushwhacking of Congressman Bill Alexander's career. Finally columnist Al Martin reflects on the election fraud-fiasco in an analysis of the current Wall Street situation. Martin, author of a memoir called "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider," inaugurated his new column in November. (From Al Martin Raw.com,http://www.almartinraw.com) PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SEND FAR AND WIDE... __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/
[CTRL] How the Grinch Stole Election Day
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 How the Grinch Stole Election Day By Frank Cammuso and Hart Seely (With respects to Theodor S. Geisel.) Every Chad Down in Chad-ville Liked voting a lot ... But the Grinch, Who lived just north of Chad-ville Did NOT! The Grinch hated voting! He thought it a bore. Now, please don't ask why. Could be Bush, could be Gore. It could be his heart bled with liberal mush. It could be, perhaps, that he listened to Rush. But I think the real reason his trust was so shattered Was the great Grinchy view that his vote never mattered. BUT Whatever the reason, Lack of trust, lack of goals, The Grinch dreaded that day when Chads went to the polls. He just hated those speeches and negative ads, And when push came to shove, he just hated the Chads. He just hated their theme parks, their football-team rooters, He just hated their gun laws, their barmaids at Hooters. He just hated their weather, even hated their hate. And he hated that they were a battleground state. "So they're making their choices," he snarled with a sneer. "This 'Decision Two Thousand' is practically here! "They'll struggle to choose 'tween a crumb and a bum, "'Cause a voter's a voter, no matter how dumb." Then he growled, his Grinch fingers nervously drumming, "I MUST find a way to keep outcomes from coming!" For tomorrow, he knew ... All the flag-waving souls, Would again waste their efforts on Clintons or Doles. And by then, oh, the polls! Oh, the polls! Polls! Polls! Polls! That's the one thing he hated! The POLLS! POLLS! POLLS! POLLS! So the Chads, rich and poor, and by bus, car, or boat, They would vote! And they'd vote! And they'd VOTE! VOTE! VOTE! VOTE! They would vote to ban smoking or clearing your throat. They would even vote laws in for curbing your goat. And THEN ... They'd sing that anthem. It always came later. Be they Bush-ites or Gore-ites or ites of Ralph Nader. They'd stand close together, and though still full of fight, They'd stand and they'd sing, by that dawn's early light. And the more the Grinch thought of Election Day's ring, The more the Grinch thought, "I must stop this whole thing! "Why, for two hundred years I've put up with it now! "I MUST stop these outcomes from coming! "... But HOW?" Then he got an idea! Yes, a legal idea! THE GRINCH GOT AN AWFUL BUT LEGAL IDEA! "I know just what to do!" The Grinch laughed with a jig. And he wove from his goat a Sam Donaldson wig. And into the mirror he spoke with grand rancor, "With this helmet of hair, they'll all think I'm an anchor!" "All I need are some ballots ..." The Grinch looked around. But since ballots were private, there were none to be found. So he made his own ballot, printing letters quite little, And he scattered the names, running holes down the middle, And he stuck it together with Chad-berry spittle. And he said, "They'll need Einstein to figure this riddle!" THEN He loaded his boxes, and without looking nervous Put a sign on his van that said "Voter News Service." THEN The Grinch pulled away in his van with a screech Toward the pads of the Chads in a place called "Palm Beach." When he came to the first polling place in the square, All the lines were quite long. Thoughtful talk filled the air, As the Chads chatted merits of managed health care. "Vote early and often," the Grinch said with a grin. And he marched to the front of the line and stepped in. There he left all his ballots, the strange ones with punches, And instructions that said, "Please punch punches in bunches." As he slunk out the door toward the nearest Grand Hyatt, He could hear what you'd think was an Elián riot. The Cohens sisters Esther, Mitzi, and Shannon, Just realized that their votes had all gone to Buchanan! At a place in Dade County near a middle-school yard, The Grinch donned a shirt that said, "Polling Place Guard." And he eyeballed each Chad and said, "Where is your card? "Voter card? Motor card? Credit card? Diner's? "Face card? Race card? Baseball card? Shriners?" And he turned them away. Then the Grinch, like a fox, Stuffed all of his ballots and locked the lockbox! Then old Grinch returned home to go "LIVE" on TV. He had waited quite late: (It was now eight oh three.) So the Grinch Network News first projected a score: "Now with one percent in, we pick Chad-ville for GORE." Every Gore-ite in Chad-ville said, "GIVE US SOME MORE!" So he pulled more projections straight out of his stack. Then, "Oh, dear!" said the Grinch, "I must take it all back!" So the Grinch Network News, in grand fairness to all Now reported that Chad-ville was "TOO CLOSE TO CALL." "Don't be mad, all you Chads, for
[CTRL] [10] Killing Pablo - Escobar's nemesis hones his troops for the hunt
-Caveat Lector- Click Here: A HREF="http://www.killingpablo.com/content/killingpablo/philly/1047343237.htm" Killing Pablo/A - Escobar's nemesis hones his troops for the hunt By Mark Bowden Police Academy in Medellin, Colombia, where Delta soldiers, DEA, and CIA set up shop in order to track Escobar. (Akira Suwa / Inquirer) PHOTO GALLERIES Chapter Eight of a continuing serial Sometimes the fate of an entire nation can hinge on the integrity of one man. Police Col. Hugo Martinez had been handed a suicide mission in 1989 - hunting down drug kingpin Pablo Escobar. This was during the Colombian government's first war against Escobar, before Martinez was called back in 1992 to rejoin the hunt. He and his men had worked in an atmosphere of terror throughout 1989 and into 1990, every man expecting to be betrayed by his fellows. The National Police had constructed special chapels in Medellin and in Bogota just to handle the heavy demand for funeral services for officers murdered by Escobar's assassins. From the first day the colonel believed he would be killed in this war. He accepted the risk. But his greatest fear was for his wife, his daughter and his two sons. In late 1990, Martinez flew from his headquarters in Medellin to Bogota, where a car bomb had been discovered at his family's apartment building. As he was helping his family pack, he was approached by a retired police officer, an old friend, who offered him a $6 million bribe from Escobar to sabotage the hunt. This bribe had come after a chilling demonstration of his family's vulnerability. The bomb in their basement made it clear that Escobar could find them. Now he had shown that he could follow Martinez's every move - Martinez had told only his boss about flying to Bogota - and also send the colonel's old friend to do his bidding. The colonel's colleagues did not want the family in their building if it meant they were likely to be bombed. His own department was shunning him and his family and abandoning them to their fate. And for what? Martinez could not even see the wisdom of going after Escobar. Cocaine was not Colombia's problem, it was the norteamericanos' problem. And even if they got Escobar, as the United States insisted, it was not going to curb the cocaine industry. This first effort to get Escobar was being pushed hard by the U.S. Embassy, a fact that Escobar exploited skillfully in his public pronouncements. It resonated with the Colombian public because it was true. The public believed the violence was provoked by the Americans' desire to extradite Escobar. It was Martinez's own dogged effort on the gringos' behalf that made the drug boss more desperate and determined. If the search effort stopped, he felt, the bloodshed and kidnappings would probably end as well. There were car bombings in Bogota almost every day. By November 1990, Escobar's men had kidnapped 10 prominent men and women, including the editor-in-chief of the newspaper El Tiempo, and the daughter of a former Colombian president. These carefully chosen kidnappings had rocked Bogota to its social core. In Medellin there was open war. Escobar still had a bounty on the head of every policeman there, more for members of Martinez's search team. The colonel and his men were being accused of using torture to extract information. Colombia was locked in a nightmare of blood and pain, and the colonel felt sometimes that he alone was orchestrating the whole terrible symphony. Now he was being offered a generous ticket out. All he needed to do was side with Escobar, take his $6 million, and silently betray any tipster who contacted the Search Bloc. But the colonel did not consider the bribe for any longer than it took him to have those thoughts. His gut rebelled against the offer. His old friend showing up unannounced had spooked him badly; the whole conversation had seemed off-balance. Martinez cursed at his friend, and then his anger turned to pity and disgust. "Tell Pablo that you came but did not find me here, and then leave this matter as if it had never occurred," he said. Martinez had known other police officers who took bribes, and he had always held them in contempt. Once he had accepted the bribe, he knew, Escobar would own him, just as he owned the friend who had approached him with the words, "I come to you obligated." For Martinez, it would be like turning over his soul to the devil. After he dismissed his old friend, Martinez drove to police headquarters and informed his boss, Gen. Octavio Vargas, of the bribe attempt. They agreed it was a good sign. "It means we're getting to him," Martinez said. Two years later, in the summer of 1992, the Americans working with the Colombian police search team were more impressed by its new commander's will than his methods. This tall, taciturn colonel nicknamed "Flaco" (Skinny) meant business. Martinez had been the driving force behind the first hunt, which had hounded Escobar to his surrender in 1991. He
[CTRL] AP: Clinton Impeachment Lawyer Dies
-Caveat Lector- November 20, 2000 Clinton Impeachment Lawyer Dies By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 3:29 a.m. ET WASHINGTON (AP) -- Charles Ruff, the powerful Washington lawyer who represented President Clinton during the Monica Lewinsky sex scandal and his impeachment trial, died Sunday. He was 61. White House spokesman Jake Siewert said Clinton was told that Ruff had died after an accident at his Washington home. Details of the accident were not available. ``All of us at the White House admired Chuck for the power of his advocacy, the wisdom of his judgment and the strength of his leadership. We loved him for his generous spirit and his keen wit which he used to find humor in even the most challenging circumstances,'' Clinton said in a statement issued aboard Air Force One during his return flight to Washington after his historic visit to Vietnam. Ruff had used a wheelchair since contracting a rare tropical paralyzing disease while teaching law in Africa in the 1960s. After building a career representing powerful political figures and, occasionally, their adversaries, Ruff was asked by Clinton in 1997 to become his chief legal adviser. At the time, Clinton was being investigated by independent prosecutor Kenneth Starr for possible wrongdoing in an Arkansas land deal. The investigation, known as Whitewater because of the name of the land development scheme in which Clinton and his wife were partners, soon expanded to include his affair with Lewinsky, a former White House intern. Starr's investigation led to the House impeaching Clinton in December 1998 on charges that the president had lied under oath when questioned about the affair and obstructed justice. In an interview with the New York Daily News, Ruff said his decision to serve Clinton was no choice at all. ``When the president of the United States asks you to do something you don't say, 'Let me think about it.' You say, 'How can I help you, Mr. President.''' Ruff represented Anita Hill in her sexual harassment accusations against Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas. He also represented Sens. Charles Robb and John Glenn when they were embroiled in scandals and former White House aide Ira Magaziner. As Clinton's lawyer, he mounted a powerful defense of the president in his closing arguments to the Senate in its impeachment trial, accusing House GOP prosecutors of being more motivated by politics than what was good for the nation. ``I believe their vision to be too dark, a vision too little attuned to the needs of the people, too little sensitive to the needs of our democracy. I believe it to be a vision more focused on retribution, more designed to achieve partisan ends, more uncaring about the future we face together,'' he said. Ruff entered the realm of hardball Washington politics during the 1970s when he served as a prosecutor during the Nixon-Watergate investigation. He initially helped prosecute President Nixon's chief fund-raisers for taking illegal campaign contributions and then took over as special prosecutor in 1975. In one of his final duties, he looked into charges that President Ford, Nixon's successor, had improperly used campaign funds. Ruff found no wrongdoing by Ford. Later, as an associate deputy attorney general in the Justice Department, he helped prosecute members of Congress in the Abscam bribery case. Ruff left the government in 1982 to join the Washington law firm of Covington Burling, where he earned his reputation for helping political leaders in legal hot water. He retuned to public service in 1995 when he accepted a huge pay cut to take on the job as chief lawyer for the District of Columbia. That job, he said in a newspaper interview, brought with it satisfaction ``that cannot be matched anyplace else in the world.'' Charles Frederick Carson Ruff was born Aug 1, 1939, in Cleveland, Ohio. He received his undergraduate degree from Swarthmore College in 1960 and went on to law school at Columbia University, graduating in 1963. Fresh out of law school he received a Ford Foundation grant to teach law in Liberia. It was there that Ruff was struck by paralysis in his legs. The cause of the affliction was never determined, but his doctors said they believed it was caused by a virus. Ruff is survived by his wife Sue, his daughters Carin and Christy and his mother Margaret. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy
[CTRL] NYP: 6 NABBED BY YEMEN IN PLOT TO BOMB COLE
-Caveat Lector- 6 NABBED BY YEMEN IN PLOT TO BOMB COLE Monday,November 20,2000 By WILLIAM NEUMAN Authorities in Yemen investigating the suicide bombing of the USS Cole have arrested six men believed to be key accomplices - including one described as a main plotter - sources close to the investigation said. Scores of people have been rounded up by Yemeni authorities since the Oct. 12 terror attack, which killed 17 American sailors - but the six men now under arrest are the first described as central players. The sources told The Associated Press that no charges will be filed in the sensitive case until the investigation is complete. Yemeni Interior Minister Mohammed Hussein Arab said last week that charges would soon be referred to the judiciary. The sources said the man identified as a main plotter was in charge of the operation in Yemen and coordinated the different cells involved in the attack. He told Yemeni investigators he received his orders from a man in the United Arab Emirates described as an Arab veteran of the U.S.-backed guerrilla war to drive Soviet forces from Afghanistan. The Washington Post reported last week that the two men who carried out the suicide attack - sailing a small boat packed with explosives up to the Cole in the port of Aden - have been identified as Yemeni veterans of the Afghan war. But the AP reported the main plotter said one of the bombers may have been from Saudi Arabia. The main plotter reportedly told investigators he never met the two suicide bombers, but communicated with them through a third party. The plotters reportedly worked in cells of two or three people, and many did not know each other. That kind of cell structure has been used by Osama bin Laden - the man some American officials suspect is behind the Cole attack. The Yemeni sources said the man identified as a main plotter was from Aden and three other key suspects were from Lahej, a Muslim fundamentalist stronghold 20 miles north of Aden. The two other key suspects were described simply as Yemeni citizens. The sources have said government officials in Lahej provided the suspected bombers with government cars. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Charles Ruff, Clinton's Impeachment Lawyer, Dead at 61
-Caveat Lector- Nov 20, 2000 - 06:07 AM Charles Ruff, Clinton's Impeachment Lawyer, Dead at 61 By Ronald Powers Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Charles Ruff, an influential Washington lawyer who made a career of defending politicians with legal problems and represented President Clinton during the Monica Lewinsky scandal and his impeachment trial, has died at age 61. "All of us at the White House admired Chuck for the power of his advocacy, the wisdom of his judgment and the strength of his leadership," Clinton said. "We loved him for his generous spirit and his keen wit which he used to find humor in even the most challenging circumstances." The president issued a statement aboard Air Force One during the flight back to Washington after his historic visit to Vietnam. Patrick Marshall, watch commander at the District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Department's Second District headquarters said Ruff's wife found him unconscious in the master bedroom of their Washington home. "It appears to be from natural causes, there is no indication of foul play," said Marshall. Paramedics were unable to revive Ruff and he was pronounced dead at D.C. General Hospital. Ruff had used a wheelchair since contracting a rare tropical paralyzing disease while teaching law in Africa in the 1960s. After building a career representing powerful political figures and, occasionally, their adversaries, Ruff was asked by Clinton in 1997 to become his chief legal adviser. At the time, Clinton was being investigated by independent prosecutor Kenneth Starr for possible wrongdoing in an Arkansas land deal. The investigation, known as Whitewater because of the name of the land development scheme in which Clinton and his wife were partners, soon expanded to include his affair with Lewinsky, a former White House intern. Starr's investigation led to the House impeaching Clinton in December 1998 on charges that the president had lied under oath when questioned about the affair and obstructed justice. In an interview with the New York Daily News, Ruff said his decision to serve Clinton was no choice at all. "When the president of the United States asks you to do something you don't say, 'Let me think about it.' You say, 'How can I help you, Mr. President.'" Ruff represented Anita Hill in her sexual harassment accusations against Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas. He also represented Sens. Charles Robb and John Glenn when they were embroiled in scandals and former White House aide Ira Magaziner. As Clinton's lawyer, he mounted a powerful defense of the president in his closing arguments to the Senate in its impeachment trial, accusing House GOP prosecutors of being more motivated by politics than what was good for the nation. "I believe their vision to be too dark, a vision too little attuned to the needs of the people, too little sensitive to the needs of our democracy. I believe it to be a vision more focused on retribution, more designed to achieve partisan ends, more uncaring about the future we face together," he said. Ruff entered hardball Washington politics during the 1970s when he served as a prosecutor during the Nixon-Watergate investigation. He initially helped prosecute President Nixon's chief fund-raisers for taking illegal campaign contributions and then took over as special prosecutor in 1975. In one of his final duties, he looked into charges that President Ford, Nixon's successor, had improperly used campaign funds. Ruff found no wrongdoing by Ford. Later, as an associate deputy attorney general in the Justice Department, he helped prosecute members of Congress in the Abscam bribery case. Ruff left the government in 1982 to join the Washington law firm of Covington Burling, where he earned his reputation for helping political leaders in legal hot water. He retuned to public service in 1995 when he accepted a huge pay cut to take on the job as chief lawyer for the District of Columbia. Charles Frederick Carson Ruff was born Aug 1, 1939, in Cleveland, Ohio. He received his undergraduate degree from Swarthmore College in 1960 and went on to law school at Columbia University, graduating in 1963. Fresh out of law school he received a Ford Foundation grant to teach law in Liberia. It was there that Ruff was struck by paralysis in his legs. The cause of the affliction was never determined, but his doctors said they believed it was caused by a virus. Ruff is survived by his wife Sue, his daughters Carin and Christy and his mother Margaret. AP-ES-11-20-00 0607EST © Copyright 2000 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends
[CTRL] DBNJ: The military absentee ballot problem
-Caveat Lector- Monday, November 20, 2000 Pilot's wife says husband disappointed his vote wasn't counted Daytona Beach News-Journal wire services JACKSONVILLE - The wife of a Navy pilot said her husband was disappointed his absentee ballot was thrown out because it did not have a postmark. Abby Krug's husband, Lt. Chad Krug, is stationed aboard the aircraft carrier USS George Washington. She learned late Saturday that his vote was one of the 44 overseas ballots which had been tossed out by the Duval County canvassing board. Krug passed that information along to her husband when they spoke briefly on Sunday. "My husband is risking his life for our right to vote," Krug said in a news conference outside her Jacksonville apartment. "He did not have a say in whether or not his ballot received a postmark," she said, adding that he had mailed it from the aircraft carrier, which is now in the Adriatic Sea. Krug, 29, declined to discuss her political affiliation and wouldn't say which candidate her husband supported in the presidential race. When asked if she voted in the election, she replied, "I can't discuss it." "I am not a political person, but this is very personal," said Krug, whose husband is an S-3 Viking pilot She said he expressed his disappointment that his ballot did not count, but spent most of their five-minute phone call discussing his homecoming in 16 days. Krug's news conference came on the heels of a news conference Saturday in which U.S. Rep. Tillie Fowler, a Republican, released the names of 44 military men and women whose ballots were not counted because they lacked either a postmark or did not have the signature of a witness. American Legion National Commander Ray Smith, leader of the 2.8-million member veterans group, urged election officials Sunday to reconsider discounted ballots from military personnel overseas. "It is un-American to deny the protectors of democracy their constitutional right to participate in the electoral process," Smith said. "Unless an absentee ballot is so mutilated that the choices cannot be determined, the ballot should count." = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NJ: Get a new top cop for the Pentagon
-Caveat Lector- November 20, 2000 Commentary: Get a new top cop for the Pentagon By George C. Wilson National Journal News Service Stand by for more incoming rounds on why the Pentagon waited 18 months before acting on CIA warnings that former Deputy Defense Secretary John M. Deutch may have compromised some of the military's deepest secrets. CBS is preparing a 60 Minutes segment on the fiasco, and the program is expected to ask this key question: Why didn't acting Inspector General Donald Mancuso, the Pentagon's top cop, blow his whistle loudly and clearly back in 1998 when the CIA first sounded the warning? The story has appeared in print before, including in National Journal, but CBS will amplify it for millions of people. Before the program airs, the Clinton administration should drop its fight to make Mancuso the permanent inspector general of the Defense Department. Mancuso was a controversial figure long before the Deutch episode. His handling of the Tailhook investigation in 1992-93 drew fire from several federal judges, and his generosity toward a convicted felon in the Inspector General's Office was the original reason Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, put a hold on Mancuso's nomination for the top job. The Pentagon's inspector general holds an important post, paying $130,200 a year. The inspector general directs the Pentagon's battle against waste, fraud, and abuse in the military industrial complex. The office is also in charge of combating hackers trying to raid the military's computers. Overseeing 1,200 employees, spending $230 million a year, the IG is comparable to the director of the FBI. But Mancuso's nomination has reached the point of diminishing returns inside and outside the Pentagon. Inside, Pentagon career officials report that the protracted nomination fight in the Senate over Mancuso is poisoning the atmosphere of the Inspector General's Office. Colleagues portray him as an old-fashioned "you're for me or against me" practitioner, rather than a modern leader capable of uniting his investigators against such new threats as cyberattacks on Pentagon information systems. Hamre and other backers argue that Mancuso is "as tough as nails" and that's how an IG should be. But some of his deputies are disputing Mancuso's public assertion that he never saw a 1998 memo from one of his own agents, a memo that specified CIA fears about Deutch's endangering the Pentagon's most sensitive secrets, dubbed Special Access. The memo was written after CIA investigators determined that Deutch, who later became CIA director, had placed similar CIA secrets on his home computer. Outside the Pentagon, two Senate committees--along with 60 Minutes--continue to investigate why Mancuso, Defense Secretary William S. Cohen, former Deputy Defense Secretary John J. Hamre, and other top Defense officials neither acted on the CIA warnings in 1998 nor informed the Justice Department and congressional intelligence committees that a crime may have been committed by Deutch when he was the Pentagon's No. 2 executive from 1994-95. In contrast, Deutch's mishandling of secrets at the CIA caused heads to roll at that agency. Mancuso, Cohen, and Hamre all insist that they did not know until February of this year of the CIA's warnings about Deutch's mishandling of Special Access information. But Carol Levy, a Mancuso deputy, was directly informed. A June 18, 1998, memo from the CIA deputy inspector general to Levy, obtained by National Journal, states clearly that CIA investigators briefed Special Agent Mark W. Spaulding of the Pentagon's Inspector General's Office on June 17, 1998, about the Deutch issue and the potential risks to military secrets. Senate Armed Services Committee members, in a confirmation hearing for Mancuso on July 26, did not ask a single question about unusually harsh criticism leveled at Mancuso's running of the Tailhook investigation as director of the Defense Criminal Investigative Service. Nor did the Senators indicate any knowledge about his actions, or inaction, in regard to Deutch's handling of Pentagon secrets. The committee recommended that the full Senate confirm Mancuso as Pentagon IG. So did the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, which is now having second thoughts as it digs deeper into the Deutch case. The full Senate has yet to vote on Mancuso. Congress investigating Pentagon investigators wasn't what lawmakers had in mind when they established an Inspector General's Office within the Defense Department in 1982. They envisioned the selection of an inspector general with an unblemished record, who would stay in office for an extended period. But, alas, inspectors general have generally passed so quickly through that office on the way to somewhere else that the post has been filled by stand-ins for seven years of its 18-year existence. All of this is not to say that the Pentagon's Inspector General's Office has been a total failure. Hundreds of its
[CTRL] NYP: Morris: ON THE 'NET, THERE ARE NO CHADS
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nypostonline.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/16417.htm ON THE 'NET, THERE ARE NO CHADS Monday,November 20,2000 CHADS littering the floor of the vote-counting room. Pregnant chads. Dimpled chads. Ballots used as fans by hot inspectors so the chads fall out. Military ballots thrown out for lack of a postmark. Is this the electoral process of 1900 or of 2000? With Internet voting, there would be no chads or postmarks or month-long recounts while the candidates and the country grind their teeth in agony. An Internet ballot would be instant, electronic, convenient, accessible and user-friendly. That's why the politicians can't adopt it. They worry that it might boost turnout, simplify the process and limit their bountiful chances for chicanery. Of course hackers would try to screw things up for fun, and partisans might try to cast multiple ballots. But these problems can be solved. With the 'Net, we need not depend on the eyesight of the blue-haired ladies who serve as election inspectors to determine the identity of the next president. When recounts are necessary, they could be done in minutes, not in months. The answer to inaccurate media calls is to take the power to call an election away from the networks. Through Internet voting, results could be tabulated instantly, so the actual numbers are known at the click of a mouse. We won't have to rely on networks' declarations of victory. Arizona, alone among the states, experimented with Internet voting in its Democratic primary this year. The state's nominating contest drew 35,000 voters to the polls in 1992; in 1996, 35,000. In 2000, 35,000 voters again cast their ballots at their polling places, but another 45,000 voted online, swelling turnout to a record-breaking 80,000 - without fraud or great expense. What Arizona did, other states can do. The problem of identification of voters can be solved easily by sending them, through snail mail (the Internet's affectionate term for the post office), voter-identification numbers or passwords which must be entered for an online vote to be cast and counted. Once states have made the leap to postal mail votes, it is a short step to the far more accurate system of Internet voting. Some worry that Internet voting will increase the disparity between the rich and the poor in voter turnout. In the short term, the answer is simply that one does not deliberately make voting inconvenient in order to keep the turnout low enough so the votes of the poor are not drowned out. And in a few years, there will be no digital divide. As the 'Net is divorced from the PC and an increasing proportion of users access it through their TV sets, anyone who has a television will have Internet access. Just as telephones and TVs were perks of wealth but are now universal, so will Internet use become ubiquitous in the immediate future. When the Neolithic technology now used to tabulate votes keeps the country guessing who its next president will be, it's time to change. When that Stone Age system actual alters the results as vote counters intentionally or unintentionally punch out holes in ballots, the need for modernization becomes acute. Already, millions vote online in unofficial referenda on Web sites such as CNN, Fox News Channel and my own site, Vote.com. We can use this technology to stop vote-counting gridlock from crippling our political process once again. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy
[CTRL] NR: Florida Is Wrong
-Caveat Lector- 11/20/00 10:35 a.m. Florida Is Wrong Count those military votes its the law. By Robert Alt, adjunct fellow, John M. Ashbrook Center for Public Affairs National Review Using a "how-to-challenge-absentee-ballots-for-fun-and-political-advantage" memo, Democratic lawyers successfully disqualified approximately 1,400 overseas absentee ballots in Florida. Many of the targeted ballots were from military voters, and many of these were disqualified because they lacked postmarks as required by Florida law. But Florida's postmark requirement as applied may contradict federal law, in which case the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution mandates that the federal law be observed and that these votes be counted. Florida law states that absentee ballots from qualified overseas voters are valid only if mailed with a postmark. Before those seeking to deny military men and women of their vote do a little disqualification dance, however, it is worth noting that the Florida statute is not the only law on the subject of overseas ballots. Pursuant to the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act, Congress established that ballots from qualified military and overseas voters "shall be carried expeditiously and free of postage." Both of these requirements are important, and both potentially contradict and thereby preempt Florida law. First, there is evidence that the Military Postal Service did not postmark the ballots in order to carry the ballots "expeditiously." Deputy Director of the Military Postal Service E. M. DuComm has attested that "there are instances when time constraints do not allow for proper postmarking/cancellation of mail . The last flight may be departing ship and the mail has to get on it . No one is going to refuse to take a letter or ballot at the last minute because they do not have time to postmark it. It could be weeks before they see mail service again." Waiting weeks would effectively deny the armed-service members of their votes, and would not meet the statutory requirement of expeditious carrying. Accordingly, to the extent that Florida's postmark requirement impairs the Military Postal Service from carrying out the expeditious requirement of the Uniformed and Overseas Absentee Voting Act and thereby contradicts the requirements of that Act, the Supremacy Clause requires that the federal law be adhered to and that the votes therefore be counted. Second, the federal requirement that overseas ballots be carried free of postage raises a question of fact as to whether postage-free ballots actually carry a postmark. If the postal service does not require postmarks for or uniformly apply them to congressionally authorized postage-free mail, then the provision that ballots be mailed free of postage implicitly means free of postmarks as well. This result would also set up a conflict between federal and state law, and the Constitution would once again require the federal law to prevail and the ballots therefore to be counted. Congress passed the Uniformed and Overseas Voting Act in order to maximize access to the polls by members of the armed forces and by citizens overseas. In addition to the mailing requirements, the Act recommends that states take a number of steps to make voting more accessible to overseas voters, including waiving registration requirements, expediting ballot processing, and allowing ballot oaths to be administered by commissioned officers. The cumulative effect of the Act is to take account of the difficulties of voting overseas, and to make reasonable accommodations to assure that these citizens have a genuine opportunity to vote. The application of Florida's postmark law was, by contrast, a blatant and coordinated attempt to capitalize on these same voting difficulties by those seeking to deny the men and women serving our country of their votes. To the extent that adherence to Florida's postmark law contradicts the requirements of federal law, the Constitution requires that the state law be preempted, and that the absentee votes disqualified by that law be counted. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts,
[CTRL] The Politicos 1865-1896 - Hayes/Tilden Race
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an excerpt from:
The Politicos 1865-1896
Matthew Josephson©1938
Harcourt, Brace and Compnay
New York
760 pps. First Edition Out-of-print
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CHAPTER SIX
DEFENSE OF THE SPOILS SYSTEM
Parties are not built up by deportment, or by ladies' magazines, or gush!
ROSCOE CONKLING
ON March 4, 1877, Rutherford B. Hayes was sworn in and installed as the
nineteenth President of the United States. To accomplish this result had been
no easy task for the Republican Organization. As to the electoral battle
itself, we must award the palm to the Republicans for sheer cheek and
coolness under fire. During the three months' interregnum that followed the
election, the Constitution, the government apparatus, public opinion, and
business confidence had labored under acute strain, while none knew certainly
who was to be the new Chief Magistrate. And in the closing phases of this
strange post-electoral dispute the unity of the Republican Organization
itself had shown signs of breaking, a development which was an evil omen for
the future.
Most historians who have discussed the crisis of 1876-77 have, with Rhodes,
applauded the extraordinary calm with which the masses of people accepted the
settlement of the disputed election, "effected peaceably and according to due
process of law under conditions, which, in nearly every other country, must
inevitably have led to civil war." [1] An inherent vagueness in the American
Constitution, the multiplicity of governmental authorities it revealed, again
sorely tried the patience of the citizen. Yet the American people as a whole
showed a moderation in action, a reverence for law, which, as Walter Bagehot
commented at the time, offered singular contrast to the statesmen's violence
of speech. What has not been commented upon sufficiently is the real
indifference that gripped the mass of people as to the final outcome. This
points to their instinctive understanding that it was but a contest between
two great patronage parties neither of which broached the deeper issues of
the time; hence those who had risen to arms in j861 were now perplexed, but
pacific. Those Southern politicians who talked most menacingly in public
showed themselves in private, however, alert for compromise at the lastfor a
consideration.
The tortuous solution of the Hayes-Tilden election, for whose sake both
parties abandoned mere scruples, was indeed a travesty upon representative,
constitutional government. It is true also, as was often said that Mr. Tilden
should have been declared President according to the rules of the game, but
was overreached by superior skulduggery on the part of his opponents. It does
not appear likely, however, that the country was (Cnear to civil war." What
is most striking after longer reflection upon this colossal political comedy
is the similarity of motives and methods in both of the great political
"cartels" and their common material interestswhich led to a peaceful
settlement and bargain. Nay, in the last hours, though the leaders might beat
their breasts in public and swear in the name of eternal principles and
sacred covenants their unyielding resistance, they virtually competed with
each other in seeking to lose rather than to win!
Early on the night of November 7, 1876, it was known that the party of the
Outs had carried by a clear margin four important Northern States: New York,
New Jersey, Connecticut, and Indiana. With almost all of the Solid South now
counted as Democratic, the commander in chief of the Republican armies, Zach
Chandler himself, had at last gone to bed wearily at his headquarters in the
Fifth Avenue Hotel, New York, giving up his cause for lost. On the morning of
the eighth (as for several days thereafter) nearly all the press conceded the
election of Mr. Tilden; though the Republican New York Times, in a late city
edition of November 8, contended that "the result . . . is still in doubt."
Thus far its tabulation of electoral votes showed 184 for Tilden and 181 for
Hayes, this counting South Carolina and Louisiana as Republican. But Florida
had not been heard from. "If the Republicans have carried that state as they
claim, they will have 185 votesa majority of one."
In the early morning hours of November 8 something further had happened that
aroused the sinking hopes of Republicans. From Democratic State Headquarters
in New York, Senator William A. Barnum of Connecticut had sent an artless
inquiry to the office of the New York Times for last-minute news concerning
the elections in South Carolina, Florida, and Louisiana. One of the editors,
a certain John C. Reid, had therefore come swiftly to the surmise that the
Democrats were still doubtful of these States, and had as quickly calculated
that if they could only be held for Hayes, then all was not yet lost. He
rushed at once to Republican National Headquarters, where he encountered W.
E. ("Bill") Chandler, the veteran campaign paymaster, just returned from a
field trip, "a small man
[CTRL] Fwd: A Modest Proposal
If the Democrats, and the Republicans likewise (following the Democrats' lead), are TRULY concerned about protecting the citizenry's "sacred" right to vote --"every vote should count," even to the point of divining the INTENT of voters' poorly-cast ballots, I propose that our legislators carry this lofty sentiment to its logical (naturally absurd) conclusion and begin to count (recount?) the VIRTUAL votes of all those who were registered voters, but who failed to cast a ballot in the Nov 7th Prresidential election. Those citizens ALSO have, in the terminology of the Constitution, the INALIENABLE RIGHT to vote ["inalienable" in legal terms refers to a right which CAN'T be abdicated, even by the possessor of the right, should he/she choose NOT to exercise it] but on November 7th they felt that they could not exercise their right to vote under today's "confusing and/or fraudulent" ballot, which permits them only to vote FOR candidates but not to vote AGAINST them, except indirectly, by voting for the candidate's opponent. Under such a faulty system, how can one exercise one's "right" to vote in a case where one disapproves of BOTH candidates (and third party candidates, knowing that voting for the latter would in fact be frivolous)? Therefore, I argue that the "confusing and fraudulent" presidential ballot on November 7th, in effect DISENFRANCHISED a whole class of registered voters --100 MILLION of them!-- whose vote was thus MADE IMPOSSIBLE by restricting their choices to only the two main candidates (and two or more unelectable "third party" candidates who were universally understood to lose). Think about that: 50 million voters cast their ballot for Al Gore, and an equal number cast theirs for George Bush, resulting in a 49%-49% TIE -- neither getting even 50%. Yet those voters were LESS THAN HALF of the registered voters across the country -- an estimated 100 MILLION voters did not vote at all, having been "disenfranchised." If the uncast ballots --uncast from being trapped in a DISENFRANCHISING Catch-22-- of those 100 million registered voters were ALSO counted --their RIGHT to vote being UNALIENABLE, remember-- and their obstructed INTENT taken into consideration. what would we have now? How would the numbers of the Nov 7 election look then? In that case --if the Presidential election were TRULY "fair"-- there would have been 100 million votes AGAINST both Al Gore and George Bush, thus CANCELLING OUT the 50 million votes FOR Al Gore OR George Bush respectively. We know that NEITHER Al Gore nor George Bush got a PLURALITY (=more than 50%) of votes from the American citizenry, but if the election had TRULY been "fair" and representative of the electorate, neither would have gotten even 25% of the vote -- downright pathetic, one must say, as a "mandate of the people." Possibly 40% percent of Americans opted for either Gore or Bush as President, while as many as 60% clearly wanted NEITHER to govern them. I propose that we just call it EVEN and write off BOTH Gore and Bush as BOTH having LOST the election. That certainly makes more sense than either party "winning" only after digging through garbage cans looking for one or two "pregnant chads" that some two weeks ago weren't pregnant ENOUGH for precinct-workers to bother counting. We might just as well elect a President of the United States by FLIPPING A COIN -- a decision-making process equally "fair," since in the final analysis, it's only CHANCE that's determining which of these two unimpressive, unprincipled political bottom-feeders --one who can do nothing and the other who can only do the wrong thing-- will assume control over the majority of American citizens who didn't trust them in the first place. "NOBODY for President"! We can get along fine without one. Remember Reagan?
[CTRL] YaleNews: Strobe Talbott to Head New Yale Center on Globalization
-Caveat Lector- http://www.yale.edu/opa/newsr/00-11-14-02.all.html YALE News Release Strobe Talbott to Head New Yale Center on Globalization Also, Yale Launches Efforts to Nurture Global Leaders, Create New Professorships Announcements Reflect Determination to Become Thoroughly Global University New Haven, Conn. -- Strobe Talbott, the Deputy Secretary of State and a key architect of U.S. foreign policy for the past eight years, will direct the new Yale Center for the Study of Globalization, Yale University announced today. The University also announced that it would launch an innovative fellowship program for emerging leaders of other countries and establish the first of three new interdisciplinary professorships in international studies. Today's announcement underscores the determination of Yale, which celebrates its 300th birthday in 2001, to become a thoroughly global institution of higher education as it enters its fourth century. Talbott, a 1968 graduate of Yale College and a former trustee of the University, will begin work in July 2001 as director of the new Center and professor in the field of international relations. "Strobe Talbott's contributions to international relations have spanned the worlds of scholarship, journalism and diplomacy," President Richard C. Levin said. "He is superbly qualified to direct an effort that will draw on Yale's distinguished faculty to understand globalization, promote on-line dialogue about its implications, and facilitate the resolution of global and regional conflicts." Talbott became Deputy Secretary of State in early 1994 after serving for a year as Ambassador-at-Large and Special Adviser to the Secretary of State on the New Independent States. He entered public service after 21 years as an award-winning journalist for Time magazine, where he served as editor-at-large, foreign affairs columnist, Washington bureau chief, State Department correspondent and White House correspondent. A Rhodes scholar, Talbott is the translator and editor of Nikita Khrushchev's memoirs and the author of six books on diplomacy and U.S.-Soviet relations. Since becoming Deputy Secretary, he has written articles for The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Economist, The Financial Times, Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, The New York Review of Books, The Wall Street Journal, World Policy Journal and Slate. Talbott has served as a director of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a trustee of the Trilateral Commission and a member of the Aspen Strategy Group. "In moving from government to Yale, I'm coming home to a community that has always upheld the highest intellectual standards while actively engaging in the affairs of the world," said Talbott. "That tradition makes Yale a natural leader in the quest to understand, explain and shape the forces that are changing our lives and defining our era. The mission of the Center is to help the University meet that challenge." The Center for the Study of Globalization and the fellowship program for emerging global leaders will be housed in the Davies Mansion, a recently restored Victorian structure of nearly 20,000 square feet that sits on a hilltop at the north end of the Yale campus. Details of each initiative follow. The Yale Center for the Study of Globalization The Center will serve as a catalyst for research, writing and teaching on globalization, utilizing Yale faculty and bringing to Yale distinguished scholars and practitioners of international affairs. Initial funding for the Center has been provided by a generous grant from the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation and a gift from an individual donor. The Center will also engage in "Track II diplomacy" - privately sponsored efforts to promote dialogue between opposing sides in crises and disputes. The Center will conduct Track II projects drawing on University faculty and the Center's visitors for expertise on the ethnic, national, religious, cultural and economic issues that underlie regional conflicts. Recognizing the Internet's status as an engine of globalization, the Center will develop a premier web site on all dimensions of the subject. The web site will host an on-line journal of opinion for scholars and practitioners. Along with the Center's teleconferencing facility, the web site will carry the proceedings of the Center's conferences and seminars; it will publish articles and papers produced by Yale scholars and visitors and establish links among institutions and individuals working on globalization worldwide. Among leading scholars of globalization at Yale are historians John Gaddis and Paul Kennedy; political scientists Geoffrey Garrett, Bruce Russett and James Scott; economists William Nordhaus, T.N. Srinivasan and Gustav Ranis, who is director of the Yale Center for International and Area Studies; Law School professors Paul Gewirtz and Harold Koh; Dean James G. Speth and Deputy Dean Daniel C. Esty
[CTRL] Miami-Dade Hand Recount Contentious
-Caveat Lector- Monday November 20 9:31 PM ET Miami-Dade Hand Recount Contentious By CATHERINE WILSON Associated Press Writer MIAMI (AP) - Republicans accused the Miami-Dade County canvassing board of ``manufacturing'' votes for Democrat Al Gore as the hand recount of 654,000 presidential ballots began Monday. Democrats dismissed the claims as desperate spin. Going beyond earlier allegations that the hand-counting process was unfair or subject to tampering, Republicans said Monday the operation was ``rigged.'' ``Unfortunately Miami-Dade has become ground zero for producing a manufactured vote,'' said Rep. John Sweeney, R-N.Y., who called the elections officials roaming the counting room ``pit bosses.'' Miami-Dade County used machines Sunday to begin sorting punch-card ballots, separating those with clear punch holes from the ballots in question. The so-called ``undervotes,'' ballots on which no vote was registered by the machines, were being reviewed by the board because members didn't want the regular teams of counters to use their discretion to determine whether a vote was a vote. There were about 10,750 undervotes. Gore had gained 59 votes after 78 of 614 precincts were counted. Republicans claimed board members were twisting and turning ballots to determine voter intent, looking for votes that weren't there. ``This thing is rigged,'' said Rep. David Hobson, R-Ohio. ``It is a joke on our democracy.'' Kendall Coffey, a Democratic attorney, responded: ``I think any attempt to raise fraud or any other type of innuendo is nothing short of outrageous.'' Lawrence King, chairman of the Miami-Dade board, said he did not hear the comments from Hobson or Sweeney. ``I'm sure it was very entertaining, but this is not point-counterpoint,'' he said. Tensions flared almost immediately after the counting began when King warned the partisan observers in the room to stop talking to the counters. He repeated his warnings at least twice more, threatening to throw out the observers. ``I do not expect observers to be arguing or putting into this process their personal opinion,'' he said. Meanwhile, a hearing was scheduled in circuit court Tuesday where Republicans will argue the canvassing board erred in reversing its decision against a hand recount. On Sunday, a judge rejected a request by backers of George W. Bush to stop the recount. Fourteen groups began counting the clearly punched ballots Monday morning. Workers were sorting ballots onto 12 81/2-by-11 sheets of paper, which had been taped to the table to separate the ballots cast for the 10 presidential candidates, ballots with no vote for president and ballots with more than one vote for president. The stacks take up the entire width of each table, like a giant game board in front of each elections worker. Outside, about 150 demonstrators gathered in downtown Miami near the building where the counting was being done. Many chanted ``No more Gore,'' and ``We want Bush.'' One demonstrator carried a sign that was a takeoff on the Gore-Lieberman campaign banner, ``Sore Loserman'' in red, white and blue. Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., said Monday he was disturbed by criticism aimed at the counters. ``They ought to be praised, not disparaged,'' Graham said. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CSETI to brief incoming President on ET Presence
-Caveat Lector- From: Tony Craddock To: David Kingston Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:54 PM Subject: CSETI Disclosure Project - Update and Status THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT - UPDATE AND STATUS In the past 4 or 5 months, CSETI has been able to identify, contact and film nearly 90 military, intelligence and government witnesses to UFO events and projects. Many of these interviews and accompanying evidence are definitive and will be able to establish the reality of the UFO/ET subject as well as the nature and purpose of the secrecy surrounding it. We will be completing these interviews in the next 30 days. Anyone who is aware of a potential witness or who has important other evidence should contact CSETI Director Steven M. Greer MD as soon as possible for inclusion in the project. Government witnesses only may call Dr. Greer at 540 456 8302. As you know, we had hoped to effect this disclosure prior to President Clinton leaving office on January 20, 2001. However, strategically and logistically this is not feasible. In light of the nonstop media coverage of the presidential election uncertainty, the likelihood of having any effective coverage of a disclosure on the UFO/ET issue is quite unlikely. Indeed, other major stories in the world are getting little to no coverage and special reports are focusing exclusively on the election controversy. For this reason, I have decided to postpone the disclosure events until after the next president (whoever that may be) takes office and the media frenzy has been reduced. It is unlikely, therefore, that this could be accomplished before late February to March 2001. Since there is likely to be considerable controversy lasting well after the inauguration, it would be prudent to avoid competing with this matter altogether. In the interim, we will be creating an Executive Briefing Summary of government witness testimony and other evidence for briefing the new Congress and the new Administration, as soon as that is known. A National Press Club disclosure event including this evidence and select government witnesses will be planned for sometime after the inauguration, hopefully early next year. Individuals who can contribute funds to help us conclude this historic project may do so by sending them to CSETI , PO Box 265, Crozet VA 22932. I would like to thank everyone for their help and support in this effort to let the world know the truth about this important subject. Wishing you the best of all worlds, Steven M. Greer MD CSETI Director Albemarle County, Virginia November 17, 2000 See http://www.cseti.org/position/greer/disclosureupdate01.htm = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WT: Both sides have rough day in court
-Caveat Lector- November 21, 2000 Both sides have rough day in court By Bill Sammon THE WASHINGTON TIMES TALLAHASSEE, Fla. Florida's Supreme Court justices yesterday sharply questioned lawyers for Al Gore and George W. Bush, repeatedly inquiring about whether the election can be concluded in time for Florida's electors to be chosen three weeks from today. For nearly 2 and 1/2 hours, the seven justices played the role of devil's advocate by peppering each side with questions that seemed to take the viewpoint of the opposition. After grilling the Democrats for an hour, the justices turned on the Republicans with equal vigor. Lawyers soon discovered that their carefully crafted speeches would go unheard as justice after justice repeatedly interrupted them with pointed queries. The lawyers were then abruptly dismissed, in most cases without the benefit of even the briefest closing arguments. It was impossible to divine the intentions of the justices, all of whom were appointed by Democrats. The court, which has a reputation of being liberal and activist, was asked by the Gore campaign to broadly assert itself in settling the election a role the Florida legislature has heretofore left to Florida's secretary of state. But the court seemed more concerned with not missing the deadline for choosing Florida's 25 electors, which is Dec. 12, or six days before the Electoral College meets. Meeting that deadline would preclude a variety of contentious scenarios that have sprung up in recent days, calling for the electors to be chosen by the Florida legislature or perhaps even the U.S. Congress. To prevent this, Chief Justice Charles T. Wells talked of working backward from Dec. 12 to build in enough time for either party to contest the election certification, which the court put on hold Friday. Florida law allows candidates to protest an election before it is certified and contest an election afterward. In other words, the court sought to balance the Gore campaign, which wants certification delayed until hand recounts are completed in three Democratic counties, with the Bush campaign, which needs enough time to contest the certification if the hand counts produce enough votes for a Gore win. The two goals seemed on a collision course because Miami-Dade County does not expect to finish its hand count until early December, which is precisely when any contest period would have to begin. "How is it going to work, within that time period, for the votes to get recounted, and then, if Governor Bush wants to contest that, for him to get a contest finally resolved?" Justice Wells asked. Gore attorney David Boies suggested the court tell the county canvassing boards: "You've got this amount of time to complete your recount. And at that point, those votes are subject to being contested by Governor Bush or Vice President Gore. And those contests then take place in a time frame that allows everything to be completed by December 12th." Justice Major B. Harding asked how the court was supposed to come up with a timetable. "Do we have information in the record that can guide us?" he said. "Do we know how long it's going to take to do these things? Or are we just going to reach up from some inspiration and put it down on paper?" Mr. Boies replied that the answer is somewhere "in between" the record and heavenly inspiration. "I think there's some information in the record," he said. "But to be completely candid with the court, I believe that there is going to have to be a lot of judgment applied by the court as well." Mr. Harding countered by essentially making the argument of the Bush team, which points to a Florida law that calls for election results to have been certified last weekend by Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris. "Is this not something that the legislature tried to do in setting these time limits, when the votes should be in?" Mr. Harris said. "I don't think that's what they have done," Mr. Boies said. He added that the intention of the legislature was not to bring "down the curtain a mere week after the election." "What is the time limit?" Mr. Harding persisted. But Mr. Boies could not answer. The justices were equally probing in their questioning of Republicans. Mr. Wells demanded that Bush lawyer Joseph Klock explain why certification of the election should not be delayed until after the hand counts are completed. "Why wouldn't it be, in this unique circumstance, a better thing to do to wait?" Mr. Wells said. "There is no suggestion anywhere here in the record that we have a problem with the voting machines or with any fraud or anything else," Mr. Klock said. "What we're trying to do is to deal with the problem of people who did not follow instructions. "The instructions were to put the stylus through the hole in the ballot," he said. "They did not follow those instructions. "Now, balanced against that, it's being suggested that the entire contest period
Re: [CTRL] Help needed for Streisand, Sheen, Saradon, Goldberg, Baldwin
-Caveat Lector- | She likes to play lesbian roles | | And what movie would that be? | | Boys on the Side. Ghost ROFL! Is this the Whoppi is a man theory list? Jill _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NM: USS Cole Kin Outraged by Dem Tactics
-Caveat Lector- With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff Monday November 20, 2000; 9:18 AM ET USS Cole Kin Outraged by Dem Tactics Gore campaign challenges to military absentee ballots in Florida have "made a mockery of the deaths of the 17 servicemen" who died aboard the USS Cole, an angry relative said Sunday. The charge comes from Greg Owens, whose nephew Chief Petty Officer Ronald Scott Owens was the lone Floridian killed when a terrorist bomb ripped through the Cole's hull on Oct. 12. "I'm sure most if not all of them by the nature of their job were extremely patriotic," Owens' uncle told the New York Daily News Monday. "I think they'd like to have a chance to vote." "I think it's just a big slap in the face," the uncle said of the 40 percent of military ballots trashed by Democrats in Florida. The sailor's grandmother, Mary Owens, was equally disgusted by the unpatriotic Democrat tactics. "I think she would tell them there are 17 families in the United States who are hurting and the situation right now is an absolute mockery of what their loved ones gave their lives for," Greg Owens said on her behalf. The conciliatory words of Gore running mate Joe Lieberman, who said that the military ballots should be "reconsidered" in TV interviews Sunday, did little to salve the wounds of the Owens family. "To me, the damage they caused is - what's the word - irreparable," Owens told the News. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fujimori confirms he plans to quit
-Caveat Lector- (I have always found it interesting that Peru should have a Japanese president. I do not think I would return if I were he. Sounds rather fishy) Fujimori confirms he plans to quit Peru's leader to submit resignation in 48 hours Anti-government protesters are pushed by police during a demonstration outside the Government Palace in Lima where they celebrated news Sunday that President Alberto Fujimori's plans to resign within the next two days. MSNBC NEWS SERVICES TOKYO, Nov 20 - After weeks of scandal punctuated by sometimes bizarre behavior, Peru's President Alberto Fujimori announced he will step down after 10 years of rule within the next 48 hours. Cutting short a third presidential term that was tainted by accusations of election fraud, Fujimori issued a brief statement early Monday in Tokyo and it was unclear if the president would return to Lima from his ancestral homeland. 'Fujimori cannot resign from Japan. He needs to return to Lima and have the courage to present his resignation before Congress.' - ALEJANDRO TOLEDO Former presidential candidate PRIME MINISTER Federico Salas, who first broke the news that Fujimori planned to step down, left open the possibility of the 62-year-old leader would run for Congress, a move political analysts say could guarantee him immunity from a string of corruption investigations centered on his fugitive former spy chief Vladimiro Montesinos. Fujimori, who has ruled Peru with an iron hand, refused to meet with a crowd of reporters who had gathered at his ritzy Tokyo hotel. A Peruvian embassy official, who refused to give his name, handed out a brief statement in Spanish confirming that the president would resign. "President Alberto Fujimori confirmed ... that he is resigning as president," the statement said. "In the course of 48 hours, he is going to formalize the decision with the newly elected president of the Congress." Second Vice President Ricardo Marquez said Fujimori had asked him to step in as president until special elections are held in April and a new leader takes office in July. The statement issued by Fujimori did not explain why he was stepping down. Salas said the president would give his reasons when he presents his resignation to Congress on Monday or Tuesday. "What I know is that he does not want to be an obstacle to the process of democratization so that the next elections can be elections absolutely transparent for the Peruvian people," Salas told radio station Radioprogramas. On hearing the news from Tokyo, jubilant anti-Fujimori protesters gathered in Lima's main square outside the government palace with banners reading "Thank God, the tyrant has fled." CABINET ANGRY Fujimori's ministers said they had decided to resign but would continue on until it was clear who was taking over the government. In a written statement, the ministers expressed their "indignation" that Fujimori 's announcement was "made outside the country in the context of a grave crisis and uncertainty about his return." Peruvian President Alberto Fujimori at APEC in Brunei on Thursday. Several ministers, including Carlos Bolona in the key economy portfolio, have hinted they will run in the elections. Under election rules, they would have to quit next month to do so. That could spook Peru's already struggling economy just as Bolona prepares to tie up agreement on key macroeconomic targets for next year on which $1 billion in loans hinge. Peru's military high command said in a statement that it would respect any changes in the government now that Fujimori has resigned, as long as those changes respected the constitution. In Washington, White House spokeswoman Mary Ellen Countryman said the United States would work with the Organization of American States to insure a smooth transition. "What's important for Peru is that the transition to the April 8 elections proceeds smoothly and peacefully. And we will continue to work with the OAS on that process." A State Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it is "unclear ... who will head the interim government. We urge all parties to work together to assure a peaceful orderly and constitutional transition." Fujimori's announcement came amid a growing corruption scandal around Montesinos. The scandal forced Fujimori to announce in September that he would step down in July after new elections - ending a decade of iron-fisted rule. SUCCESSION MURKY Normally under the constitution, First Vice President Francisco Tudela would assume the presidency. But Tudela presented his resignation hours after Montesinos returned to Peru on Oct. 23 after a failed asylum bid in Panama. Tudela complained that Fujimori was not in control of Montesinos and his allies. Marquez, the second vice president, had said that he, too, would resign if Congress - which last week came under
[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Aleisha's version--Mystery Unveiled
-Caveat Lector- Well, call me psychotic or maybe my lithium is out of balance but I understand what Aleisha is talking about with her Bible Code. And she was talking about it before the more recent one became mainstream. It is not a chart/graph/number/alphabet type code but more of a schedule or notation of events based on the Daily Scripture Readings listed in the front/back of the edition. You are correct that the version she has is not readily available so out of curiosity, I attempted to find what would be the most commonly available one today. I shall not bore you with how I arrived at this selection but I chose two and one of them does seem to have some interesting dates/events. For example, the day of the plane crash of JFK Jr. was a reading about "the heir apparent must be beheaded." I must get it back out and see what it says of late. From that message, I would not have deduced that JFKJ's plane would crash but an organization anticipating the event or precipitating it would be expecting it and the "code" would tell them what the date would be. It might even be a "go ahead" sign for an assassin or some other project where the members of the team could not be in direct contact with each other. Hope I did not confuse you further. Amelia i - Original Message - From: "Birds" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 9:55 PM Subject: [CTRL] Aleisha's version -Caveat Lector- Aleisha, I am not disputing at all what you are saying. I know where you are coming from. However, can someone ever get their hand on this bibles and books and codes they used A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] A Nation Divided The Call to Arms - By J.J. Johnson
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[CTRL] AP: Palm Beach Recount Stress Mounts
-Caveat Lector- NOVEMBER 19, 10:18 EST Palm Beach Recount Stress Mounts By DEBORAH HASTINGS AP National Writer Protesting in Palm Beach AP/Victor Caivano [29K] WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) At the Palm Beach County recount, everyone complains. Fingernails are too long, jewelry bumps ballot cards, Post-It notes are improperly stuck on ballot piles. But inside, counters and observers are banned from speaking or making faces. The tedious process drags on and on, and the participants are clearly unhappy. Counters, political party observers, lawyers and the local canvassing commission board slogged through Day Three of examining by hand more than 462,000 punch-card ballots. Scrutinized thus far: about 23 percent of that number. Joseph Lieberman and Bob Dole on Sunday Fatigue and stress are mounting. Uncertainty and fear have pushed politicians into taunting each other like school boys. Democrats spin on one side of the parking lot. Republicans spin on the other. About 100 reporters, photographers and television crews swing between the two like a pendulum. Republicans blame the Democrats for slowing the recount to the speed of mud. The Democrats say the Republicans did it. County Judge Charles Burton, who heads the canvassing board, has taken to blaming both parties. ``They object to everything that's going on,'' said Burton, who often steps outside the guarded voting room for a cigarette and gets mobbed by journalists. ``It's slowing us down.'' The process is fraught with tedium. Some 60 counters are here, working in shifts of about 25. Spread across an amphitheater, they sit in groups of two. Standing behind each group is a Democratic observer and a Republican observer. If any of the four find a ballot questionable for any reason, the card is placed in a pile. There is no chatting or making faces, by order of the supervisor of elections. The pile is reviewed by the canvassing board and lawyers from both parties, who decide whether the ballot is accepted or rejected. The process is bogging down at the first step, with party observers setting aside hundreds of ballots for reasons ranging from folds and creases to dimples and dents. The counters are not allowed to dispute the observers. They simply hold up the card, admonished to clasp its bottom edge, and the study tiny holes. Burton said Saturday that the observers were clogging the counting by setting aside ballots with perfectly punched holes. ``The spin for both sides is pretty obvious,'' he said. And vehement. Dennis Newman, an attorney for the state Democratic Party said Saturday the Republicans are ``cry babies'' whose ballot claims ``are ridiculous.'' Tucker Eskew, George W. Bush's campaign spokesman, said Al Gore gained votes because cards were placed in the wrong pile. Burton said that problem was fixed. And the counters, unidentified county workers forbidden from speaking with the media, look just plain exhausted. On Saturday, one whispered in a pool reporter's ear as she was leaving, ``I've had it. I'm not coming back. There are some real games going on here.'' = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] AP: Republicans: Democrat Ate Chads
-Caveat Lector- [This is really getting funny.] Saturday November 18 8:57 PM ET Republicans: Democrat Ate Chads FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) - Just when it seemed the discussion of chad could get no stranger a Republican observer is accusing a Democrat of eating some of the tiny pieces of ballot paper. Jim Rowland, a Republican observing the Broward County recount, said about 10 chads were piled on a table after counters had finished a batch of ballots. ``The Democratic floor manager looked at the pile and asked 'What are these?''' Rowland said. He said he told the coordinating observer that they were waiting to put the chads into an envelope, and then it happened. ``He licked his finger and put it in the pile. I said, 'Sir! No! Don't do that!' But he put it in his mouth and then he swept the rest up and put some in his pocket,'' Rowland said. Rowland did not get the name of the Democratic observer and said he did not report the incident to the canvassing board. He said the observer told him, ``Well, they're not the property of the Republican party.'' State Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz denied any Democrats were chad-eaters and suggested Republicans are making up tales out of frustration. ``They're losing in court, obviously getting desperate,'' she said. ``They're turning this into a circus.'' Copyright © 2000 The Associated Press. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pig Milk (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:02:24 +0200 From: yair davidi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pig Milk I received the following notice. I do not know how accurate it is. Neither do I know how it affects Jewish Law. In some cases I understand that an animal extract when reduced to its chemical constituents may no longer be considered the same as the animal. In this case, Somebody should check both points: i.e. 1. The accuracy of the report. 2. If true, how it affects those who keep the Kosher Laws. excerptFrom: "Mark Carr" To: Subject: Pig Milk Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:24:53 -0500 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] fontfamilyparamArial/paramsmallerDear Friends, If you drink milk in America, you're eating pigs! "Have you seen the little piggies, crawling in the dirt? And for all the little piggies, life is getting worse." (George Harrison, The Beatles. 1968) Observant Jews, Muslims, and vegetarians eat no pig, or so they believe. The information in this column is going to provide one very sad surprise for those who drink milk. At one time, Vitamin D-2 was added to milk. Vitamin D-2 is manufactured by exposing bacteria and algae to ultra-violet light. D-2 imparted a bitter taste to dairy products, and so was replaced by vitamin D-3. The source of Vitamin D-3 may now leave a bitter taste in your mouth. I recently attempted to learn the source of Vitamin D-3 by calling dairy processors. I called the United States Department of Agriculture. I called my own New Jersey State Department of Agriculture. I called dairy industry professors and editors of dairy magazines. Not one individual could give me the answer. Finally, I learned about an industry conference called the Vitamin D workshop. Anthony Norman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] responded to my inquiry: "Basically D-3 always is derived from an animal. The sunlight reaction that converts 7-dehydrocholesterol to vitamin D-3 is a 'pure' chemical reaction that occurs in your skin in certain cells." Do they extract D-3 from human skin and add that substance to milk? Certainly not. Marian Herbert of the Vitamin D Workshop, a division of the biochemistry department at the University of California, wrote: "The provitamin known as 7-dehydrocholesterol is extracted and isolated from the skins of mammals and purified." I have subsequently learned that Vitamin D-3 can come from four different sources: Pig skin, sheep skin, raw fish liver, and pig brains. Most of the time, Vitamin D-3 is extracted from pig skin and sold to dairy processors. Folks...Those who keep Kosher do so by observing the dietary laws set down in the Bible. In EXODUS 23:19 we read: "You shall not boil a kid in its mother's milk." Dairy and meat do not mix. That is a taboo in the homes of many Americans. Today you learn that this biblical and social "abomination" is routinely disrespected by 21st century milk producers. If you drink milk, you consume extracts from animals. In kindergarten and first grade, children learn that Vitamin D is the "Sunshine Vitamin." We soon forget our lessons, and subordinate our knowledge to dairy industry brainwashing. Some secrets are well kept. The Vitamin D-3 secret can now be told. Spread the news! Send this link through cyberspace: http://www.notmilk.com/pigmilk.htmlhttp://www.notmilk.com/pigmilk.html Robert Cohen http://www.notmilk.comhttp://www.notmilk.com = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
[CTRL] Found deep in an FR Thread (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- [Here's an interesting post from another list.] -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:39:35 -0500 From: ML/NJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Found deep in an FR Thread I'm a lurker who doesn't post often here. However, in this case I can't take it anymore. Following is my e-mail to the Justices of the Fl. Supreme Ct. It was with great sadness that I read your order of November 17,2000 in the Presidential Election Cases. Each of you has violated his/her oath of office by interfering with an oficer of the Executive Branch of Florida. I now regret that I once clerked for your court and almost ashamed to be a graduate of the FSU College of Law. It is with deep regret that I hope the Florida Legislature immediately impeaches each and every one of you. Ronald H. Hanlan WV State Bar No. 1571 Graduate cum laude FSU College of Law 1978 and a registered Democrat == This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put: unsubscribe cas A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] DRUDGE EXCLUSIVE
-Caveat Lector- X DRUDGE REPORT X SUN NOV 19, 2000 19:31:42 ET X RELEASED: DEMOCRAT MEMO ON HOW TO DISQUALIFY MILITARY VOTES **World Exclusive** The DRUDGE REPORT has obtained -- and is now releasing worldwide -- a memo circulated to Democrats throughout Florida detailing how to disqualify overseas military ballots! MORE It's been talked about. It's been flashed on TV. But now only the DRUDGE REPORT can bring you the full text. Mark Herron, a Tallahassee lawyer helping shepherd Democratic presidential election lawsuits through the local courts, sent the five-page letter to Democratic attorneys across Florida giving them tips on how to lodge protests against the ballots which heavily favored Republican George W. Bush. Bush comfortably won Florida's overseas absentee vote by 1,380 votes to Vice-President Al Gore's 750 but, after vigorous challenges by Gore canvassers, 1,527 of the postal ballots, many of them from soldiers and sailors on active service, were rejected using Herron's bluprint. Gen Norman Schwarzkopf led Republican condemnation of a five-page guide which advised Democratic tellers how to raise objections to the postal votes. He said: "It is a very sad day in our country when the men and women of the armed forces are serving abroad and facing danger of a daily basis . . . and are denied the right to vote for the president of the United States who will be their commander in chief." The 5-page memo as obtained by the DRUDGE REPORT: Date: November 15, 2000 To: FDP Lawyer From: Mark Herron Subject: Overseas Absentee Ballot Review and Protest State and Federal law provides for the counting of "absentee qualified electors overseas" ballots for 10 days after the day of the election or until November 17, 2000. Sections 101.62(7)(a), Florida Statutes defines as "absentee qualified elector overseas" to mean members of the Armed Forces while in the service, members of the merchant marine of the United States and other citizens of the United States, who are permanent residents of the states and are temporarily residing outside of the territories of the United States and the Districts of Columbia. These "absent qualified electors overseas" must also be qualified and registered as provided by law. You are being asked to review these overseas absentee ballots to make a determination whether acceptance by the supervisor of elections and/or the county canvassing board is legal under Florida law. A challenge to these ballots must be made prior to the time that the ballot is removed from the mailing envelope. The specific statutory requirement for processing the canvass of an absentee ballot including of overseas absentee ballot, are set forth in Section 101.52(2) (c)2. Florida Statutes: If any elector or candidate present believes that an absentee ballot is illegal due to a defect apparent on the voter's certificate, he or she may at anytime before the ballot is removed from the envelope, file with the canvassing board a protest against the canvcass of the ballot specifying the precinct, the ballot, and the reason he or she believes the ballot to be illegal. A cahllenge based upon a defect in the voter¹s certificate may not be accepted after the ballot has been removed from the mailing envelope. The form of the voter¹s certificates on the absentee ballot is set forth in section 101.64(1), Florida Statutes. By statutory provisions, only overseas absentee ballots mailed with an APO, PPO, or foreign postmark shall be considered a ballot. See Section 101.62(7)(c). Florida Statutes. In reviewing these ballots you should focus on the following: 1. Request for overseas ballots: Determine that the voter affirmatively requested an overseas ballot, and that the signature on the request for an overseas ballot matches the signature of the elector on the registration books to determine that the elector who requested the overseas ballot is the elector registered. See Section 101.62(4)(a), Florida Statutes. MORE MORE --- Filed By Matt Drudge Reports are moved when circumstances warrant http://www.drudgereport.com for updates (c)DRUDGE REPORT 2000 Not for reproduction without permission of the author = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor
[CTRL] Reports of multiple voting probed
-Caveat Lector- Reports of multiple voting probed Marquette survey says 174 claim they voted more than once ASSOCIATED PRESS MILWAUKEE, Nov. 14 - The district attorney of Milwaukee County is investigating a report that scores of college students may have cast more than one presidential ballot. Wisconsin was one of the closest states in the presidential contest. According to unofficial results, Al Gore defeated George W. Bush by about 6,000 votes. THE MARQUETTE TRIBUNE, Marquette University's student newspaper, surveyed 1,000 students and said it found that 174 admitted voting more than once. The newspaper conducted the survey after state Republicans on Friday alleged voting irregularities, including claims that students at Marquette and the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee voted more than once. Wisconsin was one of the closest states in the presidential contest. According to unofficial results, Al Gore defeated George W. Bush by about 6,000 votes. Milwaukee County District Attorney E. Michael McCann said his office is investigating the allegations, as well as reports that a Democratic Party volunteer gave homeless people cigarettes in exchange for votes, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported. McCann did not return telephone messages Tuesday to The Associated Press. FOCUS OF INVESTIGATION McCann told the Journal Sentinel his investigators would concentrate on the multiple voting claims. "Our focus is on those areas first, because those allegations concern crimes," he said. "It is a felony to vote a second time." Under Wisconsin law, deliberately voting twice is punishable by up to 54 months in prison and a $10,000 fine. Of the 174 Marquette students who said they voted more than once, 95 said they cast absentee ballots from their home state and in Wisconsin, the Tribune said. The 79 others told the Tribune they voted more than once in Wisconsin. Those students included 13 who claimed they voted four or more times. © 2000 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Aleisha's version--Mystery Unveiled
-Caveat Lector- Amelia you are quite correct - but my favorite for attempting to explain is Acts 19 for Apollo disaster (one newspaper published this foro me in 1970 and suddenly I had all kinds of people knocking at my door = even Peter Hurkos ex wife tried to reach me and was at my home - I would ot even open door all the way for he was phoney just like Dixon). Acts 19 deals with Princess of Wales and she was Lady in Waiting trained to be what she was to be, but good news and bad news and loose cannons about to marry into Egyptian family - for Dodi was of royal descent from Pharaohsbut this one even Bob Hope referred to in veiled reference in a movie - great fun right - three men died in a fire and he jokes about it..never did like that guy who was afforded the privilege to slander JFK in England a week or so before he was murdered - you could not do that to the Queen or Prime Minister over there So Amelia you are so right and put it so well.read story on My Name is Legion for Legionairres Disease - and swine flu timed to murder of how many legionairres? Did you know that the tents in Gulf War for our trooops were air conditioned - see Gulf War symdrome. Who was it as of late who said Stop Aid to Israel and then defend our own shores and get out of this NATO crap...the Wart Hogs? See Serbia and the return of Madelline Albright to the Homeland.Albright and Kissinger - what nice peopletrying to clean up her name will take a lot of time. Saba A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Windsor-Bush Bloodline
-Caveat Lector- My favorite ancestor was Geoffrey Plantagenet and Charlemagne and I can prove my pedigree. Ickes acts as though he is discovering what Kings and Queens are all about. Who was it = Thomas Jefferson who said America would have a new aristocracy? Well DNA tests proved he did not father a child from the slave he once owned..this one old will I have, one ancestor prior to Civil War had 120 some slaves which he freed prior to war..all but one, who got to live in his house forever until he died - his name was Sam and he was old. This one royal document I have sealed with crown, also carried symbol of the Plantagenetsand the royal crown sealed upon our family tree, makes it official. As for Ickes, do not read him..consult When the Gentry Landed and check who signed the Magna Carta and you find one ancestor of mine, the Fitzgerald on this document came from my father's side. Fortunately my family kept careful family records and old wills - as though they were waiting if they had to wait for centuries - to get back what was rightfully their estates, titles, and properties. This information I have will be given to my daughter DID ST. GEORGE REALLY SLAY THE DRAGON? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Aleisha's version--Mystery Unveiled
-Caveat Lector- BY THE WAY Amelia.the Fitzgeralds ttrace their lineage to the bible also...one as I said signed the Magna Carta when they put it to King John.and this no doubt is why the Wndsor Rose gave the White Rose a piece of Runnymead as a memorial...for JFK through his mother descended from this great line - our lines crossed in Limerick - through Lord Thomas Fitzgerald. Geoffrey Plantagenet of the Maryland Mother State in America in early creation of America aathis line crossed also in the Fitzgerald linemany descends for you see at one time, America was just one big happy family . Today we see this all being destroyed - we become a banana boat republic if Gore has his way.ever notice Gore and Albright had same noselike Vulture, not Eaglewonder if the great Eagle Challenger will try to take a chunk out of him as he did Clinton Wonder if our Eagle will be replaced with the stuffed turkey, Gore? Happy Thanksgiving Day you all - and Ameliafollow this calendar and if same one you will soon begin to see things - the names might be different but in case of the little Princess, well it was simply a matter of cursed be her going in and cursed be her going outand she was worse, for this dreadful curseshe was loose cannon. Saba A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DRUDGE EXCLUSIVE
-Caveat Lector- When you read this one remember the USS Colehow many dead sailors might have lost a vote. Remember the USS Liberty and Remember Al Gore - the guy who served in Viet Nam with a few body guards as a photographer. It will take a heap of garbage trucks to clean out this White House and in particular to keep it clean. Keep thinking of Jean Dixon's propaganda.America must be cleansed with fire so Clinton starts with Los Alamos and ends career with USS Cole? His appearance in Viet Nam whom he supported with Hanoi Jane sure got some press didn't it. Did he return to the scene of his crimes? Saba Remember it was Jean or Jeanne Dixon who said all the Kennedys would die by "divine" revelation.yet she ends up writing astrolgical column for cheap tabloid..too late Ted Kennedy wrote her boss to keep ihs family and his name out of her premeditated murders by prophecy aided with assassins bullet. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pig Milk and insulin injections, et al
-Caveat Lector- I can answer your question! I have the Medical halachah for Jews. Do you realize it is acceptable for a Jew to use pork insulin, or get skin grafts from a non-kosher animal? The halachic ruling is that the kosher law can be by-passed to save a life. However, with foods there is a great controversy in Judaism, because so many non-kosher items are sneaking into the foods. And there is still controversy with the rabbis in Israel, especially since the new genetically modified foods may contain bug genes, etc. There is an ongoing effort to keep a separate class of foods, medicines, vitamins, etc. But, there is much work to be done before it can happen. The gelatin in most yogurts is not kosher. The rennet that curdles most American cheese is not kosher, either, and most likely source is pig intestines. A good website to get more info on this issue is www.kosherfinder.com For more on this very controversial topic, read: "Biblical and Talmudic Medicine" by Julius Preuss, translated by Dr. Fred Rosner. Blessings, Dr. Deborah J. Greenhill - Original Message - From: "MICHAEL SPITZER" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:32 PM Subject: [CTRL] Pig Milk (fwd) -Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:02:24 +0200 From: yair davidi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pig Milk I received the following notice. I do not know how accurate it is. Neither do I know how it affects Jewish Law. In some cases I understand that an animal extract when reduced to its chemical constituents may no longer be considered the same as the animal. In this case, Somebody should check both points: i.e. 1. The accuracy of the report. 2. If true, how it affects those who keep the Kosher Laws. excerptFrom: "Mark Carr" To: Subject: Pig Milk Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:24:53 -0500 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] fontfamilyparamArial/paramsmallerDear Friends, If you drink milk in America, you're eating pigs! "Have you seen the little piggies, crawling in the dirt? And for all the little piggies, life is getting worse." (George Harrison, The Beatles. 1968) Observant Jews, Muslims, and vegetarians eat no pig, or so they believe. The information in this column is going to provide one very sad surprise for those who drink milk. At one time, Vitamin D-2 was added to milk. Vitamin D-2 is manufactured by exposing bacteria and algae to ultra-violet light. D-2 imparted a bitter taste to dairy products, and so was replaced by vitamin D-3. The source of Vitamin D-3 may now leave a bitter taste in your mouth. I recently attempted to learn the source of Vitamin D-3 by calling dairy processors. I called the United States Department of Agriculture. I called my own New Jersey State Department of Agriculture. I called dairy industry professors and editors of dairy magazines. Not one individual could give me the answer. Finally, I learned about an industry conference called the Vitamin D workshop. Anthony Norman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] responded to my inquiry: "Basically D-3 always is derived from an animal. The sunlight reaction that converts 7-dehydrocholesterol to vitamin D-3 is a 'pure' chemical reaction that occurs in your skin in certain cells." Do they extract D-3 from human skin and add that substance to milk? Certainly not. Marian Herbert of the Vitamin D Workshop, a division of the biochemistry department at the University of California, wrote: "The provitamin known as 7-dehydrocholesterol is extracted and isolated from the skins of mammals and purified." I have subsequently learned that Vitamin D-3 can come from four different sources: Pig skin, sheep skin, raw fish liver, and pig brains. Most of the time, Vitamin D-3 is extracted from pig skin and sold to dairy processors. Folks...Those who keep Kosher do so by observing the dietary laws set down in the Bible. In EXODUS 23:19 we read: "You shall not boil a kid in its mother's milk." Dairy and meat do not mix. That is a taboo in the homes of many Americans. Today you learn that this biblical and social "abomination" is routinely disrespected by 21st century milk producers. If you drink milk, you consume extracts from animals. In kindergarten and first grade, children learn that Vitamin D is the "Sunshine Vitamin." We soon forget our lessons, and subordinate our knowledge to dairy industry brainwashing. Some secrets are well kept. The Vitamin D-3 secret can now be told. Spread the news! Send this link through cyberspace: http://www.notmilk.com/pigmilk.htmlhttp://www.notmilk.com/pigmilk.html Robert Cohen http://www.notmilk.comhttp://www.notmilk.com = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*
[CTRL] RELEASED: DEMOCRAT MEMO ON HOW TO DISQUALIFY MILITARY VOTES
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! X DRUDGE REPORT X SUN NOV 19, 2000 19:31:42 ET X RELEASED: DEMOCRAT MEMO ON HOW TO DISQUALIFY MILITARY VOTES **World Exclusive** The DRUDGE REPORT has obtained -- and is now releasing worldwide -- a memo circulated to Democrats throughout Florida detailing how to disqualify overseas military ballots! MORE It's been talked about. It's been flashed on TV. But now only the DRUDGE REPORT can bring you the full text. Mark Herron, a Tallahassee lawyer helping shepherd Democratic presidential election lawsuits through the local courts, sent the five-page letter to Democratic attorneys across Florida giving them tips on how to lodge protests against the ballots which heavily favored Republican George W. Bush. Bush comfortably won Florida's overseas absentee vote by 1,380 votes to Vice-President Al Gore's 750 but, after vigorous challenges by Gore canvassers, 1,527 of the postal ballots, many of them from soldiers and sailors on active service, were rejected using Herron's bluprint. Gen Norman Schwarzkopf led Republican condemnation of a five-page guide which advised Democratic tellers how to raise objections to the postal votes. He said: "It is a very sad day in our country when the men and women of the armed forces are serving abroad and facing danger of a daily basis . . . and are denied the right to vote for the president of the United States who will be their commander in chief." The 5-page memo as obtained by the DRUDGE REPORT: Date: November 15, 2000 To: FDP Lawyer From: Mark Herron Subject: Overseas Absentee Ballot Review and Protest State and Federal law provides for the counting of "absentee qualified electors overseas" ballots for 10 days after the day of the election or until November 17, 2000. Sections 101.62(7)(a), Florida Statutes defines as "absentee qualified elector overseas" to mean members of the Armed Forces while in the service, members of the merchant marine of the United States and other citizens of the United States, who are permanent residents of the states and are temporarily residing outside of the territories of the United States and the Districts of Columbia. These "absent qualified electors overseas" must also be qualified and registered as provided by law. You are being asked to review these overseas absentee ballots to make a determination whether acceptance by the supervisor of elections and/or the county canvassing board is legal under Florida law. A challenge to these ballots must be made prior to the time that the ballot is removed from the mailing envelope. The specific statutory requirement for processing the canvass of an absentee ballot including of overseas absentee ballot, are set forth in Section 101.62(2) (c)2. Florida Statutes: If any elector or candidate present believes that an absentee ballot is illegal due to a defect apparent on the voter's certificate, he or she may at anytime before the ballot is removed from the envelope, file with the canvassing board a protest against the canvass of the ballot specifying the precinct, the ballot, and the reason he or she believes the ballot to be illegal. A challenge based upon a defect in the voterÕs certificate may not be accepted after the ballot has been removed from the mailing envelope. The form of the voter's certificates on the absentee ballot is set forth in section 101.64(1), Florida Statutes. By statutory provisions, only overseas absentee ballots mailed with an APO, PPO, or foreign postmark shall be considered a ballot. See Section 101.62(7)(c). Florida Statutes. In reviewing these ballots you should focus on the following: 1. Request for overseas ballots: Determine that the voter affirmatively requested an overseas ballot, and that the signature on the request for an overseas ballot matches the signature of the elector on the registration books to determine that the elector who requested the overseas ballot is the elector registered. See Section 101.62(4)(a), Florida Statutes. 2. The voter's signature: The ballot envelope must be signed by the voter. The signature of the elector as the voter's certificate should be compared with the signature of the elector of the signature on the registration books to determine that the elector who voted by ballot is the elector registered. See Section 101.68(c)x, Florida Statutes. 3. The ballot is properly witnessed: The absentee ballot envelope must be witnessed by a notary or an attesting witness over the age of eighteen years. You may note that these requirements vary from the statutory language from the Section 101.68(2)(c)1, Florida Statutes. Certain statutory requirements in that section were not proclaimed by the Justice Department pursuant to Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, Sec. DE 98-13. 4. The ballot is postmarked: With respect to absentee ballots mailed by absolute qualified electors overseas only those ballots mailed with an APO,
[CTRL] Angry Hill Republicans Would Reject Gore Presidency
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Angry Hill Republicans Would Reject Gore Presidency By Eric Pianin and Juliet Eilperin Washington Post Staff Writers Monday, November 20, 2000; Page A8 Growing GOP anger about the recount in Florida could make it much more difficult â if not impossible â for Vice President Gore to forge consensus on Capitol Hill even if he were to gain the presidency, according to lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. Although they staunchly back his aggressive legal tactics in seeking a hand recount of votes, some Democrats fear that if Gore prevails and wins the election, a conservative backlash could cripple his presidency and lead to a reprise of the bitter feelings that attended the impeachment of President Clinton. Already, some prominent Republicans, including former Senate majority leader Robert J. Dole (R-Kan.), have mentioned the possibility of a boycott of the inauguration if Gore is elected president over George W. Bush. And House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) has circulated a staff memorandum to congressional Republicans pointing out that the House and Senate can reject a state's electoral votes if they decide that the votes are tainted. Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) said in an interview that he and other Democrats are concerned about the growing intensity of Republican outrage over Gore's tactics-and what that might mean for the future if Gore is elected. "I think Gore has handled [the election recount] as well as he could, but it's a very delicate situation," Durbin said. "If he ends up the president, he will feverishly reach out to members to try to build bridges. But he will be carrying some Clinton-Gore baggage that's going to keep some Republicans from wanting to work with him." A Senate Democratic leader added, "The depth of resentment and the extraordinary hostility the Republicans already have demonstrated towards the vice president is far greater than the somewhat mild opposition that Democrats have expressed about Bush." Interviews with House and Senate lawmakers and aides suggest a growing unease on Capitol Hill over the historic post-election battle for the presidency, which could drag on for weeks and eventually come before the House to be resolved. House GOP Chief Deputy Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), who is advising the Bush campaign in Austin, warned that a Gore win in Florida would make Republicans question the legitimacy of the outcome. "It's difficult for me to see a way [Gore] can get there in a way that's not very troublesome," Blunt said. He noted that Democratic officials control key posts in the counties that are undergoing a manual recount, and that they have objected to hundreds of military absentee ballots: "It would be difficult for people to believe that the process wasn't cynically manipulated at the end." For the moment, the Democrats are standing firmly behind Gore. During a conference call in which Democratic vice presidential nominee Joseph I. Lieberman briefed 120 House members Friday, House Minority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) was unwavering. "We want you to know all of us are behind you," said Gephardt, who jointly issued a news release with Senate Minority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) supporting Gore's efforts to delay certification of the election. "We're there, [and] we will stay there." Moreover, some Democrats warn that if DeLay and other House conservatives try to challenge a Gore win in Florida, the repercussions would be dire. "If Republicans try to invalidate electoral votes, that certainly would poison the well," said Rep. Martin Frost (Tex.), chairman of the House Democratic Caucus. Behind the scenes, however, Democrats, who came up short in their bid to reclaim control of Congress, have begun plotting strategy for how to go about dealing with a new Republican administration. Last week, Gephardt met privately with House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) in a bid to mend their strained relations. Gephardt and other House Democratic leaders also met with the 14 freshmen Democratic House members and with the conservative "Blue Dogs" and more centrist "New Democrats" to begin mapping out a new agenda. What came through loud and clear at those meetings, said a senior House Democratic aide, was that many of these Democrats would be eager to work with a new Bush administration if that meant they could play a role in shaping tax legislation, health care reform, campaign finance reform and other key measures that have languished in Congress. "I think the conservative and moderate Democrats would eventually work with Bush," said a top Democratic aide. By contrast, he added, Gore would have enormous trouble winning support for his programs from moderate Republicans, who would be pressured by GOP conservatives to stay in line, just as they were during the impeachment proceedings. "The conservative Republicans have made it impossible for the
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Close the School of Assassins! / MEDIA ALERT!
-- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ FONT COLOR="#99"eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! /FONTA HREF="http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/2/_/1406/_/974706856/"BClick Here!/B/A -_- 1. MEDIA ALERT! [**10,000 Gather at the gates of Ft. Benning Military Base to Close the US Army School of the Americas **3,600 Risk Arrest by Crossing the Line in Civil Disobedience **Simultaneous Action in Chiapas, Mexico] 2. 1,700 Arrested at School of the Americas Protest PEACE! -- Close the School of Assassins! School of the Americas Watch http://www.soaw.org - 1. MEDIA ALERT! [**10,000 Gather at the gates of Ft. Benning Military Base to Close the US Army School of the Americas **3,600 Risk Arrest by Crossing the Line in Civil Disobedience **Simultaneous Action in Chiapas, Mexico] From: SOA Watch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MEDIA ALERT! Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:43:52 -0800 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is the press release that went out this evening on today's inspiring and totally nonviolent action. It was a triumph for all who perservered through the rain and heightened security to bear witness here at Ft. Benning. LET'S HEAR IT FOR THE POWER OF NONVIOLENT DIRECT ACTION!! We urge local groups to adapt this release for use in their local media work tomorrow and in the future. Please be aware that as of this hour (midnight EST) everyone has been released and is accounted for, to the best of our knowledge. School of Americas Watch PO Box 4566 ~ Washington DC 20017 ~ www.soaw.org PRESS ADVISORY***FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE***Nov. 19th 2000 Contact: Fr. Roy Bourgeois 706-682-5369, Randy Serraglio 706-682-3843 or 706-682-2979 **10,000 Gather at the gates of Ft. Benning Military Base to Close the US Army School of the Americas **3,600 Risk Arrest by Crossing the Line in Civil Disobedience **Simultaneous Action in Chiapas, Mexico Over 10,000 people from all over the Americas gathered at the gates of Ft. Benning today to demand the closure of the U.S. Army School of the Americas (SOA). Over 3,600 risked arrest by crossing onto the base in a massive act of civil disobedience. Thousands were called to express their outrage at the deadly impacts of U.S. counterinsurgency training on Latin American communities. An estimated 2,000 protesters were arrested and processed. Hundreds of protesters, including clergy, students, veterans, grandparents and others are still being held on the base. At 11am, about 3,400 filed onto the base in a solemn funeral procession, carrying thousands of crosses and other sacred symbols inscribed with the names of victims of SOA violence in Latin America. They were led by a group dressed in black shrouds and white death masks who carried coffins to commemorate the assassination of six Jesuit priests and their two co-workers in El Salvador in 1989 by SOA graduates. When met by military police a half mile inside the gate, the lead group fell to the ground, reenacting a massacre. They were among the first to be carried away by the military police. Once the entire first procession had completely crossed the line, 32 additional activists, dressed as campesinos and soldiers, crossed the line and staged a massacre by Colombian paramilitaries. They were immediately taken into custody by military police. Then a second procession of 200 activists with giant puppets, costumes and drums entered the base. Other affinity groups entered simultaneously through different entrances and engaged in various creative actions of nonviolent resistance, such as street-theater and the blocking of the road with their bodies. Dozens of activists planted corn in Ft. Benning soil as a symbol of life and hope. In Chiapas, Mexico 300 members of the civil society group Las Abejas fasted and prayed simultaneously with the Georgia action. At great personal risk, Mexican human rights activists planted corn in soil at a military camp in Chiapas in a coordinated symbolic action. The vigil featured speakers from Chiapas and Colombia, as well as several other Latin American nations. Both Colombia and Chiapas have been targeted for massive U.S. military aid and counterinsurgency training. Colombia has more SOA graduates (10,000) than any other nation. Paramilitary death squads are a key element of civilian targeted warfare as it is taught at the SOA. In Colombia, former Defense Minister Gen. Harold Bedoya, SOA graduate and guest instructor, has advocated the use of paramilitaries for years. In Chiapas, Gen. Jose Ruben Rivas Pena, who took the elite Command and General Staff course at the SOA, has also called for the use of paramilitaries. Paramilitaries, in collaboration with the Colombian and Mexican militaries, are now cited for the vast majority of human rights abuses in these conflicts. ìWe know the names of
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Votescam 11-20-2000
-- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ FONT COLOR="#99"eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! /FONTA HREF="http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/2/_/1406/_/974707351/"BClick Here!/B/A -_- Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com 'Slobo' Bush Sun, 19 Nov 2000 consortiumnews.com - http://www.consortiumnews.com CNN's tally of the nation's popular vote shows Al Gore leading by about a quarter million votes. It appears Gore was the popular choice in Florida, too, but for misapplied votes and other irregularities in the state governed by Gov. George W. Bush's brother. Given his status as the apparent popular-vote loser, one might think Bush would bend over backwards to ensure fairness in Florida for the tens of thousands of Gore voters whose ballots were kicked out for a variety of reasons. That way, Bush might salvage some legitimacy for his presidency should he manage to hold Florida and "win" the Electoral College. Instead, the Bush campaign has done all it could to block voters in three Democratic counties from having a manual recount, ironically after Bush benefited from hand recounts in several Republican counties. Bush's high-handed behavior could invite a new nickname -- "Slobo Bush" -- after the Yugoslavian strongman Slobodan Milosevic who lost the popular vote in a presidential election that he then tried to short-circuit. But at least Milosevic had the good grace, eventually, to bow to the popular will and let the people's choice take office. For more on Bush's double standards, go to Consortiumnews.com at http://www.consortiumnews.com * November 19, 2000 Bush Gained Hand Recounts By Mollie Dickenson Twelve days after the presidential election, two key facts seem apparent, jointly indicating that Al Gore was the popular choice for president. According to the latest CNN figures, Vice President Gore is winning the national popular vote by more than a quarter million ballots, a narrow but clear lead. Gore also appears to have been the choice of Florida voters, though thousands had their votes not count because they were turned away from the polls, mistakenly punched a hole for Pat Buchanan on an improperly designed ballot, or saw their votes kicked out by vote- counting machines. Given these twin realities, one might expect the popular-vote loser Texas Gov. George W. Bush to bend over backwards to assure that the Florida outcome enhances whatever legitimacy he might bring with him if he "wins" the White House through the Electoral College. The honorable thing would be to make sure Gore's supporters have every chance to compensate for the series of mishaps and abuses that occurred in the state governed by Bush's brother and run by his brother's cronies. Instead, the opposite has happened. For the past 10 days, George W. Bush and allies of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush have blocked Florida's southeastern largely Democratic counties from hand recounting their ballots until a deadline had passed for adding them to the total. This occurred although Bush himself received at least 418 hand- counted ballots primarily from Republican counties. Those hand- counted results made it possible for Bush to remain continuously in the lead by a margin that began at 1,784 and, publicly at least, went as low as 225 votes. On the basis of those slim and changing margins, the nation's pundits called upon Al Gore to concede Florida's 25 electoral votes and thus the presidency to Bush, despite widely reported voting irregularities involving tens of thousands of ballots. The Orlando Sentinel, for instance, reported that over 180,000 ballots had been kicked out of Florida's computerized counting machines. According to The Washington Post, 11 of Florida's 67 counties did not even conduct machine recounts, a process that had found Gore's statewide total undercounted by more than 1,400 votes. When the Democrats exercised their right to request a manual recount in three counties Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach the Republicans sought to block those recounts through state edict and a federal court challenge. The Bush campaign sued in federal district court to stop hand counting. Failing there, the campaign went to the very conservative federal court of appeals in Atlanta, where the campaign was rebuffed again. Secretary of State On the state front, Secretary of State Katherine Harris, a co-chair of the Bush campaign in Florida, issued an edict on Nov. 14 ordering the hand-counters to cease. That move was countermanded by Florida's Attorney General, Bob Butterworth, a Democrat. Still, the delays and confusion left no manual recount from those three counties finished at a deadline of 5 p.m., Nov. 14, set by Harris. At that point, Harris certified Bush's
Re: [CTRL] Angry Hill Republicans Would Reject Gore Presidency
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/20/2000 6:09:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Growing GOP anger about the recount in Florida could make it much more difficult â if not impossible â for Vice President Gore to forge consensus on Capitol Hill even if he were to gain the presidency, according to lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. Although they staunchly back his aggressive legal tactics in seeking a hand recount of votes, some Democrats fear that if Gore prevails and wins the election, a conservative backlash could cripple his presidency and lead to a reprise of the bitter feelings that attended the impeachment of President Clinton. Who cares? I don't care which candidate wins. I would just like to see the prez from one party and the congress under the control of another. If we end up with Dubya and a Republican controlled congress, you can kiss democracy goodbye. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bible codes
-Caveat Lector- The Bible codes were debunked a few years ago by more than a few Bible and code experts. There ais absolutely nothing to them. Joshua2 === Deborah Greenhill wrote: -Caveat Lector- Blessings, Tsadowq, I indeed am interested in the Greek ELS that you have, because there are NO equivalents in Greek to some of the letters in the Hebrew. The Classical Greek script carries no exact equivalent for vav, tzade and kof. I checked my equivalents chart that I got in Israel, and they also concur with this assessment. So, if someone were to assign exact numerical equivalents, letter for letter, there would have to be some type of relaxing of the alphabets to come to an agreement on the assigning of numeric value. Of course all historical and exegetical aspects are harmonized throughout Old and New Testament. I do have Drosnin's book, and do agree that he stretches the use of the Biblical numerical values way out of proportion. I would be happy to carry on this discussion further, off CTRL. Blessings, again, Dr. Deborah - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 1:15 PM Subject: [CTRL] Bible codes -Caveat Lector- Hello everyone, In a message dated 11/19/2000 12:53:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible Codes Program I have is by Bibletech Corporation of Israel. Also, to my knowledge there is no "codes" program to the New Testament. Well, I guess it depends on what type of code you are looking for. I know for a fact that there are currently ELS and gematria programs available for Old and New Testaments. Gaining info from these programs requires dedication, as each chapter must be made into individual text files which then must be further "edited" (search tags, etc.) so that the program's algorhythms will search correctly. In a message dated 11/19/2000 12:53:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aleisha keeps making some kind of reference to the codes of the New Testament, and there isn't one available to my knowledge. The same numeric code for both the Old and New Testaments. ELS may surely be found in the New Testament as well. In a message dated 11/19/2000 12:53:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Greek language of the New Testament cannot be equalized to the Hebrew in the Old Testament. The only way it can be compared is through numbers; each letter is equivalent to a number. That's how it comes up with 6-6-6 for a name. I am not sure what you mean by "equalized." The Old and New Testaments are certainly "equalized" in my own paradigm through use of biblical, exegetical, historical, and theological disciplines. I personally use the mathematical phenomenas found within the Bible to show people that numerically, the Old and New Testament are the same book. Lastly, as far as ELS goes... My own experience shows that the Bible does in fact possess certain ELS "prophecies." But, again we make note of the fact that these "prophecies" always seem to come to our attention AFTER the fact. Take a look at Drosnin's Bible Code book. I believe that this book was written in the same fashion as was Richard Preston's "Hot Zone." Drosnin's false prophecies were popularized only to be shot down statistically. Because of Drosnin, many people truly believe that there is NO Bible code. The same may be said of Preston's drivel and how it adversely affected the work of Dr. Len Horowitz. As far as Aleisha's code, wellIt sounds alot so far like Drosnin's book. Many "I told you so's" after the fact. Drosnin nor Aleisha has offered a single example of where their "code" may be observed PRIOR to the event taking place. And this is, to me, as it should be. I do not believe that ELS can prophecy the future. I believe that it will only be used to show what has taken place. ELS, or ANY Bible code will never reveal something that is not manifestly written in the Word Itself; this I say, after many years of experience in this vein of numerical prophecy. This would have to also include temura, notarikon, and many other forms of permutations. So, Dr. Deb, if you would like, email me privately on this matter of Bible codes. I would like to know if you have discovered the name of the "man" whose number is 666. Tsadowq A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
Re: [CTRL] Help needed for Streisand, Sheen, Saradon, Goldberg, Baldwin
-Caveat Lector- From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would like to see that story June..one daughter? It's been in magazines like "People", and on entertainment news shows like "Entertainment Tonight". She may have more than one child, I believe, but about a year or so ago there was a story about her daughter, who was only 17 or 18 at the time, becoming pregnant. All I know is she a real jew or is she House of Israel Jew like the Rabbi Washington who had his men infiltrate Jonestown and was arrested on old murder warrant when he returned to USA some years later. She married a Jew by the name of Goldberg, hence her name. I'm not sure whether she ever converted to Judaism. To each his own.and I prefer my own kind. So she is said now to have had an abortion, and she turned Jewish, and now she had a child and is a grandmotherdid she adopt like Rosie O'Donnelllatest trend is for homosexuals to adopt .suffer little children. Whoopie Goldberg is a female, and is not a lesbian -- she is constantly shown dating men. She has been pregnant on more than one occasion, one such occasion ending in an abortion. She gave birth to her children, she didn't adopt them. I have never seen any evidence that she 'turned Jewish', even though she at one time was married to a Jewish gentleman. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's version
-Caveat Lector- From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well June why don't you look it up in your Funk and Wagnall and spend the years of research I did with people high up in intelligence fields? Because according to you, the answer won't be found in Funk and Wagnall's, but only in this one 'special' version of Gideon's Bible which you have in your possession. Which you claim is no longer available. So you keep telling us about everything in the PAST which this supposedly coded Bible of yours predicts, and yet you are either unwilling or unable to present us even one prediction for the FUTURE utilizing this cryptic tome of yours So look that up in your Funk and Wagnall and find a Mason with the 1963 Blue Bible with all the pages out of orderand get the 1954 very special edition of the Gideon Places bible. But since you claim to have these publications, and to have had intimate encounters with the intelligence community and High Degree Masons and every member of the Illuminati and CFR and Knights Templar and Shriners and the Federal Reserve Board and the Ku Klux Klan and the Junior League and the Daughters of the Confederacy and the Mafia and the Boy Scouts and the Teamsters and the Vril Society...I'm surprised you haven't claimed communion with extraterrestials yet... Anyway, since you have had such deep and intense encounters with these groups, and you claim you have the only copy of the special Bible, then it is up to you to provide us with evidence to support your claims of its supposed accuracy...so give us a FUTURE PREDICTION. And if you are unwilling or unable to do so, then shut up about the thing! Because you're just wasting bandwidth with your babbling. Doctor of what? Passed 4 year course in ignorance in two years? Obviously another plant which has taken root Takes one to recognize -- or suspect -- one... I have made enough predictions on the web to sink another Titanic... Not here, you haven't. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's version
-Caveat Lector- From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look abuot you and see what these people are doing to the children - attempting to turn them into sodomists, drug addicts - garbage tv and movies - Whoopie Goldberg, foul mouthed but have yet to see her biography on web... Easy enough to find...try the following; according to this bio, she made up the last name of "Goldberg", but I DO remember that when she first became famous, she claimed to have been married to a Goldberg, who presumably was the father of her daughter. = http://mrshowbiz.go.com/people/whoopigoldberg/content/Bio.html Whoopi Goldberg "I don't like driving very much. That makes me very unhappy, because I scream a lot in the car, but other than that, life is actually pretty good." - Whoopi Goldberg Occupation: Actress, Comedian Date of Birth: November 13, 1954 Place of Birth: New York, N.Y., USA Sign: Sun in Scorpio, Moon in Leo Relations: Former companion: Frank Langella (actor); ex-husbands: David Calessen (director of photography), Lyle Trachtenberg (union organizer); kids: Alexandra Martin (from first marriage) Education: High School for the Performing Arts, New York CARYN JOHNSON has been performing in front of audiences since the age of 8, when she first appeared onstage at the Helena Rubinstein Children's Theatre in New York City. By the mid-1970s, the high school dropout and self-proclaimed hippie had appeared in the choruses of several Broadway musicals (Hair, Jesus Christ Superstar, and Pippin); married and become addicted to heroin; divorced and kicked her heroin habit. In 1974, Johnson, destined for far greater things, headed to L.A., with daughter Alexandra in tow. A week-long sojourn to San Diego turned into a six-year stopover, during which time she helped found the San Diego Repertory Theatre and joined several struggling improvisational troupes. It was during the San Diego chapter of her life that Johnson chose for herself an offbeat stage name: "The name came out of the blue. It was a joke. First it was Whoopi Cushion. Then it was French, like Whoopi Cushon. My mother said, 'Nobody's gonna respect you with a name like that.' So I put Goldberg on it." During her fringe-theater apprenticeship, Goldberg toiled as a bricklayer, bank teller, and funeral parlor cosmetician (she preferred working on dead people, because it annoyed her that all living customers wanted to look like Farrah Fawcett) to support herself. The inimitable mimic slowly developed a brilliant seriocomic narrative theater based on a gallery of socially disinherited characters through whom she assessed the world. While performing her solo comic Spook Show, she was discovered by director Mike Nichols, who mounted her eponymous one-woman Broadway show in 1984. The following year, she made a dazzling dramatic film debut in The Color Purple, a performance that earned her the Best Actress Golden Globe and an Oscar nomination. A fixture in the firmament of media fame from then on, the dreadlocked comedienne continued to appear live, joined the cast of television's Star Trek: The Next Generation, launched both a short-lived sitcom called Bagdad Cafe and a late-night talk show (also short-lived), and tackled numerous movie roles. Sadly, many of her film endeavors - Burglar, Fatal Beauty, Homer and Eddie, to name but a few - squandered her monolithic talent, but Goldberg scored an unqualified hit and a Best Supporting Actress Oscar with her portrayal of a garishly dressed medium in 1990's Ghost. The phenomenal, surprising success of the featherweight Sister Act (1991), led to a reported (and unheard of) $8-million return engagement in the sequel. Goldberg's projects since then have been a mixed bag of misses and hits, with clunkers like National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon, the oh-so-appropriately titled Bogus, Rob Reiner's uninspired Ghosts of Mississippi, and the Winona Ryder-produced memoir adaptation Girl, Interrupted being counterbalanced with crowd-pleasers like Star Trek: Generations, Boys on the Side, How Stella Got Her Groove Back, and The Deep End of the Ocean. Goldberg filed an interesting chapter in her career in 1998, when she returned to the small screen to take center square in the new syndicated version of The Hollywood Squares. Whoopi's rags-to-riches private life includes a Martha Stewart-esque Vermont farm to which she retreated when her unlikely affair with Cheers star Ted Danson broke up his longtime marriage. Danson donned blackface at her Friar's Club roast in 1993, and both his lame, racist jokes and their relationship fizzled. Goldberg recently ended a romantic relationship with actor Frank Langella, with whom she co-starred in the woebegone 1996 basketball comedy Eddie. In 1994 and 1996, Goldberg served as host of the Oscars, making it clear that, in a very short time, she had assumed a unique position in the Hollywood hierarchy. A
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Commentary to Bill and Amelia
-Caveat Lector- IF I were in Aleisha's shoes, I'd be speaking to a lawyer about possible legal action against Deborah. Unsolicited medical diagnosis, slander, etc. Can Deborah prove Aleisha's alleged psychosis? Tenorlove --- Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I am so sorry! You two are right--it IS friendly to feign interest for a couple of days while someone patiently explains something then call them psychotic. Deborah, below is my post. Where do I say anything about "rude comments"? I was also not aware that membership on this list included unsolicited medical diagnosis. That's a real well-adjusted thing to do in and of itself, I sauppose. Can't be too helpful nor speculative! I am so foolish that I thought physicians were prohibited from practicing on people unless they were asked to do so. Is that the purpose of the list--to speculate what might be wrong with other members? Great! This should get interesting. Amelia - Original Message - From: Deborah Greenhill To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Xmas Idea For Religious Zealots, Fanatics
Order West Nile Virus Online! by Robert Lederman© 2000 [visit http://Baltech.org/lederman/spray/ for the real West Nile Virus story] Below is the website address ( http://www.atcc.org/ ) and two pages from the ATTC (American Type Culture Collection) homepage. The second page of info [it starts about halfway through this email] is for ordering West Nile Virus (WNV). ATTC sold Sadamm Hussein West Nile Virus and 70 other bio-warfare applicable chemicals, bacteria and viruses before the Gulf War started and its director was the former head of Rockefeller University-which may be implicated in the original WNV epidemic in Uganda in 1937 [See Newsday excerpt and Rockefeller University article excerpt below]. Note: I am not suggesting (as a planted CIA disinformation piece in the media last year attempted to do) that Iraq was responsible for the NYC West Nile "epidemic" nor am I suggesting that ATTC or any of its employees were responsible. I am suggesting that WNV could have been accidentally or deliberately released into the NYC environment by any of the individuals, government agencies or bio-medical institutions that have ordered it from ATTC over the past decades. The mechanism could have been as "innocent" as experimental waste materials from a NYC research facility being carelessly disposed of. The ease of ordering this and related materials (you can order just about any toxic virus or bacteria you've ever read about from this website) makes it clear that the CDC's stated theories that WNV came into this country "in a used tire from Asia" or via "a mosquito that might have been inside an airborne Israeli tourist's clothing" or by "mosquitoes carried here in a transatlantic storm" is about as believable as the idea that we've just had an honest election. ANYONE with a couple of hundred bucks can start their own "West Nile Virus epidemic" on their kitchen table. The only screening process is to sign a form accepting responsibility. This site is worth exploring in depth. It has references to mycoplasmas and numerous other dangerous living substances used in biowarfare that can be ordered by anyone with a credit card.
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Commentary to Bill and Amelia
In a message dated 11/20/00 8:26:19 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IF I were in Aleisha's shoes, I'd be speaking to a lawyer about possible legal action against Deborah. Unsolicited medical diagnosis, slander, etc. Can Deborah prove Aleisha's alleged psychosis? This is a mailing list...OPINIONS are spouted...aren't you and your pals overreacting here??? Since when is "unsolicited medical diagnosis" actionable?? And where is the "slander"??/ And since "Aliesha" isn't her real name the whole thing just falls apart... Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's version
-Caveat Lector- From: "Deborah Greenhill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] And I would like to see which particular Bible passages she refers to, because I do have a Bible Codes Program and can look them up to see if it is just something that somebody is passing as fact that has no truth in it. What Aleisha claims to have is something other than the recent "Bible Codes" thing...she's claiming hers goes back at least to the 1950s, and she hints at a far older pedigree for it... Suffice it to say, what she is talking about has nothing to do with the other "Bible Code", and so can not be 'proven' by it. Supposedly in her 'system', various passages are keyed to a calendar date, on which a certain event will occur. But she conveniently doesn't offer us anything ELSE by which to prove its supposed accuracy, only repeats claims for historical events it supposedly predicted. And since she is either unwilling or unable to provide even ONE prediction for the future from this supposedly accurate tome, it is unclear what she is seeking to accomplish via endlessly wasting bandwidth with her unsubstantiated claims... One would think it would be easy enough for her to post this supposed calendar-code to this list, or to a website, whereby we all could assess it for ourselves...she could do a month at a time. How about it, Aleisha? Why not give us the 'codes' for, say, this coming January? June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Help needed for Streisand, Sheen, Saradon, Goldberg, Baldwin
-Caveat Lector- --- Deborah Greenhill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Blessings, And the tiny legs and large torso Aleisha comments on, are actually indications of thyroid disorder. There are three body types: edomorphic, mesomorpic and ectomorphic. I would say by looking at Whoopi that she is an ectomorph, which textbook reports that these types of body structures have problems with diabetes and thyroid functions. Dr. Deborah Have you personally examined Ms. Goldberg, and run test to confirm that she has "problems with diabetes and thyroid functions"? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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X DRUDGE REPORT X SUN NOV 19, 2000 19:31:42 ET X RELEASED: DEMOCRAT MEMO ON HOW TO DISQUALIFY MILITARY VOTES **World Exclusive** The DRUDGE REPORT has obtained -- and is now releasing worldwide -- a memo circulated to Democrats throughout Florida detailing how to disqualify overseas military ballots! MORE It's been talked about. It's been flashed on TV. But now only the DRUDGE REPORT can bring you the full text. Mark Herron, a Tallahassee lawyer helping shepherd Democratic presidential election lawsuits through the local courts, sent the five-page letter to Democratic attorneys across Florida giving them tips on how to lodge protests against the ballots which heavily favored Republican George W. Bush. Bush comfortably won Florida's overseas absentee vote by 1,380 votes to Vice-President Al Gore's 750 but, after vigorous challenges by Gore canvassers, 1,527 of the postal ballots, many of them from soldiers and sailors on active service, were rejected using Herron's bluprint. Gen Norman Schwarzkopf led Republican condemnation of a five-page guide which advised Democratic tellers how to raise objections to the postal votes. He said: "It is a very sad day in our country when the men and women of the armed forces are serving abroad and facing danger of a daily basis . . . and are denied the right to vote for the president of the United States who will be their commander in chief." The 5-page memo as obtained by the DRUDGE REPORT: Date: November 15, 2000 To: FDP Lawyer From: Mark Herron Subject: Overseas Absentee Ballot Review and Protest State and Federal law provides for the counting of "absentee qualified electors overseas" ballots for 10 days after the day of the election or until November 17, 2000. Sections 101.62(7)(a), Florida Statutes defines as "absentee qualified elector overseas" to mean members of the Armed Forces while in the service, members of the merchant marine of the United States and other citizens of the United States, who are permanent residents of the states and are temporarily residing outside of the territories of the United States and the Districts of Columbia. These "absent qualified electors overseas" must also be qualified and registered as provided by law. You are being asked to review these overseas absentee ballots to make a determination whether acceptance by the supervisor of elections and/or the county canvassing board is legal under Florida law. A challenge to these ballots must be made prior to the time that the ballot is removed from the mailing envelope. The specific statutory requirement for processing the canvass of an absentee ballot including of overseas absentee ballot, are set forth in Section 101.62(2) (c)2. Florida Statutes: If any elector or candidate present believes that an absentee ballot is illegal due to a defect apparent on the voter's certificate, he or she may at anytime before the ballot is removed from the envelope, file with the canvassing board a protest against the canvass of the ballot specifying the precinct, the ballot, and the reason he or she believes the ballot to be illegal. A challenge based upon a defect in the voterÕs certificate may not be accepted after the ballot has been removed from the mailing envelope. The form of the voter's certificates on the absentee ballot is set forth in section 101.64(1), Florida Statutes. By statutory provisions, only overseas absentee ballots mailed with an APO, PPO, or foreign postmark shall be considered a ballot. See Section 101.62(7)(c). Florida Statutes. In reviewing these ballots you should focus on the following: 1. Request for overseas ballots: Determine that the voter affirmatively requested an overseas ballot, and that the signature on the request for an overseas ballot matches the signature of the elector on the registration books to determine that the elector who requested the overseas ballot is the elector registered. See Section 101.62(4)(a), Florida Statutes. 2. The voter's signature: The ballot envelope must be signed by the voter. The signature of the elector as the voter's certificate should be compared with the signature of the elector of the signature on the registration books to determine that the elector who voted by ballot is the elector registered. See Section 101.68(c)x, Florida Statutes. 3. The ballot is properly witnessed: The absentee ballot envelope must be witnessed by a notary or an attesting witness over the age of eighteen years. You may note that these requirements vary from the statutory language from the Section 101.68(2)(c)1, Florida Statutes. Certain statutory requirements in that section were not proclaimed by the Justice Department pursuant to Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, Sec. DE 98-13. 4. The ballot is postmarked: With respect to absentee ballots mailed by absolute qualified electors overseas only those ballots mailed with an APO, PPO, or foreign postmark shall be considered valid. See Section
Re: [CTRL] Help needed for Streisand, Sheen, Saradon, Goldberg, Baldwin
-Caveat Lector- From: "Deborah Greenhill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blessings, And the tiny legs and large torso Aleisha comments on, are actually indications of thyroid disorder. There are three body types: edomorphic, mesomorpic and ectomorphic. I would say by looking at Whoopi that she is an ectomorph, which textbook reports that these types of body structures have problems with diabetes and thyroid functions. To clarify matters, would the thyroid disorder be hyperthyroidism or hypothyroidism? In my experience, hypothyroidism tends to manifest in endomorphic types. Goldberg doesn't impress me as a hypothyroid type, so I'd lean towards a possibility of a hyperthyroid disorder... I haven't heard or read anything regarding Goldberg possibly having diabetes. I know Mary Tyler Moore suffers from that disorder... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bible codes
-Caveat Lector- When the Drosnin book first came out, PAX TV network did a show on Bible Codes. Not only did they find JFK and Jesus in the codes, one of the detractors also found a code that read: DROSNIN IS A FRAUD. With hard work and creativity, there is a code for everything. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pig Milk (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Whether or not you keep kosher, cow's milk isn't the best food for humans anyway-- it was designed to feed the growing calf. Whole milk is fattening, and even skim milk has the wrong concentrations of minerals. Humans past weaning age do not need milk. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Modern Finance
-Caveat Lector- --- The Lame Humor List [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: 20 Nov 2000 14:35:54 - From: "The Lame Humor List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "The Lame Humor List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Modern Finance The Lame Humor List - http://robeo.cjb.net?lhl ** Last weeks poll was, "You are walking down the street when you see a stranger stumble and fall down. What do you do?" and the results are: Ignore the stranger and keep on walking. (5) 11% Help the stranger get up. (9) 19% Point and laugh. (4) 9% Call 911. (3) 6% Tell the stranger, "That's not a safe place to take a nap!" (5) 11% Hit the dirt and yell, "Sniper!" (16) 34% Pretend to fall down and say, "Hey! Those stumps are everywhere aren't they?" (5) 11% Be sure to take this weeks spectacular poll at Absolute Robeo, http://robeo.cjb.net?poll1120 today! ** Modern Finance In condemning that sort of modern finance that consists in getting something for nothing, the late Bishop Potter said: "I once knew a boy who would have made a splendid financier. This boy, strolling through the streets, he never had anything to do, met another. 'I wish,' he said, 'I had a nickel, Then I'd buy a good 5-cent cigar and go into the woods and have a smoke.'" "'I have a nickel,' said the other boy." "'Have you?' the first cried eagerly. 'Then let's form a corporation.'" "'All right. How is it done?'" "'I'll be the president. You'll be the stockholder. The nickel will be the capital and well invest it in tobacco.'" "The thing was agreed to and the president, taking the stockholder's five cents, bought a cigar. Then he led the way to the woods. There he sat down on a log, lit up and began to smoke skillfully." "The stockholder waited for his turn to come. He waited very patiently. But the cigar diminished. One-third of it disappeared and still the president showed no signs of satiety." "'Say!' exclaimed the stockholder at last, 'don't I get a turn here?'" "The president, knocking off the ashes, shook his head. 'I don't see it,' he said." "'But what,' shouted the angry stockholder, 'do I get for my capital?'" "'Well,' said the president, 'you can spit.'" ** I'm smiling all the time because I can't hear a word you are saying. ** So, here we are at the end of another smashing Lame Humor posting and the question arises, "What should I do next?" HEY! I've got it! Why not tell everyone you know about Absolute Robeo and the Lame Humor List? Help the list grow by telling your friends and family and your friends and families friends and family and then, do it again! :) Robeo ** The Lame Humor List - ISSN: 1530-3128 - http://robeo.cjb.net It is not the intention of this publication to publish copyrighted work without the authorization of the original author. If you find an authors copyrighted work in this publication, please notify The Lame Humor List at [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that we may give full credit to the author and remove the author's post(s) from the archives. Unless otherwise noted by a copyright notice and/or byline, The Lame Humor List assumes that the humor articles contained in this publication are not copyrighted and The Lame Humor List does not make any copyright claims to them. __ To unsubscribe, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to effectively manage your Accounts Receivables? Need to maximize cash flow? Now, you can with Freeworks' FREE ONLINE ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE MANAGER! Create invoices, track receivables, review account statements and much more! http://www.bcentral.com/listbot/Freeworks __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Votescam 11-20-2000
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[CTRL] Fwd: [NA] Land of CHAD Part II
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide
everything."
attributed to Communist Tyrant Josef Stalin
November 20, 2000 NA (Network America) e-wire
Land of CHAD Part II
Today we bring you a second and even more devastating testimony from
Curt Tomlin, Major USA retired -- against the offical chad stories
being pushed by the Big Media. While I both appreciate and respect the
source of this testimony, -- since we only have limited time and space
I must bluntly correct two glaring imprecisions in the conclusions at
the end of this invaluable testimony. I hope Mr. Tomlin will please not
take offense, as certainly none is intended. His testimony is
devastating -- not only against all the Board of Elections that have
used this fraud-fraught IBM punch card system for the last 25 years, but
also for the inexcusable Big Media cover-ups in the past, and the Big
Media spin on the chad stories we are now hearing.
If the uncritical parroting of these chad spins in virtually all the
comments by virtually all the anchors and reporters at the Big 5 TV
Networks proves anything, -- it proves that these on screen actor-anchor
people simply repeat the research and stories handed to them. Those who
decide what facts and what investigative reporting reaches the anchors
to repeat on screen -- are unknown to the public, and are the real
controllers at the major networks for the Ruling Elite.
Although some or many of you may have seen this Tomlin testimony on the
internet, keep in mind that our Network America e-wires go up on the
World Wide Web at votefraud.org to be preserved for the future for all
to see.
Yesterday we posted the testimony of Sarah Foster a typical citizen
(as far as participating in the election process is concerned) who has
worked at a number of polling places on election day, and who testified
that chad was never a problem when the IBM punch cards were used.
Sarahs testimony coincides with John Weistkittels who worked a polling
place in Cincinnati this November 7th, with this writers (as someone who
has voted on the IBM punch card system for 27 years), with my fathers,
with my ten brothers and sisters, with the testimony of everyone I have
ever been able to talk to about this in Cincinnati, or in Ohio, or in
the United States of America. Chad has never been a problem. Not
pregnant chad, not hanging chad, not dimpled chad, not swinging chad,
not partially punched chad. The mere litany of the above indicts all the
Board of Election officials and Secretaries of State who have
continuously approved and continuously kept such a system -- and the
local and national controlled Media which has brutally covered up the
facts for 25 years to to protect all these election officials.
The following is a second testimony about the CHAD hoax that is being
perpetrated on the American people right now. It is published by a
former military man who was assigned to President Kennedy's personal
battle staff as Technical Adviser on information collection and
processing. He was in charge of all mechanical/computer processing of
all information processed by his Battle Staff.
Here is this testimony on the reality of chad. At the end we will quote
2 parts of the conclusions the retired Major offers at the end of his
testimony, with our comments on why we believe these conclusions are
incomplete, and therefore unintentionally underplay the seriousness of
the hoax in progress.
Mr. Tomlins article and testimony begins here:
THE "CHAD" EXPOSE - FACT OR FICTION
So Called "Chad" Problem With Count Is A Smoke Screen
{ Online Format: http://www.afa.net/CHAD.shtml }
By Rev. "Curt" Tomlin
Major USA Ret Pres. of The Christian Alert Network
November 16, 2000
It is not very often that I avail myself of the opportunity to write an
exposé on any given subject. However in this particular case, I feel
that I have an obligation to my fellow Americans to explain, clarify,
and clear all the "smoke and mirrors" confusion that has been fed to the
American people concerning the recounting of punch card votes in
Florida.
The controversy primarily centers around a tiny thing call a "chad." A
"chad" is that tiny piece of paper (card) that is removed from the (IBM)
punch card when a person records their vote or any other character of
data.
FIRST: For over 24 years this writer was deeply involved in processing
information on ALL types of punch card processing equipment. For
example, some years ago I was part of the operating staff of the
Personal
Accounting Machine Installation for the Pacific Fleet (PAMI PAC FLEET-
normally referred to as PAMI) stationed at NAS, North Island, San Diego,
California.
During the several years I was part of the operating staff at PAMI, our
mission was to maintain, on a daily basis, over 255,000 Navy personnel
records for the entire United States Pacific Fleet. At that time, each
personnel record consisted of not less that five (5) IBM punch cards
which
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Save Your Nation? Heroin Prices Drop
- Forwarded Message - DATE: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:41:49 From: policy.office(a)mihra.org (Roger Bunn) To: msdarkstar(a)mailcity.com (Claudia K. White) ^^^\| ||\ Opium Express | ||',""|""\___, __ | ||__|'__|___|| [""(@)'(@)"""**|(@)(@) November 2000 No: 11 - 16 Drugs Heroin price tumbles but no thanks to junta Reporter: Maihoong S.H.A.N. sources reported this morning prices of heroin and opium have been dropping the last few months that owe nothing to Rangoon's rulers. The price of heroin in Mongton, opposite Chiangmai, has fallen to B. 220,000 per jin (1 jin = 700 gm) from B. 280,000 and 1 joy (1 joy = 3.6 kg) of opium is only K. 30,000 (B. 3,000) now, they said. One reason is that amphetamines, despite seizures and arrests, are still easier to hide than heroin. Another reason is that there has been a 'lull" in the foreign demand. Source, however, does not think the State Peace and Development Council has anything to do with the present development. "One argument is that there are at least 5 refineries around Mongton: Nakawngmu (Lahu), Namhukhun (Lahu), Hopang-Hoyawd (Wa), Huey Khailong (Chinese) and Mongkhid (Wa). Any one of the 4 battalions in Mongton: IB 65, IB 277, IB 225 and LIB 519 can wipe them out easily enough, but they are busy fighting the Shan State Army instead," said one. Another source agreed. "Junta officials are also busy aiding and abetting the drug operators", he said. He cited the latest news report he had received. On 15 November, two Chinese with family-names of Luo and Zhou came from Thailand to meet with Ja-he, a Lahu from Nawngpayen, Mongton Township, who took them to 'Hsaw Hsing', a Chinese from Nawng-ook (Ban Arunothai) Chiangdao District, Chiangmai Province) who had fled there from drug officials over a year ago. Hsaw Hsing in turn drove them to the IB 65 command post northeast of the town to show them the amphetamines produced by 'Li Hsien' at Huey Khailong, north west of Mongton, and stored at the battalion headquarters for security. According to the source, Luo and Zhou agreed to buy 400,000 pills at the price of B. 10 each. B. 1,500,000 was paid by the buyers as advance with a promise to settle the remainder on Thursday, 23 November. On 17 November, the two buyers with their "goods" were escorted by Bo Htun Shwe, company commander, IB 65, with 35-men to a border crossing point 3 miles east of BP (Border Pass) 1 in 4 trucks (3 from Mongton and 1 from Nawngpayen) he said. ///END\\\ For further information, please contact S.H.A.N. at: Shan Herald Agency for News. e-mail: shan(a)cm.ksc.co.th http://www.shanland.org S.H.A.N. is a non-profit, independent Shan media group. It is not affiliated to any political or armed organization. - End Forwarded Message - = Claudia White~Main Line News Campaign International http://www.angelfire.com/ut/Angel1 Complet Web Read of Archives: http://www.egroups.com/messages/MainLineNews = Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ FONT COLOR="#99"eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! /FONTA HREF="http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/2/_/475667/_/974726136/"BClick Here!/B/A -_-
Re: [CTRL] Bible codes...
-Caveat Lector- Hello everyone, In a message dated 11/20/2000 5:21:26 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible codes were debunked a few years ago by more than a few Bible and code experts. As I said in a previous CTRL thread on this subject, I am not a big fan of using ELS to prophecy. I believe that the examples given by Drosnin were purposely weak -- the strawman set up to be knocked down so that scoffers and unbelievers alike would feel they have solid ground to stand on. It is much easier for these weak minds to simply dismiss ALL possibilities of the Bible having a Divine Origin. Afterall, some amazing code in the Bible would seriously challenge the unbeliever and skeptic. Nonetheless, Gematria; Temura; Notarikon; etc.; fall under a completely different category (and practice) of mathematical codes and permutations. In a message dated 11/20/2000 7:48:26 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When the Drosnin book first came out, PAX TV network did a show on Bible Codes. Not only did they find JFK and Jesus in the codes, one of the detractors also found a code that read: DROSNIN IS A FRAUD. With hard work and creativity, there is a code for everything. My previous statements on ELS apply here as well. Disconcerting it is, how well the Drosnin ploy worked... This fact is easily observed from the gaggles of cyber-know-it-alls who feel secure in their pseudo- intelligence gained by perusing a few web pages which wrestled with ELS Bible codes. Suddenly, these people rise up to presumptively and authoritively tell us that because they read it some where on the web, there is no such thing as ANY Bible code. Well...wake up to history, boneheads. The recognition of Gematria is as old as the first scribes/priests who first began recopying the MSS. How amusing it is to me, that some people believe they can dismiss such an ancient form of mathematics...all because they feel full of knowledge after taking the time to read four whole pages in a magazine or off of some website. Tsadowq A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Colombia dollar factory cracked
-Caveat Lector- from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1029000/1029480.stm Click Here: A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1029000/1029480.s tm"BBC News | AMERICAS | Colombia dollar factory c /A - Saturday, 18 November, 2000, 11:08 GMT Colombia dollar factory cracked The factory had been dug into the side of a mountain A joint operation by Colombian police and the US secret service has raided a massive counterfeiting laboratory capable of churning out $3m in fake bills every week. It was only after undercover agents infiltrated the counterfeiting ring that Colombian police and US secret service agents found the underground printing factory buried in the side of the Andes mountains, in western Colombia. This unfortunately, is a national talent, because these are self-trained counterfeiters who produce with a great degree of perfection General Alfonso Arrellano In the laboratory they found a printing press and all the necessary materials to produce $100, $50 and $20 bills. Colombian police General Alfonso Arellano, estimated the criminal network had been operating for up to 10 years and that in that time it could have produced anything up to a billion dollars' worth of fakes. Second found The raid was the result of almost two years' investigative work by 100 Colombian police backed up by US secret service agents. This is the second such counterfeiting ring to be exposed this year. Ten Colombians were arrested in August and accused of producing up to $40m worth of bogus money. The find highlights a problem in a country known more for drug trafficking. According to the US embassy 30% of counterfeit money circulating in the United States is from Colombia. Some $22m in Colombian-made fake dollars has been seized in the United States since 1985. "This unfortunately, is a national talent, because these are self-trained counterfeiters who produce with a great degree of perfection," said National Police General Alfonso Arrellano. Journalists flown to the site saw $3m in bogus bills lying in stacks on the table in a room dug out of mountains near Versalles. Bills were found hanging by clips from string stretched across the small room. Police said that most of the money was destined for neighbouring Ecuador, which officially switched to the dollar in September as the country's official currency. ©BBC - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [The_Spike] Global warming affecting us in Arctic
In a message dated 11/18/00 8:11:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ept in extreme cases like Fluid Catalytic Crackers in the oil industries. We would all have healthier, longer, cleaner lives -if the government imposed more stringent, (read expensive), requirements that industries clean up their messes. This is true - regardless - if global warming is due to a blip - or otherwise. I agree, Kasha- but unfortunately, the industries have too much pull, through their lobbying organizations. in Texas, compliance with EPA emission standaqrds is almost voluntary,the fine is so little . And even here in the East where fines are much heavier it doesn't seem to stop them. Peace Mary -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ FONT COLOR="#99"eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! /FONTA HREF="http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/4/_/665758/_/974737993/"BClick Here!/B/A -_- Moderator: Jimmy Boy Dial http://www.thespike.com Community email addresses: Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/The_Spike
Re: [CTRL] Bible codes
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/20/00 8:48:26 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When the Drosnin book first came out, PAX TV network did a show on Bible Codes. Not only did they find JFK and Jesus in the codes, one of the detractors also found a code that read: DROSNIN IS A FRAUD. With hard work and creativity, there is a code for everything. Tenorlove Drosnin's book mentions Oswald as JFK's killer and of course he was not. I think the Bible is written in code and that it takes a specific orientation of the heart of the reader to break it. Jesus said, "You do not speak my language,", ie, the language of the spirit, in my understanding. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] RELEASED: DEMOCRAT MEMO ON HOW TO DISQUALIFY MILITARY VOTES
-Caveat Lector- This is an outline of the rules and regulations regarding acceptance of overseas ballots. To try to make it out to be something hideous and sneaky is hideous and sneaky. Samantha In a message dated 11/20/00 5:05:41 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The DRUDGE REPORT has obtained -- and is now releasing worldwide -- a memo circulated to Democrats throughout Florida detailing how to disqualify overseas military ballots! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bible codes...
-Caveat Lector- such as? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2000 16:13 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bible codes... Afterall, some amazing code in the Bible would seriously challenge the unbeliever and skeptic. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] United States pledges to be APEC driving force
-Caveat Lector- United States pledges to be APEC driving force AFP - BANDAR SERI BEGAWAN, Nov 14 (AFP) - - The United States pledged to remain the driving force of APEC despite its presidential election upheaval, as regional leaders converged on Brunei Tuesday seeking to unite theunsteady economic showcase.Critics say the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) forum is in danger of unravelling by not addressing and resolving core issues, especially involving trade liberalisation and the "digital divide." US President Bill Clinton, who was scheduled to arrive in the oil-rich sultanate late Tuesday, had given no thought to cancelling the trip because of the election uproar, National Security Advisor Sandy Berger said.Clinton, the architect of the annual APEC leaders' summits, has signaled he will work towards firing up the stalled World Trade Organisation (WTO) global liberalisation talks. But the lame-duck leader will arrive in Brunei to find the draft script for the leaders' declaration calling for a WTO agenda to be set by the end of next year, without setting a date for the talks. The US, supported by other wealthy economies within APEC, has argued strongly for a WTO round in 2001. But in meetings of senior officials and ministers it was forced to give way to a Malaysian-led developing nations' lobby insisting an agenda be set first. US Trade Representative Charlene Barshefsky told reporters Tuesday that a WTO round next year could not be ruled out if an agenda was agreed, and said Clinton's influence in APEC should not be underestimated. "There is no question that Bill Clinton has been an extraodinary force within APEC," she said, acknowledging "uncertainties in some countries over the outcome" of the US presidential ballot. "But the bottom line is the United States will always remain a driver in APEC just as we are a driver in WTO ... and the next president of the United States will continue to be a driver." Singapore Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong, leading the international pack on free-trade agreements (FTAs), warned they should not be pursued at the expense of a multilateral trading system. "We must continue to invest efforts towards the launch of a new (WTO) round, to ensure that the gap between FTAs and the WTO does not grow so wide that it becomes irreconcilable," he said. But Barshefsky argued the leaders' summit would remain relevant, not only for APEC's own agenda but for drawing the leaders of over half the world's economies together on an annual basis. At this APEC summt, Clinton will hold sideline meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin, South Korean President Kim Dae-Jung and Chinese President Jiang Zemin. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
