[CTRL] Worries of 'Mad cow' contamination lead panel to urge barring some blood donors
-Caveat Lector- (Prions...) Worries of 'Mad cow' contamination lead panel to urge barring some blood donors Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Associated Press By LAURAN NEERGAARD GAITHERSBURG, Md. (June 2, 1999 10:06 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - Some Americans who visited Britain frequently during the mad cow disease scare should be forbidden to donate blood back home, a federal panel recommended Wednesday. The advisers to the Food and Drug Administration expressed concern about a theoretical risk that a similar human brain disease might be able to spread through blood. Panel members stressed that their vote did not mean that frequent travelers to Britain are at risk of getting a fatal illness linked to mad cow disease - or of spreading it through their blood. The problem is that scientists just don't know if the illness can be spread that way. There's never been a human case where that happened. But at issue is a new fatal disease that doctors don't yet understand - and some scientists have successfully transmitted similar illnesses to animals through blood. "The day you find out there is (human) transmission, you're years too late" to protect the blood supply, warned Dr. Linda Detwiler of the U.S. Agriculture Department as the panel voted 12-9 that FDA should forbid some blood donations. The FDA is not bound by its advisers' recommendations, but typically follows them. If it does so in this case, it must decide how long someone had to stay in Britain to be deemed enough of a risk to refuse their blood. That's crucial because an American Red Cross study found almost 23 percent of recent blood donors had traveled to Britain at least once between 1980 and 1996. If the FDA barred them all, the United States would face a critical blood shortage. The advisory panel said the concern is not a typical week-long tourist trip. Instead, a majority said Americans must have spent a total of over six months in Britain between 1980 and 1996 before being blocked from donating blood. Some advisers wanted the time extended to over a year, excluding fewer people. Blood donations are dropping every year even as demand for blood increases, and every summer and during holidays parts of the country experience serious shortages. If the FDA blocks travelers who spent a total of six months in Britain, there will be a 2.2 percent drop in the U.S. blood supply, the Red Cross study said. A majority of FDA's advisers said even though the risk is only theoretical, it makes sense to be conservative in protecting the public. Some noted that critics say the AIDS epidemic might have been mitigated had doctors taken a more aggressive stand to protect the blood supply in the early 1980s. At issue this time is an infection that kills by literally eating holes in brain tissue. In cows, this condition is called mad cow disease - and from the late 1980s through 1996, British cows suffered an epidemic. Mad cow disease also has been found in cattle in certain other countries, but Britain was hardest hit. About one in 1 million people around the world gets a similar brain disease called Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, or CJD. Although CJD sometimes is hereditary, usually its cause is not known. The worry about blood stems from Britain's discovery in the mid-1990s that some people caught a new variety of CJD apparently by eating beef infected with mad cow disease. Named "new variant CJD," it has claimed 39 British victims. There is no known mad cow disease in U.S. cattle, the United States has not allowed importation of British beef for over a decade and no American has caught new variant CJD. But because these brain diseases can incubate for years without causing symptoms, some scientists say the possibility exists that years from now they will discover a link between blood transfusions and infection. Indeed, doctors are closely watching Britain to see if that happens. The British government now imports drugs made from blood plasma from other countries, although British researchers told the FDA panel Wednesday that they simply cannot predict the risk, if any. Canadian health officials last month decided they, too, would determine how to block blood donations from certain Canadians who traveled to Britain. Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what
[CTRL] Drug War is Race War
-Caveat Lector- US customs agents search based on race, panel told By Christopher Wilson WASHINGTON, May 20 (Reuters) - After a rash of incidents involving what has come to be known as ``racial profiling,'' a House of Representatives panel on Thursday heard testimony from two women who said they had been subjected to humiliating body searches by U.S. customs officials because they are not white. The hearing showed a growing recognition on Capitol Hill, by the Justice Department and in state capitals around America that police, customs officials, immigration agents and other authorities may be using the ``profiling'' to target blacks and other minorities for checks, questioning and searches, only because of their race. The women -- Janneral Denson, who is black, and Amanda Buritica, a Colombian-born Hispanic -- gave a House Ways and Means Oversight subcommittee separate accounts of how they were detained by customs agents while trying to reenter the United States at airports after travelling out of the country. The women detailed how they were held incommunicado for hours, made to undergo intrusive ``body cavity'' searches to determine whether they were carrying drugs and forced to drink laxatives to induce bowel movements. They were detained without charges, denied lawyers and not allowed to contact their families. Neither woman was found to be carrying any contraband and both were released by the Customs Service without apology. Customs Service Commissioner Raymond Kelly said the agency's policies did not allow officers to base decisions on who would be searched on race and defended body searches as necessary in the war on drugs. But he agreed the service had to be more considerate of the trauma such searches entail. ``That the government has such authority over its own citizens is troubling,'' said John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat whose past as a civil rights activist has made him a leading voice on race issues in Congress. ``That such authority may be exercised in a racially discriminatory manner is chilling.'' Denson, the mother of two children who was pregnant at the time, was handcuffed at one stage of her ordeal. She later suffered bleeding and diarrhoea and her third child was born prematurely by emergency caesarean section. ``At this point we do not know what permanent effects the premature birth will have on my son,'' she told lawmakers. ``What I and many other African-Americans have gone through points to a great failure in our country. Conduct such as this is both illegal and un-American and in the long run can only serve to drive a wedge between you, the government, and the citizens of our country.'' The House subcommittee heard that customs inspectors conducted 50,892 personal searches of airline passengers in 1998. Black or Hispanic people made up 43 percent of those searched yet those races make up only 24 percent of the U.S. population according to U.S. Census Bureau data. In trying to find a balance between protecting the rights of its citizens and the ``zero-tolerance'' doctrine widely practiced in law enforcement, America is being confronted increasingly with the dilemma of racial profiling. Highway police in different part of the country routinely use traffic stops for minor offences as a pretext to search motorists for drugs, weapons or evidence of any other criminal activity. Anecdotal and statistical evidence shows many more people of colour are targeted for these stops than whites. The black community calls this ``driving while black.'' Police and other law-enforcement agents maintain the practice does not reflect prejudice so much as a focus on high-crime groups. They point out that roughly half America's prison inmates are blacks, although blacks comprise just 12 percent of the overall population. Several state courts are hearing complaints about such cases involving law-enforcement authorities, but there is now a move afoot to compile national statistics on such cases. Last month President Bill Clinton's administration said it would take steps to stop the use of racial profiling and Attorney General Janet Reno said the Justice Department was investigating what could be done about law-enforcement agencies that appear to target black and Hispanic minorities. ACLU: Drug War Based on Race By DONNA DE LA CRUZ .c The Associated Press NEW YORK (AP) -- Civil rights activists say a casualty from the war on drugs has been a sharp increase in the incidence of racial profiling by law officers patrolling highways across the country. ``Skin color has become a substitute for evidence in a way that really resembles Jim Crow justice on the nation's highways,'' Ira Glasser, head of the American Civil Liberties Union, said Wednesday as the group released its report on the controversial practice. The Drug Enforcement Administration's ``Operation Pipeline'' has trained at least 27,000 law enforcers to use race as a factor in spotting potential drug couriers, Glasser
[CTRL] US Marines as NATO Peacekeepers
-Caveat Lector- Marines May Be Part of Kosovo Plan By ANNE GEARAN .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) -- If diplomacy brings a swift end to the 11-week bombing campaign in Yugoslavia, U.S. Marines probably would be among the vanguard of an international peacekeeping force there, a Pentagon spokesman said. Marines from the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit already are stationed nearby in the Adriatic Sea, and could be in the disputed Kosovo province inside a day, Pentagon spokesman Kenneth Bacon said. The Marines would be part of an ``enabling force'' to seize control before a much larger, more permanent contingent of U.S. and European troops moved in, Bacon said Wednesday. Army troops from the Southern European Task Force in Italy probably would go in early as well, Bacon said. NATO is planning for a force of about 50,000 soldiers, engineers, military police and others to establish order in Kosovo once the bombing stops and safeguard the return of ethnic Albanian refugees. The alliance is deciding how to divvy up responsibility for the peacekeeping mission, and could begin to position more troops near Yugoslavia soon. If the bombing drags on for several more weeks, those forces could be in place and ready to go into Kosovo without help from the first wave of Marines, Pentagon officials said. In Belgrade on Wednesday, Russian and European Union envoys hand-delivered a peace plan to Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic. Moscow's envoy said he believed it was the first step toward ending the Kosovo standoff. U.S. military service chiefs planned to meet with President Clinton today to discuss the conflict, including the possibility of an eventual ground invasion to oust Serb forces should diplomacy fail. Defense Secretary William Cohen said while ground forces would come up during the meeting, the Clinton administration remained committed to the NATO strategy of airstrikes. ``There is no other planning,'' for ground troops apart from those involved in peacekeeping, Cohen said. Originally, the United States had offered to send 4,000 peacekeepers for a 28,000-member international force, but the U.S. commitment was upped as the anticipated peacekeeping needs grew. Clinton on Wednesday said he was increasing the U.S. pledge for a Kosovo peacekeeping force to 7,000 troops, while saying America must not grow weary and ``abandon a just cause'' in the conflict with Yugoslavia. The bulk of about 7,000 U.S. troops would come from Army units already stationed in Europe, including three tank battalions, Bacon said. About half the U.S. commitment in a postwar Kosovo would be combat soldiers and the other half noncombat troops. ``This is what right now we see as the type of force that will be self-contained and be able to provide the engineering capability, the patrolling capability, the internal force protection security capability that's necessary,'' Bacon told reporters. The U.S. contribution probably would include three armored battalions from the 1st Infantry Division, nicknamed the ``Big Red One,'' in Germany, which would translate to roughly 3,000 soldiers with tanks and other heavy armor; several battalions of Army engineers; an aviation group with transport and attack helicopters; a military police battalion; and an artillery battalion. Bacon stressed that the makeup could change somewhat before peacekeepers deploy. Kosovo is a province of Serbia, which in turn is the dominant republic in Yugoslavia. NATO bombing was intended to stop ethnic crimes in Kosovo, where Serb troops have allegedly killed and terrorized ethnic Albanians. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] N. Korea Woos China
-Caveat Lector- Note that when the US envoy was in N. Korea recently, that country's president didn't even bother to meet with him personally. N. Korea Tries To Mend China Ties SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- North Korea's No. 2 leader was to depart for Beijing Thursday to try to mend frayed relations with China, the belligerent communist nation's last ally. The five-day trip by Kim Yong-nam, head of the presidium of the Supreme People's Assembly, caps a year of effort by both countries to restore relations to their pre-1992 level. It was in that year that Beijing opened relations with South Korea, sending North Korea into a funk that deepened with the death of its legendary leader, Kim Il Sung, two years later. The earlier collapse of the Soviet Union and communist dictatorships in Eastern Europe had already deprived North Korea of close diplomatic and trade relationships with those nations, and China's recognition of Seoul was a crowning blow. Although Kim is the first high-level North Korean to visit China since Kim Il Sung in 1991, the two countries have exchanged diplomatic and military visits frequently over the past year. If Kim's visit is successful, Chinese Foreign Minister Tang Jiaxuan is likely to visit North Korea later this year, government officials in Seoul said. Kim, a former foreign minister, is second only to Kim Jong Il, son of the late Kim Il Sung and chairman of the National Defense Commission, the highest government agency under North Korea's constitution. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Solzhenitsyn: NATO Like Nazis
-Caveat Lector- NATO's Actions Likened to Hitler's MOSCOW (AP) -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the Russian writer and Nobel Peace Prize laureate, said Wednesday that NATO's bombardment of Yugoslavia was morally no different than Hitler's actions. ``I don't see any difference in the behavior of NATO and of Hitler,'' he was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency. ``NATO wants to erect its own order in the world, and it needs Yugoslavia simply as an example: `We'll punish Yugoslavia, and the whole rest of the planet will tremble,''' he told reporters. Solzhenitsyn spoke after being presented with the Lomonosov gold medal for his contribution to literature and history at Russia's Academy of Sciences. The academy had announced that it would give the medal to Solzhenitsyn in December, on the writer's 80th birthday. Solzhenitsyn was held in Soviet prison camps for eight years, and he turned his experiences into his life's work: books including ``One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich'' and the three-volume ``Gulag Archipelago,'' which chronicled the atrocities in the Soviet Union's prison camps. He was exiled from the Soviet Union in 1974 and returned to Russia only 20 years later. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Polluting CEO Sent to Prison
-Caveat Lector- Like 100,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean, it's a START ... Chemical Executive Sentenced BRUNSWICK, Ga. (AP) -- The former chief executive of a company that operated a chemical plant in southeast Georgia was sentenced Wednesday to nine years in federal prison for polluting the surrounding marshland. Christian A. Hansen Jr., 72, the ex-CEO of the New Jersey-based Hanlin Group Inc., also was ordered to pay a $20,000 fine over what some environmental officials have called one of the worst cases of industrial pollution in the country. Alfred R. Taylor, the former manager at the LCP Chemicals-Georgia Inc. plant, also was sentenced Wednesday to six and a half years in prison. Sentencing was delayed for Randall Hansen, another former executive of the Hanlin Group and the son of Christian A. Hansen Jr. The LCP plant was closed in February 1994 and declared a Superfund cleanup site by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. The EPA said the 550 acres were rife with contaminants including mercury, lead, polychlorinated biphenyls and refinery wastes. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Recommended Reading
-Caveat Lector- I'm interested in this one, although, what is the Aurora? Jamie (2)*Icefire*, by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens, Pocket Books, 1999, pb; $5.59 at Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067101403X/qid=928339881/sr=1-2/002-0 162189-0076639 If this book were just a techno-thriller in the Tom Clancy style, it would worth reading. But it is somewhat more. On one level *Icefire* is the story of a Nuclear Emergency Search Team (NEST) officer and a Greenpeace-type environmentalist as they race to head off a global catastrophe. A mysterious conspiracy (whose identity becomes clear as the plot evolves) plants six nuclear devices on the Ross Ice Shelf in Antarctica. When the bombs go off, the ice slams into the ocean at 500 miles an hour, and a monster wave is born that will soon threaten everything in the Pacific basin. I would recommend the book just for the excitement...but there's more. Of particular interest to CTRL will be the segments dealing with (are you ready for this?) HAARP and the Aurora, including a fascinating and quite plausible account of what flying the Aurora would be like. The book's authors obviously have some sort of inside information, because their detail rings *very* true. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Wednesday, June 2, 1999
-Caveat Lector- from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS subject: AANEWS for June 2, 1999 A M E R I C A N A T H E I S T S AANEWS #580 ~~ 6/2/99 http://www.atheists.org ftp.atheists.org/pub/atheists/ http://www.americanatheist.org - A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS "Leading The Way For Atheist Civil Rights And The Separation Of State and Church" -- In This Issue... * Another blow to voucher programs * Robertson "clears deck" at Christian Coalition * Resources * About this list... APPEALS COURT: VOUCHERS NOT FOR RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS The use of public vouchers for tuition at parochial and other religious schools would violate the First Amendment separation of church and state, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit ruled last week. The decision by a three judge panel was announced yesterday; it involved a ruling in a Maine case where five Roman Catholic families had sued the state department of education, challenging the exclusion of religious schools from a public voucher program. Under the Maine voucher system which covers an estimated 14,000 students, families are subsidized for sending their children to private schools when there is not a public school in the area. The vouchers, though, can only be used at nonsectarian schools. Plaintiffs had argued that this violated their freedom of religion. Chief Judge Juan Torruella wrote that, "Writ simple, the state cannot be in the business of directly supporting religious schools." He described any payments made by a state to religious schools a "quantum leap" in legal judgment, adding, "Creating such a breach in the wall separating the state from secular establishments is a task best left for the Supreme Court to undertake..." The ruling comes one month after Maine's Supreme Judicial Court rejected an appeal by a group of families who also challenged the restriction on the voucher program. In that 5-1 decision, justices ruled that "Choice alone cannot overcome the fact that the tuition program would directly pay religious schools for programs that include and advance religion ... None of the Supreme Court's decisions to date have ever intimated that such direct subsidies of religious schools could survive an Establishment Clause challenge..." "While it may be possible for the Legislature to craft a program that would allow parents greater flexibility in choosing private schools for their children, the current program could not be easily tailed to include religious schools without addressing significant problems of entanglement or the advancement of religion..." Pat Robertson's American Center for Law and Justice had represented the families in the Circuit Court case. Jay Sekulow, ACLJ chief counsel, said that he was disappointed by the decision, but not surprised. "What the Court of Appeals has done is basically treat religious people as if they're subversive to the American public. It is penalizing religious people and religious values..." Sekulow added that his group intends to appeal the case to the U.S. Supreme Court. Groups opposing school vouchers, though, praised the decision. A spokesman for American United for the Separation of Church and State described the ruling as "monumental." Michael Simpson of the National Education Association also hailed the ruling, opining "This court got it right. Here we have a federal court who is more experienced in constitutional law matters that reads the law the right way..." Simpson added that the case will help to establish a binding legal precedent, and, "We think that decision puts the kibosh on religious school voucher efforts" in the five states covered by the Circuit Court. They include Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and the territory of Puerto Rico. This latest decision in the spreading legal war over voucher programs puts even more pressure on the U.S. Supreme Court to take up the issue and resolve the complex constitutional questions involved. State supreme courts in Arizona, Ohio and Wisconsin have weighed in on this issue, all ruling favorably on voucher and other tuition credits for religious schools. ** TATE DEMOTED, ROBERTSON TAKES CONTROL IN LATEST CHRISTIAN COALITION SHAKEUP First it was Ralph Reed. Then Don Hodel left. Now, Randy Tate is being demoted as Executive Director, and is moving into smaller quarters in a Washington, D.C. office. It's all part of a shakeup going on at the Christian Coalition, and it has some observers wondering if the powerful religious right political advocacy group can survive. News reports, including a story in today's Virginian-Pilot newspaper, confirm that the Coalition is in the midst of a significant restructuring, with founder Pat Robertson once again taking
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay.2/2
-Caveat Lector- Sorry Joshua2 but your blowing smoke. People with guns don't kill people. I see people everyday who are in posession of guns and I haven't been killed once. With regard to the hypothetical prison mentioned below... There are so few murders probably because of the fact that the prison officers HAVE SOME GUNS. Not because sharpening those spoons is such darn hard work. A sharpened spoon is another word for KNIFE. Mass killings with knives DO happen. RAWANDA? EAST TIMOR? So by your logic... Guns + people = death People + no guns = not quite as much death Guns + no people = No death Lets get rid of the people! Most of us are arseholes anyway and wouldn't it be a lovely planet without people everywhere. Well let's assume that we are looking at an high security prison for the worst possible offenders. Where are the gun deaths? Where are the accidental shootings? Prisoners who want to kill really have to work hard at it. Mass killings with sharpened spoons just don't happen. The simple straight fact is PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE. Remove either one from the equation, and the outcome changes drastically. It is easier to remove guns than people from the equation. That is why it will happen. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bank of Scotland under fire over ties to Pat Robertson
-Caveat Lector- Bank of Scotland under fire over ties to Pat Robertson Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Associated Press EDINBURGH, Scotland (June 2, 1999 11:55 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - The Bank of Scotland is being pressured to sever a proposed business link with Pat Robertson after the American religious broadcaster referred to Scotland as a "dark land" because it tolerates homosexuals. Some lawmakers told The Scotsman newspaper in Wednesday's editions that they would call for the government to pull its accounts if the Bank of Scotland does not end the affiliation. The bank acknowledged that as many as 500 accounts had been closed by customers since March, apparently because of the publicity over its dealings with Robertson. The bank has been working with Robertson on a deal, reportedly worth $48 million, to launch a telephone and Internet banking arm in the United States. On his "700 Club" television show May 18, the former presidential candidate criticized Scotland for its tolerance of homosexuals, calling it a "a rather dark land." "In Europe, the big word is tolerance," Robertson said. "Homosexuals are riding high in the media. ... And in Scotland, you can't believe how strong the homosexuals are. It's just unbelievable." The bank said Wednesday that it was considering its response to the controversy. Gene Kapp, a spokesman for Robertson, said the broadcasters' comments were taken out of context. "He indicated that Scotland has a great, proud history and like many places in Europe and in the United States, what really needs to happen is a return to the more traditional values, period. It really had nothing to do with the homosexual issue," Kapp said. "This deal is not about Pat Robertson, the religious leader," he said, referring to the Bank of Scotland link. "This is about Pat Robertson, the businessman." Lloyd Quinan, a Scottish National Party lawmaker, said he will speak out in Parliament about the bank's association with Robertson. "I certainly will be questioning whether the account with the bank can be moved," Quinan told The Scotsman. "We do not seek to damage a Scottish institution, but if a Scottish institution damages the country, then questions have to be asked." - DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Vatican, Lutherans resolve centuries-long dispute on way to salvation
-Caveat Lector- Vatican, Lutherans resolve centuries-long dispute on way to salvation Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Associated Press VATICAN CITY (June 2, 1999 11:24 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - Coming to terms in a centuries-old dispute, Roman Catholic and Lutheran officials will release an accord next week on the means of salvation, both sides said Wednesday. The Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification is meant to resolve a doctrinal debate at the heart of the 16th-century Protestant Reformation, which split Western Christianity. The Vatican and Lutheran World Federation crafted compromise language on one of the key unresolved points regarding what theologians call "justification," or how humankind achieves salvation. For the Lutherans, it depends on the grace of God, while Catholics maintain that good works are also involved. With the declaration, Catholics and Lutherans have agreed that divine forgiveness and salvation come "solely by God's grace" and that good works flow from that. Cardinal Edward I. Cassidy, president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, and the Rev. Ismael Noko, general secretary of the Lutheran World Federation, will announce joint acceptance of the document June 11 in Geneva. Agreement was announced by the two sides almost a year ago, but closing the gaps on wording took months more. The Vatican council indicated Wednesday the accord would be signed at next week's event. The Lutheran World Federation said it expected signing to come still later. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [RuMills] Why Faction 2 Wants Hillary in the Senate
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-06-02 14:53:17 EDT, you write: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = ==RUMOR MILL NEWS AGENCY == == http://www.rumormillnews.com == = Dateline:06.02.99 WHY FACTION 2 WANTS HILLARY TO RUN FOR THE SENATE On November 6, 1998, RMNews published a story saying that Hillary Clinton will run for the Senate seat in New York. After we broke this story, we received numerous letters from readers stating that we were either crazy, uninformed as to residency requirements, or agents of disinformation. It is now 8 months later, and the major media is stating that Hillary HAS decided to run. Rumors of Hillary's desire to run for the New York Senate seat started being spread in the major media in January of this year...two months after Rumor Mill News broke the story. When our Source gave us the information that Hillary was going to run for Moynihan's Senate seat, he also told us that Faction 2 WANTS Hillary to run for the Senate seat. My source asked that we not publish the information he gave us until Mrs. Clinton had made up her mind to run. He said he was afraid that if she knew what was in store for her, she might decide not to run. He also said, that it would be better to have her in public view, than behind the scenes making policies that are implemented without representation. Our Source said Faction 2 has two reasons for wanting Mrs. Clinton to run for the Senate. The lesser of the reasons involves all of Hillary's scandals. Putting Mrs. Clinton in the public eye as the "candidate" instead of the "candidate's wife", will allow the investigators and researchers, which Mrs. Clinton dubbed, "The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy", to have one more chance to expose "The Crimes of Hillary Clinton." Our Source said a book titled, "The Crimes of Hillary Clinton" is being written. It will be published just as soon as they (Faction 2) choose the appropriate author to front for it. The following is a list of some of the chapters: Cattle Futures and Hillary Clinton; How to turn $1,000 into $100,000 Madison Savings and Loan: How to make your staff, lovers and friends take the wrap for your crimes and love doing it. The Travel Office Firings; How to win Friends and Influence People by firing longtime Federal employees and giving their jobs to Arkansas cronies. Prosecution of Billy Dale; How to deflect attention from your ruthless methods by prosecuting the innocent victim. The FBI Files: How to control America through blackmail Healthcare Reform; How to socialize America through medicine It Takes a Village; How to Communize America, in one generation, through educating the children Raising campaign funds Hillary style; Sell seats on trade missions Plus some heretofore unknown scandals! The major reason Faction 2 wants Hillary Clinton to run for the Senate is they would prefer to have her in public view rather than slithering through the back alleys of the United Nations. If Mrs. Clinton joined the United Nations she could make public policy and have it implemented, with no public representation, through various UN treaties, and front companies such as the World Health Organization. The grey imminence behind the United Nation's Secretary General is a shadowy figure named Maurice Strong. The National Center for Public Policy Research states: "Maurice Strong is a senior advisor to United Nations' Secretary General Kofi Annan. Annan has appointed Strong to lead U.N. reforms, positioning him to be the next U.N. Secretary General." Mr. Strong is 70 years old. When Kofi Annan steps down, Mr. Strong will get his first and last chance to become Secretary General. If this happens, the position of "grey imminence", the power behind the throne, will have to be filled. Hillary Clinton is the number one candidate to take the place of Maurice Strong as the "power behind the throne" of the United Nations. If Mr. Strong succeeds in becoming Secretary General of the U.N., he can serve two five year terms. This will make him 80 when he steps down. In ten years, Hillary Clinton will have been properly groomed to step into the role of Secretary General. If Maurice Strong is not successful in winning the job as Secretary General, his New World Order handlers want him replaced immediately by Hillary Clinton. From behind the scenes, Mrs. Clinton will continue to promote a One World Government, implement world wide environmental regulations, and orchestrate maneuvers like the Codex Alimentarius, the United Nations' plan to regulate vitamins and herbs worldwide and place them under the giant pharmaceutical companies which will require you to see a doctor and get a prescription. A HREF="http://www.lef.org/shop/codex.html"Life Extension Foundation: CODEX /A
[CTRL] Inside The Miami Circle
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.parascope.com/index.htm A HREF="http://www.parascope.com/index.htm"ParaScope: Something Strange is Happening! /A - Inside The Miami Circle D Trull, Enimga Editor, Parascope [EMAIL PROTECTED] I nl a t e 1 9 9 8 , a r o u t i n e e x c a v a t i o n a t a M i a m i c o n s t r u c t i o n s i t e t u r n e d u p a r e m a r k a b l e d i s c o v e r y . O n a p a r c e l o f w a t e r f r o n t d o w n t o w n p r o p e r t y a t t h e m o u t h o f t h e M i a m i R i v e r , i n t e n d e d f o r a $ 1 0 0 m i l l i o n r e s i d e n t i a l a n d c o m m e r c i a l c o m p l e x, a 3 8 - f o o t - w i d e c i r c l e o f a p p a r e n t l y a n c i e n t o r i g i n w a s f o u n d . T h e u n e a r t h i n g o f t h e " M i a m i C i r c l e " p r o v o k e d a n o u t c r y o f s u p p o r t f o r p r e s e r v i n g t h e p o t e n t i a l l y i n v a l u a b l e a r c h a e o l o g i c a l f i n d a n d s p a r k e d a n i n t e n s e p o l i t i c a l f u s i l l a d e o f l a n d v a l u e s a n d t a x d o l l a r s , a n d u l t i m a t e l y , c i t y o f f i c i a l s c h o s e t o b l o c k c o n s t ru c t i o n o n t h e s i t e . F o r t h e t i m e b e i n g , t h e c i r c l e w i l l b e u n b r o k e n . Although its history remains undetermined, the primitive carved structure is widely believed to have been created by the Tequesta tribe between 500 and 2,000 years ago. Initial carbon-dating tests have found charcoal fragments from the site to be about 2,000 years old, but those results do not necessarily reflect the age of the circle. Some have speculated that the Miami Circle may have been used as a celestial calendar of some sort, like a Native American version of Stonehenge, or that it may possess deep mystical and spiritual significance. But des pite all the hoopla, there is little evidence yet to support any of the rampant theories surrounding the Miami Circle, cosmic or otherwise. Interestingly, the Miami Circle is not situated on virginal territory that has never been touched by modern development. Previously an apartment complex was built on top of it and stood there for decades until being recently demolished. The circle managed to survive all that activity intact, lying unidentified until preparations for a new round of construction began. Developer Michael Baumann acquired the land and planned to erect a massive twin-tower development to be called Brickell Pointe. But then the curious rock formation was discovered on the site. Cut into limestone rock, the large circle contains patterns of holes and basins of various sizes. One series of holes appears to delineate an east-west line, and other markings point roughly to north and south. Archeologists have judged the circle to be of exceptional note primarily because nothing like it has ever been found in this part of the country before. The most popular supposition is that it was carved centuries ago by indigenous peoples of the Tequesta tribe, who once occupied southeast Florida. This possibility brings considerable significance to the Miami Circle, because the Tequestas were wiped out by war and disease following the arrival of European colonists. The tribe has been extinct for nearly 300 years, and today very little is known about them, and few of their artifacts remain intact. [Click to view enlargement ^] ABOVE, BELOW: Two views of the Miami Circle. [Click to view enlargement ^] Almost immediately, a movement began in support of saving the Miami Circle from being plowed over to make way for a new development. Baumann had already secured all the necessary permits and clearances to move forward with building Brickell Pointe, but he volunteered to change his plans in an effort to preserve the historical find. "I was born and raised in Miami and I'm raising my family here," Baumann said. "I care about this city. The way I see it, the money I spend helping preserve these artifacts is an investment in my family's and my hometown's future." But not everyone was pleased with Baumann's supposedly generous gesture. The problem was that he had not canceled his plans to build on the site -- he was proposing to pay for the removal and relocation of the rock formation to another place, so that his development could proceed as scheduled. This idea outraged Native American groups and archaeologists, who argued that slicing up the Miami Circle like "a pizza pie" or "a jigsaw puzzle" to be reassembled elsewhere would be a desecration, and could possibly damage the artifact irreparably. Alex Penelas, mayor of Miami-Dade County, came to the defense of the Miami Circle and spearheaded the fight to leave it intact in its proper place. "I simply cannot stand by and allow an important piece of this community's history to be destroyed," Penelas said. "I just cannot allow that to happen in good conscience." Stonemason
Re: [CTRL] [RuMills] Why Faction 2 Wants Hillary in the Senate
-Caveat Lector- We don't have 6 years. I doubt the senate and government as we know it will be around for 2 years longer, and that's pushing it. Jamie Faction 2 wants Hillary to serve in the Senate where she and her policies are visible. They believe that after six years in the Senate where her communist/socialist environmental human unfriendly agenda, is exposed on a daily basis, the world will finally see her for what she is and for what she is promoting. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay.2/2
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Amelia Edgeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Gary Amedee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lets get rid of the people! Most of us are arseholes anyway and wouldn't it be a lovely planet without people everywhere. Good idea. Let's start with blondes. I represent that statement! Was that another one of those blonde jokes? I would've said, "Let's start with gun-owners", but I feared being shot. Also, I'm currently a gun-owner, so that wouldn't have served my best interests. At one time I was blonde, but I reformed, so it's safe [for me] to target blondes. But we can start almost anywhere. Serbs, surfers, serfs, CPAs, truckers, televangelists, UFOlogists, Scientologists, Libertarians, geeks, conspiratorialists, Wobblies, smokers, dwarves, any identifiable group will do. Once targeted, members of the selected group[s] would be encouraged to convert/reform, at least outwardly. For precedent, see the Spanish Inquisition. Rev. RN "I am not a geek" Carter, ULC DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] One in four blacks view HIV as federal plot
-Caveat Lector- One in four blacks view HIV as federal plot NEW YORK, Jun 02 (Reuters Health) -- In a recent survey of African Americans, more than one-quarter said they believed that AIDS was caused by a man-made virus developed by the federal government to kill black people. Anecdotal reports by healthcare workers have indicated that many African Americans suspect that AIDS is part of a federal government conspiracy, according to a report in the May issue of the journal Preventive Medicine. In addition, reports in two prominent black publications and discussion on a popular black television program have suggested that HIV prevention programs are really part of a genocidal government plan against African Americans. To investigate the extent of AIDS-related conspiracy beliefs, Dr. Elizabeth A. Klonoff of California State University, San Bernardino, and Dr. Hope Landrine of the Public Health Foundation asked 520 African American adults the following question: ``HIV/AIDS is a man-made virus that the federal government made to kill and wipe out black people. How much do you agree with the above statement?'' While the majority of the respondents (50.8%) disagreed with this statement, 14.3% reported that they ``totally agreed'' and 12.2% reported that they ``agreed somewhat.'' Another 23% reported that they were undecided. The researchers conducted the census in middle- and working-class areas of San Bernardino County, California, and participants were paid $10 for filling out the anonymous survey. Men were 3.5-times more likely to endorse an AIDS conspiracy theory compared with women, an unexpected finding. In particular, the researchers noted that respondents who were ''culturally traditional male college graduates who have experienced frequent racial discrimination throughout their lives'' were more likely to believe in an AIDS conspiracy theory. They also found that conspiracy beliefs were unrelated to income. Klonoff and Landrine suggest further study, in part to determine if knowledge of the infamous Tuskegee study is playing a role in HIV conspiracy beliefs among the black population. In that study, conducted earlier this century, black men in the South were not told they had syphilis or treated for the disease so researchers could study the progress of the disease. The authors conclude that ``AIDS-conspiracy beliefs among blacks must be acknowledged and addressed in culturally tailored AIDS prevention and education programs.'' ``It is important to note that blacks who endorsed... AIDS-conspiracy views did not differ in their degree of residential racial segregation, religiosity, or distrust of whites in general... and so these issues may be less important in culturally tailoring programs than blacks' cultural ties and experiences with racism,'' Klonoff and Landrine conclude. SOURCE: Preventive Medicine 1999;28:451-457. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Question Re: German Constitution and War (fwd)]
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A friend sent me the following. Can anybody confirm this?
"The April 26, 1999 issue of the German news magazine "Der Spiegel" reports
yhat the German Constitution allows military action by Germany only in the
case of national defense. Germany is now being used by the US for bombing
missions into Serbia and German military forces are employed in the combined
NATO operation.
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Right...the *Grundgesetz* ("Basic Law") of the Federal Republic of Germany,
which was dictated by the occupying powers, stipulates that the Bundeswehr
shall *only* engage in national defense. Both the CDU-FDP and SPD-Green
coalition governments employed massive contortions of legal logic to justify
the use of German troops and other military assets outside the country's
boundaries. I would expect that the Attorney General's "investigation" will
quietly die in the coming months.
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Re: [CTRL] TOO CLOSE TO THE REAL TRUTH??
-Caveat Lector- No, I have never done this. What a bunch of haters! Byron Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 2 Jun 99, , Yardbird wrote: -Caveat Lector- Well...what exactly qualifies you to be an idiot? :) On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, E Mael wrote: -Caveat Lector- so all of this makes you a qualified idiot. sell it someplace else where somebody gives a damn. [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: -Caveat Lector- Attached is my Resume' Byron Weeks, MD INTERNAL MEDICINE, RECERTIFIED 1977 February 1998 CURRICULUM VITAE [Retired 1995 due to Hypertensive Heart Disease, Degenerative Joint Disease] Byron T. Weeks, MD Magna cum Laude gradute of the University of Utah 1951 [Check with them} This is absolutely deja vu.I remember Dr. Weeks posting his resume on SNETNEWS--was it two years ago?? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [6] Ritual Abuse - The Groups: Beliefs, Practices, History, and Structure
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Ritual Abuse Margaret Smith©1993 HarperCollins Publishers 10 East 53rd Street New York, NY 10022 ISBN 0-06-250214-X 213pps out-of-print --[6]-- Chapter 6 The Groups: Beliefs, Practices, History, and Structure My abusers taught me that people of this world are ruled by the God of Abraham, the God of the Old Testament. His laws are unjust laws based on the rules of nature. He teaches an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. He is the God of Ignorance, the God of Violence and lower intelligence. In his world, people suffer In his world, there is chaos, plague, and starvation. His world is in the desert. In our belief system, the ultimate deity is the God manifested in the actions of Jesus. We believe Jesus was not a doctor or a magician who healed physical blindness. He healed the blindness of the spirit, a feat far greater than the acts of any doctor or magician. He said the words that our hearts longed to hear He spoke the Truth. But when he died, so did his Word. Once again, the Word was lost. We believe Jesus's teachings should not be dictated by some "church." Morality is not something we learn intellectually. It is something we each must emotionally experience. We believe people must find the truth inside themselves if they want to understand from their hearts what Jesus was trying to say. We designed rituals and systems of thought to help people realize the deep revelations Jesus spoke about. We believe that in order to learn the Truth found in his words, people must lose the Truth in their own lives. In other words, in order to have compassion for people who are hungry, you must have experienced hunger yourself In order to have compassion for people who are freezing on the street, you also must have felt bitterly cold. We believe that through Jesus radiated the perfect emanation of Heavenly Light. The heavenly light is also symbolized in the Old Testament of the Judeo-Christian Bible as Lucifer, the Light Bearer the serpent who enticed Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge. Religions based on the teachings of the Old Testament referred to Lucifer as Satan or the Devil because he led people astray from the teachings of the God of Abraham. In our teachings, Lucifer was not the "Devil ." He was the Bringer of Light, the bringer of wisdom, which allowed humankind the opportunity to overcome the laws of nature. He was the bringer of knowledge, which allowed humankind the ability to judge the world from something other than our immediate experiences. He told us to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil so we could know what was right and wrong and could see the Laws of the Ignorant God are Unjust. We most certainly would not consider ourselves to be Satan worshipers. We believe that "Satan" is a term used by the church to separate the world into good and evil through the eyes of the God of the Old Testament. In our belief system, Satanor the personification Of evilis Ignorance. It is only a shadow, a temporary stage of thought before Revelation. Only love, light, and truth exist. Everything else is a mistake, a shadow, an "accident." That is why we believe that we can commit any act without feeling shame or remorse. Our philosophy says, "Nothing can be created that is not God." We symbolize the loss of the Word in a number of ways: the death of Osiris in the Egyptian myth, which leaves Isis weeping and yearning for her lost husband; the quest for the Holy Grail, which contains the water that gives eternal life. The acts we commit during rituals intensify the power of this imagery. No one yearns for the water or the Word more than someone who each day is having it taken away. We believe we have to create the perfect race: a race of warriors to prepare for his second coming. We don't know where he is going to be born. We don't know where the Word is going to become manifest, but we have to make a people that is going to be ready to hear the message. This is what they taught me. They used this philosophy to manipulate and control me time and time again. For people who believe only love, light, and truth exist, they certainly did everything in their power to see that I never felt loved. My abusers taught me that our mission is to unite all humankind under a single principle. They used a great deal of symbolism to describe that principle, but they would never say what it was. Due to my own past and what I knew was important to me, I always assumed that principle was love. I actually found support for my theory in some cult philosophy. When I told my idea to them, they led me to believe I had found the supreme secret. They told me they do what they do to make people value the importance of love. They told me that no one knows more about just how important love is than someone who has had it stolen from their life everyday. In a way, I could see their twisted logic. I knew because I lacked love most of my life, I longed for it desperately. I saw that my
[CTRL] [5] The Right People
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: The Right People - A Portrait of the American Social Establishment Stephen Birmingham©1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1968 Little, Brown and Company BostonoToronto LCCN 68-11525 360pps. out-of-print --[5]-- 5. "We're Coming Out Tonight" HISTORY'S first debutantes were, presumably, young women of marriageable age who were presented at European Courts during the seventeenth century for the approval of Court ladies, Court gentlemen, and, sometimes, the Monarch. But there is strong evidence that the practice of introducing eligible virgins to members of the tribe began considerably before that, and that the debutante ritual dates from the Old Stone Age, if not before. The ritual has always carried strong sexual overtones a rite of passage between the ages of puberty and of marriage and, even in primitive cultures, has been carried out with trappings intended to demonstrate the debutante's social position and wealth. Among certain tribes in New Guinea, fathers announce the marriageability of their daughters by throwing large quantities of coconuts into the sea the richer the man, the more coconuts he throws. In Africa, there are tribes which ritually prepare their young women for their debuts by placing them in "fattening houses" where, for beauty's sake, their bodies are anointed with butter for weeks on end while the girls are stuffed with food. Again, it is the richest men who produce the fattest daughters. In most of these primitive ceremonies the girls wear approximations, or adaptations, of the wedding costume, just as American debutantes anthropologically just a step away from their sisters in the savanna today appear in their almost identical, though "one-of-a-kind" long white gowns, wearing bits of veiling, carrying bouquets, and stand in receiving lines like make-believe brides. Otherwise, today's debutantes retain few of the tribal Practices of the Stone Age, but they have developed some equally interesting ones of their own. The father of a modern debutante does not toss coconuts into New York Harbor or San Francisco Bay, but he tosses considerable amounts of money in other directions. There are, of course, many degrees of debutante parties, just as there are degrees of debutantes. Take, for instance, one of the largest and best-known debutante functions in New York, the Debutante Cotillion and Christmas Ball. Customarily given at the Waldorf-Astoria, where the grand ballroom is decorated in clouds of pink and silver fluff, pink tablecloths and twinkly lights, the Cotillion annually presents a hundred or more debutantes to "society." Around the dance floor, the tables are largely filled with members of New York business firms who have agreed to sponsor bits and pieces of the Cotillion and, from tiers of boxes above, parents and friends of the debutantes, plus patrons and patronesses of the Cotillion and members of the Cotillion Committee, survey the proceedings below. In the bar outside, whitetied young men press relentlessly toward a small band of perspiring bartenders, and it is clear that in the face of such a jostling, thirsty throng, the hotel has abandoned any pretense of seeking proof-of-age from the young drinkers. In the anteroom outside the ballroom, games of chance offer rewards ranging from color television sets to ladies' gloves to Waring Blenders to free photographs "By Famous Fashion Photographer, Irving Penn." Domestic champagne circulates in this area for two dollars the glass and, through an opening in the crowd, one may see a shiny new automobile being raffled off at one dollar the chance. If the New York Cotillion seems to have a faint odor of commercialism, to say nothing of Las Vegas, this perhaps can be forgiven, since the whole affair is for the benefit of the New York Infirmary, and all the merchandise offered as prizes in the lottery games has been donated. Just how much money the Cotillion makes for the Infirmary is not recorded as a rule, but, according to Mrs. Eugene W. Ong, a former Cotillion chairman, "The Infirmary could not keep its doors open without the Ball." Within the ballroom the lights dim as the debutantes are presented from the center of the stage. The orchestra plays a tinkly version of "The Teddy Bears' Picnic" over and over again as, one by one, the girls step forward, grip their escorts' hands for wobbly support, and sink into a deep curtsy. A master of ceremonies intones each girl's name over the loudspeaker. Once presented, the young women and their escorts perform a series of Cotillion figures, after which, in somewhat thin and reedy voices, the girls sing "The Coming-Out Waltz" the lyric of which was written by Mrs. Eugene W. Ong's daughter when she was a debutante: We're coming out tonight, We're having a fling! Debs dressed in yards of white, Waltzing we sing -'cause Beaux flock around tonight, Flowers are part of the scheme! Tomorrow may be just another day, But tonight we are
[CTRL] [10] Secret Germany - Stauffenberg and the Mystical Crusade Against Hitler
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Secret Germany - Stauffenberg and the Mystical Crusade Against Hitler Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh,(C) 1994 PENGUIN BOOKS Published by the Penguin Group Penguin Books Ltd. 27 Wrights Lane London W8 3TZ, England --[10]-- Part Four THE STRUGGLE FOR THE HEART AND SOUL OF GERMANY 9 After the War of Liberation As Robert Musil has stated, the collective impulses, urges, fears, aspirations, yearnings, dreams and tensions of a people or a culture would, if contained in the psyche of a single individual, produce a frothing lunatic. That, of course, applies to all peoples and cultures. Humanity has long known itself to be its own worst enemy. Nevertheless if the psyche of a 'sane' individual cannot accommodate the spectrum of human experience as a whole, it can still provide, in miniature or in microcosm, some indication of the broader logic governing peoples and cultures. Like individuals, people and cultures pass through periods of collective infancy and childhood, adolescence and youth, maturity and adulthood, senescence and decay. Like individuals, peoples and cultures pass through phases of well-being and maladjustment, health and disease, self-confidence and self-doubt, exuberant energy and apathetic torpor. And like individuals, peoples and cultures can undergo agonising identity crises. In the half-century since the Second World War, the Third Reich has been explained in terms of many kinds of phenomenon - sociological, economic, ideological, psychological. It was, of course, a combination of all of these. But it was a manifestation of something else as well, something much older, and more deeply rooted, than anything arising from the specific circumstances of the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries. It was a manifestation of - and an attempt to resolve- what might be described as a collective identity crisis, an anxious and long-standing quest for self-definition. The resolution posited by the Third Reich can now be seen as misguided, benighted, demonic and thoroughly inimical to humanity. But the problem that engendered it still exists, and remains unresolved. Germany is still in the throes of a collective identity crisis, still in quest of a viable self-definition. The problem has, if anything, become even more acute with the difficulties thrown up by reunification in 1990. If the Third Reich's putative resolution of the problem proved more destructive and disastrous than anything else, Claus von Stauffenberg offers a more positive and constructive alternative, not just for Germany, but for Western society as a whole. In order to see how and why he does, however the problem itself must be explored more fully. In the early nineteenth century, Prussia began to exert a significant influence on the rest of Germany, and to challenge Austria for the opportunity, if not the right, to mould and shape German politics and the German collective psyche. The struggle between these two powers extended from the Oder in the east to the Rhine in the west, from the Baltic in the north to the Alps in the south. But it was also a psychological struggle enacted in the mentality of individual Germans, and Claus von Stauffenberg was no exception. He, too, provided an arena for the struggle. The struggle continued on both a personal and a cultural level long after it had been decided politically by the Austro-Prussian War of 1866. Ultimately, Austria and Prussia can be seen as metaphors (what T. S. Eliot calls 'objective correlatives') for a polarity in the German collective psyche. Whatever happened on the battlefield or at the negotiating table, Austria and Prussia remained symbolic embodiments of a less tangible, more internalised conflict. In effect, Austria and Prussia were not just geographical or political entities, but also orientations, attitudes and states of mind. The principle that made Prussia so dynamic a military power in Frederick the Great's time was not nationalism as we know it today, nor even as it existed in other nations at the time. Frederick's soldiers and administrators acted less out of devotion to the state than out of a kind of feudal loyalty to their monarch. Their loyalty was, in effect, not patriotism, but an unquestioning allegiance to a charismatic king. It was not until the Napoleonic era that allegiance was transferred from the sovereign to the state. Prussian (and German) nationalism was, in fact, born out of the conflict with Napoleonic France. That conflict was initially traumatic, then euphorically uplifting - for Germany in general and for Prussia in particular. Until 1806, Prussia had reposed on the martial laurels won by Friedrich, the 'Soldier King', nearly half a century before. The army of Napoleonic France had proved invincible against Italians, Austrians and Russians, but no one at the time doubted that it would crumble against the Prussian military machine. In the years since Friedrich, however, the Prussian military machine had
Re: [CTRL] Constitutional gun control
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lloyd Miller) writes about "constitutional rights involving gun control". As you know, the Bilderbergers are reputedly in session in Portugal. They, the CFR, the Tri lateralists and the International bankers ( including our "Federal Reserve" banking system) have zero interest in perpetuating individual countries constitutional rights. Their "NEW WORLD ORDER" intends government and manipulation of all peoples of the world for their profit and purposes regardless of any national constitutional statutes. Consider the United States constitutional rights that have been removed, ignored or diluted using the excuse of "drug law enforcement". i have recently determined that the great war is between the internet and the great beast; prolly the 666 one. these two forces are out to do each, the other, in. the bildyourburgers have been having more meetings lately. no doubt they are strategic planning meetings. as the battle heats up, their options and contingencies have to be explored and implimented. as the heat goes up they have to stay close to the front. but by that, their invisible hands are becoming more visible. they are losing the night, that is the field in which their treasonous acts are most effective. we are coming upon very interesting times indeed. stay tuned boys and girls. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990602a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No astral projections were damaged during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # NEW HUBBLE IMAGE SHOWS LIFE CYCLE OF STARS - A unique region in our own Milky Way Galaxy where all stages of star birth and evolution are present at once: http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9906/01/hubble.milky.way/index.html : How many civilizations must die so that new stars can be born and evolve? # FEROCIOUS SOLAR STORM TO HERALD MILLENNIUM. CHICAGO (AP) -- Computer date confusion about the Year 2000 is not the only problem Earth's technology is going to face when the new year rolls in. Astronomers say they're also worried about an angry sun. In January, just as computers around the world are coping with the Y2K bug, the sun will enter the most violent and disruptive phase of its 11-year cycle. Not to mention November's Leonid meteor shower: http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9906/01/solar.storms.ap/index.html : How many cosmic impacts can Earth withstand in 1999-2000? Are you ready? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # THE SECOND ANNUAL PEOPLE'S RALLY AT AREA 51 TO EXPOSE THE LUCIFERIAN NEW WORLD ORDER. On the 6th hour of the 6th day of the 6th month (666), the 2nd Annual People's Rally will be held at the periphery of what has been descri- bed as America's most "TOP SECRET" underground bacteriological, biological and chemical warfare test site. http://www.konformist.com/1999/area51.htm : Will you go? Will you be photographed, abducted, implanted, sunburnt? How? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Teen testifies in Utah polygamist trial. SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - A teen-age girl who grew up in a polygamist sect testified at her uncle's incest trial Tuesday she had four sexual encounters with him after becoming his 15th wife. The case has focused attention on the secretive Kingston clan, which has as many as 1,000 members and business assets worth up to $150 million. The clan shares many of the beliefs of other polygamous groups in Utah, but stands apart, former members say, in practicing incest. Keeping it in the family: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559768778-43f : Have you engaged in incest, polygamy, polyandry? Are they natural, fun? Does your sect promote unorthodox sexual behaviours? Is that why you joined? # ALABAMA TO CONSIDER ENDING BAN ON INTERRACIAL MARRIAGES: http://cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/06/01/alabama.law.ap/ http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559768366-570 : Should marriage be allowed/banned between different races, sexes, species, families, religions, classes, eras? Should gov't regulate marriages? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Women in developed world: fewer kids. (AP) Women in the developed world have fewer children than women in the developing world for several reasons, population experts say. Women in the developed world are more likely to work outside the home. Contrary to agricultural societies, where more children mean more working hands, modern urban life imposes costs on families to feed, house and educate children. Contraception also is more available in the world's richer countries. As a result, the average growth rate in the poorest countries is eight times higher than in wealthy countries. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559750073-a74 : Do Reptoids prefer to harvest 1st-, 2nd- or 3rd-worlders? Are they tasty? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # PLANE RUNS OFF RUNWAY AT ARKANSAS AIRPORT, DEATHS REPORTED: http://cnn.com/US/9906/02/PM-Plane-Runway.ap/index.html : Was this caused by Clinton, Reptilioids, Republicans, Illuminati, God, me? # Bacteria can grow in simulated Mars - Arkansas experiment breeds life: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559765600-0ca : Was the crashed plane being aimed at this lab? What is the connection? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Dakar find raises questions. TEL AVIV (AP) Egyptians on a war footing, Soviets on the hunt, even Yanks bearing a grudge: The conspiracy theories surrounding the disappearance of an Israeli submarine 31 years ago have dissipated with its discovery and the likelihood that its 69 men were the victims of a tragic accident. But Israelis are still seeking answers. The Israeli sub was found about 300 miles off the Israeli coast, near the Greek island of Crete. Israeli navy officers, who accompanied US salvage experts on the search, believe the Dakar's periscope was swiped by a cargo ship that the Dakar's sonar failed to detect because of stormy weather. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559765184-7e7 : How would *you* dispose of a bothersome Israeli sub? Would ETs help you? # NEW DOCUMENTS REVEAL FIRST JFK CASKET DUMPED AT SEA - USAF mission left nothing to chance: http://cnn.com/US/9906/01/kennedy.casket/index.html # Kennedys insisted JFK
[CTRL] Fw: DRUDGE-REPORT-EXCLUSIVE 6/3/99
-Caveat Lector- X DRUDGE REPORT X THURSDAY, JUNE 03, 1999 14:41:09 UTC X WORLD EXCLUSIVE: TIME MAGAZINE PLANNING TO NAME FDR 'MAN OF CENTURY' It will not be made official for another seven months, but the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, TIME magazine will name America's 32nd President Franklin Delano Roosevelt: "THE MAN OF THE CENTURY!" TIME's Managing Editor Walter Isaacson has made the call and has been daydreaming outloud in recent weeks on what is expected to be TIME magazine's biggest selling issue ever. As speculation on the outside is just beginning, inside TIME magazine's elite editorial circle -- speculation is over. "In Walter's mind, after FDR, there's nothing but seconds," a senior magazine source revealed. And while editors will say that the choice has not yet been made, it can now be revealed that TIME will declare: FDR paved the way for what became the American Century. The naming of FDR will be held secret until late December, according to publishing sources, but preliminary plans have been drawn up for a network news special on TIME's big pick. As for Isaacson, the only thing he has to fear, is fear itself. TIME INC's editor-in-chief Norman Pearlstine has reportedly given Isaacson broad editorial control over the blockbuster issue. What convinced TIME to pick FDR? FDR was the giant who created big government -- in a time of big need. FDR, his advisors and the U.S. Congress passed into law the "New Deal" that lifted America out of the Great Depression. He created the Social Security Act which provided unemployment compensation and a program of old-age and survivors' benefits. "Isaacson will write a thoughtful, nuanced appreciation of the man who couldn't walk and yet raised a nation from its knees," whispers one insider. Isaacson will say that for the first time since 1789, FDR changed how Americans think about government -- what we owe it. Actual production on TIME's century end issue will begin months in advance of publication, late in the summer. Every expense will be made to ensure the secrecy of its content. TIME will devote up to 100 pages on "Man of the Century" and the runner-ups. But the naming of FDR is bound to cause complete controversy. As one conservative source familiar with Isaacson's thinking explained: "FDR is the boy Walter is going for in the end, and NOT because Yalta helped shape our world! It's Walter's way of detaching himself from the people he's supported [and sucked up to] all these years." But one TIME executive calls the choice of Franklin Roosevelt anything but controversial: "He is an obvious winner. He defined more than just a generation, he was one of the single most influential individuals America has ever seen. It would be a damn controversy if he was not chosen." - Filed by Matt Drudge Reports are moved when circumstances warrant http://www.drudgereport.com for steaks and breaks (c)DRUDGE REPORT 1999 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] [RuMills] Why Faction 2 Wants Hillary in the Senate]
-Caveat Lector- Gavin Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Our Source said a book titled, "The Crimes of Hillary Clinton" is being written. It will be published just as soon as they (Faction 2) choose the appropriate author to front for it. snip Hmm...How 'bout Christopher Hitchens? Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Constitutional gun control
-Caveat Lector- All I want is them to leave our cows alone. Anthrax - Mad Cow Disease - I can do without the Bilderberger Hambergers too. But England, in the west they had to shoot their cattle when anthrax hit; in England, mad cows.the cows must be destroyed. But, today there are companies using cattle parts, from the pineal glad, etc., for other purposes in experiments. Cattle mutilitations in the USA? Which is worse, the cattle dying from anthrax and mad cow disease, or from vicious experiments blamed on Ufo's. Why suddenly now, do they want our troops to be immunized from Anthrax; and why do our troops refuse.like some of these othr vaccines, who has polluted what. And, thanks to Clinton's blood banks - how many Canadians have become infected with AIDS? In Canada, there is a civil war brewing, that will only equate to 76 Lates - anyone living or visiting England is not to give blood transfusionsbecause of maybe eating the mad cows.. If this stuffis all true - there are a few public officials who should be tried for more than just bad judgment and stupidity; manslaughter, or murder, if this was done knowingly. But then, look at our blood banks once headed by Elizabeth Doledid they evr buy any from Arkansas? Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!
-Caveat Lector- For affluent Americans, the adoption of a health care system comparable to a European system (Norway or Sweden come to mind) would be a loss of sorts I think those fears are somewhat justified. How does one know that one will receive quality care...the question of choice, etc. All of those issues are legitimate... But I would only point out to you that "some" care is preferable to our current "no" care. We have millions of Americans who are underinsured or without ANY health insurance. They postpone medical treatment because they lack money. And what I find particularly criminal is the fact that many of those who lack health coverage are children. As a society, we're saying to the nation's kids: "look, kids. If you have money in America, you can get health care...if you don't, we don't care about you. Go to hell." Now, perhaps some of the CTRL folks find that acceptable, I don't. I think it's criminal. My wife's sister-in-law is Norwegian. In Norway, EVERY member of that society has health care. Young, old, rich, poor, white, black, whatever... She has three children, and she wouldn't trade the Norwegian health care system for the American one. In Norway, you don't have people walking around in need of medical treatment. Do the Norwegians want to trade their system for the American "quality care system"? uhjust ask them. Of course, the US has enormous amounts of capital to put into research/high tech treatment, etc. And there are the well-publicized stories of poor kids from Uganda or Rwanda being treated at our clinics.. but for the most part, the expensive treatments are naturally reserved for those who can afford them. But what about the millions of Americans who lack BASIC care? Surely, with all of the inventiveness and genius to be found in this country, we can come up with a reasonable solution to the problem. We could look at a variety of different models...Japan, Canada, Norway, Sweden, France...etc... and come up with a reasonable solution. On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Yardbird wrote: -Caveat Lector- Yes, yes, yes. Canada's system sounds great to me. Prudy It may sound great from another country but don't try living with it. All of our best nurses and doctors get hired by wealthier US hospitals. Plus the alleged universality of our system is anything but. Make sure if you get ill that you get something the province you live in considers worthwhile to treat. In fact you may want to live in a richer province where they can afford to offer more varied medical treatment. Also contract something that a politican is unlikely to contract as they'll inevitably be treated before you, that is if they haven't used the Canadian taxpayers money to purchase a US health care plan and gone south to get faster and better treatment. Jamieson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Recommended Reading]
-Caveat Lector- thanks for the recommendations, Bob! On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Robert Tatman wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Stopforth, Jamie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- I'm interested in this one, although, what is the Aurora? Jamie (2)*Icefire*, by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens, Pocket Books, 1999, pb; $5.59 at Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067101403X/qid=928339881/sr=1-2/002-0 162189-0076639 If this book were just a techno-thriller in the Tom Clancy style, it would worth reading. But it is somewhat more. On one level *Icefire* is the story of a Nuclear Emergency Search Team (NEST) officer and a Greenpeace-type environmentalist as they race to head off a global catastrophe. A mysterious conspiracy (whose identity becomes clear as the plot evolves) plants six nuclear devices on the Ross Ice Shelf in Antarctica. When the bombs go off, the ice slams into the ocean at 500 miles an hour, and a monster wave is born that will soon threaten everything in the Pacific basin. I would recommend the book just for the excitement...but there's more. Of particular interest to CTRL will be the segments dealing with (are you ready for this?) HAARP and the Aurora, including a fascinating and quite plausible account of what flying the Aurora would be like. The book's authors obviously have some sort of inside information, because their detail rings *very* true. The Aurora is (presumably) the super-secret, ultra-high-tech hypersonic transport (HST) under development at Area 51. A lot of people believe that it's behind a lot of the more recent UFO sightings. In *Icefire*, the craft (I hesitate to call it an airplane) flies from Hawaii to San Diego in one hour. Check out www.parascope.com--they've got some good material on the Aurora, including a photo of what may be its contrail. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] TOO CLOSE TO THE REAL TRUTH??
-Caveat Lector- Okay Om K.I apologize to those I have offended, that is if there truly is need for an apology. One does question why one would come to a list though, and want to recruit an American Revolutionary Army. So, I apologize.I am sorry.By their fruits you shall know them. I do not need to get bonked on the head by an apple to get the message. God Bless America and get rid of Clinton. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Thursday #2]
-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip # Pope protects new parking garage. VATICAN CITY (AP) - Pope JP2 presided over the inauguration of an underground parking garage at Vatican City, invoking divine protection for the building, the cars and the people who will park there. Workers finished the 3-story garage in time for millennial celebrations expected to bring tens of millions of pilgrims to Rome. The underground garage makes Vatican City a more functional and welcoming place, without lessening the amount of green space in the city, the pope said. ### : Is it Allah's Will that the parking garage be blessed? Would you rather park in a spot consecrated by a Pope, Ayatollah, Patriarch, Scientologist? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ snip Will the Sacred Parking Garage be consecrated to Our Lady of the Ramps? Makes me think of the shrines you see in the Cajun country of Southwestern Louisiana, including the never-to-be-forgotten Our Lady of the Gas Line... Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Drug War is Race War
-Caveat Lector- There's no question about it: the drug trade provides the NWO with an important source of revenue, and every American should read DOPE INC in order to gain an appreciation of the extent of the collusion between the American eastern elite and the drug cartel. Also, Beecham's book on the British opium trade is excellent. And McCoy's book on Heroin in Southeast Asia. Of course, most of us have formed our image of the drug trade from the media Look at the television program, COPS. We're always shown the bottom of the distribution chain...poor people living in substandard housing, trying to find a temporary chemical release from their lives of despair. And middle class audiences naturally, and one might add, rightfully, applaud the brave boys in blue as they charge through the doors of the crackhouses to arrest the baddies. But that's only part of the story. The media encourages us to believe that the drug trade is largely a product of the efforts of a ragtag group of street people, when the exact opposite is true. In order to insure that every American hamlet, medium-sized community and city is overflowing with a supply of drugs, complex and sophisticated networks of distribution exist, and like any legitimate business enterprise, DOPE INC must be kept well-financed, with state of the art technology, or their profits vanish. When Representative Maxine Waters asked for a Congressional investigation of the CIA's alleged role in the distribution of drugs on the streets of LA, what happened? She was ridiculed, and the investigation died on the vine. How many Republicans and Democrats supported her? On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, E Mael wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: The "drug war isn't working any better than prohibition did. The government uses it to: 1. invalidate US citizens constitutional rights, and 2. To provide a framework for government black ops. abso freak'n lutely DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Thursday #2]
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Pope protects new parking garage. VATICAN CITY (AP) ### : Is it Allah's Will that the parking garage be blessed? Would you rather park in a spot consecrated by a Pope, Ayatollah, Patriarch, Scientologist? Will the Sacred Parking Garage be consecrated to Our Lady of the Ramps? Fiat Lux - torch the eenie cars first. If a car is damaged in the Vatican parking structure, is it an Act Of God? Who do you sue? Do RC clergy get a discount? If you hang an Our Lady Of The Ramps medallian from your mirror, do you get in for free? Makes me think of the shrines you see in the Cajun country of Southwes- tern Louisiana, including the never-to-be-forgotten Our Lady of the Gas Line... In San Francisco she's the Queen Of The Pump, affiliated with the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. But I digress. Scattered around European villages are shrines for Our Lady Of The Ox-Cart. I hear that in Ireland, Our Lady Of Guinness is quite popular. And I swear this is true [on a stack of Communist Manifestos]: near Tumacacori AZ there's a neon-lit, mirrored, flashing shrine of a black anodized heavy-metal Virgin. I wonder which conspiracy SHE'S tied to. Yow. Ric "sure I believe in gods, I carved another this morning" Carter DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Origins of POS
-Caveat Lector- from: prioryofsion digest 625 http://www.onelist.com The mailing list resource page can be found at the following address http://www.albino.com/circle/pos/ an always interesting list. Om K - Message: 3 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:20:12 +0100 From: "Dx Subject: Re: origins of the pos Txx wrote: From: T --- "D wrote: From: "xxx T wrote: Anyone's guess. Seventeen former Templar properties were acquired by Pierre Duese between 1316 and 1324, most bought with papal funding. Almost as though he was expecting to find something hidden away. No idea what it was he found, though, if anything. Judging from the marriages that the next six generations of his descendants contracted, though, it could be that he found something important. What noble family did e found and what sort of people did they marry - I'm poor on this area. Well, let me start by saying that the more likely explanation one would reach by applying "Occam's Razor" (see, I learned a new term) is that Pierre Duese may have just availed himself of the opportunity to pick up a lot of cheap real estate... Pierre was the first Vicomte de Carmain. His son Arnaud married the Isle-Jourdain heiress (cadet line of Toulouse); their son Arnaud II married a Beaufort, sister and niece to two subsequent popes;their son Arnaud III married an Albret; their son Hugues married Beatrix, the Pereilles heiress; their son Jean married a Foix heiress; their son Jean II married first another Foix heiress (his mother's cousin in fact) and then a La Tour de Boulogne; and then their son Antoine married a St. Etienne heiress. Whether by purchase or by marriage, by the mid 1500s they had amassed a great deal of property with Templar or Cathar history, including St. Felix de Carmain (now St. Felix Lauragais) where two important Cathar conclaves were held. One Foix-Carmain, Paul, Archbishop of Toulouse, brought Nostradamus to the attention of his cousin Catherine de Medici; another, Aldoncine, one of Catherine's ladies-in-waiting, was stepmother to the young Montgommerie who killed Catherine's husband in accordance with Nostradamus' "predictions". The La Tour d'Auvergne-Boulogne dukes of Bouillon were sufficiently interested in this family and their property to buy most of it up in the 1600s, but they never found anything. Pierre's brother, John XXII, had been Bishop of Porto in Portugal at one point in his career, and he was the pope who chartered the Order of Christ in Portugal, the only body that can authentically trace it's origins to the Templars. It would seem that Pierre was being opportunist, encouraged by his brothers partiality for the Templars - there could be absolutely nothing in this as John XXII could just have been trying to preserve his ideal of the templars and partially trusting his family to do it. Saying that, its a vary interesting mix of families - the Montgomery in question is a very close scion of the scottish noble family connected with the freemasons; he or his children actually returned to Scotland where they held a lot of political influence. Then there are the La Tours, d'Albrets and Foix - note the latter two became the ruling families of Navarre overlapping with old Septimania while the former one of the leading noble families of France. The Foix-d'Albret heritage passed to the Bourbons who in the person of Henri IV became king of France. There is allsorts of weird politics going on here I am not sure I have my head around. Can you remind me if there were any connections between the Navarrese families and the Guise-Lorraine faction? Donal = Message: 6 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:39:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tx Subject: Re: origins of the pos --- "D wrote: From: "Dxxx It would seem that Pierre was being opportunist, encouraged by his brothers partiality for the Templars - there could be absolutely nothing in this as John XXII could just have been trying to preserve his ideal of the templars and partially trusting his family to do it. Yes, perhaps you're right. :) Saying that, its a vary interesting mix of families - the Montgomery in question is a very close scion of the scottish noble family connected with the freemasons; he or his children actually returned to Scotland where they held a lot of political influence. No, the man in question, Gabriel de Lorges de Montgommerie died without heirs, and the whole shebang went to his niece Marguerite. She married Jacques de Durfort, Marquis de Duras in 1603, and their descendants became the Dukes of Durfort-Duras and of Lorges-Quintin in France. One later descendant did marry the English Countess of Feversham but he died childless in 1709. Related to the Scots Montgomeries, yes, but this line stayed in France. Then there are the La Tours, d'Albrets and Foix - note the latter two became the ruling families of Navarre
Re: [CTRL] Andre Malraux
-Caveat Lector- from: prioryofsion digest 623 http://www.onelist.com The mailing list resource page can be found at the following address http://www.albino.com/circle/pos/ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:28:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Txx Subject: Re: Andre Malraux --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Modern Merovingian Connection (1) Napoleon Bonaparte "Sion appears to have been at the nexus of two French anti-monarchical movements, the Compagnie du St.-Sacrament of the 17th century (acting on behalf on the Guise-Lorraine families) and the Fronde of the 18th, as well as an attempt to make the Hapsburgs emperors of all Europe in the 19th- the Hieron du Val d'Or." - Sx, "The Mysteries of Rennes-le-Ch_teau and the Prieure du Sion" Sorry to be a noodge, Sxxx, but the Fronde was also a 17th century movement, not 18th. It's motivation was to replace Louis XIV with his uncle Gaston d'Orleans, who was married to a Lorraine, by starting viscious rumors about Mazarin being the king's father (obviously the common folk didn't have access to a portrait of Louis XIII in order to see the resemblance to his son). "In 1796 Napoleon was one of three revolutionary 'Directors' heading the government. Another 'Director' was Abbe Sieyes, who knew of certain genealogical researches that had been undertaken by one Abbe Pichon. Pichon had access to the royal archives captured by the revolutionary government, where some important genealogies had been hidden away, and he discovered that a direct descent from Dagobert II had been maintained up to then." "...Abbe Seiyes urged Napoleon to marry Josephine Beauhamais because she was a Merovingian descendant, and to adopt her two children by a previous marriage who were of this anciently royal stock." In 1798 "on the way to Egypt, Bonaparte detoured to capture Malta and the treasure held by the Knights of Malta." - Michael Bradley, Holy Grail Across the Atlantic (Groan) I don't understand why Napoleon keeps getting dragged into this... No, he was not a member of the Directory government. He was appointed Commander of the French forces in Italy by the Directory on 9 March 1796 and married Josephine de Beauharnais the same day. He became a Consul, along with Sieyes, and then First Consul, when the Consulate replaced the Directory in 1799. Josephine was the Widow Beauharnais, having been born Tascher de la Pagerie to a recent annobli and his Creole wife on the island of Martinique. Her first husband's family was ennobled in 1360 and there's no record of them going back any further than that. "...At his coronation as Emperor in 1804 he adorned his imperial robe with the gold bee figurines which had been discovered in the tomb of Childeric I, father of Clovis. Napoleon styled himself Emperor of the Franks, not 'Emperor of the French'..." - Michael Bradley, Holy Grail Across the Atlantic A clue to the gold bee figurines on Napoleon's imperial robe may be the Sarmoung Society. Sorry, but the bees on Napoleon's coronation robe were embroidered. It can still be viewed at the Hotel des Invalides in Paris. The bee connection is not an allusion to the Merovingians, but to the fact that the Buonapartes of Corsica considered themselves descended from the Princes Barberini, whose coat of arms, like that of the Buonapartes, features the heraldic devices still known as the "Barberini Bees". It was the best Napoleon could come up with to prove even a tiny bit of noble descent. And again, I'm sorry, but there is absolutely nothing on record to indicate that Napoleon ever styled himself "Emperor of the Franks" - he was styled "Empereur des Francais", or Emperor of the French. Tx = from: prioryofsion digest 625 Message: 22 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:49:26 -0400 From: sx) Subject: Re: Andre Malraux Sorry to be a noodge, Sxx, but the Fronde was also a 17th century movement, not 18th. It's motivation was to replace Louis XIV with his uncle Gaston d'Orleans, who was married to a Lorraine, by starting viscious rumors about Mazarin being the king's father (obviously the common folk didn't have access to a portrait of Louis XIII in order to see the resemblance to his son). Txx, I don't mind being corrected, but I just *admitted* that I made this mistake (largely by misreading HBHG and not checking with other sources) not too long ago. :-) Apparently, there were two 'Frondes,' but the later one was ALSO in the 17th century. The first one - which is the one that HBHG discusses and you mention - was coterminous with the Compagnie. In fact, rereading that section of HBHG, it's suggested that the Compagnie (which BLL claim was itself the 'front' for the Priory) was an organizing force behind the "Fronde." Somehow, the section in HBHG that discussed this had me confused, thinking these things had occurred in different time periods. It could be
[CTRL] Blood on the Mountain
-Caveat Lector- from: prioryofsion digest 624 http://www.onelist.com The mailing list resource page can be found at the following address http://www.albino.com/circle/pos/ an always interesting list. Om K - Message: 1 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:37:03 +0100 From: bxx Subject: blood on the mountain over the weekend i managed to finish reading "blood on the mountain" by richard andrews i was left with more questions than answers but i must say i enjoyed reading it botm is a straightforward history of temple mount from solomon to the present day that suggests the ark is still concealed within the mount - it includes some good stuff on wilson, warren and brownlow-parker's investigations but curiously almost ignores the work done during the isreali occupation after the 6 day war it is riddled with minor errors and a constant referral to the herodian temple as the second temple is irritating although this may pandering to a jewish thing of which i am unaware the acceptance of hiram abif - the freemasons temple architect - as a factual figure is curious and speculative analysis of his life and death is even more curious - it's a little like discussing whether father christmas enjoys reading shakespeare anyone with a knowledge of temple mount will get little from this book but it is a good starter for the initiate - lovers of pyramid puzzles will enjoy being told that one of the stones in temple mount wall weighs nearly 600 tons - how did they get it there? the question that remains uppermost in my mind is why a major jewish publisher should put out such a book with so many minor errors and why they should choose an amateur gentile to write on a subject that has so many eminent authorities who could have been called upon to write it up regards Pxx Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Some celestial news - Eta Carinae
-Caveat Lector- from: prioryofsion digest 627 http://www.onelist.com The mailing list resource page can be found at the following address http://www.albino.com/circle/pos/ Message: 25 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:14:33 -0400 From: sx Subject: some celestial news Cosmic Coincidence Control Center (Lilly's C4) is phucking me in the arse again. Eta carinae just doubled in brightness... from this morning's Gainesville Sun: "One of the most famous stars in the sky, Eta Carinae, has suddenly doubled in brightness... instruments focused on the star suggest its energy output has doubled or tripled in the last year and a half... what puzzles astronomers is that Eta Carinae was not supposed to do this. 'Occasionally something happens in astronomy that is so bewildering that it makes astronomers nervous... this is weird. We really don't understand,' said Kris Davidson, a University of Minnesota astrophysicist. Eta Carinae was a routine part of the sky in the Southern Hemisphere until the 1840s, when it suddenly erupted with a massive outflow of energy, dust, and gas. It became very, very bright and for 20 years it was one of the brightest in the southern sky... and then it started becoming dimmer and dimmer until it faded from view to the naked eye. Astronomers theorized, and later telescopic images confirmed, that the light from Eta Carinae faded because an immense cloud of dust from the eruption was obscuring the view. They forecast that it would be visible as the dust cleared. That happened about 20 years ago when Eta Carinae blinked into view, dimly at first, after an 80-year absence. Astronomers expected Eta Carinae to brighten gradually... but it surprised the experts. Over a matter of months, the star began spewing out vast amounts of energy in all bands of the electromagnetic spectrum. Astronomers had not expected such an energy burst for many decades. And its future may hold more surprises to come. Sometime in the next 10,000 years, Eta Carinae is expected to collapse suddenly and then explode. It could collapse, said Davidson, 'and become an instant black hole'." Any guesses which constellation Eta carinae is in? Well, you astronomy buffs will know it's in Argo Navis... alpha carinae is Canopus. Now, guess who eta carinae's associated with? Back to Allen, p.73: "Jensen claims it was one of the temple stars associated with Ea, or Eridhu, the Lord of the Waves, otherwise known as Oannes, the mysterious human fish and greatest god of the kingdom. [Footnotes: 1. Eridhu, or Eri-duga, the Holy City, Nunki, or Nunpe, one of the oldest cities in the world. In its vicinity the Babylonians located their sacred Tree of Life. 2. Berossus described Oannes as the teacher of early man in all knowledge; and in mythology he was even the creator of man and the father of Tammuz and Ishtar. Some have regarded him as the prototype of Noah.] The nebula surrounding this star has been called the Keyhole from its characteristic features; but the most brilliant portion, as drawn by Sir John Herschel, seems to have disappeared between 1837 and 1871. Near eta is a vacant space of irregular shape that Abbott has called the Crooked Billet; and there are two remarkable coarse clusters in its vicinity." Oh yeah. One other point, to kick you all upside the head. Speaking of death and resurrection spans of 70 years: According to Allen, the star reached its lowest recorded magnitude of 7.6 on March 1886. Anybody remember anything notable about the year 1956, 70 years later? Wasn't a certain organization supposedly 'reborn' into the modern era in that year? I got chills as I was writing this. And that doesn't happen often. Yours, Sxxx - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Nazi MI5
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:529668"Nazi MI5/A - Subject: Nazi MI5 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Corley) Date: Thu, Jun 3, 1999 9:31 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is an article which I faxed to MPs a few weeks ago. It's probably a little childish to compare even our own un-esteemed secret police to what happened in central Europe 50-60 years ago. This is the most extreme article I've ever written really. Don't be offended by it, it's only directed at a small group of people. *** Comparing the MI5 Persecution with German "Final Solution" *** It might seem offensive to compare the mass murder of millions of civilians in wartime with the peacetime persecution of merely one person. Yet the comparison has been coursing through my mind for several years now, because the brutality of German intent to "sub-humans" is very much comparable to the brutality of British intent to someone they vituperate and term "not up to British standards". The methods may differ, but the persecutors mindset is the same. --- The Germans first targeted the mentally disabled, too --- During WW2 millions of ethnic Russians, Poles, Jews, mentally ill, gypsies and other minorities were rounded up and murdered in purpose-built camps by the German regime, in the name of "racial superiority". Fifty years on, the British Secret Police, MI5, instituted a campaign of mass hysteria; but in their cowardice, limited their activities to one single victim. It is instructive to note that the early German "cleansing" effort was directed primarily not at Jews, but at the mentally ill. The Nazis set up the T4 project in the thirties to "cleanse" away 70,000 mentally disabled people, including schizophrenics and epileptics. After WW2 the Jews with their media influence used the reaction from the holocaust to roll back anti-semitism in the Western countries; however, the mentally ill are today still a persecuted group in the modern Western world as they were under the Nazis (the current home secretary in the UK intends to bring in laws for incarceration without any criminal charge for some mentally ill people - he protects his own minority, but does nothing for the other minorities in todays society), and this continuing bias forms a central cause for the current acts of persecution in the UK. --- Widespread knowledge of what is happening to the "un-British" minority --- In both the German persecution of the thirties and early forties, and the current British persecution, many, many people are well aware of whats happening. There is widespread complicity through inaction of populace; and in a substantial proportion of the mainstread population, the persecution had/has widespread enthusiastic support; yet in both the German case in the 1940s and the British today, the existence of persecution is a mass secret which must be never admitted out loud. In the recent Lawrence case this "secret bigotry" has been termed "institutionalised racism", and that is a very good word for what the British are doing today The persecutory attitudes and omerta regarding them are so deeply ingrained in the national psyche that they define the national mood During WW2 many Germans knew minorities were disappearing, and through inaction quietly condoned their government's mass murder of "un-German" minorities and inferior "foreigners"; and in the 1990s, similarly, many English people know what the MI5 British Secret Police have been doing, and not only condone it, but actively take part, because of xenophobia against the "un-British" unit minority that is the target of "British" actions. This attitude by the British persecutors has been made explicit through the words "he's not up to British standards"; the British seem to have found their very own "untermenschen" to victimise. --- Why these obsessive "holy wars" happen --- This type of aggression occurs when the majority is threatened or humiliated in some way, economically, militarily or culturally. In pre-WW2 Germany the threat was primarily economic and military, following Germany's humiliating defeat in the first world war and the reparations it was forced to pay. In modern Britain, one might guess that the majority English who are behind the persecution feel pressured by the swiftly diminishing status of Britain in the world, and the rapidly increasing coloured colonisation of their country, which in time will see the ethnic English a minority in their own land, and their more antisocial elements, unable to reply to the obvious threat, instead project their aggression onto another, weaker, unit minority In both cases there is a whiff of "holy war" or irrational obsession with the persecution. Certainly the German behaviour fifty years ago bordered on the not-quite-sane, and the current British behaviour towards their chosen victim is strongly tinged with a leave-taking of reason. And the choices open to the
[CTRL] Fwd: Moral War - Voices of Survivors
In a message dated 06/02/1999 3:38:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To the Editor, Elie Wiesel visits Kosovo, this Holocaust survivor and winner of the Nobel Peace Prize made his visit following a suggestion by President Clinton. The U.S. just finished a weekend of great celebrations of the past. Where are the voices from the past (like Wiesel) who insist on moral action? Who insist on facing the real world of here-and-how, on acting responsibly now and in the future? One such voice was a recent letter from a former prosecutor at Nuremberg. Are there others? Will they speak? Sincerely, Hugh Bone To the Editor, Elie Wiesel visits Kosovo, this Holocaust survivor and winner of the Nobel Peace Prize made his visit following a suggestion by President Clinton. The U.S. just finished a weekend of great celebrations of the past. Where are the voices from the past (like Wiesel) who insist on moral action? Who insist on facing the real world of here-and-how, on acting responsibly now and in the future? One such voice was a recent letter from a former prosecutor at Nuremberg. Are there others? Will they speak? Sincerely, Hugh Bone
[CTRL] You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.
-Caveat Lector- THURSDAY JUNE 03 1999 Murdering for morality I recently received a letter from a Libertarian who supports the NATO war against Serbia. He writes: "I see that the Libertarians are against the 'war' (or whatever it is) in Serbia, lest as ol' Abe Lincoln did some years ago, the state would grow. Gladly do I appreciate the fear of a growing state. "Yet to leave a mad dog such as Milosevic alive after such a butchery shows a level of callousness that I can not accept and still consider myself as moral. "True, there are other places such as the Sudan where we are not intervening. That absence is no excuse not to intervene somewhere. That somewhere at present is Serbia. And if nothing is done and Milosevic keeps his job, that means that in this evolving New World Order, the institution of government has the acknowledged, if unofficial, right to butcher its own citizens, to kill 'we the people.' "That can not be tolerated: mad dog governments must pay a price, even if there is a fear of enlarging governments." I understand your concerns, but I believe that, in your sympathy for some people, you're overlooking many other people -- and overlooking the consequences that would flow from getting what you want. First, if you believe everything you've read about the "butchery" and "callousness," and if you feel that your ability to "consider [yourself] moral" hinges on your doing something, then do it. But do you consider it moral to condemn to death other people, who are as innocent as you are, to satisfy your moral outrage? Do you consider it moral to force Americans who don't agree with you to pay for the instruments of death and destruction that are currently raining down on the guilty and innocent alike in Yugoslavia? Second, how did you arrive at your understanding of the "butchery" and "callousness"? Your appraisal necessarily is based mostly on what has been filtered through the Clinton administration and NATO headquarters. Bill Clinton's reputation for veracity is probably the worst in the world. This is the man who told you "the era of big government is over" and "I did not have sex with that woman," and who made up tales about church-burnings in his childhood and dozens of other fantasies you're probably well acquainted with. Is this the source for your knowledge about "brutality" and "callousness"? NATO has violated its own charter by waging war when none of its member nations has been attacked. So it is under strong pressure to demonize its enemy -- and can hardly be considered a reliable source of information. You were told by NATO that it had not bombed a train carrying Kosovar refugees, that Milosevic himself had done it -- but then NATO admitted it had bombed the train, but claimed that Milosevic had used the refugees as human shields. And then NATO admitted that everything it had said was wrong, and that NATO had caused "a tragic accident." You were told by NATO that the reason it has caused many innocent people to die in embassies and civilian installations is because it is using out-of-date maps. You were told by NATO that tens of thousands of young men had been murdered by the Serbs -- but, when pressed for evidence, NATO backed up this claim by saying a pilot had seen a freshly plowed field from thousands of feet up -- a field that NATO, with no further evidence, declared to be a mass grave. You were told by NATO that Milosevic has murdered all the leaders of the Kosovo Liberation Army -- but then the Los Angeles Times (May 17) reported that all the dead leaders were still walking around villages in Kosovo -- and that even the Kosovars discount most of the news of Serbian atrocities. This isn't to say that Slobodan Milosevic is really a good guy. He's a political thug, like so many world leaders. But what source of information has caused you to decide that thousands of innocent people must be put to death in order to make this particular thug pay a price? Third, have you considered how this war will set a precedent for future wars? The pundits applauded when Harry Truman illegally committed American troops to fight the Korean War. But that just made it easier for John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson to illegally commit troops to fight in Vietnam -- which made it easier yet for Richard Nixon to illegally bomb Cambodia, a neutral country. And that made it still easier for George Bush to commit troops to fight illegally in Iraq. And these precedents removed all possible restraints on Bill Clinton, so that he could willy-nilly bomb and kill innocent people in Iraq, the Sudan, Afghanistan, and now Serbia, Kosovo, Bulgaria, and Albania. How easy it will be now for the next president to bomb presumed drug fields in Mexico -- or terrorists supposedly hiding in Canada. Or perhaps he'll start a nuclear war
Re: [CTRL] Polluting CEO Sent to Prison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/03/1999 5:09:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christian A. Hansen Jr., 72, the ex-CEO of the New Jersey-based Hanlin Group Inc., also was ordered to pay a $20,000 fine over what some environmental officials have called one of the worst cases of industrial pollution in the country. Alfred R. Taylor, the former manager at the LCP Chemicals-Georgia Inc. plant, also was sentenced Wednesday to six and a half years in prison. Wow, with hefty fines like that handed down, Dow will probably be buying the adjacent property. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-06-03 15:02:32 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Weeelll, after long deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that the nation's, not to say the world's, perhaps even the galaxy's, problems, can be directly (or indirectly) traced to the pernicious and surprisingly widespread practice of allowing marriage between different sexes. (The mind recoils at the mere sight of this horrifying statement on my monitor screen.) Remember, marriage --marriage to anyone or anything-- is the number one cause of divorce, and therefore, of broken families and all the human woes caused by that ... And let us not forget that the number one cause of death --ultimately responsible for ALL deaths, I hear on good authority-- is sex, leading to the victim's conception. It's time our do-nothing legislators starting punishing these heinous antisocial acts, marriage and procreation, since they're the REAL source of all our social problems! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/03/1999 3:37:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 99-06-03 15:02:32 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Weeelll, after long deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that the nation's, not to say the world's, perhaps even the galaxy's, problems, can be directly (or indirectly) traced to the pernicious and surprisingly widespread practice of allowing marriage between different sexes. (The mind recoils at the mere sight of this horrifying statement on my monitor screen.) Remember, marriage --marriage to anyone or anything-- is the number one cause of divorce, and therefore, of broken families and all the human woes caused by that ... And let us not forget that the number one cause of death --ultimately responsible for ALL deaths, I hear on good authority-- is sex, leading to the victim's conception. It's time our do-nothing legislators starting punishing these heinous antisocial acts, marriage and procreation, since they're the REAL source of all our social problems! Lovely funny. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bank of Scotland under fire over ties to Pat Robertson
-Caveat Lector- "In Europe, the big word is tolerance," Robertson said. "Homosexuals are riding high in the media. ... And in Scotland, you can't believe how strong the homosexuals are. It's just unbelievable." What? Has the Rever-end Robertson, this devoutly dollar-worshipping TV evangelist, never set foot in San Francisco, or New York, or Los Angeles, or Chicago, or any of the other metropolitan areas in his OWN native source of revenue, the US of A? Seems it's: If you can't stand the heat, try the kitchen in somebody ELSE's house. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) [FAIR-L] Media Advisory: WHAT REPORTERS KNEW ABOUT KOSOV
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:25:47 -0400 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: FAIR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[FAIR-L] Media Advisory: WHAT REPORTERS KNEW ABOUT KOSOVO TALKS -- BUT DIDN'T TELL To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAIR-L Fairness Accuracy in Reporting Media analysis, critiques and news reports Media Advisory: WHAT REPORTERS KNEW ABOUT KOSOVO TALKS -- BUT DIDN'T TELL Was Rambouillet Another Tonkin Gulf? June 2, 1999 New evidence has emerged confirming that the U.S. deliberately set out to thwart the Rambouillet peace talks in France in order to provide a "trigger" for NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia. Furthermore, correspondents from major American news organizations reportedly knew about this plan to stymie the Kosovo peace talks, but did not inform their readers or viewers. FAIR's May 14 media advisory, "Forgotten Coverage of Rambouillet Negotiations," ( http://www.fair.org/press-releases/kosovo-solution.html asked whether the media had given the full story on Rambouillet. News reports almost universally blamed the failure of negotiations on Serbian intransigence. The headline over a New York Times dispatch from Belgrade on March 24 - the first day of the bombing - read "U.S. Negotiators Depart, Frustrated By Milosevic's Hard Line." But the evidence presented in "Forgotten Coverage" suggested that it was U.S. negotiators, not the Serbs, who blocked an agreement. Now, in the June 14 issue of the Nation, George Kenney, a former State Department Yugoslavia desk officer, reports: An unimpeachable press source who regularly travels with Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told this [writer] that, swearing reporters to deep-background confidentiality at the Rambouillet talks, a senior State Department official had bragged that the United States "deliberately set the bar higher than the Serbs could accept." The Serbs needed, according to the official, a little bombing to see reason. In other words, the plan for Kosovo autonomy drafted by State Department officials was intentionally crafted to provoke a rejection from Serb negotiators. In his Nation article, Kenney compares this plan to the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Providing further confirmation of Kenney's account, Jim Jatras, a foreign policy aide to Senate Republicans, reported in a May 18 speech at the Cato Institute in Washington that he had it "on good authority" that a "senior Administration official told media at Rambouillet, under embargo" the following: "We intentionally set the bar too high for the Serbs to comply. They need some bombing, and that's what they are going to get." In interviews with FAIR, both Kenney and Jatras asserted that these are actual quotes transcribed by reporters who spoke with a U.S. official. They declined to give the names or affiliations of the reporters. The revelation that American reporters knew about a U.S. strategy to create a pretext for NATO's war on Yugoslavia - but did not report on it - raises serious questions about the independence of mainstream news organizations. More reporting is needed on the origins of this war, as well as the opportunities for peace that may have been overlooked. This release will be updated as new information becomes available. This media advisory was written by FAIR media analyst Seth Ackerman ( mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ). -- Feel free to respond to FAIR ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ). We can't reply to everything, but we will look at each message. We especially appreciate documented example of media bias or censorship. All messages to the 'FAIR-L' list will be forwarded to the editor of the list. Also, please send copies of email correspondence, including any responses, to us at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Feel free to spread this message around. Put it on conferences where it is appropriate. We depend on word of mouth to get our message out, so please let others know about FAIR and this mailing list. Don't miss a single email from FAIR-L. To subscribe to FAIR-L send a "subscribe FAIR-L enter your full name" command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The subscriber list is kept confidential, so no need to worry about spammers. You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF FAIR-L" command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please support FAIR by becoming a member. You will receive FAIR's magazine, EXTRA! and its newsletter, EXTRA! Update. You can become a member by calling 1-800-847-3993 from 9 to 5 Eastern Time (be sure to tell them you got the information on-line) or by sending $19 with your name and address to: FAIR/EXTRA! Subscription Service P.O. Box 170 Congers, NY 10920-9930 FAIR
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay.2/2
-Caveat Lector- Nope, not in America. Of course we can't say for sure, but that's where my bet is. Yep, people with guns of course occasionally kill people. I'm excluding from the equation all forms of government -- in which you seem to have so much inherent faith -- whose guns have always killed people in ASTRONOMICAL proportions compared to day-to-day murders other crimes, or even mass-murdering psychotics on ritalin. However, the number of DEFENSIVE uses of guns -- many of which entail merely showing the weapon without a shot ever being fired -- far, FAR outweighs the number of perpetrators. www.nvcdl.org - Lyn -Original Message- From: nurev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The simple straight fact is PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE. Remove either one from the equation, and the outcome changes drastically. It is easier to remove guns than people from the equation. That is why it will happen. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] TOO CLOSE TO THE REAL TRUTH??
-Caveat Lector- The only "agenda showing" here is your inane off-meds blather. = At 09:52 AM 6/3/99 -0700, E Mael wrote: corporal punishment, would that include kent state and tianimen square; methinks this day doth protest too much. maybe you ought to get past covering the crimes of your betters with your finger pointing. and speaking of big bright asses in the noon day sun; your agenda is showing. oh do tell me how logical you are and how the cool light of reason is the guide for your agenda. nothing as petty as avarice would ever guide your hand. your personal crimes do not look so bad when you can point fingers a larger crime without. something about fussing about the sliver in your neighbor's eye takes your mind off of the 12 x12 plank in your own eye. paipas! ya he got paipas. my resume is written in the sky and i am proud of it. everyone who has had the priveledge to behold it are very impressed, but you my little puppy dog, will have to wait until you manage to remove the plank from your eye to see it. stop bothering me, you are a bore and a bother. certainly not resume material as far as i can see. --- "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Undoing the Reformation -- Round Two: Pope 1, Luther 0
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/3/99 5:19:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Vatican, Lutherans Resolve Dispute VATICAN CITY (AP) -- Coming to terms in a centuries-old dispute, Roman Catholic and Lutheran officials will release an accord next week on the means of salvation, both sides said Wednesday. The Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification is meant to resolve a doctrinal debate at the heart of the 16th-century Protestant Reformation, which split Western Christianity. These are ominous signs indeed. It seems that Rome is going to be THE religion of the coming New World Order. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) Behind the Economic Miracle
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:30:54 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Behind the "Economic Miracle" Institute for Public Accuracy 915 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. 20045 (202) 347-0020 * http://www.accuracy.org * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Thursday, June 3, 1999 BEHIND THE "ECONOMIC MIRACLE" JOEL BLAU, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Author of the just-released "Illusions of Prosperity: America's Working Families in an Age of Economic Insecurity," Blau said: "Below the rosy surface of economic exuberance lurk low-paying jobs, job insecurity, corporate downsizing and massive inequality. The average worker's pay (in real terms) actually declined 8 percent from 1973 to 1997. CEO compensation has skyrocketed so much that if other salaries had kept pace, the typical factory worker would now be earning $90,000 a year and the income from a minimum wage job would yield $39,000 annually." HELENE JORGENSEN, [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.2030.org Senior policy fellow at the 2030 Center, Jorgensen said: "People are working more and more hours, more and more jobs -- and more family members are working. Young workers entering the labor market now are getting paid substantially less than their parents. A high school graduate today makes 28 percent less than a young man with a high school degree did in 1973. Even with people with a college degree, you still see a decline of 8 percent in their starting salaries. Very few manufacturing jobs with benefits remain; rather, we see service sector jobs that are typically low paying. There has been growth in non-standard jobs, like temp agency workers who are paid less than people with a regular job and don't have health insurance." JANE D'ARISTA, [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.fmcenter.org Director of programs at the Financial Markets Center, D'Arista said: "This is a prosperity that is based on intolerable levels of debt by households, businesses, and state and local governments. Further, it's debt that is being fueled not by savings -- because net personal savings have fallen virtually to zero -- but by inflows of foreign savings. It's a very vulnerable situation and one that should not be considered sustainable for very long." For more information, contact at the Institute for Public Accuracy: Sam Husseini, (202) 347-0020; David Zupan, (541) 484-9167 AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) June FECInfo Update
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: 03 Jun 99 1426 EST From: Public Disclosure, Inc / FECInfo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:June FECInfo Update Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** FECInfo / Public Disclosure, Inc http://www.tray.com *** The latest FEC data is on-line! There are 613 candidates that have received PAC or Individual contributions during 1999. Take a look at the list at http://www.tray.com/cgi-win/_2000.exe?3 REMINDER: The next Presidential filings are due July 15th. The next filings by all non-Presidential candidates is due on July 31st. Take a look at our comprehensive PAC pages that now include cross-cycle graphs and lobby data. Here's Microsoft's page: http://www.tray.com/cgi-win/_pacpg.exe?C0022754698 Lobby registrations as they become available can be found here: http://www.tray.com/cgi-win/lb_reg.exe * NEW SOFT MONEY!! The following soft money was received by the national party committees during April 1999. This data has been culled from the paper FEC reports filed May 20-26th. This data will not be available in electronic form from the FEC for another month. The DNC and the NRCC will not report their soft money until July 1999. SMART QUESTIONS TO ASK Is there someone listed from your state that you don't know? Who are they? Why are they giving? Who asked them to give? Why did some first time soft money givers start with a $100,000 donation? Shown with an *. FINANCIAL Thomas F. Marsico, Englewood, CO, CEO Marisco Capital Management, $100,000 3/24 to RNC *Arnold Y. Aronoff, Suite 340, 1533 N. Woodward Ave, Bloomfield Hills, MI, Landon Corp, $100,000 4/22 to RNC *Pa. Capital, Mellon Bank Center, Suite 2800, 1735 Market Street, Philadelphia, PA, $100,000 4/7 to RNC Barrie A. Wigmore, NY, NY, partner, Goldman, Sachs and Co $100,000 4/28 to DCCC Henry R. Kravis, NY, NY, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, $50,000 4/9 to RNC Thomas E. McInerney, NY, NY, $50,000 4/27 to NRSC Goldman Sachs New York PAC, NY, NY $40,000 4/29 to RNC Conseco Services, Carmel, IN, $40,000 4/29 to RNC Orin Kramer (Kramer Spellman), Fort Lee, NJ, $30,000 4/20 to DSCC Securities Industry Assn, Washington, DC, $25,000 4/30 to DCCC Chicago Mercantile Exchange, Washington, DC, $25,000 4/29 to NRSC American Community Bankers, Washington, DC, $25,000 4/29 to NRSC; $5,000 4/29 to DCCC Bond Market Assn, NY, NY, $25,000 4/27 to RNC; $250 4/29 to NRSC Bradford M. Freeman, Los Angeles, banker, Freeman Spogli Co, $25,000 TO RNC Patrick M. Nesbitt, Los Angeles, CA, Chairman, Windsor Capital Group, $25,000 4/13 to RNC Craig L. Berkman, Portland OR, investor, $25,000 4/14 to RNC Dennis J. Keegan, Greenwich, CT, investment banker, $25,000 4/15 to RNC Jay I. Kislak, Miami, FL, Chairman, Kislak Mortgage Corp, $25,000 4/20 to RNC Mr. And Mrs. John William Galbraith, St. Petersburg, FL, retired, $25,000 to RNC John P. Manning, Boston, MA, President, Boston Capital Partners, $12,500 4/22 to DSCC; $12,500 4/30 to DCCC Business General U.S.Tobacco Public Affairs, Greenwich, CT, $50,000 4/30 to RNC; $10,000 4/20 to DSCC; $60,000 4/20 to NRSC McKinley Assoc., Ann Arbor, MI, $100,000 4/30 to RNC Bell Atlantic, Washington, DC, $100,000 4/29 to RNC SBC Communications, St. Louis, MO $42,500 4/14 to DCCC, $42,500 4/20 to DCCC; $2,500 4/29 to RNC Bell South, Washington, DC $85,000 4/29 to NRSC Air Transport Assn, Washington, DC, $25,000 4/15 to NRSC, $30,000 4/7 to RNC, $15,000 4/9 to RNC ARCO, Washington, DC, $25,000 4/28 to DCCC, $50,000 4/7 to RNC Akin, Gump, Strauss, Haver Feld, Washington, DC, $50,000 4/20 to RNC American Standard, Piscataway, NJ, $50,000 4/15 to RNC Southern Garden Citrus, Clewiston, FL, $50,000 4/27 to RNC United States Sugar Corp, Clewiston, FL, $50,000 4/27 to RNC Forida Crystals Corp, Palm Beach, FL, $25,000 4/30 to RNC Tyco International, Washington, DC and Boca Raton, FL $25,000 4/12 to DCCC; $15,000 4/30 to RNC National Assn of Real Estate Investment Trusts, Washington, DC, $25,000 3/30 to NRSC; $15,000 4/22 to DCCC Gray Co, Metairie, LA, $40,000 4/13 to RNC Bechtel National Inc, Oak Ridge, TN, $25,000 4/13 to RNC; $10,000 4/28 to DCCC Hoechst, Marion, Roussel Inc, Kansas City, MO, $5,000 4/23 to NRSC; $15,000 4/27 to RNC Hoechst Celanese, Dallas, TX, $15,000 4/9 to RNC Lockheed Martin Corp, Fort Worth, TX, $30,000 4/28 to DCCC May Department Stores, St. Louis, MO, $25,000 4/20 to RNC; $5,000 4/27 to NRSC Chemical Manufacturers Assn, Arlington,VA, $30,000 4/20 to RNC US Airways, Arlington, VA, $30,000 4/8 to NRSC (in kind) Aina Holdings Inc, Washington, DC, $25,000 4/12 to DCCC Baron Budd, PC, Dallas, TX, $25,000 4/30 to DCCC G.I. Holdings, Wayne, NY, $25,000 4/14 to NRSC Avondale Industries, New Orleans, LA,
Re: [CTRL] Undoing the Reformation -- Round Two: Pope 1, Luther 0
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Teo One Thousand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vatican, Lutherans Resolve Dispute These are ominous signs indeed. It seems that Rome is going to be THE religion of the coming New World Order. Imperial Orthodoxy broke with Nazarene Xianity around CE 500; Roman Catholicism broke with Byzantine Orthodoxy around CE 1000; Protestantism broke with Catholicism roughly around CD 1500. If history plays out, Xianity is now undergoing, or is about to experience, another schism of equal significance. Maybe Mormons will become the Dominant Heresy; maybe, when Pope John Paul II proclaims the divinity of Mary, Catholicism will split into pro- and anti-Marian factions; maybe a Yeshua/UFO cult will sweep the Xian world. Whatever the details, it's unlikely that Rome will monopolize the spirit biz. Consider how factions of Mormons, Moonies, LaRouchites, Scientologists and Old Catholics are vying for control of the US national security apparatus - watch this struggle VERY closely, for a hint at what's to come. Are any of these groups just fronts, or are Illuminati, Bilderbergers, Old Freemasons, fronts for yet other groups? Peel back the layers - what's at the heart of the onion? *IS* there a heart, or are there only more layers, more layers... ?? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] . . . [socialists exposed]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/3/99 11:49:05 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are the sports nuts (sports is out unofficial secular religion) who want the educational system to be an extension of the professional sports teams.. Now Mr. Tunstall, I hardly think that using our schools as a filter or a culling ground to weed out the less physically gifted is socialistic, hell no! It's the 'Merican way!!! Seperate the seed from the grain so that the big political contributors, on BOTH sides o' da' aisle, can dig their hooks into these potential cash cows...it's actually capitalistic pal...the agents get their cut, the owners their's, the networks enjoy a nice slice, and we the fan enjoy these pieces of meat until they blow out a knee or get KO'd one too many times...Hell I know that I do!!! Anyway, it's not as though any of these steroid monkeys hold the cure for cancer (the gubbmint' already does) or the key to world peace, so who really gives a rats rase? Not me! Bring on the fodder so I can spill beer on myself and cheer on the local hero!!! 'Mercer, ay' just GOTTA love it!! Bill Shannon. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Constitutional gun control
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/3/99 12:27:10 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, thanks to Clinton's blood banks - how many Canadians have become infected with AIDS? Colleen...one must ask...who really cares They ain't US!!! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #3
-Caveat Lector- # Mummy Skulls Seized. LIMA (Reuters) Peruvian cops seized 4 well-preserved pre-Incan mummy skulls, bones and artifacts that smugglers hoped to ship to Miami. The skulls, still with some dark skin, red-brown hair and teeth, have survived because Paracas and Chiribaya cultures, which ruled much of Peru's southern coast up to 3,800 years ago, mummified their dead in a ritual to protect their souls. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990528/16/odd-mummies Well, I am certainly relieved to hear that countries outside of the U.S. are beginning to see the light in cracking down on wetbacks! We have a terrible problem with the smuggling of illegal South Americans into our country! One question, though -- being a mummy myself, I'm curious to know what became of their children? Did these hussies plan to simply skip into Miami and leave the little ones behind? Were the children sold into prostitution or as harvested organs? Gives mummies a bad name, I say. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Quote of the day
-Caveat Lector- "In "God's Spies," Lewis Lapham's essay on the practice of surveillance and the striving for federal omniscience, he observes that Americans no longer resist governmental invasions of privacy. This can't be surprising. Americans have apparently come to loathe privacy, their own or anybody else's. A week's worth of casual channel surfing gives the proof. Take MTV's Loveline, on which a real young woman -- somebody's daughter or, quite possibly, someday somebody's mother -- voluntarily called in recently to discuss her boyfriend's desire to insert not just his penis but both testicles during intercourse. She wanted, as I recall, to know if this was normal or at all dangerous. Or watch America's Funniest Home Videos, on network television, which never seems to want for homemade tapes of people falling down drunk at their own weddings or getting hit in the groin by flying objects. These tapes are not seized by heartless governmental investigators; people submit them willingly, gleefully. Need I even mention Jerry Springer? "Americans who can't get on television can always turn to the Internet. Millions of them have put up Web pages devoted to themselves. In these bizarre advertisements for Brand Me, they eagerly give away, to a global audience, their names, addresses, birth dates, lists of favorite movies and CDs, and sexual activities, often illuminating any or all of these interests with digitized photos. "So who cares about privacy? The only invasive police that Americans would fear is one that forced them to stop talking about themselves." - A. Kam Napier, from a letter in the May 1999 Harper's Magazine Submitted by: Terry Labach Jun. 1, 1999 -- Send quotation submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list changes or requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Nazi MI5
-Caveat Lector- hi, You have my best wishes Mike - Andrew Hennessey [Targetted Individual] 15 years DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Some celestial news - Eta Carinae
-Caveat Lector- "One of the most famous stars in the sky, Eta Carinae, has suddenly doubled in brightness... instruments focused on the star suggest its energy output has doubled or tripled in the last year and a half... what puzzles astronomers is that Eta Carinae was not supposed to do this. this from a science list: Eta Carinae (NGC 3372), presumably. People have been waiting for it to go supernova for decades. 150 years ago it was up to magnitude -1, as bright as they come, then it faded again. Wait for the bang, maybe. Damien Broderick Andrew Hennessey Transformation Studies Group Edinburgh Scotland DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] To All
-Caveat Lector- I will be away from the computer for the next week, so if any of you wish to contact me or send me e-mail, please be aware that I will not be able to respond to you until I get back. Keep everything civil while I'm gone (yeah, right!). Cheers Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Sherman Skolnick Sounds Off!
Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com http://www.konformist.com/skolnick/skolnick.htm http://www.konformist.com/skolnick/1999/ss051899.htm http://www.konformist.com/skolnick/1999/ss052699.htm http://www.konformist.com/skolnick/1999/ss053199.htm Sherman H. Skolnick Recorded phone message: (773) 731-1100 Office, 8 A.M. to midnight, 7 days: (773) 375-5741 9800 So. Oglesby Ave., Chicago IL 60617-4870 05-18-1999 BLACKMAIL AND EMERGENCIES By Sherman H. Skolnick Producer/Moderator, Public Access Cable TV Program "Broadsides" Since 1963, Founder/Chairman, Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts The role of blackmail and orchestrated emergencies is approaching fever pitch in the U.S. Capitol and a few other places. Item: Vice President AL Gore, Jr. contends to confidants that the report by the House Committee headed by Christopher Cox [R-47th, CA] is a blackmail device. Parts of the report have apparently been leaked out to the New York Times and members of the French Press. It deals with serious national security violations in respect to top nuclear secrets given to the Red Chinese. Reportedly directly implicated bought-and-paid-for treason are President William Rockefeller Clinton , with a somewhat lesser role by V.P Gore. Knowledgeable sources contend, based on this in items even beyond the Cox Report and other data, there is sufficient reasons available to force from office the President, the Vice President, and the current Secretary of State Madeleine Albright who although 5th in line of Presidential succession is not eligible as non-U.S. born. If Clinton and Gore are forced to the wall, set to become acting President would be Speaker of the House, J. Dennis Hastert [R-14th, Ill.] Hastert became Speaker when Speaker-Designate Bob Livingstone [R-1st, LA] was reportedly scandal-fingered with the crooked aid of ABC newsfaker Cokie Roberts. [Her father, Cong. Hale Boggs of Louisiana, started to go public with his regrets about his role on the Warren Commission proclaiming a lone assassin, not the CIA, assassinated President John F. Kennedy. As Boggs started to go public with his misgivings, he was murdered by way of a "disappeared plane" scenario in Alaska, one month before the re-election of President Nixon who was implicated in the Dallas JFK murder. The Clinton Justice Department is quietly, not in open Court, seeking a reported injunction or other Court remedy to stop the circulation of a new book, Betrayal--How the Clinton Administration Undermined American Security, by Bill Gertz. The Justice Department contends the book is revealing forbidden national security secrets as to Clinton, Gore, and others. So far there seems to be no comment from the publisher, Regnery Publishing, Inc., P.O. Box 97199, Washington, D.C. 20090-7199. Item: Clinton's handlers and controllers are prepared to set in motion an orchestrated financial emergency, a gimmick so far set for Summer, 1999. Clinton as puppet is preparing to announce the use of his Emergency Powers, by way of the War Powers Act of 1917 never withdrawn or rescinded, to force all Americans to turn in all 20, 50, and 100 dollar denominated paper currency that does not have the new metal-like strip embedded in the newer-issued currency. Americans would have one-week to turn in their old currency, after which, for the first time in U.S. history, the older currency would be void. Unlike the U.S., in Europe for centuries the central governments profit by outlawing the old paper money after a certain quick cut-off date to turn it in. Those with large quantities of the older paper purported U.S. money [actually, Federal Reserve notes backed by nothing but hot air, no gold, no silver, nothing] are subject to being grilled by federal authorities as to how and where they got and have so much paper money. Questions to be asked, with demand for quick, documented answers: [1} Did you report this on your state and federal income tax returns and pay tax on this as income? [2] If not, where else did such a quantity of paper money come from? Can you prove that it did not come from illicit transactions, dope, gun smuggling, bribery? Upon being unable to give quick, on-the-spot answers with documentation suitable to the inquisitors, your older paper money may be confiscated, without a receipt being issued and without legal recourse to having it turned in for the new paper money. And will the new paper money be issued, dollar for dollar, or will you lose because of a devaluation, such as 50 of the new dollar paper money for each 100 denominated of the older paper money? Quietly, the federal Gestapo is seeking to refit metal-type detecting apparatus in airports, and to be installed in major train and bus stations so as to be able to detect if your luggage and you are carrying the currency with the metal-like strip. Some overly clever folks with tweezers have pulled out the strips from their
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Littleton: NATO/Baltimore Attack
Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com http://www.konformist.com/1999/colorado.htm http://www.konformist.com/1999/colorado/nato.htm http://www.konformist.com/1999/colorado/threats.htm Subj: NATO/Baltimore Attack Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 05:25:49 AM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE COLUMBINE MASSACRE CONSPIRACY AND COVERUP IN LITTLETON ©1999 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk, Inc. All Rights Reserved INCREDIBLE NEW DEVELOPMENTS NATO AT COLUMBINE! In what this reporter feels is some of the most bizarre, disturbing, inexplicable and chilling news yet about the Columbine High School shooting incident is news that a large NATO truck--possible more than one--and obviously at least some NATO troops, were reportedly present at Columbine High School within MINUTES AFTER THE SHOOTING BROKE OUT! I ws notified by email by a TV viewer who DISTINCTLY recalls seeing the NATO vehicle while watching local TV station Fox-WFLD in Chicago shortly after the massacre began. The local station was picking up a live feed from a CNN chopper in the air above Columbine High School. We have spoken with a station representative of WFLD and can at least verify that indeed they WERE broadcasting the feed as stated. WFLD however apparently has no video record of their own as they were rebroadcasting CNN's (live) video. This information is EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT, powerful evidence of what an utter lie the entire American populace is living under regarding the true, fundamental status of our nation, who's actually running it, and it's very socio/political foundations. This is literally DEVASTATING news for any of us who still believe we live in some sort of "free," sovereign democratic republic. It has long been postulated, with some very good evidence to back it up, that the Denver area is one of the primary command, control and support hangouts for the NEW WORLD ORDER crew. Reams of evidence far to extensive to go over here give substantial weight to such statements. This is what was reported regarding what our contact saw while watching the Columbine tragedy unfold on TV. ."I saw a NATO bomb squad from a live helicopter shot on TV,: ...it made me wonder what they were doing there, who were the good guys and who were the bad? OK, this is what I saw on FOX WFLD Chicago. They had a live feed coming from CNN and early on in the transmission they had a aerial view from a helicopter, at about 12:30 CST. In the parking lot right outside of the school there was what what looked like a blue moving van and in front of the truck there was a four foot blue curved shield (looking like a half of a barrel) with the letters of NATO clearly marked on this armor. Well the camera did a close up but after only a couple of seconds that feed was cut. I am POSITIVE about what I saw on FOX WFLD Chicago within the first hour of coverage." ANYONE who recalls seeing this while watching the CNN live camera feed from a chopper PLEASE contact NewsHawk at once! NewsHawk has also since received further verification and corroboration that NATO military personnel were present at Columbine from people who saw such personnel with NATO body shields on CNN almost IMMEDIATELY after the massacre began--meaning they may well have been there ALREADY!! The following supportive testimony from ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is indicative of what we've received. "To MY AMAZEMENT I saw a dark colored outfitted person with a personal protection shield walking around and on the top of this shield it said = N A T O in white!! I said what in the hell are they doing there, 15 minutes probably into the scene?? !!! I'm guessing about the time John because this was MINUTES INTO WHEN THEY STARTED TO COVER IT LIVE (CNN or FOX)." (This correlates time-wise with information revealed by my contact in Chicago watching live CNN footage a NATO vehicle at Columbine.-JQ) "I was going for NBC and flipped down both CNN and FOX: they're two channels apart so hard telling." John Whitney The presence of NATO personnel and equipment operating ANYWHERE on American soil is utterly and extraordinarily outrageous; and a complete, total violation in every possible way of what WE BELIEVE TO BE our national sovereignty. Furthermore, aside from these terribly serious implications just noted, the presence of NATO personnel and equipment at Columbine High so soon after the shooting began appears HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS in terms of their possible involvement in some way with the mayhem and murder itself, as this contingent was apparently literally on the scene immediately--if not sooner. Additionally we have noted that FBI personnel in riot gear were also on the scene at Columbine EXTREMELY QUICKLY--if you get the drift. I guess FBI riot squads and NATO vehicles and personnel just happened to be in the neighborhood of Columbine High School that morning. Okay. Adding additional weight to the reported presence of NATO
[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: Robert Anton Wilson at The Prophets Conference ~ Port Townsend
The Prophets Conference ~ Port Townsend, taking place the weekend of August 27-29 in the idyllic and picturesque setting of Port Townsend, Washington, is bringing together an extraordinary group of visiting faculty to explore two main themes: The UFO: Anomaly, Reality, Implications and Evoking the Numinous: A Path of Revelation, Evolution, Awakening. One of the mind opening conference presenters is the erudite, witty, and genuinely scary, Robert Anton Wilson, who will be joining Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Joe Firmage, Dr. Jack Sarfatti, Joan Ocean, and Dr. Steven Greer on the UFO panel. Wilson will also be presenting an individual teaching during this historic event entitled, Theres a Seeker Born Every Minute, where he will wax sarcastic (or witty) about both dogmatic Believers and dogmatic Deniers. He will be joined during his presentation by one of Americas truly great and prophetic novelists, Tom Robbins, a non-dogmatic person reportedly raised by wild dingoes in the Australian outback. Other presenters at the conference include Gregg Braden, Ilona Selke, and James Twyman. You will find full information on The Prophets Conference ~ Port Townsend linked at http://www.greatmystery.org/prophets.html. Looking forward to seeing you in August. Cody -- About Robert Anton Wilson Dazzling the most thrilling tilt-a-whirls and daring loop-o-planes on the midway of higher consciousness. -Tom Robbins Weve needed this for a long time -Henry Miller, author of Tropic of Cancer What great physicist hides behind the mask of Wilson? -New Scientist One Of The Leading Thinkers Of The Modern Age -Barbara Marx Hubbard -- (Excerpt from COSMIC TRIGGER III: My Life After Death by Robert Anton Wilson) FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE In Which a Paper Rattlesnake Turns Around and Bites Us in the Ass Professor, you've got a bad case of Gogo on the Magogo. -Spellbound No ordinary tomato could do this, but- -Attack of the Killer Tomatoes On April 24, 1989, when glasnost had already come to bloom but before the final break-up of the Soviet Union, a man named Ivan Vesalova in Cherepovetsk saw or imagined a craft of enormous size, bigger than any airplane, hovering about a thousand feet above the ground. Just another UFO sighting. Nothing special. We all know that Vesalova might have actually seen an airplane distorted by lighting and weather, or a balloon, or a heat inversion. Those of us open-minded enough-or mad enough, as you will-to think he might have seen an alien spaceship do not need to rush in haste to the True Believer position of changing "might have seen" to a dogmatic and fervent "did see." We just don't know, and most of us prefer to remain dubious about such a case, where multiple earthly explanations seem quite likely. On June 6, in Konantsevo, several children reported the landing of a luminous sphere in a meadow. They saw, or hallucinated--, as you will, a headless person climb out. Then, like a special effect in a sci-fi movie, both the craft and the headless ginkus disappeared. Just faded away... Well, maybe the kids had smoked some decadent Capitalist weed. Maybe they just wanted to hoax the grown-ups and invented it all. Maybe...maybe...We do not get beyond "maybe" in cases like this, unless we have a Dogma in mind and want to force the data to fit it. On June 11 in Volagda a woman reported a fiery sphere crossing the sky, visibly for about seventeen minutes. Maybe she saw a meteor. Maybe she saw a space ship. You decide such maybes definitely only if you made up your mind long, long ago that you would always decide them that way. For several days in October that year, in the town of Voronezhan industrial center of about one million inhabitants--scores of witnesses reported landings of spherical craft. They also reported gigantic extraterrestrials (twelve to fourteen feet high) who got out of the craft and went walking around the city park. They even saw or hallucinated several cases of seeming "teleportations"--people who vanished from one place and then re-appeared elsewhere. The witnesses to all this weirdness did not number two or three, who might have hatched a good hoax between them. In most cases, witnesses consisted of huge crowds. Kind of makes me wonder. George Lucas, as noted earlier, could fake this on film, but I don't know of any existing technology that would fake it in several parts of a "real," "solid" town. The alleged extraterrestrial allegedly had three eyes, according to some witnesses. Others denied that and said the Visitors (let's not assume we know what kind of space they came from) had a strange bump in their foreheads that looked only a little bit like a third eye. Many of the sightings had very large crowds of witnesses. For
[CTRL] Fwd: Reel and unreal
The Philadelphia Inquirer, June 3, 1999 from The Philadelphia Inquirer, Thursday, June 3, 1999 (http://philly.com/inquirer) = Reel and unreal In a wave of recent movies, characters grapple with the actual world versus alternative worlds. They find it hard to tell the difference. What is that saying about us? By Steven Rea INQUIRER MOVIE CRITIC In The Matrix, everybody - save Keanu Reeves and a band of renegades in way-cool sunglasses - walks around in a simulated universe, oblivious to the fact that humankind is being manipulated by an evil artificial intelligence. The question "What is real?" is asked more than once. In eXistenZ, people plug into fleshy gamepods that transport their consciousness to another realm - one that looks very much like the realm they just left. After a while it becomes difficult for the players, whose nervous systems are jacked directly into the game, to tell the difference. The question "What is real?" is asked more than once. In The Thirteenth Floor, a computer system transports people into an imaginary otherworld - a Hollywood noir 1930s - that nonetheless leaves a palpable impression, not to mention bloodstains, on the folks of millennial Los Angeles. The question "What is real?" is asked more than once. Invoking Plato, Descartes (The Thirteenth Floor begins with the father of modern philosophy's cerebral sound-bite: "I think, therefore I am"), and pulp scribe Philip K. Dick, Hollywood has discovered the paranoiac possibilities inherent in the universe(s) of virtual reality. These films, with their unfolding, Chinese box scenarios, are surfing a zeitgeistian wave. As the definition of reality blurs and bends, pictures such as The Matrix and eXistenZ reflect a growing sense that our culture is fracturing, that a collective psychosis is descending on the land. "VR movies have become a bona fide subgenre," says eXistenZ auteur David Cronenberg, who made the heroine of his dark VR movie a game designer because he sees her ilk as the new artists of the 21st century. With $155 million in box-office receipts for the spring smash The Matrix, Warner Bros. and filmmakers Andy and Larry Wachowski are already discussing a Matrix 2. The director brothers say they have ideas for a Matrix 3 as well. (They also have a series of electronic comic books, each with alternate Matrix plots, on the film's Web site, http://www.whatisthematrix.com) Neuromancer, adapted from William Gibson's seminal 1984 cyberpunk novel about a digital cowboy who hooks into something very much like the Matrix, is being developed by Seven Arts Pictures. And Chris Carter, creator of The X-Files, has a Fox series called Harsh Realm set for the fall. It, too, ventures into Matrix-land, with a hero who is recruited to take part in a virtual-reality battle simulator. The catch: Once he gets in, there's no way out. The government has put him into the "game" to find and kill a bad guy who's been messing with everybody's reality. Indeed, taking Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey several steps further, virtual reality has become a Hollywood metaphor for the fear that humans are ceding control of their lives to technology. "We're in danger of becoming fodder for our own systems," notes Michael Heim, author of The Metaphysics of Virtual Reality. Heim - who relayed his thoughts on VR movies, appropriately enough, via e-mail - has coined the term AWS, or Alternate World Syndrome. The Matrix, he says, "plays intellectually" with that theme. One needn't go as far as the Wachowskis to fear the cyber future, he says. "It's not necessary for our systems to become super-intelligent for them to make us fodder - or embryonic batteries - that serve them. We can become fodder in more profound ways." For Mark C. Taylor, author of About Religion: Economies of Fate in Virtual Culture, VR movies raise a raft of issues. A professor of humanities at Williams College, Taylor sees "explicit Baudrillard" in The Matrix. That's not like explicit sex, but an espousal of the tenets of French philosopher Jean Baudrillard about "simulacra" and the dystopic vision of "the desert of the real." In other words, that the simulated has replaced the real, and that the future will be a bleak and numbing place devoid of hope. "Whoever did The Matrix obviously knows some of what's going on in contemporary philosophy," says Taylor, whose work examines the way pop culture, cyber culture, religion and philosophy overlap. As the line between real and virtual blurs (look at the Web shrines dedicated to cyber sex symbol Lara Croft, the Tomb Raider video-game heroine, and at "synthespian" Jar Jar Binks in Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace) and the wrap-around worlds of video games and CD-ROMS become ever more sensorial, there's the danger of mounting cultural psychosis. "Each year we take steps toward creating virtual environments that are indiscernible from reality," says Richard Garriott, the
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Reel and unreal
-Caveat Lector- The Transhumans are already there - check out their archives - a generation of would be Cyber Gods - not all necessarily benevolent to the human race . Andrew Hennessey Transformation Studies Group Edinburgh Scotland Transhuman Mailing List Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:19:20 -0700 From: Robin Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Transhuman Mailing List Nick Bostrom suggested that he I take public our private conversation about definitions of transhumanism. I proposed: Transhumanism is the idea that new technologies are likely to change the world so much in the next century or two that our descendants will in many ways no longer be "human." I would suggest the following definition: Transhumanism is a philosophy of science that seeks to transform the human condition by biological, psychological and technological means through genetic, pharmacological and cybernetic enhancements. Transhumanism is a bridge between humanity and post-humanity in which our species is changed by our own purposeful, intelligent design of improvements. It sounds to me more like a definition that would be found in the likes of the Oxford (or Webster's) Dictionary or a brief encyclopedia entry. Web Master, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Futurist-Transhuman Think Tank (FTT), http://thefuturist.net on The Futurist Network (TFN)beta version http://thefuturist.net/index-TFN.html AOL IM: oneWWWorld ICQ: 15773184 *** * If you need to unsubscribe, send email saying "unsubscribe transhuman" * * to [EMAIL PROTECTED], without the quotes, from the SAME email address* * as the one you subscribed under! Yes, it is case-sensitive. Don't blame * * the admin for your spelling errors. * * Please email all technical problems to * * [EMAIL PROTECTED], NOT to the list. * *** Michel Bauwens wrote: However, it can be said that even if they are realisable, this technological transcendence is not real transcendence. Indeed, what techno-transhumanis wants to achieve is longer life, more time; having control over more space, etc.. Itall stays on the horizontal axis, stays within time and space, and doesn't actually go beyond it, doesn't move on the vertical axis. Hence technological transhumanism can in no real sense ever replace the need for genuine spirituality. I see transhumanism as involving increasing control over not just space/time/matter/energy but consciousness as well. Brain state control will include, for example, the ability to induce transcendent experience (kensho/satori/samadhi/nirvana) at will. Joining in a little late, but: From: Phil Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Transhumanism is the philosophy that we can and should overcome our (biological) limits by means of reason, science and technology." I think the spirit is right, but then aren't we transhumans if we skin an animal and wear its fur so that we can live in climates otherwise too cold for humans? Maybe we /should/ define transhumanism so that a caveman wearing a skin is a transhuman. But then a beaver wintering in its dam is a transbeaver... I still prefer Anders' definition to the others. Further to your transbeaver point, how does a beaver come to know how to build a dam? 1. Genetically inherited 2. Trial and error 3. Learning by observation If 2 or 3, then you probably do indeed have transbeavers. We have been transhuman for a very long time. Perhaps there is not much difference between a transhuman and a hom sap, which, IMHO, is a good thing for gaining acceptance in the community. I think it's a valuable point that opening your brain up and sticking a chip in is, in reality, different only in degree to wielding a sharp axe at a tree trunk. Both are expressions of transhumanism. justin wrote: Transhuman Mailing List Is it a commonly agreed idea in the world of transhumanism that if such things as souls exist, then machines in the future with the cognitive and "emotional" abilities of humans will be considered to possess them? And will they be given the same rights as human beings? I guess we are the "world of Transhumanism" :-) Welcome, Justin. This is IMO a good first basic question, and not on the surface "highly technical." IMO our consensus is that there is nothing essntial to humanity (in the sense of your question) in our physical implementation: we should be able to the features of "humanity" within a different implementation. I personally believe that you would need to discover a physical principle used in the construction of a human that cannot be used in the construction of any other implementation: Penrose (in "Emperor's New Mind") tries to invoke quantum physics, but I still don't get it, since I can use the same quantum
[CTRL] BUCHANAN TO CONGRESS: JUST SAY NO TO MFN
-Caveat Lector- Buchanan 2000 For Immediate Release: Thursday, June 3, 1999 BUCHANAN TO CONGRESS: JUST SAY NO TO MFN NEW YORK, NY -- Today, Presidential candidate Patrick J. Buchanan released the following statement: "For Mr. Clinton to again ask Congress to give China Most Favored Nation trade status, which means another $58 billion trade surplus for Beijing in 1999, after China deliberately trashed our embassy and held our ambassador a virtual hostage, represents a low point in American diplomacy. Mr. Clinton has shown himself to be not only an incompetent steward of America's national security secrets, but a derelict defender of her national honor. "Congress can no longer abdicate its role in shaping U.S. policy toward Communist China. Both the House and Senate should move to suspend Most Favored Nation trade status for Beijing. A regime that persecutes Christians, targets missiles on Taiwan, deploys ICBMs against our homeland, steals our nuclear secrets, and corrupts our elections is neither a friend nor a 'strategic partner' of the United States. For our own self-respect, the Clinton kowtowing to this brutalitarian regime must stop. "It is time for the Republican Party to put country before commerce and cease permitting itself to be perceived as simply the supine PAC of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce." For more information contact Bob Adams or John Aquino at (703) 734-2700. --30-- Help Pat and the Brigade in our Battle for the White House... Go to: http://www.gopatgo2000.org/000-v-helppat.html Spread the word -- forward this email across the USA! *** Don't Miss Out - Join the BRIGADE Email List! - Visit: Official WebSite for Patrick J. Buchanan for President Web: http://www.gopatgo2000.org *** BUCHANAN 2000 *** P.O. Box 2000, Dunn Loring, VA 22027 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 1-703-734-2700 WebMaster - Linda Muller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Trenchcoat Video made by an FBI Agent's Son
-Caveat Lector- Trenchcoat Video made by an FBI Agent's Son COLUMBINE VIDEO MADE in 97 w/FBI's Son !! = Columbine 'Trenchcoat Murder' Video Produced In 1997 with FBI lead investigator's son ! The following is reprinted from the Denver Rocky Mountain News. Comments are in (). FBI BACKS AGENT WITH CLOSE TIES TO COLUMBINE VIOLENT VIDEO MADE BY SON WHEN HE ATTENDED SCHOOL NOT CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AGENCY SAYS Denver Rocky Mountain News Officials with the FBI said Friday (5/22/99) their lead investigator in the Columbine High tragedy will stay in his post despite close ties to the school. Dwayne Fuselier's son graduated from Columbine in 1997 and was one of the students who produced a videotape more than two years ago that shows trenchcoat-wearing students armed with weapons moving through the school's halls. The film ends with four students walking away from the school as it explodes in flames. "I have complete faith and confidence in Dwayne Fuselier," said Keith DeVincentis, acting special agent in charge of the FBI's Denver office. In addition, FBI spokesman Gary Gomez said there was "absolutely no discussion" of reassigning Fuselier, 51, a PSYCHOLOGIST, in the wake of the disclosures in Friday's Denver Rocky Mountain News. "There is no conflict of interest," Gomez said. (What dimension is THIS guy from anyway? [JQ]) The tape, made in 1997, has no known connection to either Eric Harris or Dylan Klebold,... (As a matter of fact there WAS a connection between those who filmed the 1997 video and Harris and Klebold; that person being Brooks Brown, as information below will clarify.) Fuselier is one of three commanders leading the investigation, along with sheriff's Lt. John Kiekbusch and Capt. Dan Harris. The sheriff's department had taken no position on Fuselier's continuing role in the investigation, deputy Troy Gardalen said. Sheriff John Stone has not spoken publicly about any aspect of the investigation since Tuesday. Officials from the U.S. Attorney's office also would not discuss the situation. But Z.G. Standing Bear, a criminal justice professor at Colorado State University and a former criminal investigator for the U.S. Army, said federal officials should avoid the perception of a conflict of interest. In this case, he said, that means reassigning Fuselier, if for no other reason than to protect the agent. "That can be potentially dangerous to the agent conducting the inquiry," Standing Bear said. If he were running the investigation, Standing Bear said, he'd want agents with "no connection whatsoever" to the case Fuselier's son, who is attending college out of state, could not be reached for comment. Another student who worked on the film refused to talk about it. Copyright 1999, Denver Publishing Co. === Now more background. This can be found in its entirety @ http://www.sightings.com/politics2/littleton2.htm I have NOT included it all here due to space. Check into it yourself. I cannot vouch for the following info, but must say it is compelling and needs to be followed up. Columbine 'Trenchcoat Murder' Video Produced In 1997! By John Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] NewsHawk Inc. 1999 All Rights Reserved 5-28-99 MAJOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS Death Threats, FBI Links To Trenchcoaters "Rogue" Agencies/Spookland, What's Up With "4/20?", Inconsistencies, Questions Resurface, More Details on Wisher Interviews, Atlanta Shooting--Drugs, Programming Breakdown, Plattsburgh Links BIZARRE TIES - TRENCHCOATERS AND THE FBI Very significant information revealing the extent of the connection/ involvement/friendship that existed between Dylan Klebold and Brooks Brown has been recently revealed. There was significant involvement between the two; and now also apparently considerable involvement between THESE TWO and the son of the FBI's lead Columbine investigator Dwayne Fuselier, who is known to be directly tied to making the 1997 pre-massacre video which would appear to be a dry-run of trenchcoated gunmen shooting down students AT COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL! Apparently Eric Harris was not even part of this group at that time! These newly revealed facts are more than a little disturbing -- especially the connection to the FBI chief's son--and could aid substantially in efforts to get a better grasp on the sociological/peer group "layout" of the terrain at Columbine: the preexisting conflict into which the carefully contrived, mind controlled and PRE-REHEARSED monstrosity of 4/20/99 was unleashed. This whole angle obviously now bears a great deal more looking into; along with the entire aspect of coercion and intimidation of massacre witnesses by investigators and now DEATH THREATS being made against massacre survivors, warning them NOT TO TALK about other participants--or be killed! Any readers of this report who are Littleton area residents, PLEASE find
[CTRL] MANY EVENTS TO WATCH....TODAY!!!!
-Caveat Lector- ALERT: June 3, 1999 MANY EVENTS TO WATCHTODAY The BILDERBERGER (Secret Meeting) will be held in Sintra, Portugal, starting today June 3-6, 1999. For the list of attendees please go to WorldNetDaily - (http://www.worldnetdaily.com) and ask for the report dated May 26, 1999, entitled, "Clinton, Pope John Join Bilderbergers". Lead in sentence in the report: "What do Steven Spielberg, Pope John Paul II, Ted Turner, Boris Yeltsin, Bill Clinton and House Speaker Dennis Haster have in common? They are among those on a "partial guest list" of expected attendees to the 1999 Bilderberger meeting in Portugal...". The DRUDGE REPORT is planning to release a world exclusive report on an upcoming media event at High Noon Eastern Time on Thursday(see http://www.drudgereport.com) This is the LATEST DRUDGE release on June 2, 1999 - last night: http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm Clark Says NATO Troops to Enter Kosovo in "Days" TIRANA (Wed Jun 02 1999 23:08:46 UTC) XINHUA - The supreme commander of NATO, Wesley Clark, said Wednesday in the Macedonian capital of Skopje that NATO troops will enter Kosovo in just a few days. He made the remark after meeting with Macedonian President Kiro Gligorov. Clark said that he discussed with Gligorov the issue of increasing NATO troops in the country and the situation in Kosovo. He said that Macedonia has agreed to admit additional 14,000 NATO troops for peace- keeping mission in the southern Serbian province of Yugoslavia. If the situation turns complicated, the NATO troops can force their way into Kosovo without agreement from Yugoslavia, he threatened. With the new deployment, which Clark said will take several weeks to complete, the total NATO troops in Macedonia will amount to 30,000. He said that air strikes will continue until Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic accepts all the conditions set by NATO. U.S. President Bill Clinton announced Wednesday to send 7,000 U.S. soldiers to Macedonia, half of the additional 14,000 troops NATO has planned to deploy in the former republic of Yugoslavia. From Skopje, Clark flew to Tirana's Rinas Airport, "the hawk base" of NATO troops in Albania, to conduct his routine weekly visit. A spokesman for the NATO troops in Albania said that Clark made a detailed assessment on the troops' preparedness for their missions in Yugoslavia. === Watch live on CNN: NATO briefing, 9 a.m. ET (1300 GMT) EU leaders await results of Belgrade peace talks Solzhenitsyn: No difference between NATO's actions and Hitler's Clinton increases U.S. troops for Kosovo force === All this on top of the news this morning that the Serbia parliament has accepted the peace plan negotiated by the Russian delegation. Very interestingSTAY ALERT!!! STAY PREPARED!!! === **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!
-Caveat Lector- You know, I really can see nothing wrong with providing health care for children between the ages of -9 months, and 0 to 18 years of age. But after that, unless the parent(S) are totally disabled, or have a legitimate malfunction... Strong and able-bodied parents, can work, and earn, and pay for their own health care, just like the rest of the working class do . . . Giving a free ride is exactly what some want, for the rest of their entire life. I have had the experience of knowing a woman who was a fourth generation welfare recipient. Her child became a fifth generation welfare recipient... now her child is a sixth generation recipient. They don't want to go to work, and have no intentions of getting a further education to go to work, because they are happy, living on the river in a HUD subsidized house, where they pay no rent, and swing on the porch swing, sipping sweet tea, watching the working class come and go everyday. How much do you think this six generations of welfare, food stamps, health care and miscellaneous expenses, came out of YOUR tax and social security pocket??? Money you could have used in an emergency situation at one time or another. Money that is being used by the government for whatever reasons gaining interest for them, but not for you. (???) When you don't have social security to help you through the lean years of your senior life, (should you ever need that boost... ) just remember and think about where it went. I still say "no" to national, socialized health care. It simply won't work, because there is a bigger generation formed and out there who doesn't want to work to earn it. eagle1 -Original Message- Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Say "NO" To Socialized Health Care Today! -Caveat Lector- For affluent Americans, the adoption of a health care system comparable to a European system (Norway or Sweden come to mind) would be a loss of sorts I think those fears are somewhat justified. How does one know that one will receive quality care...the question of choice, etc. All of those issues are legitimate... But I would only point out to you that "some" care is preferable to our current "no" care. We have millions of Americans who are underinsured or without ANY health insurance. They postpone medical treatment because they lack money. And what I find particularly criminal is the fact that many of those who lack health coverage are children. As a society, we're saying to the nation's kids: "look, kids. If you have money in America, you can get health care...if you don't, we don't care about you. Go to hell." Now, perhaps some of the CTRL folks find that acceptable, I don't. I think it's criminal. My wife's sister-in-law is Norwegian. In Norway, EVERY member of that society has health care. Young, old, rich, poor, white, black, whatever... She has three children, and she wouldn't trade the Norwegian health care system for the American one. In Norway, you don't have people walking around in need of medical treatment. Do the Norwegians want to trade their system for the American "quality care system"? uhjust ask them. Of course, the US has enormous amounts of capital to put into research/high tech treatment, etc. And there are the well-publicized stories of poor kids from Uganda or Rwanda being treated at our clinics.. but for the most part, the expensive treatments are naturally reserved for those who can afford them. But what about the millions of Americans who lack BASIC care? Surely, with all of the inventiveness and genius to be found in this country, we can come up with a reasonable solution to the problem. We could look at a variety of different models...Japan, Canada, Norway, Sweden, France...etc... and come up with a reasonable solution. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Anti-NATO Demonstrators Arrested
-Caveat Lector- Anti-NATO Demonstrators Arrested Thursday, June 3, 1999; 4:14 p.m. EDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- More than two-dozen religious demonstrators were arrested in front of the White House on Thursday after demanding that President Clinton and NATO halt the bombing of Yugoslavia. The arrests of members of the National Coalition for Peace in Yugoslavia came moments after the Serb lawmakers in Belgrade approved a peace deal to resolve the crisis and let more than 850,000 ethnic Albanians return to Kosovo, a province of Serbia, Yugoslavia's dominant state. Clinton said Yugoslavia's willingness to accept international peace terms for Kosovo was encouraging and welcome but said there must be ``real results'' before NATO bombing ends. The 100 to 150 protesters were not satisfied. ``We are not here to demand the president's cautious optimism,'' said Gordon Clark, executive director of Peace Action, one of seven groups that make up the coalition. Chanting, ``Stop the bombing, stop the killing, stop the suffering now,'' the demonstrators left Lafayette Park and crossed Pennsylvania Avenue toward the White House's Northwest Gate. There, Clark and 25 other protesters knelt in the driveway and sang hymns. U.S. Park Police revoked their permit to protest because it required them to avoid blocking traffic, according to U.S. Park Police Sgt. Robert MacLean. The officers handcuffed the 26 demonstrators and loaded them into two police vans, MacLean said. They were charged with demonstrating without a permit. http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19990603/V000466-060399-idx.htm l Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] PARENTS! Remove your kids from the socialist public schools, NOW!
-Caveat Lector- My Children Teach Themselves By Dr. Arthur Robinson Ten years ago my wife Laurelee and I decided to educate our children in a homeschool rather than a public school or a private school. Of special concern to us were the following facts: The social and religious environment in most schools in America has deteriorated to such a level that it is a threat to the spiritual, moral, and mental health of each child who is forced to participate in it. The level of political and secular humanist indoctrination in American public schools has risen so high that it is very difficult for any child attending public school to emerge with an understanding of historical and religious truth. Irrationalism has become the norm throughout American schools. It is therefore very difficult for children who attend those schools to learn how to think -- rather than to simply believe whatever propaganda is being disseminated at the moment. The academic quality of most schools has deteriorated to the point that American students are literally the world's largest group of dunces. In test after test of academic abilities, American students score last or near-last in comparison with students from the other twenty or so advanced countries. It is, of course, possible for a child to emerge from an American public school with good academic training and a good spiritual and moral outlook. With increasingly rare exceptions, however, students who achieve this do so in spite of the school rather than because of the school. The overall performance of American children who attend public schools is very poor. Even when American public schools of the past are used as a standard, current schools are an embarrassment. Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) scores have deteriorated so much during recent decades that the tests themselves are now on the verge of being changed. The American educational establishment is determined to change these tests, so that continued comparisons with past performance will not be possible. Even the SAT tests themselves are being used as tools for social engineering. "Politically correct" questions are being asked about "socially responsible" reading passages. In some cases the student must give an answer that he knows to be false or misguided in order to please the social engineers who designed the tests. As a result of these facts, hundreds of thousands of American families have chosen to educate their children at home. Home schooling is rapidly becoming a major force in American society and has become a significant embarrassment to the public school establishment. Moreover, families who have chosen this path are clearly achieving some of their objectives. In particular, they are succeeding in partially isolating their children from the social and religious decay that is pervasive in American public schools. They are also strengthening their families by keeping children and parents together rather than allowing them to be physically and mentally separated by the State. There is a growing possibility that, if the homeschooling movement continues to expand, it may become the most important single force in American public life. In order for this to occur, however, some current weaknesses in the homeschool movement need to be corrected. Aside from the obvious legal problems and other difficulties that have developed as the public school establishment attempts to protect its decaying monopoly, these include: Homeschooling is very difficult for parents whose circumstances prevent at least one dedicated parent from giving a very large percentage of his or her time to the homeschool. While it is fine to argue that a family should always include one full-time parent in the home with time to teach the children, many families find themselves in circumstances which do not permit this. Many parents themselves lack the education that they so earnestly want for their children. As a consequence, homeschooled children have a difficult time rising above the level of academic achievement of their parents. This is true of many homes in which both parents are college trained and may even have advanced degrees. A large fraction of college graduates, for example, are not trained to do simple calculus -- a level of academic achievement easily possible for most properly educated sixteen-year-old children. Even parents holding doctoral degrees in mathematics and science are often poorly educated in literature, history, and the foundations of our civilization. The average level of academic achievement in homeschools at present looks good only when compared with the disastrously poor results currently the norm in public schools. While it is true that SAT scores are a little higher for homeschools than for public schools, the average public school child comes from a generally poorer home environment and a school environment that is not
Re: [CTRL] [RuMills] Why Faction 2 Wants Hillary in the Senate
-Caveat Lector- "Stopforth, Jamie" wrote: -Caveat Lector- We don't have 6 years. I doubt the senate and government as we know it will be around for 2 years longer, and that's pushing it. Jamie Really? How do you know this? Are you prophetic? Joshua2 Faction 2 wants Hillary to serve in the Senate where she and her policies are visible. They believe that after six years in the Senate where her communist/socialist environmental human unfriendly agenda, is exposed on a daily basis, the world will finally see her for what she is and for what she is promoting. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay.2/2
-Caveat Lector- Gary Amedee wrote: -Caveat Lector- Sorry Joshua2 but your blowing smoke. People with guns don't kill people. Your a liar. I see people everyday who are in posession of guns and I haven't been killed once. And an idiot. With regard to the hypothetical prison mentioned below... There are so few murders probably because of the fact that the prison officers HAVE SOME GUNS. Not because sharpening those spoons is such darn hard work. A sharpened spoon is another word for KNIFE. Only to an idiot. Mass killings with knives DO happen. RAWANDA? EAST TIMOR? A hard working idiot. So by your logic... Guns + people = death People + no guns = not quite as much death Guns + no people = No death This is indeed logical. Lets get rid of the people! Most of us are arseholes anyway and wouldn't it be a lovely planet without people everywhere. OK. So you are saying that the choice should be for gun owners to either get rid of their guns, or commit suicide. I thought my idea would be more reasonable and humane, but if you insist... I could get behind your suggestion. After all, that's what America is all about. Choice. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay.2/2
-Caveat Lector- "Stopforth, Jamie" wrote: -Caveat Lector- I've heard from numerous people that shootings and crime is becoming a trend due to the media it gets. Therefore it's done to gain attention... How about removing the 1st amendment thus taking away the freedom of the press so we can lower the crime rate, sounds easier to me. But heck no, the press is the key tool in controlling the sheople. Can't you see it's what "they" want? If the elitists want it, I don't. That's a pretty easy philosophy to live by. Jamie Well let's assume that we are looking at an high security prison for the worst possible offenders. Where are the gun deaths? Where are the accidental shootings? Prisoners who want to kill really have to work hard at it. Mass killings with sharpened spoons just don't happen. The simple straight fact is PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE. Remove either one from the equation, and the outcome changes drastically. It is easier to remove guns than people from the equation. That is why it will happen. Joshua2 There is no freedom of the press. The press is a corporate tool and so is the government. No more red herrings eh guys. The problem is guns. Quit blaming every damn thing in the universe. The problem is easy access to too many guns. That's where the focus is right now and that's where the problem will be solved. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay.2/2
-Caveat Lector- Teo One Thousand wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/2/99 6:26:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well let's assume that we are looking at an high security prison for the worst possible offenders. Where are the gun deaths? Where are the accidental shootings? Prisoners who want to kill really have to work hard at it. Mass killings with sharpened spoons just don't happen. The simple straight fact is PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE. Remove either one from the equation, and the outcome changes drastically. It is easier to remove guns than people from the equation. That is why it will happen. Joshua2 I grant your point, even though, as you rightly say, yours is not a perfect example. One must not forget, that in the environment that you have chosen for your example there is a much greater degree of control over every action of the prisoners. This is what keeps the death rate down to a great extent, not JUST the lack of weapons, notably guns. I know that you do not advocate this type of control on society in general so the analogy is flawed to some extent. However, point taken and conceded. My own personal opinion on the matter is that much more would be gained and in a better fashion if we attack the root of much of the death's by shooting that occur. That is crime. Decriminalizing drugs, and some other less drastic means than banning all gun ownership, except for law enforcement, are effective, and necessary in my opinion, things that could be done to reduce the violent crime rate, especially death by gun. Teo1000 The issue is much bigger than just crime. If crime stayed as it is and remained unchanged, or were magically solved as a societal problem, the rest of the problems related to guns would still warrant their removal from easy access. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Christ Conspiracy: How many...?
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Hey guys. How many angels dance on the head of a pin???
Inquiring minds want to know.
Joshua2
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June you said:
But to answer your question, ANY one seeking to 'prove' ANY religion via
physical means cheapens their religionthe thing is, only pseudo-
Christians who lack faith, will, and intelligence are doing it...and all
your arguments of "well what about other religions doing it?" is
meaningless, SINCE NO OTHER RELIGION DOES!
Jehovah's Witnesses do. At least around here.
LDS do.
Krishnas do
Scientologists surely do
New Agers do (pick any group you want, they are largely
interchangeable)
People who worship UFO's do.
Because you display total lack of faith, of will, and intelligence by
doing so, since you need cheap trinkets to 'prove' your beliefs...
I don't need to prove my beliefs, this as well as your other
slams are something you have put on me as false accusations, probably to
paint me in a false light because your tirades do not stand up to logic.
And if other religions do so, what of it?
The "what of it" is that you here admit the possibility other
religions prove their tenets as we discussed, yet you couch your admission in
the context of insinuating that I "should" be doing something specific just
because I am a Christian. Again, your mistake is to treat Christians
differentially: you would have better accused all religious people not just
me or Christians:
Why DRAG Christianity down to
that level? Rather, you should be endeavoring to RAISE it, by displaying
a strong faith, a strong will, and a strong intelligence, by not needing
'things of the flesh' to 'prove' to others what SHOULD be an intrinsic
belief and understanding...
You would do well not to slam Christians so ("weak-minded and weak-willed"
and pseudo- who lack faith and "who insult God").
I AM a Christian. A TRUE Christian, who unlike you is strong in
her faith,
Why do you accuse me of not being strong in faith? Again,
this is an attempt to paint me in a false light. But I forgive you for it.
and therefore has no need to drag the religion into the mud
via a sick need to 'prove' anything to anyone regarding her faith...
Just what trinket do you NEED, to 'prove' YOUR faith?
More of the same.
June ;-)
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Re: [CTRL] More pro gun bullshit.(Fwd) Reason-Express: REx22, v2
-Caveat Lector- Alamaine Ratliff wrote: -Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:19:13 -0500 From: "Jeff Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Reason Express List Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Reason-Express: REx22, v2 Welcome to Reason Express, the weekly e-newsletter from Reason magazine. Reason Express is written by Washington-based journalist Jeff A. Taylor and draws on the ideas and resources of the Reason editorial staff. For more information on Reason, visit our Web site at www.reason.com. Send your comments about Reason Express to Jeff A. Taylor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and Virginia Postrel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). REASON Express June 1, 1999 Vol. 2 No. 22 1) Gun Suits March On 2) The Columbine Backlash Continues 3) FCC Votes for Fat, New Phone Tax 4) Quick Hits - - California Reaming - - Gun suit mania spread to California last week as several cities announced plans to sue gun makers. Los Angeles and San Francisco are spearheading the move, which builds on the efforts of about a dozen other jurisdictions. The hope is that gun makers will cave to demands for damages to "recover" police and medical costs associated with gun use rather than risk letting the case go before a jury. Too bad. Only the damn lawyers and politicians will get richer. These cases need to go to a jury. Then they will pay out serious money for supplying the black market with guns. Sacramento, Oakland, and Berkeley were expected to join San Francisco's suit while Compton, Inglewood, and Los Angeles County also were considering suits. The Los Angeles city suit goes after more than 40 gun manufacturers along with dealers and firearms trade groups. In doing so, the suit uses the theory that gun makers purposely "oversupply" some segments of the gun market in order to drum up black market sales. Let's see now... you make guns and you have sold all the guns that the market will absorb. Since guns don't wear out like cars and refrigerators do, you go out of business OR you pump your product out into the population and watch the overflow spill into the black-market underworld. Once in the black-market they are totally unregulated and easily gotten by ANYONE for relatively low cost because of the general oversupply. You can buy hand guns in the streets of big cities for as little as $50 to $70. "Basically, the gun makers supply the illegal underground market by flooding the legal market with far more guns than it can absorb," city attorney James Hahn argued. You had better duck now. Here comes the bullshit. But this approach assumes gun makers--or any sellers--have perfect knowledge and substantial control of the market they serve. There isn't even one idea in the above sentence that is true. But this approach assumes gun makers--or any sellers--have perfect knowledge and substantial control of the market they serve. No one has perfect knowledge of anything, but big companies have very good knowledge of their markets and market potential since future planning totally depends upon this information. Gun makers are large corporations. Large corporations join to form oligopolies. Oligopolies ( Monopoly by the few ) usually control between 50% and 90% of any lucrative market. That is the nature of capitalism. The remaining % is divided among the small timers. This is necessary because they can point to these little companies and say " monopoly, what monopoly?" " There's no restriction of trade. Look at all the companies in our line of business." So saying that they have no substantial control over their markets, is a bald faced lie. If such a fallacy becomes a standard part of American jurisprudence, more than just gun makers will suffer. He did not establish that this is a fallacy. There is no "if" because it IS a standard part of jurisprudence already, and has been for a very long time. more than just gun makers will suffer. This may be true. BUT THE REST OF US WILL NOT. Bye bye Mr.Smith. Bye bye Mr.Wesson. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[CTRL] [Fwd: Chossudovsky ot Vancouver]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Chossudovsky ot Vancouver Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:26:25 -0700 From: Connie Fogal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RALLY AGAINST THE WAR IN YUGOSLAVIA PRESENTS MICHEL CHOSSUDOVSKY SATURDAY, JUNE 5TH, 1999 400 P.M. VANCOUVER ART GALLERY (north side) Hear what Chossudovsky has learned in his research of the fact that planning for the imposition of GROUND TROOPS INTO YUGOSLAVIA has been going on for years. CHOSSUDOVSKY is an ECONOMIST from the UNIVERSITY OF OTTAWA, and EXPERT ON THE ECONOMIC HISTORY OF THE BALKANS. He is the author of many articles on the Balkans and books including THE GLOBALIZATION OF POVERTY, (Impacts of IMF and World Bank Reforms), Third World Network, as well as his forthcoming book, THE ALBANIAN CRISIS, Abele Group Publishers, Rome. "Macro economic reforms imposed by Belgrade's external creditors since the late 1980's had been carefully synchronized with NATO's military and intelligence operations. Kosovo's fate had already been decided. Resulting from the IMFs deadly economic medicine, the entire Yugoslav economy had been spearheaded into bankruptcy. The Rambouillet agreement largely replicated the model of colonial administration and military occupation imposed on Bosnia under the Dayton Agreement. In Kosovo, the economic reforms were conducive to the concurrent impoverishment of both the Albanian and Serbian populations contributing to fuelling ethnic tensions. The deliberate manipulation of market forces destroyed economic activity and people's livelihood creating a situation of social despair. The fate of Kosovo had already been carefully laid out prior to the signing of the 1995 Dayton agreement. NATO had entered an unwholesome marriage of convenience with the mafia. Freedom Fighters were put in place, the narcotics trade enabled Washington and Bonn to finance the Kosovo conflict with the ultimate objective of destabilizing the Belgrade government and fully recolonizing the Balkans. The destruction of an entire country is the outcome. Western governments which participated in the NATO operation bear a heavy burden of responsibility in the deaths of civilians, the impoverishment of both the ethnic and Serbian populations and the plight of those who were so brutally uprooted from towns and villages in Kosovo as a result of the bombings." Michel Chossudovsky Sponsors committed to date: Ad Hoc Committee to Stop Canadas Participation in the War in Yugoslavia, Canada Cuba Friendship Association, Canadian Auto Workers, Canadian Action Party, Canadian Latin-American Association, Centre for Socialist Education, Coalition of Solidarity With People's In Struggle, Committee of Solidarity with Peoples in Struggle, Communist Party of Canada, Communist Party of Chile (Vancouver), Connolly Association, Defence of Canadian Liberty Committee, East Indian Workers Association, Green Party of Canada, Serbian-Canadian Community, Stop the Bombing Initiative, Veterans Against Nuclear Arms, Womens International League for Peace and Freedom. Contacts: George Gidora 254- 9836 (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Connie Fogal 687 0588 (work) or 872 2128 (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Eduardo Luro [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: Corporate Capacity of the state]
From: David Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Corporate Capacity of the state Post Number 108: Corporate Capacity of the state Interesting how many people know that the state of ___ is a corporation. Far fewer know that the United States government is a corporation. And far fewer have any inkling of what that means. But then, why should this surprise, when there are still millions who have no clue that the Federal Reserve banks are corporations, and privately owned? Openly privately owned. But still a surprise to many, and still the many simply will not believe even when offered written proof. So, how many will believe the following, when logic must offer some of the facts? A corporation is chartered. Now, there are going to be arguments that the Constitution is the charter for the United States government. I am afraid not. The Constitution is simply the by-laws of the corporation; the authority for the United States government to exist came from a superior authority, in mans government. In other words, through a religious mandate which is basically the only manner in which rule over man has ever been accomplished. And please, do not argue with me about Communism; that is a religious movement as well. For reference, see the Talmud. So, to exist as a corporation, some authority issued a charter. And, to be a corporation, someone must hold the stock in that corporation. Now, I think I know where this stock is, but it is of little importance, as long as you or I do not have any shares in our possession. When you begin to understand this, the fraud which is used to convince you to contract with that corporation becomes apparent. And the necessity of that fraud also becomes apparent. MEMORIAL DAY - DON'T TREAD ON ME! Researcher: James Montgomery (910) 869-0780 BBS The United States is Still a British Colony (Full Study/Report 56 pages) The Charter of Virginia in 1606. In the first paragraph, the King of England granted our fore fathers license to settle and colonize America. The definition for license is as follows: "In Government Regulation authority to do some act or carry on some trade or business, in its nature lawful but prohibited by stature, except with the permission of the civil authority or which would otherwise be unlawful." Bouvier's Law Dictionary, 1914 The cry of freedom and self determination became the rallying cry for the colonists. The slogan "Don't Tread on Me" was the standard borne by the militias. The Revolutionary War was fought and concluded when Cornwallis surrendered to Washington at Yorktown. As Americans we have been taught that we defeated the king and won our freedom. The Treaty of Peace of 1783 will totally contradict our having won the Revolutionary War. When Cornwallis surrendered to Washington he surrendered the battle, not the war. Read article of Capitulation signed by Cornwallis at Yorktown. Jonathan Williams recorded in his book 'Legions of Satan', 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington during his surrender that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her missions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown." ..."in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire." Quote from Federal Code Title 26, you will see just one situation where the king (The Crown) is still collecting a tax from those that receive a benefit from him CITE- 26 USC Sec. 1491 As further evidence, not that any is needed, a percentage of taxes that are paid are to enrich the king/queen of England. For those that study Title 26 you will recognize IMF, which means Individual Master File, all tax payers have one. To read one you have to be able to break their codes using file 6209 which is about 467 pages. These codes read as follows, IMF 300-309, Barred Assessment, CP 55 generated valid for MFT-30, which is the code for 1040 form. IMF 310-399 reserved, the BMF 300-309 reads U.S./U.K.. Tax Treaty Claims. The long and short of it is nothing changed, the government just made it plainer, the 1040 is the payment of a foreign tax to the king/queen of England. WE HAVE BEEN IN FINANCIAL SERVITUDE SINCE THE TREATY OF 1783 The Constitution no longer carries any power of it own, but drives its power from the new sovereign, the conqueror. The reason for this is the Constitution derived its power from the people, when they were defeated, so was the Constitution. The following is the definition of Conquest. (I totally disagree with this statement about the Constitution being of the people. As is clearly shown in my series, the Constitution was an agreed to document between the colonists and the King of England whereby the King established a Crown Colony among the colonies to collect what was due to him. That Crown Colony is known, and always has been known as, as
[CTRL] klintoonalgore agenda for our Republic!
-Caveat Lector- The Objectives of the Communist Manifesto. Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, The Communist Manifesto, 1848, pp104-105, Penguin Classics. Translation by Samuel Moore, 1888. Another translation. The steady increase in intellectual Socialism during the 19th century in the wake of the Enlightenment is a phenomenon which is little acknowledged, considering the almost universal awareness amongst the general public of other major intellectual developments of the 18th and 19th centuries; the Industrial Revolution, the revolution in scientific thinking typified by Darwin's theory of Natural Selection, and the French Revolution. We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class, is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle of democracy. The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the state, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible. Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production. These measures will of course be different in different countries. Nevertheless, in the most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable: 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all right of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of wastelands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, c., c. When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organise itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class. In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all. http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~hakon/objectives.html Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] The Christ Conspiracy: How many...?
-Caveat Lector-
It all depends on the size of the orchestra :)
Jamieson
On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, nurev wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
Hey guys. How many angels dance on the head of a pin???
Inquiring minds want to know.
Joshua2
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June you said:
But to answer your question, ANY one seeking to 'prove' ANY religion via
physical means cheapens their religionthe thing is, only pseudo-
Christians who lack faith, will, and intelligence are doing it...and all
your arguments of "well what about other religions doing it?" is
meaningless, SINCE NO OTHER RELIGION DOES!
Jehovah's Witnesses do. At least around here.
LDS do.
Krishnas do
Scientologists surely do
New Agers do (pick any group you want, they are largely
interchangeable)
People who worship UFO's do.
Because you display total lack of faith, of will, and intelligence by
doing so, since you need cheap trinkets to 'prove' your beliefs...
I don't need to prove my beliefs, this as well as your other
slams are something you have put on me as false accusations, probably to
paint me in a false light because your tirades do not stand up to logic.
And if other religions do so, what of it?
The "what of it" is that you here admit the possibility other
religions prove their tenets as we discussed, yet you couch your admission in
the context of insinuating that I "should" be doing something specific just
because I am a Christian. Again, your mistake is to treat Christians
differentially: you would have better accused all religious people not just
me or Christians:
Why DRAG Christianity down to
that level? Rather, you should be endeavoring to RAISE it, by displaying
a strong faith, a strong will, and a strong intelligence, by not needing
'things of the flesh' to 'prove' to others what SHOULD be an intrinsic
belief and understanding...
You would do well not to slam Christians so ("weak-minded and weak-willed"
and pseudo- who lack faith and "who insult God").
I AM a Christian. A TRUE Christian, who unlike you is strong in
her faith,
Why do you accuse me of not being strong in faith? Again,
this is an attempt to paint me in a false light. But I forgive you for it.
and therefore has no need to drag the religion into the mud
via a sick need to 'prove' anything to anyone regarding her faith...
Just what trinket do you NEED, to 'prove' YOUR faith?
More of the same.
June ;-)
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Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay.2/2
-Caveat Lector- Back to the perverbial name calling... hmm. ... Let us please be civil and as always [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's what America is all about. Choice. Joshua2 Where have you been J2? "Choice" comes by and through FREEDOM and LIBERTY. And just where do you think freedom and liberty came from? Hm? I'll tell you where. It came from a lot of blood sweat and tears by people who cared about their own, and the many future generations of this great country. I dare say, without those who brandished weapons on this soil as well as many foreign soils, to maintain and fight for FREEDOM and LIBERTY... for those of us here in the great US of A, you would not be sitting comfortably in front of your computer screen right now. eagle1 -Original Message- From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2 -Caveat Lector- Gary Amedee wrote: -Caveat Lector- Sorry Joshua2 but your blowing smoke. People with guns don't kill people. Your a liar. I see people everyday who are in posession of guns and I haven't been killed once. And an idiot. With regard to the hypothetical prison mentioned below... There are so few murders probably because of the fact that the prison officers HAVE SOME GUNS. Not because sharpening those spoons is such darn hard work. A sharpened spoon is another word for KNIFE. Only to an idiot. Mass killings with knives DO happen. RAWANDA? EAST TIMOR? A hard working idiot. So by your logic... Guns + people = death People + no guns = not quite as much death Guns + no people = No death This is indeed logical. Lets get rid of the people! Most of us are arseholes anyway and wouldn't it be a lovely planet without people everywhere. OK. So you are saying that the choice should be for gun owners to either get rid of their guns, or commit suicide. I thought my idea would be more reasonable and humane, but if you insist... I could get behind your suggestion. After all, that's what America is all about. Choice. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] a site to visit during this time of chaos!
-Caveat Lector- http://www.fhu.com/ Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Positive Chemtrail Evidence?
-Caveat Lector- Interesting photographs and other info. Gavin. http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) ZNet Commentary June 4, Nikos Raptis
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Michael Albert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:ZNet Commentary June 4, Nikos Raptis Date sent: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:19:15 +0100 Here is today's ZNet Commentary Delivery from Nikos Raptis. The attached file is the same material in nicely formatted html so that you can read it in your browser if you wish. To pass this comment along to friends, relatives, etc. please note that the Commentaries are a premium sent to monthly donors to Z/ZNet and that to learn more about the project folks can consult ZNet (http://www.zmag.org) and specifically the Commentary Page (http://www.zmag.org/Commentaries/donorform.htm). Here then is today's ZNet Commentary... -- "Hitler's Americanization" by Nikos Raptis Ernst Franz Sedgwick Hanfstaengl (rhymes with Engel') was borne in 1887 in Munich, the Bavarian town, birthplace of Nazism, and known, also, as the Athens of Germany. His father, an art dealer, was German, his mother was American. At the age of 18, in 1905, the 6' 7'' tall young man entered Harvard. Later, he run the Fifth Avenue subsidiary of the family business in New York. and each morning practiced his piano playing in the New York Harvard Club, where a young senator (D) of the State of New York, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, listened to him playing on the grand piano of the club, as he (FDR) was having his breakfast. Hanfstaengl met also another member of the Roosevelt clan, Teddy Roosevelt. In 1921, Hanfstaengl returned to Germany. Next year, in November 1922, Truman Smith, the US Military Attache' in Berlin, approached "Hanfy" Hanfstaengl, the former Harvard scholar, and told him that "He should attend a gathering in a beer-cellar in Rosenheimer Street where a certain Hitler would give a speech."[1] Also, Smith added: "The fellow has the right melody on his tongue, which the hungry Germans are eager to hear - national and social (melody)." So, "practically as a Munich informer of the Americans, to whom he subsequently reported, Hanfy went to the gathering."[2] Hanfstaengl's impression at the beer-cellar was that compared to the best orators of that time that he knew in the US, namely Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, as well as senator Thomas P. Gore (grandfather of Gore Vidal), Hitler was a "higher-carat uncut dimond who needed only to polish his ideas, in order to find his real message." A year later, on November 8, 1923, Hitler made his putsch and Hanfstaengl was by his side in the famous "Burgerbraukeller" (Beer - Hall). Next day Hitler and his followers were marching in Munich. When the police started firing, after Hitler's followers shot and killed 4 policemen, Hitler sprained his shoulder by a fall on the pavement and "30 seconds after the police had started firing, in defense, he fled and went into hiding... in the villa of Ernst Hanfstaengl, south of Munich... in the meantime he (Hanfstaengl) fled to Austria."[3] Two days later. on November 11, Hitler is arrested in the Hanfstaengl villa. According to Hanfstaengl, Hitler would have killed himself "with a bullet in his head, if the courageous Mrs Hanfstaengl, an American woman, had not disarmed him with a jujitsu hold."[4] According to the official report of the arresting officer Belleville: "Mrs Hanfstaengl wordless led First Lieutenant Belleville to a room door, remained standing for a moment, examining First Lieutenant Bellville with a long glance, then opened the door and said: 'Please'. In the room stood Hitler in white pyzamas, his arm in a sling... Hitler stared at him in a completely absend-minded manner. At the announcement, that he came to arrest him, Hitler stretched his hand towards him and declared that he was at his disposal. He requested only to be protected from mobbing."[5] Hitler stayed in prison from November 11, 1923 to December 20, 1924. After his release Hanfstaengel, also known as Putzi among the Hitler gang, tried to "polish" Hitler, the "uncut dimond". "In vain Putzi exerted himself: The Americanization of Hitler was a hopeless undertaking. He was interested in skyscrapers, in the horsepower of automobiles, and in the manpower of the Ku-Klux-Klan..."[6] During the 11 years that followed, up to 1934, Hanfstaegl was Hitler's personal pianist and his Foreign Press-Secretary for the Third Reich. The piano playing function was very important to Hitler and very much appreciated by him. "You are the purest orchestra, Hanfstaengl", raved Hitler. Hanfstaengl played over and over the Wagnerian staple while Hitler "dozed off" or "whistled and conducted."[7] Then after the "Night of the Long Knives", in June 1934, and the execution by Hitler of Rohm and 77 leading Nazis plus 100 lesser ones, Putzi Hanfstaengl lost his access to Hitler. Three years later, in 1937, the 50 year old Hanfstaengl was ordered to put on a parachute and jump over the
[CTRL] To protect Freedom, know the enemy: Socialism is international or is nothing. [a must read!]
-Caveat Lector- (Folks, When you read this, keep in mind the klintoonalgore agenda.) A Manifesto for the 21st Century 150 years of the Communist Manifesto by Alan Woods At first sight it may seem that the republication of the Communist Manifesto requires an explanation. How can one justify a new edition of a book written almost 1950 years ago? Yet in reality the Manifesto is the most modern of books. The truth of this affirmation can be easily demonstrated. If we examine any bourgeois book written one and a half century ago about the same subjects, it will rapidly become clear that such a work will be merely of historical interest, with no the slightest practical application. However, the present work provides us with a profound analysis which, in an amazingly small amount of words, provides a brilliant explanation of the most fundamental phenomena which occupy our attention on a world scale at the present time. In point of fact, the Communist Manifesto is even more true today than when it first appeared in 1848. Let us consider one example. At the time when Marx and Engels were writing, the world of the big multinational companies was still the music of a very distant future. Despite this, they explained how "free enterprise" and competition would inevitably lead to the concentration of capital and the monopolisation of the productive forces. It is frankly comical to read the statements made by the defenders of capitalism concerning Marx's alleged mistake on this question, when in reality it was precisely one of his most brilliant and unquestionable predictions. During the 1980s it became fashionable to claim that "small is beautiful". This is not the place to enter into a discussion concerning the relative aesthetics of big, small or medium size, about which everyone is entitled to hold an opinion. But it is an absolutely indisputable fact that the process of concentration of capital foreseen by Marx has occurred, is occurring, and indeed has reached unprecedented levels in the course of the last ten years. In the United States, where the process may be seen in a particularly clear form, 500 giant monopolies accounted for 92 per cent of all income in 1994. On a world scale, the 1000 biggest companies had an income amounting to eight billion dollars, which is the equivalent of one third of total world profits. In the USA, 0.5 per cent of the richest families are in possession of half of financial assets held by individuals. The richest one per cent of the US population increased its share of the national income from 17.6 per cent in 1978 to an astonishing 36.3 per cent in 1989. The process of centralisation and concentration of capital has reached proportions hitherto undreamed of. The number of take-overs has acquired the character of an epidemic in all the advance industrialised nations. In 1995 the number of take-overs beat all records. The Mitsubishi Bank and the Bank of Tokyo fused to form the biggest bank in the world. The union of Chase Manhattan and the Chemical Bank created the biggest banking group in the USA with combined reserves of 297 billion dollars. The world's biggest entertainment company emerged when Walt Disney bought Capital Cities/ABC. Westinghouse bought CBS and Time Warner bought Turner Broadcasting Systems. In the pharmaceutical sector, Glaxo bought Wellcome. The take-over of Scott Paper by Kimberly-Clark created the biggest producer of paper tissues in the world. The take-over mania has spread to Europe with record figures being made even in the last few weeks. Even Switzerland has experienced its first hostile take-over concerning the paper group Holvis. In Britain we saw a spate of hostile take-overs, as when Forte, Britain's biggest hotel chain took over its rival, the leisure and restaurant empire, Granada, for 3.2 billion pounds. In many cases, such take-overs are intimately connected with all kinds of shady practices - insider dealing, falsification of share prices, and other types of fraud, larceny and swindling, as the Guinness scandal has revealed. It would not be difficult to provide many more figures which would prove beyond reasonable doubt that Marx and Engels were right in their analysis of the process of concentration of capital. This concentration of capital does not signify a growth in production, but quite the contrary. In every case, the intention is not to invest in new plant and machinery but to close existing factories and offices and sack large numbers of workers in order to increase profit margins without increasing production. The scourge of unemployment "And here it becomes evident, that the bourgeoisie is unfit any longer to be the ruling class in society, and to impose its conditions of existence upon society as an over-riding law. It is unfit to rule because it is incompetent to assure an existence to its slave within his slavery, because it cannot help letting him sink into such a state, that it has to feed him, instead of being fed by
[CTRL] Varied Resources
-Caveat Lector- Beware and do not trifle with truffles ... From Int'l Herald Tribune Paris, Friday, June 4, 1999 U.S. Banning EU Chicken and Pork -- -- AFP -- -- WASHINGTON - U.S. authorities Thursday were in the process of instructing customs inspectors to block all imports of chicken and pork originating from European Union countries, a spokesman for the Department of Agriculture said, adding that the ban was to be temporary. The measure stemmed from fears that the meats could contain high levels of a cancer-causing chemical, dioxin, following the ban by Belgium of chicken- and egg-based foods from more than 400 farms due to excessively high levels of the toxic pollutant. Thursday, the food-poisoning scandal spread to Belgian pigs. Related article, Page 7. From ChicagoTribune REJECTION OF SOME BLOOD DONORS URGED AS MAD-COW SHIELD From Tribune News Services June 3, 1999 GAITHERSBURG, MARYLAND -- At least some Americans who visited Britain frequently at the height of the mad-cow disease scare should be forbidden to donate blood back home, a federal panel recommended Wednesday. The advisers to the Food and Drug Administration expressed concern about a theoretical risk that a similar human brain disease might be spread via blood. Panel members stressed that their vote did not mean that frequent travelers to Britain are at risk of getting a fatal illness linked to mad-cow disease or of spreading it through their blood. The problem is that scientists just don't know if the illness can be spread that way. There never has been a human case where that happened. But at issue is a new fatal disease that doctors don't yet understand -- and some scientists have successfully transmitted similar illnesses to animals through blood. "The day you find out there is (human) transmission, you're years too late" to protect the blood supply, said Dr. Linda Detwiler as the panel voted 12-9 that FDA should reject some donors. If it endorses the recommendation, the FDA must decide how long someone had to stay in Britain to be deemed enough of a risk to refuse their blood. $500 MILLION RADIOACTIVE WASTE DISPOSAL EFFORT DEEMED A FAILURE From Tribune News Services June 3, 1999 WASHINGTON, D.C. -- After spending nearly $500 million, the Energy Department acknowledged Wednesday that a crucial stage in the disposal of 35 million gallons of highly radioactive waste is a failure and should have been abandoned years ago. The failed process involves attempts by scientist to find a way to separate the most highly radioactive material from less radioactive liquids in 35 million gallons of waste stored in drums at the Savannah, S.C., nuclear weapons facility. Scientists found that the separation process, when handling such huge amounts of waste, produces large amounts of explosive benzene gas, making it too dangerous. Last week, Energy Secretary Bill Richardson directed that the contractor for the project, a subsidiary of Westinghouse Corp., be replaced and that outside scientists be enlisted to help select an alternative separation technology. Over the objections of the contractor, the department quietly pulled the plug on the project more than a year ago. Since then, a number of alternative technologies have been proposed and will be pursued under a new contractor, officials said. The problems could add years to the $20 billion, 30-year program. AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy
Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!
-Caveat Lector- Strong and able-bodied parents, can work, and earn, and pay for their own health care, just like the rest of the working class do . . . Not all of the "rest of the working class" CAN pay for their own health care, at least not if they want to also eat food, wear clothes and live indoors. In America there are nearly forty million people who lack coverage. They are ALLworking poor and their families. People on welfare HAVE healthcare provided. The working poor do not. What about them? Should they quit work and go onto welfare so they CAN get medical treatment, or should they suffer and die from (and spread) treatable diseases? Neither the state nor the private sector has demonstrated the ability or the willingness to provide optimum health care. It's time we try something else. We cannot stand by and watch human beings suffer and die unnecessarily, unless of course we are moral cripples. We aren't moral cripples, are we? Of course not. So what shall we try? It'd better be something good, for not only does it have a tremendous problem to solve, but both the state and the private sector will unite against it. In a very real sense the state and the private sector already HAVE united against it, and against us. But hey, what do you expect from a fascist society? That's what fascism IS. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!
-Caveat Lector- I vary to differ with you nessie. The welfare reform changed the law about able bodied adults... who can work and won't. Adults no longer receive medicaid or health insurance in most states. If they do, they won't for much longer. Children of welfare recipients ALWAYS are covered by health insurance. But, they go to the working parent first, and find out if they have the availability and means to get the health care for their children first. Insurance isn't that difficult to get. It's not that expensive either. Shopping insurance plans may take a bit of effort, but affordable health insurance is available. I doubt seriously the statistics that the Klintoonalgore administration puts out about a lot of things... this subject in particular, because lest we forget, we are in the midst of a campaign that is presumed by that particular party as already won. Their big thrill in life is to present the facts in, let's say a bit exaggerated political juxtaposition. As far as optimum health care? That's a thing of the past. Doctors are still paying off school loans, and don't care whether optimum care is administered, because there are enough people who have health insurance who are sick and need their services, that they can still get rich, and still afford to pay off their loans. The only way, anyone is going to get optimum health care is to be one of the other 230 million people in this country who can afford health care. Sorry, but that's the way it is. I don't like seeing suffering or those who cannot get health insurance to do without. It remains that the churches of this country should have never given up their position to help the poor and the needy, then the government would not be legislating who gets care and who doesn't. Because we know that there are many, many churches and charitable organizations who could help those in need, but because of government policies and regulations already poised, they cannot help, by law. So, the question then remains, what happens to those who are in poverty? Ask the Klintoonalgores of this country, then to get off their duffs and do something about it and quit talking about it. THEN you might see some reverse in the poor quality of health care and poverty in this country. This is a very unfortunate situation that we can give care to millions of people in other countries, some who have gotten wealthy off our 'care', yet we cannot seem to manage the poverty level in our own space. It's sad; very sad. I agree. Socialized medicine is not the answer. It may look good on the outside but to borrow from a famous non-violent revolutionary's words, " inside it is nothing but dead men's bones" - Jesus, circa 33. Inside it is rotten to the core, because of those who have never experienced the pain and the suffering and underestimate the dire need that is there with those who cannot afford, nor can they find the ways and the means to pick themselves up and brush off and go forward, as much as they try and try. The government holds people back. Just like the recent legislation presented by the Democrat of Minnesota, to "track" former welfare recipients. It is none of the government's business after they 'force' them off the programs. They have to let go, and quit dragging them back into the system. It is a viscious circle. But, that is the way it is. Until we get some intelligence in the White House and in the other areas of our government branches that were designed to help those in need, and quit funding those who can work, who can provide, and screen each individual treating them as human beings, and as just a name and a number in a statistic report, you shouldn't expect any miracles. But who knows, the good Lord may smile upon America again, and give her one last chance to shape up before she's shipped out to sea. eagle1 -Original Message- From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 2:15 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Say "NO" To Socialized Health Care Today! -Caveat Lector- Strong and able-bodied parents, can work, and earn, and pay for their own health care, just like the rest of the working class do . . . Not all of the "rest of the working class" CAN pay for their own health care, at least not if they want to also eat food, wear clothes and live indoors. In America there are nearly forty million people who lack coverage. They are ALLworking poor and their families. People on welfare HAVE healthcare provided. The working poor do not. What about them? Should they quit work and go onto welfare so they CAN get medical treatment, or should they suffer and die from (and spread) treatable diseases? Neither the state nor the private sector has demonstrated the ability or the willingness to provide optimum health care. It's time we try something else. We cannot stand by and watch human beings suffer and die unnecessarily, unless of course
Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!
-Caveat Lector- amen [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: -Caveat Lector- Strong and able-bodied parents, can work, and earn, and pay for their own health care, just like the rest of the working class do . . . Not all of the "rest of the working class" CAN pay for their own health care, at least not if they want to also eat food, wear clothes and live indoors. In America there are nearly forty million people who lack coverage. They are ALLworking poor and their families. People on welfare HAVE healthcare provided. The working poor do not. What about them? Should they quit work and go onto welfare so they CAN get medical treatment, or should they suffer and die from (and spread) treatable diseases? Neither the state nor the private sector has demonstrated the ability or the willingness to provide optimum health care. It's time we try something else. We cannot stand by and watch human beings suffer and die unnecessarily, unless of course we are moral cripples. We aren't moral cripples, are we? Of course not. So what shall we try? It'd better be something good, for not only does it have a tremendous problem to solve, but both the state and the private sector will unite against it. In a very real sense the state and the private sector already HAVE united against it, and against us. But hey, what do you expect from a fascist society? That's what fascism IS. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] To All
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I will be away from the computer for the next week, so if any of you wish to contact me or send me e-mail, please be aware that I will not be able to respond to you until I get back. Keep everything civil while I'm gone (yeah, right!). Cheers Teo1000 i'll watch the store while you are out :-) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
