[CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia-
-Caveat Lector- Tuesday August 10, 10:52 PM Dutch to legalise euthanasia-even for 12-year-olds By Karen Iley AMSTERDAM, Aug 10 - The Netherlands plans to make history by legalising mercy killings in a controversial government bill that would also make children as young as 12 eligible for euthanasia. The bill, delivered to the lower house on Monday, proposes immunity from criminal prosecution for doctors provided they follow strict guidelines when performing euthanasia. The law would also apply to incurably ill young children, so long as the parents agree. In exceptional circumstances, a doctor could perform euthenasia even without parental consent. "In the case of 12 to 15 year olds the consent of the parents or guardian is required, but in the event of refusal... a minor's request may nevertheless be met if the doctor is convinced this would prevent serious detriment to the patient," the Justice and Health (LSE: sUB44.L - news) ministries said. The bill also recognises for the first time the validity of written requests to die. Both the Voluntary Euthanasia Society (NVVE) and the Royal Dutch Medical Association (KNMG) welcomed the development, which removes already liberal Dutch policy from a legal grey area. "After more than 25 years of discussion there will be legislation for death at one's own request. This is a significant step in the right direction," the NVVE said. Political opposition was expected from the main opposition Christian Democrats and small Calvinist parties. But provided the three government parties unite behind the bill, its passage through parliament should be smooth. The Dutch have tolerated mercy killings for years, but right-to-die campaigners and doctors have long pressed for immunity from criminal prosecution for doctors. In 1997, a doctor was charged with murder after allegedly ignoring euthanasia guidelines when he injected a patient with a fatal dose of insulin. The KNMG said cases of terminally-ill children requesting death were few and the vital dialogue and relationship between doctor, patient and family would remain. "The doctor will do his utmost to try to reach an agreement between patient and parents," said Karin Hagelstein, KNMG spokeswoman. "If there is no unanimous agreement, then it is the doctor's duty to fulfill the wishes of the patient." "Doctors find that children who have gone through such a long and tragic illness are capable of making their own decisions. A child which has entered the last terminal phase can be very clear about what he or she wants. They've seen a lot, they're tired. If parents don't want to cooperate it is the doctor's duty to respect the wishes of their patient," she said. In all cases, doctors must adhere strictly to guidelines. The patient, who must be facing unbearable suffering, must make the request on a voluntary, well-considered and sustained basis. Their must be no reasonable alternative and the doctor must give advice on the patient's situation and consequences. The doctor must also consult at least one other independent physician who also agrees with the due care requirements, and the euthanasia must be performed with due medical care. Regional committees, set up in 1997, will continue to review whether these criteria have been met. The NVVE, while welcoming the bill as a whole, criticised some of the criteria as either too vague or too tough and said doctors therefore remained vulnerable to prosecution. The only previous attempt to legalise euthanasia was in September 1996 when Australia's Northern Territory approved medically-assisted euthanasia only to see the law revoked in March 1997. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Israeli Holocaust Against the Palestinian People
-Caveat Lector- Mr. MAG, Excuse me, but... Are you agreeing with this editor's comments? Isn't this stereotyping ALL Judah, i.e. 'Jews', into a category, where you and this editor of the article are creating a hate and evil that truly does not exist, nor should it exist? In a previous article you sent, [CTRL] THAT'S WHAT CHRISTIANS DO NOW - By Donald E. Wildmon · AFA President At the bottom of that article you state: "I THINK THAT JEWS ARE AMERICA's SOCIALIST CANCER." Write me for more info on why I hold that opinion. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yet among your favorite quotes, you quote the Two Great Commandments, The Golden Rule, and the Apostle's Creed. Do you believe those quotes, or are they just something that looks good and sounds good to add to the addendum of your messages? For the record, Judah is merely ONE tribe of 13, collectively called 'Hebrews' that can all lay claim to being called the 'chosen people'. And certainly there are many out there who belong to the other 12 tribes that do not call themselves 'Jews', nor do they all congregate in one little area on the planetary geographical map called 'Israel'. Seems poor Judah has taken the rap and injustices for those who would like to be called and call themselves 'Jew' but are not, and do lie, (See Revelation 2:9 and 3:9). So, just who is the editor or who are you referring to here, by utilizing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in reference to "They believe they are the superior race chosen by God to rule over the cattle of the earth. They believe that non-Jews are not fully human. They believe that non-Jews have no more value than cattle. They are the quintessential "white? supremacists." Anyone not familiar with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion can access it by going: http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/protocol.html No one will ever convince me that ALL Jews, (merely a religious faction), are bad. There are bad apples in all walks of life... For 'Jews' are certainly not a race, but are sectored by it's religion. Just because someone chooses to be, or by congenital factors, is a Jew does not make them 'evil' and of the same cloth as that those who authored the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Are you therefore classifying Christ in this same sector? He was indeed of the tribe of Judah through his mother's bloodline, who's biological father was also a member of the Levitical priesthood, but Christ's natural Father was God Himself. In genetics, with no religion attached, the bloodline falls to the mother's side of the geneaology, and consequently so it does in the Jewish faction. So, in all reality, and technicalities, Jesus Christ was a 'Jew' both by genetics and religion. And like I was asking, are you grouping this man with the same groups you purport to hate? What has HE done to you, to generate such animosity? As in every religious and political faction that has ever existed since the beginning, there has been created enmity (antagonism, hostility, animosity), i.e. typically mutual hatred or ill will; actively expressed opposition or hostility antagonism between factions. Even the Bible says: "... and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her Seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel." Genesis 3:15 Who was God talking to here? The old Serpent of the Garden... and no serpent I know of in the natural animal kingdom has had the intellectual capacity to speak, or comprehend intelligent conversation, or law; nor does a serpent have seed, but rather produces eggs for their progeny. Therefore, with all things logical, this must be descript of this one's personality; as he is also called a subtile "beast" in Genesis 3:1. I see no where that he was addressed as a Jew. Does that scripture say, "I will put enmity between the 'Jews' and all other peoples of the world"? I don't think so. So, why are you promoting such rubbish? Judah is our brother, whether you are Hebrew by genetics or not. How can y ou 'hate' your brother and claim to be a Christian? This does not follow the commandment of Biblical attitude. Truly, the bands are broken between Judah and Israel, as per Zechariah 11:14, until God so chooses to renew it. "Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel". However, hatred and judgment of that brother is against the commandments. "Take heed to yourselves: if thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him." - Luke 17:3 "But I say unto you, that whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of judgment..." - Matthew 5:22 "But why dost thou judge thy brother? Or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ." - Romans 14:10 And even if we did have something legitimate against our brother Judah, the commandment is: "But I say unto you, 'Love your
[CTRL] Fwd: Y2K Struck DC in '71
http://www.wfs.org/gouchen.htm Back to the Future: Y2K Struck D.C. in '71 by John E. Gochenouer The Y2K problem has been thoroughly analyzed, discussed, and written about from almost every conceivable angle. Here is a look at what will happen after 01/01/2000, based on my experience -- that Y2K struck Washington, D.C., in 1971. The troubles began when a computer operator responded to a software query by pressing the Return key instead of entering the current date. As a result of this simple action, approximately 25% of the telephone grid in Washington, D.C., was impacted, including many of the government offices in the area popularly known as "Foggy Bottom." An ATT officially apparently threatened a lawsuit against the offending organization, and it took almost two months for the organization's business to return to normal. This is how it happened, and the lesson is ominous. In the early 1970s, most accounting systems were still manual. Computers cost millions of dollars each and required skilled technicians and programmers to operate them. When I joined the accounting staff at George Washington University Hospital in 1970, automation consisted of electric calculators and posting machines. Within a year, this was to change. In 1970, the hospital began preparations for automating the accounting systems. In a building two blocks from the hospital was a computer that the university was underutilizing. University administrators had agreed to have the third shift, midnight to 8 a.m., available to the hospital. The hospital administration signed a contract with a local software developer for a patient accounts receivable package, signaling a new era for their information processing. This was my first computer, a 1960s vintage design called the IBM 360/30. This multimillion-dollar machine had 64,000 bytes (not megabytes) of memory and removable disk packs that had five 12-inch disks, with a combined storage capacity of seven megabytes (not terabytes, or even gigabytes) of data. The operating system used 12K of memory, which left a 52K partition that was the maximum allowable size for both programs and data stored in memory. Memory was not RAM, but rather tiny magnetic rings that wires passed through and was referred to as core memory. Given these restrictions, it should be easy to understand why programmers in those days tried to preserve every single byte of memory, including the first two digits, "19," of the year. Furthermore, the date routines for one program were used over and over again in other programs written years later. One of the reasons that there was little concern for Y2K was the belief that the programs would not survive. Almost all programs were "custom" written for organizations and the logic was frequently changed and replaced. Even in the 1980s, computer instructors were telling students that the average life-span of a program was five years. What wasn't being said was that "average" wasn't the important statistic. What was important was the life-span of the date routines in critical applications. The answer wasn't five years, it was decades; and the proof of that is awaiting us at the turn of the century. Such was the computer environment in 1970, when the hospital decided to automate the accounting system. As the young and eager supervisor of patient accounts, I played a key role in converting the manual system over to the new computerized billing system. Everything had to be retyped on punch card machines. Even though the computer allowed the use of tape input, we had to use punch card machines because there was no budget for the more expensive tape entry systems. This was all off-line work. The computer was far too primitive to allow for any on-line work and could only "talk" to its tape drive, card reader, and operator console, which was a big noisy electronic typewriter. After a couple of months of around-the-clock work, the system was ready for testing. As simple as an accounting package might seem today, it wasn't so simple in 1971. There were numerous bugs in the COBOL programs and JCL operating system commands that delayed the implementation date and caused considerable anxiety for the managers and administrators who participated in the decision to automate. But now the problems were fixed, the testing finally demonstrated that the software package was viable, and the information we entered about the patient accounts was reasonably accurate. It was time to throw the switch. Looking back, this seemed like such a crucial moment, but we didn't see it at the time. The participants had tested everything and it worked; we were naïve enough to think nothing could go wrong. So, having done his work, the hospital accounting manager went on vacation, leaving his trusted 22-year-old supervisor (me) in charge of the first month's billing cycle. The billing was done using continuous forms paper stock called Data Mailers. They were presealed
[CTRL] Killer Read
-Caveat Lector- If the perpetrator is a juvenile: "Violence portrayed in movies and TV made him do it." If he's an adult: "Violence portrayed IN BOOKS must have made him do it." Next, I suppose, there'll be a move to ban all sex and violence in print ... Killer Had Book on Serial Killer FRESNO, Calif. (AP) - The man charged in the decapitation slaying of a Yosemite National park naturalist was carrying a novel about a serial killer when he was first questioned, according to court records. Hotel handyman Cary Stayner, who reportedly told FBI investigators he killed the naturalist and three female tourists, has pleaded innocent in the killing of naturalist Joie Ruth Armstrong. No charges have been filed in the case of Carole Sund, her daughter Juli and family friend Silvina Pelosso. Stayner was carrying a paperback copy of ``Black Lightning'' in his backpack when he was questioned on July 22, the day after Armstrong's body was found, according to the court records. He was arrested two days later, at a nudist camp. The 1995 best seller by John Saul describes a series of killings in Seattle, with images of women being slashed with knives and power saws. Agents also searched Stayner's vehicle and his room at the Cedar Lodge where he lived and worked, but their findings have not been made public. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Quaking at the Eclipse
-Caveat Lector- Quakes Rock Cyprus, Iran By ALEX EFTY .c The Associated Press NICOSIA, Cyprus (AP) - A series of earthquakes and aftershocks today jolted large parts of the Mideast and western Mediterranean islands, killing at least one person and injuring 16 people. A woman was killed and another person injured in Iran, where the Islamic Republic News Agency reported the quake struck the northeastern village of Moaminabad at 12:03 a.m. IRNA said preliminary estimates put the magnitude at 5.1. On the Mediterranean island of Cyprus, quakes with preliminary magnitudes of 4.2 and 5.8 were reported by the Cyprus Seismological Center. The initial quake struck at 4:20 a.m. today and the second hit about three hours later and could be felt in Lebanon, Syria and Egypt. The quakes were followed by a series of aftershocks, with magnitudes ranging from 2.5 to 4.4, according to the center. They hit just hours before the last total solar eclipse of the millennium. ``Is this going to be the end of the world?'' said Andreas Christou, who fled his house in Limassol, near the epicenter of Akrounda. ``We hear so much about the eclipse, and now this.'' Police in Cyprus said 15 people suffered minor injuries in the second quake, including two men who jumped in panic from the balconies of their apartment buildings in the southern Cyprus port of Limassol. They said 82 buildings were slightly damaged on the island, 32 of them in Limassol. The shaking also caused minor landslides on rural mountain roads. In the western town of Paphos, panicky residents fled their homes and ran into the streets. People on the top floor of apartment blocks in Nicosia, the capital, felt the whole building sway. Cyprus has frequently suffered earthquakes, which have caused serious damage and dozens of casualties in previous years. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Killer Read
-Caveat Lector- Das Goat wrote: Next, I suppose, there'll be a move to ban all sex and violence in print ... and that will include the Bible, which has both throughout. Someone better get this Feinstein chick, so called CA 'Senator' and others like her under control and better yet, out of office... i.e. those who think they know what's best for everyone, from what we ingest or don't ingest both physically and mentally, to parental control, to what goes on in bedrooms behind closed doors. I may not agree with certain things in print, but will still fight for the rights of those who choose to read whatever they want to, in order to protect my own right to read and believe whatever I choose. Agreed, Das Goat... it's coming to that point. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 3:19 AM Subject: [CTRL] Killer Read -Caveat Lector- If the perpetrator is a juvenile: "Violence portrayed in movies and TV made him do it." If he's an adult: "Violence portrayed IN BOOKS must have made him do it." Next, I suppose, there'll be a move to ban all sex and violence in print ... Killer Had Book on Serial Killer FRESNO, Calif. (AP) - The man charged in the decapitation slaying of a Yosemite National park naturalist was carrying a novel about a serial killer when he was first questioned, according to court records. Hotel handyman Cary Stayner, who reportedly told FBI investigators he killed the naturalist and three female tourists, has pleaded innocent in the killing of naturalist Joie Ruth Armstrong. No charges have been filed in the case of Carole Sund, her daughter Juli and family friend Silvina Pelosso. Stayner was carrying a paperback copy of ``Black Lightning'' in his backpack when he was questioned on July 22, the day after Armstrong's body was found, according to the court records. He was arrested two days later, at a nudist camp. The 1995 best seller by John Saul describes a series of killings in Seattle, with images of women being slashed with knives and power saws. Agents also searched Stayner's vehicle and his room at the Cedar Lodge where he lived and worked, but their findings have not been made public. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Federal corn!
-Caveat Lector- If you use federal handouts in place of corn and people in place of the pigs - how close are we to having the final rail put in place? The Wild and Free Pigs of the Okefenokee Swamp based on a telling by George Gordon Some years ago, about 1900, an old trapper from North Dakota hitched up some horses to his Studebaker wagon, packed a few possessions -- especially his traps -- and drove south. Several weeks later he stopped in a small town just north of the Okefenokee Swamp in Georgia. It was a Saturday morning -- a lazy day -- when he walked into the general store. Sitting around the pot-bellied stove were seven or eight of the town's local citizens. The traveler spoke. "Gentlemen, could you direct me to the Okefenokee Swamp?" Some of the oldtimers looked at him like he was crazy. "You must be a stranger in these parts," they said. "I am. I'm from North Dakota," said the stranger. "In the Okefenokee Swamp are thousands of wild hogs." one old man explained. "A man who goes into the swamp by himself asks to die!" He lifted up his leg. "I lost half my leg here, to the pigs of the swamp." Another old fellow said, "Look at the cuts on me; look at my arm bit off!" "Those pigs have been free since the Revolution, eating snakes and rooting out roots and fending for themselves for over a hundred years. They're wild and they're dangerous. You can't trap them. No man dare go into the swamp by himself." Every man nodded his head in agreement. The old trapper said, "Thank you so much for the warning. Now could you direct me to the swamp?" They said, "Well, yeah, it's due south -- straight down the road." But they begged the stranger not to go, because they knew he'd meet a terrible fate. He said, "Sell me ten sacks of corn, and help me load it in the wagon." And they did. Then the old trapper bid them farewell and drove on down the road. The townsfolk thought they'd never see him again. Two weeks later the man came back. He pulled up to the general store, got down off the wagon, walked in and bought ten more sacks of corn. After loading it up he went back down the road toward the swamp. Two weeks later he returned and again bought ten sacks of corn. This went on for a month. And then two months, and three. Every week or two the old trapper would come into town on a Saturday morning, load up ten sacks of corn, and drive off south into the swamp. The stranger soon became a legend in the little village and the subject of much speculation. People wondered what kind of devil had possessed this man, that he could go into the Okefenokee by himself and not be consumed by the wild and free hogs. One morning the man came into town as usual. Everyone thought he wanted more corn. He got off the wagon and went into the store where the usual group of men were gathered around the stove. He took off his gloves. "Gentlemen," he said, "I need to hire about ten or fifteen wagons. I need twenty or thirty men." "I have six thousand hogs out in the swamp, penned up, and they're all hungry. I've got to get them to market right away." "You've WHAT in the swamp?" asked the storekeeper, incredulously. "I have six thousand hogs penned up. They haven't eaten for two or three days, and they'll starve if I don't get back there to feed and take care of them." One of the oldtimers said, "You mean you've captured the wild hogs of the Okefenokee?" "That's right." "How did you do that? What did you do?" the men urged, breathlessly. One of them exclaimed, "But I lost my arm!" "I lost my brother!" cried another. "I lost my leg to those wild boars!" chimed a third. The trapper said, "Well, the first week I went in there they were wild all right." "They hid in the undergrowth and wouldn't come out. I dared not get off the wagon." "So I spread corn along behind the wagon. Every day I'd spread a sack of corn." "The old pigs would have nothing to do with it." "But the younger pigs decided that it was easier to eat free corn than it was to root out roots and catch snakes. So the very young began toeat the corn first." "I did this every day. Pretty soon, even the old pigs decided that it was easier to eat free corn." "After all, they were all free; they were not penned up. They could run off in any direction they wanted at any time." "The next thing was to get them used to eating in the same place all the time. So I selected a clearing, and I started putting the corn in the clearing." "At first they wouldn't come to the clearing. It was too far. It was too open. It was a nuisance to them." "But the very young decided that it was easier to take the corn in the clearing than it was to root out roots and catch their own snakes. And not long thereafter, the older pigs also decided that it was easier to come to the clearing every day." "And so the pigs learned to come to the clearing every day to get
[CTRL] Gentiles in Danger
-Caveat Lector- I don't know if you have ever looked at the Talmud but, it is a very scary work. The Talmud supersedes the Bible for Jews. The Talmud IS the Jewish Holy Book. The Talmud says: gentiles are animals. We are told in the Talmud that the Torah (Genesis thru Deutoronomy) only applies to Jews. It is OK to swindle or kill a gentile. It is there in black and white. Jews cannot deny that. I was specifically told by an orthodox Jew within the past 50 days that it is illegal for gentiles to have abortions but ONLY because of the 7th of the Noahide laws stating that you shall not sever the limb of a living ANIMAL. What animal? The fetus. The fetus is an animal. IT IS LEGAL FOR JEWS TO HAVE ABORTIONS. As far as I am concerned the requirement upon Muslims to slaughter infidels (Jihad) and the Jewish classification of gentiles as animals, to be killed and swindled, are equivalent. Both groups are clearly extremely dangerous and the world would be safer without them. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] that old Reptoid, the Serpent
It occurs to me, with all the talk of the 'reptoids' and 'reptillians', surfacing, wonder if that old Reptoid, that old Serpent spoken of in Genesis 3 and Revelation 12 and Revelation 13, aka the great Dragon, the Beast, could be of that same gene pool or pod? H? Makes one think, doesn't it? Perhaps there's some truth to the Biblical accounts afterall. heh? And if that's true, well, Bill Gates simply can't be the antichrist... LOL .
Re: [CTRL] Gentiles in Danger
-Caveat Lector- Hello PNEALE1, Yes, I've had the gross privilege of viewing a copy of the Talmud... all $666 worth ( that's ironically what it sells for at Zondervan ) and you're right it is a very scary document... wonder if it could be authored by those same ones who call themselves the 'Elders of Zion' ... ? the same ones who CLAIM that the document is "forged" ? h? A forgery requires a real document to have been forged / counterfeited from. So who are they trying to fool with that argument? Certainly no one with any common sense. As far as the world being better off without both groups, i.e. Jews and Muslims, I have to disagree. Christ said to leave the tares alone, (See Matthew 13:22-43) and allow them to grow with the wheat for the time being. So if you perceive the Jews and Muslims as something that should be removed, i.e. "tares" for example, just give it a little more time... For when the appointed time comes, Christ has said that HE and His angels will take care of them, by throwing them into the fire. And what becomes of anything thrown to the fire? It becomes ashes on the sides of the pit, and of no further consequence. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 4:32 AM Subject: [CTRL] Gentiles in Danger -Caveat Lector- I don't know if you have ever looked at the Talmud but, it is a very scary work. The Talmud supersedes the Bible for Jews. The Talmud IS the Jewish Holy Book. The Talmud says: gentiles are animals. We are told in the Talmud that the Torah (Genesis thru Deutoronomy) only applies to Jews. It is OK to swindle or kill a gentile. It is there in black and white. Jews cannot deny that. I was specifically told by an orthodox Jew within the past 50 days that it is illegal for gentiles to have abortions but ONLY because of the 7th of the Noahide laws stating that you shall not sever the limb of a living ANIMAL. What animal? The fetus. The fetus is an animal. IT IS LEGAL FOR JEWS TO HAVE ABORTIONS. As far as I am concerned the requirement upon Muslims to slaughter infidels (Jihad) and the Jewish classification of gentiles as animals, to be killed and swindled, are equivalent. Both groups are clearly extremely dangerous and the world would be safer without them. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] THE Illuminati
http://www.islandnet.com/~persewen/illum_index.htm ILLUMINATI NEWS This website has been visited several times by US Government, US Military, British Government, Russian Federation, Australian Government, Chinese Government, New York Times, Planet Internet EU Parliament, BASF(former IG Farben), Sun Newspaper and the World Bank This site is under surveillance! [I am not joking] Note: This site is non-religious and non-political. This web-master only wants to expose the truth as he has concluded it. Both politics and religions are run by the same forces who want us all to become their slaves in a One World State, in a New World Order of tyranny and oppression. What's wrong with this world? Why all those civil wars, why all this chaos and disaster? Why can't people just live together in peace? When conflicts arise, why is it so hard for the United Nations and other parties to stop the killing despite peace negotiators and ambassadors? Is it that man is basically violent? Is it just human behavior? When we look around, it might seem so, but it's just an illusion. It's all planned from a very high level - above governments and out of sight from ordinary people. All this chaos, genocide, ethnic cleansing and disaster has a genuine purpose. It's very carefully planned by a few invisible men high up in the society, high above any power structure that the citizens know of. It's a planned take-over for to create a One World Government with those people on top, making the rest of us into their slaves in a super socialist state ...! Does it sound incredible and unbelievable? If you haven't been briefed on the situation earlier, I can truly understand that you might think so. But I recommend you to continue the reading of this web site, and I'm sure you will change your mind and on a gradient you will get the picture and find yourself being suddenly very aware of what is happening in the world and why. Your questions will most likely be answered. Take one or a few pages at the time, because it's much to read, but it's vital for anybody's survival to be aware of what I'm now going to tell you. And if you're not familiar with the subject, I strongly advice you to start with the link called An over-all Briefing. An over-all Briefing Targets of the Illuminati Hierarchy of the Illuminati Skull Bones Bill Clinton - Master of War More on Bill Clinton Bill Clinton's crimes
Re: [CTRL] Granada Hills shooting (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- I think it's obvious to people on this list that some sort of spindoctoring, if not outright coverup, is occuring regarding this incident To me, Furrow sounds like someone who actually worked for the government, and infiltrated white supremist groups as a government mole, and to play the role of instigatoranyone who remembers COINTELPRO know that the government did just that with various civil rights, antiwar, and environmentalist groups in the 1960s and 70sand while the COINTELPRO program ceased to exist UNDER THAT NAME, it is very unlikely that the government ever ceased its program of infiltrating what it deems 'subversive' groups... One of the major scandals of COINTELPRO was the fact that almost every act of violence performed by one of the 'subversive' groups had in fact been instigated by a government mole who'd infiltrated the group As for the specifics of this case, first off one would think that any antisemite with half a brain would realize shooting up preschoolers in a daycamp will engender SYMPATHY for Jews, not inspire a religious war against themjust like when a firebomb in a southern church killed 3 little black girls turned general public sympathy TOWARDS passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when previously the majority of the public had been apathetic at best towards the plight of southern blacks... I think it should also be pointed out that rarely are these types of daycamps/daycare centers exclusionary to those of other religions...many that even provide daily religious instruction many times have separate activities for kids of other religions who may be attendingor the center doesn't even provide religious instruction, just operates as any secular daycare or daycamp does... So what I'm pointing out is the fact that while this occured at a daycamp operated by the local JCC, the attendees weren't necessary all Jewish perhaps they were, but it isn't someonthing that can automatically be ASSUMED... It's already been pointed out the discrepancy in the discription of the perpetrator in the early reports...but I haven't seen any discussion regarding these reports, and the later report that the same person who was responsible for the daycamp shootings later shot and killed a postman Now, the early reports described the daycamp shooter as a teenager or young man, carrying an assault rifle and handgunthis later 'morphed' into middleaged Furrow with his Uzi But the postman was shot with a 9mm handgunwhich strengthens the belief that indeed there was at least a 2nd person involved Anyone who, like me, is 'of a certain age', should be getting a 'deja vu' feeling regarding the shooting of this postal workerto me it has all the earmarks of Officer Tibbets' shooting in Dallas after JFK was assassinated...and subsequent evidence that has come to light for the most part proves that Oswald could not have possibly been the man who shot Tibbets...but Tibbets' shooting served a purpose (actually, multiple purposes), mainly as an excuse to arrest Oswald and pin the JFK shooting on him One of the possible reasons for the killing of this postman (there were probably multiple goals) is that it gives the Feds a legal reason to get involved in what would have been solely a local and state criminal matter; also, since there haven't been any deaths in the JCC daycamp shootings, then the perpetrator wouldn't face the death penalty, like the perp of the postman shooting will... The media has been conjecturing where Furrow got the money to afford the longdistance taxi rides to Navada...but their focus hints at money from various white supremist groups, while I suspect Furrow was a government mole, and his taxiride was funded thereby June ;-) *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION
Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant
-Caveat Lector- Just wanted to write a short little message to you about your posts. I am glad to see that there are people out there who are trying to interpret "conspiracies", "science", "current events", etc, and applying it to/through the word of God and not to/through the mind of man. I have recently been saved and blessed by Christ and am seeking my own truths through the Word and not through my own intelligence (If, after all the things man has a tendency to do can be considered "intelligent"). It is hard to explain to someone who would much rather have knowledge than to believe in the book. I to sometimes find it difficult to rely on Gods word instead of my own experiences, but wasn't that the original reason for the fall of man. Eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge and disobeying God; it is lucky for man that the father is who he is. Keep up the great work. And God bless. -Original Message- From: Eagle 1 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 1:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant -Caveat Lector- Sorry, Jamie, again, I disagree, and I know I am on the right track. I can see you haven't done your homework. Read Revelation 12:7 " . . . and the great Dragon, was cast out, that old Serpent called the Devil, Satan, which deceiveth the whole world, he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." NOTICE all the names / titles of Satan... By the way... Lucifer was a cherub, not an angel. There is a difference. An angel is a messenger. A cherub is undefinable, but is known to have been one of the beings who sat to the sides of the mercy seat and were portrayed atop the ark of the covenant. See Exodus 25:19-20 Read Ezekiel 28:13 "... thou has been in Eden the Garden of God..." (Who besides Adam and Eve were in the Garden? Think about it). Read Ezekiel 28:16 "... therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God (reference Isaiah 14:16); and I will destroy thee, O COVERING CHERUB, from the midst of the stones of fire." Sounds like you need to do a little Bible study yourself. You could start with doing a study i.e. learning the meanings of, of all the names / titles of Satan in the Bible. That in itself is quite an education. I am ever learning and willing to learn, but will not be changed because of man's opinions. eagle 1 "Make a daily effort to look upon others without condemnation. Every judgment takes you away from your goal of peace. Keep in mind that you do not define anyone with your judgment; you only define yourself ... as someone who needs to judge." . - Original Message - From: Stopforth, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant -Caveat Lector- Whoa man! Satan and man? He's called Son of the morning, but never man, Lucifer is an Angel. If that's not something you grasp then how in the world could you be on the right track about this ark... Oh well... Jamie DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Beast of the Month - August 1999
Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com http://www.konformist.com/page4.htm http://www.konformist.com/botm/volume03/botm0899.htm Beast of the Month - August 1999 Mary Frances Berry, Pacifica Foundation Chair "I yam an anti-Christ..." John Lydon (aka Johnny Rotten) of The Sex Pistols, "Anarchy in the UK" "The voice of the voiceless." Self-described billing of KPFA radio Just what is it about the month of July? A time that represents independence and liberty (in honor of our Founding Fathers' defiance) has instead become a moment for the suppression of the truth. In 1997, Jerry Ceppos, editor of the San Jose Mercury News, climaxed the most vicious assault on honest investigation in the history of journalism by demoting journalist Gary Webb, whose groundbreaking work on the Dark Alliance series was attacked by establishment mouthpieces for detailing CIA involvement in the crack epidemic via backing the Nicaraguan Contras. Then, last year, CNN President Rick Kaplan fired April Oliver and Jack Smith, the producers of the CNN NewsStand documentary "Valley of Death", which detailed shocking evidence that the Vietnam War-era Operation Tailwind involved using sarin gas on American soldiers. And now, in 1999, while most of the korporate media (not to mention dubious internet sources) focus unnecessary amounts of energy and space to the relatively unimportant story of the death of John-John, what is arguably the country's most daring radio station faces a serious assault from within. KPFA, of Berkeley, California, is the flagship station for The Pacifica Foundation, founded in 1949 to aid the pacifist movement. (Pacifica also has stations in Los Angeles, Houston, New York City and Washington.) KPFA is the oldest listener supported FM station in America, and over the years as a vanguard for free speech, it has often been a solitary yet vital voice of exposing that which needed to be exposed. Among the highlights over the years of KPFA and Pacifica: uncovering the U.S. sponsored mass murder in Guatemala (and other Latin American puppets) by American-trained death squads; reporting on the CIA arms, drugs and terror network which was hidden from public view in Nicaragua (including the Mena, Arkansas drug smuggling operation right under Clinton's nose during his term as governor); the involvement with the SL scandal of figures as diverse as Hillary Clinton and Henry Hyde; highlighting anti-war protests of US actions from Vietnam to Kosovo, as well as continuing coverage of the ongoing US-engineered holocaust in Iraq; broadcasting Patty Hearst (the kidnapped newspaper heiress) denouncing her parents as "capitalist pigs"; and including commentaries from political prisoner and death-row inmate Mumia Abu-Jamal. On the national front, KPFA has covered closely the civil rights movement, as well as given gavel-to-gavel broadcasting of political conventions, the Iran-Contra investigation, and this year's impeachment hearings and trial. Locally, they highlighted the Berkeley Free Speech movement, and pushed to end police brutality and block environmental outrages from the Pacific Gas and Electric nuclear plant on Bodega Bay. Culturally, Pacifica has broadcast poet Alan Ginsberg reading "Howl," George Carlin performing his routine "Filthy Words," provided a forum for suppressed intellectual Noam Chomsky to present his views, and became the first station to play music from the Grateful Dead. Thanks to voicing openly leftist views at the height of the "communist" witchhunt (including the broadcast of Bertolt Brecht and W.E.B. DuBois), Pacifica was harassed and investigated by the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) and the FBI for "subversion." How ironic, then, that after surviving the dark era of political suppression by Hoover and McCarthy, KPFA now faces its worst threat from its own leadership, and the battle, unsurprisingly, is not so much about political ideas as it is about big money and power grabs. Battles between the Pacifica leadership and member stations are nothing new, but the latest war had its first shot on March 31st, 1999, when Pacifica Executive Director Lynn Chadwick fired KPFA general manager Nicole Sawaya, saying that she was not a "good fit." More specifically, Sawaya was fired for refusing to implement national Pacifica policies. Sawaya's ousting came two weeks before KPFA's fiftieth anniversary. Considered an independent minded leader, Sawaya was well liked by KPFA's staff and the larger community. Her ousting provoked a huge protest, and showed a contempt for the basic rule of community radio: that it represent the wishes and desires of the community it serves. Pacifica consulted no one beyond its own inner circle before making this highly controversial decision. The previous month, the Pacifica National Board decided to remove Local Advisory Board (LAB) members from its national
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: LIARS AND WHORES OF THE PRESS
Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com http://www.konformist.com/skolnick/1999/ss080799.htm http://www.konformist.com/skolnick/skolnick.htm Sherman Skolnick Sounds Off!!! Sherman H. Skolnick Recorded phone message: (773) 731-1100 Office, 8 A.M. to midnight, 7 days: (773) 375-5741 9800 So. Oglesby Ave., Chicago IL 60617-4870 08-07-1999 LIARS AND WHORES OF THE PRESS --- Those With the 50 Dollar Hairdos and the Nickel Heads By Sherman H. Skolnick Producer/Moderator, Public Access Cable TV Program "Broadsides" Since 1963, Founder/Chairman, Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts === COKIE ROBERTS. One of her principals lies, that her late father, Cong. Hale Boggs [D., La.]believed a "lone assassin" [not the American CIA] assassinated President John F. Kennedy. Cong. Boggs sat on the Warren Commission which concluded that a "lone nut" blew out the brains of JFK in an open car in Dallas. By 1971, Cong. Boggs had misgivings. He began making public statements that J. Edgar Hoover's FBI was wire-tapping Congress and blackmailing public officials. Boggs had misgivings at the "lone assassin" finding of the Warren Commission panel of which he had been a part in 1964. Boggs was reportedly prepared to make public statements that Richard M. Nixon was complicit in the JFK murder. Nixon was there all day, that bloody time in Dallas, although falsely stating he left that morning by plane. [I was on a Dallas radio show with a former Director of PepsiCo Bottlers, whose counsel in 1963 was Nixon. He said Nixon did not leave that morning and when the murder was announced, Nixon, unlike the others gathered for a business convention, wanted to continue conducting business as if nothing had happened.] Cokie's brother, super-fixer and "lobbyist", Thomas Boggs, is reportedly a pay-off man in Washington. According to published accounts, Boggs has been the lobbyist for central American countries and their "death squads". Cokie Roberts has made public statements that she and her mother are satisfied that her father the Congressman did, indeed, disappear on a plane flight to Alaska, 30 days before Nixon was re-elected President in 1972. Cokie is in a position reportedly to know she is lying. U.S. Military Intelligence, jointly with other U.S. espionage agencies reportedly found the Congressman's airplane but have concealed that. Apparently Boggs' airplane had been sabotaged to silence him on statements he was about to make about Tricky Dick. NOTE: one month AFTER Nixon was re-elected, 12 Watergate figures perished on a sabotaged plane crash in Chicago. Including Mrs. E. Howard Hunt, wife of the Watergate burglar. She had onboard two million dollars in securities she and her husband reportedly blackmailed out of Nixon for silence on Nixon's complicity in the JFK murder. The government attempt at cover-up of the crash as "pilot error" was wrecked when we "liberated" the entire government file, showing sabotage, and sued the fakers on the National Transportation Safety Board. Despite confronting NTSB with these documents at a re-opened public hearing, the NTSB continued the big lie. Rockefeller-owned United Air Lines, covering up the sabotage, arranged to stop in the printing cycle my book, "The Secret History of Airplane Sabotage" [Alas, no copies are now available.] To give Cokie "muscle" as a promoter of the big lie, her mother is U.S. Ambassador to the Vatican.[Previously the U.S. did not send an Ambassador to that theocracy, just a delegate.] Cokie's reward, as others who help cover up political assassinations? She was made a talking head pundit on ABC's Sunday morning network program. === DAN RATHER in 1963 was a much lesser known electronic journalist. He was standing in the shadows under the Triple Overpass Bridge, in Dealey Plaza, as the death car with Pres. Kennedy passed right under Dan Rather's nose. Rather was the only one on the planet to immediately be able to verify that JFK was mortally wounded. About six feet away from Rather, one of the several gunman had been shooting point blank at JFK from a little known sewer opening up on the railroad embankment. At my prompting, a populist paper in 1988 finally published the details after discovering the sewer cover right near where Rather was standing. Was it just a coincidence that Dan Rather was standing there? He alleged he was holding a bag of films to give to a TV network pick up courier. Thereafter, as a reward for his silence and complicity, Rather was made CBS White House correspondent and then, network evening news talking head. Paid millions of dollars per year for his assassination complicity. === Robert MacNeil, Canadian correspondent, just happened to be walking inside the building where the CIA "patsy" Lee Harvey Oswald supposedly shot JFK in the back of the head with a poorly built Italian Carcano rifle from a high window obscured by a tree. MacNeil helped promote the big
[CTRL] OEN 8/12/99
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Today's Lesson From The Open Society and Its Enemies by Karl Popper Aestheticism and radicalism must lead us to jettison reason, and to replace it by a desperate hope for political miracles. This irrational attitude which springs from an intoxication with dreams of a beautiful world is what I call Romanticism. It may seek its heavenly city in the past or in the future; it may preach "back to nature" or "forward to a world of love and beauty"; but its appeal is always to our emotions rather than to reason. Even with the best intentions of making heaven on earth it only succeeds in making it a hell--that hell which man alone prepares for his fellow-men. = Fin-de-siecle Darkness at Noon End of the age postponed, or accelerated, or something HONFLEUR, France - On the beach, the light was finally subdued and the sky settled into blue near-night. As the last rays from the eclipsed sun winked out, the people gathered in the gloom broke into cheers. Holy and unholy at once, the moon-blackened sun was something to behold, bigger than itself, and somehow close to home. Flashbulbs popped like sparks down the crowded beach. So did Champagne corks. There were shrieks of joy, blunt confessions of marvel, shivers in the unearthly cool. Out at sea, the sun shone dimly behind a far curtain, the visible edge of the eye of the shadow. Spectators, agog, could not resist the self-evident. ''Look! Look! There it is!'' one woman shouted. ''The process is happening,'' her friend confirmed. The last solar eclipse of the millennium Wednesday stirred a 70-mile-wide (110-kilometer-wide) patch of human wonder along an arc of darkness from the English Channel to the Indian Subcontinent. For a little more than three hours, virtu ally all routine halted to permit goggle-eyed appreciation or ill-concealed dread. Overcast skies across the water between Britain and France had everyone in a funk as the drama mounted. But the clouds broke in the nick of time to unveil - behind protective glasses, of course - the eclipse in its golden ring of totality. Rainy and cloudy weather farther east, through Germany, Austria, Southeastern Europe, Turkey, and across South Asia, made clear views of the rarest of heavenly events more the exception than the rule. Television networks in Europe reported that 350 million people worldwide had witnessed the eclipse, total or partial, some crossing great distances for the right spot, others merely stopping what they were doing and looking up. The crewmen of the Russian spacecraft Mir, for their part, looked down on the eclipse as it moved across the surface of Earth like a smudge. The two Russians and one Frenchman aboard were the first humans to see an eclipse from space. Outside the band of totality, earthlings flocked to television screens and jammed Web sites to see the eclipse unfold. The National Aeronautics and Space Administration reported 1.9 million hits to its sites in 36 hours. Stock markets in Europe, meanwhile, experienced trading lulls during the eclipse. Among the temporary sun-and-moon worshipers Wednesday was Pope John Paul II, who cut short his morning Mass to view the eclipse. In the sprawling plaza in front of Jerusalem's Western Wall, 80 percent of an eclipse brought out messianic Jews, astronomical amateurs and astonished tourists. ''We've come here to sit and receive divine light and spread it on Earth,'' said Niv, an Israeli who gave his age as ''in this life, 25.'' Chaim Simka, an American Jew studying in Jerusalem, said the eclipse marked ''the beginning of the end, or pretty much the beginning of the beginning.'' He said that the moon, representing the Jewish people, was blotting out the sun, which stood for all other nations on Earth. The eclipse, he said, ''is the kickoff of the big football game.'' Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority in Gaza and the West Bank ordered businesses closed for the day, but few Arab merchants complied. ''If God wants us closed, he'll tell us,'' a ceramics vendor said. Predictions of natural calamities or the Apocalypse itself have proved unfounded thus far, although a series of quakes and aftershocks rumbled through Cyprus and parts of Iran a couple of hours before the eclipse, killing one, and conflict on the Asian Subcontinent continued with a new incident between India and Pakistan. In New Delhi, 70-year-old Krishnavati Pande sat under a tree outside a Hindu temple, chanting along with sacred prayers from a ceremony honoring the Hindu sun god, Surya. But all she could think of was her pregnant daughter-in-law back home. ''During the period of the solar eclipse, she should not cut any vegetables, she should not eat anything, or stop out of the house, or fold her hands or legs,'' Mrs. Pande said. ''Bad things can happen to you if you don't follow the rules.'' Reporters at zoos and wildlife
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: KN4M 08-12-99
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Re: [CTRL] that old Reptoid, the Serpent
-Caveat Lector-
- Original Message -
From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It occurs to me, with all the talk of the 'reptoids' and
'reptillians', surfacing, wonder if that old Reptoid, that
old Serpent spoken of in Genesis 3 and Revelation 12 and
Revelation 13, aka the great Dragon, the Beast, could be
of that same gene pool or pod?
The Eden serpent was an angel/messenger sent by {JHWH} to
deceive AE - {JHWH}'s motive there is open to speculation;
but being an ET, we may assume that {JHWH} meant to further
reptoid interests.
H? Makes one think, doesn't it? Perhaps there's some
truth to the Biblical accounts afterall. heh?
Ther are several distinct creation myths embedded in Genesis,
thus there were multiple creations, eh? And pi=3.0. And all
the humdreds of millions of 'animal' species on Earth fit
together on an ark the size of a large ferryboat. And you're
hellbound if you eat mushrooms or kelp. Yup, some truth...
And if that's true, well, Bill Gates simply can't be the
antichrist...
LOL.
'Serpent' and 'Antichrist' aren't necessarily identical. But
Gates certainly displays some Reptilioid qualities, eh?
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Re: [CTRL] Killer Read
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Someone better get this Feinstein chick, so called CA 'Senator' and others like her under control and better yet, out of office... That's easily done. Just move here and vote. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] that old Reptoid, the Serpent
-Caveat Lector- Hi Ric, I disagree that there are several "MYTHS" embedded in the creation account. The fact of the matter is that the Hebrews interpretation of the creation as written in the pentateuch by Moses is correct. The first error the English interpretation offers is in Genesis 1:2. The English renders that verse: the earth 'was created void and without form'. In Hebrew it claims that the earth "became a waste and a desolation"... so the English renders several myths going out the gate. The original language does not. The flood of Noah? I believe was local, not worldwide; and NO he did not get every species on the ark, because it was not necessary. He only took aboard domesticated animals and those required to continue the species, including members of every race of even humans of the area. A superficial study of the flood may lead you to believe that it was worldwide, because most people do not understand that there was a greater flood before the flood of Noah that caused the earth to be covered with water, specifically where Genesis states that 'darkness was upon the face of the deep', correctly interpreted, the earth was totally and 100% flooded, per Genesis 1:2, but I reiterate the original language provides that it became that way. So the next directive is to find out how it became that way, and how did it exist BEFORE that event. If the flood of Noah was worldwide, and was the only great flood, why would it be necessary for God to promise Noah that He would never again flood the earth, after only ONE flooding? Seems pretty unfair, if it so happened that way. From my own studies, I do not believe that was the one and only flood because of the Hebraic statement made in Genesis 1:2. Many things are left to speculation when man's opinions and ego gets in the way. Too many 'men' have wanted to some how in some small way 'rule' the world, and have tried again and again, be reinventing the Bible over and over, with rendition after rendition, translation after translation... especially since the invention of the printing press. Even the writers of the King James wrote an extensive thesis and introduction to their writings and did not gurarantee that they had interpreted it correctly into English from the Hebrew and other languages used. At least they made their disclaimer up front, from the onset. Religions have sprung up like weeds in an unattended garden, and Christianity today has become almost a joke compared to what Christ actually taught. Most churches today would reject the true Christ because he would appear as alien to what they have been teaching. As a matter of fact, most religions who claim to believe in Christ today, would boot Him out the door and probably call HIM the antichrist, if He came teaching His original messages as He taught 2000 years ago. So am I surprised that you cast doubt on the Biblical accounts? No, and I don't blame you. For what I've seen in my past 40 years of studying the Bible, including leaving the faith for nearly 15 years for what was being taught in a commonly known protestant religion, I don't blame anyone for not believing and for doubting what 'myths' they've encountered and they should. But people need to learn to study the Bible for themselves including learning what the languages tried to get across. Then there is left no doubt, and no myth regarding anything to do with the Bible account. The Bible clearly states that there is a famine in the land and it is not for food. "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread [food] nor thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord, and they shall wonder from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord and shall not find it." - Amos 8:11-12 And I believe that the serpent, and antichrist are one in the same inward personnage, just that he comes by a different names and a different titles. This is all a part of the deception... his transformations and disguises. He has many descriptions, and why he is commonly called the beast. That is why I have suggested previously to do a study on all the names and titles of who we call 'Satan'; no wonder he is called 'The Beast'. And yes, I suppose, depending on how you look at it, BG does have a reptoid type personna... but I still can't see him being the ac. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] that old Reptoid, the Serpent -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] It occurs to me, with all the talk of the 'reptoids' and 'reptillians', surfacing, wonder if that old Reptoid, that old Serpent spoken of in Genesis 3 and Revelation 12 and Revelation 13, aka the great Dragon, the Beast, could be of that
Re: [CTRL] Kansas Board of Education vote on Evolution
-Caveat Lector- Dear Friends: I'd like to commend the Kansas Board of Education for their vote to remove Evolution from the curriculum of Kansas public schools. Kids from other states will now have less competition for higher education and meaningful employment. Kansas graduates will of course be able to find rewarding careers in the building maintenance and food service industries. Televangelists and other demagogues will have an easier time targeting audiences - they'll merely address their messages to Kansans. Family planning clinic bombers will have an enlarged group from which to recruit. A new pool of guests will be available for the Jerry Springer Show and similar media productions. I'm certain that many other public benefits will ensue. Yes, the Board has performed wonderfully. Now you can work towards removing geology, astronomy, biology and other such unholy subjects from the Kansas curriculum. Why clutter-up education with science? Yours, Richard N. Carter * http://sonic.net/~ric * ICQ# 19633976 * FAX: 603-415-3736 * * *** SkeptiChat: sliding down the razor-blade of life *** now featuring SkeptiNews: All The News That's Fit To Question email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] chinese PLA takeover of Panama Canal [drudge]
-Caveat Lector- http://www.drudgereport.com/ Published in Washington, D.C. 5am -- August 12, 1999 www.washtimes.com China company grabs power over Panama Canal By Rowan Scarborough THE WASHINGTON TIMES Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott recently wrote to Defense Secretary William S. Cohen that a Chinese shipping company is gaining broad authority over the Panama Canal and could deny passage to U.S. ships. "It appears that we have given away the farm without a shot being fired," the Mississippi Republican said in the Aug. 1 letter requesting Mr. Cohen's security assessment. It was the first time a congressional leader has raised questions about growing Chinese influence over one of the world's most strategic waterways. Until now, warnings were being raised primarily by a handful of conservative lawmakers, led by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, California Republican, who plans a fact-finding trip to Panama on Monday. The focus of concern is Hutchinson Whampoa Ltd., a giant Hong Kong-based shipping firm with ties to China's leadership and its armed forces, the People's Liberation Army (PLA). Under circumstances the U.S. Embassy in Panama called unusual, the government in 1997 awarded Hutchinson a 25- to 50-year contract to run the two major ports on the canal's Atlantic and Pacific entrances. -- Continued from Front Page -- Moreover, conservatives assert that Panama gave Hutchinson broader powers in legislation known as "Law No. 5." Al Santoli, an aide to Mr. Rohrabacher, said the law enables Hutchinson to assign the pilots who take control of ships and steer them through the canal. He also said the Chinese company can block passage of ships to meet its business needs. This contention was challenged by a spokesman for the Panama Canal Commission, a panel of five Americans and four Panamanians who run the waterway. The Panama Canal Commission spokesman said the treaty gives the United States the right to intervene militarily to protect access. Mr. Lott wrote to Mr. Cohen, "This administration is allowing a scenario to develop where U.S. national security interests could not be protected without confronting the Chinese communists in the Americas. U.S. naval ships will be at the mercy of Chinese-controlled pilots and could even be denied passage through the Panama Canal by Hutchinson, an arm of the People's Liberation Army. "In addition, the Chinese Communist Party will gain an intelligence information advantage by controlling this strategic chokepoint. It appears that we have given away the farm without a shot being fired." The senator sent the letter based on an article in Insight magazine, a sister publication of The Washington Times, that detailed Hutchinson's ties to the PLA. The Times first reported in 1997 that Hutchinson had gained control of the port of Balboa on the Pacific and Cristobal on the Atlantic. The United States is the No. 1 user of the canal that carries 13,000 ships per year. The U.S. military is abandoning bases in Panama under a 1977 treaty, signed by President Carter, that gives canal ownership to Panama, effective Dec. 31. Mr. Santoli said the canal is part of a Chinese strategy to move into countries abandoned by the United States and the former Soviet Union. In Cuba, for example, Chinese intelligence officials are helping Cuba build a communications facility, he said. "They're using Panama as a staging area for the region," Mr. Santoli said. "They're doing a massive amount of construction, a lot of investment. Literally hundreds of mainland Chinese are moving into Panama at all levels." The Miami Herald on Monday quoted Panama's ousted intelligence chief as accusing his country's president, Ernesto Perez Balladares, of personally demanding visas for 140 Chinese immigrants. The newspaper said the U.S. Justice Department is investigating a scheme in which Chinese immigrants paid $15,000 each for visas to use Panama as a staging area for illegal entry into the United States. The Panama debate comes amid broader questions about China's strategic intentions and criticism of President Clinton's pro-Beijing policies from both Democrats and Republicans. Military experts say a pattern of Chinese actions reveals a long-range strategic plan to dominate Asia and exert influence worldwide. The moves include its forays in Panama, its failed attempt to take over the old Long Beach, Calif., naval base, its suspected spying at U.S. nuclear labs, its illegal injection of campaign cash into Democratic Party coffers and its increased military spending, especially on nuclear weapons. Reporting on a trip he and outside experts made to Panama in June, Mr. Santoli wrote in a report, "The delegation was concerned about the growing presence of communist
[CTRL] waco witch: It is common sense.. to license all guns.
-Caveat Lector- http://www.tampabayonline.net/news/news101c.htm 8/12/99 -- 11:18 AM Clinton meeting with Jewish leaders at White House today WASHINGTON (AP) - President Clinton was to discuss the Los Angeles Jewish center shootings with a delegation of American Jewish leaders at the White House, a spokesman said. The private, late afternoon meeting today was scheduled before Tuesday's shootings, but hate crimes will be on the agenda, spokesman Barry Toiv said. Toiv did not comment on whether the president believes the woundings of five people at the Jewish center was a hate crime. The suspected gunman, Buford O'Neal Furrow Jr., told the FBI he intended the shootings as ``a wake-up call to America to kill Jews.'' Attorney General Janet Reno said today the ``shootings appear to have been motivated by hate. ``Hate crimes represent an attack not just on individual victims, but also on the victims' communities. They tear at the very fabric of a people's life,'' she said at her weekly briefing for reporters at the Justice Department. Reno renewed the Clinton administration's commitment to stiffer gun control, and then went further. ``I believe we must seriously explore the possibility of requiring the licensing of all handguns,'' she said. ``It is common sense, pure common sense, to ensure that guns are only in the hands of those who know how to safely and lawfully use them and have the capacity and the willingness to do so,'' she said. Toiv would not address Reno's remarks. On Wednesday, Clinton said it is ``deeply disturbing'' to think the shootings were motivated by religious hatred. ``I can only hope that this latest incident will intensify our resolve to make America a safer place, and a place of healing across the lines that divide us,'' Clinton said. Clinton last week reiterated his appeal to Congress to pass a hate crimes bill that would make it easier for the Justice Department to investigate and prosecute such offenses. The Senate approved the measure last month and added it to a still pending spending bill. The House Judiciary Committee held a hearing on the measure last week. Critics say a federal law is unnecessary since states prosecute hate crimes. http://www.tampabayonline.net/news/news101c.htm Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] TRUST THE PEOPLE: THE CASE AGAINST GUN CONTROL [Conclusion]
-Caveat Lector- http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa109.html Conclusion In 1911 state senator Timothy Sullivan of New York promised that if New York City outlawed handgun carrying, homicides would decline drastically. The year the Sullivan law took effect, however, homicides increased and the New York Times pronounced criminals "as well armed as ever."[184] Gun control does not reduce crime; gun ownership does. Gun control insists that citizens rely on the authorities. Gun owners know better than to put their lives and liberty in the hands of 911 and the police. Gun control and the Bill of Rights cannot coexist. The advocates of gun control believe that government agents are more trust- worthy than ordinary citizens. The authors of the Second Amendment believed just the opposite. FOOTNOTES [1] "Urban Murders on the Rise," Newsweek, February 9, 1987, p. 30. The officer's formula does not consider the possibility that gun ownership might be a response and a deterrent to rising crime rates. For gun ownership as a response to crime rate increases, see B. Benson, "Private Sector Responses to Rising Crime," in Firearms and Violence: Issues of Public Policy, ed. Donald B. Kates (Cambridge, Mass.: Ballinger, 1984), pp. 329- 56. [2] D. Lunde, Murder and Madness (San Francisco: San Francisco Book Co., 1976), p. 1. [3] Donald B. Kates, Why Handqun Bans Can't Work (Bellevue, Wash.: Second Amendment Foundation, 1982), p. 23. One study of various Illinois counties found no relation between gun ownership and crime, except that female gun ownership appeared to rise in response to a rising crime rate. See David Bordua, "Firearms Ownership and Violent Crime: A Comparison of Illinois Counties," in The Social Ecoloqy of Crime (New York: Springer-Verlag, 1986). [4] James Wright, Peter Rossi, and Kathleen Daly, Under the Gun: Weapons, Crime and Violence in America (Hawthorne, N.Y.: Aldine, 1983). [5] James Wright and Peter Rossi, Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms (New York: Aldine, 1986), pp. 141, 145, 151. [6] Alan Krug, "The Relationship between Firearms Ownership and Crime: A Statistical Analysis," reprinted in Congressional Record, 99th Cong., 2d sess., January 30, 1968, p. 1496, n. 7; Gary Kleck, "Policy Lessons from Recent Gun Control Research," Journal of Law and Contemporary Problems 49 (Winter 1986): 35-47. [7] Carol Ruth Silver and Donald B. Kates, "Self-Defense, Handgun Ownership, and the Independence of Women in a Violent, Sexist Society," in Restricting Handguns: The Liberal Skeptics Speak Out, ed. Donald B. Kates (Croton-on-Hudson, N.Y.: North River Press, 1979), p. 152. [8] "Town to Celebrate Mandatory Arms," New York Times, April 11, 1987, p. 6. [9] Gary Kleck and David Bordua, "The Factual Foundation for Certain Key Assumptions of Gun Control," Law and Policy Ouarterly 5 (1983): 271-98; Krug, p. 1496, n. 7. [10] George Rengert and John Wasilchick, Suburban Burglary- A Time and a Place for Everything (Springfield, Ill.: Charles C. Thomas, 1985), p. 30; J. Conklin, Robbery and the Criminal Justice System (Philadelphia: Lippincott, 1972), p. 85. [11] Wright, Rossi, and Daly, pp. 139-40. [12] John Kaplan, "Controlling Firearms," Cleveland State Law Review 28 (1979), p. 8. [13] Donald B. Kates, "Handgun Control: Prohibition Revisited," Inquiry, December 5, 1977, p. 20, n. 1. [14] David Bordua, Alan Lizotte, and Gary Kleck, Patterns of Firearms Ownership, Use and Registration in Illinois, (Spring- field, Ill.: Illinois Law Enforcement Commission, 1979), p. 253. [15] Kates, Why Handqun Bans Can't Work, p. 43. [16] David Hardy, "Critiquing the Case for Handgun Prohibition," in Restrictinq Handguns, pp. 87-88. Hardy's article was published in 1979, so it is fair to assume that the actual costs would be considerably higher than the figures quoted here. See also Raymond Kessler, "Enforcement Problems of Gun Control: A Victim- less Crimes Analysis," Criminal Law Bulletin 16 (March/April 1980): 131-44. [17] Wright, Rossi, and Daly, pp. 25-44. [18] The armed crime ratio is based on an assumption that there are about 100,000 handgun criminals in the United States. About 300,000 handgun crimes are reported annually to the FBI. Since many robbers and burglars carry out several dozen crimes or more a year, it seems safe to divide the total of 300,000 by at least three, allotting three crimes per criminal. The homicide ratio is based on an assumption of 10,000 handgun homicides annually (and no gun being used in more than one homicide). In 1984 there were 9,819 gun homicides in the United States, of which 7,277 were committed with a handgun. See Department of Commerce (Bureau of Census), Statistical Abstract of the United States 1986 (Washington: Government Printing Office 1985) p. 171. [19] Wright and Rossi, pp. 189, 211. [20] "Tribesmen in Pakistan Thrive," New York Times, November 2, 1977, p. 2; Wright, Rossi, and Daly, p. 321. [21] Kaplan, p. 20. [22] Bureau of
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Japan Tested A-Bomb in WWII (fwd)]
-Caveat Lector- MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- This is from North Korea's Korean Central News Agency of the DPRK (Democratic People's Republic of Korea). Found at: http://www.kcna.co.jp/contents/08.htm#4 snip Old Japanese army tests A-bomb in sea off Korea Pyongyang, August 8 (KCNA) -- The Japanese Tokyo Shimbun August 6 disclosed that the old Japanese army tested an A-bomb in the sea off Hungnam on the east coast of Korea just before the end of World War II. According to a secret document of the U.S. Army quoting the Jiji news from the U.S. National Archives, the U.S. Army was informed of the fact that a test related to the atomic power took place at a chemical factory in Hungnam in 1945 and ordered investigation into it. It also said in an investigation report worked out on January 16, 1947, that the Japanese army made an explosion test with the help of a boat in waters off the east coast of the North Korea, the result of which was like an A-bomb. The U.S. forces received information from an intelligence officer of the old Japanese army that it tested an A-bomb in waters 30 km away from Hungnam at the dawn of August 12, 1945, and huge mushroom-like clouds rose at that time. Tokyo Shimbun said that Japan began an A-bomb research in secrecy on the order of the army headquarters from about 1940. snip This is a well-documented if unpublicized aspect of WW2 history which we would do well to spread information about. (I will have to hunt up the supporting references; however, I will stand by the accuracy of this information.) The German A-bomb project got sidetracked by a number of bad guesses; by the time they had figured out their mistakes, the American Manhattan Project was too far advanced for the Nazis to overcome their lead. The Japanese were in many ways further along than the Americans in terms of theory, but lacked the financial resources and materiel to implement their research. They *did* have substantial reserves of fissiles available in Manchukuo (occupied Manchuria) and New Guinea, but again lacked the infrastructure to extract, refine, and transport the uranium. In the last days of the European war, the Germans apparently shipped their remaining stocks of enriched uranium to Japan via submarine -- a highly dangerous operation in the best of times, virtually suicidal for the Germans. Following V-J Day, an American scientific team led by Philip Morrison of Harvard, the brilliant physicist, determined that the Japanese had in fact used the German uranium to construct an extremely crude fission bomb, which they tested on an island off of the Korean coast shortly before the surrender. Even if the Japanese had been able to build their bomb sooner, they would still have lacked the ability to deliver it; their heavy bombers did not have the range, and the U.S. Navy had decimated the Japanese Navy's aircraft carriers. The one remaining possibility would have been suicide missions using submarines, probably miniature subs launched from mother ships. Although such missions were in the planning stage, the plans, of course, proved moot when Japan surrendered. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The evolution of Civilisation I
-Caveat Lector- Attached is an excerpt from Prof Carol Quigley's- The evolution of civilisation He is better known for his Tragedy and hope in which he outlines the role of finance capitalism in the present world set up. Prof Quigley was also Pres Clinton's mentor. It is interesting to speculate the reasons for say america's open border policy. Is it to push the country to stage 7. Or is it meant to be creating the scene for a universal empire or to renew the america? Prof Carol Quigley's work is used extensively in Prof S Hutchinsons (CFR) " the clash of culture's" (but he doesnt mention Tragedy and hope). Also it can seen that Rees-Mogg's books owe an unacknowledged debt to Prof Quigley === 5 Historical Change in Civilizations It is clear that every civilization undergoes a process of historical change. We can see that a civilization comes into existence, passes through a long experience, and eventually goes out of existence. We know, for example, that Mesopotamian civilization did not exist about 10,000 B.C.; it did exist about 3000 B.C.; it had ceased to exist by A.D.1000. Similarly, it is clear that Classical civilization did not exist about 1500 B.C.; it clearly did exist about 500 B.C.; and it had obviously passed out of existence by A.D. 1000. And, finally, it is clear that Western civilization did not exist about A.D. 500; it did exist in full flower about A.D. 1500; and it will surely pass out of existence at some time in the future, perhaps before A.D. 2500. Now, while everyone will probably agree with all this, it would be difficult to obtain agreement on any specific dates on which these events occurred. This difficulty arises from the fact that civilizations come into existence, rise and flourish, and go out of exist-ence by a slow process which covers decades or even centuries, and historians are unable to agree on any precise dates for these events. This is perfectly proper: if Classical civilization came into existence by a slow process and went out of existence by a slow process, it would give a false appearance of rigidity to fix its dates, say at 1184 B.C.-A.D. 476, as has sometimes been done. In the following discus-sion it should be remembered that the dates given for his. torical periods are only approximate. Beyond recognizing that civilizations begin and end, historians are fairly well agreed that, after they begin, they flourish and grow for a while, that eventually they reach a peak of power and prosperity, and that they weaken and decay before their final end. This process of evolution of civilizations can only be studied in an effective fashion if we divide it into a number of consecutive periods. We might divide it into two periods, such as "rise" and "decline"; we might divide it into three periods, such as "youth," "maturity," and "old age"; or we might divide it into five or fifty periods. The process of change in the history of any civilization is a continuum and, accordingly, the periods into which we may divide it are arbitrary and imaginary. Thus, it might be argued that one system of periodization is as good as another and, accordingly, we are free to divide it in any way that seems to fit our purpose at the moment. To some extent this is true, as long as we are aware that our periods are subjective, but necessary, divisions. However, it is not completely true that one periodization is as good as another, although any system of periodization may well be useful for some specific purpose. Obviously, periodization must depend on changes in the society's culture. And, equally obviously, changes in a culture must de-pend on the causes of these changes. Accordingly, the periodization should, ideally, depend on the causes of the culture changes. This rule has been consistently neglected in all discussion of this subject. Writers tell us that a civilization rises and falls; they divide this process into periods, and they sometimes try to explain why it rises and falls; but they rarely relate their periods of the process of change to their explanation of the causes of the change. The most popular explanation of the causes of historical change and especially of the rise and fall of civilizations has been by means of some biological analogy in which a people, once young and vigorous, were softened and weakened by rising standards of living, or by a loss of the ideology of hard work and self-sacrifice that had made their rise possible. In most cases little or no effort has been made to correlate this process of change with the various stages through which the civilization was said to have passed. In some cases this "softening of fiber" theory has been presented in a more nai've form by a simple biological analogy in which civilizations, like man himself, were felt to pass through a simple sequence of youth, maturity, and old age. In many cases no real explanation
[CTRL] Gun control does not reduce crime; gun ownership does.
-Caveat Lector- Folks, See my three part article, "Trust the People: The Case Against Gun Control." Please spread that Article far and wide. Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Media Bypass Article/Columbine Conspiracies??
-Caveat Lector- Hello: In July's edition of MB researcher and investigator Devvy Kidd went to Littleton, Colorado from May 18/22. What she says she found out is at varience with what many are saying, namely Newshawk.. Possibly a third gunman but no-one told her about being coerced by FBI or other law endorcement to conform to the two gunman theory. She says SWAT teams started doing room to room searches at 1:30pm and did not wait 4 hours to enter the building. Devvy says she spoke to Chris Wishers mother on May 19 and was told to leave them alone, Karen would not confirm or deny anything Newshawk has said, she just ranted at Devvy. Devvy talked with a student who says he was with Chris Wisher at the time of the shootings, at a time when Newshawk has said that Chris stated that he saw several other assassins. This student totally refutes these claims, Devvy says: "This student stated this was false, that he felt Chris got caught up in the media frenzy like so many other kids..." I do not have time to go into further detail on this lengthy article right now, you can buy yourself a copy. Devvy did say that her full article was posted at her website, but I couldn't find it. www.devvy.com I have found Devvy to be a solid researcher although I do not agree with everything she says. I was a little surprised she didn't give out CRTF's website so people can get their answer to what she found out in the few days she was there. Far more research and time is needed before any conclusions can be drawn in the Littleton shooting. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The evolution of civilisation II
-Caveat Lector-
Attached is an excerpt from Prof Carol Quigley's- The evolution of
civilisation
10 Western Civilization
The death of Classical civilization and the barbarian migrations that
accompanied it left the shores of the Mediterranean Sea and an extensive
hinterland behind them in cultural chaos. The area was filled with shattered
social groups and cultural wreckage bobbing about on swirls and eddies as if
a great ship had sunk in a quiet sea. In the next three hundred years
(500-800) these peoples and cultural debris began to integrate to form core
areas of three new civilizations. All of these were on the extreme periphery
of the older Classical society. To the southeast, in Arabia, ap-peared
Islamic civilization; to the northeast, in the Northern Flatlands, appeared
Orthodox Russian civilization; and in the northwest, in France, appeared
Western civilization. Each of these had its distinctive outlook and
organization, as all societies do, and the relationship between the three
became one of the continuing problems of the next fifteen hundred years.
Western civilization presents one of the most difficult tasks for
historical analysis, because it is not yet finished, because we are a part
of it and lack perspective, and be-cause it presents considerable variation
from our pattern of is the least capable of being exported and because its
pervasive in all the other levels as well. In this particular case there is
the additional necessity for exposition of this aspect, because of
widespread ignorance or misunderstanding of it,
We might begin by saying that Western ideology is opti mistic,
moderate, hierarchical, democratic, individualistic yet social, and dynamic.
All these terms refer only to aspects of the whole and do not really get us
to its essence.
This essence might be summed up in the belief that "Truth unfolds in
time through a communal process." Before we attempt to analyze this rather
cryptic statement, we should say a few words about the more superficial
aspects.
The Western outlook is optimistic because it believes that the world
is basically good and that the greatest good lies in the future. This covers
all the ideas Etienne Gilson included in the term "Christian optimism." The
Classical ideology began by being mundane and ended with a dualism in which
it saw the universe as an evil material world opposed to a good spiritual
sphere. Western ideology be-lieves that the material is good and the
spiritual is better but that they are not opposed to each other since the
material world is necessary for the achievement of the spiritual world. The
world and the flesh are good because they were both made by God (as in the
Old Testament). The material world is necessary to the spiritual in two ways
: ( 1) no SOUR exists without a body and (2) no soul can be saved except by
its own efforts and cooperative actions with other persons, both of which
can be achieved only by bodily actions in this world.
These ideas appeared clearly in the Christian religion, although they had a
very difficult time getting accepted because the dualistic late Classical
ideology regarded the world and the flesh as evil and felt that the spirit
could achieve full spirituality only by freeing itself from the body, from
the world, and from contact with one's fellow man and that such spiritual
achievement was a consequence of the individual's own activity alone,
without cooperation with his fellow men. This attitude appeared very clearly
in Persian thinking about 600 B.C., came into Classical an-tiquity through
the Pythagorean rationalists, and was given a clear, explicit, and
influential statement in Plato's Phaedo about 385 B.C. Although quite
incompatible with the Classi-cal outlook, these ideas became increasingly
influential and became the generally accepted philosophic outlook after the
third century of our era. This led to a phenomenal outgrowth of anchoritism
in the third to sixth centuries. It must be recognized that this philosophic
position was basically in-compatible with the religious ideas of
Christianity. The latter has been threatened ever since by dualistic
heresies (like Arianism, Catharism, or Jansenism) derived from this
philosophic background.
Western ideology believed that the world was good because it was
made by God in six days and that at the end of each day He looked at His
work and said that it was good. This meant that the world was a
comprehensible place (one of the basic ideas of Western science) and that
its existence unfolded in time (not by instantaneous creation or through
eternal existence). The body was also good, being made by God in His own
image. Man needed others in order to de-velop his capacities in time, and
he needed his body, his fellow men, and God's help, as well as his own
efforts to achieve, over time, salvation in the future. This salvation
included the body as well as the soul ("resurrection of the body and life
[CTRL] FW: [Patriot_Net] Fwd: [theseries] QUIXOTE'S HORSE- Copin' with Coppin: NWO Quotes
Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! -Original Message- From: Gina Burnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 9:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Patriot_Net] Fwd: [theseries] QUIXOTE'S HORSE- Copin' with Coppin: NWO Quotes forward attached. Gina "For we battle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Eph. 6:12 Title: QUIXOTE'S HORSE- Copin' with Coppin: NWO Quotes QUIXOTE'S HORSE FAMOUS PERSON'S QUOTES These quotations first appeared on a web page hosted by superb investigative reporter Jeff Rense. They are presented here without further editorial comment :-) Still Don't Believe NWO Domination and Control? Revelations From Great And Powerful Men "The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." - Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England, in a novel he published in 1844 called "Coningsby, the New Generation" "The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans." - British Prime Ministers Benjamin Disraeli, 1876 "Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States , in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interl ocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - Woodrow Wilson The New Freedom. (1913) "In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press... They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers... An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers. - U.S. Congressman Oscar Callaway, 1917 "What is important is to dwell upon the increasing evidence of the existence of a secret conspiracy, throughout the world, for the destruction of organized government and the letting loose of evil." - Christian Science Monitor editorial, June 19th, l920 "The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screenAt the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties." - New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922 "From the days of Sparticus, Wieskhopf, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire." - Winston Churchill, stated to the London Press, in l922. "We are at present working discreetly with all our might to wrest this mysterious force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local nation states of the world. - Professor Arnold Toynbee, in a June l931 speech before the Institute for the Study of International Affairs in Copenhagen. "The government of the Western nations, whether monarchical or republican, had passed into the invisible hands of a plutocracy, international in power and grasp. It was, I venture to suggest, this semioccult power whichpushed the mass of the American people into the Cauldron of
Re: [CTRL] Killer Read
-Caveat Lector- You Don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them...Ray Bradbury. Das GOAT wrote: -Caveat Lector- If the perpetrator is a juvenile: "Violence portrayed in movies and TV made him do it." If he's an adult: "Violence portrayed IN BOOKS must have made him do it." Next, I suppose, there'll be a move to ban all sex and violence in print ... Killer Had Book on Serial Killer FRESNO, Calif. (AP) - The man charged in the decapitation slaying of a Yosemite National park naturalist was carrying a novel about a serial killer when he was first questioned, according to court records. Hotel handyman Cary Stayner, who reportedly told FBI investigators he killed the naturalist and three female tourists, has pleaded innocent in the killing of naturalist Joie Ruth Armstrong. No charges have been filed in the case of Carole Sund, her daughter Juli and family friend Silvina Pelosso. Stayner was carrying a paperback copy of ``Black Lightning'' in his backpack when he was questioned on July 22, the day after Armstrong's body was found, according to the court records. He was arrested two days later, at a nudist camp. The 1995 best seller by John Saul describes a series of killings in Seattle, with images of women being slashed with knives and power saws. Agents also searched Stayner's vehicle and his room at the Cedar Lodge where he lived and worked, but their findings have not been made public. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THAT'S WHAT CHRISTIANS DO NOW - By Donald E. Wildmon · AFA President
-Caveat Lector- This is a joke right? MAG wrote: Subj: Commentary: "That's What Christians Do Now" Date: 8/10/99 6:40:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Buddy Smith) American Family Association AFA ACTION ALERT 8/10/99 Dr. Donald E. Wildmon, President Tim Wildmon, Vice President P.O. Drawer 2440 Tupelo, Mississippi 38803 Telephone 601/844-5036 URL's http://www.afa.net + Visit our Website - www.afa.net - read about the protest at a Disney "Hometown Parade" over the weekend in Pocatello, Idaho. + THAT'S WHAT CHRISTIANS DO NOW - By Donald E. Wildmon · AFA President View the online version: http://www.afa.net/afajournal/1999/august/pres.htm In 1973 The Supreme Court said it was ok to kill unborn babies. Since then, we have killed more than the entire population of Canada. And it continues. A woman's choice? Half of those who have died in their mothers' wombs have been women. They didn't have a choice. It is called abortion. Me? I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now. First, it was in dingy, dirty theaters. Then, convenience stores. Then, grocery stores. Then on television. Now it is in the homes of millions via the Internet. It is called pornography. Me, I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now. They call it no-fault. Why should we blame anyone when something so tragic happens. Haven't they already suffered enough? Half of the marriages in America end this way. The children suffered. The family broke down. It is called divorce. Me, I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now. At one time it was a perversion. We kept it secret. We secured help and hope for those who practiced it. Now it is praised. We have parades celebrating it, and elected officials give it their blessing. Now it is endowed with special privileges and protected by special laws. Even some Christian leaders and denominations praise it. It is called homosexuality. Me? I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now. It used to be an embarrassment. A shame. Now a third of all births are to mothers who aren't married. Two-thirds of all African-American children are born into a home without a father. The state usually pays the tab. That is why we pay our taxes, so that government can take the place of parents. After all, government bureaucrats know much better how to raise children than parents do. It is called illegitimacy. Me? I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now. At one time it was wrong. But then the state decided to legalize it, promote it and tax it. It has ripped apart families and destroyed lives. But just look at all the money the state has raised. No longer do we have to teach our children to study and work hard. Now we teach them they can get something for nothing. We spend millions encouraging people to join the fun and excitement. Just look at the big sums that people are winning. They will never have to work again! It is called gambling. Me? I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now. Not long ago, Christians were the good guys. But now any positive image of Christians in movies or on TV is gone. We are now depicted as the bad guys - greedy, narrow-minded hypocrites. The teacher can't have a Bible on her desk, but can have Playboy. We don't have Christmas and Easter holidays - just winter and spring break. We can't pray in school, but can use foul language. It's called being tolerant. Me? I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now. Yes, all these things came to pass within 30 years. Where were the Christians? Why, they were in church. All these things are for someone else to deal with. Times have changed. Involvement has been replaced with apathy. But don't blame me. I didn't do anything. I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now. SOME OF MY FAVORITE QUOTES The Two Great Commandments -- Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. -- Matthew 22:36 - 40 The Golden Rule -- Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12 The Apostles' Creed. -- I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord; who was conceived by the
Re: [CTRL] THAT'S WHAT CHRISTIANS DO NOW - By Donald E. Wildmon · AFA President
-Caveat Lector- This is a joke right? MAG wrote: Subj: Commentary: "That's What Christians Do Now" Date: 8/10/99 6:40:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Buddy Smith) American Family Association AFA ACTION ALERT DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: [prj] Stop Aid to Israel-$3 billion per year in official grants [The Spotlight]
-Caveat Lector- "For we battle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Eph. 6:12 Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 9:23 AM To: Bard Subject: Re: [prj] Stop Aid to Israel-$3 billion per year in official grants [The Spotlight] Not only should we not give the backstabbing jewish state another cent, but no other country should recieve money from us..PERIOD DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990812a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No HARMs were employed to produce of this bulletin. But SAMs were used. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # ROBERTSON SAYS ASSASSINATIONS PREFERABLE TO CURRENT FOREIGN POLICY. (AP) Christian Coalition President Pat Robertson said assassinating rogue world leaders would be more practical than a US policy that bans such killings. Robertson made his comments on the "700 Club," a nationally syndicated TV show on his Christian Broadcasting Network. Idea sounds "Machiavellian and evil," he says: http://cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/08/11/robertson.ap : Does your belief system promote assassination? Who would you like to kill? Would you mind being assassinated for doctrinal/ideological reasons? Would Robertson mind being assassinated by a Shi'ite, a Methodist, a Subgenius?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Evolution demoted in Kansas. TOPEKA (AP) - Following months of debate, the Kansas Board of Education approved a set of education standards that makes no reference to evolution, a theory that living things evolved from ear- lier species. Tho the proposed standards never mentioned it, creationism - the belief that a higher power created the universe - became part of the debate. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560671676-0fa And: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990812/00/science-science-evolution http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_417000/417996.stm : Were you created, evolved, hatched, planted? Would you rather evolve into something better, or be made just as you are with no chance of improvement? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Virtual natural selection. (BBC) Scientists have built a virtual world inside a computer and filled it with "digital bugs" to test theories in evolutionary biology. And creationist strategies continue to evolve. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_418000/418629.stm : Are your theories testable? Do you require testing? Is validation irrelev- ant? Are your thoughts evolving? Is time proceeding? Are you left behind?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # JEHOVAH SMITES MORMONS - SALT LAKE CITY ASSESSES TORNADO DAMAGE: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/9908/11/salt.lake.tornado.05/index.html http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560674364-b7d http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560671827-c00 http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/tornado990812.html # Unusual Weather Causes Utah Twister. (ABC) A jet of cold air above Utah spawned Wednesday's deadly tornado that touched down in Salt Lake City. Only one or two tornadoes are seen in Utah a year, and no one had killed by a tornado there since at least 1950. Secret military tests caused it: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/tornadocause990811.html : Have you spawned any tornadoes lately? Is it fun? Do your weather control experiments regularly ravage countrysides? Are you refining your technique? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Researcher makes cheaper fuel cell. (AP) A researcher says he has made an experimental fuel cell that is simpler than others as it runs on natural gas instead of pure hydrogen. If it can be repeated on a large scale, the finding would make it cheaper to produce a type of fuel cell that may one day be common as a low-pollution power source for buildings. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560670524-48e : Do Grays use cheap low-pollution fuel cells to power their UFOs? Is this another Roswell spinoff technology? Are crop circles alien fuel cell plans? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Old Japanese army tests A-bomb in sea off Korea. Pyongyang (KCNA) A Tokyo publication, Shimbun, on August 6 disclosed that the old Japanese army tested an A-bomb in the sea off Hungnam on the east coast of Korea just before the end of World War II. http://www.kcna.co.jp/contents/08.htm#4 : Have you ever built/tested a nuke? Was it difficult, rewarding, dangerous, fun? Did aliens/CIA/Bilderbergers/Illuminati help you? Would ya do it again? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Aging Stars Gobble Nearby Planets. (Reuters) Like gluttons whose hunger increases with age, some older stars similar to our own sun gobble up giant planets and other celestial bodies orbiting nearby. Call Jenny Craig: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990812/12/science-space-gluttons : Are you a fat old star? Do you gobble up nearby bodies? Do the voices in your head make you do it? Are you out of control? Is it natural? Is it fun? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ EMP Gun: The Chupacabras of Infowar. (Time) Said to be capable of corrup- ting computer circuitry on corporate networks with ionizing radiation, microwaves or radio waves, the EMP gun strikes from afar even as secre- taries labor at their desks. The only sticking point is that
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #2
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990812b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No stars were eclipsed to produce of this bulletin. But some supernovaed. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Eclipse-O-Rama-Rooter: # Man Kills Wife, "Too Busy" Watching Eclipse. CAIRO (Reuters) An Egyptian man killed his wife after she refused to make him a cup of tea because she was too busy watching Wednesday's solar eclipse on television. Should be more subservient: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990812/08/odd-tea # Earth wonders at heaven's gift. (BBC) A total eclipse of the Sun turns day into night across Europe and Asia, prompting prayers, cheers and tears from millions of spectators. And they only happen on Earth: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_417000/417694.stm # Man Burned Trying To See Eclipse. BERLIN (Reuters) - A 24-year-old German was in hospital with severe burns Wednesday after he climbed a power pylon to get a good view of the solar eclipse and then touched the 20,000-volt electricity cable. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990811/14/odd-shock @ Edited video of the solar eclipse, as seen from Amasya, Turkey: http://www.space.com/media/eclipse991.mov and other e-images: http://www.space.com/images/h_eclipse_811_wg_03.gif http://www.space.com/images/h_eclipse_811_wg_02.gif # Eclipse spurs prayers, pizza. CAIRO, Egypt (AP) Earthquakes and an unsea- sonable hailstorm intensified solar eclipse unease in the Middle East. "Is this... the end of the world?" said Andreas Christou, who fled his home in Cyprus after a series of earthquakes jolted large parts of the Middle East early Wednesday. A woman was killed in Iran and 15 people were injured in other countries. In eastern Lebanon, an unseasonable hailstorm pelted the Bekaa Valley town of Baalbek Tues. night; residents blamed the impending eclipse. Muslim tradition holds that the Prophet Mohammed, the founder of Islam who lived more than 1,400 years ago, prayed for the duration of an eclipse. Millions emulated him Wednesday and attended special eclipse prayers in mosques from Algeria to Iran. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560669634-922 # Also: Eclipse causes economic slowdown, see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560669520-871 # Eclipse Leaves Some Ruing Two Reckless Minutes. ISFAHAN, Iran (Reuters) The last total solar eclipse of the 20th century swept across Europe to the Middle East and India Wednesday, giving millions of people a look at one of nature's most spectacular shows. Unless they were too busy. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990812/09/science-eclipse-leadall : Do you have a good personal eclipse story? Did the eclipse injure/kill ya? Did your eyes burn out? Did you pray? Are you planning for future eclipses? Did you make/sell/eat any eclipse pizzas? Did you join an orgy? Was it fun? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Missed The Eclipse? Look Up. Meteors Are Coming. WASHINGTON (Reuters) If you missed the solar eclipse Wednesday, take heart: another celestial show is almost literally on the horizon. And all you need to watch it is a lawn chair and a patch of dark sky to look at. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990812/00/science-space-meteors # Catch a Shooting Star# (ABC) Not quite as dramatic as a solar eclipse, this week's Perseid meteor showers are nonetheless a pretty sight. Here's when and where to look for the white streaks across the night sky. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/perseids990811.html # Meteors to shower Earth. (BBC) The annual Perseid meteor shower on Thursday should be particularly good this year. Get a bucket: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_416000/416163.stm @ Thoughts about the eclipse and the Perseids: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/MichaelGuillen/Michael_Guillen.html : Do you prefer meteors or eclipses? Are supernovae better than black holes? Who engineers astronomical events? Who markets them? Where's the most gain? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: # FBI helped Bono quit Scientology: http://msnbc.com/news/290781.asp # Kentucky school displays 10 Commandments - nobody notices: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560675738-c34 # BOY SCOUTS ISSUE 'DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL' POLICY TOWARD GAYS: http://cnn.com/US/9908/11/gay.scouts.ap/index.html @ THAT'S WHAT CHRISTIANS DO NOW - sacred anti-Semitism: http://www.afa.net/afajournal/1999/august/pres.htm # Internet Sales of 'Mein Kampf' Probed - banned in Germany: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560672769-5be @ DID MAN ACTUALLY SET FOOT ON THE MOON? http://www.houddini.com/Moonhoax @ ILLUMINATI NEWS: http://www.islandnet.com/~persewen/illum_index.htm @ Liars And Whores Of The Press - Sherman Skolnick Sounds Off:
[CTRL] Every child shall be registered immediately after birth and shall have a name.
-Caveat Lector- http://www.networkusa.org/fingerprint/page1/fp-gatt-ssn-requirements.html === "Fight the Fingerprint" Action Items as reported in the "Scan This News" Email Newsletter Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === SCAN THIS NEWS 06/31/98 Recently, questions have arisen as to whether either GATT or possibly NAFTA included language necessitating that every child must be numbered at birth under a member country's "social security" numbering program. At least two existing treaties mention requirements for both "social security" and "registering" of children at birth. For example, there is a "right to social security" alleged within the United Nations' "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" wherein Article 22 provides that: "Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security..." And, the "International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights" requires that every child shall be "registered at birth." Article 24 states: "2. Every child shall be registered immediately after birth and shall have a name." However, after a great deal of searching, no specific reference to "numbering at birth" was found within the language of either GATT or NAFTA. So where did these "rumors" originate? GATT and the World Trade Organization (WTO) In 1994, the United States entered into the agreement known as the World Trade Agreement (WTA). The WTA established the World Trade Organization (WTO), and it also integrally incorporated the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT). The primary purpose of the WTA/GATT round of agreements is to provide "trade breaks and incentives" to "under-developed countries" so as to give them and their respective industry "equal footing" in the global market. In 1994, in compliance with WTA/GATT requirements, the 103rd United States Congress enacted the "GATT-implementing legislation" referred to as the "Uruguay Round Agreements Act." The purpose of this Act was to jointly adopt and implement both the WTA and GATT. The United States' implementing legislation specifically includes a "numbering at birth" program. During Senate floor debates, Senator Pete Domenici spoke in favor of adopting the GATT legislation. At the time, he was attempting to discharge many of the arguments which had been raised in opposition to GATT. At one point Senator Patrick Moynihan engaged Senator Domenici in an impromptu dialogue questioning whether the bill included a requirement for United States citizens to be "numbered at birth." Their exchange went as follows: Mr. DOMENICI: "A final question of special concern is that GATT requires that every United States citizen receive an identification number at birth, and that this matter is unrelated and irrelevant to matters of trade. The answer is that this requirement is included in the implementing language of GATT; it is not part of the GATT itself. This language was included in the implementing legislation because to ensure accurate assessments of income taxes, improper deductions on tax returns must be minimized. "Mr. MOYNIHAN: It is the Social Security number. "Mr. DOMENICI: The Social Security number, that is right. Senator Domenici went on to explain: "As a consequence, this section is designed to reduce tax cheating by people who claim children they do not have, which has the effect of reducing their taxes. This is important because it has a significant effect on the amount of tax revenue collected, which directly correlates with the overall net cost of the agreement to the U.S. Treasury. Therefore, the United States has decided that it is critical to maintain an accurate accounting of its taxable population." [From the Congressional Record, Senate - Page: S15274-S15275, 1994] Senator Domenici clearly stated that the GATT-implementing imposed a requirement for every United States citizen to be "numbered at birth," which was necessary to comply with GATT. The relevant provision in GATT - to which Senator Domenici alluded - concerns government-provided "subsidies" that may give any particular industry an "unfair advantage" on the global market. Within GATT, all government subsidies -- including tax breaks, incentives, exemptions, and credits -- must be closely regulated and monitored so that an accounting can be given to the WTO. The Trade Agreement also requires that each member country make available to every other country detailed records of all subsidies so that "equalization measures" can be instituted assuring under-developed countries a "level playing field" in the global market. If an under-developed member country complains and alleges to the WTO that it has been disadvantaged by another country because of government-provided subsidies, the challenged country must open up its books and records for examination by
Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1]
-Caveat Lector- "ric carter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # Y2K - Warner Bros Kills Big 'Y2K' Film Project - Gov't Pressure? Hollywood has killed the film Y2K, which should cause citizens to question how much they are permitted to know about the true state of the Year 2000 computer glitch. Warner Brothers canceled plans for its Y2K disaster flick partly because, as its producer said, there was a lack of faith in the ability of audiences to discern the difference between fictional and real-world computer disruptions. http://www.sightings.com/politics4/y2kbroskills.htm Or perhaps because they wanted to save the desired effect for other films down the line... The public does have a remarkable inability to tell the difference between docudrama, documentary, and mockumentary. "The Blair Witch Project" is a case in point, as is Oliver Stone's "JFK". A few years ago NBC aired a chilling TV-movie about nuclear terrorism which looked and felt like a realtime newscast; they had to run announcements every few minutes to remind people that this was not the real thing. The line between "physical reality" and "virtual reality" is becoming increasingly blurred. How long now before we have "apparitions" of Princess Diana floating on the clouds over Kosovo or Kashmir? Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kansas School Board Removes Evolution Theory as Standard (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:19:58 -0700 Science Standards Vote (AP) - The Kansas Board of Education has approved new standards for teaching science in public schools that critics say strips evolution from its accepted place at the center of biological studies. Republican Gov. Bill Graves called the board's action on Wednesday ``a terrible, tragic, embarrassing solution to a problem that didn't exist.'' The standards are general guidelines for local school boards, which may still decide to teach evolution. But many fear students won't be evaluated on evolution in state assessment tests. More... Also: The Kansas State Board of Education has minutes from the May 11, 1999 meeting in which the science standards issue was discussed. Brown University science professor and textbook author Ken Miller at the National Science Teachers Association convention in Boston, March 26. Miller is one of a number of science textbook authors who have launched a campaign in defense of evolution study in textbooks . - --- "Your silence will not protect you" --Audre Lorde DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Paranoia
-Caveat Lector- The new issue of Paranoia is out. Highly recommended.It is a great issue. Chockful of some very interesting articles. Crowley, Hubbard, et.al. and more. . . More later. Om k DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Soldier of Hate
-Caveat Lector- The Philadelphia Daily News, August 12, 1999 http://www.phillynews.com/daily_news/ TWISTED MISSION Supremacists seek victory in a 'racial holy war' by Myung Oak Kim and Barbara Laker Daily News Staff Writers He was a soldier of hate. In the van he drove from Washington state to Los Angeles earlier this week, Buford O'Neal Furrow Jr. kept large boxes of ammunition, an assault rifle, survival gear and a book that preaches hatred of Jews and minorities. Known as a racist by neighbors, Furrow, 37, had worked as a security guard for the Aryan Nations and had connections to another notoriously violent hate group called The Order. Last year, he reportedly told police he fantasized about killing people. When he surrendered to the FBI yesterday afternoon, Furrow told agents why he fired 70 rounds from his Uzi in the lobby of a Jewish Community Center in suburban Los Angeles, wounding five people, including three young children. The attack was "a wake-up call to America to kill Jews," he said. With those chilling words, Furrow revealed the frightening truth about his attack. It wasn't the random act of violence by a deranged man, but the latest example of white supremacists carrying out their mission. Furrow's rampage is yet another reminder that the hate movement is growing more destructive, more desperate and more willing to gun down its enemies: Jews, blacks and other minorities. "It is a racial holy war," said David Goldman, founder and director of the Web site Hatewatch.org that monitors hate groups. "They think they're carrying out a God-given directive," said Laurie Wood, a lead researcher at the Southern Poverty Law Project in Alabama, a group that monitors hate groups and hate crimes. "They think of God telling them to do this, so how they can lose." While membership in hate groups has not soared in recent years, several violent attacks show that some members are willing to act on their hate. Over the July 4 weekend, white supremacist Benjamin Nathaniel Smith went on a three-day shooting rampage, killing a black basketball coach, a Korean graduate student, and injuring nine other minorities and Jews in Illinois and Indiana. Smith killed himself after a police chase. Smith was a member of the World Church of the Creator, one of the fastest growing hate groups in the country, led by law school graduate Matthew Hale. Two men in northern California who kept Hale's literature are the prime suspects in the murders of two gay men and the torching of three synagogues in Sacramento. And Columbine High School shooters Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris were fans, if not followers, of neo-Nazis. These hatemongers are not crazy, said hate crime experts. Furrow "was extremely rational in his choice," Goldman said. "He said, 'I'm going to take my van, drive down the highway to Los Angeles and kill Jews.' It's grotesque. It's repugnant. Is it crazy? No." "We should feel disturbed because it can happen anywhere," Goldman said. "What it calls upon is not to say that this person needs psychological help. What it calls upon is that it's our duty to organize and respond to this kind of bigotry." By gaining the national spotlight with his attack at the Jewish center, Furrow became a hero in the white supremacy movement, much like Timothy McVeigh when he blew up a government building in Oklahoma City in 1995, killing 168 people. "The high-profile hate crime is here to stay for at least awhile," Goldman said. "We will see more of this and we'll ask the same questions." Today's white supremacy movement is not significantly larger in terms of membership or number of hate crimes. The hundreds of hate groups across the country, many of which fight each other, have an estimated membership of 12,000 to 15,000, said Barry Morrison, director of the Philadelphia regional office of the Anti-Defamation League, a nonprofit group that monitors and works to combat hate crimes. But the hate movement is more destructive because of easier access to weapons, ability to make bombs and unlimited communication through the Internet, Morrison said. The movement is also more sophisticated because it is attracting people with high levels of education, he said. The hate movement is partly a backlash against the country's growing racial and ethnic diversity and tolerance toward minority groups, and another reflection of the violence in today's society, Morrison said. To protect their groups from investigation, hate group leaders encourage members to commit acts of violence on their own, said Ken Jacobson, assistant national director of the ADL. Many of the groups have similar ideology, and overlapping of members. Furrow was connected to the Aryan Nations, The Order and the Phineas Priesthood. In his van, police found the book "War Cycles, Peace
[CTRL] 9 - 9 - 9 - 9
-Caveat Lector- I wonder what fuzzy-headed "New Agers" did to commemorate June 9, 1969. Australian Police See Risk Of Cult Mass Suicide By Diana Taylor BRISBANE (Reuters) - Police are monitoring a religious sect in the Australian state of Queensland amid rumors it is preparing a Jonestown-style mass suicide, a spokesman said Friday. Sect leader Debra Geileskey has written in a published diary that she had a vision revealing she would be dragged from a wooden two-story building, tied to a pile of sticks and set on fire by a priest on September 9. Friday, she denied that she had any plans to initiate violent deaths, saying her vision had been misinterpreted. Queensland police spokesman Brian Swift told Reuters: ``We are aware of the rumors and have put contingency plans in place in case there are any problems on that day.'' In 1978, Jim Jones, a U.S. pastor, led hundreds of his followers to their deaths at Jonestown, Guyana, by drinking a cyanide-laced fruit drink. Queensland Catholic priest Father John Ryan said police had sought permission to set up a command post in the church hall next door to the building used by the group in Helidon, near Brisbane. September 9 -- 9.9.99. -- has attracted both practical and religious cult attention worldwide, in part because of the implications for computers and the so-called Millennium bug. Four nines were used as a cut-off code in some older computer programs. Geileskey's sect, the Magnificat Meal Movement, broke away from the Catholic Church three years ago after she said she had received visions and prophecies from angels and the Virgin Mary. Its name refers to the Magnificat, a prayer attributed to the Virgin Mary, and to the symbolic meal of the Eucharist. In her latest newsletter, published on her Web site, Geileskey compares herself to the French saint Joan of Arc, who was burned at the stake as a heretic in the 15th century and later canonized. ``She (Geileskey) has made public statements to the community that she would die on that day and that others would be martyred with her,'' said Michelle Stewart, director of the company Our Lady's Mount Pty Ltd, which owns the sect's headquarters building. Geileskey said she would be celebrating the September 8 festival of the birthday of the mother of Christ that week. ``The Catholic Church and others want to create as much fraud and lies about me as they can to discredit us and stop our work,'' Geileskey told Reuters. ``These rumors are absolutely not true.'' Catholic Bishop William Morris has urged churchgoers in an open letter to avoid the sect, which Geileskey said had branches in 73 countries and a following of five million people. Father Ryan said the sect in Helidon comprised about 50 families and was decreasing in numbers. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Is Hate on the Rise? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message --- Author: Grace, Julie Title: Is Hate on The Rise? Racist groups may not be growing, but they're finding deadlier recruits.(World Church of the Creator's connection to recent hate crimes)(Nation)(Brief Article) by Julie Grace and Timothy Roche COPYRIGHT 1999 Time Inc. All rights reserved. Before last week, it was hard to imagine Matthew Hale ever amounting to much. Hale, 27, runs a racist hate group he grandly named the World Church of the Creator. But even as one of the largest such organizations in the nation, WCOTC has at most a few thousand dues-paying $35-a-year members, many of whom were recruited on the Internet and have never so much as gathered in a beer hall. The group's headquarters is Hale's bedroom in his dad's house in East Peoria, Ill. It measures members' success by the number of racist leaflets they can distribute in a month, which is absurd to those of us who trash anything left under windshield wipers. A law school graduate, Hale can't even practice his profession: a state bar panel said in December that his racism makes him morally unfit. Should we really fear people like this, guys twisted enough to make a religion of their race--and dorky enough to live with their parents? Unfortunately, last week the answer seemed to be yes. Benjamin Smith, a 21-year-old WCOTC sympathizer who had been so close to Hale he moved to Peoria to be near him, recently became convinced that the group's goal of white victory in the coming racial holy war couldn't be achieved through propaganda alone. Setting off July 2 from the Chicago suburbs where he was raised, Smith shot 11 Asian Americans, blacks and Jews, killing two, before committing suicide July 4 in southern Illinois. To be sure, organized hate groups have not achieved great financial or political power; in fact, the old Aryan Nation-style groups are struggling. But authorities believe violence motivated by hate is increasing, in part because hate groups now wield powerful new tools, including the Internet and the arts of media management, to attract a different breed of racist. More college kids and suburban residents have joined, and WCOTC is even making direct appeals to women. Also drawn to the fiery words are loners who feel profoundly disaffected by societal change, young men who are already on the edge of violence. The blow-dried Hale doesn't like to discuss these violence-prone members. He insisted last week that Smith didn't represent WCOTC. "We don't condone these actions," he told TIME. But neither would he condemn the murders. Instead, WCOTC staged a live Internet chat to keep up last week's publicity. Lawyers for antihate groups are considering lawsuits against WCOTC on behalf of Smith's victims, one of whom filed his own suit on Friday. The broader suits would probably charge that Hale and his group's rhetoric were responsible for Smith's shooting spree. Proving anything will be difficult, but antihate lawyers hope such a lawsuit might bankrupt the group. In 1994 the Southern Poverty Law Center won a $1 million fine against the WCOTC's previous incarnation--called simply the Church of the Creator, a group founded by a former Florida legislator--because of its ties to violence. In the '90s alone, at least 10 of its members pleaded guilty to or were convicted of racially motivated crimes. Before Hale revived the group in 1996, it was nearly dead and gone because of faltering leadership and the successful lawsuit. Even today, WCOTC's websites contain plenty of incendiary language. One of its "16 Commandments" is to "destroy and banish all Jewish thought and influence." Hale has written of the need for a "total solution to the ills of this planet," echoing Hitler's call for a "final solution." That's just the sort of nonsense that could provoke a troubled loser looking for someone to blame for his plight. "The sophisticated bigots know they're not going to have a mass movement," says Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, an antihate group in Los Angeles. "But with the help of the Internet they can recruit individuals who are prepared to act out." --Reported by Julie Grace and Timothy Roche/Chicago and Elaine Shannon/Washington DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
[CTRL] Coke Time
-Caveat Lector- Study Probes Biological Clock Genes WASHINGTON (AP) - Genes that control the biological clock of fruit flies also affect whether those flies become addicted to cocaine, says a surprising new study that suggests these internal clocks - humans have them, too - might have still other undiscovered roles in the body. It's unclear what the cocaine discovery might mean for human drug addiction, although scientists have used fruit flies as potential models to study the biology behind drug abuse. The hope is that the insect studies ultimately will point the way toward better drug treatments. University of Virginia researchers studied the ``sensitization'' of fruit flies to cocaine, giving repeated doses to produce increasingly severe responses - in flies, problems with flying. The researchers report Friday in the journal Science that genes that control fruit flies' internal circadian rhythms also determined whether they become sensitized to cocaine. They found that normal fruit flies do become sensitized, but flies that lacked any of four genes that play a role in the flies' biological clocks did not become sensitized, despite repeated cocaine dosings. Those genes may regulate an enzyme that appears important in determining whether cocaine sensitization occurs, the researchers said. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Critical Surfing: Holocaust denial and credibility (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:20:00 -0500 College Teaching Spring 1999, v.47, 2, 44 Author: Borrowman, Shane Title: Critical Surfing: Holocaust denial and credibility on the Web. by Shane Borrowman COPYRIGHT 1999 Helen Dwight Reid Educational Foundation Holocaust Denial and Credibility on the Web When my first-year composition students are not writing on gun control, euthanasia, or abortion, they often gravitate toward the newest cliched political issue: censorship of the Internet. Generally, their arguments focus on an old issue, pornography, in a new medium. The issue of porn versus art isn't new for either teachers or students, of course. But the Web has brought another, somewhat-related issue further into the public sphere than did either television or the print medium. Hate speech in general--and Holocaust denial in particular--is reaching far larger audiences on the Web than it was ever able to do in the past. (Holocaust denial, as I am using the term here, refers to the body of pseudorevisionism that argues that the accepted history of Nazi persecution of Jews, homosexuals, and others, is a fiction.) This wide availability makes Holocaust denial a very appropriate topic for students in a college composition class, where many, often most, blindly surf the Internet as their only form of research. Such a topic allows for discussions of the First Amendment and its limits (or lack thereof), the warped world of bigotry and racial intolerance, source credibility, and the construction of ethos. Revisiting the Perils of Television When I approach such controversial topics in my classroom, I begin by drawing some parallels between television and the Internet. It is important for students--and teachers--to know that the current debates about the Internet are very similar to those of forty years ago about television. Reduced to simple binaries, as debates often are, the questions about television were 1. Will television bring families together to bask in its warm glow or will it tear them apart? 2. Will television educate children or will it make them incapable of sustained, linear thought? 3. Will television educate kids? Or will it blind them and deform their teeth and jaws as they rest their chins on their palms for hours on end, as one orthodontist suggested in an issue of TV Guide from 1953? (Spigel 1-10) Ultimately, the debate is the same reductive question we still ask today: Is television a good thing or a bad thing? The questions about the Internet are very similar to those over television: 1. Will the Internet bring us together as a global village or further isolate us in a world where everyone reads an online newspaper, customized to his or her interests, and exchanges e-mail with people who are never met face-to-face? 2. Will the Internet educate children or make their thinking shallow? 3. Will the Internet educate or simply entertain children while it ruins their eyes? Again, the debate seems to boil down to the question, Is the Internet a good or a bad thing? I have found that if I discuss this comparison between television and the Internet early in the term, we can begin to break students out of the black-and-white thinking that often dominates their view of the world. By exposing the shade of gray between the extremes of good and bad, right and wrong, students can be pushed to ask--and answer--much more complicated questions. For the Internet, as with television, the question of good versus bad may be largely irrelevant. Television has gone from being in only a small fraction of American homes in 1950 (Spigel 1) to being in 98 percent of homes in 1998. In 1990, fewer than 5 percent of Americans were connected to the Internet; in 1998 it is estimated that 20 percent (or more) of Americans have Internet access. Like television, the Internet seems to be here to stay--regardless of any debate over its innate goodness or inherent villainy. When it comes to hate speech--including Holocaust denial--however, the two media are very different--which often surprises students because television has become so normalized for most of them that it functions almost entirely on a subconscious level. Television is a market-driven medium. It entertains to attract viewers who can then be shown commercials; therefore, television must appeal to the largest possible audience to be profitable. In this situation, Holocaust denial has little place. As Neil Postman writes in Amusing Ourselves to Death, "For television--bless its heart--is not congenial to messages of naked hate. For one thing, you never know who is watching, so it is best not to be wildly offensive" (116). Thus, people who would deny the reality of the Holocaust are only regularly allowed access to one type of television programming, the talk show,
[CTRL] moral decay (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Citation: USA Today (Magazine) Nov 1996, v125, n2618, p64(2) Author: Hyatt, Ralph Title: America is being plagued by an invasion of "crazies." (militias and moral decay in the U.S.) by Ralph Hyatt COPYRIGHT 1996 Society for the Advancement of Education While staring nightly at the 11 o'clock news, have you ever found yourself toying with the thought that Americans are going berserk? The relentless parade of shootings, rapes, robbenes, muggings, and carjackings dig into your soul and eventually nourish a gnawing cynicism. What about those odd-ball militias cropping up all over the place? This epidemic of terror is downright scary. The "Crazies Are Coming]" could very well have been a terrifying Alfred Hitchcock thriller were he alive today. Take the Montana Freemen. Are they merely an updated example of the timelessness of the constitutional amendments created by America's wise post-revolutionary leaders? The basic intent of the Second Amendment, after all, was that each of us--alone or in groups--should not be deterred from bearing arms for his or her own defense. Surely, few would negate the concept that those who govern never must breach the privacy of citizens by commanding soldiers or the Nation all Guard to search their homes. Yet, does that apply to the renegade racist, anti-government Freemen and similar loonies? Between the salaries of FBI agents and other expenses, it was costing the nation about $30,000 a day to contain the cast of 17 characters peacefully on their Montana compound. Then there are the Arizona Vipers, a group of 12 so full of rage they dreamed about the demolition of seven government buildings, with each explosion making the bombings of the World Trade Center and Oklahoma City appear like kids' games. Fired up by their obsessions, they lustily used their guns--many which were fully automatic and unregulated--for frequent target practice and military maneuvers. They made and learned how to denonate extremely powerful explosives. Combine guns and explosives with paranoid tendencies and you've got big-time danger. Vipers despise the government and insist that an international conspiracy exists to control America. "One World Order" they call it, a motto used by Pres. George Bush during the Persian Gulf war. Forget due process; the ballot box is a joke, the Feds are criminals; get them before they get us--these are their slogans. The belief in their version of the Constitution is so strong, they require new members to take an oath that they will enter into combat against all enemies--essentially, anyone who differs with them. The militia problem never can be too small to be taken seriously. It is estimated that there currently are about 441 militias with 15,000 to 40,000 anti-government members spread across 40 states. This is not a small number when minds and goals are so destructive, and they are growing stronger. Right-wing militias, neo-Nazis, and others have found modem, cheap, easily accessible technologies for spreading their malignant invectives, including the fax, modem, and Internet. There now are more than 100 outright racist Web pages, according to Rick Eaton, senior researcher at the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Their message, theoretically, gets out to hundreds of thousands or millions of people ... and they're in touch with each other instantly," adds Mark Weitzman, director of the Wiesenthal Center's Task Force Against Hate. Young, impressionable, restless kids easily can be fired up and recruited by the non-stop electronic promotion of contempt and disdain for those ideals and values most of us desire to live by. Moreover, there are a multitude of adults ready to gobble up communications of anger and fear since that plays so well with the hostile, negative emotions already residing in their bellies. A nonprofit group--The Southern Poverty Law Center, which studies militias closely--has identified 800 anti-government "patriot" organizations. Their diverse membership stems from all walks of life--tax protesters, neo-Nazis, radical anti-environmentalists, elk ranchers, real estate brokers, advocates of a more equitable distribution of power and wealth, and a host of others. A series of robberies beginning in 1992 causes of all kinds, and donations from a variety of other admiring sources help fill their coffers. The situation is worsening. Well-entrenched neo-Nazi groups are continuing to link up with the anti-government, self-proclaimed patriot organizations, according to a report sent to Attorney General Janet Reno by Morris Dees, the Southern Poverty Law Center director and author of Gathering Storm. All the publicity about the militia groups has perked up the ears of those who are ready to listen and to act--of which there are many. The copycat
[CTRL] Was Stopford poisoned? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Military suspects peacekeeper poisoned WebPosted Thu Aug 12 14:21:18 1999 TORONTO - The Canadian military has told a former soldier that he may have been poisoned by his own men when he served in Croatia six years ago, but the former warrant officer says it's a "smokescreen." Matt Stopford has come forward with a letter delivered to him by the armed forces' provost marshal which alleges that soldiers in Stopford's platoon may have put small amounts of naphtha gas into Stopford's coffee on a regular basis. Stopford says he was also told that battery acid was probably put in his food. Stopford is at the centre of a Department of National Defence investigation into whether he and other soldiers were exposed to potentially toxic PCBs and bauxite while serving as peacekeepers in Croatia. He says the allegations are ludicrous and offensive to the soldiers who served in his unit. In a press conference Thursday he said he decided to make the letter public because he felt the DND wasn't conducting the investigation properly. Stopford says if the officials truly believe he may have been poisoned then the RCMP should be called to investigate. He wants police to investigate the allegations made in the letter. As the DND investigation continues Canada's Chief of Defence has ordered medical exams for all soldiers who served in the Balkans this decade. Stopford welcomes that news as "the first good thing I've heard come out of (this investigation)." In the past few weeks there have been continuing reports about Canadian peacekeepers serving in Croatia, who became ill, and how their concerns about possible exposure to toxic chemicals and demands for compensation were ignored by the military. Recently a military doctor who served in Bosnia has also come forward with his own tale of sickness and inaction by the military. Thirty-eight-year-old Rezah Mehran suspects his bouts of leukemia and bone cancer are linked to his tour of duty in Bosnia in 1996. " When I went there I was healthy. Two months into the tour I was deathly ill. I believe that I may have been exposed to chemical weapons," he says. Mehran says he has spoken to five other peacekeepers who served in Bosnia who are also ill. Stopford says he has a list of 56 soldiers who are suffering from illnesses similar to his own. Mehran wants the inquiry now examining problems with peacekeepers in Croatia to be widened to include Bosnia. He says if the military is to regain the confidence of its soldiers it must prove that it's willing to look after its troops both in theatre and if they become ill. -- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Aryan Nations in Canada (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message - Citation: Maclean's May 8 1995, v108, n19, p39(1) Author: Wood, Chris Title: 'Aryan of the year:' a white supremacist campaigns in British Columbia.(Charles Scott)(Cover Story) by Chris Wood COPYRIGHT Maclean Hunter (Canada) 1995 Charles Scott, "colonel" of the white-supremacist Aryan Nations and "pastor" of its racist offshoot, the Christian Identity Church of Christ in Israel, is 29. He is of average height, and when he is not laughing, which he does frequently, his blue eyes hide behind half-drawn lids. He wears loose sport tops that conceal a large spare tire. He recently became a father for the second time: on Easter Sunday, his wife, Leanne, 30, bore a son, Seth, a brother for daughter Kaelee, who will be 3 next month. Last week, Kaelee's green tricycle lay on its side in the cluttered dog run next to the family's rented house in Chilliwack, B.C., while her father talked to a reporter out in the unmown yard. Seated on a weathered lawn chair, Charles Scott expounded a doctrine that he insisted was not simply one of hatred. It was sometimes difficult to see the distinction. "Absolutely, Jews are evil," he said earnestly at one point, squinting into the warm April sun. "They are the literal line of Satan on Earth." Whatever it is that Scott is purveying, it is easy to believe him when he says that his parents, a lifetime federal civil servant and a child psychologist, "don't support my views whatsoever." Born in Fort Saskatchewan, Alta., Scott had established himself in Edmonton by the age of 20, working as a private investigator, snooping on other people's failed marriages. In 1992, he and Leanne moved to Hayden Lake, Idaho, to study the bizarre white-supremacy theology of Aryan Nations leader Richard Butler. Scott returned to Canada a year later, moving his young family to the lower B.C. mainland. There, he has had trouble keeping the occasional jobs he has found as an agricultural laborer and jujitsu teacher, a problem he blames on reaction to his views. He is now unemployed. But not idle. Since returning to Canada, Scott has worked to spread the virulent mixture of biblical prophecy, militant racism and subversion that he absorbed in Idaho. He is Canadian director of the Posse Comitatus, an anti-government paramilitary movement founded in Oregon in 1969. He is also Canadian director--with the rank of colonel--of Aryan Nations, and Butler has ordained him as a pastor of its church. In Aryan Nations, he has connected himself with what Linda Tindal of the Montgomery, Ala.-based watchdog agency Klanwatch calls "one of the fastest-growing groups that we monitor. It is a major player in hate." And Scott is a major player in Aryan Nations: at its congress in July he is to be proclaimed "Aryan of the Year." One man who has Scott's admiration is Militia of Montana leader John Trochmann, who claims that a proposed international park straddling the border between British Columbia and Washington state is a cover for a UN effort to control the world. "It's being used for a number of different things," says Trochmann. "The transfer of foreign troops and equipment is definitely one of them. Electromagnetic weather control is definitely another one of them." Says Scott of Trochmann: "I think he's a great guy. I have a lot of respect for him." In person, Scott rails against Jews, homosexuals, the United Nations and "those sons of Lucifer in Ottawa." Last week, the message on a telephone hotline that he maintains began with a gloating declaration blaming the Oklahama City bombing on the U.S. federal government: "The beast has inflicted a wound upon itself in the heartland of America." Scott claims to be making gains in a region of Canada where the Bible, guns and right-wing politics frequently go hand-in-hand. The Chilliwack area is home as well to a thriving branch of the seven-year-old Christian Heritage Party of Canada, which disavows racism but places biblical law above that of Parliament. In recent months, the towns around Chilliwack also have been the scene of several angry public meetings to denounce proposed new federal gun-registration requirements. Amid what he says is fertile soil for recruitment, Scott asserts: "I have a congregation. I have trained militias here in Canada." Active supporters, he says, number "30 Christians and 20 non-Christians." But Scott's claim is disputable. A source within the RCMP confirmed to Maclean's last week that Scott "is being monitored," but added that "so far he hasn't done anything criminal." The RCMP also puts the number of his disciples closer to six than 50. Scott himself, meanwhile, cited reasons of "security" for refusing to allow a Maclean's reporter to confirm his claims of support by attending one of the periodic training sessions that he says he holds
[CTRL] Saipan lawsuit: four companies settle (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message --- - On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Campaign for Labor Rights wrote: Labor Alerts: a free service of Campaign for Labor Rights To subscribe or unsubscribe, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Web site: www.summersault.com/~agj/clr Phone: (541) 344-5410 Fax: (541) 431-0523 Membership/newsletter: Send $35.00 to Campaign for Labor Rights, 1247 "E" Street SE, Washington, DC 20003. Sample newsletter available on request. SAIPAN: FOUR COMPANIES SETTLE posted August 10, 1999 [The following press statement was released on August 9 by Global Exchange: (415) 255-7296, [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Note by Campaign for Labor Rights: The agreement announced by Global Exchange provides for Verite to monitor four companies' operations on Saipan. Monitoring by organizations such as Verite is a hotly debated issue in the anti-sweatshop movement. The settlement with these four companies regarding their production on Saipan will provide a new case study of the usefulness of this model of monitoring.] Retailers Agree to Settlement with Independent Monitoring System of Factory Conditions Focus Now Turns to GAP, JC Penney, Sears and Other Companies Still Making "Made in the USA" Garments in Saipan Sweatshops In four settlements announced today, Nordstrom, Cutter Buck, J. Crew and Gymboree became the first retailers to settle claims in a federal class action lawsuit contesting sweatshop conditions in garment factories on the Pacific Island of Saipan, in the US Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands. A related California state court case in San Francisco will also be settled. The groundbreaking settlement represents the first time a group of U.S. retailers has agreed to create a joint independent monitoring system of its contractors. The monitoring will insure compliance with US labor laws and international treaties established to protect human rights. The settlement also prohibits the use of "recruitment fees" in Saipan factories making apparel for U.S. retailers, the subject of sharp criticism in the past. "This settlement is a human rights victory for the workers - mostly young women - who make the clothes we wear," said Medea Benjamin, Director of Global Exchange's Corporate Accountability Campaign. Global Exchange, a San Francisco-based human rights organization, has helped lead the fight against sweatshops and is one of the plaintiffs in two related lawsuits filed in California State courts against the retailers. "The spotlight is now on the Gap, Tommy Hilfiger, Wal-Mart and others that insist on business as usual. Where's their conscience? These companies should take immediate steps to ensure that human rights abuses in Saipan factories are halted now." The settlement establishes a $1.25 million fund that will finance the independent monitoring program, provide partial damages to the workers, and create a public education campaign aimed at broadening consumer awareness of the continuing sweatshop problem. The settlement also establishes detailed and strict employment standards for the Saipan-based contractors with whom the settling companies do business such as Global Manufacturing Inc., Diovra Saipan, Ltd., Concord Garment Manufacturing Corp., Jin Apparel, Inc., among others. The new standards include the payment of overtime, providing safe food and drinking water, and guaranteeing employees basic civil rights. An Amherst, Massachusetts-based non-profit firm, Verite, will monitor compliance with the standards outlined in the settlement, including establishing an "ombudsman" on Saipan. The settlement gives Verite far-reaching powers to oversee the conduct of contractors working for Nordstrom, Cutter Buck, J. Crew and Gymboree. This oversight will include surveillance, announced and unannounced visits to facilities and investigations of worker complaints. Verite is also empowered to remedy violations of these standards by, among other things, forcing the payment of back wages and terminating contracts where a pattern and practice of such violations exists. "Reaching this settlement required both courage and leadership on the part of these companies," said Lora Jo Foo, president of the Oakland-based Sweatshop Watch. "Today these retailers send a clear signal to every garment manufacturer in Saipan: 'Clean up your act or you won't work for U.S. retailers.'" -- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being
[CTRL] (Fwd) Clinton Defense Fund Update
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: 12 Aug 99 1526 PST From: FECInfo - Public Disclosure, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Clinton Defense Fund Update Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** FECInfo - Public Disclosure, Inc www.tray.com *** The latest release ( 8/12/99 2:30 pm) of donor names to the Clinton Defense Fund have been updated at www.tray.com/fecinfo/cdf/. The additional $2,397,409 in contributions collected between 1/1/99 and 6/30/99 have been added to FECInfo's Clinton Defense Fund database going back to 2/17/98. Search your state to see who contributed. See the most frequent occupation listed for donors. Tony Raymond Kent Cooper AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." --Buddha + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." --- Ernest Hemingway + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Vincenzo Fosterini
-Caveat Lector- Memo on the MarginPicture: crm.gif (1694 bytes) August 12, 1999 Who is Vince Foster? Memo To: Robert Bartley, WSJ editor From: Jude Wanniski Re: Same Old Question The new book, Bill and Hillary: The Marriage, opens up that old question you posed in a lead editorial back in 1993 -- "Who is Vince Foster?" -- not long before his lifeless body was found in Fort Marcy Park, several miles from his desk at the White House. I always could appreciate the anger you felt when the spin-doctors at the White House came up with the story that Foster committed suicide in a depression brought on by the editorial. As you will recall, we had several conversations at that time in which I passed on comments to you that I had received from a friend with ties to the FBI about foul play and the possibility Foster was murdered. I still believe that no matter how he died, it did not happen at Fort Marcy. Whether he committed suicide and was taken there or bumped off and taken there, I dont know. But it was one or the other. The books revelations about a long-time love affair between Vince and Hillary is of course no surprise, as rumors were rampant back in 1993, and, in light of what we have since learned about the marriage, perfectly credible. The book, though, has stirred the pot again, which may reopen the potential for inquiries that will lead in new directions. Here is one comment from a friend that sounds right: Vince's firing of FBI Director Webster at Hillary's insistence on or about July 16 was without doubt the "trigger" for Vince's untimely demise -- which I suppose was suicide. But not at Fort Marcy. He lived in Georgetown with his sister, had only been in the DC area for 6 months and could not have even known that park was there. People who travel the GW parkway every day don't know it's there. It has a T-bone entrance, there are no off-ramps or on-ramps. I suppose Vince committed suicide in the WH parking lot, just as the Arkansas State troopers at the Governor's Manse -- where Hillary was when they found her to tell her about Vince -- were originally informed. And the National Park Service -- the custodians of the White House -- moved his vehicle and body to the nearest place under their control where it wouldn't be found for quite a spell. The nearest such place under their control to the White House was Fort Marcy. It is an absolute miracle that his body was found so soon, being laid out way to hell at the back of the Park, off any foot path and on the slope down to the Potomac. Ordinarily the Park would have only been searched after a car had been found parked there overnight and it was found to have been his. If they had just found any old car there, they would have just put a ticket on it. And after a few weeks worth of tickets they might have checked. The friend is just a fellow who lives near Fort Marcy and knows it well, and immediately was suspicious about the accounts of the suicide. Hes read everything reported about the event, mulled it over many times, and has a working theory that Foster did commit suicide, for a reason that makes better sense than any other Ive heard: "The scenario is that Vince committed suicide because of the confrontation with FBI Director Webster with respect to his direct responsibility for the Waco Massacre. In the early months of the Clinton Administration, we now know that Hillary was Co-President and had 4-5 Cabinet Departments under her. One was Justice and she ran it through Vince in the White House and Webb Hubbell at the Department of Justice. She tried to run the FBI through Kennedy but Webster wouldn't take orders. At that point Reno still didn't know where the Ladies Room was. Acting on info supplied by FBI that the Davidian children were being abused, Hillary told Vince to fix it! Rescue those children! So Vince-Webb-Webster did and the kids were incinerated. This could have bothered Vince more than somewhat and he blamed himself. Hillary blamed Webster for Waco and the travel office firing debacle and insisted he be replaced with one of their people. Webster refused to go quietly and Vince had to personally fire him in a contentious meeting at Justice. Webster may even have threatened to spill the beans on Hillary-Vince. Webster fell and broke his elbow on the curb at Justice when exiting the meeting. Two or three days later Vince committed suicide." What do you think? It sounds plausible, especially when you throw in all the other stuff Vince may have known was coming down the pike... In case you missed it, here is the latest from the London Daily Telegraph. 7 August 1999 Hillary's Lover, the FBI and the Vital Questions By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard Hillary Clinton was warned. If she used her position as First Lady to launch a candidacy for the US Senate, she would forfeit her privileges and immunity. Suppressed stories would come to light.
Re: [CTRL] Aryan Nations in Canada (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip -- Forwarded message - Citation: Maclean's May 8 1995, v108, n19, p39(1) Author: Wood, Chris Title: 'Aryan of the year:' a white supremacist campaigns in British Columbia.(Charles Scott)(Cover Story) by Chris Wood COPYRIGHT Maclean Hunter (Canada) 1995 And Scott is a major player in Aryan Nations: at its congress in July he is to be proclaimed "Aryan of the Year." One man who has Scott's admiration is Militia of Montana leader John Trochmann, who claims that a proposed international park straddling the border between British Columbia and Washington state is a cover for a UN effort to control the world. "It's being used for a number of different things," says Trochmann. "The transfer of foreign troops and equipment is definitely one of them. Electromagnetic weather control is definitely another one of them." Says Scott of Trochmann: "I think he's a great guy. I have a lot of respect for him." This is an interesting juxtaposition. It does not state that John Trochmann supports Charles Scott, but implies this. It seems to me that the reporter is attempting to link the two in an attempt make John Trochmann out to be a racist. I don't know if he is or not. However, I am aware of at least one other report on Trochmann which mentioned his "Hitler mug" that he used. The implication, of course, being that this was an indication of his support for Hitler. What the reporter failed to mention was that the mug had a picture of Hitler with his arm raised and written below was: "All in favor of gun control raise your hands". Also, not mentioned was that the group that created this mug (and it is clearly stated on the mug) is the group known as: "Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership" (http://www.jpfo.org/). Do you really think that the reporter failed to examine this mug carefully or do you think that this was purposeful misdirection? Do you think that the above may be another example? Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] moral decay (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] moral decay (fwd) Date: Thu, Aug 12, 1999, 4:43 PM -Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Citation: USA Today (Magazine) Nov 1996, v125, n2618, p64(2) Author: Hyatt, Ralph Title: America is being plagued by an invasion of "crazies." (militias and moral decay in the U.S.) by Ralph Hyatt Read the following paragraph carefully. The writer is a master at propaganda. Notice how he mixes all groups together and seems to imply that all "patriot" organizations are militias and that they all are implicated in raising funds through "a series of robberies beginning in 1992". This may at first appear to be simply poor writing. However, I believe that it really very well written if one takes into consideration what the author is attempting to do. Incidently, are the members of this list also to be lumped in with the "Vipers"? A nonprofit group--The Southern Poverty Law Center, which studies militias closely--has identified 800 anti-government "patriot" organizations. Their diverse membership stems from all walks of life--tax protesters, neo-Nazis, radical anti-environmentalists, elk ranchers, real estate brokers, advocates of a more equitable distribution of power and wealth, and a host of others. A series of robberies beginning in 1992 causes of all kinds, and donations from a variety of other admiring sources help fill their coffers. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SECRET SCIENTIFIC DATA VIOLATES THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO KNOW
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/11/1999 5:04:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To ensure open access to publicly funded scientific data in the future, Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) inserted a provision into the Fiscal Year 1999 Omnibus Spending Bill making it available to the public. Now a move is afoot to repeal or delay the Shelby requirement. We all know Shelby and the NCPA. Anything to stop anything they like is a winner with me and mine. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New Executive Order On Federalism
-Caveat Lector- SIGHTINGS --- New Executive Order On Federalism - Latest Assault On The Constitution Comment By Brad Bernards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Amending the 10th Amendment -August 10, 1999- On August 5, President Clinton signed an Executive Order on Federalism, the division of power between Washington, D.C. and the States. The President claims Constitutional authority to turn our Constitution on it's head. This executive order, which I have read, seeks to guarantee the division of governmental responsibilities intended by the Framers of the Constitution. The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, part of the Bill of Rights, does not need to be clarified. I have quoted the Constitution before and I proudly do it again: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." That's the tenth amendment, and any attempt by President Clinton to improve on it will most certainly not be to the benefit of the states or the people. This is an outright attempt by the federal government to take from us power we have yet to claim but, nonetheless, is still ours under the Constitution. The Constitution enumerates the powers of the federal government - they are finite and limited intentionally. The President, through each and every agency, would like to impose federal rules and regulations absorbing powers that are, as of yet, unclaimed by the states. The previous attempt to steal away our power last year in Executive Order 13083 was met with much opposition after it was exposed. He had created the document without the input of those affected. It was later suspended, and now revoked as this EO replaces it. Amending the Constitution takes the congress and all 50 States but the President may do it, unnoticed, through an Executive Order The document is clever because it now has the input of many, although we don't know specifically who, and on the surface appears quite benign. The AP reports that state and local officials appear satisfied with the rewritten order. The language of this Executive Order is indeed deferential to the states. The document reads well until you discover that all the input gathered from state and local government, the consulting with state and local officials on developing standards and the opportunity for participation in rulemaking proceedings is just that much talk. I see nowhere in the document that any input be digested at all. Federal agencies will be able to do what they want provided they follow the prescribed method which is not much more than whoops to placate the intergovernmental organizations concerned. The federal government can and will put into force any rule they want with or without the approval of anyone. The White House's own press release says: "...the Order makes clear that federal action is appropriate in the presence of a problem of national scope or significance." This statement by itself admits that the Executive Branch can make anything their business and have an agency create federal rules to govern it. At a time when we need to pare back the federal government, they seem intent on grabbing any remaining power not nailed down by claim of the states or the people. The United States Constitution is a magnificent document and Clinton would do best to read it and follow it. Instead, he's going to fix it. He calls it strengthening the partnership. He says that the Federal government and State and local governments should work together as partners. He wants to be my partner and my State's partner for the simple reason that we have something that he wants - power. After all, he didn't sign an Executive Order promising to limit the reach of the federal government. This will make government bigger. It will compromise our individual rights to the powers reserved to us by the Constitution and will compromise the sovereignty of every state in this union. You have to remember who wrote this Executive Order. The word "is" appears 24 times. This is a man who will trick you with verb tenses. He has proven that he will make a statement that says the exact opposite of what he means. Now, he has made a statement that implies he is protecting the Constitution. It is the work of smarter people than me to take his words apart - to dissect the 7 pages of this order to see if it looks anything like the 28 words of the tenth amendment. We have 90 days from August fifth until this Order takes effect. It's going to be harder this time around to expose this Clinton Lie now that he has received input from those affected. So far, I have no hope the major media will jump on this without pressure. It's our power he wants, so it's our responsibility to stop him. http://www.sightings.com/politics4/assault.htm SIGHTINGS
[CTRL] Legacy of BC
-Caveat Lector- Bill Clinton's Legacy by Charles R. Kesler Thursday, August 12, 1999 Comments: 48 posts Picture Picture: This Issue's TOC Picture: IC Archives Picture: Sign Up to the IC Mailing List Picture: Related IC articles Whatever Happened to Impeachment? : Ron Elving identifies the dog that will not bark in campaign 2000. Clinton's Political Legacy II: The Plight of Al Gore : Is Gore vs. Bush really just a Clinton vs. Bush redux? Everett Ladd thinks so. Leaving the Left Behind : Wendy Kaminer laments Al Gore's substantive rush to the political middle. Conservatives Search for a Candidate : Charles Kesler identifies the right's three best hopes in 2000. Picture Picture Picture Search Picture: Previous ArticlePicture: Next ArticlePicturePictureClaire Booth Luce once observed that in the popular memory a president gets a single sentence: Lincoln freed the slaves, Truman dropped the atomic bomb, Ford pardoned Nixon. What will be Bill Clinton's sentence? Will he be remembered as the second president ever to be impeached? The chief of state who couldn't keep his zipper up? The former husband of Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)? It is too soon to tell for sure, of course, but the question must torment him, particularly as his term winds down and the chances of enhancing his legacy diminish. The Comeback Kid needs to pull off the ultimate comeback. But how can he redeem himself in the eyes of history? Judging from his earnest (and early) efforts to ensure that Vice President Al Gore will succeed him and that the Democrats will recapture the House of Representatives, Clinton seems to be betting that he can craft a positive legacy for himself by showing his party how to win big -- by remaking itself in his centrist image. Leading his people If the scheme works, Clinton would become the new Moses of the Democratic Party, leading his wayward people back to the center of American politics where they could become the majority party again. Although he could not enter the Promised Land himself, he could take credit for leading his followers out of the wilderness of the Reagan-Bush years and right up to the edge of that bridge he's built to the 21st century, which Gore and Dick Gephardt would then cross over in triumph. Picture: Just what will Clinton's legacy be? Just what will Clinton's legacy be? In 1992, he ran as a "New Democrat," calling for campaign finance reform, health-care reform, strong economic growth, and a middle-class tax cut. But he promptly lost his way. In short order, Clinton kowtowed toward his party's left wing in Congress, replaced the tax cut with a wildly unpopular middle-class tax increase, suffered the humiliating defeat of his (and Hillary's) health-care plan, and endured in 1994 the election of a Republican Congress for the first time in 40 years. The opposite of Democratic realignment seemed to have taken place. Adversity is a great teacher, however, and Clinton quickly returned to the "New Democrat" themes he had campaigned on in 1992. Newt Gingrich's unpopularity was a great ally, doubtless. Yet Clinton steadily and deliberately moved his presidency and his 1996 campaign back towards the center. He embraced a balanced budget, modest middle-class tax cuts, school uniforms, the v-chip, and even GOP-sponsored welfare reform. At the same time, he used his veto power to block Republicans' Medicare reforms and to maneuver the Congress into suffering the blame for two government shutdowns. After Clinton won re-election handily and the Republicans lost congressional seats in both 1996 and 1998, however, Clinton has been energized. Buoyed by Gingrich's decline and fall, and delighted by the sudden revival of center-left parties in Europe, Clinton is confident again that history is on his side. To prove it to others (and perhaps even to himself), he must now show that his victories were not the result of mere tactical adjustments -- "triangulation," as his consultant Dick Morris dubbed it, driven by desperate self-interest -- but that a principle was at work, justifying and harmonizing his many concessions. Accordingly, his political redemption depends on his persuading Democrats to rally around not Clinton but Clintonism. The big question is: Is there such a thing? The third way Clinton thinks so, and he talks about it more and more. He calls it "the Third Way." Students of his rhetoric may be forgiven for thinking that he means there is a right way, a wrong way and Bill Clinton's way, somehow not quite right, and yet not wrong or definitely illegal, either. Call it "inappropriate." No, by the Third Way he means a way beyond the "false choices" of old-style liberalism and conservatism; a pragmatic, open-ended synthesis of the best of left- and right-wing thought, in the service of three basic principles: "opportunity, responsibility, community." The unofficial custodian of
Re: [CTRL] SECRET SCIENTIFIC DATA VIOLATES THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO KNOW
-Caveat Lector- On 12 Aug 99, at 18:16, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: We all know Shelby and the NCPA. Anything to stop anything they like is a winner with me and mine. Prudy Very convenient. That way you never actually have to think through an issue. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] IS WORLD WAR III COMING?
-Original Message- From: Brian Lantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linda Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 4:33 PM Subject: World War over Kashmir, Dagestan? Linda, Attached is statement. -Brian LaRouche's Committee for a New Bretton Woods www.larouchecampaign.org For More Information For Immediate Release call Brian Lantz at August 12, 1999 713-541-2907 CAMPAIGN STATEMENT: IS WORLD WAR III COMING? By Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. [Lyndon LaRouche, economist and statesman, needs little introduction. He is a candidate for the Democratic Party's Y2000 presidential nomination. LaRouche is currently posted by the Federal Elections Commission as one of three major candidates vying for the Democratic Party nomination. LaRouche's campaign committee has passed the one million dollar fundraising mark, and is expected to file for federal matching funds shortly.] Among those who are paying attention to reality, one of the two big questions of the day is, "Is Nuclear World War III Now Inevitable?" My answer is, that I believe it is not inevitable; but, the danger is serious enough that serious people will ask themselves that question. The drive toward a nuclear world war comes from the British monarchy, as the policies of the current Prime Minister and 1931 Ramsay MacDonald look-alike Tony Blair typifies this impulse. However, although the British monarchy is by far the world's dominant financial power, and also the world's presently leading political power, the thrust for war depends upon that monarchy's ability to push the world's leading military power, the U.S.A., into adopting London's current geopolitical adventurism. It is from this standpoint, that we must understand the significance of madman Zbigniew Brzezinski's current policies, which are more or less identical to those of Brzezinski crony and U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. For maniacs such as Blair, Brzezinski, and Albright, the orchestration of the recent war against Yugoslavia was only the prelude to a nuclear confrontation with Russia, in Transcaucasia and Central Asia more widely. Blair, Brzezinski, Albright et al., are depending upon their belief that this drive toward a nuclear confrontation with Russia is a strategic bluff, to which they are confident that Russia will back down. London's attempt to orchestrate a nuclear attack on India, by London controlled assets in the Pakistan military, is part of the same post-Balkan-War thrust. There, in brief, lies the risk of an actual nuclear World War III. What these nuclear maniacs, such as Blair, Brzezinski, and Albright, assume, is that Russia could not win such a war. They have asked themselves the wrong question. Perhaps Russia has no hope of winning such a war; but, perhaps the U.S.A. has no hope of winning it, either. Even if the U.S.A. might appear to secure a victory in such a showdown, just as the famous King Pyrrhus defeated the Romans in one battle, perhaps the U.S.A. would not long outlive the end of such a military confrontation. Go back to 1905, where we may find a comparable case. Recall the discussions between the two cousins, Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany and Czar Nicholas of Russia, discussing the need to spoil their uncle's, King Edward VII's, clear intent to push them into war against one another. When the two cousins failed to prevent the British from manipulating them into war against one another, the result was that both lost the war, and the Czar lost more than that. The British monarchy's use of its assets in Turkey, to orchestrate a post-Balkans spread of warfare throughout Transcaucasia, and into Central Asia beyond that, has already erupted into open warfare in the north Caucusus, and threatens to pull fools in NATO into military deployments against Russia, in both Transcaucasia and in Central Asia. This would constitute a threat to the very continued existence of a Russia which is still a thermonuclear power. Russia's warfare capability would then go on alert status. When one presents a chosen adversary with an absolutely hopeless situation, that adversary may find itself impelled to strike back in absolute desperation. As every qualified military professional since Machiavelli knows, what NATO is implicitly threatening to do, creates precisely the kind of military situation, in which the unthinkable may become the inevitable. When the fires of hatred are stoked to the highest possible degree in the passions of
[CTRL] Hormone-Treated Beef Thought To Trigger Puberty Sooner
-Caveat Lector- http://www.sightings.com/health3/horm.htm SIGHTINGS Hormone-Treated Beef Thought To Trigger Puberty Sooner By Dennis Bueckert The Canadian Press 8-2-99 Note - Guests on our program have been saying this for years. It's about time organized medicine begins to admit it. This is exactly why many 12 year old girls look 17-18. OTTAWA (CP) -- Consumption of hormone-treated beef may be causing girls to reach puberty earlier than they used to and making them more susceptible to breast cancer, say researchers attending a world conference on breast cancer. It is "very likely" that hormone residues in North American beef is a factor in the early onset of puberty among girls in recent decades, said Carlos Sonnenschein of the Tufts University School of Medicine at Boston. "There is no other reason to explain it," Sonnenschein said in an interview Friday. Pediatricians say the onset of menstruation has steadily decreased in recent decades. The average age for a first period is now 121/2, up from age 14 in 1900. Early onset of puberty with its raging hormones translates into higher risk of breast cancer, said Sonnenschein. "The length and amount of exposure to estrogens (a class of hormones) is one of the most significant risk factors in breast carcinogenesis. "Unless you are exposed to estrogens you don't get breast cancer. The longer the exposure is, the higher the incidence. Therefore if you decrease the age of menarche (first menstruation), you are at higher risk." Hormones are used by cattle farmers in Canada and the United States to increase the weight of cattle prior to slaughter. They are currently the focus of a major trade dispute between North American and the European Union. Annie Sasco, of the International Agency for Research on Cancer at Lyons, France, said more study is needed but it makes sense that hormone-treated beef could affect the onset of puberty. "Any exposure to a high level of hormones is associated with earlier onset of puberty. It needs to be studied more but it makes sense." She said the risk of breast cancer associated with hormone residues in meat is not proven, and is probably small. "We all have estrogens and we need estrogens," she told the mainly female audience. "They are needed for life, for being what we are. We cannot say, 'Ban estrogens.' "We all have to try, through our diet and physical exercise, to keep our levels down. But there is a need to keep things in perspective ... without getting into a complete panic." Even if the risk is small, she said it would be prudent to stop the use of hormones in the cattle industry because there's no offsetting health benefit for consumers. The European Union has banned the use of hormones for fear they pose a health risk, and has banned imports of hormone-treated Canadian and U.S. meat. The two North American countries have taken the dispute to the World Trade Organization and have won the right to retaliate by placing tariffs on European goods. Canada announced retaliatory tariffs on a range of goods this week. The federal government maintains the hormones are safe, despite strong misgivings on the part of its own scientists at the Health Protection Branch. Four scientists with concerns have been placed under orders not to discuss the issue in public. The incidence of breast cancer has been rising steadily, most quickly in rich countries. In 1997, around the world, close to 400,000 women died of the disease. The number of new cases reported annually approached 900,000 in 1997, up from 572,000 in 1980. SIGHTINGS HOMEPAGE DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Gemstone
-Caveat Lector- Nope, Larry Flint published the Gemstones Files many many years after they first circulated among conspiracy theorists. Mae Brussel and S. Caruana circulated 1000's of copies first. *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/formaddress.html For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text in body: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Every Diet Has Failed! What Can I do? Click Below to "Ask Dr. Kathleen"! http://www.radiantdiet.com/cgi-bin/slim/deliver.cgi?ask-1364 *** -Original Message- From: Klubertanz, Jim (MN26) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 10:07 AM Subject: Gemstone Hi: For what it's worth, it was Larry Flynt who published the Gemstone Files in "Hustler" Magazine. It was 1977 or 1978. I am not guessing here. I just wish I hadn't lost track of my copy. If I was certain of the month, I would try to order it. Whatever. It would be good to see him get credit on the page, though. JLK DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Swiss Official Says 300 Firms Linked To Russian Mafia
-Caveat Lector- SIGHTINGS Swiss Official Says 300 Firms Linked To Russian Mafia 8-11-99 GENEVA - (Reuters) Organized crime gangs from the former Soviet Union have infiltrated some 300 Swiss companies and are using Switzerland as a "piggy bank", the country's Attorney General Carla del Ponte was quoted on Sunday as saying. In a rare interview the outspoken Del Ponte, who on Friday was nominated by U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan for the post of chief prosecutor of the world body's war crimes tribunal, said mafia groups continued to launder money in Swiss banks despite the introduction of a stringent a new law in 1988. "The Swiss economy is being undermined more and more by the mafia from the East. We estimate that around 300 Swiss companies have already been infiltrated," Del Ponte told the Swiss-German Sunday newspaper SonntagsBlick. A government report last year said some 80 Swiss companies had been penetrated by mafia groups from the East. Asked what made Swiss banks so attractive to the mafia, Del Ponte, who has long been the "bete noire" of secretive Swiss private bankers, said: "Their services and the legend of banking secrecy." Switzerland is the world's biggest offshore banking center for the wealthy accounting for about a third of the market. Determined to fight its reputation as a haven for so-called "dirty money", Swiss authorities introduced a new money laundering law last April. It was opposed by many Swiss bankers who saw it as a threat to their business and to what was once seen as iron-clad protection for their wealthy clients. Banking secrecy is the backbone of a business that manages an estimated $2 trillion or more in private client assets in Switzerland. The new law made it obligatory for bankers, financial intermediaries, investment advisers, asset managers, trust companies, foreign exchange bureaus and life insurers to report suspicious dealings and block funds if necessary. Despite the tighter rules, Del Ponte conceded that "until now, we have been unable to prevent the mafia from laundering money here". Del Ponte, who has in the past cited the Russian mafia as one of the principal external threats to the security of the Swiss state and claimed that Russian criminals had stashed away $40 billion in Swiss banks, warned of mafia-related violence in the country. "Wherever the mafia has a piggy bank, it is less interested in drawing attention to itself with acts of violence. But that situation could change quickly," she said. "Because first, the criminal money comes in to Switzerland and later, its owners follow." A recent government report said that almost all of the world's organized crime syndicates had a Swiss base and were investing in property and other businesses in the country. Del Ponte, who is expected to take up her U.N. war crimes tribunal post in The Hague on September 15, is likely to be replaced by her deputy Felix Baenziger, according to Swiss media reports. ((c) 1999 Reuters) http://www.sightings.com/politics4/swiss.htm SIGHTINGS HOMEPAGE DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DECLARATION OF CHRISTOPHER B. EMERY (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/11/1999 10:35:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 11. On March 3, 1994, I was involuntarily terminated from my position as White House Usher, the first such termination this century in the Usher¹s Office. The reason for my termination, as conveyed to me by my supervisor Gary Walters, was that Mrs. Clinton didn¹t feel comfortable with me. Up until the day I was terminated, no one in The White House ever mentioned a performance problem to me; nor was I aware of any complaints about my work. In fact, all my evaluations were exemplary or of the highest rating. I'm not surprised. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Intro: Catherine Austin Fitts
-Caveat Lector- This post is to ask for your networking help to further the research of a former (fired) Assistant Secretary of Housing in the Bush Administration and investment banker for HUD in the Clinton Administration, and now investigative journalist, who, as a result of being a "whistle blower", believes that she has been the target of covert non-lethal weaponry to attempt to dissuade her efforts to bring out the truth of her experiences and documented research related to an apparently hidden economic agenda behind an "ethnic cleansing in America" being implemented to benefit megabuckaneers with the complicity of rogue elements associated with the US government. The latter part of this post details her specific areas of inquiry, experiences and reasoning behind her interest in learning all that she can about non-lethal weapons programs. Because the issues involved in this case overlap so many different areas of social activism, I am posting this message to several applicable email group lists for their members' consideration and bcc to a number of individuals and national media outlets who may be able to help with this request and also benefit from related details of this story. Since she is not subscribed (as yet) to any of these lists but one, please respond directly to Catherine Austin Fitts [EMAIL PROTECTED] who is President of Solari, Inc., and formerly head of The Hamilton Securities Group and Managing Director and member of the Board of Dillon, Read Co. She is currently also a Contributing Editor to the monthly From The Wilderness Newsletter http://www.copvcia.com Her this month's upcoming article is entitled "Edgewood Technology Services: How I lost $100 Million Figuring Out Who Makes Money Making Sure the Popsicle Index Does Not Go Up", where the Popsicle Index discussed in her article in last month's issue is "the % of people in a community who believe that a child can leave their home, go to the nearest place to buy a Popsicle and come home alone safely". That issue also had her article on "The Ultimate New Business Cold Call" discussing the recent visit (reported widely by Associated Press) of the New York Stock Exchange Chairman, Richard Grasso, to the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia (FARC), to (she claims) make an appeal to ensure the liquidity of the NYSE which is sufficiently dependent on high margin cocaine profits that her conclusion was "Chairman Grasso's trip says to me that organized crime dollars have replaced petrodollars as the American financial system's number one circulatory disease and our addiction to drug profits is increasing our risk of a financial heart attack". Her blockbuster story in the May issue, "HUD Story of 'Ethnic Cleansing' Pattern in American Inner Cities May Have Roots in American Policy Dating To The Sixties" indicated that the crack cocaine epidemic in Los Angeles, now conclusively tied to CIA operations that protected drug shipments into the city, might have been parts of a government-sanctioned plan to force minorities to default on mortgages and flee inner cities so that huge profits could be generated by reselling abandoned homes. From The Wilderness has since obtained documents and other investigative leads which indicate that -- after the 1967 Detroit riots -- it became the official policy of the US government, on advice of officials from the CIA, the military and major defense contractors, to find ways to force minorities to leave the inner cities. According to the documents, cohesive concentrations of minorities were thought to be too great a political and economic threat to the government. The leads obtained include evidence of at least one murder of a government official to conceal this plan and evidence of its implementation in other cities than Los Angeles. Catherine will be reporting on her investigations and analysis of this material in this newsletter in the near future. -Original Message- From: Catherine Austin Fitts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Crockett Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 8:04 AM Subject: RE: non-lethal weapons David. That would be wonderful. I appreciate your doing this very much. Because it is so secretive, it is best to be properly introduced than to come in as a stranger. I am hoping that my personal experience and research can add a few pieces of the jigsaw to others efforts. I will also check your links below. Catherine -Original Message- From: David Crockett Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 11:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Michael C Ruppert Subject: non-lethal weapons Hi Catherine. I've received two posts from you to the ciadrug list seeking info on this topic and explaining why you are looking for it. I've been working with Mike Ruppert since I met him last December and have read your commentaries in his latest newsletters. I am also interested in these areas of misuse of advance
[CTRL] Looting by Bank of England
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.larouchepub.com/lar_oberwesel_2631.html This article appeared in the August 6, 1999 issue of Executive Intelligence Review. The Twentieth Century: century of catastrophe by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. Mr. LaRouche gave the following keynote speech to a Schiller Institute seminar on July 24, in Oberwesel, Germany, which was attended by more than 250 people, mainly from eastern and western Europe. I have to be careful when I speak, because I always say the same thing to all audiences, which is considered a violation of the tradition among American political candidates. I speak in the sense of being the presiding officer of the magazine Executive Intelligence Review. I speak in the capacity of being number three on the present list of pre-candidates of the Democratic nomination in year 2000. And I speak in my other capacities, which are variously known to various among you. And, to all, I have to say essentially the same thing. But on different occasions, and to different groups of people, I must put what I have to say in the form which is most likely to be useful to them. We are now in a process which is typified by the act of the Governor of the Bank of England, Eddie George, in looting his own bank of up to $1 billion and probably more, in concert with an international syndicate which includes the backers of Vice President and fading Presidential candidate Al Gore. This act of the Bank of England, stealing from itself, for the benefit of a group of cronies of the director of the Bank of England and of the Queen of England, is typical of these types. It must be said that what happened to Russia during the past six years, was found so good by the Western banking system, that they have imported the Russian model, of stealing from their own country's assets, into the West. For example, there is nothing remarkable or unique in what Eddie George is doing. In every part of the world, we have a form of criminality called privatization. "Privatization" is a multi-syllabic word for stealing. For example, in Germany, the Stadtwerke, the municipal utilities, are the present object of stealing, under the label of "privatization"--something that every Russian can understand. If you're going to privatize a firm, you're going to steal from it. That's what "privatization" means. It used to be called, in the Eighteenth Century and the Seventeenth Century, "privateering." That's when people get a legal license to go out and loot. Sometimes they were called "pirates," and if they had a piece of paper from a government, they were called "privateers." So, you don't call the Russian liberals "pirates," you call them "privateers," because they've been given a special license to steal from their own country, their own banks, and everything else in sight. Privateers even steal from each other. And when times get tough, the frequency and the intensity of stealing from one another increases. It could be said that, with probably a rare exception, that at this point, every leading bank and every leading other financial house in the world, is engaged primarily in stealing--stealing from its own assets. Now, in the case of Eddie George's stealing of gold, what happens is that the gold is stolen by selling it below its value to a private syndicate of cronies. A small group of people are allowed to buy this gold below price. They are going to hoard that gold, until after the great financial crash wipes out all financial institutions around the world. And that's in process now. When the crash is over, they intend to come back with their gold. In the meantime, they're driving down the price of gold, in order to bankrupt the gold mines in South Africa, Russia, and so forth. So, they will buy up the gold mines which have gone bankrupt, and they will control the world's gold and gold production after the crash is over--not far into the future. Every bank is doing the same thing--virtually every bank. Maybe there's an exception, here and there. But I've checked with some bankers, and they don't know of any exceptions. Every bank and financial house is stealing from itself. That is, the relevant directors are stealing assets, and, by various kinds of loan mechanisms and others--with which I'm familiar from the old days, investigating frauds and bankruptcies and so forth, and probate proceedings, in the United States and Canada. What they do, is they move the money through a lending procedure, or a trade procedure, at reduced prices to a second party, who passes it on to a third party, who passes it on to the fourth party. And the fourth party is the collaborator of the person in the bank who is doing the stealing. When the crash comes, each of the intervening parties, including the bank itself, will go bankrupt. And the bank official hopes to retire on the basis of what has been stolen by the fourth party. It's an old method of stealing. It was practiced in the 1950s, the 1960s, in the United States
Re: [CTRL] DECLARATION OF M. DENNIS SCULIMBRENE (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/11/1999 10:40:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On June 28, 1996, my White House Pass was canceled, without written reason, although I requested such. My supervisor at the time verbally advised that my pass was being revoked for my own safety and because my presence "made the First Family uncomfortable." I would note that a request by The White House for a background reinvestigation regarding myself was made after I was removed from The White House. I'm not surprised. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia-
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/12/1999 3:28:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AMSTERDAM, Aug 10 - The Netherlands plans to make history by legalising mercy killings in a controversial government bill that would also make children as young as 12 eligible for euthanasia. The bill, delivered to the lower house on Monday, proposes immunity from criminal prosecution for doctors provided they follow strict guidelines when performing euthanasia. At last people are to be allowed to die peacefully and with dignity. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: ACLU News 08-12-99: Affirmative Action, Teen Homeless
08-12-99 ACLU Newsfeed -- ACLU News Direct to YOU! IN THE ACLU NEWSROOM **The Latest News Can Always Be Found At:** http://www.aclu.org/news/pressind.html * ACLU Secures Free Speech Rights for State University Students in San Diego * Appeals Court Allows Rights Groups to Enter Michigan University Affirmative Action Battle * ACLU Urges Sacramento Officials to Defeat Unconstitutional Vehicle Seizure Ordinance * ACLU Leads Young People on Mission Targeting Teen Homelessness * New Jersey High Court Says Ban on Gays in Boy Scouts Must Go * ACLU Demands San Diego End Public Subsidy of Boy Scouts * ACLU Applauds United Airlines' Decision to Extend Domestic Partnership Benefits to Employees Nationwide * Other Recent ACLU Press Releases - ACLU Secures Free Speech Rights for State University Students in San Diego FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Wednesday, August 11, 1999 SAN DIEGO -- In a settlement announced today by the American Civil Liberties Union of San Diego Imperial Counties, state university officials here agreed to rescind all disciplinary action against a student who refused to remove a political sign containing a vulgar four-letter word from the window of his dormitory room. As part of the agreement, the university will revise its policies on student expression on campus. The University also agreed to correct every constitutional deficiency raised by the ACLU in a federal lawsuit filed last spring on behalf of student and National Merit Scholar Ben Shapiro. "This agreement takes the university out of the business of censorship and restores free political expression for students," said Jordan Budd, Managing Attorney for the ACLU of San Diego and Imperial Counties. "The unfettered exchange of ideas, including those that are provocative and controversial, is not only guaranteed by the Constitution, but is also essential to the mission of the University and to a free society," he added. Shapiro had placed a hand-made sign reading "Fuck Netanyahu and Pinochet" in his window last November after reading in the London Times about former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's involvement with biological weapons research and the arrest of former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet for crimes against humanity. Shapiro said he used provocative wording to get people's attention and to provoke debate on human rights and morality. After refusing to take the sign down, Shapiro was charged with violating University regulations on posting notices, which prohibit "offensive" materials and the use of "fighting words." He was ordered to perform three hours of community service as punishment for his alleged infractions. In its lawsuit -- filed on the eve of the deadline for Shapiro to serve his "sentence" and after University administrators had ignored a letter bringing the matter to their attention for over a week -- the ACLU asserted that the University's policies violated First Amendment free speech protections by being vague and subjective, failing to treat all verbal harassment under the same standard, and giving University administrators unbridled authority to suppress political viewpoints or word choices they did not like. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that university officials may not censor student political expression on the basis that, in their view, it exceeds the bounds of good taste, the ACU said. The Court has also ruled that fighting words lose the protection of the First Amendment only when they are directed at an individual in a face-to-face confrontation in a way likely to incite immediate violent reaction. The ACLU argued that the application of a fighting words policy to a written political statement about two politicians who are thousands of miles away was not only unconstitutional, but absurd. "It is reassuring to me that the principles of American freedom and justice that I am learning inside the classroom also apply to the world outside the classroom, including the UCSD campus," says Shapiro, who begins his second year at the University next month. The settlement agreement filed with the court today requires the University to: -- Immediately rescind all disciplinary charges levied by the University against Shapiro and to expunge all references to the incident from his college record; -- Revise its policies regarding the posting of flyers, posters, and banners to prevent University administrators from censoring the content of those notices. The new policy will specifically state that the University may not restrict messages posted in dormitory windows; -- Clarify the meaning of its "fighting words" policy to make it clear that the policy may not be used to censor student political expression. The "fighting words" policy is designed to punish hate
[CTRL] Fwd: UNDERNEWS Aug 12
UNDERNEWS Sam Smith August 12, 1999 The Progressive Review 1739 Conn. Ave. NW Washington DC 20009 202-232-5544 Fax: 202-234-6222 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INDEX: http://prorev.com RECENT UNDERNEWS: http://prorev.com/indexa.htm TODAY'S HEADLINE NEWS: http://prorev.com/altnews.htm THE REVIEW FORUM: http://prorev.com/letters.com DONATIONS AND ORDER FORM: http://prorev.com/order3.htm UNSUBSCRIBE: Reply with 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. For a free subscription to our e-mail updates send your postal address with zip code. Copyright 1999, The Progressive Review. Matter not independently copyrighted may be reprinted provided TPR is paid your normal reprint fees, if any, and is given proper credit. Because of its quantity, TPR's mail is not always answered, but it is always read. The editor is cheered or remorseful as appropriate and posts some of the more interesting messages at http://prorev.com/letters.htm -- LAWYERS PARTY WITH HOODS (Cont'd) Our report on W.J. Clinton and Webster Hubbell being invited to speak at the convention of the American Bar Association left out the key fact that Hubbell was a guest of the White Collar Crime Committee. Perhaps the lawyers were looking for a few tips from Hubbell who not only overbilled his clients but has so far gotten away with not paying nearly $900,000 in federal, state, and local taxes. Meanwhile, White House FBI whistleblower Gary Aldrich thinks the ABA would have done better inviting John Gotti rather than Clinton: "John Gotti has more honor, and maybe more common sense. At least Gotti never sent his attack goons after federal law enforcement officers who were only trying to do their jobs -- trying to enforce the law. Clinton and his 'family' have federal law enforcement officers threatened, suspended, demoted, transferred, investigated and castigated if they show disloyalty by seeking the truth." CLINTON SCANDALS NEW YORK TIMES: An independent counsel has concluded that there is insufficient evidence to seek grand jury indictments in the investigation of Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt's role in his department's rejection of an Indian casino application, several lawyers knowledgeable about the inquiry said Wednesday. The independent counsel, Carol Elder Bruce, reached the decision two weeks ago after a spirited debate among lawyers in her office over whether an indictment should be sought, a lawyer with knowledge of the discussions said. ASSOCIATED PRESS: A former defendant in one of Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's prosecutions lost a legal battle to have the government pay her attorneys' fees. U.S. District Judge Claude Hilton rejected the arguments of Julie Hiatt Steele that Starr's case was ``vexatious, frivolous and in bad faith.'' JUST POLITICS NEW YORK POST: Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich - who led the charge against President Clinton for his affair with Monica Lewinsky - is romantically involved with a much younger congressional staffer, sources said. Gingrich began seeing Callista Bisek, 33, at least three years ago - and their relationship was ongoing while Gingrich was denouncing Clinton for his sex-and-lies fling with Lewinsky. PANAMA CANAL WASHINGTON TIMES: Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott recently wrote to Defense Secretary William S. Cohen that a Chinese shipping company is gaining broad authority over the Panama Canal and could deny passage to U.S. ships. "It appears that we have given away the farm without a shot being fired," the Mississippi Republican said in the Aug. 1 letter requesting Mr. Cohen's security assessment. It was the first time a congressional leader has raised questions about growing Chinese influence over one of the world's most strategic waterways. For TPR coverage, search "Panama Canal" at http://www.prorev.com/ indexa.htm LAND OF THE FREE Washington is the latest city with an anti-democratic, anti-youth curfew. It starts September 7. Court challenges have so far failed. FEEDBACK SB POINTS OUT THAT the White House - cocaine connection precedes Clinton, namely George Bush Sr.'s involvement with the Iran-Contra drug running operation. This means that if either of the current front-runners win, we will be in our third administration run by someone who has either been an illegal drug user or directly involved with drug traffickers. GL ON THE BABBITT-RUBIN CASE: The BIA has been screwing the Indians for longer than it's been called the BIA, and that has been mostly at the behest of Congress. The issues in the trial predate Clinton's birth, let alone his presidency. As for the "contempt" trial and the attorneys fees Lamberth has ordered, the Plaintiffs have demanded documents which it will cost the government over S10 million to collect, and they are being collected. The problem is that no one understood how many documents there were and how hard it was going to be to collect them, since the situation dates back so far. And remember,
[CTRL] Tom Hayden on Militia Violence.
-Caveat Lector- Thursday, August 12, 1999 These Aren't Isolated Acts of Violence These crimes are not the work of just a maladjusted few; appoint a task force to focus on ways to deal with rogue militias. By TOM HAYDEN ADVERTISEMENT hen violence is attributed to black or Latino street gang members, the authorities react with strike teams, increased expenditures for law enforcement, roundups of parole violators, as well as programs directed at prevention. So why the failure to similarly respond to the violence that arises from white male "Christian" hate groups in America? In the wake of the Granada Hills shooting and similar tragedies, the governor or attorney general should appoint an official task force to recommend effective approaches to combating right-wing hate groups, paramilitaries and militias. According to Kenneth Stern, the American Jewish Committee's expert on hate groups, there has been a "lackluster local law enforcement response to the militias [because] of the willingness of many to write off militia activities as nuttiness or 'isolated incidents.' " The immediate tragedy this week at the Jewish community center in Granada Hills is about virulent anti-Semitism, coming weeksh after the synagogue burnings in Sacramento. At other times the violence is connected to racism or hatred of women, homophobia, even anti-environmentalism. It is a dangerous denial to believe that these acts of violence are nothing more than the work of deranged and isolated individuals. Of course, there is no single conspiracy linking them. But there are supremacist ideologies, networks and armed groups that together create an atmosphere that stimulates and condones these violent eruptions. There are 224 militia groups in America, according to a 1995 survey, 35 of them in California. But their reach is broader. In 1994, the National Rifle Assn. stated that while they were not creating militia groups, neither would they "contemplate discouraging the exercise of [this] constitutional right." For legal reasons, supremacist groups consciously practice "leaderless resistance," in which apparenty isolated acts of mayhem fulfill a larger agenda. So intense are the simmering crevices beneath the benign surface of America that there is no center, no common understanding of reality. Most whites and blacks held utterly different understandings of the O.J. Simpson verdict. The all-white militias believe that they, not racial minorities, are the victims of economic downsizing and political correctness. While a large American majority supports gun control, the militia viewpoint is that gun control is the first step toward military occupation by either the federal government or the United Nations. We need stronger steps to deter violence, such as a law enforcement task force on militias. But we must ask how this loss of trust in common ground could happen in a democracy with a free media and public education system. A task force should consider the following actions: * Enact a law, as proposed by the Anti-Defamation League, banning paramilitary training of militias that advocate supremacist ideologies or taking up arms against the state. Such laws against private armies existed in 24 states by 1995--not including California--but there have been no prosecutions since the mid-1980s. * Enact local or state ordinances requiring the disclosure of weapons arsenals owned by individuals. This was proposed after the 1997 North Hollywood shootout, only to die in Sacramento. * Toughen programs to train law enforcement and administrators generally in understanding, detecting and deterring hate crimes and militias. Currently the required training is minimal. * Review proposed "tolerance curricula" for their effectiveness in public schools and other civic institutions and consider mandating such an educational requirement. * Assess whether it was coincidental that militias and hate groups surged in the 1990-95 period when economic downsizing was ripping through the industrial economy long dominated by white males. If so, what policies are needed to provide a sense of economic security for all during the transition to a multicultural society? * Review whether television and films contribute in any way to the atmosphere of division, resentment and violence in our society, and what might be encouraged to promote public tolerance of diversity. It is time to look in the mirror, not the other way. - - - State Sen. Tom Hayden Is a Democrat Representing Parts of West Los Angeles and the San Fernando Valley Copyright 1999 Los Angeles Times. All Rights Reserved DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by
[CTRL] Federal judge orders Waco evidence released (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Davidian evidence demanded http://www.dallasmorningnews.com/texas_southwest/0810tsw1davidians.htm Judge cites access needs, intense public interest 08/10/99 By Lee Hancock / The Dallas Morning News A federal judge in Waco told the federal government Monday to hand over every piece of evidence relating to the 1993 Branch Davidian standoff. In a sweeping order, U.S. District Judge Walter Smith told federal authorities to surrender to the federal clerk in Waco everything "in any way relevant to the events occurring at Mount Carmel," the Davidian compound besieged by federal authorities from Feb. 28 to April l9, 1993. snip = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia-
-Caveat Lector- Hi Prudy, I have heard terrible stories about that being abused there though. Like they have got carried away and that there are no old people's homes now. I guess with the fight for space it is practical. Could get out of hand don't you think? Nicky "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/12/1999 3:28:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AMSTERDAM, Aug 10 - The Netherlands plans to make history by legalising mercy killings in a controversial government bill that would also make children as young as 12 eligible for euthanasia. The bill, delivered to the lower house on Monday, proposes immunity from criminal prosecution for doctors provided they follow strict guidelines when performing euthanasia. At last people are to be allowed to die peacefully and with dignity. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia
-Caveat Lector- On 13 Aug 99, at 12:36, Nicola Molloy wrote: -Caveat Lector- I have heard terrible stories about that being abused there though. Like they have got carried away and that there are no old people's homes now. The old people who remain are also afraid of their doctors. They never know whether their loving family members may have them involuntarily euthanised. Kathleen "The self-righteous unnecessary lie, the implausible explanation, the irrelevant argument -- all pure Clinton." --Michael Barone DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, K wrote: On 13 Aug 99, at 12:36, Nicola Molloy wrote: I have heard terrible stories about that being abused there though. Like they have got carried away and that there are no old people's homes now. The old people who remain are also afraid of their doctors. They never know whether their loving family members may have them involuntarily euthanised. I'd like to know where you both get your supposed 'information'... None of my Dutch relatives feel the way you describe, and indeed always have thought of voluntary euthanasia the civilized thing, and welcome the chance to make that choice for themselves...and have never feared that it would be forced upon them by others I share their opinion, and would rather be 'put down' than spend out my days in a nursing home... June ;-) *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Hello (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:07:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hello My old friend Sybill Leek who was MI6 told me Pattie Hearst was CIA; again at the time I did not think so. F. Lee Bailey, howevr during the trail brought out this brainwashing stuff. Rosicrucianism again involved here. Bunny Mellon was CIA; I think she may have been their to protect Jackie Kennedy when she was in the White House. During Pattie Hearst trial, remember Bailey stating "have made a convenant with death and with hell are at agreement' words to that effect. I have a bible date; February 5 is always a very significant date - but key passage or chapter "The Law of Kidnapping"..now the Manson trial also, this stuff and alwys rosicrucianism. It is mind control - and I am convinced now just today, I figured out why in my little office in Reynoldsburg when I was really raising cain about my ibible code yers ago, an MI6 Colonel called upon me; and just today, I remember that is where my brothr in law was stationed thenand he was setting up missile bases,Thor Chief, all over world and was involved in this stuff as he had worked for VAndenberg. And then when my friend was - well put it this way, she somehow was involved in this MKUltra stuff, esp crapand I never knew that...what do you know of this s tuff. All kinds of stuff. But when Sybil said Pattie H was CIA, and she would be okay.she knew what would happenF. Lee Bailey - he must know all kinds of stuff on that. William Randolph Hearst of course rosicrucian stuff.Sybil also told me this one doctor, and there were - these were horrible people - was CIA and he was in cell with Hoffa for a yearI did not believe that at the time...but when they got arrested guns, murder of a third doctor, involving a mafia hit man called a made man, well.they called for a Cleveland attorney who had represented Mitch Werbell who had been CIA Chief Exec Action Officer. Do you know anything re Sybil Leek and this MKUltra; I know now, she was actually a control over me...would never let me get out the good suffthe patience bit, which I went along with...and this other MI6 in my office RAF Colonel, Ret. and had been on UN tours to Indiawhat was a guy like tha doing coming to my office and indirectly eiher threatening or warning me.so you see - oh, I think the connection was this is when my sister was in England and then returned to USA - they spent 7 yeas there Phil was Thor Chief. How deep you nto this stuff. I am so disorganized now trying to get back to work but have to reorient my entire thinking. It is this Zionist stuff; I had he wrong people...but this guy today, does he picture match the man. What is wrong with a white man and white family wanting to be with their own.they have demonized him, but someting is fishy there. It is not the same man of the laughing happy man...drugs - they are churcing out this suff. I was downed with drugs by -won't go into that, but good thing I had an education in psychology enought to pull out, and when I did I really scattered them allthey had infiltrated my circle of friends Thi sounds too wild,just consider his, The Law of Kidnapping...key words re bible code for Pattie Hearst kidnaping.F. Lee Bailey know what happened, and look wht they did to him. Of course he did hve a drinking problem;p my old friend Jerry Ryan was going to introduce me to him as he was coming inthen in the paper, Jerry died - he was one of the Mayor of Columbus head men...'oh this stuff is awful - from the bottom to the top Larry Flynt is the big man in drugs now; however, I think it is his network they use and that like Howrd Hughes, he is so far out of it - who cres? So I have had so much to do today, and so little timeremmber too these Tabloids like NE and Globe are CIA MI6 connected.and that Ruper Murdoch - well look to Australia and even England and Ireland and you can see the networkonly through secret societies can this stuff be don. I do hate this Zionist stuff; I remember things now and - what are they - billions of dollars to that rinky dink placethe ony thing of wonder their is the religious significance, Those Zionists are giong to caue the entire stte of Israel to be desroyedand then will move iin. Excuse errors, and when I think my brother in law - Vandenberg headed up CIA when he - well then he went tot he Joint Chief, then Hoyt V died, and then he set up Vandenbrg AFB and this moon stuff started. I do not even like our astronatus anymore; but JohnGlenn was with Bobby that night - I did get to talke to him once for 45 minues on phone...he is nice,and I chaired the dinner for him when he decided to run for Senate...but he oo, they are all sworn to secrecy. What a bunch of crapPhil was so mad at me becaue I picked up all this stuff - he wa
Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia
-Caveat Lector- Hi Kathleen, Maybe they would like the money left to them too. I wouldn't like to be old there and I suppose the cost of the rest homes would eat away the finance. The old person may feel guilty not leaving the rellies anything and say I'll go now and you can benefit. What a horrible dilemma to be in, feeling guilty for being a burden too possibly. nicky The old people who remain are also afraid of their doctors. They never know whether their loving family members may have them involuntarily euthanised. Kathleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Alleged victim (Stopford) of Croatia poisoning at centre of bizarre military probe
-Caveat Lector- http://asia.yahoo.com/headlines/130899/world/934491300-90812205556.newsworld.html Alleged victim of Croatia poisoning at centre of bizarre military probe OTTAWA, Aug 12 (AFP) - A former Canadian peacekeeper, who says he became ill after handling toxins in the soil while serving in Croatia, may have been poisoned by his own subordinates, Canada's chief military investigator said in a letter made public Thursday. But Provost-Marshall Brigadier General Patricia Samson admitted that by disclosing that allegation to former warrant officer Matt Stopford she may have unwittingly compromised the military's investigation. Whether she did or didn't, Stopford says the new military probe is a load of hogwash and he wants the civilian Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) to take over the probe rather than leave it to the armed forces. Stopford has already provoked one military investigation -- into why medical documents attached to the service files of hundreds of Canadian soldiers were destroyed. The documents were placed in the soldiers' files after one military doctor appeared to give credence to Stopford's claim that he was suffering from serious illnesses because of poisoning caused by bauxite and PCBs in soil used by Canadian peackeepers to fill sandbags while serving in Croatia. On Thursday, Stopford revealed that a military policeman had hand-delivered him a letter from Samson saying allegations had surfaced that Stopford's own men may have deliberately laced his coffee and food with poison. The letter dated August 11 said: "Information has recently come to light that indicates you may have been the victim of systematic ingestion of naphtha gas during your tour to Croatia in 1993." She added that the allegations claim "minute amounts (one or two drops) ... of naphtha gas were covertly put into your coffee on a regular basis by other servicemen over an extended period of time ... the majority of your time in theatre." Samson said she passed along the allegations so he could tell his doctor. She asked Stopford not to release the details because of the investigations going on into various aspects of the toxic soil controversy. But an angry Stopford said Thursday he agreed to keep the letter quiet for just one week and said he didn't believe a word of the allegations that his own troops may have been responsible. And he complained that civil police, not the military, should carry out the investigation. "I'd rather the RCMP handle the whole investigation," Stopford told journalists Thursday. "I don't have any trust in the system, period. And a lot of soldiers don't." Samson convened a hastily arranged press conference after Stopford spoke to the media and admitted she may have erred in informing Stopford of the allegations so early in the investigation. "It might make the investigation longer," she admitted. "It might turn off some leads that we hoped we would have." She said she wrote the letter of her own accord out of concern for Stopford's health. "Upon learning of the information, I was caught in an ethical and moral dilemma," she said. "The dilemma was my concern for the health of Warrant Officer Stopford and my concern for the conduct of the investigation." She said she realized the investigation could continue for months and that Stopford's health could be affected by the information the investigators gleaned. Stopford released the names of 10 other soldiers he said are sick and willing to go public with their stories, apparently from poisoning by bauxite dust, PCBs from wrecked transformers, and contaminated water. The provost marshal, however, said the new allegations of laced food and coffee "have some credence," although Stopford insisted: "I don't believe that's true -- not for a heartbeat. My soldiers did a great job over there and I'm very proud of them. "I had no cowards in my platoon and that would be a cowardly act. I guarantee they did not do this." Meanwhile, the military is carrying out medical examinations of about 3,000 Canadian troops who served in the Balkans during the early 1990s as a separate inquiry goes ahead into who ordered the shredding of documents suggesting the troops may have been poisoned while filling sandbags. -- --- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml --- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the
Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia
-Caveat Lector- Hi June, I got it from a Dutch person and there have been a few full pages articles in the local paper over the years which I have saved. My Dutch friend committed suicide a few years ago, she was only about 40 but just had enough of life. Her mother didn't think it was a great idea. Which age do you draw the line for - suicide at 40 or voluntary euthanasia at 50? Not much difference really is there? Nicky I'd like to know where you both get your supposed 'information'... None of my Dutch relatives feel the way you describe, and indeed always have thought of voluntary euthanasia the civilized thing, and welcome the chance to make that choice for themselves...and have never feared that it would be forced upon them by others I share their opinion, and would rather be 'put down' than spend out my days in a nursing home... June ;-) *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Info source (was Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia]
-Caveat Lector- Hope this doesn't turn out to be a duplicate. My ISP has been a little flaky recently - never know whether a message will go through or not. On 12 Aug 99, at 21:13, YnrChyldzWyld wrote: I'd like to know where you both get your supposed 'information'... I got mine from an article written by a Dutch physician. It was published sometime between 1988 and 1993 in one of the journals I received. It has been some time since I read it so I don't recall any further details. If I find some spare time I will attempt to track it down for you. "When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence." - Gary Lloyd DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Text of Clinton Executive Order on Internet Conduct
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Text of Clinton Executive Order on Internet Conduct
U.S. Newswire
7 Aug 11:07
Text of Clinton Executive Order Establishing Working Group to
Examine Unlawful Conduct on the Internet
To: National Desk
Contact: White House Press Office, 202-456-2100
WASHINGTON, Aug. 7 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following is the
text of an Executive Order released today by President Clinton:
EXECUTIVE ORDER
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WORKING GROUP ON UNLAWFUL CONDUCT
ON THE INTERNET
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution
and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to
address unlawful conduct that involves the use of the Internet,
it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Establishment and Purpose.
(a) There is hereby established a working group to address
unlawful conduct that involves the use of the Internet ("Working
Group"). The purpose of the Working Group shall be to prepare
a report and recommendations concerning:
(1) The extent to which existing Federal laws provide a
sufficient basis for effective investigation and prosecution
of unlawful conduct that involves the use of the Internet, such
as the illegal sale of guns, explosives, controlled substances,
and prescription drugs, as well as fraud and child pornography.
(2) The extent to which new technology tools, capabilities,
or legal authorities may be required for effective investigation
and prosecution of unlawful conduct that involves the use
of the Internet; and
(3) The potential for new or existing tools and capabilities
to educate and empower parents, teachers, and others to prevent
or to minimize the risks from unlawful conduct that involves
the use of the Internet.
(b) The Working Group shall undertake this review in the context
of current Administration Internet policy, which includes support
for industry self-regulation where possible, technology-neutral
laws and regulations, and an appreciation of the Internet as
an important medium both domestically and internationally for
commerce and free speech.
Sec. 2. Schedule. The Working Group shall complete its work
to the greatest extent possible and present its report and
recommendations to the President and Vice President within 120
days of the date of this order. Prior to such presentation,
the report and recommendations shall be circulated through the
Office of Management and Budget for review and comment by all
appropriate Federal agencies.
Sec. 3. Membership.
(a) The Working Group shall be composed of the following
members:
(1) The Attorney General (who shall serve as Chair of the
Working Group).
(2) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget.
(3) The Secretary of the Treasury.
(4) The Secretary of Commerce.
(5) The Secretary of Education.
(6) The Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
(7) The Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and
Firearms.
(8) The Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration.
(9) The Chair of the Federal Trade Commission.
(10) The Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration;
and
(11) Other Federal officials deemed appropriate by the
Chair of the Working Group.
(b) The co-chairs of the Interagency Working Group on Electronic
Commerce shall serve as liaison to and attend meetings of the
Working Group. Members of the Working Group may serve on the
Working Group through designees.
WILLIAM J. CLINTON
THE WHITE HOUSE,
August 5, 1999.
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[CTRL] Cooper on Mass Shooters (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:31:02 + From: Rose Ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cooper on Mass Shooters Gunman shoots 5 in Jewish Center by William Cooper Copyright 1999 Harvest Trust All Rights Reserved A middle aged man ran into a Jewish community center Tuesday fired 20 to 30 shots, wounded five including at least three children, and then escaped into the night. He was described as a balding white man in his 40s. Authorities state that the motive for the shooting is not known... but we know exactly what it is. It is no accident that the incident occurred in a Jewish Community Center. The Jewish People have never learned from their past persecution. They repeat the same mistakes again, and again, and again. If every Jew in Europe had owned a gun and had shot every German that came to haul them off to a slave labor camp World War II might not have occurred. If Jews had died it would have been honorably in defense of themselves like those great heroes of the Warsaw Ghetto, and not as human skeletons in slave labor camps. They would not have been forced to dig their own graves. They would not have had to kneel at the edge of those graves and then been shot in the back of the head to topple dead into those graves. They would not have been reduced to ashes in ovens. But Jews have not learned any of this, and it will be Jews who will scream the loudest for more gun control. Jews have not learned that the God of this New World Odor is the intellect of man, that man is God, and that Judaism, along with every other religion will not be allowed. Once again they will become slave labor in a world without God... only this time their fellow slaves will be Christians, and Muslims, and every other religious man or woman who will not accept the new man-God, the new Superman just like Hitler envisioned. I don't want it to happen to ANYONE. The motive of all these seemingly random acts is gun control. The shooter is another victim of a socialist mind control program. It will be discovered that he is an ex or current mental patient of a mental health professional. He will be discovered to have been, or will be currently on some type of prescribed medication such as Prozac or a similar drug. Watch for him to attempt to commit, or to commit suicide when capture becomes imminent. President Clinton said about the shooting. ``Once again, our nation has been shaken and our hearts torn by gun violence, it calls on all of us not only to give our thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families, but intensify our resolve to make America a safer place.'' I have warned repeatedly that these incidents will continue and grow more frequent and more violent as time rolls by. It will only stop when International socialism realizes it's goal of total and complete disarmament of all People everywhere... and it will not be because People are without guns. It will be because the terror is no longer needed. The agenda will have been served. A psychiatrist testified on Tuesday that the Georgia boy accused of wounding six classmates in a May school shooting was plagued by suicidal thoughts and believed he heard voices giving commands. But not just voices, robotic voices... exactly the kind of voices that would be produced by an intracerebral implant or intrusive microwave or other electromagnetic devices. We know these procedures exist because every investigation into mind control techniques has produced official documentation and testimony which proves it. The only thing we don't know is the level to which it has been perfected and the methods of its use. I warn you again that these incidents will escalate in frequency and violence, until these mind control programs are opened up, the victims discovered, and treatment programs are put into place to counter their programming. If this is not accomplished the hysteria will build until most Americans consent to be disarmed. Many of us know that a disarmed People is an enslaved People, and those of us who will not consent will engage the enemy in a great Civil War in an attempt to quell the socialist insurrection, and to reinstate Constitutional Republican government as guaranteed by Article 4, Section 4 of the Constitution for the united States of America. It will be a very long, and a very bloody war. I have fought in a war and I know the terrible consequences of such a course. I have spent many years in a (so far) failed attempt to awaken enough People so that no one will have to suffer through such a war. I very strongly advise you to wake up and help me to solve these problems while there is still a possibility, slim though it may be, to prevent the violent war that is sure to come. I advise you to thoroughly prepare. And don't make the mistake of thinking, "...it can't happen in America". Very powerful competing political ideologies have been set in motion that virtually assure... that it
[CTRL] DRUDGE: PAPER: CHINA WEIGHING MILITARY OPTIONS AGAINST TAIWAN (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- PAPER: CHINA WEIGHING MILITARY OPTIONS AGAINST TAIWAN Chinese embassy officials and visiting army officers have warned the Clinton administration that China is considering a new show of military force in the Taiwan conflict -- force that may include an amphibious assault on a Taiwan-controlled island near the Chinese coast! "Clinton administration officials and other China experts believe it is unlikely that Beijing would launch military action before October to avoid spoiling a mid-September meeting between President Clinton and Chinese President Jiang Zemin in New Zealand," the WASHINGTON POST is reporting in Friday Page Ones. Other possible military steps by Beijing include the "seizure of Taiwanese supply ships, an incursion by Chinese fishing boats, submarines or naval vessels into Taiwanese waters or a limited air clash." POSTies Michael Laris and Steven Mufson do the reporting... = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Science and Politics of Recovered Memories
-Caveat Lector- Hi ! Below please find information from an article called "Science and Politics of Recovered Memories" Sincerely, Neil Brick excerpts from http://fmsf.com/ethics.shtml (this is not an fmsf site) Ethics Behavior Vol. 8, No. 2, 1998 Symposium: Science and Politics of Recovered Memories Reviewed by Linda Chapman, MSW, LCSW A special issue of Ethics Behavior has been published (Vol. 8, No. 2, 1998). The theme is "The Science and Politics of Recovered Memory," and it is based on a program chaired by Gerald Koocher of Harvard Medical School at the APA convention. "...Skilled, thoughtful, well-trained clinicians are too often tarred with the same brush that should be reserved for the quacks of psychotherapy. Not surprisingly, the most vocal attempts to silence competent professionals speaking out on or treating genuine abuse victims have come from organizations populated or led by individuals who have been ruled abusive or otherwise discredited in courts of law." -- Gerry Koocher, Chair JENNIFER J. FREYD, PH.D., is a full professor in the Department of Psychology, University of Oregon, Eugene, Oregon. She is the author of the acclaimed book, "Betrayal Trauma: The Logic of Forgetting Childhood Abuse." She writes: "Despite this documentation for both traumatic amnesia and essentially accurate delayed recall, memory science is often presented as if it supports the view that traumatic amnesia is very unlikely or perhaps impossible and that a great many, perhaps a majority, maybe even all, recovered memories of abuse are falseYet no research supports such an implication...and a great deal of research supports the premise that forgetting sexual abuse is fairly common and that recovered memories are sometimes essentially true." Science in the Memory Debate, p. 107 ANNA SALTER, PH.D., is a psychologist in Madison, Wisconsin. In 1988, she began a study of the accuracy of expert testimony in child sexual abuse cases utilizing psychologist Ralph Underwager and his wife and practice partner, Hollida Wakefield, as a case study. (Underwager is a co-founder of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation who resigned after making statements to a Dutch magazine in which he advocated pedophilia. See this article for background.) Salter writes: "The people who support and defend those accused of child sexual abuse indiscriminately, those who join organizations dedicated to defending people who are accused of child sexual abuse with no screening whatsoever to keep out those who are guilty as charged, are...not necessarily people engaged in an objective search for the truth. Some of them can and do use deceit, trickery, misstated research, harassment, intimidation, and charges of laundering federal money to silence their opponents." -- Confessions of a Whistle Blower: Lessons Learned, p. 122. JENNIFER A. HOULT earned degrees in harp, computer science and religion, pursued a career in Artificial Intelligence Software Engineering, and later returned to a career in music. In 1988, she filed a civil suit against her father - a member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation - (J. Hoult v. D.P. Hoult), whom she alleged had sexually abused her throughout her childhood. In 1993, this case was unanimously decided in her favor, and she was awarded monetary damages. However, Hoult has seen the facts of her case twisted and misreported in the media and by FMS proponents. She writes: "Since 1995, I have become aware of the parallel between the intimidation and silencing in the microcosm of the abusive family and in the macrocosm of a society that is ill at ease in dealing with the abuse of children. During my childhood my father protected himself from being held accountable by threatening me into silence. I believe that published documents demonstrate how some members and supporters of false memory groups publish false statements that defame and intimidate victims of proven violence and their supporters. Such altered accounts are used to discredit others in court and in the press." -- Silencing the Victim: The Politics of Discrediting Child Abuse Survivors, p. 125. ROSS E. CHEIT is a professor in the Department of Political Science, Brown University. Cheit, who as an adult recovered memories of abuse by a camp counselor, has established an archive of _corroborated cases_ of recovered memories here. From the Abstract of Cheit's article: "Some self-proclaimed skeptics of recovered memory claim that traumatic childhood events simply cannot be forgotten at the time only to be remembered later in life. This claim has been made repeatedly by the Advisory Board members of a prominent advocacy group for parents accused of sexual abuse, the so-called False Memory Syndrome Foundation. The research project described in this article identifies and documents the growing number of cases that have been ignored or distorted by such skeptics. To date, this project has documented 35 cases in which recovered memories of
[CTRL] [BRIGADE] PJB: Family Farm Bill of Rights
-Caveat Lector- Dear Friends, Pat's speech on farm rights and his 10 point plan below. GO PAT GO!!! Linda As always feel free to forward across the USA! --- The Principle Group -- Des Moines, Iowa August 9, 1999 A FAMILY FARM BILL OF RIGHTS Patrick J. Buchanan For many Americans, these are the best of times. Unemployment and interest rates are low, prices are stable, and on Wall Street the bulls have been running wild. But not everyone is marching in the great parade of American prosperity. Look past those brimming silos and fields of corn, and you'll see a harvest of heartache in the heartland of America. Those silos store last year's crop that was packed in because prices were too low to turn a profit. As for those full fields, some of that crop may rot on the ground because farmers can't afford to harvest it. This year, the price of cotton is down 46%; wheat prices are off 61%. Corn has reached the lowest price in two decades, and soybeans that sold for $8 a bushel three years ago bring just $3.50. The specter of depression haunts the farmlands of America. But this crisis is different. It has struck Iowa when the growing conditions are good and farmers anticipate a record soybean harvest and the third greatest corn crop ever. The problem is price. The Asian economic disaster that spread to Russia and Latin America sent foreign demand for U.S. farm products crashing 40%. Desperate to offload their own subsidized oversupply, countries began dumping into the U.S. market. Invoking the Global Economy, Mr. Clinton refused to take action. America's farmers are paying the price, as are implement companies and hardware stores, coffee shops and car dealerships across the great American breadbasket. Washington and Wall Street may believe it inevitable that the family farm must pass away. But, as a conservative, I believe that family farms and rural towns must be conserved. So, today, I offer this ten-point pact, a Bill of Rights for the Family Farm: First, I will, as President, abolish all inheritance and capital gains taxes on family farms. Americans over the age of 55 own half of our farmland. But inheritance taxes prevent these farmers from bequeathing a birthright to their children. When I was here in Iowa in 1995, I visited a farm in Ida County where the Paulsrud family had lived nearly a century. Like many of their neighbors, their grandparents had started with a small plot, farmed it, added buildings, and bought nearby land. Their son did the same, building up and adding on. By 1995, the Paulsrud family had 2,000 acres worth about $1,500 an acre. When I spoke to that elderly farmer, he told me he dreamed of passing the farm on to his son. But his son couldn't buy it because of the capital gains taxes. And if he died, his son would have to pay a federal inheritance tax of 55% -- a million dollars. Where would an Iowa farmer get that kind of money? Only by selling that family farm that had been cobbled together over a century. It shouldn't work this way in America. Second, we must repeal NAFTA. Since NAFTA passed, U.S. agriculture imports from Canada and Mexico have increased 57%, and our agriculture trade surplus with the two countries has shrunk by two-thirds. Stand on our northern border and you'll see four times as many head of imported cattle heading south as you did a decade ago. 2000% more spring wheat. Seven times as many hogs. Move to the southern border and you'll see Mexican trucks hauling the tomatoes that have cost Florida farmers $1 billion in lost revenue, or the strawberries that infected 270 Americans with Hepatitis A in 1997. This is the fruit of a NAFTA trade deal that failed to consider the possibility that our neighbors would cheapen their currencies to take unfair advantage of American farmers. Now, make no mistake: I am not against trade. I believe we must take aggressive action to open overseas markets to U.S. farm products. But we must stop unilaterally throwing open our markets to Japan, China, the Pacific Rim and the EU, when they deny us free and fair access to their markets. Over the past decade, we've courted the Chinese with trade privileges and unrestricted imports at the cost of a $60 billion annual trade deficit. Meanwhile, Beijing has slashed U.S. farm imports by $100 million, and slapped 40% tariffs on U.S. agricultural products. Why do not Republicans stand up to the Beijing regime, and stand up for the American farmer? Those Republicans, like Mr. Bush and Mr. Forbes, who have embraced the Clinton-Gore policy of appeasing China with Most Favored Nation trade privileges bear equal responsibility for the Iowa farms that today hover on the brink of bankruptcy. Mr. Bush, Mr. Forbes and Mrs. Dole now say we must open foreign markets. But when you have unilaterally given up total access to your own market, what leverage do you have left to pry open the protected markets of
Re: [CTRL] Release: L.A. shootings
-Caveat Lector- Will Los Angeles shooting be used to restrict the irresponsible media? WASHINGTON, DC -- The tragic shooting at a Jewish community center in Los Angeles this week should not be used as an excuse to restrict the First Amendment, the Libertarian Party said today. Wait a second: The First Amendment? That's right, said the party's national director, Steve Dasbach: After guns, freedom of speech could come under attack because of the latest, highly publicized shooting spree. On Tuesday, a man described as a neo-Nazi walked into a Jewish community center and started shooting. Police say the suspect, Buford Oneal Furrow -- a convicted felon who had tried to commit himself to a psychiatric hospital last year -- wounded five people, including three children, before fleeing. "The people who want to diminish our freedom will use the senseless shooting at the North Valley Jewish Community Center as an excuse to try to further restrict the Second Amendment; that goes without saying," said Dasbach. "But they won't stop there. The First Amendment could be next." Why? Because there is solid evidence that the recent wave of shootings around the USA is being fueled by the sensationalist media coverage. As evidence, Leonard Berkowitz, a University of Wisconsin psychologist, said such public rampages seem to be prompted -- in part, at least -- by the excessive media coverage that surrounds them. "The press are by no means innocent bystanders," said Berkowitz. "They don't only report the news; they make the news." And the Washington Post reported that following the wall-to-wall media coverage of the shootings in Littleton, Colorado in April, "mimicking behavior" was reported in every state except Vermont. "In other words, a case can be made that 'irresponsible' use of the First Amendment is killing people," said Dasbach. "Apparently, every time television networks, radio stations, and newspapers report on these tragedies, more people die." So does the Libertarian Party support curbs on freedom of the press? Of course not, said Dasbach. "Our point is that the urge to trade some liberty for supposed security won't stop with guns. And the media figures who so loudly demand restrictions on the Second Amendment may find their favorite amendment -- the First Amendment -- is next." And, after journalists, the anti-freedom lobby could seek restrictions on cars next -- since the Jewish community center shooting bore an odd resemblance to another murderous rampage that took place in early May 1999. In that incident, a deranged man drove his Cadillac into a preschool playground in Costa Mesa, California in an effort to "execute" children. Tragically, two children were killed. "We have two cases where madmen deliberately targeted children," said Dasbach. "The only difference: One used a gun, and one used an automobile. And the car turned out to be the more lethal weapon. "If one tragedy can be used to argue for anti-gun laws, what's to stop the politicians from using the other tragedy to demand more anti-car laws? It sounds ridiculous -- but so does the theory that restricting the right of law-abiding Americans to bear arms is the best way to protect them against dangerous criminals." Before passing any new laws -- whether outlawing guns, the press, or cars -- politicians should remember that the Constitution describes individual rights as unalienable, meaning they can't be taken away, said Dasbach. "The Bill of Rights isn't conditional on the behavior of crazy people, and millions of law-abiding Americans should not lose their rights because a maniac commits a terrible crime," he said. "Our civil liberties should not be held hostage by criminals like Buford Oneal Furrow." "When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence." - Gary Lloyd DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to
Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia-
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/12/1999 8:37:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have heard terrible stories about that being abused there though. Like they have got carried away and that there are no old people's homes now. I guess with the fight for space it is practical. Could get out of hand don't you think? You're right. It could get out of hand. Mercy killing should not degenerate into a Nazi-style practice to rid society of the old, the infirm and mentally deficient. There have to be controls. Still, I recall my father's last weeks, and I wouldn't put an animal through what he went through. It is only right that doctors be authorized to allow those for whom there is only suffering to slip away quietly. Life and death decisions should never be made for what is practical for the state, family or whatever. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [actionalerts] GWBUSH.COM URGENT PETITION!! (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:07:31 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [actionalerts] GWBUSH.COM URGENT PETITION!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://www.gwbush.com/petition.htm"GWBUSH.COM URGENT PETITION!!/A Free speech on the Web is in danger. To help protect it, GWBUSH.COM is announcing an Internet petition addressed to the FEC and George W Bush. The FEC is about to rule on whether sites with political content will have to go through a complex legal registration process. Bush is pushing for political Web sites to be regulated. Please read and sign the petition, and tell others about it. It is located at: A HREF="http://www.gwbush.com/petition.htm"GWBUSH.COM URGENT PETITION!!/A Thanks!! http://www.gwbush.com/petition.htm = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Israeli Holocaust Against the Palestinian People
-Caveat Lector-
In a message dated 8/12/99 12:42:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Israeli Holocaust Against the Palestinian People
"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."
-- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994
{Editors Note - The Jewish people are the most self centered, bigoted and
racist people on earth. They believe they are the superior race chosen by
God to rule over the cattle of the earth. They believe that non-Jews are
not
fully human. They believe that non-Jews have no more value than cattle.
They
are the quintessential "white? supremacists." Go to this web page (listed
below) and read some of the articles there to see how the Jews have treated
the Palestinians like they were lower than dogs. The "Jews-media" in the
United States covers up the atrocities that are committed by Jews. If an
Arab gets angry and retaliates, the "Jews-media" reports this so-called
terrorist attack on the front page of every major newspaper. Please, open
your mind and learn the truth about the "Israeli Holocaust Against the
Palestinian People."}
Any death is wrong. Must we trot out the old anti-jewish bugaboo yet again?
What you say above are general statements that might well be true for SOME
Jews, just as it is true for SOME whites, and those of other races who are
supremacists for people of their own color. Much of what is being said about
the Jews has no basis in what the Jews actually believe or teach or live by.
Let us not go down this road again. FWIW the way in which Israel is
impacting the Palestinian people is pathetic, in the least and horrid at
worst, since there is killing and degradation. The Palestinians have their
fair share of killers and hate mongers too who would just as soon kill a Jew
as look at him. Generalizations and stereotyping is not conducive to
defending ones position on the matter. Racism which leads to degradation,
debasement, and murder is an evil which unfortunately ALL races share a
measure of.
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[CTRL] Is bin Laden a nuclear power?
-Caveat Lector- Is bin Laden a nuclear power? © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com By JR Nyquist According to Yosef Bodansky, a researcher attached to the House counter-terrorism task force, a Middle East terrorist is now believed to have as many as 20 suitcase nuclear bombs. In addition, this same terrorist is alleged to possess biological and chemical weapons of mass destruction. Supposedly, Chechnyan rebels managed to steal nuclear suitcase bombs from the Russian military. These bombs were then smuggled out of Russia and sold to Osama bin Laden, an international fugitive and terrorist hiding in Afghanistan. Readers may recall that Osama bin Laden is a Saudi national accused of masterminding the Aug. 7, 1998, bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam. These bombings killed 224 people and left over 5,000 injured. Blaming Osama bin Laden for the African bombings, President Clinton launched an air strike against bin Laden's Afghan base camp. This air strike, as Clinton's luck would have it, came shortly after he publicly apologized for the Monica Lewinsky affair. Clinton also ordered an air strike against a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan, claiming it was a chemical weapons factory. More recently, Clinton Administration officials have accused Osama bin Laden of plotting bomb attacks against the United States Embassy and two consulates in India. The U.S. government has offered five million dollars to anyone who provides information leading to bin Laden's arrest or conviction. In Afghanistan bin Laden is considered a war hero for risking his life in the struggle against Moscow's client armies. Therefore, it is not surprising that many Afghans were dismayed at the idea that bin Laden was a threat to America. The pro-Taliban Shariat newspaper noted, "America is a superpower with a strong economy and a strong political system, so why does it have such an obsession for a person who is very weak?" The Taliban judiciary began its own formal investigation into U.S. claims that bin Laden was waging a war of terror against the United States. The three-week inquiry was headed by Afghanistan's chief justice, Noor Muhammed Saqib. Chief Justice Saqib asked the U.S. government to provide evidence so that he could act, but the United States offered no evidence at all. "It is their shame that they have been silent," said an angry Saqib. "Anything that happens now anywhere in the world they blame Osama, but the reality is in the proof -- they have not given us any." At his Friday press conference, Bodanksy cited Russian and Saudi intelligence sources to support his stunning allegations. He also said that Osama bin Laden was attempting to recruit "former Soviet special forces" to operate the bombs behind enemy lines. Bodansky's sources, however, are suspect. One must always treat the claims of Russian officials with near-total skepticism. Can we really believe that the anti-Soviet bin Laden would work closely with former Soviet commandos who were his deadly enemies in the past? And what sort of Russian special forces soldier would assist an anti-Russian terrorist? It is doubtful that any such person has ever existed in the ranks of Soviet or Russian special forces. In the last analysis, it is more likely that Bodansky has been fed false information. The same goes for the Saudis, who have probably been duped by Russian intelligence agents. The idea that a minor terrorist, confined to the wilds of Afghanistan, has obtained a nuclear arsenal that would be the envy of Libya or Iraq -- with their billions -- is absurd on its face. Besides this, the sophistication required to effectively handle weapons of mass destruction belongs only to governments that have billions of dollars and armies of dedicated technical
Re: [CTRL] Gentiles in Danger
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/12/99 6:16:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello PNEALE1, Yes, I've had the gross privilege of viewing a copy of the Talmud... all $666 worth ( that's ironically what it sells for at Zondervan ) and you're right it is a very scary document... wonder if it could be authored by those same ones who call themselves the 'Elders of Zion' ... ? the same ones who CLAIM that the document is "forged" ? h? A forgery requires a real document to have been forged / counterfeited from. So who are they trying to fool with that argument? Certainly no one with any common sense. As far as the world being better off without both groups, i.e. Jews and Muslims, I have to disagree. Christ said to leave the tares alone, (See Matthew 13:22-43) and allow them to grow with the wheat for the time being. So if you perceive the Jews and Muslims as something that should be removed, i.e. "tares" for example, just give it a little more time... For when the appointed time comes, Christ has said that HE and His angels will take care of them, by throwing them into the fire. And what becomes of anything thrown to the fire? It becomes ashes on the sides of the pit, and of no further consequence. eagle 1 Yes, God will make the choices and he will judge, at least according to your philosophy. And won't you be surprised if you are the one that is ashes and others go on to glory. I'm sure God just loves it every time you let off a little racist steam against the "vermin" Jews and Muslims. How about the "damned Asians" surely they won't see glory either? Incidentally the Protocols are not a forgery of an original document they are a total fabrication a complete fiction devised in Russia by the Tsar's secret police. That should clear up that troublesome "forgery" business, since there is no original for it to be a forgery of. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Gentiles in Danger
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/12/99 5:42:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know if you have ever looked at the Talmud but, it is a very scary work. The Talmud supersedes the Bible for Jews. The Talmud IS the Jewish Holy Book. The Talmud says: gentiles are animals. We are told in the Talmud that the Torah (Genesis thru Deutoronomy) only applies to Jews. It is OK to swindle or kill a gentile. It is there in black and white. Jews cannot deny that. I was specifically told by an orthodox Jew within the past 50 days that it is illegal for gentiles to have abortions but ONLY because of the 7th of the Noahide laws stating that you shall not sever the limb of a living ANIMAL. What animal? The fetus. The fetus is an animal. IT IS LEGAL FOR JEWS TO HAVE ABORTIONS. As far as I am concerned the requirement upon Muslims to slaughter infidels (Jihad) and the Jewish classification of gentiles as animals, to be killed and swindled, are equivalent. Both groups are clearly extremely dangerous and the world would be safer without them. I doubt very much that you have actually READ the Talmud. It sounds as though you are just repeating what someone TOLD you the Talmud said. More AntiJewish bullshit. Remember too that the Talmud is a product of different sociological times. It is a product of another culture, far removed in time. So even if it DID say what you think it says that would mean nothing for today. The Pentateuch is the holy book for Jews, it is the supreme law for them and since it contains the 10 commandments presumably the Jews must not murder us, or covet our things, etc. . . This is just vitriolic racism and as such has no place here on this list. Consider this a warning (I am a moderator here). Please try and not accept what is spoonfed to you by bigotted racists and actually do some research for yourself, you might be surprised by what you find. . .like the Holocaust actually DID occur!!! Amazing. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] PENTAGON TO ISSUE NEW GUIDELINES CONCERNING GAYS IN MILITARY [drudge]
-Caveat Lector- "The preservation of the sacred fire of liberty and the destiny of the republican model of government are justly considered deeply, finally, staked on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people." George Washington, First Inaugural Address, Apr. 30, 1789 X DRUDGE REPORT X THURSDAY, AUGUST 12, 1999 21:52:22 ET X PENTAGON TO ISSUE NEW GUIDELINES CONCERNING GAYS IN MILITARY The Pentagon on Friday will issue "broad new guidelines" intended to end abuses of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, including limits on investigations of people in uniform who are suspected of being gay, the NEW YORK TIMES is reporting in fresh editions. The guidelines "will require that troops receive anti-gay harassment training throughout their careers, beginning with boot camp." Developing... http://www.drudgereport.com/matt1.htm Bard DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- Here's another version. Regards, Nicky Straykat wrote: I was recently sent a post concerning 'The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion', and that they are the blue print for a world conspiracy. Below is my response to the use of these forgeries to bring about anti Semitism. Straykat wrote: Dear Mary, The Protocols, of which I have 2 copies, are something I have been very familiar with for the last 12 years. I have also read the material that states these documents are fakes. As you stated in the message below these documents are not fakes but are a true "blue print" for the taking over of society and to usher in a global socialist state. I have done research into the background and origin of these documents, and they are a lot older than 100 years. In actual fact they date back to the time of the Crusades somewhere around the 12th Century. The documents as we have them today are not a copy of the originals but an altered variant, a counterfeit perpetrated by the intelligence community of Czarist Russia, under Nicholas II. Nicholas II, however was persuaded that they were a forgery and denounced them as a pollutant to the pure cause of anti Semetism. The Czarist intelligence agent most likely responsible for this forgery was, Poytr Rachkovsky. Rachkovsky specialised in forgery and agent provocateurs, and under took this task apparently to bring about a purge of Jewish citizenry in Russia. These documents then did not resurface until the rise of Nazism and were used by Hitler to further his anti Semitic cause. The documents themselves originated from the Latin/Frankish Kingdom of the Holy Land after the Crusaders won it back from the Islamic Saracens in 1099 AD. The first king, Godfroi de Bouillon, apparently was the direct descendant of the Merovingian Blood Line of France. The origins of this kingdom and the choosing of its first king were an unknown mystical order of monks which came from Calabria. This kingdom was named 'Outremer', and was founded by the monastic order called, The Priory of Sion. Their abbey which was supposedly built upon the the tomb of King David, was called, 'Prieure de Notre Dame du Mont de Sion', or in english, 'The Abbey of the Order of Mount Zion'. This order then spawned another monastic military order to protect this bloodline, called, 'The Order of the Temple', or commonly referred to as 'The Knights Templar'. Both of these orders are the ancestors of all modern day secret societies and their dogmas. The Knights Templar, although answerable only to the Pope through the intervention of Bernard of Clairveaux, along with the Priory of Sion, were a law unto themselves. Their religious philosophy was a mixture of Roman Christianity and Pagan Tradition, Judaic Kabbalism, Islamic mysticism, and Cathari mysticism. The so called plot for world domination was the blue print of the Priory of Sion, thus the documents to which you refer were written by the 'Elders of Sion'. They were a Gentile Monastic Order that incorporated Pharisaic, Judaic Kabbalism. So the theory behind the Protocols being a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world is incorrect. It is a Gentlie/Kabblistic conspiracy, and its political arm is Humanistic Socialism. The reason for this conspiracy dates back to the time of Jesus himself. It is believed by these Societies, that the wedding feast at Canna was that of Jesus to Mary of Magdalene. It is believed that Jesus was the True Priest King of Israel and not the 'Son of God', but the High Priest to the 'Sun God, Baal' or the Egyptian version, 'Amon Ra'. After the crucifixion, out of fear of the the Jewish rulers, which in fact were not Jews but Herodians, a believing Pharisee, Joseph of Arimethea, smuggled Mary and her child out of Judea and settled in France. It is believed that the bloodline of this child resulted in the Merovingian Kingdom of France. This kingdoms last true blood ruler was that of Dagobert II. After Dagobert their were half cast kings who were weak and eventually the monarchy was usurped by the Carolingians. However, it is believed that the blood line from Dagobert II went underground and his descendants were known as the Hermit Kings. After the failure of their uprising against Louis II in 881 AD, they were exiled to Brittany. The bloodline then fled to England in 914 AD, as a result of the Viking raids. Bera IV, descendant of Dagobert II, became an architect and his descendants practised the 'Art of Building' (Masonry). Hughes, son of Jean I, and great, great grandson to Bera IV, married Agnes, Countess of Jumiege. Hughes died in 1015 and Agnes remarried to Ernicule, the Count of Boulogne, consequently Hughes descendants (The Royal Bloodline) became the 'Counts of Boulogne'. Hughes great grandson was, Godfroi de Bouillon, Duke of Lower Lorraine, King of Jerusalem and founder of the
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Late Breaking News About Frank Sinatra
From: Daniel Hopsicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] After publishing a chapter of our work in progress in the DrugMoney Times, we got an interesting call from Nixon Cabinet member Myles Ambrose, responding finally to requests for clarification of his relationship with Texas Rancher Richmond Harper... "Frank is dead now. we can talk." "We tried to warn him [Ambrose], stated one Customs official at the time. Tell him that this guy [Harper] is bad. He wouldn't listen." (Ambrose's visits to Harper were also discovered in 1976 by the House banking subcommittee investigating the Texas rent-a-bank scandal.) When we reached him to ask him about this, Ambrose was emphatic in telling us he had only ever visited the Harper ranch once. He related the background of how it had indeed been he who had shepherded the establishment of the DEA through Congress. I got to Top oNeill, he told us. And that kept the partisan stuff out. Oh, to have been a fly on the wall in that negotiation, we thought to ourselves. A former Customs Agent who had worked for him described Ambrose as a fearsome autocrat. I was the top graduate in my class at the Tressury Department, he told us. I wasnt afraid of anyone or anybody. But my first day in Washington I learned just how much fear Ambrose had instilled in people. He was an Orangemanyou know what that isa follower of William of Orange? Well he took it so seriously that no one in Customs was allowed to wear green. And my first day on the jobnot knowing thisI had on a green tie, and he came over and read me the riot act. This agents anecdote came to mind as we found ourselves, in our interview with him, feeling Mr. Ambroses displeasure at the thrust of certain of our questions. Then, finding himself out of sympathy with our speculations about the true nature of the pie being carved up, Mr. Ambrose became eager to share with us his thoughts on the involvement in the drug trade by the folks on the other side of the aisle. I was with Treasury back in the late Fifties, when Bobby Kennedy was running the Kefauver Committee Hearings on Organized Crime, he told us. and I know for a fact that there was a yellow sheet (investigative report) done on a meeting in Havana where Meyer Lansky gave two kilos of heroin to Frank Sinatra to bring back to the States so he (Sinatra) would have a little walking-around money. But because Sinatra was helping Kennedy get elected, his brother removed all reference to this from the Committees report. -- Daniel Hopsicker The Drug Money Times http://www.MadCowProd.com "All the news that's ripped from print!" Scandal in contemporary U.S. life is an institutionalized sociological phenomenon. It is not due primarily to psychopathological variables, but is due to the institutionalization of elite wrongdoing which has occcurred since 1963." "Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S. since 1963 are fundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people and institutions have been involved." --Prof.David Simon, "Elite Deviance 6th edition --- ONElist Sponsor ONElist: the best place to EXPLORE topics, SHARE ideas, and CONNECT to people with the same interests.
Re: [CTRL] [actionalerts] GWBUSH.COM URGENT PETITION!! (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: -Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:07:31 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [actionalerts] GWBUSH.COM URGENT PETITION!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://www.gwbush.com/petition.htm"GWBUSH.COM URGENT PETITION!!/A Free speech on the Web is in danger. To help protect it, GWBUSH.COM is announcing an Internet petition addressed to the FEC and George W Bush. The FEC is about to rule on whether sites with political content will have to go through a complex legal registration process. Bush is pushing for political Web sites to be regulated. Please read and sign the petition, and tell others about it. It is located at: A HREF="http://www.gwbush.com/petition.htm"GWBUSH.COM URGENT PETITION!!/A Thanks!! http://www.gwbush.com/petition.htm Another humorless rich fuck throwing a tantrum when things don't go exactly as he wishes. Since he can't buy the Internet, as he could in the case of an offending newspaper, he's using the Con's machinery to stifle free expression. -- Mark McHugh Will Dubya's campaign theme song be "White Line Fever"? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: DiNardo/Mossad-JFK Jr. Crash/Chamish on LA Shootings
MOSSAD/CLINTON: JFK Jr. Plane Sabotage ~~ by John DiNardo Aug. 7, 1999 Texe Marrs, in his weekly shortwave radio show, tonight, Aug 7th, reports that a bomb exploded in the tail section of John F. Kennedy's airplane. The show, POWER OF PROPHECY, is broadcast over 5.070 megahertz shortwave at 8 PM EST. Here is an excerpt, transcribed from the tape recording that I made of the broadcast: TEXE MARRS [www.texemarrs.com]: I believe that, at the request of the Clintons, John F. Kennedy Jr. was assassinated. You have to understand that Ehud Barak, the new Prime minister of Israel, was put into office by Bill Clinton. Clinton sent his political advisors over to depose Netanyahu and to set up Mr. Barak. Now, I'm reading from the Jerusalem Post of July 30, 1999, page 30, an article, by Sarah Kohning[sp], entitled "BETRAYED". She says: "Bill Clinton can now begin to rake in the tangible rewards of his hefty investment in Mr. Barak." She goes on to write, in this Jerusalem Post article that, "Hillary Clinton will be helped in winning Jewish votes in her upcoming U.S. Senate race in New York. Much good can accrue from Barak's visit." Israel's Prime Minister Barak visited the United States on the very week in which John F. Kennedy Jr. was assassinated ... this man Barak, whom Bill and Hillary Clinton put in office. What plot did they hatch? What approval was gained? Listen to the second half of this program tonight, and I think you will understand. Now, I also have the INCREDIBLY revealing Internet report from Barry Chamish: http://www.webseers.com/rabin/index.htm who is the author of "TRAITORS AND CARPETBAGGERS IN THE PROMISED LAND: A Journal of Israel's Betrayal". Barry Chamish is an Israeli citizen. He is a Jewish investigator. And let me tell you what he said. He said he believes also that it was the Israeli spy agency [the Mossad] that HIT John F. Kennedy Jr. In fact, Barry Chamish goes on to say that John F. Kennedy Jr. was about to meet high-ranking Mossad officers to get the full story on the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Rabin. Barry Chamish also says that it was John F. Kennedy Jr. who ran a thirteen-page expos'e on the Israeli secret service's involvement in the assassination of their own Prime Minister, Yitzhak Rabin, who was not moving fast enough in bringing [so-called] "peace" and the New World Order to the Middle East. But NOW, Rabin is dead. Netanyahu has been deposed. Barak is there, in power. And now, Bill and Hillary Clinton have said to Barak : Now, in exchange for us placing you in the very seat of power in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, Mr. Barak, we have a dirty little chore for you to do [sabotage JFK Jr.'s airplane]. Is that what happened? Well, you need to understand about the [two] battling factions inside Israel. [END OF EXCERPT] Texe Marrs went on to say that John F. Kennedy Jr. had been approached by the powerful men who run the New York State Democratic Party machine, and these men had offered to back John F. Kennedy Jr. in the campaign for the U.S. Senate seat. Additionally, JFK Jr. had strong support from the Orthodox Jewish faction in Israel, which was and is in fierce competition with the liberal Jewish faction, the latter being supported by President Bill and Co-President Hillary Clinton. Bill and Hillary were cashing in their I.O.U. by getting Prime Minister Barak ... who was COINCIDENTALLY visiting the Clinton White House during the week that John F. Kennedy's plane had crashed ... by getting Barak and his faction of the Israeli spy agency, the Mossad, to create the accidental plane crash of the man who was a threat to the liberal faction in Israel. This liberal Israeli faction is, and has been, in a power struggle with the Orthodox Jewish faction who want no part of the Middle East Peace Plan. The Orthodox Jewish faction had, some few weeks before the plane crash, met with John F. Kennedy Jr. in Canada, and had agreed to finance his sagging GEORGE Magazine business. MOREOVER, Texe Marrs reports that, on Labor Day, a symbolically opportune holiday for the Democratic Party, John F. Kennedy Jr. was going to announce his candidacy for the U.S. Senate seat from the State of New York. Again, he had solid backing from the Wagner clan and the other power brokers who control the state Democratic party. These people were offended that Hillary, on the outs with them, would dare to seize upon the Senate seat that they owned. This Hillary factor appears to be the major reason why the New York power clique wanted to launch JFK Jr. He was on their side all the way. His uncle, Robert F. Kennedy, had been the U.S. Senator from New York. And so, the wheels were set in motion to put the brakes on John F. Kennedy Jr. before he could announce his candidacy to the world, for the task of his demise would have been EXTREMELY problematic had
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- Interesting angle that the Protocols originate with the Merovingian Priory of Sion. I still find little to affirm that they are any older than Czarist Russia, but the point is well made that this is NOT an original copy of a Jewish document describing the way in which they will rule the world, NEITHER is it a forgery of any document that the Jews wrote, since no Jewish "original" ever existed. It MAY be a genuine document outlining the Priory of Sion's plans, the plans of WHITE Europeans, or an altered or "forged" version thereof, BUT it has no connection to the Jews, other than as a propaganda vehicle for anti-Jewish activity. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
