[CTRL] CAS: NA: Clinton's to blame for Taiwan crisis (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Not for Commercial Use Peter Zhang: Clinton's to blame for Taiwan crisis Source: The New Australian Published: No. 130, 16-22 Aug. 1999 Author: Peter Zhang There is no doubt in Asia that Clinton is solely responsible for the Taiwan crisis. That an American president could be so incredibly stupid in his dealings with Beijing leaves Asian leaders both stunned and filled with contempt for the Oval Office. I have tried to stress that the Clinton's administration is a foreign policy disaster. And its most disastrous failures have been in China. Instead of working to strengthen China's reformist trends it has acted to strengthen its militaristic tendencies by rewarding bad behaviour. The more Chinese militarists behaved badly the more the Clinton administration did everything within its power to minimise their threat to American security. The administration deliberately, and criminally, ignored Beijing's acquisition of weapons of mass destruction, its rapid attempts to try and modernise its armed services, the mischievous role it has played in nuclear proliferation, its application of US high-tech imports to military uses. As I said elsewhere, the effect of brushing aside China's reformists in favour of appeasing Chinese militarists is to strengthen them at the expense of US security. Rewarding bad behaviour guarantees more of the same. This is why China is now engaged in a fierce sabre rattling exercise over Taiwan. As usual, most Western commentators have missed the vital point. China's aggressive noises are warnings to the rest of Asia and are signalling how much the regime holds the US in contempt. How the US reacts to these signals could have political and military repercussions for many years to come. Already the signs are bad. I pointed out last week that Admiral Dennis Blair's irresponsible comment that the US should not defend Taiwan would encourage Beijing to become even more bellicose. And that is precisely what happened. No wonder the rest of Asia is appalled by White House stupidity. Does this mean an invasion of Taiwan? Not in my opinion. Two fundamentals must be borne in mind. The first is the fact that for sometime China has been working to undermine American influence in the region. By showing that America is a "paper tiger", "an ally without courage", as one official put it to me, Beijing hopes to weaken the regional powers' faith in America's willingness to stand by its allies by standing up to Chinese threats. At the moment it appears it will definitely have some success, thanks to White House cowardice over Taiwan. In other words, the sabre rattling is part of Beijing's political war against the US. I have stated before that it is Beijing's prime long term aim to drive America out of Asia and then virtually out of the Pacific, at least as far back as the Hawaiian islands. As I wrote two months ago the consensus among China's political elite is that America is in a state of terminal moral and political decline1, and that this will eventually be reflected in American political power shrinking in absolute terms. It is believed that this decline will be preceded by an increasing inability to project military power. This is why Beijing believes time is on its side. (Ironically, Clinton's election wins only succeeded in reinforcing this dismal political prognosis, as has the insane process of 'feminising' the US military). Unfortunately, Clinton and his coterie of '60s misfits are literally incapable of truly understanding any of this. It simply does not fit their 'liberal' mindset. So why should China ruin its long term plans by attacking Taiwan and thus bring the wrath of the US Congress down on its head? And it is Congress, not Clinton, that it fears. It knows that though Clinton is a coward an angry Congress could force him to act. Regardless of the damage Clinton and his appointees have done to the American military, Beijing still has a lot of respect for what's left. This brings us to the other fundamental the true state of the PLA. A PLA general claimed that they could "roll up Taiwan in 10 days." This is pure bravado and he knows it. Though China has about 2.5 million troops, its equipment is largely obsolete. Compare this with Taiwan's 400,000 troops, highly trained and motivated, equipped with the latest hardware and backed up by a huge reserve of trained personnel. Any attempt to cross the Taiwan Strait would therefore inflict the kind of massive losses on China's armed services that no government could survive. As a token military gesture the PLA could try and invade one of the outlying islands, Kinmen perhaps. But though success would be guaranteed the losses would probably be politically unacceptable and certainly militarily embarrassing. There will be no invasion of Taiwan. But America will, thanks to Clinton, have suffered another political defeat in the region, which brings us to the Democrats. This is the party that Beijing wants to
[CTRL] FBI and DOJ Botched China-Nuke Case (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nypostonline.com/news/12129.htm New York Post August 15, 1999 SENATE: FBI AND JUSTICE BOTCHED CHINA-NUKE CASE By DEBORAH ORIN WASHINGTON - The chief suspect in revealing top U.S. nuclear secrets to China, Wen Ho Lee, flunked a lie-detector test last February, a new congressional report says. But the 30-page report also says any case against Lee - who hasn't been charged - was "flawed from the outset" because officials identified several other suspects but didn't investigate them. Lee appeared on the CBS program "60 Minutes" on Sunday and emphatically denied passing secrets, claiming he was actually trying to protect secrets that he downloaded into his own unclassified computed. But the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee report says Lee was asked during an FBI polygraph test whether he had ever passed specific nuclear secrets "to any unauthorized person." "Wen Ho Lee failed this polygraph test," it says. Lee told "60 Minutes" that he was being racially scapegoated and blamed for the leaks because he's Asian-American - a claim that Energy Secretary Bill Richardson blasted as improperly playing "the race card." Lee was fired from his top-secret job last March but hasn't been charged, and it is unclear whether he will be after the botched probe. The report also details a series of goofs and miscommunications by the FBI, Attorney General Janet Reno and her staff that hurt the probe of how China got secrets that could vastly improve its nuclear arms. The probe "was not a comedy of errors but a tragedy of errors," said Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.), the panel's ranking Democrat. "There was a shocking lack of thoroughness, competency and urgency in the government's investigation." The committee chairman, Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.), said Reno was mostly "out of the loop" on a probe that she should have seen as vital to national security. The report says that the FBI and Department of Energy, which oversees the Los Alamos (N.M.) nuclear lab, where Lee and his wife worked, focused almost exclusively on them, although there were other suspects. Those others also had access to nuclear secrets, traveled to China and had contacts with visiting Chinese scientists, the report says. Through bungling and miscommunications, the FBI was stymied in getting Justice Department approval to search Lee's computer, although he had apparently agreed to the search four years before. Possibly for the first time ever, the report says, the Justice Department refused to help the FBI get a wiretap - agents were seeking to eavesdrop on Lee. Critics have also questioned when President Clinton was informed of possible Chinese spying and why his administration was so slow to react. During Clinton's 1996 re-election campaign, Democrats got - and later returned - megabucks in illegal campaign cash with Chinese links. Copyright 1999 NYP Holdings, Inc. All rights reserved. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Korean Unification March
-Caveat Lector- (Organized by Sun Myung Moon of the K-CIA?) S.Korea Police Block March to North By KYONG-HWA SEOK .c The Associated Press SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - Armed with tear gas launchers and water cannons, South Korean riot police blocked thousands of leftist students from marching to the border with North Korea Sunday to promote national unification. After a rally at Seoul National University, several hundred students confronted 8,000 riot police at the school's main gate at nightfall. About 200 students lay on the pavement, shouting: ``Let's accomplish unification!'' Several students were seen hurling fist-sized rocks at police, who did not respond with their tear gas and water cannons. No serious clashes were reported. The students were among about 5,000 leftists who gathered at the university demanding unification of the rival Koreas. The rally was part of activities marking the 54th anniversary of Korea's liberation from Japan's colonial rule in 1945. Authorities deployed 13,000 police around the school and along a highway leading to the border, 35 miles away, as the leftists had planned to attend a North Korea-sponsored rally there. The Seoul rally was one of the largest in recent years. Government officials expressed concern that the leftist student movement, which has waned significantly in recent years, may gather momentum. Earlier, the students held a boisterous campus rally, during which they demanded the withdrawal of 37,000 U.S. troops in South Korea, arguing their presence hinders unification. In a separate government-sanctioned pro-unification event, 60,000 South Koreans formed a ``human unification belt,'' a 30-mile chain of people holding hands along a highway from Seoul to the gateway to the border. At the border village of Panmunjom, several hundred North Koreans held a rally calling for unifying the two Koreas under a system that would leave their different systems intact, the North's official Korean Central News Agency said. The border rally, an annual event for the past decade or so, was the highlight of a North Korean celebration of the Aug. 15 Korean Independence Day. South Korea bars its citizens from participating in the rally, which it regards as anti-Seoul propaganda. Past efforts by students to attend it touched off violent clashes with police. The Korean peninsula was partitioned into the communist North and the capitalist South in 1945 with Japan's defeat in World War II. The North and the South are still technically at war, having signed no peace treaty at the end of the 1950-1953 Korean War. People of the two Koreas cannot visit the other side without government approval, which is rarely given. South Korea celebrated the holiday by calling for peace and freeing, among others, 56 political prisoners, including seven North Korean spies. The 56 were among 1,742 convicts set free under a sweeping presidential amnesty. The amnesty also affected 1,115 others who were convicted earlier but have been free on parole. They had their civil rights restored or their criminal records erased. In a nationally televised Independence Day speech, President Kim Dae-jung urged North Korea to accept talks to discuss peace. He denounced North Korea for seeking to deal directly with the United States, while avoiding official dialogue with South Korea. North Korea shuns official dialogue with the Seoul government, which it regards as a U.S. puppet. Despite North Korea's intransigent and hostile stance, the South Korean leader said he will continue to push his policy of engagement with the North's Stalinist regime. Opponents criticize Kim's so-called ``sunshine'' policy as coddling North Korea. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Oil vs.Oil
-Caveat Lector- Iraq and Venezuela -- threat to the global oil cartel's exorbitant profits. Cheap Oil Imports Irk US Producers By WALTER R. MEARS .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) - Back when Americans were coping with the energy crisis, the idea that there could someday be a trade complaint against cheap oil imports would have gotten anyone laughed out of the line at the gasoline pump. But there's just been one, the charge by small U.S. producers that four exporting nations dumped cut-rate oil on the market in violation of American trade laws, depressing their prices and crippling their business. The Commerce Department dismissed their case on Monday. By the time it was filed, the market had turned up, after two years of plunging prices. World prices, which slumped because of slackening demand and overflow supplies, have been increasing. The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries agreed on production curbs to push up prices. Demand is going up, too, and the Energy Department expects higher world oil prices to hold for the rest of this year and all of 2000. The Paris-based International Energy Agency says the oil glut of 1998 is yielding to tightening markets in 2000. At the same time, U.S. oil imports are expected to increase. Twenty-five years ago, when the Arab oil embargo choked supplies, led to those lines at the gasoline pump and sent prices up four times over, oil imports accounted for 36 percent of U.S. consumption. President Nixon said the United States should produce and conserve its way to energy self-sufficiency by 1980. Instead, imports went up, past 40 percent when President Carter declared the moral equivalent of war against the energy crisis of the late 1970s. Conservation efforts begun in that era have made the nation more energy efficient. But demand, and diminishing domestic production, have made it more reliant on imports. In 1990, Congress voted to declare that 50 percent dependence on imported oil was the peril point for national security. Four years later, imports exceeded half of U.S. use for the first time. The estimate now is 56 percent, and increasing. According to the Energy Department, net imports could account for nearly 70 percent of U.S. consumption by 2020. No crisis, though, so no issue, except for the complaint of the small oilmen and their congressional allies, who want legislation to help them stay in business. There are House and Senate bills to do it with tax breaks and other incentives. A $246 million tax break for small producers is part of the Republican tax cut, passed by Congress but bound for a veto when it gets to President Clinton. By Energy Department estimate, U.S. oil consumption is expected to increase by nearly 3 percent this year and next. But domestic oil production is forecast to decline by 3.7 percent this year and an additional 1.1 percent in 2000. The independent producers who lodged the cheap oil complaint argued that Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Venezuela and Iraq had been dumping cheap oil in violation of U.S. trade laws, at the expense of their business. The group called Save Domestic Oil Inc. sought to trigger anti-dumping laws, which could have led to steep tariffs on about 60 percent of the oil imported into the United States. It was rejected for lack of broad support in the oil industry; and while the independent group said it would appeal, that would take years. The American Petroleum Institute, representing major producers, had opposed the trade move by the independents. ``There is no question that low world oil prices have seriously harmed U.S. producers, their workers and related industries,'' the API said after the case was dismissed. ``Many thousands of people have lost their jobs and many firms have been shut down. But these low prices were set by the forces of supply and demand in international markets, not by alleged unfair pricing.'' Those markets can pump prices up, too. That's been the more customary American complaint about foreign producers. EDITOR'S NOTE - Walter R. Mears, vice president and columnist for The Associated Press, has reported on Washington and national politics for more than 30 years. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL
[CTRL] Fw: Shocking Conspiracy Verification [NOT]
-Caveat Lector- Was it Buford's Father at the Air Force Base? -Original Message- From: Ray Heizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.government.abuse,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.conspiracy Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 2:22 AM Subject: Re: Shocking Conspiracy Verification [NOT] JRW Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1] wrote: Forwarded Post: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DAVID GROSSACK) Subject: shocking conspiracy verification Date: Sun, 15 Aug 99 23:42:13 GMT Barry Chamish is a journalist who tackles tough stories. He isn't afraid of anything. His latest exploration appears to enter the terrifying world of government mind control and its possible connection with the horrible atrocity in Granada Hills. Chamish has traced Buford Farrow's e-mail account through Lycos. It came back [EMAIL PROTECTED] The provider is US Defense Information Systems Agency, Defense Data Network, according to Lycos. I printed out and saved the information. Buford Farrow appears to have a military intelligence connection. The Manchurian Candidate scenario looks accurate. It indeed may be a criminal regime we live under. This raises issues about Columbine and other high profile shootings. Something is very, very wrong. People with ideas and opinions about this should e-mail privately. - - -- Here's a bit more research on this matter from someone who took the time to do a bit more digging: From: Tom Acree [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CAS: The USG's Furrowed Brow Date: Sun, Aug 15, 1999, 2:34 PM A quick comment on this NewsHawk piece; it's what I see as a failing of "Internet Journalism"-- an intelligent researcher working with inadequate resources and jumping too quickly to conclusions: On Sunday, 15 Aug 1999, Edward W. Zehr wrote: Slid over the transom while I wasn't looking: [Snip of an interesting reminder that there are enough John Does running around to form their own government employees union g.] 8.13.99 BUFORD FURROW HAS A MILITARY EMAIL ADDRESS! 1999 NewsHawk Inc. Using the Lycos 'WHO/WHERE" search system for "BUFORD FURROW" we turned up the following response, which reveals some VERY interesting information about Buford Furrow, SUPPOSEDLY the mass shooter responsible for maiming 5 at the Granada Hills, Cal. Jewish Center and killing a mailman. The wacko who shot the kids was "allegedly" Buford Furrow Junior. His father Buford Furrow Senior is retired from the US Air Force. Wouldn't be a big surprise if Senior's former e-mail address at McChord AFB was still in the search engines. Lots of military live here in the Olympia area, which is in easy commuting range of McChord AFB and the army's Ft. Lewis. Junior apparently lived with his parents for a few months not too long ago, but that seems more related to his failing mental health than any deep conspiracy. One of Rush's recent substitutes (Hannity?), I think, covered Junior's attempt to have himself committed in Seattle. He was afraid he was going to snap; the hospital seriously didn't want him around, particularly after he tried to knife a hospital employee What's a poor looney got to do to get fitted for a straitjacket these days, anyway? NewsHawk did OK with the search engines, but should have dug a bit deeper. Imho, the first name "Buford" is archaic enough that he or she should have at least suspected there was a "Senior" running around somewhere. (It's a good name and all, but it could be rough to grow up with ;-).) Regards to all, Tom DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Lloyd: Where's the beef on Buford Furrow
-Caveat Lector- Lloyd: When I first received this forwarded post, I was hoping for a final refutation of the claims of NewsHawk regarding the connection of Buford Furrow (Jr. Or Sr.) and the United States government. Sadly, I was disappointed. There is still a connection, apparently, through Furrow Sr. In any case, where's the beef from the nay sayers? Edward + At 08:08 AM 8/16/1999 -0400, you wrote: Was it Buford's Father at the Air Force Base? -Original Message- From: Ray Heizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.government.abuse,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.conspiracy Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 2:22 AM Subject: Re: Shocking Conspiracy Verification [NOT] JRW Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1] wrote: Forwarded Post: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DAVID GROSSACK) Subject: shocking conspiracy verification Date: Sun, 15 Aug 99 23:42:13 GMT Barry Chamish is a journalist who tackles tough stories. He isn't afraid of anything. His latest exploration appears to enter the terrifying world of government mind control and its possible connection with the horrible atrocity in Granada Hills. Chamish has traced Buford Farrow's e-mail account through Lycos. It came back [EMAIL PROTECTED] The provider is US Defense Information Systems Agency, Defense Data Network, according to Lycos. I printed out and saved the information. Buford Farrow appears to have a military intelligence connection. The Manchurian Candidate scenario looks accurate. It indeed may be a criminal regime we live under. This raises issues about Columbine and other high profile shootings. Something is very, very wrong. People with ideas and opinions about this should e-mail privately. - - -- Here's a bit more research on this matter from someone who took the time to do a bit more digging: From: Tom Acree [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CAS: The USG's Furrowed Brow Date: Sun, Aug 15, 1999, 2:34 PM A quick comment on this NewsHawk piece; it's what I see as a failing of "Internet Journalism"-- an intelligent researcher working with inadequate resources and jumping too quickly to conclusions: On Sunday, 15 Aug 1999, Edward W. Zehr wrote: Slid over the transom while I wasn't looking: [Snip of an interesting reminder that there are enough John Does running around to form their own government employees union g.] 8.13.99 BUFORD FURROW HAS A MILITARY EMAIL ADDRESS! 1999 NewsHawk Inc. Using the Lycos 'WHO/WHERE" search system for "BUFORD FURROW" we turned up the following response, which reveals some VERY interesting information about Buford Furrow, SUPPOSEDLY the mass shooter responsible for maiming 5 at the Granada Hills, Cal. Jewish Center and killing a mailman. The wacko who shot the kids was "allegedly" Buford Furrow Junior. His father Buford Furrow Senior is retired from the US Air Force. Wouldn't be a big surprise if Senior's former e-mail address at McChord AFB was still in the search engines. Lots of military live here in the Olympia area, which is in easy commuting range of McChord AFB and the army's Ft. Lewis. Junior apparently lived with his parents for a few months not too long ago, but that seems more related to his failing mental health than any deep conspiracy. One of Rush's recent substitutes (Hannity?), I think, covered Junior's attempt to have himself committed in Seattle. He was afraid he was going to snap; the hospital seriously didn't want him around, particularly after he tried to knife a hospital employee What's a poor looney got to do to get fitted for a straitjacket these days, anyway? NewsHawk did OK with the search engines, but should have dug a bit deeper. Imho, the first name "Buford" is archaic enough that he or she should have at least suspected there was a "Senior" running around somewhere. (It's a good name and all, but it could be rough to grow up with ;-).) Regards to all, Tom Click here for 4 FREE TRIAL ISSUES of Sports Illustrated! If you're satisfied, your subscription will continue at the guaranteed lowest rate of $.75 an issue for 52 issues! http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/678 Join the move to end modern-day slavery. Check out (http://members.xoom.com/abolitionist) for more details "From the rage of today's downtrodden comes the revenge of tomorrow's revolutionary force. " Edward Britton + http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Reality Pump: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Reality_Pump2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used
Re: [CTRL] Bush Refuses to Answer Rumors of Cocaine
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/15/1999 9:03:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The voters need to send a message to this family-WE DO NOT WANT YOU!! If the voters of this country have a conscience, then "write in " a candidate on your ballot. Show the politicians that we will not stand for their lousy qualities! The question of whether Shrub ever used cocaine is not really the important question, and I notice the media is beginning to focus almost exclusively on it. What we should really be investigating is what he has done as Governor of Texas. That, much more than the possibility of his ever using cocaine, is the thermometer that will tell us just what kind of president he might make. I don't trust any of the Bush family, but in particular I distrust their always sidestepping the important questions by handing the media a "chewy." Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FEMA America's Secret Goverment
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.heartsongs.org/FEMA.htm A HREF="http://www.heartsongs.org/FEMA.htm"FEMA America's Secret Goverment/A - FEMA: The Secret Government By Harry V. Martin with research assistance from David Caul Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the United States. It is not an elected body; it does not involve itself in public disclosures; and it even has a quasi-secret budget in the billions of dollars. This government organization has more power than the President of the United States or the Congress. It has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial. It can seize property, food supplies, transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution. Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order. No, it is not the U.S. military nor the Central Intelligence Agency; they are subject to Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the Richard Nixon Administration, it was refined by President Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald Reagan and George Bush Administrations. FEMA had one original concept when it was createdto assure the survivability of the United States government in the event of a nuclear attack on this nation. It was also provided with the task of being a federal coordinating body during times of domestic disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and hurricanes. Its awesome powers grew under the tutelage of people like Lt. Col. Oliver North and General Richard Secord, the architects on the Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of Americas savings and loan institutions. FEMA has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a rag-tag, often considered neo-Nazi, civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if the Guard is called to duty overseas. The most powerful organization in the United States Though it may be the most powerful organization in the United States, many people dont know it even exists. But it has crept into our private lives. Even mortgage papers contain FEMAs name in small print if the property in question is near a flood plain. FEMA was deeply involved in the Los Angeles riots and the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area. Some of the black helicopter traffic reported throughout the United States, but mainly in the West, California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Colorado, are flown by FEMA personnel. FEMA has been given responsibility for many new disasters including urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee situations, urban riots, and emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. In the West, it works in conjunction with the Sixth Army. FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry. Congress is bypassed. Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies, the bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergencyforeign or domestic. Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMAs Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMAs role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMAs powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate: The National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities; the 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy; the
[CTRL] OEN 8/16/99
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Today's Lesson From [a letter to his sister] (Bonn, 1865) by Friedrich Nietzsche ...is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots--what is considered truth in the circle of one's relatives and of many good men, and what, moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one's feelings and even one's conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? Is it decisive after all that we arrive at that view of God, world, and reconcilliation which makes us feel most comfortable? Rather, is not the result of his inquiries something wholly indifferent to the true inquirer? Do we after all seek rest, peace, and pleasure in our inquiries? No, only truth--even if it be the most abhorrent and ugly. Still one last question: if we had believed from childhood that all salvation issued from someone other than Jesus--say, from Mohammed--is it not certain that we should have experienced the same blessings? . . . Faith does not offer the least support for a proof of objective truth. Here the ways of men part: if you wish to strive for peace of soul and pleasure, then believe; if you wish to be a devotee of truth, then inquire . . . = End-of-Week Rollover GPS System Set to Fail This Saturday The end of 1023 weeks MILLIONS of navigation devices around the world face the threat of failure at midnight next Saturday when a global satellite network is hit by its own version of the Millennium bug. Experts are worried about the risk of accidents to light planes and sailing boats. Fear of the "end-of-week" bug has prompted government agencies in America to alert pilots, sailors, as well as drivers, climbers, hikers and others who rely on the Global Positioning Satellite system. Warnings have also been issued by the International Maritime Organisation and Ireland's minister of marine and natural resources. But in Britain, where such devices are common and where the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food will require all fishing vessels over 24 metres long to carry GPS monitoring terminals from 2000, no official warnings have been issued. This is despite the fact that the bug could disable systems and endanger life as planes and boats approach air and seaports. A spokesman at the Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions said: "It is an American system and people chose to buy into it, so it is their look-out." He said that the ministry had known about the problem for some time and was relying on "information filtering down to the owners of private aircraft" and other amateur users from aeronautical information circulars. He said: "There is the risk that for a short period equipment could be giving out wrong signals, but I understand that the equipment does right itself." He added that the department had "no obligation" to warn users. The US Defence Department, which runs the GPS network, or the Federal Aviation Authority was responsible. The bug has arisen because the GPS system, a constellation of 24 satellites around the globe, keeps track of time by counting the number of weeks since it went into operation in 1980. The counter, which allows for about 20 years' worth of weeks, computes up to 1,023. At midnight next Saturday, week 1,023 ends and the counter rolls back to zero. An American congressional sub-committee heard in May that, while military, space and most commercial systems were well prepared, small businesses and amateur users could be hard hit. Keith Rhodes, technical director in the Office of the Chief Scientist, told the sub-committee: "The satellites will not fall out of the sky and will not lose their power. The problem will be on the ground, with what you hold in your hand." Hand-held receivers such as those popular with mountaineers, sailors and some motorists were "probably going to have a problem" if they were more than five years old. A notice issued by the United States transport department said: "Consumers who depend on GPS at sea, on land or in the air may experience one of these problems with their receiver: it will be unable to locate the satellites, resulting in the receiver not working; it will take more time than usual to locate the satellites; it will appear to be working but display inaccurate positions, times or dates." David Rowlands, a senior official at the British transport department, told a Commons select committee last November that receivers affected by the bug "would not generate false readings but would simply fail". The Ministry of Defence said that it had
[CTRL] End-of-Week Rollover for GPS
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.navcen.uscg.mil/gps/geninfo/y2k/DOT0899.htm A HREF="http://www.navcen.uscg.mil/gps/geninfo/y2k/DOT0899.htm"Latest DOT Press Release/A - "End-of-Week" Rollover for GPS FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE August 11, 1999 Contact: Bill Mosley Tel.: (202) 366-5571 DOT 123-99 IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR GPS USERS: Contact Your Receiver Manufacturer Before Aug. 19 Users of the Global Positioning System (GPS) should contact the manufacturers of their receivers before Aug. 19 to determine if their systems could malfunction beginning on that date due to conditions related to "End-of-Week" (EOW) rollover. What is GPS? GPS is a satellite-based system that allows consumers who use electronic receivers to determine their location and receive timing information. Recreational boaters and pilots, hikers, campers, hunters, and fishermen are among the consumers who rely on GPS receivers. The military and businesses also use GPS. End-of-the-Week Rollover The GPS EOW rollover occurs every 1,024 weeks -- about once every 20 years. The GPS system calculates time by counting the number of weeks since Jan. 6, 1980 -- up to a maximum of 1,024 weeks. At midnight between Aug. 21-22, 1999 Universal Time Coordinated (UTC) (which is 8:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time) the GPS week "counter" will roll over to zero weeks. The Department of Defense (DOD), which operates the GPS satellites, says this will not create problems for the GPS satellites or DOD's GPS ground control center, but it could present a problem for consumers who use GPS receivers and related applications. That's because after Aug. 21, 1999, receivers that are not built to standards could process satellite data incorrectly and display inaccurate information. Changes on Aug. 19 On Thursday, Aug. 19, at 10:00 p.m. UTC (which is 6:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time), new information tables will begin to be uploaded to the GPS satellites. These tables, known as almanacs, contain information that allow GPS receivers to predict which satellites are in view at an estimated location and time. These are used by the receiver to lock onto the correct satellites and to continue proper operation as satellites fall below the horizon and others rise into view. GPS receivers that are not fully compliant with the current standards may experience GPS receiver malfunctions when trying to use the new almanacs. Possible Receiver Malfunctions Consumers who depend on noncompliant GPS receivers for geographic locations at sea, on land or in the air, may experience one of the following problems with their receiver: It will be unable to locate the satellites, resulting in the receiver not working. It will take more time than usual to locate the satellites. It will appear to be working but display inaccurate positions, times or dates. Is This Related to Y2K? "Year 2000," or Y2K, is a similar but distinctly different problem. DOD has determined that the GPS satellites and its ground control center will operate properly after Dec. 31, 1999. But if consumer GPS receivers and applications are not Y2K-ready, they could process satellite data incorrectly at that time. What Should You Do? If you use GPS, check with your receiver manufacturer to find out if your receiver and applications are EOW rollover- and Y2K-compliant. You may want to check the Coast Guard Navigation Center's web site www.navcen.uscg.mil/gps/geninfo/y2k/default.htm, where the Department of Transportation has posted a list of receiver manufacturers and contacts. You also can call the free Y2K consumer hotline (1-888-USA-4-Y2K) for manufacturer contact information. You will need to tell the manufacturer your receiver's model, serial number, and the firmware version or release date displayed on the startup screen. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dated Last Modified: 12 Aug 1999 - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to
Re: [CTRL] Hermes' Staff
-Caveat Lector- Sagan stipulates the base resemblance of the caduceus to the DNA helix is evidence that we can not only remember the past but the future as well...Clarke stipulated a future memory such as that in Childhoods Ends too. I personally have seen it in comparisons between the YinYang and the sperm and ova. Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:545418"Hermes' Staff/A - Subject: Hermes' Staff From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 16 August 1999 02:25 AM EDT Message-id: 7p8as8$hfl$[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friends, Consider the caduceus (also known as the Staff of Hermes). It consists of two serpents coiled about a central staff. The staff usually has a set of wings at the top to denote Hermes and also usually has a ball or round protuberance at the top. It has been adopted by the medical community. The AMA uses it as it's symbol. There is a picture of one on my website at http://www.stormloader.com/joshua It is not just a symbol; it is an occulted device. The symbol is an archaic blueprint for a device to project magnetic vibratory beams across a distance to a target. It is stated in mythology that the staff is capable of an anesthetic effect on humans. In actuality, it is capable of much more. Properly constructed, it may be used to induce vibrations of nearly any frequency or amplitude in any target from a distance. It creates tight beams of what are called "longitudinal" or "scalar" magnetic waves. [It's a good thing that I studied scalars or I would have missed this completely.] The serpents represent electrified wire with current flowing towards the heads. The wires are to be coiled about a ferrous (iron) rod so that, at every point on the rod, the wires ascend perpendicularly to one another. The tails of the "serpents" must be connected together and to an AC frequency generator, or, alternatively, to a DC pulse generator. The heads of the serpents should be connected to a ground, or fed back into the energy source somehow so that the energy would not be lost. [It may be possible that insulated conductive ribbons rather than wire might prove more effective and be easier to work with. When constructing, the overlapping nodes should form two straight lines -- one on each side of the rod. One wire should be on top of the other on one side, and the other should be on to on the other.] The helical (rotational) aspect of the current of each oppositely ascending wire effectively cancels the helical aspect of the magnetic field in the ferrous rod generated by the helical aspect of the current in the other wire. This leaves pure linear magnetism. It is the helical aspect which causes magnetic fields to bend back upon ithemselves and seek their opposite poles. With this configuration, strong magnetic forces are generated linearly and travel, at the speed of magnetism, in a straight line from the ferrous rod in the direction it points. The real "magic" begins when one charges their staff with AC frequencies. Whatever the staff is pointed at (both ends) begins to vibrate according to the frequencies and amplitudes which are used. [There is no element that is completely unaffected by magnetic fields.] Depending upon the frequencies used and the amplitudes of the atomic oscillations initiated, materials would melt rather slowly, or disintigrate quite quickly. It is also be extremely easy to affect the human or animal mind at a distance. Research has already shown that fairly strong magnetic pulses can cause firing of neurons in the brain. With one of these staves pointed at one's head, the firings of one's neurons could be controlled fairly precisely by varying the frequency passing through the staff. One could be entranced with theta frequencies, stimulated with alpha frequencies or higher, or actually put to sleep using frequencies around 4-6 Hertz. This would be a proper weapon for law enforcement. One could also modify the focus of the the magnetic beam by placing a ferrous cap on the end of the ferrous rod. It is possible that a round cap would effect a beam that widened as it travelled from the staff, allowing for controlled effects over a larger area. This device is also has the potential to be immensely useful for healing. Preliminary evidence has shown that when hit at proper frequencies, parasites, bacteria, and viruses may be selectively destroyed. There is also some evidence that the same may be possible for cancerous cells. Oh... I forgot to tell you how to do your frequency generation. It's pretty easy. Get a computer program that allows you to generate pure sine waves of different frequencies. (There are so many sound generators, tone generators, and synthesizer programs available as shareware or freeware... use one of those.) Plug your audio output into an amplifier to
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990816a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No political operatives were harmed during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Do You Believe In Magic? ROME (Reuters) Nearly a quarter of Italians believe in magic, fortune-telling, astrology and spiritualism, spending a total one billion lire ($547,000) per year on them, according to a poll released Friday. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990816/08/odd-italy-magic : Does magic work for you? Do you work for magic? How much cash do you spend on fortune-telling, spellcasting, hope? What's your Return On Investment?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Scientists see Susy. (BBC) The first experimental evidence for a theory of matter called supersymmetry may have been uncovered. Antigravity particles too? http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_421000/421929.stm @ Links: Particle Physics in the UK: http://hepweb.rl.ac.uk/ppuk/ @ Guide to CERN: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~jward/guide/cerntextpics.html @ The Particle Adventure: http://pdg.lbl.gov/cpep/adventure_home.html # Also: Hunting the Higgs: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_299000/299550.stm # Matter or antimatter, that is the question: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_336000/336001.stm # Getting to the heart of the matter: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_86000/86030.stm : How is your universe structured? How did it get that way? Would you like to change its basic structure? Into what? What's your favorite antiparticle? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # CuraGen Discovers 55,000 Genetic Variations. NEW HAVEN, Conn. (Reuters) CuraGen Corp., a drug discovery and development company, said that it has discovered more than 55,000 genetic variations (cSNPs) located in human genes. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990816/08/science-health-curagen : How many variations are in YOUR genes? Are you damaged, distorted, mutant, misengineered? Did your creator(s) really muck you up, gene-wise? How come?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # ACLU may sue over evolution decision. TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) The American Civil Liberties Union says school districts could face lawsuits if they attempt to teach creationism in wake of the state school board's recent decision to de-emphasize the teaching of evolution. Other groups may join in - see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560705705-40d : Did you evolve, with the prospect of evolving further, getting better? Or were you created just as you are, with no hope of any improvements? Why??? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Navigation bug fears. (BBC) Sailors, pilots and hikers around the world are warned that their Global Positioning Systems may fail next Saturday, when the system's time signals will automatically reset themselves to "week zero". Some receiving systems, particularly older ones, may believe the date is 6 January, 1980, and fail. Don't get lost in the woods, eh? http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_421000/421553.stm @ Links: GPS Links: http://www.cnde.iastate.edu/gps.html @ Navstar GPS: http://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/nav/gps.htm @ Magellan: http://www.magellangps.com/ @ Garmin: http://www.garmin.com/ : Will you be lost when GPS resets? Will your plane crash? Will Reptilioid operatives use this opportunity to disorient humanity? Will anyone notice? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: # Bush Refuses to Answer Rumors of Cocaine Use: http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/US/Reuters19990814_463.html http://cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/08/14/president.2000/bush.interview/ # Author of FIDNET Computer Surveillance Plan Tries to Ease Fears: http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/99/08/biztech/articles/16monitor.html # Making The World Safe For Wiretaps: http://www.msnbc.com/news/301009.asp # Shooting unites religious groups - Jews Episcopals mingle: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560726363-ed0 # Also: Anti-Semitism fans new violence, see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560708820-26a # And: Report says officer lax with LA suspect, see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560707197-a8f @ International Crop Circle Database: http://www.interalpha.net/customer/pvigay/CCDataBase.html @ Appointment With An Alien: http://users.iol.it/an.digaetano/medium.htm @ UFOs in Italy, talk in English: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/ufoitaly @ Skeptical References: http://www.hutch.demon.co.uk @ More Roswell Stuff: http://www.roswellrods.com/pre.html @ UFOs-R-Us, etc: http://www.ufo-net.clara.net # Gun show held at Colorado school - "screw Columbine": http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560724416-e8c # Also: Students set to return to Columbine, see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560714706-a68 # And:
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [SC] Re: Kansas Board of Education vote onEvolution
-Caveat Lector- You know this is a very astute comment on the arbitrariness of reality...cool...yeah it all is very ethereal and we are so vain and it hasn't gotten better since electronic video media either...worse in factbut the order of the matter in the universe is discernible, and that is enough...to know that fungus spores carry 90% of the DNA required for life forms such as ourselves to come about is like knowing that there really are pieces of intergalactic artifacts being studied or otherwise revered on Earth...it blows all the preconceptions and religious hooh-hah mumbo jumbo Right Out The Window...you no longer have to deal with all that false and erroneous emotional dataits very liberating actuallythis milieu is not just a creation, it is Art. Eagle 1 wrote: -Caveat Lector- Just my input: Common DNA ancestory isn't even an argument. All mammals have common DNA, (and so what?). From one who has much experience in this field of study, and a college education based on the subject matter... EVOLUTION is the lie of millennial and historical proportions. If it were true, humans would be evolving on galactical proportions, considering their time of appearance on the earth... yet, man has remained basically unchanged for the past 20,000+ years, as compared with the entire animal kingdom and what some scientists would lay claim to what has commonly become known as evolution. All things change; that's the nature of the beast. Some things change more than others, and truly, some do utilize their environment for change to adapt, but this is not the entire basis for the evolution theory. IF this DNA were the so-called 'common' thread, why is it that apes and man have not converged? That is because there is a definite barrier in place to prevent such an action. A barrier that will never be crossed. Consider the fact that in the natural order of species, most all species, even though their DNA is similar enough without a barrier, that they prefer their own kind... i.e. "kind after kind" in a natural process, and do not 'choose' to cross over into breeding outside their own kind. It is only in the minds of men with big pens and big armchairs, that write out ludicrous suppositions on paper that sound so good. And theoretically, some of it bears truth... but is not consistent to carry through all in this area of evolution. Scientists cannot explain the lack of evolution in animals such as the shark for example. There is no reason why it should not have become even more efficient than it already is. And on the same lines, the lungfish neither has changed, nor can any evidence be produced why it hasn't. What happened here? A fluke of nature? Hardly. When man gets his own ego and logic far enough out of the way and owns up enough to understand that he cannot comprehend the entire universe, or it's building blocks to the umpteenth power... and realize that there is truly a greater, ordered power behind all, then and only then will he come to grips with the hows and whys he is and how he became to this day to be the ruling species of the earth. But, that change doesn't seem to be anytime soon on the horizon. So the cop-out in my opinion, is that the fear that what man believes and what is truth may be totally different things, and man's ego simply won't let him believe that he might be wrong, particularly in this arena of evolution. Because this is just one of those avenues that seems to sooth certain people's logic as the perfect solution. Evolution is merely a theory. Another one of those suppositional things that cannot be proved or disproved, but is rather a matter of opinion, and what one chooses to believe as their own reality. Personally, I choose to, and I'll stick to the Creation facts, and still be willing to give anyone space who chooses to believe otherwise. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [SC] Re: Kansas Board of Education vote on Evolution -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 99-08-15 10:47:40 EDT, James writes: The evolution of a new species does not mean that the basic stock either goes existence, or that there must only be one descendent branch. Consider that wolves, dogs and foxes descend from a common ancestor, but the rise of one to fill an ecological niche doesn't mean that the others must go extinct. Only believers in the scientific religion of evolution would believe that dogs, foxes and wolves come from the same ancestor. Dogs wolves maybe, they are nearly the same, I don't know about foxes. Dogs, wolves and foxes can all interbreed. Their DNA is nearly identical. Their common ancestry is obvious. Humans and
Re: [CTRL] Bush Refuses to Answer Rumors of Cocaine
-Caveat Lector- What kind of Governor is Bush Jr ? we are finding out. He sure doesnt like the tough questionshe is the ONLY candidate that refused to answer the cocaine question. Clinton at least would give you a tightly defined legalese answer. This guy just refuses to answer ! Thats an insult.and pretty dumb too.. Guaranteed to fire up the press and the public. It is the cover up that hurts, not the truth. Bush should fire his advisers and get some people with their feet on the ground. asu.. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Monday #1]
-Caveat Lector- "ric carter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : How many variations are in YOUR genes? Are you damaged, distorted, mutant, misengineered? Did your creator(s) really muck you up, gene-wise? How come?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I will have you know, sir, that I am a veritable MASS of sublethal recessive traits... = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] IMF Orders Bank Scandal Prosecution
-Caveat Lector- Subj: IMF Orders Bank Scandal Prosecution Date: 8/16/99 11:51:25 AM Central Daylight Time From: AOL News BCC:Ahab42 IMF Orders Bank Scandal Prosecution .c The Associated Press BY HARRY DUNPHY WASHINGTON (AP) - The International Monetary Fund today demanded that Indonesia quickly and publicly investigate a banking scandal and prosecute any wrongdoers. IMF spokesman Vasuki Shastry said Stanley Fischer, the IMF's deputy managing director, telephoned Indonesian President B.J. Habibie over the weekend to make the lending agency's position clear. An audit of Bank Bali, a recently nationalized institution, showed it paid around $80 million as a commission to a finance company controlled by an official of Habibie's ruling Golkar party. Shastry said the IMF has followed the banking scandal ``with increasing concern and staff have been in intensive contact'' with Indonesian officials, culminating with Fischer's call. He said IMF officials have emphasized that a satisfactory resolution of the case ``requires a thorough and independent investigation to be completed as soon as possible. ``The results should be made public,'' he said and ``legal action should be instituted in case the law was violated and steps should be taken to ensure that such practices cease.'' Shastry said Habibie assured the IMF that a full investigation is under way. On Friday the IMF expressed alarm over the scandal and warned it could lead to a loss of investor confidence at home and abroad. The Bank Bali scandal and another one have contributed to a plunge in the value of the rupiah, the country's currency, just as the battered economy was showing signs of recovery. The IMF said it supported the appointment by Indonesia's bank restructuring organization of an independent auditor, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, to validate the agency's findings in the Bank Bali case. This is the second time in recent months that an international accounting firm has been asked to investigate irregularities in countries that have IMF loan programs. Earlier this month the IMF published a report by PriceWaterhouseCoopers into the Russian central bank's transfer of foreign exchange reserves to an offshore account in 1966. The IMF provided Indonesia and Russia with multibillion-dollar rescue programs when their economies collapsed in 1997 and last year and is still making installment payments. Russia obtained a $4.5 billion loan from the IMF in early August and Indonesia received $460 million. Additional IMF loans to both governments are due to be made later this year. AP-NY-08-16-99 1251EDT Copyright 1999 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without prior written authority of The Associated Press. Announcement: America Online has added Reuters newswires to News Profiles. To add Reuters articles to your daily news delivery, go to KW: A HREF="aol://5862:146"News Profiles/A and click on "Modify Your News Profiles." Then click "Edit" and add Reuters from the list on the left. To edit your profile, go to keyword A HREF="aol://1722:NewsProfiles"NewsProfiles/A. For all of today's news, go to keyword A HREF="aol://1722:News"News/A. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Richard Sampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://www.amren.com/crime.htm 'Hate crimes' not big problem in race relations, study finds By Robert Stacy McCain THE WASHINGTON TIMES Violent crimes like murder, assault, robbery and rape cause far more damage to U.S. race relations than officially recognized "hate crimes," a study based on federal crime statistics concludes. The study reports that some 1.7 million violent interracial crimes involving blacks and whites are committed annually. But in 1997 only 4,105 of those were deemed "hate crimes" under the Hate Crimes Statistics Act of 1990, according to a study by the New Century Foundation, based in Oakton, Va. snip This is, quite literally, blaming the victim. The kinds of crime the New Century people are talking about are generally motivated by greed, poverty, drug addiction, or some combination thereof. Hate crimes are motivated by fear and power...or perhaps fear of losing power. Being robbed at gunpoint may be frightening, but "it's only money," and you can always make more of that. The black man who was dragged to death in Texas because he was black can hardly get his life back. It doesn't surprise me that the Washington Times should publish this tripe; it fits their agenda very neatly. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Buford Furrow - McChord Airforce Base
-Caveat Lector- 8-15-99 McChord Airforce Base http://www.mcchord.af.mil/private/support/cs/scm/scm.html 62D SUPPORT GROUP : 62D COMMUNICATIONS SQ Buford Furrow 62D CIVIL ENGINEERING SQ 62D MISSION SUPPORT SQ 62D SERVICES SQ 62D SECURITY FORCES SQ 62D SUPPORT GROUP : 62D COMMUNICATIONS SQuadron Mission Systems Flight section (3 other sections list no sub-units) Flight Commander: Vacant Superintendent: MSgt Dale Dunmyre Meteorological and Navigation Systems (METNAV) ensure all mission-critical weather equipment, mobile microwave landing systems, and Air Traffic Control and Landing Systems operate flawlessly. LAND MOBILE RADIO manage, provide maintenance, and inventory all LMR's, Pagers and Cell Phones for Team McChord. They also operate the Base paging system, and enforce frequency management. TELEPHONE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE ensure ALL telephone systems on McChord work with greater than 100% reliability, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. They operate and provide the voice-mail system, priority and DSN connectivity, and morale calls for our deployed members. MAINTENANCE CONTROL is responsible for equipment status. They schedule maintenance, augment the Unit Control Center, and operate the Core Automated Maintenance Systems Database. MAINTENANCE SUPPORT provides training programs, coordinates supply, distribute technical orders, and provide personnel, technical, and managerial evaluations. GROUND RADIO maintains vital ground-to-air radio systems, including Air Traffic Control and Command Post systems for all base units. They are also responsible for Public Address Systems. CABLE MAINTENANCE is responsible for more than 100, 000 miles of copper and fiber-optic cables on base. They install lines, identify cable routes, review installation programs, and maintain all underground communication vaults. --- McChord Airforce Base http://www.mcchord.af.mil/private/support/sfs/statement.html 62D SUPPORT GROUP : 62D SECURITY FORCES SQuadron - DoD Honorable Mention Best ANTITERRORISM PROGRAM 1998 - CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS SECTION http://www.mcchord.af.mil/private/support/sfs/info.html Mission Statements Air Force Mission: To defend the United States through the control and exploitation of air and space. Air Mobility Command (AMC) Mission Statement: The Air Mobility Team...Responsive Global Reach for America...Everyday! 62d Airlift Wing Mission: Providing services and support which promote quality of life and build global force projection and combat ready airlift. 62D SUPPORT GROUP Mission: Creating a quality environment in which to live, work and play by providing customer focused services, facilities and operational support. 62D SECURITY FORCES SQuadron Mission: Provide solid force protection for Team McChord's people and resources, anytime, anywhere, in support of Global Engagement. --- McChord Airforce Base http://www.mcchord.af.mil/private/support/sfs/ The History of the 62D SECURITY FORCES SQuadron The 62d Security Forces Squadron has been active since August 15, 1947. It was originally known as Squadron "B", 62d Airdrome Group. On June 23, 1948 the squadron was constituted as the 62d Air Police Squadron, Troop Carrier, Medium. On October 12, 1949, it was redesignated as the 62d Air Police Squadron, Troop Carrier, Heavy. It was not until March 8, 1950 that the unit was simply known as the 62d Air Police Squadron. Over the next ten years, the squadron went through a period of adjustment. Starting on June 1, 1950, the squadron was deactivated. This was the beginning of an on going process were McChord AFB shifted between having its own Law Enforcement squadron and sharing one with the 325th APS at McChord and the 62d Troop Carrier Wing at Larson Field. During the periods were the 62d Police Squadron was inactive, law enforcement duties were carried on by the 325th APS. Finally on July 8, 1968, the 62d Security Police Squadron was officially installed at McChord and setup in building P-7. Since then, the 62d Security Police Squadron has been busy trying to keep up with the times. The squadron has always been on the cutting edge of the law enforcement field. Starting in 1971, the squadron sent the first female to be trained in the Law Enforcement Career Field for the Air Force. Sgt Carolyn S. Biggs, Administrative Clerk, 62 SPS was sent to Lackland AFB for training and was then assigned to Travis AFB. All throughout the seventies, the squadron had its share of difficulties, especially concerning the Vietnam War. Protesters would frequent outside the main gate and hold demonstrations against the war. Other problems occurring was a hostage situation occurring at the Air National Guard Base, and several bomb
[CTRL] The Protocols / Masonry - 1/3
-Caveat Lector- From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 Subject: [CTRL] [7a--7b] Scarlet and the Beast - A History of the War Between English and French Freemasonry an excerpt from: Scarlet and the Beast - A History of the War Between English and French Freemasonry by John Daniel (C)1994 Chapter 13 -- part 1 of 3 THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF SION --[7a]-- At first these "Protocols," printed in broadsheets by the millions, were used to stir up fear and hatred of Jews in Germany. They were then re-issued, somewhat revised, and directed at England to stir up hatred of the English. In Russia the "Protocols" were used to back up charges against the Jews for "ritual murders." Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry(1) The Jewish Holocaust of World War II fulfilled a prophecy made 150 years earlier by the Orthodox Rabbis in Germany, who warned the Frankist-Reform Jews that persecution would start at Berlin if they persisted in their amoral destruction of society. To help fulfill this prophecy, anti-Semitic Gentile Freemasonry engineered the exposure of the Jews through the fraudulent creation of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion. These Protocols, a compilation of twenty-four documents, developed the required anti-Semitism that ended in the death of six million Jews in the midst of World War II. The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion were first said to have been the minutes of the first Zionist Congress at Basel, Switzerland, August 29-31, 1897. According to Robert John, author of Behind the Balfour Declaration, the 197 Jewish delegates were a mixture of the orthodoxy, nationalists, liberals, atheists, culturalists, anarchists, socialists and capitalists.(2) In three days these Jews are said to have discussed, debated, then agreed upon a detailed conspiracy for world dominion. The alleged outcome of that Congress was a document containing the minutes to twenty-four lengthy meetings detailing how the Jewish intrigue was to unfold. It defies imagination, how Jews of such mixed convictions, who find it difficult to agree on any issue within their own persuasion, completed twenty-four Protocols in just three days. Those who read the documents were apparently convinced that Zionist Jews were planning to take over all governments through a well-orchestrated plan of subversion, using the press, secular schools, and Gentile Masonry as a cover. The Jews allegedly were planning to enslave the world through this conspiracy. Their first insurrection was to take place in Russia, which in retrospect many believed to have climaxed in the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917. So well had Gentile Freemasonry placed the Jews in the forefront of that insurrection that the West began hearing rumors of Jews taking over Russia. Appendix 2, Fig. 33 presents the caricatures of these allegations that were printed in newspapers throughout the world. History of the Protocols We have learned that Sion is the French spelling for the English Zion. The original Protocols were written in French, stolen from a Masonic lodge in Paris in 1884 (as we shall see), then taken to Russia where they were translated and first published in that language in 1903. After the first publication of the Protocols in Russia, they were banned in 1905 by the ill-fated Czar Nicholas II following an attempt to topple his government. In 1917, following the February Revolution, the new Kerensky government confiscated and burned the second edition before it reached the streets and immediately outlawed anti-Semitism.(3) On April 5, 1917, the Russian Jews won emancipation.(4) By October Kerensky's government had lost to the Bolsheviks, who, in the "Red Terror" that followed, appeared to fulfill the slaughter written of in the Protocols. After the Bolshevik Revolution, the Protocols made their way back to the West, where, from 1921 to 1935, the newspaper-reading-public of the world was made aware of their contents. Publishing the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion was a most malicious crime committed against the House of Israel. At the same time as the Protocols began to circulate throughout Europe, conspiracy researchers were attempting to connect the Bolsheviks with the Illuminati. In many ways the two movements were the same. We see this, for instance, in their colors. Weishaupt had selected the color red to represent his bloody revolution. Likewise, the Communists. Since then Communists have been nicknamed "Reds." Those who opposed the Reds formed their own republic called Belorussia, or White Russia, bordering on Poland, Lithuania, and Latvia. The Whites waged a short-lived counterrevolution against the Reds but lost in 1919 for lack of funds. When the Whites fled to the West, most settled in Germany. With them came copies of the Protocols. Soon these documents were in the hands of
[CTRL] The Protocols / Masonry - 2/3
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Scarlet and the Beast - A History of the War Between English and French Freemasonry by John Daniel (C)1994 Chapter 13 -- part 2 of 3 THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF SION Cremie -- Double Agent Intelligence gathering, spying, and the use of double agents are commonplace in this war between Scarlet and the Beast. If Great Britain had wanted to penetrate the French government in Cremieux's day, it would have done so through a French Rosicrucian Freemason. Who would be more likely than Cremieux? If he were to become involved in French politics, which he was, he would join the Grand Orient Lodge, to which most French politicians belonged. From there he could learn state secrets and pass them to London. English Freemasonry had need of spies in French politics for two specific reasons. First, the two movements of socialism and communism, which had developed in Grand Orient Freemasonry, were of grave concern to Great Britain's capitalists. Second, Emperor Napoleon III had cooperated with the Grand Orient Revolution in Italy by ousting the oligarchy's Austrian army. Spymaster Cremieux and British Freemasonry had something in common. Both hated Napoleon III. If Cremieux was assigned the task of deposing the Emperor, his success would be better realized if he could attain the top position within the Emperor's lodge. Shades of Mission Impossible, you say? Perhaps. Nonetheless, everything Cremieux accomplished was of benefit to English Freemasonry, as well as profit to the oligarchy of the Priory of Sion, which it protected. It is most likely that Freemason Cremieux was a master spy, a double agent, a Rosicrucian mole for British Intelligence in the French Templar Grand Orient administration of Napoleon III. Such a scenario certainly fits the Masonic modus operandi. Maurice Joly Gentile Maurice Joly, whose father was a staunch Italian Mason, was also a Mason. Joly was tied to the Alliance Israelite Universelle through his association with Freemason Cremieux and the Mizraim Masonic Lodge. He was also linked to the Priory of Sion through mutual membership In a Rose Croix order with Victor Hugo. This Masonic influence secured Joly a post in the Ministry of the Interior under Freemason M. Chevreau, just before the coup d'etat in 1851 by Louis Napoleon. Joly was not included in the new government, nor did he want to be. He had an inveterate hatred of the Bonapartes. Moreover, he disagreed with Grand Orient politics, which politics demanded a strongman to solidity its failing revolution of 1848.(45) For nine years following Napoleon's 1851 coup, Joly withdrew from politics and satisfied himself by returning to his law practice. Suddenly, in 1860, he began writing articles attacking the government and the Emperor. What, or who rekindled Joly's anger? The answer is Adolphe Cremieux, who also hated the Emperor. Cremieux's animosity grew from a rebuff he received from Louis Napoleon. At the time of Napoleon's coup, Cremieux was legal adviser to the Bonaparte family and an intimate of Louis Napoleon. When Louis became Emperor, he offended Cremieux by not appointing him to the most desired political post -- that of Chief Executive -- a position vital in dealing with Great Britain.(46) The Emperor's first mistake was his refusal to appoint his Masonic superior. Cremieux became his enemy. Napoleon's second error was his refusal to take orders from Grand Orient Masonry, which had placed him in power. After his 1851 coup and declaring himself as Emperor in 1852, he immediately began exerting authority, emulating his great uncle, Napoleon Bonaparte.(47) Now the entire Grand Orient was his enemy. Napoleon's third mistake was exiling Victor Hugo. We shall soon see that Hugo's exile was a consequence of his disagreements with Napoleon following the coup. The Priory of Sion soon became the Emperor's enemy. Napoleon's fourth and fatal mistake was military action against Austria's occupation army In Italy. Napoleon's military success in removing this arm of the British Masonic oligarchy from Italy allowed Mazzini's Grand Orient revolution to succeed. With English Freemasonry now his enemy, the Emperor did not have a prayer. Source of the Protocols It was unnecessary for British Freemasonry to Intrigue against Napoleon, for the Emperor had created enough hostility and enemies on his own. With an angry Cremleux encouraging the pen of an acrimonious Joly, the Grand Orient planned to depose the Emperor. Joly wrote Dialogues between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, which was a compilation of articles in which Joly depicted Napoleon III as Machiavelli. As Victor Hugo's poetry had done in the 1850s (discussed later in this chapter), so too Joly's articles turned public opinion against the Emperor in the 1860s. And as we learned earlier, the London Times (1920) reported that the Protocols of the Learned
[CTRL] The Protocols - Final Warning
-Caveat Lector- http://members.tripod.com/~viewfromthewall/fwch5.htm --- FINAL WARNING: A HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER --- CHAPTER FIVE THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is a 25,000 word document, which contains 24 Protocols by a member of a secret group of Jews, known as the Elders of Zion. It purported to be an outline for the control of the world by the Jews, with the help of the Masons. The document has been used to prove that the Illuminati is an exclusively Jewish plan for world domination, and has put the Jewish race in a bad light. In the course of my research, I have not found that to be true. I do not believe that there is a "Jewish" conspiracy. Even though the Illuminati's founders were Jewish, and many influential Jews were part of the inner circle, that is no reason to indict the entire Jewish race. The Bible identifies the Jews as God's chosen people, so it is highly unlikely that they are behind such a Satanic plot. I have even been told, that the people in Israel are not true Jews. One only has to look at the history of Israel, and see how they have been able to miraculously survive, to see that this is nothing but anti-semetic rhetoric. It is not race, which is the common denominator here; it is money and greed. For the most part, the conspiracy has been dominated by the Europeans, and perpetuated by the English-speaking countries of the world. No one is quite sure about this notorious document, and how it fits into the puzzle of the one-world government conspiracy. We know that its influence was taken advantage of, by the Illuminati, however, as to the actual origin and its purpose, we may never know for sure, because portions of it are highly accurate in its revelations. It is either true, or a clever forgery. If it is true, how much of it is true? If it is a forgery, it most certainly was based upon a factual document. Whatever the case, it is included in this book because it may contain some clues about the early stages of the Illuminati conspiracy, and the people behind it. French Jesuit, the Abbe' Barruel, who in 1797 wrote the five-volume Memoire pou servir a' l'histoire du Jacobinisme, received a copy of a letter in 1806, from J.B. Simonini, an army officer in Florence. In it, was a statement that the Jews "promised themselves that in less than a century, they would be the masters of the world." This letter had been widely circulated in France. It was later revealed that the letter had been fabricated by the French police to motivate Napoleon against the Jews. In 1848, Hermann Goedsche, a German postal official, forged letters indicating that Benedic Waldeck was conspiring to assassinate Frederick William IV, the King of Prussia. After it became known that they were forgeries, he was removed from his job, and he began writing under the pseudonym, Sir John Retcliffe. One of those novels, Biarritz, written in 1868, contained a chapter titled, "In the Jewish Cemetery in Prague", in which the heads of the twelve tribes of Israel met with Satan to tell him of their plans to control the world. However, the covert proceeding was witnessed by two men, who then dedicated their lives to fighting the Satanic Jewish plot. In 1872, Russian anti-semites printed the chapter in a pamphlet, as fiction based on fact. It was reprinted in 1876 and 1880. In July, 1881, the story was published in the French paper Le Contemporain as fact, and all of the speeches by each tribal head was consolidated into a single speech, supposedly made by a chief rabbi in a secret meeting of influential Jews. To substantiate the claim, it was said to have been taken from a forthcoming book by English diplomat, Sir John Readclif (a take-off on Goedsche's pen name), called Annals of the Political and Historic Events of the Last Ten Years. In 1891, the story appeared in the Russian newspaper Novorossiysky Telegraf, which established that the speech was made in 1869 by a rabbi to a secret Sanhedrin (possibly referring to the First Congress of Reformed Judaism, held in Leipzig). Its authenticity, again, was supported by the fictional Sir John Readclif. Later, in the October 21, 1920 issue of La Vielle France, the newspaper said there was a striking analogy between the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the discourse of Rabbi Reichhorn, pronounced in Prague in 1869, over the tomb of the Grand Rabbi Simeon-ben-Ihuda. Early in 1900, this fictional speech was used to instigate pogroms against the Jews, and became known as "The Rabbi's Speech". An anti-semite, P.A. Khrushevan, used the speech to provoke a pogrom at Kishinev, in the Ukraine, in 1903, in which 45 Jews were killed, and 400 injured, in an incident that
[CTRL] The Protocols - link to Blavatsky
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http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~jsu/newage6.html
WHAT JEWISH PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE NEW AGE:
'THE PLAN' AS PUBLISHED BY NEW AGE
It should be noted that this 'Plan' is universally emphasized among
New Agers as being of non-human origin; it is likewise presented
as a non-negotiable package -- all who witness the official
inauguration of the New Age must submit to 'The Plan' in its
entirety or be left out of the 'New World Order': "[The New Age
initiate] no longer identifies himself with form or even with soul,
but with the will of divinity and the eternal Plan and purpose.
It becomes his plan and purpose. He knows no other..." (Bailey,
'Esoteric Astrology', p.92). The specific stages of the Plan were
'transmitted' in detail through Alice Bailey (apparently from
'Djwhal Khul'), beginning in the 1930s, but were kept classified
until 1975, when Bailey (by then deceased) gave the NA leaders
instructions to go public. The 'hierarchy of masters' are said to
be the ones responsible for concocting and directing 'the Plan' as
their organized program to get mankind to the 'next evolutionary
level'. Since quality is vital for starting the next 'root-race',
only selected 'starseed' people are designated to make the 'quantum
leap' into the next level of 'human transformation' and they need
careful preparation by these spirits lest they 'burn out' in the
transition. The 'Plan' is quite lengthy, and proposes many global
changes, but a few speak specifically of the Jewish people:
snip
5a. The Plan's divide-and-conquer strategy: Until the mass
'initiation', those opposing the Plan are to be fought in two ways.
One is infiltration [see Missionizing section]. The other is
turning the various remaining orthodox monotheists one against
another. The single most notorious tool invented by NA
propagandists was 'The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion'.
Composed by unknown sources, the individual who claimed to have
"found" the 'Protocols' was Yuliana Glinka, a devoted Theosophist
and Blavatsky's personal companion, who "felt it her Christian
[sic!] duty" to release it in Russia (alternately called 'The
Secret of the Jews'). The book was translated into English by
Victor Marsden, a British racial supremacist who fled England to
join Hitler, and then circulated in the U.S. by occultist Henry
Ford. The latter was applauded for his "faith" by the Theosophical
Society ('The Theosophist', December 1938, p.239). Blavatsky
herself wrote at least one anti-semitic tract with content similar
to 'Protocols', published by the Theosophical Society in 1888.
[see The Occult Establishment, James Webb, 1976]. The effect of
'Protocols' on the history of Jewish-Christian and Jewish-Moslem
relations hardly needs comment -- from the NA point of view it
was and continues to be a stroke of genius [made more enjoyable,
no doubt, by the irony that they didn't have to invent a story --
their own racist conspiracy to dominate the world was simply put in
the mouths of the Jews; thus, whenever evidence of their own work
turns up, their main target for liquidation can catch hell for
it!]. To this day, most Jews are convinced that 'Protocols' was
a disgusting piece of Christian slander.
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[CTRL] NOTES ON THE PROTOCOLS FABRICATION
-Caveat Lector- excerpted from: Pat Robertson and the "Illuminist Myth" http://www.isrp.org/illuminism.html NOTES ON THE PROTOCOLS FABRICATION What follows pertains largely to the forgery known to the world as The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion; but the same pattern of fabrication found here is repeated in all the other so-called "documentation" bearing on the Illuminati Myth. Much of this information comes from Norman Cohn, Warrant for Genocide. THE ORIGINS OF THE ILLUMINATI MYTH: THE ABBE BARRUEL Illuminati enthusiasts and devotees like to paint the myth as extending back into the misty past, but that simply is not the case. The Illuminati Myth did not exist as literature prior to the French Revolution -- and even then only as disjointed pieces, not as a consistent whole. Not until 1905 did the myth explode on the world as a coherent body of literature. What anti-Semitic writings that did exist prior to 1797 had nothing to do with the Jews as participants in a revolutionary world-conspiracy aimed at the destruction of Christianity; it was largely confined to religious themes with only the most indirect political overtones. Clearly, the anti-Semitic literature which existed prior to 1797 tied the Jews to the death of Christ, and on that basis they were persecuted; it also pictured them as "money-lenders," and occasionally it linked them to the practice of witchcraft; but it never portrayed them as revolutionaries bent on the conquest of the world. On the contrary, Jews were painted as weaklings and cowards; a people hardly worth even the most indirect kind of political attention -- and for that reason, most European armies excluded Jews from military service well into the nineteenth century. The first disjointed pieces of the Illuminati Myth can be traced back to the French Revolution, specifically to the French cleric, the Abbe Barruel. [Please see Norman Cohn, Warrant for Genocide (New York: Harper and Row)]. As early as 1797, nine years after the revolution, Barruel, in his five-volume Memoire pour servir a l'histoire du Jacobinisme, argued that the French Revolution represented the culmination of an age-old conspiracy of the most secret of secret societies. Down through the centuries this secret society had purportedly poisoned a number of monarchs; and in the eighteenth century it had captured the Order of Freemasons [here, Robertson's Juden-frei rendition parallels the original unswervingly (please see pgs.67-68 of Robertson's New World Order)]. In 1763, the conspiracy supposedly created a secret literary academy consisting of Voltaire, Turgot, Condorcet, Diderot, d'Alembert and other luminaries of the "French Enlightenment." This group of men ostensibly met regularly in the house of Baron d'Holbach and through its publications had undermined all morality and true religion in France [parallels pg.67, Robertson's New World Order]. From 1776 onward, Barruel maintained, Condorcet and the Abbe Sieyes had built up a vast revolutionary organization of half a million Frenchmen who were the "Jacobins" of the French Revolution. But the heart of the conspiracy -- the real leadership of the revolution -- was supposed to rest in a Bavarian group known as the Illuminati under the headship of a certain Adam Weishaupt [parallels pg.67, Robertson's New World Order]. To this handful of Germans, all the Freemasons and Jacobins of France owed blind allegiance -- or so Barruel thought. THE SIMONINI LETTER In 1806, Barruel produced a document in support of his slanderous charges against the Jews -- the Simonini Letter. Like almost everything else connected with the myth of the Jewish world-conspiracy, the letter was a forgery -- a fabrication produced by the French Political Police under Fouche. Its objective was to influence Napoleon against the Jews. The letter was ostensibly written by an army officer, J.B. Simonini. After having congratulated Barruel on "unmasking" the Jacobins, which Simonini claimed were preparing the way for Antichrist, the letter went on to describe the so-called Jewish role in the entire "Jacobin Plot." At the time of his death in 1820, Barruel had elaborated the beginnings of the modern myth of the Judeo / Masonic Conspiracy. He had written a vast manuscript to show how a revolutionary conspiracy had existed down through the ages, from Mani to the medieval Knights Templar, and thence to the Freemasons. The whole organization was supposedly controlled by a Supreme Council. The Council was veiled in impenetrable secrecy and had no fixed residence, but wherever the statesmen of the Great Powers gathered, there they could be found as an "unseen and controlling presence" lurking in the background [parallels pg.71, Robertson's New World Order]. The Council,
[CTRL] Born One A Minute
-Caveat Lector-
August 2, 1999
The Pleasures of Persuasion
By Virginia Postrel
Obituaries for advertising pioneer David Ogilvy, who died last
Wednesday, emphasized his respect for the consumer. "The consumer
is not a moron. She is your wife," was a popular Ogilvy refrain.
"His greatest legacy," declared the Associated Press, "was an
approach to advertising that assumed the intelligence of the
consumer."
How, then, do we explain the lady in the bathor our reaction to
her?
She appears in a classic Ogilvy ad, featured in his 1983 book
Ogilvy on Advertising. Covered with suds, she holds a bar of Dove
soap aloft with her right hand and a large, black telephone
receiver with her left. And boy, does she gush on that phone.
"Darling, Im having the most extraordinary experience..." reads
the headline, followed in slightly smaller italic type by "Im
head over heels in DOVE!" The 36 short sentences that follow
include nine exclamation points, 20 words or phrases italicized
for emphasis, and four repetitions of "darling." The soap, our
heroine exclaims to her absent love, makes her feel like "the
most pampered, most spoiled, girliest girl in the world." She can
hardly wait to take another bath tomorrow.
Read with todays eyes, the ad is quite insulting, but it is also
hilarious. It is so unabashedly over-the-top that only the most
irony-deprived could find it truly offensive. The 1990s reaction
is to puncture it, to make jokes at its expense. In the age of
Monica, the story cries out for reinterpretation as soft-core
phone sex ("Well, darling, Im all over cream. Just imagine,
cream tip to toe. Arms. Legs. All of me!" says the ad) or a
desperate cry for attention. Anything but a rationally based,
emotionally persuasive pitch for soap.
Our cynical reaction may in fact be the greatest legacy of Ogilvy
and his fellow mid-century "ad men." In their quest for perfect
persuasion, they created a media dynamic that made consumers
increasingly immune to the ad mens favorite techniques. Yet that
very learning process undermined the arguments of advertisings
most prominent critics.
To Ogilvy, good advertising followed clear rules. The Dove ad had
a big photo, a long headline, a picture of the product, and
plenty of text, because those were the established formula for
success. Amid her gushing, the bathing beauty articulates the
soaps practical benefits, because Ogilvy believed that ads
should always tell consumers why they should buy the product. (No
"just do it" for him.) He also believed in scientific research.
"I used the word darling in the headline for this ad because a
psychologist had tested hundreds of words for their emotional
impact and darling had come out top," he wrote.
This simple, static model fed criticism not only of advertising
but of the market economy it served. If consumers are so
predictable and so easily manipulated, where is their freedom of
action? Exchange isnt really voluntary under these
circumstances. Persuasion has become a kind of force. The more
the advertiser knows about what consumers want, and the more
desires the product and packaging seek to fulfill, the more
coercive the force.
That was the basic premise of Vance Packards best-selling 1957
book The Hidden Persuaders. It recounts in ominous detail how
merchandisers use psychology and social science to probe
"peoples subsurface desires, needs, and drives...to find their
points of vulnerability." These "depth merchandisers," Packard
warned, were invading our minds and destroying our wills. By
discovering unarticulated wants, such as the desire for novelty
or for warm human contact, these diabolical manipulators could
sell things consumers didnt really need, such as colorful phones
or impulse long-distance calls. When a cocky ad agency executive
claimed in 1942 that psychology offered the promise not only of
understanding people but of "controlling their behavior," Packard
believed him.
Packards stories offer an intriguing peek into the mindset of
mid-century advertising and social science. But even the 1980
reissue of the book reads as anachronisticallyand
ridiculouslyas the Dove ad. It envisions consumers as passive
dupes who never catch on, even to the most obvious manipulations.
It assumes that serving intangible desires is a kind of fraud. It
imposes a standard of "rational" needs that exemplifies the worst
sort of technocratic elitism.
By treating emotional factors as suspect, Packards prescriptions
would make consumers worse off. He worried, for instance, that
the "depth probers" had found that consumers didnt like dealing
with intimidating institutions. Fear of the stern disapproval of
traditional bankers was driving borrowers to more expensive loan
companies. Young housewives were afraid of revealing their
ignorance to butchers. When researchers discovered these fears,
banks and supermarkets attracted business by
[CTRL] (Fwd) ZNet Commentary Aug 8 Nikos Raptis
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Michael Albert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:ZNet Commentary Aug 8 Nikos Raptis Date sent: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:35:47 +0100 Here is today's ZNet Commentary Delivery from Nikos Raptis. The attached file is the same material in nicely formatted html so that you can read it in your browser if you wish. To pass this comment along to friends, relatives, etc. please note that the Commentaries are a premium sent to Sustainer Donors of Z/ZNet and that to learn more about the project folks can consult ZNet (http://www.zmag.org) and specifically the Sustainer Pages (http://www.zmag.org/Commentaries/donorform.htm) which include lists of writers, writer biographies, and other features of the Z Sustainer Program. Here then is today's ZNet Commentary... -- The Statue of a Benefactor By Nikos Raptis After WWI at the Versailles peace conference, in 1919, an irregular line of nations, north to south from Finland to Albania, with Britain controlling Greece and Turkey, was designated a "cordon sanitaire" to divide Europe into two parts; the capitalist West and the communist Russia. On February 23, 1945, Joseph Goebbels, gave a speech in which he denounced the Yalta agreements that acknowledged Russia's right to military security along its western frontier. At Yalta, the Allies had agreed that the "cordon sanitaire", created at Versailles was to be denazified, demilitarized, and dissolved. Astounded that the Allies had agreed to regroup the Nazi satellite countries, Goebbels declared that an "iron curtain" had descended over the area. "Behind this curtain ," Goebbels warned, there "would begin a mass slaughter of peoples, probably with acclamation from the Jewish press in New York." On May 1, 1945, only 67 days after the delivery of the above speech, Goebbels had his six children poisoned with a lethal injection by an SS doctor and then himself and his wife Magda shot by an SS orderly. It is reasonable to assume that Goebbels: one knew that the end of the Reich was a few days away and two that he had already decided to kill his family and himself. Therefore, it is also logical to ask: why the hell he gave a speech on geopolitics with both feet in his grave? Anyway, it seems that the Goebbels speech was not in vain, the paranoia about the New York Jews notwithstanding. About one year after the Goebbels speech, on March 5, 1946, in Fulton, Missouri, with President Truman sitting behind him, Winston Churchill spoke to the peoples of the world saying: "From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic an 'iron curtain' has descended across the Continent. Behind that line lie all the capitals of the ancient states of Central and Eastern Europe and all are subject in one form or another, not only to Soviet influence but to a very high and, in many cases, increasing measure of control from Moscow." Unfortunately for the British, only one year after the "historical" Churchill speech at Fulton, Britain on February 21, 1947 had to admit that it was broke and that it was incapable of defending its extensive international interests. On that day, the First Secretary of the British Embassy in Washington, H.M. Sichel, telephoned Loy Henderson, Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern and African Affairs, with a "rather important" message from the British Foreign Office. The message: "Britain could not afford the 500 million dollars it would take immediately to defend Greece and Turkey against Communism. The United States could either fill the vacuum or let it go. The future of the Miiddle East was at stake." Some say that that very day was the end of "Pax Britannica" and the beginning of the "American Century". The Doctrine On March 12, 1947, only 22 days later (that was fast!), "President Truman, addressing a joint session of Congress, informed America's legislators of the Greek government's request for assistance from the United States and asked that $300 million be approved for aid to Greece and $100 million for Turkey, which "also deserves our attention." Declaring that "the foreign policy and the national security of this country (the US) are involved," he appealed for a speedy approval of the amounts requested for each country." (Source: Yannis P. Roubatis, "Tangled Webs", Pella, N.Y., 1987, page 32). Congress approved the bill, and President Truman signed it. That was the birth of the Truman Doctrine. The rest is history (not so well known outside Greece). A glance at the history of the US "attention" towards Greece is instructive. Take the case of John E. Peurifoy, the US ambassador to Greece during the first stages of the application of the Truman Doctrine. Known as "smiling Jack", Peurifoy was a tough South Carolinian pleased with his image as the man with a "big stick." In November 1953 Peurifoy was transferred to
[CTRL] Southern Rock 'N Roll
-Caveat Lector- SOUTH WANTS DEVOLUTION FROM US AS A BAND of conspirators, they were ultra-respectable, just a couple of hundred college lecturers, schoolteachers and small businessmen brought together by a common grievance and a common hope. But their gathering this weekend in the hill country of North Carolina has the potential to change the face of America. In signing into being the Southern Party, they have embarked on the first organised political challenge to the sway of the North since the surrender of the Confederate general Robert E Lee in 1865. And while they recognise that their ultimate aim - independence for the South by peaceful, constitutional means - could take generations or never happen at all, they cite the recent success of devolutionary movements elsewhere, including in Britain, as a reason they cannot just be dismissed as a crowd of irresponsible nostalgics. The scene in the select resort village of Flat Rock was the epitome of the southern idyll: a vast weathered gazebo on the lush lawn of a glistening white southern mansion; the heat of the summer sun fanned by a cooling breeze. A few of the men wore grey Confederate uniforms, a few of the women wore crinolines, but the new political activists who had paid $50 (pounds 33) each for the privilege of assisting at the birth of "their" party mostly wore the costumes of today - summer suits and dresses. As befitted a southern gathering, proceedings opened and closed with prayers - "Lord, show us the direction we need to go"- but the climax was the ceremonial presentation of the flags of 14 southern states and the signing of the "Asheville Declaration", named after the nearby city. It was endorsed by volleys of musket fire across the valley and loud "hurrahs". The leading light of the new party is George Kalas, the son of a Greek immigrant father and a mother of staunch Confederate stock, and just 37. For him, and the party's three other founding fathers, the time is right for the South to assert itself. Registered in Houston, Texas, the party is already organising in all 18 southern states, and so much advance interest was shown in this weekend's founding rally that people had to be turned away. To the devoted southerners, their beloved and maligned South is resurgent. Southerners hold many of the most important offices of state. Interest in Confederate history is at record levels, judging by a slew of films, the popularity of visits to battlefield sites and amateur participation in Civil War re- enactments. Last year's anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg inspired more than 18,000 people to wear period costume to fight it all over again. A large part of the rationale for the new party is economic self-confidence. "The South is becoming strong again. We're becoming a financial giant again, and that's why we're here," Jerry Baxley, the party's vice-chairman, told the assembled throng in his opening speech. What many see as the moral bankruptcy of the Washington "regime" is another powerful ingredient. The most compelling reason cited by the party's founders for their timing, though, is what they see as the stunning success of nationalist movements in Canada and Britain. "Thirty years ago they [the political Establishment] were laughing at the Quebecois. Ten years ago they were laughing at the population of Wales and Scotland for advocating their own parliaments. They're not laughing any more," said one enthusiast. Mr Kalsa said: "We couldn't have done this 10 years ago.There would have been no media interest." And he credited the Internet with "making it a more level playing field" for non-establishment groups. A new South could be seen as unrealistic, especially in view of the fervent opposition of black Americans to anything that smacks of the traditional Confederacy. But while the new party's platform builds on the complex of southern sympathies and resentments, it makes a determined effort to strike out the racism. When Mr Kalas enumerated its guiding principles - for: devolution and moral leadership from politicians; against: abortion, gun controls and federal taxes - his denunciation of racism drew a volume of applause second only to his rejection of the tax system. "There is no room for those who harbour racial malice towards their fellow southerners," he said. "The politics of race have reached a dead end." The Southern Party, he said, "is an idea that all southerners should be proud to embrace". There remains, however, a distinct ambiguity, enshrined in the party's careful choice of flag. The "third" Confederate flag belongs to the late period of the Civil War when black volunteers were taken into Confederate ranks - showing, according to Mr Kalas and the others, that an end to slavery was an accepted precondition for the survival of the Confederacy. This is not the standard Confederate flag. It is red and white and
[CTRL] Unruly Law
-Caveat Lector- Via Sydney Morning Herald From LA Times Saturday, August 7, 1999 ALBANIA Ancient legal code fuels surge in vendetta killings By MARJORIE MILLER in Golaj, Albania For 11 weeks, Zeke Rrushi could feel the tremors of NATO bombs and Serbian shells exploding on the border with Kosovo a kilometre or two away. He listened to intermittent sniper fire and to the staccato of automatic rifles so close to his farmhouse. But to Mr Rrushi's mind, the only real danger to his family came from the barrel of his neighbour's shotgun. The Rrushis have been fighting their own war for seven years, locked in a blood feud with their neighbours that has taken at least four lives and threatens to take many more. Except for a few weeks during planting season and the harvest each year - when their enemies grant them a truce - Mr Rrushi, 60, and 24 other adult males in his family have not set foot outside their compound of farmhouses since 1992 for fear of being killed. Mr Rrushi lives deep in the mountains of northern Albania, where little has changed in centuries. Land, family honour and revenge are the currency of these parts; the arm of government and rule of law do not reach here. Instead, the farmers of northern Albania live by a 500-year-old code called the kanun of Lek Dukagjini, which lays out formal "laws" for marriage, birth, death and inheritance and also determines when it is permissible to kill an enemy in a blood feud. It was a system for administering justice among the warring tribes of a remote mountain region of northern Albania and southern Yugoslavia that even the occupying Ottoman Turks found difficult to control. Handed down orally from generation to generation, a version of the kanun was put into writing in the 1920s. The communist government that ruled Albania from 1944 to 1991 tried to wipe out vendetta killings and the kanun. Blood-feud crimes dropped dramatically. But the number of feuds has climbed steadily in Albania since the fall of communism and, particularly, since the collapse of the central government in 1997. An independent blood-feud reconciliation agency says there are more than 2,700 ongoing feuds in Albania, some of them old quarrels revived after lying dormant for half a century. Although some academics say this estimate is inflated by Mafia-style killings and run-of-the-mill crimes, there is no doubt that Albanians are resorting to the kanun to fill the vacuum of modern law and government. Blood feuds have been known to start over as little as a game of cards. However, like many post-communist disputes, the one between the Rrushis and the Bardhoshi family, neighbours who live less than a kilometre away, is over land - about 2.5 hectares. To hear the Rrushis tell it, the Bardhoshis are Johnny-come-latelies to the region, having arrived about 160 years ago to settle on a plot of land the Rrushis say they once owned. "We have been here for centuries. We gave them a small piece of land at that time, and then they abused our hospitality," Mr Rrushi said. After the collapse of communism, when collective ownership of the land was abolished, the Rrushis say the Bardhoshis "occupied" a plot of land that belonged to them. The Rrushis countered by seizing a plot belonging to the Bardhoshis. "They started slapping and hitting. Then we got our weapons," said Isuf Rrushi, 70, another family elder. The Rrushis attacked in June 1992. They say three Bardhoshis died in the gun battle; the Bardhoshis insist that they lost four family members. According to the kanun, "blood is paid for with blood", and the Rrushi killers had to retreat into the confines of their home or face execution, because the Bardhoshis were entitled to avenge the deaths. For years, the Bardhoshis waited and watched. They agreed to a few short truces under the kanun so the Rrushis could reap enough food to eat. They were patient. Then, in 1997, they got their chance: they killed the son of 71-year-old Ali Rrushi as he stood by his front door. - Los Angeles Times From Irish Times Saturday, August 7, 1999 KLA blamed for 'reverse ethnic cleansing' - --- WORLD VIEW / By Seamus Martin The word "understandable" is frequently used in Western Europe and the United States to describe the desire for revenge by ethnic Albanians against ethnic Serbs and Roma (Gypsies) in Kosovo. On June 21st in Prizren, the sector of Kosovo in which German troops are deployed, a series of events took place which defied understanding. On that morning, Trifun Stamenkovic and Maria Filipovic set out on separate journeys to do their shopping in the town centre. Trifun left his home at 10 a.m. and returned an hour later. He told his story to representatives of the US-based Human Rights Watch organisation. "I couldn't find my wife. When I came inside [my
[CTRL] Freedom on the Internet--NOT!!!!
-Caveat Lector- All: As they say, forewarned is forearmed, and this certainly applies to a petiton letter circulating around the net on behalf of the OpenNET Coalition (http://www.opennetcoalition.org/action/). Best to check out who the Coalition is before signing any petitions. This issue is not nearly as it has been presented by, among others in the coalition, AOL. If this Coalition is successful in it's attempt to restrain free trade on the part of the cable companies, we will be forced to accept a perpetuity of slow and shoddy ISP connections. The cable companies want a piece of the Internet market through Broadband connection and, in reality, AOL and others dont want them to horn in on the market. AOL will become nearly obsolete with the MUCH faster connection provided through Broadband (cable). There's more to this issue than meets the eye. Clipped below are the corporations comprizing this "coalition." After reading them, tell me what you think about what's going on. We need to be signing petitions alright, but NOT for this coalition of big business ISP's. From the Coalition Home Page: ~~~ The openNET Coalition consists of many of the nation's leading providers of consumer Internet services, including: A+Net Internet Services AccelerNet Access 2000 Network ACD.net Internet Services ActionWeb Services Adept Communications, LLC AcmeNet Advanced Global Net Advanced Internet Connection Services Inc. Aero Internet Services, Inc. AKC Computer Services Corp. Alexssa Enterprises, Ltd. Allegan Internet Services, Inc. America Online Amberwave Internet LLC American Digital Online Services, Inc AMUG Internet Services Anaxis Internet Atlantic.Net Internet Services, Inc. Autumn Internet Exchange Services Aye Net Internet Services BackPack Software, Inc. Baha's Web Inc. Basic Communication, Inc. Bertelsmann AG Bitstream Associates Bluegrass.net BNS, Inc. C4 Systems, Inc. Cable Wireless USA, Inc. Caribbean Internet Services Corp. Carolina Online Networks, Inc. CE Net, Inc. Cerbernet Limited Chattanooga Data Connection, Inc. CISO Citicom Communication Services Citilink Internet Cloudnet, Inc. Cloud 9 Consulting, Inc. CM2.COM, Inc. Collective Intelligence, Inc. CompuSource Internet Services Computer.Net, LLC Computer and Internet Resources. Inc. Computer Office Solutions Inc. Comwerx, Inc. Connect Northwest Internet Services Coolware, Inc. Connect Crocker Communications Crystal Clear Concepts, Inc. CSInet Internet Access CyberAgency Corp. CyberNet Nationwide (CNNW.Net) CyberRamp Internet Services Cyber Solutions CyberZone Internet Services Dakota Information Services DataStream Solutions Dave's World DigiLink Internet Services Digital Highway Communications, Inc. Digital Starlight Communications, Inc. dotSTAR Communications L.C. DLP Technologies, Inc. Dynamic Consulting, Inc. Eagle Net EazeNet Elastic Networks Eldersearch.com Electrotex Inc. Emerald Internet Services Excelr8 Networks EZ Online, Inc Fantaz Internet Services Fast Data Inc.
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [SC] Re: Kansas Board of Education vote Evolution
-Caveat Lector- Hello Bill, As stated, my opinion is strictly my opinion, and I do not require that anyone believes as I do, nor do I want to convince anyone to believe or not believe as I do. I merely state the facts as I see them, from my own personal research and education. I'm already pretty settled with what I believe and have been for over half my life now. So to tell me that what I believe is out the window... all I can say is that is pretty narrow minded to restrict someone else's system of beliefs, and attempt to replace your theories with in their stead, but ... believe whatever you will. Just don't insist that I believe as you do. You can call the Bible and it's truths mumbo jumbo with absolutely no facts or proof that it is... again, evolution is another one of those cases where most people who believe religion is a hoax, seem to also believe about their own scientific ideas... "Even though I don't have a clue how it all really fits together; but I believe it because it's logical'. This is also how many religions operate. Keeping their congregations in so deep, that they cannot or dare not step outside the boundaries of their religious order for fear that they might find out that it's not true. So, fear keeps it motivated and sacred. THAT is pure mumbo jumbo. So we not only have the normal religious fanatics out there, but we have the scientists who play pranks on people's minds with their so called truths that are clearly theory. What then is the difference between religion and science? Operationally, none, absolutely none. Bill wrote: it [evolution?] blows all the preconceptions and religious hooh-hah mumbo jumbo Right Out The Window...you no longer have to deal with all that false and erroneous emotional data If you want to believe that the creation as accounted in the Bible is 'false' and a bunch of 'hooh-hah mumbo jumbo' ... then by all means please do so. Hey, it's your choice. However, my input is that I could not disagree with you more regarding evolution, nor that the Biblical account of creation is mumbo jumbo. As a matter of fact, I find more truth in the Bible from cover to cover than any college professor, pragmaticist or scientist has ever offered in theory or fact, without any emotional drain or distraction. It simply outweighs man's thoughts on the whole thing called evolution. I've seen both sides of the coin, I've weighed the facts of both, and I choose the creation facts. This is exactly why I refuse to use my biological / life sciences teaching degree... I will not fill young people's minds with a lot of illogical evilution that has no foundation, other than it sounds good, and it looks good on paper, and on the charts. There is no evidence whatsoever to rebuild the wonders of life through evolution's portals, and as stated, I absolutely refuse to repeat THAT false mumbo jumbo to young minds who are confused enough in this society without that garbage. For I stand accountable in the end, and take that responsibility very seriously. But, as I've pointed before, my opinion is just that, an opinion, and it seems that everybody has one. I do not expect or even care if anyone believes as I do, or as I don't. It does not matter whatsoever to me to convince someone that they are wrong or right. All I can do is set the information out there, and if you choose to incorporate it, that's then your affair, and if you don't, it's still of no mind to me, one way or another. As long as freedom rings on the internet and in this country, it is of my belief, that I give you your space to believe whatsoever you choose, and I only ask the same in return. :-) peace, eagle 1 - Original Message - From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [SC] Re: Kansas Board of Education vote onEvolution -Caveat Lector- You know this is a very astute comment on the arbitrariness of reality...cool...yeah it all is very ethereal and we are so vain and it hasn't gotten better since electronic video media either...worse in factbut the order of the matter in the universe is discernible, and that is enough...to know that fungus spores carry 90% of the DNA required for life forms such as ourselves to come about is like knowing that there really are pieces of intergalactic artifacts being studied or otherwise revered on Earth...it blows all the preconceptions and religious hooh-hah mumbo jumbo Right Out The Window...you no longer have to deal with all that false and erroneous emotional dataits very liberating actuallythis milieu is not just a creation, it is Art. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
[CTRL] day of destiny
It seems the DAY OF DESTINYcame, and it went . .. August 13th, without any significant occurance. What's next on the Aztec calendar? Here's an interesting link to research. http://www.dayofdestiny.com/ eagle 1 "Make a daily effort to look upon others without condemnation.Every judgment takes you away from your goal of peace.Keep in mind that you do not define anyone with your judgment; you only define yourself ...as someone who needs to judge." [Author Unknown] .
[CTRL] Hip Hop America (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- http://www.thenation.com. Featuring editorials, essays, news and views as well as special subscription offers to The Nation, this site is the place to go for provocative, hard-hitting reporting you can't find anywhere else. by ANGELA ARDS Each generation must out of relative obscurity discover its mission, fulfill it, or betray it. --Frantz Fanon, The Wretched of the Earth I have stood in a meeting with hundreds of youngsters and joined in while they sang, "Ain't Gonna Let Nobody Turn Me Around." It's not just a song; it is resolve. A few minutes later, I have seen those same youngsters refuse to turn around before a pugnacious Bull Connor in command of men armed with power hoses. These songs bind us together, give us courage together, help us march together. --Martin Luther King Jr., Why We Can't Wait "You'll turn around if they put you in jail," a young black man quips to a peer as counselor LaTosha Brown belts out the classic freedom song. It's the kickoff of the 21st Century Youth Leadership Movement's annual winter summit, held last December at Tuskegee University in Alabama. In 1985 former SNCC activists and their children founded 21st Century on the anniversary of the Selma marches, which ushered in the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Three times a year the group convenes camps to teach movement history to a generation with little appreciation of its accomplishments. They've heard of sit-ins but little of SNCC. Media soundbites provide piecemeal knowledge of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, but who was Ella Baker? 21st Century seeks to fill in the gaps before this generation slips through. Yet the paradoxical pull of preparing for the future by building a bridge to the past reveals just how wide the chasm has grown. "When spirits got low, the people would sing," Brown explains: "The one thing we did right/Was the day we started to fight/Keep your eyes on the prize/Oh, Lord." Her rich contralto, all by itself, sounds like the blended harmonies of Sweet Honey in the Rock, but it's not stirring this crowd of 150 Southern youth. Two fresh-faced assistants bound on stage to join in like cheerleaders at a pep rally. Most of the others, however, take their cues from the older teens, slouched in their seats in an exaggerated posture of cool repose. Brown hits closer to their sensibilities when she resorts to funk. "Say it loud," she calls. "I'm black and I'm proud," they respond. But a brash cry from the back of the room speaks more to their hearts. "Can we sing some Tupac?" Another cracks, "Y'all wanna hear some Busta Rhymes?" By the weekend's close, 21st Century co-founder Rose Sanders is voicing a sentiment activists who work with young people increasingly share. "Without hip-hop," says Sanders, 53, "I don't see how we can connect with today's youth." In Hiphop America, cultural critic Nelson George writes that this post-civil rights generation may be the first black Americans to experience nostalgia. Although it's proverbial that you can't miss what you never had, or what never truly was, romantic notions of past black unity and struggle--despite the state violence that created the sense of community--magnify the despair of present realities. Public schools are almost as segregated today as at the time of the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education ruling. "Jail, no bail"--the civil-disobedience tactic used by sixties activists to dismantle Southern apartheid--could just as easily refer to the contemporary incarceration epidemic, ushered in by mandatory minimum sentencing, three-strikes-you're-out laws and the "war on drugs." The voter registration campaigns for which many Southern blacks lost jobs, land and lives are now mocked by the fact that 13 percent of African-American men--1.4 million citizens--cannot vote because of criminal records meted out by a justice system proven to be neither blind nor just. Hip-hop was created in the mid-seventies as black social movements quieted down, replaced by electoral politics. It has deep sixties cultural and political roots; Gil Scott-Heron and The Last Poets are considered the forebears of rap. But once the institutions that supported radical movements collapsed or turned their attention elsewhere, the seeds of hip-hop were left to germinate in American society at large--fed by its materialism, misogyny and a new, more insidious kind of state violence. Under the watch of a new establishment of black and Latino elected officials, funding for youth services, arts programs and community centers was cut while juvenile detention centers and prisons grew. Public schools became way stations warehousing youth until they were of prison age. Drugs and the violence they attract seeped into the vacuum that joblessness left. Nowhere was this decay more evident than in the South Bronx, which came to symbolize
[CTRL] Dixoin: It's What's for Dinner! (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message - Alternet Independent news Information http://www.alternet.org/Public Archive/Allen813.html Dioxin: It's What's for Dinner! By Terry J. Allen, IN THESE TIMES Between mid-January and the end of May, hundreds of tons of food--potentially contaminated with dioxin and PCBs--entered the United States from Europe. Some already has been eaten, some still sits in stores and pantries. The problem started in January in Belgium when a small fat-rendering company incorporated dioxin and PCB-laced oil into its recycled fat. Eighty tons of poisoned fat then were sold to at least a dozen animal feed companies, most in Belgium, but at least one each in France and Holland. Like ink dropped in a glass of water, the 1,800 tons of animal feed they manufactured spread around the world THROUGH THE VAST CORPORATE FOOD CHAINS AND COMPLEX INTERNATIONAL TRADE NETWORKS. It took Belgian officials until March--when a startlingly high number of chickens started mysteriously dropping dead--to discover the contamination. After tracing the problem to the dioxin-laced fat, the government sat on the information until May 27 before going public. By then it was far too late to contain the economic, political and public health disaster. Belgian farmers lost more than a half-billion dollars; the ruling party lost the June election; and an unknowable number of reproductive and nervous system problems and cancers were spawned. During the four months between contamination and disclosure, livestock had eaten the feed, stored the dioxin in their body fat, and passed it on in milk, eggs and meat to humans and other animals. Some food contained almost 1,000 times the US limit for the cumulative poison; just one of the contaminated eggs could increase a three year old child's dioxin load by 20 percent. Dioxin and PCBs are dangerous toxic chemicals and potent carcinogens that pose a serious public health threat. It takes 20,000 times less dioxin than DDT to kill a person outright. But the real danger is that dioxin and pCBs accumulate in body fat over a lifetime and are passed on to fetuses in the womb and to babies through breast milk. The French ministry of the environment last year estimates that as many as 5,200 French people die each year from cancer caused by dioxins. Even low doses are dangerous according to a 1994 EPA report, which found no "safe" level. As the extent of the problem became apparent, Belgium recalled up to 800 products, shut down 1,400 farms and issues directives that affected approximately 100,000 businesses. The US response was marked with inconsistencies. The FDA, which regulates all food except meat and poultry, waited until June 11 to put a hold on animal feed from the EU and egg products from Belgium, Holland and France; on June 23, it embargoed Belgian dairy products. OFFICIALS AT THE CENTER FOR VETERINARY MEDICINE WERE ASTONISHED TO DISCOVER THE AMOUNT OF ANIMAL FEED THAT WAS EITHER IMPORTED FROM, MANUFACTURED IN, OR INCORPORATED INGREDIENTS FROM EUROPE. THEY ESTIMATED THAT HUNDREDS OF TONS OF POTENTIALLY CONTAMINATED PRODUCTS, FROM KITTY SNACKS TO DAIRY COW STARTER, ENTERED THE US DURING THE FOUR-MONTH WINDOW AND ADMITTED THEY HAD NO WAY TO TRACE BATCHES BACK TO MANUFACTURERS. Speaking on condition of anonymity, one USDA employee acknowledges that public health was not the ONLY consideration in determining policy: "There is the whole international trade thing, (the recent trade wars over) bananas, pork, beef...Any of these international issues could be coming into play." . While the Belgian dioxin scandal may have proven politically opportunte for US policy makers, it may have less happy consequences for consumers. There is no way to assess the quantity of Belgian dioxin that people around the world consumed before the ban and--in the US, with its lack of recall--after it. The chemicals already are pervasive in the environment and the Belgian contaminants simply will be added to the carcinogens already stored in the body fat of the world's mammals. In the southeast United States in 1997, the EPA discovered that for years chickens and farm-raised catfish had been eating feed to which dioxin-rich clay had been added as an anti-caking agent. According to reporting by D. MacKenzie in the British magazine New Scientist, the FDA eventually banned the feed--but allowed moderatley contaminated chickens to be sold as food, as long as most of the fat was removed. While levels in the US samples--at least at the time they were discovered--were lower than in the Belgian feed, the contamination had a longer time to accumulate in consumers. In the end, the Belgian incident was extraordinary not for the quantity of dioxin involved but FOR THE WAY IT SPREAD SO QUICKLY AROUND THE WORLD. The combination of industrial farming and globalization created conditions under which accident or misconduct by one small producer had worldwide political, economic and
[CTRL] On Dealing with Idiots
-Caveat Lector- Over the somewhat more than two years I've been part of CTRL, we've seen numerous attempts by Nazis, Christian Identity types, and assorted other racists and Antisemites to force their agendas on the rest of us. We've tried every conceivable method of getting rid of them, including the electronic equivalent of kicking them out the door, but they keep coming back. We've tried reasoning with them, citing the *real* versions of texts they insisted on perverting, giving them carefully-researched facts; we've tried yelling at them, we've tried ignoring them, we've tried virtually everything under the sun. Except for one last approach... In *The Screwtape Letters*, C.S. Lewis includes the following epigrams, which seem extremely appropriate: "The best way to drive out the devil, if he will not yield to texts of Scripture, is to jeer and flout him, for he cannot bear scorn." -- Martin Luther "The devil...the prowde spirit...cannot endure to be mocked." -- Thomas More Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Millions for Viagra, Pennies for Diseases of the Poor (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message --- MILLIONS FOR VIAGRA, PENNIES FOR DISEASES OF THE POOR RESEARCH MONEY GOES TO PROFITABLE LIFESTYLE DRUGS by KEN SILVERSTEIN Almost three times as many people, most of them in tropical countries of the Third World, die of preventable, curable diseases as die of AIDS. Malaria, tuberculosis, acute lower-respiratory infections--in 1998, these claimed 6.1 million lives. People died because the drugs to treat those illnesses are nonexistent or are no longer effective. They died because it doesn't pay to keep them alive. Only 1 percent of all new medicines brought to market by multinational pharmaceutical companies between 1975 and 1997 were designed specifically to treat tropical diseases plaguing the Third World. In numbers, that means thirteen out of 1,223 medications. Only four of those thirteen resulted from research by the industry that was designed specifically to combat tropical ailments. The others, according to a study by the French group Doctors Without Borders, were either updated versions of existing drugs, products of military research, accidental discoveries made during veterinary research or, in one case, a medical breakthrough in China. Certainly, the majority of the other 1,210 new drugs help relieve suffering and prevent premature death, but some of the hottest preparations, the ones that, as the New York Times put it, drug companies "can't seem to roll...out fast enough," have absolutely nothing to do with matters of life and death. They are what have come to be called lifestyle drugs--remedies that may one day free the world from the scourge of toenail fungus, obesity, baldness, face wrinkles and impotence. The market for such drugs is worth billions of dollars a year and is one of the fastest-growing product lines in the industry. The drug industry's calculus in apportioning its resources is cold-blooded, but there's no disputing that one old, fat, bald, fungus-ridden rich man who can't get it up counts for more than half a billion people who are vulnerable to malaria but too poor to buy the remedies they need. Western interest in tropical diseases was historically linked to colonization and war, specifically the desire to protect settlers and soldiers. Yellow fever became a target of biomedical research only after it began interfering with European attempts to control parts of Africa. "So obvious was this deterrence...that it was celebrated in song and verse by people from Sudan to Senegal," Laurie Garrett recounts in her extraordinary book The Coming Plague. "Well into the 1980s schoolchildren in Ibo areas of Nigeria still sang the praises of mosquitoes and the diseases they gave to French and British colonialists." US military researchers have discovered virtually all important malaria drugs. Chloroquine was synthesized in 1941 after quinine, until then the primary drug to treat the disease, became scarce following Japan's occupation of Indonesia. The discovery of Mefloquine, the next advance, came about during the Vietnam War, in which malaria was second only to combat wounds in sending US troops to the hospital. With the end of a ground-based US military strategy came the end of innovation in malaria medicine. The Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) claimed in newspaper ads early this year that its goal is to "set every last disease on the path to extinction." Jeff Trewhitt, a PhRMA spokesman, says US drug companies will spend $24 billion on research this year and that a number of firms are looking for cures for tropical diseases. Some companies also provide existing drugs free to poor countries, he says. "Our members are involved. There's not an absolute void." The void is certainly at hand. Neither PhRMA nor individual firms will reveal how much money the companies spend on any given disease--that's proprietary information, they say--but on malaria alone, a recent survey of the twenty-four biggest drug companies found that not a single one maintains an in-house research program, and only two expressed even minimal interest in primary research on the disease. "The pipeline of available drugs is almost empty," says Dyann Wirth of the Harvard School of Public Health, who conducted the study. "It takes five to ten years to develop a new drug, so we could soon face [a strain of] malaria resistant to every drug in the world." A 1996 study presented in Cahiers Santeacute;, a French scientific journal, found that of forty-one important medicines used to treat major tropical diseases, none were discovered in the nineties and all but six were discovered before 1985. Contributing to this trend is the wave of mergers that has swept the industry over the past decade. Merck alone now controls almost 10 percent of the world market. "The bigger they grow, the more they decide that their research should be focused on the most
[CTRL] The Protocols / Masonry - 3/3
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Scarlet and the Beast - A History of the War Between English and French Freemasonry by John Daniel (C)1994 Chapter 13 -- part 3 of 3 THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF SION Protocols of Sion and the Priory of Sion The authors of Holy Blood, Holy Grail suggest that the Priory of Sion, and not the Reform Jews, was connected to the Protocols of Sion in Russia. The authors build their case around Rosicrucian French Masons who had worked their way into the good graces of Czar Nicholas II. Here is their story: The role of Rasputin at the court of Nicholas and Alexandra of Russia is more or less generally known. It is not generally known, however, that there were influential, even powerful esoteric enclaves at the Russian court long before Rasputin. During the 1890s and 1900s one such enclave formed itself around an individual known as Monsieur Philippe and around his mentor, who made periodic visits to the imperial court at Petersburg. And Monsieur Philippe's mentor was none other than the man called Papus.(82) Papus (1865-1916), a Gentile, was the Masonic code name for Dr. Gerard Encausse, a 33rd degree Mason from Paris, who became the occult adviser of the ill-fated Czar Nicholas II.(83) Papus was Grand Master of both Memphis and Mizraim Freemasonries, the two Rosicrucian lodges that had merged in 1875. One of Papus's acquaintances was Claude Debussy (1862-1918), a famous composer who set a number of Victor Hugo's poems to music. Debussy was the next Grand Master of the Priory of Sion following Hugo's death in 1885, and reigned in that position until 1918.(84) Freemason A.E. Waite tells us that in 1894 Papus was also the Grand Master of the Martinist Masonic Supreme Council in Paris. Martinism admitted both male and female members on equal terms. This Order had a number of lodges throughout Europe and Russia. Chapters were also established in Great Britain, the United States, Argentina and Guatemala, as well as throughout the Orient.(85) Martinism was originally founded in 1754 by a Rosicrucian Spanish Jew named Martines de Pasqually, or Martinez Paschalis. The emblem for this branch of Freemasonry consists of six dots, which we have learned in a previous chapter is a subtle form of the Masonic six-pointed star. The six-pointed star is the same herald of the Priory of Sion, the Mizraim Masonic Lodge and Zionism.(86) Pasqually's Lodges were first organized at Marseilles, Toulouse, and Bordeaux, then in Paris. Before long Rosicrucian Martinist lodges spread all over France, with the center at Lyons. Martinism was thought to have been a Jewish secret society. It was operated, however in the same manner as was the Mizraim Lodge, in that Jews and Gentiles alike were members. Behind the scenes, however, was the Priory of Sion, distinguished by the Rose-Croix capstone in Martinist Lodges. Nesta Webster explains: "After the first three Craft degrees came the Cohen degrees of the same -- Apprentice Cohen, Fellow Craft Cohen, and Master Cohen -- then those of Grand Architect, Grand Elect of Zerubbabel of Knight of the East; but above these were concealed degrees leading up to the Rose-Croix, which formed the capstone of the ediflce."(87) Webster also claims that Martinist "disciples inherited from Pasqually a large number of Jewish manuscripts."(88) She leaves the reader with the impression that these manuscripts are none other than the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion -- in existence a full century before they were stolen from its sister Mizraim lodge in 1884.(89) If so, these documents may only have suggested Judaic origins because of the Davidic claims expressed within them by the Priory of Sion. A century later the stamp of "Priory of Sion" is even more evident on Martinism when a Freemason named Alphonse Louis Constant (1810-1875) joined the Martinist Order. Constant was a Gentile Mason who assumed the Jewish name -- Eliphas Levi. This is the same Eliphas Levi who assisted the Grand Master of Sion, Charles Nodier, in methodically sifting and cataloging thousands of Templar documents looted from the Vatican by Napoleon Bonaparte. Levi was also acquainted with Nodier's successor, Victor Hugo. After Levi joined the Martinist Masonic lodge, the lodge merged with both the Memphis and Mizraim Lodges. Levi apparently had access to the forgotten Protocol documents in the Mizraim Lodge a decade before they were discovered in 1884 Webster informs us that "[b]efore his death in 1875 Eliphas Levi announced that in 1879 a new political and religious 'universal Kingdom' would be established, and that it would be possessed by 'him who would have the keys of the East."(90) Three Protocols have significant relationship to this prophecy: Protocol 15: When the King of Israel sets upon his sacred head the crown offered him by Europe he will become patriarch of the
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Its not just school, its an adventure]
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- IT'S NOT JUST SCHOOL, IT'S AN ADVENTURE By Ray Quintanilla, Tribune Education Writer. Sporting baggy designer blue jeans, faded T-shirts and expensive sneakers, they stood in line for more than an hour, learning to salute. A few raised a left hand to their brow, a mistake that was immediately corrected by Maj. James O'Rourke, a 20-year military veteran who roamed the lines to inspect his new Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps cadets. snip Hitler Youth, 90's-style... Get 'em indoctrinated early, while their computer-game reflexes are nice and sharp. Besides, it beats the hell out of gym class. Bob (who enrolled in ROTC in college in 1964 to get out of Phys Ed...) = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Its not just school, its an adventure]
-Caveat Lector- Right on, Bob! :) On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Robert Tatman wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- IT'S NOT JUST SCHOOL, IT'S AN ADVENTURE By Ray Quintanilla, Tribune Education Writer. Sporting baggy designer blue jeans, faded T-shirts and expensive sneakers, they stood in line for more than an hour, learning to salute. A few raised a left hand to their brow, a mistake that was immediately corrected by Maj. James O'Rourke, a 20-year military veteran who roamed the lines to inspect his new Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps cadets. snip Hitler Youth, 90's-style... Get 'em indoctrinated early, while their computer-game reflexes are nice and sharp. Besides, it beats the hell out of gym class. Bob (who enrolled in ROTC in college in 1964 to get out of Phys Ed...) = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] InterNet Foes
-Caveat Lector- Picture: Letters of protest and Press releasePicture Press Release - 9 August 1999 The twenty enemies of the Internet Forty-five countries restrict their citizens' access to the internet - usually by forcing them to subscribe to a state-run Internet Service Provider (ISP). Twenty of these countries may be described as real enemies of this new means of communication. On the pretext of protecting the public from "subversive ideas" or defending "national security and unity", some governments totally prevent their citizens from gaining access to the internet. Others control a single ISP or even several, installing filters blocking access to web sites regarded as unsuitable and sometimes forcing users to officially register with the authorities. The internet is a two-edged sword for authoritarian regimes. On the one hand, it enables any citizen to enjoy an unprecedented degree of freedom of speech and therefore constitutes a threat to the government. On the other, however, the internet is a major factor in economic growth, due in particular to online trade and the exchange of technical and scientific information, which prompts some of these governments to support its spread. The economic argument seems to be winning the day in countries such as Malaysia and Singapore, where controlling "dangerous" sites is proving difficult for the authorities. Moreover, web surfers can find ways round censorship: encoding, going through servers that offer anonymity when consulting banned sites or sending email, connecting via GSM telephones and cellphones, and so on. Reporters Sans Frontières has selected 20 countries that it regards as enemies of the internet because they control access totally or partially, have censored web sites or taken action against users. They are: the countries of Central Asia and the Caucasus (Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kirghizia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan), Belarus, Burma, China, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Sierra Leone, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia and Vietnam. Belarus In line with its repressive attitude towards other media, Alexander Lukashenka's government does not leave its citizens free to explore the internet independently. Access is supplied by a single ISP, Belpak, which belongs to the state. Burma Censorship is total, due to a state monopoly on access. In addition, a law passed in September 1996 obliges anyone who owns a computer to declare it to the government. Those who fail to comply may face up to 15 years in prison. Central Asia and the Caucasus In most of these countries, the authorities control or restrict internet access. In Tajikistan, a single ISP, Telecom Technologies, owned by the government, offers web access - and only in the capital, Dushanbe. Turkmenistan, a "black hole" where information is concerned, offers even more restricted access. Although there are privately owned ISPs in Uzbekistan and Azerbaijan, their operations are controlled by the telecommunications ministry, which is responsible for chastising those who speak out against the government. In Kazakhstan, and to a lesser extent in Kirghizia, the authorities demand prohibitively expensive usage and connection fees from private ISPs. China Although internet use is spreading rapidly, the government is trying to keep up pressure on users. They are closely monitored and are supposed to register with the authorities. In January 1999 a computer technician, Lin Hai, was sentenced to two years in prison by a Shanghai court for giving the email addresses of 30,000 Chinese subscribers to a dissident site that publishes an online magazine from the United States. Meanwhile officials fearing disturbances as the tenth anniversary of the Tiananmen massacre (4 June 1999) drew near ordered the closure of 300 cybercafÈs in Shanghai, on the pretext that they did not have the necessary authorisation. In order to prevent the Chinese from finding information on the web, the authorities have blocked access to some sites. This happened to the BBC in October 1998. Zhang Weiguo, editor of the New Century Net (www.ncn.org) site, in Chinese, launched in the United States in 1996, estimates that it takes two months on average for the Chinese authorities to track down the relay server of a site and block access to it. The sites then change their address. Some censored pages are distributed by email, like underground newspapers that are photocopied and passed around secretly. Cuba The government controls the internet, just as it does other media. There is no free expression in Cuba at national level. About ten independent - and illegal - news agencies such as Cubanet and Cuba Free Press telephone reports to organisations based in Miami which publish them on their web pages. But this news is still the subject of repression: in October 1998, a foreign ministry official filed a complaint for "insult"
[CTRL] Microsoft's prescience
-Caveat Lector- Do they know something we don't? http://www.ntk.net/doh/19990730jfksim.gif (screenshot from Microsoft Flight Simulator) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New York, New York
-Caveat Lector- It was in the summer of 1973. With the death of my father, i decided to leave California and head back to the East Coast. Perhaps some of you know that feeling. You've lived in a place for years, and you reason that if you don't break out of the old familiar patterns, you will be driven somewhat nuts from the tedium of the ordinary. Of course, I was single and stupid enough not to know that there are certain hard economic facts that are inescapable in America, no matter where you go. Changing your place of residence can actually throw you into a more difficult situation than the one you're in. But if you're a restless spirit, perhaps you can't help yourself. The American novelist Theodore Drieser believed that our lives are controlled by subtle inexorable forces beyond our control. Each of us is caught up in a complex web of tendencies and predilections, energies which we might not fully understand. Whether that is true or not, I don't know, but in the summer of 1973, I wanted to get as far away as possible from familiar scenes; and New York seemed like as good a destination as any to me. So, I was off. I traveled for five days and nights on a Trailways Bus--making a reverse Kerouac-ian "on the road" journey to dread Gotham, the megalopolis of every American's imagination. I'll never forget the sight of the city's skyline as the bus rolled across the Hudson into the Port Authority Terminal. I was immediately plunged into a form of culture shock: the noise and the smell of the city... I had five hundred dollars on me, so I headed for the YMCA in the Chelsea district. I was twenty-five years old, alone, in a city that I had only read about. And a form of disssociation set in. It took me at least four days to get used to the crowds, the constant twenty-four hour noise of the city streets, and to learn how to get around on the subway system. But first, there was the need to find a job. As the days passed by, and my dollars began to disappear, I ended up paying one hundred dollars to an employment agency for a job in the garment district. I lived for three years in the city, staying in a rundown hotel on Forty-Third Street, while I worked at a ribbon exporter's shop on Thirty-Eighth Street. The experience was a transformative one. Why? Because there is something about New York that strips away all of one's illusions and self-sustaining myths. In the city, the smiling aspects of capitalism are removed; and one comes into full and complete awareness of the reigning power of money. Unlike life in the South and in the West where a number of comfortable support systems are maintained (social and religious) in order to ameliorate the harsher aspects of capitalism, in the city, the power of the dollar reigns supreme. One survives or perishes under the sway of the dollar. Along Eighth Avenue, there were pimps who waited every day for the buses to unload their passengers, many of whom were fresh-faced young girls from the Midwest looking for the excitement of the city. One could find people sprawled on the sidewalk, either intoxicated or trying to sleep, while the crowds passed around them obeying the cardinal rule of street survival: don't get involved. But as I got to know New Yorkers, I came to love them. What first appeared to me to be indifferent streets were really tiny little neighborhoods. And at work, although the workers were from a variety of different countries and places, we were all really just brothers and sisters, after all; fragile, imperfect human beings trying to keep our lives together in an indifferent world that could devour one at anytime. There was a kindly old Jewish man who had worked for the firm for thirty-five years, every day taking the subway into Manhattan from Brooklyn to work in the city. And there was George, the foreman, a black man from the Bronx who had also worked for the firm for years. I worked with people of every nationality and race, and I learned from them. But the city taught me some cruel lessons about our system that I'll never forget. The Times Square Motor Hotel had its share of "jumpers," people whose luck had run out. I'll always remember the young girl who I had admired in the lobby of the hotel. After checking into the hotel, on the following day, she threw herself out of a ninth floor window, only to land on an elderly man, killing both herself and him in a horrible scene that I had the misfortune to witness. And while living in the city, I would be robbed at gunpoint in one of the hotel's corridors. I always had the sense that violence might erupt at anytime around any corner. Living in the city taught me not only how tenuous our hold on life truly is, but living in the grip of Malthus's "iron law of wages," in the underbelly of the beast, I would emerge shorn of any illusions about the true nature of our economic system. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange
Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Monday #1]
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] "ric carter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : How many variations are in YOUR genes? Are you damaged, distorted, mutant, misengineered? Did your creator(s) really muck you up, gene- wise? How come?? I will have you know, sir, that I am a veritable MASS of sublethal recessive traits... Ah, another un-indicted co-conspirator. But, aren't we all? Obviously, The Conspiracy has successfully implanted genetic time-bombs into all of humanity, as part of their preparations for the Reptilioid harvest. We're fattened and weakened, gene-tromped and lipid-stuffed, whilst we burn more fossil fuels, raising ambient temperatures to Reptoid comfort levels. Your sublethal recessive pattern is no accident, no coincidence, but another step in a careful plan to rid Earth of us. Yow. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [SC] Re: Kansas Board of Education vote on Evolution
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just my input: Common DNA ancestory isn't even an argument. All mammals have common DNA, (and so what?). Gee, why d'ya think THAT is? Possible explanations: 1) It's unknowable. 2) Deities, or alien entities masquarading as deities, created all life on earth from a common model, but with just enough variation so that humans would be tricked into thinking that humans and other animals actually shared a common ancestry, when actually we're all constructs. 3) Humans and all other lifeforms known actually DID evolve from common ancestors. Mammals have similar DNA because we're all related. The degree of DNA similarity reliably indicates the span of relatedness. Guess what? Number three (3) works. If you have a more comprehensive, more parsimonious explanation, please whip it out. EVOLUTION is the lie of millennial and historical proportions. Evolution can be observed (cf. influenza). You are writing nonsense. Regrets. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do omnipotent conspiracies exist that control information, politics, economics? Unknowable - if such conspiracies DO exist, all one THINKS one knows about them derives from data that they control; thus the conspiratorialist is their dupe, manipulated by all their leaks, their disinfo campaigns. Not so, since even "grand" conspiracies can't control all infor- mation all the time. It is possible to get unmodified information and form an opinion. How can you be sure about that? How can you be sure that anything you think you know about a conspiracy hasn't been fabricated and leaked by the conspiracy? How do we know that you aren't and agent of The Conspiracy, working to lull us into believing that some of what is posted here is true/relevant? How do you know that I'm not an agent of The Conspiracy, working to discredit all investigators? That's my point - once one posits the existence of a sufficiently powerful conspiracy, NOTHING can be trusted, NO information can be accepted, NOBODY can be who they seem/claim. Paranoia Central, eh? It is true though that since much of what is disseminated is controlled as disinformation (or truth if it suits their purpose) it is difficult to KNOW if any given conspiracy is in fact "real". It is not unknowable, just difficult to uncover. A good disinfo campaign is like an onion, with many layers, each peeled away to reveal another, then another, ad infinitum, until a 'core' of truth is reached - but there's no core there, no truth, just air, skin after skin of onion-paper covering... nothing... so, what's to uncover? Is there any 'there' there? How can we tell? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Liddy Dole Supports Kansas
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Stephen Carville [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 6:31 PM Subject: Re: Liddy Dole Supports Kmansas Richard Uhrich wrote: Omigod! I just saw it on "Meet the Press." She thinks it should be left to the states to decide whether religious fanatics therein can block the teaching of important scientific facts they disagree with in public schools. This may sound a bit conspiratorial but has anyone ever looked into the funding for these Creationists groups? They all try to portray themselves as defending Truth, Justice and, the American way but, in the long run, the groups who will benefit most are foreign companies that compete with US firms. What better way to sabotage a country's future economy than to make sure it's next generation of scientists are saddled with a load of superstitious codswallop? -- Stephen Carville [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's all right to have geniuses build systems for use by idiots, but the path from laboratory to marketplace needs to go through the proving ground of prudent engineering. Peter Coffee DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Campaign 2000 - a Socialist candidate (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 99-08-15 17:43:17 EDT, Ric Carter writes: But when people define socialism/communism as being ANY community/gov't intrusion in economic activity, they're just plain wrong. Bother. In socialism/communism government owns the means of production, if that isn't intrusion in economic activity ... What IS? If you choose to answer, please use common english rather than riddles. Answers are less important than questions, so I like to ask questions. How do you define socialism and communism, and distinguish between them? If they're the same, do you mind if I use RED to mean social/commun-istic? Does "means of production" include education? If so, then are public schools inherently RED? If US public schools over the last couple of centuries trained a workforce that consistently out-produces and out- designs the rest of the world, is US world dominance a RED trick? Does "means of production" include highways and other communications infrastructure? If so, then are non-private networks of roads, wires, etc. RED? Are the gov't -built road nets in the US, and the tremendous economic traffic they carry, all RED tricks? Are gov't-run postal communications a RED trick? Was Benjamin Franklin a commie? Does "means of production" include providing medical, health, sanitation services? Are gov't-run hospitals, clinics, pest-abatement programs, garbage haulers, water suppliers, health/safety monitoring, food drug inspections, all RED tricks? Were all US Surgeons General commies? OK, here's a view: People gather in all sorts of combinations to perform actions they can't do by themselves. They organize groups that may last briefly or for a long time. They charter/incorporate organizations for purposes that benefit more than a single individual. Such corporations may be commercial, hoping for monetary profits; or non-commercial, hoping for social benefits; or governmental, hoping to regularize the interactions between individuals and groups and organizations. Commercial non-commercial groups [which I'll refer to here as Non-Gov't Orgs, NGOs] are chartered under the laws of the locality, state, nation in which they operate; those that don't, are outlaws, literally. In our democratic republic, gov't is the common expression of the will of the voting population; NGOs serve much more limited constituencies. So NGOs exist/operate under rules created/ enforced by representatives of the electorate. Is it gov't intrusion for the electorate to want health/safety laws? Is it gov't intrusion for the electorate to want certain standards of behavior, like criminalizing assault, battery, murder, theft, fraud? Is it gov't intrusion for the electorate to want NGOs to be accountable for their activities, activities that affect the economic and social and physical health of the populace? Is it gov't intrusion for the electorate to want industries to NOT pollute air/land/water, to want NGOs to NOT hand out bribes, to want groups to NOT discriminate on the basis of gender, ethnicity, belief? OK, here's another view: I am suspicious of those why decry gov't intrusion. I suspect they wish to do things that will gain benefits for themselves while injuring the economic, social and/or physical health of many others. I suspect the self-serving, the demagogues, the frenzy-wallahs who try to polarize the populace. I also suspect the intellectually lazy who label whatever they don't like "communist". But normally I'm pretty easy-going. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: US Air Force-Spraying Toxic Substances--But WHICH U.S.Air Force?]
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http://www.pufori.org/omega_agency.htm
Hi all this is really important.The Omega group is written about here.
Regards,
Nicky
"NewsHawk Inc." wrote:
US Air Force--Spraying Toxic Substances?
Copyright NewsHawk Inc.
All rights reserved.
No sooner do we find out that spooks from Air Force intelligence
sub-agencies are deeply involved in the programming and such of the
mind-controlled mass shooters currently activated to terrorize our
nation, then we come across (more) HARD PROOF that the USAF is ALSO
dispersing various substances from it's KC-135s and other craft on a
regular and high-volume basis.
These substances, according to testimony from unwilling victims all over
North America INCLUDING Canada, are responsible for a bewildering and
extensive list of severe and debilitating physical distress and disease.
As well, documentation exists that at least some of the materials
dispersed by U.S. aircraft consist of toxic metals including but not
only aluminum; ALSO very high levels of UNUSUAL (as in GENETICALLY
altered) molds and fungi--substances which are known to have a very
negative impact on human health and well-being as well as on that of
many other lifeforms on the planet.
Who really even KNOWS what this stuff is doing to us??!!
Thousands of witnesses and victims from all corners of the continent
have experienced and seen the same activity and results and have
provided visual documentation as well as chemical analysis of the
residues in several cases, such as in this case of an on-going aerial
assault on a region in northern Ontario, Canada.
Some residents of the area have photographic evidence of USAF KC-135s
involved in this exact activity. When confronted with the fact of the
existence of this photographic evidence, the best that Air Force
flak-catcher, PR guy and front man Lt. Col. Stevie Shapiro could do was
say the Air Force doesn't have any such craft operating in that area.
Wow. Oh really?
Is that supposed to mean that SOMEBODY ELSE is operating the Air
Forces's KC135s then?
Or is Shapiro just following orders and reading his cue-cards, whether
or not he knows the real truth?
Obviously, the witnesses have not conspired with owners and operators of
KC-135s to stage an entire, deliberately falsified event. yet this
apparently is what the Air Force would have us believe. Unless as noted
they are saying by omission that that USAF KC-135s are spraying the
substances, but someone else is flying them. Considering all the reports
of NATO/UN/NWO military contingents operating within our country and of
pending schemes to put the U.S. military and that of other countries in
North America under control of such New World Order organizations and
accompanying highly suspect mandates, such a possibility as the latter
may in fact be true. Perhaps UN/NATO personnel are in charge of this
mass spraying of unhealthy, dangerous substances upon the population at large.
I must note in closing, however, that a number of long-term and reliable
contacts we know have indicated to us that in the Air Force, in nearly
ALL branches of the military and in much the federal government as a
whole (as well as STATE government to some degree) there is a MAJOR
split or schism running through the entire structure; resulting in at
LEAST two/three main factions and surely some smaller ones as well.
Opposing factions are literally in "control" of different groups within
the branches and agencies of the federal government, and are all making
strenuous and severe attempts to control the future direction of the country.
There is a strongly pro-New World Order ("4th Reich") faction,
definitely the most unpleasant of the lot. Their prime directive is
pretty much across-the-boards oppression, suppression, enslavement, and
malevolent manipulation of humanity at large, to the greatest extent
possible; with an on-going objective of intensifying the grip upon
humanity at every conceivable turn and by every (newly) available means.
These guys REALLY suck completely. THESE are the people who were BEHIND
the creation of The Nazi regime and the Third Reich in Germany; as well
as (to pick just one) the brutal Bolshevik/red Communist horror which
engulfed so much of eastern Europe at the same TIME IN HISTORY.
There is also a strongly "strict constructionist" faction; which
supports the upholding of certain "inalienable", fundamental human and
civil right for human beings
up to a point at least (reductions in
personal freedoms/liberties a distinct possibility if this bunch gains
control, however). Their prime directive? It could best be described as
"traditional", moderate "American" values as manifested in a democratic
republic. The Air Force and the Army are said to be pretty evenly
divided between these two named factions ; however, the Navy is
thought to be VERY pro-NWO. (It was put to me that there are at least
TWO "Air Forces"!)
There
[CTRL] FW: (en) (ca) ACTION: Commute the sentence of Mondo we Langa!
forwarded.
Dave Hartleyhttp://www.Asheville-Computer.comhttp://www.ioa.com/~davehart
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of GorkaSent:
Monday, August 16, 1999 4:53 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:
(en) (ca) ACTION: Commute the sentence of Mondo we
Langa!Mondo we Langa, together with Edward Poindexter, they
were some of the principal founding members of the chapter of Omaha of the Black
Panthers, in Nebraska. Mondo we Langa, that in that era answered to the name
of David Rice, was information minister of the magazine "Freedom by any means
necessary" and was one of the activists of the afroamerican community that for
the FBI and the policeman of Omaha had to of be immediately" neutralized
"(murdered or condemned of by life). Both activists were accused of the
death of a policeman (Larry T. Menard), with the only one accusation of a young
Afro-American of 16 years (Duane Christopher Peak) that changed in several
occasions your initial testimony, after be pressed and threatened by the
policeman with be executed in the electrical chair and with taking reprisals
against your family. In spite of the fact that in your first statements Duane C.
Peak was recognized as author of the placement of the pump that killed to the
policeman, it was four years in prison and left at large upon going from author
of the facts to witness of the accusation. Meanwhile, Mondo we Langa and Edward
Poindexter, in a judgement to which was given to her much advertising and in the
one which in spite of the fact that did not exist tests in your against, they
were condemned to chain for life since in that era in Nebraska there was not
death penalty. The police assembly was clear and it did not remain the smaller
doubts upon appearing, finally of much time, a tape of a recording that the FBI
had put excessive interest in their disappearance and that was supposed
destroyed, but of the one which a policeman had kept a copy. The apparition and
the content of the tape was known after the said policeman death and puts in all
evidence the police version and his perverse assembly. With the penalty of
Mondo we Langa and Edward Poindexter, and the chase of your activists, the Black
Panthers disappeared thoroughly from Omaha. Without a change of
political will, all these activists seem condemned to die executed or to happen
the rest of their days in prison as testimony of the police and political chase
and of the complicity of the mistakes of the justice system of the USA.
Therefore it is necessary to press before the institutions so that put them
immediately at large.Send urgently a letter to the address and with the
text that appears more down.The Nebraska Board of PardonsPO Box
94754Lincoln, NE 68509 - USAGentlemen:I am very concerned
about those political dissidents of the 60s and 70s who remain in prison, even
though subsequent evidence indicates that they were targeted by the FBI, and
were convicted on faulty evidence.Mondo we Langa (formerly David Rice)
is one such prisoner, and he has been incarcerated for 29 years, for a crime he
denies committing Evidence obtained long after his trial raises doubts about the
fairness of his conviction. I ask that you act to honor his
constitutional rights, and immediately commute his sentence to time
served.Thank you for recognizing the responsibilities of public servants
to uphold human rights in the United States.Sincerely,(Name, address
and
signature)Mondo
we Langa, junto con Edward Poindexter, fueron unos de los principales miembros
fundadores del capítulo de Omaha de los Panteras Negras, en Nebraska. Mondo
we Langa, que en esa época respondía al nombre de David Rice, era ministro de
información de la revista "Freedom by any means necessary" ("Libertad por todos
los medios posibles") y era uno de los activistas de la comunidad afroamericana
que para el FBI y la policía de Omaha debía de ser inmediatamente "neutralizado"
(asesinado o condenado de por vida). Ambos activistas fueron acusados de la
muerte de un policía (Larry T. Menard), con la única acusación de un joven
afroamericano de 16 años (Duane Christopher Peak) que cambió en varios ocasiones
su testimonio inicial, después de ser presionado y amenazado por la policía con
ser ejecutado en la silla eléctrica y con tomar represalias contra su familia. A
pesar de que en sus primeras declaraciones Duane C. Peak se reconoció como autor
de la colocación de la bomba que mató al policía, estuvo cuatro años en prisión
y salió en libertad al pasar de autor de los hechos a testigo de la acusación.
Mientras tanto, Mondo we Langa y Edward Poindexter, en un juicio al que se le
dió mucha publicidad y en el que a pesar de que no existiesen pruebas en su
contra, fueron condenados a cadena perpétua ya que en esa época en Nebraska no
había pena de muerte. El montaje policial fue
[CTRL] Most powerful sound ever produced by humankind
-Caveat Lector- SNETNEWS Mailing List Sonar Press Release US NAVY PLAN TO ENSONIFY THE WORLD'S OCEANS WITH LOW FREQUENCY ACTIVE SONAR FINALLY OUT IN THE PUBLIC ARENA. LFAS is regarded by environmentalists as quite possibly the loudest amp; most powerful sound ever produced by humankind After years of delays, the US Navy has finally released a lengthy draft document and an Environmental Impact Statement for Low Frequency Active Sonar. Previous testing of the new sonar equipment was done without review or an EIS. This is the first public disclosure of the overall program. That's if you can read and understand it! The document is a challenging bound publication of over 400 pages of highly technical information containing two Environmental Impact Statements. LFA Sonar produces a powerful underwater sound, which has the potential to be audible in every ocean of the world. Overall, the US Navy declares a favorable evaluation of the environmental impact as afforded through a spoon-fed review conducted by a military vendor called Marine Acoustics, Incorporated. Environmentalists argue that an independent firm would conduct a truly scientific study, which would look at the overall ecosystem. There is huge concern regarding related health and environmental issues. Because LFAS has been associated with high level military secrets, there has been little or no opportunity for protesters and those who are interested to view information related to the black ops project. While The Department of the Navy may argue that their secrecy benefits "National Security;" members of the public have urged greater scrutiny over possible environmental threats Injuries to animals and humans have been ignored by the USN officials who have neither listened nor carried out follow up reviews. It is a function of the draft that it be released for public criticism and review. The US Navy contends in their DEIS that there will not be any "unavoidable harm" caused by LFA Sonar. Now it is important that the public seize its chance to inquire further about health amp; marine life concerns, which may be argued in the final report or FEIS. It is expected that some arguments against deployment will be substantiated, in part, by animal fatalities. Last year the deployment of LFA Sonar drew protests from people in Hawaii who observed that the US Navy had selected Humpback Whales as test Subjects for this new technology. Additionally, the Navy drew ire because the playback experiments of SURTASS LFA Sonar were conducted in a Marine Sanctuary near feeding areas during the routine migration of the protected Humpback Whales. Previous testing was done on Gray Whales off the California Coast when they were migrating. Now another debate ensues with record numbers of Gray Whale strandings having occurred this year along the Pacific Coast. Environmentalists are quick to point out that LFA Sonar tests and similar ATOC transmissions may represent one of the most dramatic alterations which has been made to the marine environment and question whether this has resulted in increased stress to the animals' immune systems. Giving less than a week's notice, the Navy has scheduled its first public meeting next Thursday August 19 at San Pedro, California, inviting the public to an Open House on the Surveillance Towed Array Sensor System Low Frequency Active (SURTASS LFA) Sonar Draft Overseas Environmental Impact Statement/Environmental Impact Statement (DOEIS/EIS). Thursday, August 19,1999 Cabrillo Marine Aquarium 3720 Stephen White Drive San Pedro, CA Additional information may be found at the Navy's web site and on various sites by independent citizens and Environmental Organizations. Visit the Navy web site: A HREF="http://cisteam.home.mindspring.com/index.htm"http://cisteam.home.mindspring.com/index.htm Because there is a download of the DOE IS/EIS available on this site, the public is urged to visit it. There is no lack of irony in the fact that it took so long for the Navy to work on the EIS; then it turns out a document hundreds of pages long, giving the public a couple of weeks to review it prior to holding a public meeting. The report is less than two weeks old and the copies were just distributed last week. Additional meetings are planned for Boston, Massachusetts, Seattle, Washington, and Honolulu, Hawaii. Contact: Cheryl Magill for further info at: 12124 Saratoga-Sunnyvale Road, Saratoga, California 95070 (408) 486-9520 or e-mail:HREF="[EMAIL PROTECTED]#[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] HREF="http://listen.to/lfas"http://listen.to/lfas - Posted by: "Cheryl A, Magill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with
Re: [CTRL] *NEW* Degrading the Dead Sea Scrolls
-Caveat Lector- translated by professor George J. Brooke of the University of Manchester in England, it read: The Festival of our Peace. The fruit became plump Is the more obvious word RIPE which is a bit more Final and Conclusive than PLUMP being passed over in the cause of political correctness ? In the context of 'harvest' - ripe is surely the most common sense choice. If the 'fruit' were analogous to Mankind - then that makes a Jewish God a bit more prominent than if the fruit just became 'plump' and overweight :) due to the Heavens and the produce of the Earth of living things, so we give thanks to your name, forever. Blessed is the Lord who causes us to rejoice, for that is why You created us. Andrew Hennessey DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Cities That Are Suing Gun Firms Are Often Suppliers Themselves (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- August 16, 1999 Cities That Are Suing Gun Firms Are Often Suppliers Themselves By VANESSA O'CONNELL and PAUL M. BARRETT Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL Since last fall, 26 municipalities have sued the gun industry, accusing it of flooding the market with handguns, many of which end up in criminal hands. There is an incongruity in the municipalities' position, though: Most of the cities suing the industry are themselves, in effect, gun suppliers -- and some could be accused of a degree of carelessness in how they unload used police weapons and confiscated firearms. Major cities that have taken the industry to court, including Boston, New Orleans and San Francisco, have together poured hundreds of thousands of second-hand police guns into the civilian market. The cities say they need to sell or trade in the weapons to cut the cost of obtaining new, higher-power models -- much as old police cars are auctioned off for cash. Yet the practice incurs a cost of a different kind. Thousands of these castoff guns have turned up in crimes, such as last week's shooting rampage in Los Angeles by neo-Nazi Buford O. Furrow Jr. After wounding five people in his attack on a Jewish community center, the confessed killer allegedly murdered a mailman of Filipino descent with a Glock 26 pistol. Police traced that gun to the Cosmopolis, Wash., police department, which in 1996 had traded the pistol to a gun dealer in the small town. In return, the department received a larger Glock pistol, says Cosmopolis Police Chief Gary Eisenhower. The gun dealer sold the Glock 26 to a private individual, and it ultimately wound up at a gun show before reaching Mr. Furrow's hands. "It's upsetting," says Chief Eisenhower, that his five-person department's old gun was used in the killing, though he says that with a $400,000 annual budget, he can't afford simply to destroy used service weapons. But it wasn't an isolated incident. Data obtained by The Wall Street Journal under the Freedom of Information Act show that at least 1,100 former police guns were among the 193,203 crime guns traced last year by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Because of inconsistencies in how the agency compiles gun-trace data, any such annual count of former police guns connected to crime "probably represents the tip of the iceberg," says Howard Andrews, a Columbia University bio-statistician who assisted the Journal in its analysis. Citing privacy laws, the ATF won't release the names of police agencies whose guns were most often used in crimes. So many former police guns wind up on the street that the International Association of Chiefs of Police is urging all law-enforcement agencies to destroy used service guns, as well as guns confiscated by police agencies. In a resolution enacted last October, the group warned that "the recirculation of these firearms back into the general population increases the availability of firearms which could be used again to kill or injure additional police officers and citizens." For the same reason, some antigun activists also decry police trade-ins. But Handgun Control Inc., the nation's biggest gun-control group, has tried to play down the issue, at least in part because it is helping organize and lead the municipal lawsuits against the gun industry. Dennis Henigan, Handgun Control's top lawyer, denies that the cities' role in trade-ins undercuts their legal case against gun makers. Talk of police gun swaps, he says, is an attempt by gun companies to "launch a counterattack" against the cities by focusing on "extraneous issues." In a typical deal, a police department will sell its old guns to a wholesaler offering the agency new weapons at little or no cost. Last year, for instance, gun wholesaler Interstate Arms Corp. of Billerica, Mass., paid the Boston police $324.87 apiece for old 9mm pistols and charged the department an identical
[CTRL] UFO'S JFK ELVIS
-Caveat Lector- Richard Belzer's new book UFO's JFK and Elvis is a definite need to have book or book on tape looking into Government conspiracy pertaining to The JFK shooting and also good materials on UFO coverup. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] HILLARY'S WATERGATE SCANDAL--NYPost (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- HILLARY'S WATERGATE SCANDAL By JERRY ZEIFMAN She violated House and committee rules by disclosing confidential information to unauthorized persons. IN December 1974, as general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, I made a personal evaluation of Hillary Rodham (now Mrs. Clinton), a member of the staff we had gathered for our impeachment inquiry on President Richard Nixon. I decided that I could not recommend her for any future position of public or private trust. Why? Hillary's main duty on our staff has been described by her authorized biographer as "establishing the legal procedures to be followed in the course of the inquiry and impeachment." A number of the procedures she recommended were ethically flawed. And I also concluded that she had violated House and committee rules by disclosing confidential information to unauthorized persons. Hillary had conferred personally with me regarding procedural rules. I advised her that Judiciary Committee Chairman Peter Rodino, House Speaker Carl Albert, Majority Leader Tip O'Neill and I had previously agreed not to advocate anything contrary to the rules already adopted and published for that Congress. I quoted Mr. O'Neill's statement that: "To try to change the rules now would be politically divisive. It would be like trying to change the traditional rules of baseball before a World Series." Hillary assured me that she had not drafted and would not advocate any such rules changes. I soon learned that she had lied: She had already drafted changes, and continued to advocate them. In one written legal memorandum, she advocated denying President Nixon representation by counsel. This, though in our then-most-recent prior impeachment proceeding, the committee had afforded the right to counsel to Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas. I also informed Hillary that the Douglas impeachment files were available for public inspection in our offices. I later learned that the Douglas files were then removed from our general files without my permission, transferred to the offices of the impeachment inquiry staff, and were no longer accessible to the public. The young Ms. Rodham had other bad advice about procedures, arguing that the Judiciary Committee should neither 1) hold any hearings with or take the depositions of any live witnesses, nor 2) conduct any original investigation of Watergate, bribery, tax evasion, or any other possible impeachable offense of President Nixon - but to rely instead on prior investigations conducted by other committees and agencies. The committee rejected Ms. Rodham's recommendations: It agreed to allow President Nixon to be represented by counsel and to hold hearings with live witnesses. Hillary then advocated that the official rules of the House be amended to deny members of the committee the right to question witnesses. This unfair recommendation was rejected by the full House. (The committee also vetoed her suggestion that it leave the drafting of the articles of impeachment to her and her fellow special staffers.) The recommendations advocated by Hillary were apparently initiated or approved by Yale Law School professor Burke Marshall - in violation of committee and House rules on confidentiality. They were also advocated by her immediate supervisors, Special Counsel John Doar and Senior Associate Special Counsel Bernard Nussbaum, both of whom had worked under Marshall in the Kennedy Justice Department. It was not until two months after Nixon's resignation that I first learned of still another questionable role of Ms. Rodham. On Sept. 26, 1974, Rep. Charles Wiggins, a Republican member of the committee, wrote to ask Chairman Rodino to look into a troubling set
Re: [CTRL] New York, New York
-Caveat Lector- Yeah, when I went to NYC from San Bernadino in 1968, aged 18, all that kept me in the Big Apple were 1) having all my possessions stolen, and 2) being charged with possession of explosives. As soon as those things were resolved, I was outta there. Yow. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New York, New York
-Caveat Lector- Oh yeah, I forgot to mention my wonderful accommodations whilst I inhabited The Heart Of The Capitalist World. The X-flat [condemned tenament] on E.11th St. between B C Aves, with regular shootings/ knifings/etc. The unventilated closet over Cooper Square. The old residential hotel on Broadway near Bleeker, which collapsed all by itself a few years later. Interesting people in that hotel. The holocaust survivor who screamed in his nightmares every night. The bikeless bikers who robbed graves to sell skulls to rich Satanists. The guy who suicided in his tub two floors above me and left the water running; it was only when the the room below his filled up and started dripping into mine that anyone noticed anything was amiss. Then there were those great Mob guys who ran the trash- hauling company I did day-labor at, for minimum wage. Nice. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: UFOMIND: Miscellanea #118: Janet History; Cybersuit Update
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 3:04 PM Subject: UFOMIND: Miscellanea #118: Janet History; Cybersuit Update - 16 Forwarded Messages Follow. Some reformatted by moderator. - JANET AIRCRAFT HISTORY Via: Dave Bethke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Forwarded from rec.aviation.misc ... Subject: Re: who owns/operates a Boeing 737(?) N4529W Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:10:24 -0700 From: "Roger Ramjet" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc These 737-200 aircraft, and seven others were purchased from Western Airlines in 1981. AirCal, now defunct, did the major maintenance on these aircraft at their Oakland California overhaul base. The white with red stripe paint scheme of these aircraft are actually the old Western paint scheme sans the Western logo on the aft sides of the fuselage and vertical stab. The aircraft at that time were flown and crewed by Lockheed Aircraft Service Company employees based out of Ontario, California. These aircraft were based out of Palmdale California, at USAF Plant 42, next to the hangar where the space shuttle was built. The aircraft were loaded with passengers at Palmdale, then a short flight to Burbank for more and then on to that "secret place" in the desert. Currently EGG has the contract to transport DOD employees to "the ranch" in Nevada. The official name of the program was "ECLIPSE", we even had a logo. I belive it meant flying from the light - into the dark. I am not sure when Lockheed AIrcraft Services lost the contract, I believe it was the early 80's, I was long gone by then to greener pastures with the airlines. The original contract was crewed, managed and maintained by ex-Air Force types. Quite a professional and proud group - I ought to know - I was one on them. Roger Ramjet = BLACK HELICOPTERS From: "Dunn, Steven J." [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'CE List'" [EMAIL PROTECTED], Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:44:15 -0700 Subject: Black helicopters in Jane's Defence Weekly From: "Dunn, Steven J." [EMAIL PROTECTED] There in an article in the 28 July 1999 issue of _Jane's Defence Weekly_ that may be of interest to members of the addressed lists. It is entitled, "The Disappearing Helicopter" and, in highly non-ufologically-oriented style (as would be expected), deals with the "black helicopter" phenomon. Ex: "There is a persistent legend, fostered by occasional eye-witness testimony, that the US government has developed a helicopter so stealthy that part of its repertoire includes the ability to run silently." Groom Lake and tests in the SW US are also prominently mentioned. = CONTRADICTION IN TERMS? From: "Gavin, A (Adam)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Amazing programme Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:37:39 +0200 I watched a program last night on TV - it was amazing. I just wanted to say that I admire you for following your convictions and becoming dedicated to revealing the truth. From the evidence presented on the TV it seems that there is no doubt that there are some kinds of advanced flying objects being developed there in area 51. Good luck in your quest. [What an interesting oxymoron: "evidence presented on TV". --GC] = AREA 51 MOVED From: [withheld]@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:12:06 EDT Subject: area-51 move To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I AM EMAILING U TO TELL YOU THAT AREA 51 HAS MOVED FROM OVER THE MOUNTAIN OUTSIDE RACHEL TO WHITE SANDS,COLORADO AND MCNEALLY AIR FORCE BASE IN TAH( I MAY NOT BE CORRECT ON MCNEALLY, I JUST E-MAILED HTIS SO U COULD TELL EVERYONE THAT VISIST YOUR SITE THANK YOU , TORY WEAVER, [EMAIL PROTECTED] = COMMAND WANTED (WITHOUT RISK) From: [withheld]@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:17:09 EDT Subject: area 51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello I have been searching the entire internet on information for area 51 @ (Groom Lake.) And i came across your site. You see I want to know all about the aliens such as the "Grays" and other alien life. I also want to join Area 51 or something that has to do with the research of E.T. But i dont want to have to risk my life. I want to become one of the head officers and command others what to do. I also want to know the facts before everybody elso. So if you got any info please notify me. By the way, i came acorss this site. http://www.area51.org ... And it said access denied. I would like access, but i suppose that would be extremely unlikely. Thankyou for your time and please reaspond. = GOD OR AREA 51? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:24:21 EDT
[CTRL] US Air Force--Spraying Toxic Substances?
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Subject: US Air Force-Spraying Toxic Substances--But WHICH U.S.Air Force?
US Air Force--Spraying Toxic Substances?
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No sooner do we find out that spooks from Air Force intelligence
sub-agencies are deeply involved in the programming and such of the
mind-controlled mass shooters currently activated to terrorize our
nation, then we come across (more) HARD PROOF that the USAF is ALSO
dispersing various substances from it's KC-135s and other craft on a
regular and high-volume basis.
These substances, according to testimony from unwilling victims all over
North America INCLUDING Canada, are responsible for a bewildering and
extensive list of severe and debilitating physical distress and disease.
As well, documentation exists that at least some of the materials
dispersed by U.S. aircraft consist of toxic metals including but not
only aluminum; ALSO very high levels of UNUSUAL (as in GENETICALLY
altered) molds and fungi--substances which are known to have a very
negative impact on human health and well-being as well as on that of
many other lifeforms on the planet.
Who really even KNOWS what this stuff is doing to us??!!
Thousands of witnesses and victims from all corners of the continent
have experienced and seen the same activity and results and have
provided visual documentation as well as chemical analysis of the
residues in several cases, such as in this case of an on-going aerial
assault on a region in northern Ontario, Canada.
Some residents of the area have photographic evidence of USAF KC-135s
involved in this exact activity. When confronted with the fact of the
existence of this photographic evidence, the best that Air Force
flak-catcher, PR guy and front man Lt. Col. Stevie Shapiro could do was
say the Air Force doesn't have any such craft operating in that area.
Wow. Oh really?
Is that supposed to mean that SOMEBODY ELSE is operating the Air
Forces's KC135s then?
Or is Shapiro just following orders and reading his cue-cards, whether
or not he knows the real truth?
Obviously, the witnesses have not conspired with owners and operators of
KC-135s to stage an entire, deliberately falsified event. yet this
apparently is what the Air Force would have us believe. Unless as noted
they are saying by omission that that USAF KC-135s are spraying the
substances, but someone else is flying them. Considering all the reports
of NATO/UN/NWO military contingents operating within our country and of
pending schemes to put the U.S. military and that of other countries in
North America under control of such New World Order organizations and
accompanying highly suspect mandates, such a possibility as the latter
may in fact be true. Perhaps UN/NATO personnel are in charge of this
mass spraying of unhealthy, dangerous substances upon the population at
large.
I must note in closing, however, that a number of long-term and reliable
contacts we know have indicated to us that in the Air Force, in nearly
ALL branches of the military and in much the federal government as a
whole (as well as STATE government to some degree) there is a MAJOR
split or schism running through the entire structure; resulting in at
LEAST two/three main factions and surely some smaller ones as well.
Opposing factions are literally in "control" of different groups within
the branches and agencies of the federal government, and are all making
strenuous and severe attempts to control the future direction of the
country.
There is a strongly pro-New World Order ("4th Reich") faction,
definitely the most unpleasant of the lot. Their prime directive is
pretty much across-the-boards oppression, suppression, enslavement, and
malevolent manipulation of humanity at large, to the greatest extent
possible; with an on-going objective of intensifying the grip upon
humanity at every conceivable turn and by every (newly) available means.
These guys REALLY suck completely. THESE are the people who were BEHIND
the creation of The Nazi regime and the Third Reich in Germany; as well
as (to pick just one) the brutal Bolshevik/red Communist horror which
engulfed so much of eastern Europe at the same TIME IN HISTORY.
There is also a strongly "strict constructionist" faction; which
supports the upholding of certain "inalienable", fundamental human and
civil right for human beings
up to a point at least (reductions in
personal freedoms/liberties a distinct possibility if this bunch gains
control, however). Their prime directive? It could best be described as
"traditional", moderate "American" values as manifested in a democratic
republic. The Air Force and the Army are said to be pretty evenly
divided between these two named factions ; however, the Navy is
thought to be VERY pro-NWO. (It was put to me that there are at least
TWO "Air Forces"!)
There is also a
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- palimpsest Ric Carter wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do omnipotent conspiracies exist that control information, politics, economics? Unknowable - if such conspiracies DO exist, all one THINKS one knows about them derives from data that they control; thus the conspiratorialist is their dupe, manipulated by all their leaks, their disinfo campaigns. Not so, since even "grand" conspiracies can't control all infor- mation all the time. It is possible to get unmodified information and form an opinion. How can you be sure about that? How can you be sure that anything you think you know about a conspiracy hasn't been fabricated and leaked by the conspiracy? How do we know that you aren't and agent of The Conspiracy, working to lull us into believing that some of what is posted here is true/relevant? How do you know that I'm not an agent of The Conspiracy, working to discredit all investigators? That's my point - once one posits the existence of a sufficiently powerful conspiracy, NOTHING can be trusted, NO information can be accepted, NOBODY can be who they seem/claim. Paranoia Central, eh? It is true though that since much of what is disseminated is controlled as disinformation (or truth if it suits their purpose) it is difficult to KNOW if any given conspiracy is in fact "real". It is not unknowable, just difficult to uncover. A good disinfo campaign is like an onion, with many layers, each peeled away to reveal another, then another, ad infinitum, until a 'core' of truth is reached - but there's no core there, no truth, just air, skin after skin of onion-paper covering... nothing... so, what's to uncover? Is there any 'there' there? How can we tell? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Stargate Conspiracy HOAX and PROOF
-Caveat Lector- A book just out in the UK called 'The Stargate Conspiracy' has it that various well known 'revisionist authors' eg Bauvall, Hancock etc are now in bed with the conspirators - whoever they are. because they claim The face on Mars stuff was a deliberate Hoax which they intended to build up and build up and then completely debunk with the NEW high resolution photos which shows that someone somewhere has been busy with photoshop and that the face on mars definitely is Not. The authors of this book say that by being seen to debunk the alleged myth of advanced civilisation on mars, they can bluff the public into believing the lie that there was no advanced life on Mars. The authors of this book present *Proof* that. 1. the face on mars is a deliberate hoax BUT 2. a 600 metre high tower casting a massive shadow in the photographs has been seen and recorded - and presents incredible proof that there was advanced civilisation on mars - and that this massive tower is being Covered Up BECAUSE it is more conclusive proof that we were not alone ... The authors infer that all the public will get to know about civilisation on mars will be the debunking of a deliberately contrived hoax about the face. Andrew Hennessey DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CHINAGATE BONANZA ON FOX NEWS TONIGHT! (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Tom Fitton August 16, 1999 (202) 646-5172 CHINAGATE BONANZA ON FOX NEWS TONIGHT! "Based on all of the available evidence, it appears there is a widespread conspiracy orchestrated by the Clinton Administration to prevent justice in the Chinagate scandals." Larry Klayman, Chairman of Judicial Watch Johnny Chung and Judicial Watch to Score 1-2 Punch (Washington, DC, August 16) Following appearances before Judicial Watch and the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, Johnny Chung is slated to give an interview this evening on Fox News Channel's The O'Reilly Factor (8:00 p.m. Eastern) in which he will finger Democratic Congressman Henry Waxman in an apparent scheme to obstruct justice. Following The O'Reilly Factor, Judicial Watch Chairman Larry Klayman will appear on Hannity and Colmes (9:00 pm Eastern) with video of John Huang and Johnny Chung's sworn deposition testimony showing additional occurrences of obstruction of justice, this time by President Clinton and his Justice Department. "Based on all of the available evidence, it appears there is a widespread conspiracy orchestrated by the Clinton Administration to prevent justice in the Chinagate scandals," said Klayman. Judicial Watch's seven lawsuits concerning Chinagate including a recently filed complaint against Loral Space and Communications Corporation and John Huang, among others are designed to obtain justice in the civil courts since the criminal justice system has failed (see www.JudicialWatch.org). Judicial Watch will do in Chinagate what Dan Petrocelli did in the OJ Simpson case. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] On Dealing with Idiots
-Caveat Lector- Baffle them with logic. I find it never fails and use big long words, they are too embarrased to admit they don't know what you are talking about and slink off. Make their brains ache. Nicky Robert Tatman wrote: Over the somewhat more than two years I've been part of CTRL, we've seen numerous attempts by Nazis, Christian Identity types, and assorted other racists and Antisemites to force their agendas on the rest of us. We've tried every conceivable method of getting rid of them, including the electronic equivalent of kicking them out the door, but they keep coming back. We've tried reasoning with them, citing the *real* versions of texts they insisted on perverting, giving them carefully-researched facts; we've tried yelling at them, we've tried ignoring them, we've tried virtually everything under the sun. Except for one last approach... Bob DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New York, New York
-Caveat Lector- Bill: It has been awhile since I was last on CTRL and I just re-subscribed yesterday. I read this email and felt it was very nicely done expose on Manhattan. I did what you did, moved to the city from out west in 1981. By 1984, however, and one year as a grad student at NYU, I obtained a prestigeous job -- head of a (national) museum education department in the city. No salary -- but quiet a cudo. I lived in a ranshackled dive in Little Italy the next 7 years. By mid-1990, I moved into a really nice apt in NJ for the first time in my life. Also, aligning your experiences, I too lost my father - a year after you did - to what I consider to be questionnable circumstances. I believe now a cult after his money staged his death in fact. But, that is not here nor there. My point is that I know NYC very very well. And it is still the only place I deep down feel very comfortable. I know every corner and nitch now of the city. I no longer work there and am glad for that. But, it is still the greatest place to enjoy in the world and also is even now, handling the fascist govt and other atrosities out there, better than other cities I visited in Europe this year and better than some large cities I visited in the midwest this past month. You bettcha. Part of that is its cocoon-like atmosphere. It really can be very womb-like. Later -- Judith William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- It was in the summer of 1973. With the death of my father, i decided to leave California and head back to the East Coast. Perhaps some of you know that feeling. You've lived in a place for years, and you reason that if you don't break out of the old familiar patterns, you will be driven somewhat nuts from the tedium of the ordinary. Of course, I was single and stupid enough not to know that there are certain hard economic facts that are inescapable in America, no matter where you go. Changing your place of residence can actually throw you into a more difficult situation than the one you're in. But if you're a restless spirit, perhaps you can't help yourself. The American novelist Theodore Drieser believed that our lives are controlled by subtle inexorable forces beyond our control. Each of us is caught up in a complex web of tendencies and predilections, energies which we might not fully understand. Whether that is true or not, I don't know, but in the summer of 1973, I wanted to get as far away as possible from familiar scenes; and New York seemed like as good a destination as any to me. So, I was off. I traveled for five days and nights on a Trailways Bus--making a reverse Kerouac-ian "on the road" journey to dread Gotham, the megalopolis of every American's imagination. I'll never forget the sight of the city's skyline as the bus rolled across the Hudson into the Port Authority Terminal. I was immediately plunged into a form of culture shock: the noise and the smell of the city... I had five hundred dollars on me, so I headed for the YMCA in the Chelsea district. I was twenty-five years old, alone, in a city that I had only read about. And a form of disssociation set in. It took me at least four days to get used to the crowds, the constant twenty-four hour noise of the city streets, and to learn how to get around on the subway system. But first, there was the need to find a job. As the days passed by, and my dollars began to disappear, I ended up paying one hundred dollars to an employment agency for a job in the garment district. I lived for three years in the city, staying in a rundown hotel on Forty-Third Street, while I worked at a ribbon exporter's shop on Thirty-Eighth Street. The experience was a transformative one. Why? Because there is something about New York that strips away all of one's illusions and self-sustaining myths. In the city, the smiling aspects of capitalism are removed; and one comes into full and complete awareness of the reigning power of money. Unlike life in the South and in the West where a number of comfortable support systems are maintained (social and religious) in order to ameliorate the harsher aspects of capitalism, in the city, the power of the dollar reigns supreme. One survives or perishes under the sway of the dollar. Along Eighth Avenue, there were pimps who waited every day for the buses to unload their passengers, many of whom were fresh-faced young girls from the Midwest looking for the excitement of the city. One could find people sprawled on the sidewalk, either intoxicated or trying to sleep, while the crowds passed around them obeying the cardinal rule of street survival: don't get involved. But as I got to know New Yorkers, I came to love them. What first appeared to me to be indifferent streets were really tiny little neighborhoods. And at work, although the workers were from a variety of different countries and places, we were all really just brothers and
[CTRL] FW: Native American Trust Fund
-Caveat Lector- forwarded.. Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -Original Message- From: Joe A Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 8:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Taking it another step "down". Secretary Babbitt's legal defense stated that he did not have to respond to Congress' call for information re: Interior's handling of the Native American Trust Fund because the Executive Branch successfully refused to respond to the Senate's (Thompson's Committee on Campaign Reform) supoenas and thus demonstrated that the Executive could thusly continue to ignore Congressional requests for documentation. joe a DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New York, New York
-Caveat Lector- At least you gave the city a shot. All the problems you encountered FIT into the scheme of things everywhere, realize. All of em were weird. All of em had different personas UNDER these masks. The great thing about NYC is that you had the availability of being alone and partly accepted on those terms. In other cities alone usually means OUT, completely. NYC is, I believe now, a city of loners -- who have found that their arts and details to living are left often alone. In other cities and areas, one's life can become the focus of everyone around the individual -- and therefore an albatross, unless the individual sinks into the quietly unassuming abyss. In NYC, not so. People do generally mind their own business. At least this has been my observation after living there 10 years (1980 - 1990). Judith Ric Carter wrote: -Caveat Lector- Oh yeah, I forgot to mention my wonderful accommodations whilst I inhabited The Heart Of The Capitalist World. The X-flat [condemned tenament] on E.11th St. between B C Aves, with regular shootings/ knifings/etc. The unventilated closet over Cooper Square. The old residential hotel on Broadway near Bleeker, which collapsed all by itself a few years later. Interesting people in that hotel. The holocaust survivor who screamed in his nightmares every night. The bikeless bikers who robbed graves to sell skulls to rich Satanists. The guy who suicided in his tub two floors above me and left the water running; it was only when the the room below his filled up and started dripping into mine that anyone noticed anything was amiss. Then there were those great Mob guys who ran the trash- hauling company I did day-labor at, for minimum wage. Nice. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] On Dealing with Idiots
-Caveat Lector- Nicky Are You Talking About: Supercalifragilisticexpealexdocious? Nicola Molloy wrote: -Caveat Lector- Baffle them with logic. I find it never fails and use big long words, they are too embarrased to admit they don't know what you are talking about and slink off. Make their brains ache. Nicky Robert Tatman wrote: Over the somewhat more than two years I've been part of CTRL, we've seen numerous attempts by Nazis, Christian Identity types, and assorted other racists and Antisemites to force their agendas on the rest of us. We've tried every conceivable method of getting rid of them, including the electronic equivalent of kicking them out the door, but they keep coming back. We've tried reasoning with them, citing the *real* versions of texts they insisted on perverting, giving them carefully-researched facts; we've tried yelling at them, we've tried ignoring them, we've tried virtually everything under the sun. Except for one last approach... Bob DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Stargate Conspiracy HOAX and PROOF
-Caveat Lector- http://www.cseti.org http://www.infinite-energy.com http://greenfield.fortunecity.com/hunters/206 Andrew Hennessey wrote: -Caveat Lector- A book just out in the UK called 'The Stargate Conspiracy' has it that various well known 'revisionist authors' eg Bauvall, Hancock etc are now in bed with the conspirators - whoever they are. because they claim The face on Mars stuff was a deliberate Hoax which they intended to build up and build up and then completely debunk with the NEW high resolution photos which shows that someone somewhere has been busy with photoshop and that the face on mars definitely is Not. The authors of this book say that by being seen to debunk the alleged myth of advanced civilisation on mars, they can bluff the public into believing the lie that there was no advanced life on Mars. The authors of this book present *Proof* that. 1. the face on mars is a deliberate hoax BUT 2. a 600 metre high tower casting a massive shadow in the photographs has been seen and recorded - and presents incredible proof that there was advanced civilisation on mars - and that this massive tower is being Covered Up BECAUSE it is more conclusive proof that we were not alone ... The authors infer that all the public will get to know about civilisation on mars will be the debunking of a deliberately contrived hoax about the face. Andrew Hennessey DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Weekly Analysis August 16, 1999
___ Visit Stratfor's NEW Middle East Africa Intelligence Center http://www.stratfor.com/meaf/default.htm ___ ALSO ON STRATFOR.COM China Talks About Devaluing the Yuan, Months After They Did It http://www.stratfor.com/asia/specialreports/special50.htm The Price of Arrogance http://www.stratfor.com/CIS/commentary/c9908150100.htm The Kurds: A Situation Report http://www.stratfor.com/MEAF/specialreports/special6.htm The National Liberation Army http://www.stratfor.com/hotspots/special%20reports/special2.htm __ STRATFOR's Global Intelligence Update Weekly Analysis August 16, 1999 China's Available Military Options and its Relations with the U.S. Summary: Last week saw an intense campaign by China to warn anyone who would listen that it was going to take some sort of military action against Taiwan. We tend to believe them. We do not think that there will be an invasion, but several other military options present themselves. Given the public threats it has made, China must take some action. Beijing's credibility is now on the line. The United States says that it will intervene, while simultaneously claiming that China will not take action. On Saturday, a U.S. State Department official met with the Dalai Lama, China's mortal enemy. The U.S. is now committed to defending Taiwan, having said on record that the Chinese are bluffing and having publicly met with the Dalai Lama in the middle of all of this. China believes that the United States is trying to "Kosovo" it. Meanwhile, Johnny Chung is saying that the Democrats Counsel on the Government Reform and Oversight Committee gave him advice on how to take the Fifth Amendment. Things are, as they say, getting interesting. Analysis: China launched an intense and very public campaign last week designed to convince the world in general - and Taiwan and the U.S. in particular - that it intends to take military action against Taiwan in response to its stance on statehood. Newspapers throughout the world were filled with reports of statements made by Chinese diplomats and journalists to the effect that China was committed to taking military action against Taiwan in order to punish it. The Communist Party newspaper in Hong Kong reported, for example, that the "military situation was a lot more serious than what the outside world was aware of," and that China had identified 200 military targets on Taiwan. Troops were ostentatiously put on alert. Chinese warnings of inevitable military action against Taiwan were delivered to the U.S. as well. We take these warnings seriously. We are reminded that many years ago, just prior to China's intervention in the Korean War, Chinese diplomats and journalists delivered warnings in several venues about the consequences of UN forces moving close to the Yalu. Moreover, given the level of public visibility that the Chinese have given to their warning, it will be difficult for China not to act. As we stated last week [ http://www.stratfor.com/services/giu/080999.ASP ], we do not think that an invasion of Taiwan itself is possible at the moment. Therefore, the question is what sort of military options are available to China? One option, already discussed by us [ http://www.stratfor.com/asia/specialreports/special47.htm ] has apparently been floated by Chinese officials, is the seizure of two islands, Quemoy and Matsu, that are just off the mainland of China but are controlled by Taiwan. The islands were frequently shelled and threatened during the Cold War. Their seizure would be a high- profile, low-risk operation within the amphibious capabilities of China. A second strategy (or additional dimension to the Quemoy/Matsu move) is the launching of rockets and missiles against Taiwan. Such an attack could consist of anything from a symbolic attack with a small number of missiles against an unpopulated area, to an all-out attack against Taiwan's air and naval forces designed to reduce Taiwan's ability to defend itself against a follow-on amphibious assault. Now, there are two risks to this strategy. The first is in its effectiveness. As the U.S. discovered in Kosovo, there are limits to the effectiveness of air campaigns. To attack and fail is worse then not to attack at all. There is also the risk of Taiwan or U.S. counterstrikes against Chinese installations. If these were effective, the net effect of the campaign on China's strategic position would be disastrous. How confident is China in its aerospace forces? A third option is a campaign against Taiwan's shipping. A full blockade is not possible, but intermittent attacks against merchant vessels (recall the tanker wars in the Persian Gulf) might be possible using missiles, as well as aircraft and submarines to carry out direct attacks and lay mines. The problem with this strategy is that it could strike at the shipping of third
[CTRL] Up to $1 Billion Reported Stolen by Bosnia Leaders (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- August 17, 1999--NYTimes Up to $1 Billion Reported Stolen by Bosnia Leaders By CHRIS HEDGES SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina -- As much as a billion dollars has disappeared from public funds or been stolen from international aid projects through fraud carried out by the Muslim, Croatian and Serbian nationalist leaders who keep Bosnia rigidly partitioned into three ethnic enclaves, according to an exhaustive investigation by an American-led antifraud unit. The antifraud unit, set up by the Office of the High Representative, the international agency responsible for carrying out the civilian aspects of the Dayton peace agreement, has exposed so much corruption that relief agencies and embassies are reluctant to publicize the thefts for fear of frightening away international donors. The report names several officials linked to the governing nationalist parties that it says profited from the fraud. Even though the Office of the High Representative has dismissed 15 officials or prevented them from holding office, most retain authority. In one incident cited in the report, 10 foreign embassies and international aid agencies lost over $20 million deposited in a Bosnian bank, but only the Swiss embassy has publicly acknowledged its losses. The antifraud unit, which requires special security measures and does not make public who is working for the organization in Bosnia, is now investigating 220 cases of fraud and corruption. It documents the current cases in a 4,000-page report that has not been released to the public. Its contents were made available to The New York Times. Organizations as diverse at the Office of the High Representative, the United Nations and the United States Agency for International Development, all dedicated to rebuilding the country, have lost tens of millions of dollars, the report says. The widespread corruption is viewed by many here as a severe blow in the long, frustrating struggle to build a democratic Bosnia, a country that has received $5.1 billion in international aid since the end of the war in 1995. The corruption has also played a pivotal role in driving away foreign investment, seen as the only way to free Bosnia from dependence on foreign assistance. The missing funds were supposed to have been used to rebuild Bosnia's roads, buildings and schools, as well as to provide municipal services in towns throughout Bosnia. Alija Izetbegovic, the Bosnian President, along with other senior nationalist leaders, has dismissed the allegations of official corruption made by the international investigators. While conceding that corruption takes place, the President disputes the scale of the charges, denying that as much as a billion dollars has been misappropriated as stated in the long and detailed report. Izetbegovic has repeatedly denied these charges, most recently in a local press interview. "It would be nonsense to claim that there is no corruption, or that it is irrelevant, in a country that has just come out of the war," he said, adding that Bosnia is a country "which does not have established borders, where joint institutions are still not functioning, and which has at least two armies and two police forces." The Dayton agreement, which was signed by Muslim, Croatian and Serbian warring factions in 1995, called for the creation of a single state and the return of two million refugees and displaced people to their homes. But Bosnia remains partitioned into three antagonistic ethnic enclaves. Serb-held Bosnia continues to operate as a separate entity. The internationally created Muslim-Croat Federation has no authority and has been unable to raise revenues. The two million refugees and displaced people have not gone back to their homes. And the Office of the High Representative has been reduced to promising money and aid projects to towns and cities that say they will allow some refugees to return, promises that are usually never kept. "Dayton stopped the violence, but it did not end the war," said Jacques P. Klein, the chief United Nations representative here, "and the war is still being fought bureaucratically through obfuscation, delay and avoidance by a group of leaders who do not want to lose power. Bosnia and Herzegovina is a patient on life support
[CTRL] Fwd: UNDERNEWS Aug 16
UNDERNEWS Sam Smith August 16, 1999 The Progressive Review 1739 Conn. Ave. NW Washington DC 20009 202-232-5544 Fax: 202-234-6222 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INDEX: http://prorev.com RECENT UNDERNEWS: http://prorev.com/indexa.htm TODAY'S HEADLINE NEWS: http://prorev.com/altnews.htm THE REVIEW FORUM: http://prorev.com/letters.com DONATIONS AND ORDER FORM: http://prorev.com/order3.htm UNSUBSCRIBE: Reply with 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. For a free subscription to our e-mail updates send your postal address with zip code. Copyright 1999, The Progressive Review. Matter not independently copyrighted may be reprinted provided TPR is paid your normal reprint fees, if any, and is given proper credit. Because of its quantity, TPR's mail is not always answered, but it is always read. The editor is cheered or remorseful as appropriate and posts some of the more interesting messages at http://prorev.com/letters.htm -- THE PERFECTLY AWFUL, TERRIBLE, NO GOOD ADVENTURES OF JOHNNY CHUNG One of the unfortunate aspects of the Clinton scandals is the near total lack of endearing scoundrels of the sort that even the Mafia occasionally produces. The participants, like the Clinton themselves, tend to be narcissistic, greedy exemplars of postmodern vacuity, whose major goal in life is to want something they don't really deserve. An underrated exception is the Chinese bagman Johnny C. C. Chung, who recently developed his own web site complete with pictures of the week from his voluminous collection of images of various important people in the company of Johnny Chung. Last May, Chung testified before a House Committee, describing himself as a somewhat befuddled but well-meaning pawn of macro-politics. His testimony described how a fax broadcast service owner came to be sought after by the White House, the DNC, various Chinese generals and officials, not to mention being called to a karaoke bar in the middle of the night to advise a Chinese-American on the lam from the US. For all his troubles, Chung got little respect. The Democratic National Committee "took my money with a smile and made fun of me when I turned my back." DNC chair Don Fowler "scolded me for not meeting my fundraising obligations." The Clintons "used me as much as I used them." His Chinese contact upbraided him with profanities. Others involved in the operation pestered him for help on visas and getting Chinese students into American colleges. And then there was the presidential fundraiser: "I next saw General Ji's wife when she came back to the United States with her son. I set up their attendance at a Presidential fundraiser - the "Back to the Future" event - at a California movie studio on October 17, 1996. I took my driver and secretary as well as the General's wife and Alex to meet the President. There was a mix-up with the DNC and my driver and secretary were given a private audience with the President while me and the General's wife and son were not included. While my driver and secretary were very appreciative, I was very upset." Chung probably deserves a pardon for his troubles but in the meanwhile we've posted excerpts from his testimony along with some of the best from his photo collection CHUNG'S TESTIMONY http://www.prorev.com/chung.htm CRIME STAT UPDATE -- Number close to the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 44 -- Number of convictions during his administration: 33 -- Number of indictments/ misdemeanor charges: 61 -- Number of imprisonments: 14 -- Number of presidential impeachments: 1 -- Number of independent counsel investigations: 7 -- Number of congressional witnesses pleading the 5th Amendment: 72 -- Number of witnesses fleeing the country to avoid testifying: 17 -- Number of foreign witnesses who have declined interviews by investigative bodies: 19 The Clinton machine now holds the record for the administration with: -- The most number of convictions and guilty pleas -- The most number of cabinet members to come under criminal investigation -- The most number of witnesses to flee the country or refuse to testify -- The most number of key witnesses to die suddenly -- The greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions -- The greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad. MEDIA MONICA OF THE WEEK The administration's new agitprop agency already seems to be working, witness this story from Associated Press: "The Clinton administration, dismayed by the success of anti-American propaganda worldwide, is striking back with an information offensive of its own: a State Department unit that will control the flow of government news overseas, especially during crises. "The new International Public Information group, or IPI, will coordinate the dissemination of news from the State Department, Pentagon and other U.S. agencies U.S. officials say the group came about partly in response to the spread of unflattering
Re: [CTRL] New York, New York
-Caveat Lector- Ric I gotta add this! If you read Scarlet and the Beast - John Daniels reckons London is Babylon. Where else could you have a man in the next flat looking like Santa with front tooth missing, standing in his jockeys waiting for his prostitute buddies attempting to crawl up to the 5th floor in their heroin stupor dribbling all over the carpet and moaning loudly. Then you go downstairs to pay your rent to the Philippino landlord in his long pink fingernails, false eyelashes, kisscurls and evening gown. Then you go to work past the clone gays in check shirts and jeans with the key in their pockets to indicate passive or active. Past the rest of the transvestites, bovver boys, skinheads, and druggies. Then you get to work at a dept store and there are about 2,000 staff with half men. Most are gay and are at it everywhere - behind the sofas in the furniture dept. They boast about having 6 different men a night. My boss was a gambler and spent most of the day doing spot the ball and scratch bingo and couldn't understand how us New Zealanders could be happy with no culture. The staff were thieves and spent so much time stealing, the whole place nearly went broke. One boss was caught trying to take home a case of champagne. The window dressers stole the stuff they had used in the windows. The churches are locked because of thieves. Except the Catholic ones where some people prayed to statues. Spiritualist churches called up the dead for lonely souls to get a message of hope. There were pagans and witches everywhere. There were punks with nothing to do, except put safety pins in their noses. Jobless and homeless people shivering and hungry. Poor lonely old people with no money trying to buy one tomato at the supermarket, unable to pay for the heater..They went to the afternoon movies to keep warm and sat through excessive violence and swearing. After 7 years hard labour in 'Babylon' I am now probably sane again. When you are tired of London you are tired of life -the ad said. Nicky Ric Carter wrote: -Caveat Lector- Oh yeah, I forgot to mention my wonderful accommodations whilst I inhabited The Heart Of The Capitalist World. The X-flat [condemned tenament] on E.11th St. between B C Aves, with regular shootings/ knifings/etc. The unventilated closet over Cooper Square. The old residential hotel on Broadway near Bleeker, which collapsed all by itself a few years later. Interesting people in that hotel. The holocaust survivor who screamed in his nightmares every night. The bikeless bikers who robbed graves to sell skulls to rich Satanists. The guy who suicided in his tub two floors above me and left the water running; it was only when the the room below his filled up and started dripping into mine that anyone noticed anything was amiss. Then there were those great Mob guys who ran the trash- hauling company I did day-labor at, for minimum wage. Nice. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ohhh Scary...A socialist for Senate!
-Caveat Lector- Weekdays With Bernie Vermont Waits for Sanders to Decide About Senate Campaign By Tim Curran WINOOSKI, Vt. -- At a town meeting just outside Burlington on health care issues, Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) warns the roughly 75 seniors packing the event that Wall Street's efforts to privatize Social Security would be an "unmitigated disaster." The House's lone Independent also rails against a pharmaceutical industry that he says is jacking up prices on the elderly. Both threats, Sanders tells the gathering, stem from a system that gives those with money the greatest voice in Washington. "The answer is, you must become active in the political process," he tells the crowd. "Stand up and express your view," Sanders adds, breaking into a grin. "It could be part of your physical fitness program." And while the discussion never touches on the possibility of a dramatic change in Sanders' own electoral circumstance, it is Sanders' future that is the talk of Vermont political circles this summer. The five-term House Member -- arguably the most successful elected Independent in the nation -- is weighing a challenge to Sen. Jim Jeffords (R) next year, and speculation about his intentions is rampant. Just don't ask Sanders to cooperate in attempts to divine his plans. Confronted with the question in his office in the heart of downtown Burlington, a city whose government he helped transform in his eight years as mayor, he bristles. Whether to risk a run for a seat in the Senate, where the rules would allow him more freedom to operate, or remain in the House, where he has established seniority and a chance to chair a subcommittee if Democrats take control of the chamber next year, is a decision he says will be made "when it is the appropriate time." While sources close to Sanders have said that decision is likely to come by the end of the summer, he promises no such thing. And he calls the speculation "an insult" to the people of Vermont, who because of constant press attention to the next campaign are left to "think that all their elected officials do" is plot their path to higher office. Ever the iconoclast, Sanders insists he will make his determination about his future on his own terms. And while Senate Democrats are aggressively lobbying him to make the race, if he does decide to do so, it will be in his own way, as an Independent. "I am an Independent for very concrete reasons. ... I believe that both parties are dominated by corporate interests" and put corporate America before middle-class and working Americans, said Sanders. "That's why I remain an Independent. Not because I think it's cute." Waiting for Bernie After the town meeting, one of those in attendance, state Sen. Jim Leddy (D), sums up Vermont's political calculus. As long as Sanders is contemplating a Senate bid, everyone else's Congressional ambitions will remain on hold. "There's no money going to come from Washington until he decides on the race," Leddy says. "I think everyone is waiting. "He's a one-person party. He has the deepest support" of any political figure in the state, Leddy says. "He really speaks to people who feel powerless, and they respond." "Will he or won't he?" has emerged as the most popular game in Vermont's tightly knit political community over the past months. Susan Russ, Jeffords' chief of staff, said she has watched with some amusement as the "players" in the state have tried to read the tea leaves to determine Sanders' intentions. "When I went up in March, it was something like 18 to 2, with almost everyone saying he was in," Russ said, adding that a couple of months later, the same people were saying it was only 50-50 that Sanders would run. "This week, it's that he's back in," Russ said Thursday. If Sanders does run, he will give up the at-large House seat he has held since his shocking victory over incumbent Peter Smith (R) in 1990. Since that race, he has established himself as all but unbeatable in the seat, cobbling together a coalition of students, veterans and seniors and co-opting traditionally Democratic voters. Vermont returned the House's only avowed socialist to office with 64 percent of the vote last year, and polls already show a Jeffords-Sanders race would be tight. The Brooklyn-born and raised Sanders first emerged as something of a gadfly, losing four statewide races before helping to construct the progressive coalition that would help him oust a six-term Democratic incumbent as mayor of Burlington by a 10-vote margin. He won attention for his efforts to control growth, provide affordable housing and overhaul the tax base and in 1988 ran for the state's open House seat. Losing to Smith 41 to 36 percent in a three-way race, Sanders ran again in 1990 and took 56 percent to become the first socialist elected to the House since 1928. After his election, Sanders tried to shun the spotlight that usually shines briefly on out-of-the-mainstream newcomers. "I do not have a
Re: [CTRL] Hermes' Staff
-Caveat Lector- The caduceus can also be seen as a representation of the oscillating prana energies (snakes), Ida and Pingala, traveling up the spine (staff). -- Mark McHugh One Step Beyond! Bill wrote: -Caveat Lector- Sagan stipulates the base resemblance of the caduceus to the DNA helix is evidence that we can not only remember the past but the future as well...Clarke stipulated a future memory such as that in Childhoods Ends too. I personally have seen it in comparisons between the YinYang and the sperm and ova. Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:545418"Hermes' Staff/A - Subject: Hermes' Staff From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 16 August 1999 02:25 AM EDT Message-id: 7p8as8$hfl$[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friends, Consider the caduceus (also known as the Staff of Hermes). It consists of two serpents coiled about a central staff. The staff usually has a set of wings at the top to denote Hermes and also usually has a ball or round protuberance at the top. It has been adopted by the medical community. The AMA uses it as it's symbol. There is a picture of one on my website at http://www.stormloader.com/joshua It is not just a symbol; it is an occulted device. The symbol is an archaic blueprint for a device to project magnetic vibratory beams across a distance to a target. It is stated in mythology that the staff is capable of an anesthetic effect on humans. In actuality, it is capable of much more. Properly constructed, it may be used to induce vibrations of nearly any frequency or amplitude in any target from a distance. It creates tight beams of what are called "longitudinal" or "scalar" magnetic waves. [It's a good thing that I studied scalars or I would have missed this completely.] The serpents represent electrified wire with current flowing towards the heads. The wires are to be coiled about a ferrous (iron) rod so that, at every point on the rod, the wires ascend perpendicularly to one another. The tails of the "serpents" must be connected together and to an AC frequency generator, or, alternatively, to a DC pulse generator. The heads of the serpents should be connected to a ground, or fed back into the energy source somehow so that the energy would not be lost. [It may be possible that insulated conductive ribbons rather than wire might prove more effective and be easier to work with. When constructing, the overlapping nodes should form two straight lines -- one on each side of the rod. One wire should be on top of the other on one side, and the other should be on to on the other.] The helical (rotational) aspect of the current of each oppositely ascending wire effectively cancels the helical aspect of the magnetic field in the ferrous rod generated by the helical aspect of the current in the other wire. This leaves pure linear magnetism. It is the helical aspect which causes magnetic fields to bend back upon ithemselves and seek their opposite poles. With this configuration, strong magnetic forces are generated linearly and travel, at the speed of magnetism, in a straight line from the ferrous rod in the direction it points. The real "magic" begins when one charges their staff with AC frequencies. Whatever the staff is pointed at (both ends) begins to vibrate according to the frequencies and amplitudes which are used. [There is no element that is completely unaffected by magnetic fields.] Depending upon the frequencies used and the amplitudes of the atomic oscillations initiated, materials would melt rather slowly, or disintigrate quite quickly. It is also be extremely easy to affect the human or animal mind at a distance. Research has already shown that fairly strong magnetic pulses can cause firing of neurons in the brain. With one of these staves pointed at one's head, the firings of one's neurons could be controlled fairly precisely by varying the frequency passing through the staff. One could be entranced with theta frequencies, stimulated with alpha frequencies or higher, or actually put to sleep using frequencies around 4-6 Hertz. This would be a proper weapon for law enforcement. One could also modify the focus of the the magnetic beam by placing a ferrous cap on the end of the ferrous rod. It is possible that a round cap would effect a beam that widened as it travelled from the staff, allowing for controlled effects over a larger area. This device is also has the potential to be immensely useful for healing. Preliminary evidence has shown that when hit at proper frequencies, parasites, bacteria, and viruses may be selectively destroyed. There is also some evidence that the same may be possible for cancerous cells. Oh... I forgot to tell you how to do your frequency
[CTRL] Living in Wonderland: Tired of the Lies, Propaganda and Hypocrisy
-Caveat Lector- LIVING IN WONDERLAND: TIRED OF THE LIES, PROPAGANDA AND HYPOCRISY by Gavin Phillips During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. - George Orwell "Please would you tell me," said Alice a little timidly "...why your cat grins like that?" "It's a Cheshire Cat," said the Duchess, "and that's why. Pig!" In Lewis Carrolls wonderful novel, "Alice in Wonderland," talking rabbits dash around wearing a waistcoat and a fob watch. Cats disappear and reappear with amazing alacrity. Alice explores a beautifully fantastic and eccentric world, but a world of fiction. Let us take a look at 3 major incidents in Clinton's 6 1/2 year presidency and determine if the official/mainstream media versions belong in our world, or in a wonderland of their own making. THE VINCE FOSTER "SUICIDE" The official story of the Vince Foster death is that Foster shot himself on July 20 1993 in Fort Marcy Park, Washington. But the enormous amount of evidence collected by investigative journalist Chris Ruddy leaves the official version in tatters. Ruddy has documented many dozens of major and minor inconsistencies, loopholes and massive incompetence in the government's investigation. I have listed below a small sampling of some of these. 1 No suicide note 2 Another torn note was found in a briefcase that previously had been searched 3 Three handwriting experts, including one from Oxford University, concluded the note was a forgery. 4 Body so neatly arranged, arms at sides, head straight up, as "if it was ready for the coffin," according to two paramedics. 5 No fingerprints, though gun found in hand 6 No visible blood splatter or blow-back on gun 7 Gun remained in hand Vincent Scalice and Fred Santucci, two homicide experts formerly with the New York City Police Dept. say: "Red flag indicating possible foul play...In our 50 years combined experience investigating homicides, we have never seen a gun so neatly arranged in a suicide's hand. We believe the gun was staged." 8 Gun not sent for testing until one week after official ruling of suicide 9 Police underexposed key 35mm crime scene photos, other Polaroid's missing 10 Relied on autopsy of Virginia medical examiner, who has been challenged in two suicide rulings - in one case the murderer later confessed 11 Patrick knowlton , a witness who officials said was the first to spot Foster's Honda in the parking lot, claims the FBI "lied" in his witness statement; they claimed he could not identify a man he saw in the park; he says he can. 12 Foster's glasses were found with gunpowder on them 19 feet from his head. Vincent Scalice and Fred Santucci say: "It is physically impossible for the eyeglasses to have moved 19 feet, or any significant distance from the body, as a result of the gun's explosion." I have only given a dozen examples of what Ruddy's investigation unearthed, there are nearly a hundred documented at his website www.newsmax.com, (or see his book, The Strange Death of Vince Foster)if you want further evidence. Another very important question is why was the Park Police, real life equivalents to the keystone Cops and little more than nightwatchman, initially put in charge of investigating the death of the highest public official to die in suspicious circumstances since JFK? Also unprecedented is the fact that the lead investigator had never handled a homicide case before. I suppose he needed the experience! When journalist and author Ambrose Evans-Pritchard located key witness Patrick knowlton he found out that the FBI had lied about Knowltons statements. Below is a small part of an interview between Wesly Phelan and Knowltons lawyer John Clark: CLARKE: ...Pritchard located and interviewed him. And Pat was telling the story, and Pritchard said "Are you telling the truth?" And Patrick said "Yes, why?" And Pritchard said "Because that's not what it says in your FBI 302 reports." And Patrick had never seen them, and so he said "Let me see them." So he went through them, and he said "This is a lie...This is a lie...This is a lie...A lot of lies in there." Another surprising coincidence is that the day before Foster committed suicide Bill Clinton dismissed FBI director William Sessions. He replaced him with errand boy Louis Freeh, a man who made his name by obtaining a very dubious conviction of a mail bomber. Later testimony showed that the FBI laboratory had manufactured evidence to make the prosecution's case stronger. Freeh is another Clinton lap-dog, a totally unprincipled bureaucrat who has helped orchestrate several large government cover-up's in the last 6 years. THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING The Oklahoma City bombing has a special interest for me as I have recently finished writing a book on the subject (The Oklahoma City Bombing: Searching For the Truth: ). The official/mainstream media version about the April 19 1995 bombing of the
[CTRL] [Fwd: [Fwd: IUFO: Icke interview, Pt. 2]]
-Caveat Lector- Ashley Rye wrote: - IUFO Mailing List And, again and again, when you get into the genealogy, my goodness me, that takes some time and sweat, you hit the same genetic lines when you're looking at people in positions of power. It seems to me that these lower fourth-dimensional entities have actually been working through what we call the Illuminati to actually control the planet. And, while all this was unfolding, I started getting some very bizarre stories told to me. Martin: I bet. Icke: And the thing about my life, Rick, in the last 10 years or so, consciously walking this journey-I now realize that I was unconsciously doing it all of my life-is that suddenly a subject heading will come into my life, and once it's appeared, I'm meeting people literally from all over the world, because I've been in 21 countries in the last two years now, and been back to quite a few of them, so I can start to see, as a result of traveling, these common themes that are coming up all over the world. And one theme that came up last year, May '98, it had been around a little bit but I put it on the back burner. There wasn't enough evidence to talk about it, really. And that was that people had seen people in positions of power, not exclusively so, but overwhelmingly so, turn into a reptilian form and then go back to human. And, in a period of 15 days, in May 1998, I met 12 separate people in different parts of America from different walks of life and different backgrounds, in my travels, who told me the same story. I thought, "What in the hell is going on here?!" When I came back to England, the sequence continued. I was asked by a couple of people, who were members of the House of Lords, in London, to go and talk to them at the House of Lords about the manipulation, which they also realized was going on -- Transfer interrupted! e, and there was a lady at the meeting who kept saying some very interesting things about Diana, you know, the Princess of Wales. And, after the meeting, I said, "Look, hey, we gotta talk." She said, "We have." And we went off and chatted. I said, "Where did you get this information about Diana?" She said, "My best friend was her closest confidant on things she couldn't talk about to anyone else for nine years." Now, this lady has actually appeared in the press from time-to-time as being a close friend of Diana. Anyway, she said, "I think this lady might talk to you. She's never talked to anyone else." So, I went to see her and her name was Christine Fitzgerald. She starts telling me about the connection, all of the treatment of Diana by the Windsors, which was utterly, utterly outrageous. I haven't talked to this lady Christine Fitzgerald about these bizarre stories I'm being told by people around the world. Then, as the conversation unfolded, she said, "Oh, do you know what Diana's nickname for the Windsors was?" I said, "No, go on." She said, "The lizards or the reptiles." And she said, "She used to say, in all seriousness, 'They are NOT human!'" Christine Fitzgerald went on to tell me: "You know, the Windsors are a reptilian line, they're not human." And that "the British Royal Family, and its inter-linking bloodlines, are actually reptilian, they come from a reptilian extraterrestrial race." And I'm thinking, "Bloody hell, not another one!" And I came back here-about an hour and a half from London-my home is in England. I knew of a guy called Ted Heath, who was Prime Minister of Britain from '70-'74, and I knew that he was involved in some serious horrendous things, like sacrificing children, and all this stuff, because of people who had seen it. And, a lady I knew, who had contacted me, wanted to tell me about her experiences with Ted Heath, so I went to see her, not to talk about shape-shifting reptilians, but to talk about Ted Heath and satanic ritual involving the elite of Britain. And, again, but just as a quick incidental-when you follow these bloodlines from the ancient world to the present day, this satanic ritual, human sacrifice and blood ritual, even using the same deities in the rituals, is a
Re: [CTRL] New York, New York
-Caveat Lector- What a bummer, R. The day after I was robbed at gunpoint, tied up by three thugs in my hotel room(the window was open..and I kept wondering if the Neanderthals might decide to toss me out the window for kicks...), I was on the next Greyhound back to the Golden State. Regards, Wm On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Ric Carter wrote: -Caveat Lector- Yeah, when I went to NYC from San Bernadino in 1968, aged 18, all that kept me in the Big Apple were 1) having all my possessions stolen, and 2) being charged with possession of explosives. As soon as those things were resolved, I was outta there. Yow. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New York, New York
-Caveat Lector- Jabr, Welcome back! And thanks for the interesting take on the city. You're right about Midwestern cities to some extent. Next year, when I relocate, I'm thinking about moving to Madison. I'll be looking forward to reading your posts as always, Best wishes, Bill On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, jabr wrote: -Caveat Lector- At least you gave the city a shot. All the problems you encountered FIT into the scheme of things everywhere, realize. All of em were weird. All of em had different personas UNDER these masks. The great thing about NYC is that you had the availability of being alone and partly accepted on those terms. In other cities alone usually means OUT, completely. NYC is, I believe now, a city of loners -- who have found that their arts and details to living are left often alone. In other cities and areas, one's life can become the focus of everyone around the individual -- and therefore an albatross, unless the individual sinks into the quietly unassuming abyss. In NYC, not so. People do generally mind their own business. At least this has been my observation after living there 10 years (1980 - 1990). Judith Ric Carter wrote: -Caveat Lector- Oh yeah, I forgot to mention my wonderful accommodations whilst I inhabited The Heart Of The Capitalist World. The X-flat [condemned tenament] on E.11th St. between B C Aves, with regular shootings/ knifings/etc. The unventilated closet over Cooper Square. The old residential hotel on Broadway near Bleeker, which collapsed all by itself a few years later. Interesting people in that hotel. The holocaust survivor who screamed in his nightmares every night. The bikeless bikers who robbed graves to sell skulls to rich Satanists. The guy who suicided in his tub two floors above me and left the water running; it was only when the the room below his filled up and started dripping into mine that anyone noticed anything was amiss. Then there were those great Mob guys who ran the trash- hauling company I did day-labor at, for minimum wage. Nice. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be
Re: [CTRL] New York, New York
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was told in no uncertain terms by one of my co-workers to leave it alone. Why? Because another business on the street had paid the Mob protection for that parking space! The Mafia controlled all of the trash collection, too. My sister the artist moved from Southern California [where she sculpted crap for plaster models sold in craft shops] to Southern Nevada [where she painted signs and murals for casinos] to New York [where she's now a security supervisor for the subways, when she's not painting/sculpting representations of subway passengers/lurkers.] She found a nice cheap apartment above a Mob funeral parlor near Police HQ. I drove out there a couple years ago. It's a nice safe place to park, in front of a Mob mortuary. We stuck an ATTENDING FUNERAL sign in the windshield and left the Jeep there for days, nobody bothers it, nobody. Anyway, the Mob still controls trash collection, not just in big East Coast cities, but everywhere. I've got a cousin-in-law running a big recycling center near L.A., and he says they still run all the haulage, all the trucks and drivers. Hey, this is a Conspiracy list, how come nobody discusses the mundane conspiracies, the conspiracies that suck us dry on the little things, like trash? Bilderbergers, Illuminati, these are all rather abstract, not like the very concrete conspiracies running blue-collar America. Garbage/trucking/mortuary conspiracies are real, immediate, inarguable. How many of the contributors here are paid agents of La Cosa Nostra, distracting us from reality? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Memory and post traumatic stress by Bessel van der Kolk, MD
-Caveat Lector- Hi ! Below please find an article from Bessel A. van der kolk pertaining to memory and PTSD. Sincerely, Neil Brick excerpts from http://www.trauma-pages.com/vanderk4.htm THE BODY KEEPS THE SCORE: Memory and the evolving psychobiology of post traumatic stress by Bessel van der Kolk, Bessel A. van der Kolk, MD. , Harvard Medical School, HRI Trauma Center, 227 Babcock Street, Boston, MA 02146 David Baldwin's Trauma Information Pages http://www.trauma-pages.com/ Eugene, Oregon USA (541) 686 2598 For more than a century, ever since people's responses to overwhelming experiences were first systematically explored, it has been noted that the psychological effects of trauma are expressed as changes in the biological stress response. In 1889, Pierre Janet (1), postulated that intense emotional reactions make events traumatic by interfering with the integration of the experience into existing memory schemes. Intense emotions, Janet thought, cause memories of particular events to be dissociated from consciousness, and to be stored, instead, as visceral sensations (anxiety and panic), or as visual images (nightmares and flashbacks). Janet also observed that traumatized patients seemed to react to reminders of the trauma with emergency responses that had been relevant to the original threat, but that had no bearing on current experience. He noted that victims had trouble learning from experience: unable to put the trauma behind them, their energies were absorbed by keeping their emotions under control at the expense of paying attention to current exigencies. They became fixated upon the past, in some cases by being obsessed with the trauma, but more often by behaving and feeling like they were traumatized over and over again without being able to locate the origins of these feelings (2,3). One hundred years ago, Pierre Janet (1) suggested that the most fundamental of mental activities is the storage and categorization of incoming sensations into memory, and the retrieval of those memories under appropriate circumstances. He, like contemporary memory researchers, understood that what is now called semantic, or declarative, memory is an active and constructive process and that remembering depends on existing mental schemata (3,80): once an event or a particular bit of information is integrated into existing mental schemes, it will no longer be accessible as a separate, immutable entity, but be distorted both by prior experience, and by the emotional state at the time of recall(3). PTSD, by definition, is accompanied by memory disturbances, consisting of both hypermnesias and amnesias (9,10). Research into the nature of traumatic memories (3) indicates that trauma interferes with delarative memory, i.e. conscious recall of experience, but does not inhibit implicit, or non-declarative memory, the memory system that controls conditioned emotional responses, skills and habits, and sensorimotor sensations related to experience. There now is enough information available about the biology of memory storage and retrieval to start building coherent hypotheses regarding the underlying psychobiological processes involved in these memory disturbances (3,16,17,25). Janet already noted that: "certain happenings ... leave indelible and distressing memories-- memories to which the sufferer continually returns, and by which he is tormented by day and by night" (81). Clinicians and researchers dealing with traumatized patients have repeatedly made the observation that the sensory experiences and visual images related to the trauma seem not to fade over time, and appear to be less subject to distortion than ordinary experiences (1,49,82). When people are traumatized, they are said to experience "speechless terror": the emotional impact of the event may interfere with the capacity to capture the experience in words or symbols. Piaget (83) thought that under such circumstances, failure of semantic memory leads to the organization of memory on a somatosensory or iconic level (such as somatic sensations, behavioral enactments, nightmares and flashbacks). He pointed out: "It is precisely because there is no immediate accommodation that there is complete dissociation of the inner activity from the external world. As the external world is solely represented by images, it is assimilated without resistance (i.e. unattached to other memories) to the unconscious ego". Physiological arousal in general can trigger trauma-related memories, while, conversely, trauma-related memories precipitate generalized physiological arousal. It is likely that the frequent re-living of a traumatic event in flashbacks or nightmares cause a re-release of stress hormones which further kindle the strength of the memory trace (46). Such a positive feedback loop could cause subclinical PTSD to escalate into clinical PTSD (16), in which the strength of the memories appear so deeply engraved that Pitman and Orr (17) have called it "the Black
[CTRL] Is Your PC Y2K Ready? (make it SO in 7 easy steps)
-Caveat Lector- Sorry if you already know to do this, but I felt it is important enough to pass it on. Most of us are ready for Y2K, right? ;-) Here is something so simple that few of us ever think about it... follow these instructions and check your system out... you may be surprised... TEST: Double click on "My Computer." Double click on "Control Panel." Double click on "Regional Settings" icon. Click on the "Date" tab at the top of the page. Where is says "Short Date Sample," look and see if it shows a "two digit" year. Of course it does. That's the default setting for Windows 95, Windows 98 and NT. This date setting is the date that feeds application software and WILL NOT roll over in the year 2000. It will roll over to 00. Click on the arrow button across from "Short Date Style" and select the option that shows mm/dd/. (Be sure your selection has four "y's" showing, not two.) IMPORTANT: Click on "Apply" and then on "OK" at the bottom. It is easy enough to fix, yet every single installation of Windows worldwide is defaulted to fail the Y2K rollover. Now you know how to prepare your computer. Well, how many people do you think know about this? What will be the effect? Who knows! But this is another example of the pervasiveness of this problem. Best, Mike = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #2
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SkeptiNews 990916b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question
: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No annoying prophets were martyred during the production of this bulletin.
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@ (from Eagle 1) It seems the DAY OF DESTINY came, and it went... 13 August,
without any significant occurrence. What's next on the Aztec calendar?
Here's an interesting link to research: http://www.dayofdestiny.com
Did you miss The End Of The World (Aztec)? Will you miss it next time too??
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# 450 Years Of Observable Strange Activity On The Moon! (NASA) A catalog of
reports of lunar events, has been compiled based on literature covering
more than four centuries. The purpose of this catalog is to index histor-
ical and modern records that may be useful in investigations of possible
activity on the moon. http://www.mufor.org/tlp/lunar.html
: What's your favorite unexplained Lunar activity? Were you involved in it??
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@ CROP CIRCLE CONTRAIL CONNECTION. "I have been both observing and
studying the "contrail" phenomenon for the past 6 months. I have
recently made an uncanny connection between crop circles and this
'weather modification experiment?'." http://www.caus.org/ccr081699.htm
: Have you cut any crop circles lately? Did you modify weather patterns with
the crop circles? Did your alien masters help you? Are you hypnotized? How?
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# Stunning High Level French Government Report On UFOs And Defense. (CNI) On
July 16, 1999, a document was published in France called "UFOs and Defense
-- What Must We Be Prepared For?" ("Les OVNI et la Defense. A quoi doit-on
se preparer?") This ninety-page report is the result of an in depth study
of UFOs covering many aspects of the subject, especially questions of
defense. http://www.sightings.com/ufo4/frenchufo.htm
: Can Earth be defended against aliens? Can aliens defend themselves against
humans? Who's more dangerous? Have any aliens threatened your security? How?
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# Indian population nears 1 bln. NEW DELHI (AP) - Buzzing scooters, banana
carts and rickshaws jostle with the beggars and children for a pinch of
space in the overstuffed alleys of Delhi's old city. India's population is
about to hit 1 billion; the crammed country looks ready to burst. Roughly
one in six people on Earth is Indian. There are about 72,000 Indians born
every day, and the population grows by about 16 million a year - almost
equivalent to adding the whole population of Australia every 12 months.
See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560724811-c86
: Is one Australia enough? Would a new Australia every year be too much? Do
you like Australia? Where would all the Indians go? Where would YOU go? Why?
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# Bio Weapons Said More Devastating Than Nukes. SYDNEY (AFP) Effective germ-
laden weapons have been developed and can potentially cause far greater
devastation than nuclear arms, bio-terrorism experts report. The Soviet
Union had successfully developed warheads filled with anthrax, smallpox,
plague and the Ebola virus. The experiments went on into the early 1990s
despite the Soviet Union signing the international treaty banning toxin
weapons in 1972. http://www.sightings.com/politics4/biodev.htm
: Would you rather be nuked, gassed, infected, burnt, eaten by crocodiles or
ants? Do you breed Ebola in your home lab? Have you tested it? Does it work?
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# Shoppers raise GM food fear. (BBC) Shoppers fear the UK Government may
be deliberately misleading them over genetically-modified (GM) foods.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_421000/421575.stm
@ Links: Environment Agency: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/
@ Friends of the Earth - list of GM crop test sites:
http://www.foe.co.uk/camps/foodbio/queries/
: Does/should your gov't mislead you about Frankenfoods? Do you prefer GM
eats? Do they restore your vitality, your zing glow? Do you glow much? Why?
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# 200,000 Catholics gather in Vietnam for mass. LA VANG, Vietnam (AP) - A
massive gathering of Roman Catholics wrapped up Sunday with a sunrise Mass
and questions lingering about whether Vietnam's communist government has
become more tolerant of religion. More than 200,000 people streamed into
tiny central village of La Vang for the 3-day event, which commemorated
the 200th anniversary of a sighting of an apparition of the Virgin Mary.
It is the only such sighting ever reported in Southeast Asia. See
http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560723317-654
: Does Mary generally avoid Indochina? Why? Is it the climate, the people,
the politics, the aliens? If your were Mary, where would you avoid? Why??
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# 2 accused of drug sale over Internet.
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #3
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990916c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No Elvis sightings were reported during the production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # A Century Of Ingenuity. PARIS (AFP) - Human ingenuity knows no bounds. The spirit of innovation has powered progress since the creation of the first handaxe. And the 20th century has seen an explosion of inventive genius unparalleled in history. http://www.sightings.com/politics4/ing.htm : Have you invented anything lately? Does anyone use your invention? Were you paid for it? Did you alien masters help you? Do they collect royalties? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Entering The Millenium: Facing The Threat Of Self-Extinction. PARIS (AFP) For the first time in history mankind enters a new century facing threats of self-inflicted extinction. With explosive population growth bringing not just more people but also more pollution, more greenhouse gases, more toxic waste and more irreversible damage to the biosphere, the environment has moved in 100 years from a peripheral to a central focus of the global political agenda. http://www.sightings.com/politics4/threat.htm : Are you ready for extinction? Have humans faced extinction before? Do you relish the thought of extinction? Do you work for the Reptilioids? Why not? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ $ JOHN A. KEEL is joining the panel, "The UFO: Anomaly, Reality, Implica- tions," at THE PROPHETS CONFERENCE being held in picturesque Port Town- send, Washington, during the weekend of AUGUST 27-29. He will be joined on this unprecedented panel by JOE FIRMAGE, DR. EDGAR MITCHELL, DR. ROBERT ANTON WILSON, DR. STEVEN GREER, DR. JOHN MACK, and MARCIA SCHAFER. Each of the panelists will also present an individual workshop and Keel's presentation is entitled: "Carnival of the Mind: How the Human Race Is the Side Show for the Universe." http://greatmystery.org/prophets.html : What prophets would you pay to see/hear/experience/mindmeld/fornicate/off? Have you interacted with many prophets before? Are they fun, tedious, weird? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Australia recruited Nazis. MELBOURNE (AP) Australia secretly recruited Nazi scientists, including former members of Hitler's SS guards, for defense projects after World War II, Australian newspapers reported Monday. The allegations come from information in previously classified documents from the country's National Archives. Ben Chifley, then prime minister, allowed at least 127 Nazi scientists into the country to work on government defense projects, the papers said. But they despised Aussie beer. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560731899-00c @ Also: Really Vile AntiSemitic Propaganda: http://www.jewwatch.com : Are our Nazis better than their Nazis? Are your Nazis better than mine? Do you work with any Nazis now? Are they only following orders? Are you? Why?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # The BotGames: Made for TV? A weekend robot competition drew engineers, games enthusiasts, and lots of kids. Is it the next great spectator sport? http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/21284.html : Have you designed/built any killer 'bots lately? Is it fun? Did you incor- porate teledildonic technology in them? Are they competitive, virile, buff? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # All Eyes on Columbine. Crime's down, but fear's up -- especially in Littleton, Colorado. So Columbine High kids are returning to school watched by video cameras and carrying ID cards. We're watching you: http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/21277.html : Do you feel safer when you're under surveillance? Do you like to watch? Do you like to be watched? Do you really need privacy? Would you give it up??? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Fans mark death of Elvis Presley. MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) Elvis Presley fans sobbed at his grave, tapped their toes to rock 'n' roll and dressed like their idol to mark the 22nd anniversary of his death. Up to 4,000 devotees gathered in the street in front of Presley's Graceland mansion to light candles from a torch at Presley's grave before walking single file up the driveway to the grave beside Graceland's swimming pool. Then they were abducted: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560729729-c77 : Have you seen Elvis lately? Did the Reptilioids mistreat him? Is he fat?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ Space Business Archives: created in 1992 by industry officials convinced that the history of commercial space flight was being lost thru destruct- ion of documents and departure of key industry personnel through industry downsizing and retirements. They amassed thousands of pages of business plans, proposals, video tapes, pictures and other key papers (many one-of- a-kind) that otherwise would be lost to history.
Re: [CTRL] US Air Force--Spraying Toxic Substances?
-Caveat Lector- Would this be the same substances sprayed from mysterious black helicopters, I've read about? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] re : False Memory Movement's Remedy for a Nonexistent Problem
-Caveat Lector- Hi ! The article below details "FMS" and possible misrepresentations. Sincerely, Neil Brick Excerpts from http://members.aol.com/conch8/antiTRMP1.html Originally published in Moving Forward, Volume 3, No. 3, pp 1, 12-21, 1995. THE HIGHLY MISLEADING TRUTH AND RESPONSIBILITY IN MENTAL HEALTH PRACTICES ACT: The "False Memory" Movement's Remedy for a Nonexistent Problem by Judith M. Simon "...The problem with this definition is that it has no true clinical meaning. A "deeply ingrained" memory that "orients the individual's entire personality and lifestyle . . ." is not a diagnostic criterion but a conclusion about the veracity of contested memories that is based on unspecified criteria. More importantly, sufferers of "FMS" are virtually indistinguishable from clients with posttraumatic stress disorder (Table 1)a condition prevalent among victims of childhood sexual abuse. Although FMS proponents may argue that therapy itself causes posttraumatic stress disorder, there is no evidence to support such a claim. There are no tests to measure FMS, and there is no way to determine if someone has it. Because it cannot be identified, it cannot be scientifically investigated, which is why no studies or case reports of it have been published in the peer-reviewed professional literature.[21] FMS purportedly arises from "recovered memory therapy," a theoretical practice said to be capable of creating memories of childhood sexual abuse in psychotherapy patients. The "diagnosis" of FMS was introduced in 1992 by Pamela Freyd, Ph.D. (an educator) and her husband Peter Freyd, Ph.D. (a mathematician). The Freyds conceived the idea of FMS not after years of dedicated study and research in psychology, but, rather, soon after their daughter (Jennifer Freyd, Ph.D.) privately confronted them with memories of incest perpetrated by her father. (Ironically, Jennifer is a respected research psychologist specializing in memory and perception.) In 1993, the Freyds, who are co-founders of the FMSF, filed a complaint against Jennifer's former therapist, but the Oregon State Board of Psychologist Examiners dismissed the case "in its entirety." FMS is not recognized by experts in sexual abuse trauma. It does not appear in the American Psychiatric Association's official compendium of mental disorders and is not being considered for inclusion in that manual." "Recovered memory therapy" (RMT) is another scientific-sounding term that originated alongside FMS and has been given the following definition: "Recovered memory therapy" is a term covering a wide variety of therapeutic techniques which assume that the patient's current symptoms are caused by traumatic events which have been lost to conscious recollection; these therapies further assume that restoration of conscious recollection (or at least acknowledgment that the trauma occurred) is essential to the successful treatment of the patient's symptoms. [22] This definition also does not appear anywhere in the scientific literature and does not refer to any process recognized by the mental health professions. Again, it originates with John Kihlstrom, who goes on to say that RMT is a kind of continuum of therapies which are concerned with the patient's memories (however they are recovered). . . . Outside the continuum entirely are . . . therapies that don't make reference to memory, or use memory, in any formal way, and which don't make assumptions about the historical causes of present symptoms. [23] According to FMS theory, then, therapy clients have been subjected to RMT if they remember or talk about anything from their past an activity that is "hazardous" because it can result in "false memory syndrome." In a 1984 report on refreshing recollection through hypnosis, the AMA reaffirmed its longstanding recognition of hypnosis as a valid therapeutic modality: As a therapeutic technique hypnosis may be helpful in dealing with the emotional consequences of a traumatic event; that is, a recollection may have emotional validity even if it may not be historically accurate. Thus, it is not important for the therapist to concern himself with the veracity of what is remembered under hypnosis, but rather to help the patient integrate this material in an ego syntonic way to deal with the traumatic events that are presumed to have occurred. [26] FMS proponents argue that some people are so suggestible that they can be influenced into believing they were sexually abused in childhood when actually they were not. This assertion, however, has little scientific basis. According to a recent review of the scientific literature on this subject sponsored by the National Institute of Mental Health: The case for the suggestibility of real-life emotional memory to intrusions from postevent information is weak. Studies of actual victims and witnesses to crimes show no evidence of suggestibility, and diary studies rarely reveal overt errors or confabulations. [31] FMS
Re: [CTRL] On Dealing with Idiots
-Caveat Lector- Takes one to know one. snort "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" is the correct spelling. Idiot savant that I am at times, I learned to spell it as a very young child. Tenorlove --- Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Nicky Are You Talking About: Supercalifragilisticexpealexdocious? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Crunching a Few Numbers for Clintons' Dream House--NYTimes (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- August 17, 1999 Crunching a Few Numbers for Clintons' Dream House By DON VAN NATTA JR. WASHINGTON -- Since the first days of her house-hunting tour through the hamlets of Westchester County, N.Y., Hillary Rodham Clinton has worried that she and her husband may not be able to afford the seven-figure showplace homes they have inspected. The Clintons are the least affluent couple to occupy the White House since Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter lived there 20 years ago. They have not owned their own home since 1983. At the same time they are viewing million-dollar-plus houses, President and Mrs. Clinton are also deep in debt. They owe a battery of lawyers $5.5 million, a sum that far exceeds their net worth of approximately $1.5 million. While the Clintons are weighing whether to place bids on Westchester properties, the administrators of the Clinton Legal Expense Trust are mailing out new appeals for donations and are expressing concern that they will not be able to erase the Clintons' debt before the president leaves office. Yet an analysis of the Clintons' finances shows that the first family can still afford to purchase a property in the price range of the ones they toured on Sunday, from a seven-bedroom, $1.7 million house in Edgemont, N.Y., to a 4.14-acre property in Rye Brook, N.Y., that is listed at $2.3 million. If the Clintons make a 20 percent down payment of $440,000 on a $2.2 million house, a 30-year mortgage, at a fixed rate of 8.75 percent, would mean their monthly payment would be $13,845, said Seth Cohen, the managing director of Home Mortgage Acceptance Corp. in Manhattan. Cohen estimated that the Clintons would also owe about $25,000 a year in property taxes and about $500 a month on insurance. "That comes to a monthly nut of about $16,645," Cohen said. He said that the Clintons would need to earn about $525,000 a year to qualify for that particular mortgage. Based on the Clintons' 1998 income, the couple would qualify now for such a mortgage. One possible way that the Clintons could meet a high monthly mortgage payment, before they left the White House, would be to sell $150,000 or $200,000 worth of securities and keep the money in an interest-bearing checking account, supporters said. Each month, the couple could write a check drawn on that account to meet the high monthly payments until the president's term expires and he begins to earn a higher income. Friends and supporters said Monday that the Clintons had not decided whether to buy or rent a home, but they seemed to be leaning toward making an offer and applying for, as one friend described it, "a super-jumbo mortgage." And it appears that banks and mortgage lenders would be willing to lend them a lot of money. If Mrs. Clinton wins election to the Senate from New York in November 2000, her annual income will be $129,619, or 35 percent less than the president's current $200,000 annual salary. When he leaves office in January 2001, Clinton could become his family's predominant bread-winner for the first time since the early 1980s. His friends say he has strong potential to earn millions of dollars from book deals, speaking engagements and, possibly, serving on corporate boards. "He'll do great," said James Carville, a political strategist and a close friend of the Clintons. "His book advance alone will be enough to pay off the balance of a large mortgage." Other former presidents, including Gerald Ford, have served on corporate boards. Former President Carter has done well as an author. Former Presidents Reagan and Bush have earned high speaking fees abroad, including a $2 million fee paid to Reagan by a Japanese corporation. If Mrs. Clinton loses or abandons her bid for the Senate, she, too, would likely be in demand. She has already written a best seller and several publishing executives have said they think her memoirs could fetch more than the president's. Corporations would likely compete for her service on their boards. Mortgage experts say that a couple with an annual income of $500,000 can easily qualify for a mortgage for a home costing $2 million. Of course, most couples do not have the Clintons' legal debts, but then those who have such debts do not have a legal defense fund raising
