Re: [darktable-user] Turning Darktable into a file manager

Hi! Darktable does many things: Conversion from raw, retouching, search capabilities using a database of metadata, some management of files, exporting to websites... Naturally, it cannot be perfect in all of these areas. And if it was perfect for one user, it would probably be unbearable for

Re: [darktable-user] history / Filmic RGB random reversions & resets

If you can reproduce this, could you try to make a screencast? Of course, you would need to have a server to upload to in order to share this. Cheers Stefan -- https://stefan-klinger.de o/X I prefer receiving plain text messages, not exceeding 32kB./\/

[darktable-user] Observations with 3.1.0

Hi, two questions observations I've made with the most recent update to $ darktable --version this is darktable 3.1.0+1283~g36b8d524a Doubleclick on an image in the lighttable view does not open the darkroom view anymore. Instead I see a "no image selected!" message. Anyone else

Re: [darktable-user] look for updated xmp files on startup

I agree with everything you've said, except this: Guillermo Rozas (2020-Mar-31, excerpt): > If you keep all your edition on darktable, the most probable reason > for disagreement is xmp file corruption and non-updates because of > power failure, and then the database should be the most accurate >

Re: [darktable-user] look for updated xmp files on startup

Hi J. Verreault (2020-Mar-28, excerpt): > Can someone help me with the bold part please...? DT stores the processing you do on an image in two places, an SQL database, and an XML file. The database allows for fast searching in a huge collection, and the files allow to organize (backup, copy,

Re: [darktable-user] Fontsize with darktable 3.0.0~git325.4538201be

Anton Aylward (2020-Feb-09, excerpt): > Which scroll bars do you mean?I'm using Linux and I found that the > scroll bars of the window are part of the window manager setup. AFAIK, Scrollbars of a program are not managed by the window manager. They are governed by the toolkit (e.g., GTK). The

Re: [darktable-user] Fontsize with darktable 3.0.0~git325.4538201be

Аl Воgnеr (2020-Feb-02, excerpt): > I changed already dpi with my XFCE, so this is fine for the most > programs, but not all and dt looks now unusable. I do not know about XFCE, but when you're facing font problems affecting multiple programs, then maybe you need to have a look at fontconfig [1],

Re: [darktable-user] Fontsize with darktable 3.0.0~git325.4538201be

Christian (2020-Feb-01, excerpt): > custom DPI is scaling all GUI elements, while CSS font-size mainly > affects the font size. Ah, I see... thanks! darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to

Re: [darktable-user] Fontsize with darktable 3.0.0~git325.4538201be

Hi Chris, Christian (2020-Feb-01, excerpt): > - Set Custom DPI in darktablerc, eg. screen_dpi_overwrite=120.0 would that be the correct approach in case the font size was the only thing I wanted to change? I have no idea, but to me configuration of the screen's DPI sounds quite broad. I wonder

Re: [darktable-user] Fontsize with darktable 3.0.0~git325.4538201be

Аl Воgnеr (2020-Jan-31, excerpt): > Bevor I had settings which worked with my UHD-monitor. Now > everything is too big. What do I have to change to get smaller > fonts? Ignore Patrick. Create your own style in a .css file under `~/.config/darktable/themes`, you may have to create this directory.

Re: [darktable-user] Semi-OT: setting orientation

Of course, you're free to do with your RAWs whatever you want. I, personally, would leave Darktable when it messed with my RAW images. Sherwood Botsford (2020-Jan-29, excerpt): > Camera makers understand that their cameras have to work with other > editing tools. Wrong. They have proven

Re: [darktable-user] Semi-OT: setting orientation

What would you do when camera makers decided to store a cryptographic hash or even a signature created over the image and other metadata? You'd invalidate the whole image. I'm not saying they do, but one day they might. Would be a nice feature to certify to some extent how the image was taken.

Re: [darktable-user] export and external command (lua)

darktable...@ebaf.me (2020-Jan-27, excerpt): > Maybe it's possible by creating a new storage. In this case, what is > the widget object to be able to use variables (like in directory and > filename field in the "file on disk" storage). That's exactly what I did [1] in order to post-process some

Re: [darktable-user] lua creating (ephemeral?) collection

August Schwerdfeger (2020-Jan-22, excerpt): > * Tags are stored in the (library) database in the table 'used_tags', with > a name and ID. The tag/image relation is established by pairs of IDs in the > table 'tagged_images'. Ah, thanks. I could not find the `used_tags` table, turned out it is in

Re: [darktable-user] Filmic dynamic range changes when moving grey

Stefan Klinger (2020-Jan-19, excerpt): > or there might be a sign error in “filmic” (that nobody has > noticed?!). Now this "change" (I'm not claiming it to be a "fix"), would give me bahaviour I personally would expect: In `src/iop/filmicrgb.c` change p->black_point_source =

Re: [darktable-user] Lab/RGB - the new workflow

Okay, let me clarify my question: I know Aurélien is a DT developer, and as I've said, I do not doubt his qualification. What surprises me is the location of his articles (especially when ranting, e.g., against “base curve”), outside the DT website, while said modules are still offered

Re: [darktable-user] Monitor

Jesus Arocho (2020-Jan-10, excerpt): > I plan to buy a new monitor I've been quite satisfied with the Eizo S2110W I've bought in 2006 (yes, twenty-oh-six), but it now has developed a yellow tint in the middle of the screen. Outside that area, colormunki says the colors are allright. In 2017

Re: [darktable-user] Lab/RGB - the new workflow

KOVÁCS István (2020-Jan-15, excerpt): > https://hackmd.io/Wd0kNkg9Snq1lfC4KnUSlg?view Wow, yes, this was pretty informative. Especially the comments on which modules to use and which not. Unfortunately, I could not find some module names mentioned in the text (and my French is insufficient to

Re: [darktable-user] 3.0 config questions

jys (2020-Jan-09, excerpt): > If you're using a darktable version from after the panel-dragging > was added, you should also have numbered versions of those, > something like: > > darkroom/ui/0/panels_collapse_controls=FALSE > lighttable/ui/1/panels_collapse_controls=FALSE Interesting, thank

Re: [darktable-user] Apply style on import / Disable base curve

jys (2019-Jun-08, excerpt): > master has an option to not apply base curves Awww, did not see this being added — all work for nothin... -- http://stefan-klinger.deo/X I prefer receiving plain text messages, not exceeding 32kB. /\/

[darktable-user] Apply style on import / Disable base curve

Maybe I've reinvented the wheel (please comment on that), but I really could not find a way to automatically apply a style (not: a preset) on import. I've only found this stackexchange post [1]. In order to start with "base curve" disabled by default, I've implemented a small lua script that

Re: [darktable-user] Learning to use filmic

Many thanks to you both for the tips and for taking the time to provide your own edits. Much appreciated! Cheers Stefan -- http://stefan-klinger.deo/X I prefer receiving plain text messages, not exceeding 32kB. /\/

[darktable-user] Learning to use filmic

Hi! I'm trying to use filmic instead of base curve, but I have to say: It's not easy — which is not surprising, because I have never modified the base curve before, so the slightest need for adjustments increases the workload by an infinite factor, so no complaint here. So I'm going through a

Re: [darktable-user] Fwd: Base curve generation process

Florian W (2019-Jun-04, excerpt): > Hi Stefan, thanks for noticing me about it, yes I read through the whole > thread and even participated into the discussion. Sorry, my bad, did not realise you've been posting there. I certainly did not want to start a discussion, just give a pointer since

Re: [darktable-user] Fwd: Base curve generation process

Florian W (2019-May-28, excerpt): > Does anyone know if the procedure to generate base curves is still > up to date ? Did you see the thread "DT bad on skin tones?" on the `darktable-dev` list? Aurélien made it pretty clear [1] that base curves are bad. My understanding of this is that base

Re: [darktable-user] rgb curve or tone curve

Hi! johannes hanika (2019-May-21, excerpt): > so suggesting to remove the tone curve module from your images > doesn't really make much sense. Just to clarify: I did not understand the suggestion to mean changing the curve module for all existing images, but rather to make the switch for future

Re: [darktable-user] Complete history stack seems to be exported into jpegs metadata

Hi! Kneops (2019-May-20, excerpt): > Well, that works and gives me a very very naked exif window  Glad to help you. > I tried to add another field, but perhaps my way of thinking is > wrong, I just copied a line and added the title: Sorry: Please don't send screenshots of code! Never do

Re: [darktable-user] Complete history stack seems to be exported into jpegs metadata

Kneops (2019-May-19, excerpt): > It would be nice to be able to decide what to export. I've just written a small script that demonstrates how you may modify/filter/scrub exif data on export [1]. * Install as explained in the README. Then (re)start darktable. * select some images in

Re: [darktable-user] Complete history stack seems to be exported into jpegs metadata

Kneops (2019-May-19, excerpt): > I just noticed this and I wonder how I can prevent this, or perhaps their is > a good reason for this? It will probably not make the size of a jpeg much > larger, but it just doesn't seem to be information that needs to go into a > jpeg. For all images I hand out,

Re: [darktable-user] What about adding more IPTC fields to the metadata editor?

Hi Kneops, sorry, still can't halp you. I've spent some time looking at darktable's Lua API to figure out whether there would be an easy way to solve your problem, but there is not. I came up with a *very experimental* Lua script (attached) that can call `exiv2` to modify metadata in XMP files,

Re: [darktable-user] LUA reload sidecar

William Ferguson (2019-May-16, excerpt): > so if you're looking for the newest features then you might have to > generate a manual from source. I'm looking for documentation of the rationale behind the API, and the overall architecture. Having only lists of function signatures (with incomplete

Re: [darktable-user] LUA reload sidecar

William Ferguson (2019-May-16, excerpt): > Lets try removing the image from the database, then importing it to > see if that forces a sidecar load. Okay, trying this. How do I delete an image from the database? Searching for `delete` yields [1] then [2]. I really find darktable's Lua

Re: [darktable-user] LUA reload sidecar

Yes, Remco has basically said all there is to say. I did not expect DT to understand extra metadata. To the contrary: I'm expecting DT to play nicely with metadata it does not know. For every tag the DT devs implement, I can ask for anoher one — that's exactly the opposite of KISS and forces

Re: [darktable-user] LUA reload sidecar

William Ferguson (2019-May-15, excerpt): > Without knowing more specifics about what you're trying to do, > that's the best I can come up with at the moment. I'm trying to figure out how difficult it would be to satisfy Kneops' request about editing more metadata fields, following the KISS

Re: [darktable-user] LUA remove lighttable module

William Ferguson (2019-May-15, excerpt): > > Also, what's the precise semantics of `{[dt.gui.views.lighttable] = > > {"DT_UI_CONTAINER_PANEL_RIGHT_CENTER", 100}}`, and where would I find > > documentation about the alternatives? > > > The lua api is documented at >

Re: [darktable-user] LUA reload sidecar

William Ferguson (2019-May-15, excerpt): > > Hi, one more Lua question: > > > > How can I trigger darktable to reload a sidecar file of an > > already-imported file (and update its databas accordingly)? > You could try importing the image using darktable.database.import(). Thanks, I've tried

[darktable-user] LUA reload sidecar

Hi, one more Lua question: How can I trigger darktable to reload a sidecar file of an already-imported file (and update its databas accordingly)? I have a script that externally changes the Xmp metadata of a file. Currently I need to restart darktable, which then recognises the modified sidecars

[darktable-user] LUA remove lighttable module

Hi, two Lua questions: After registering a module using dt.register_lib( ... , {[dt.gui.views.lighttable] = {"DT_UI_CONTAINER_PANEL_RIGHT_CENTER", 100}}, ...) how can I remove it again? I was looking for a `dt.unregister_lib`, but could not find one. Also, what's the precise semantics of

Re: [darktable-user] What about adding more IPTC fields to the metadata editor?

tl;dr: If it can be done with 3rd party software, you should like it. Hi, sorry, I cannot solve your problem, since I do almost no metadata editing. But I'd like to comment on one important misconception: Kneops (2019-May-13, excerpt): > I really would like to be able to do this in one program

Re: [darktable-user] Inaccurate color display or color picker?

Normand Fortier (2019-Feb-06, excerpt): > We need the display profile to display the image on the monitor that DT is > using, but the ultimate destination of the image is something different: it > could be the Web (sRGB) or a printer. In my case I export images with > ProPhoto and then the

Re: [darktable-user] Inaccurate color display or color picker?

Matthieu Moy (2019-Jan-24, excerpt): > dt runs > the image through the whole pipeline, displays the result and uses > it for the picker and histogram. A more rigorous approach would run > the image through the pipeline up to the output color profile, and > then export to monitor space to display

Re: [darktable-user] Inaccurate color display or color picker?

Normand Fortier (2019-Jan-23, excerpt): > For example, in the upper left group: > 24 -> (29,29,28) > 25 -> (29,30,29) > 26 -> (30,30,29) > 27 -> (31,31,30) > 28 -> (31,32,31) > 29 -> (32,33,32) > 30 -> (33,34,33) I observe this too, slightly different values though. According to the manual [1]

Re: [darktable-user] Batch renaming software?

August Schwerdfeger (2018-Nov-08, excerpt): > Can anybody recommend any good batch-renaming packages? The most flexible tool to do this on Linux is your shell. What you need: * A tool to extract the information you want to use for renaming. To use EXIF data, maybe use [1], but there are

[darktable-user] Thanks for the manual. Thanks for the videos, but...

tl;dr: Videos are hard to make, antiquate fast, and are hard to search. Having done teaching, I've had lengthy discussions about tutorial videos, lecture recordings, interactive apps and stuff like that. Here's my personal view: Don't get me wrong: I *sincerely appreciate* the effort put into

Re: [darktable-user] Easy way to remove imported presets?

kneops (2018-Sep-25, excerpt): > I'm not sure what the problem is, perhaps a miscommunication? If only some of the data is deleted from a database, it might end up in an inconsistent state. Depending on the assumptions the application makes about the DB's state, this may break later. > Op

Re: [darktable-user] Easy way to remove imported presets?

kneops (2018-Sep-25, excerpt): > This works for me: What your screenshot shows is the deletion of the row containing id, name, and description from the table styles. This is exactly what I've written in my first mail. Using a GUI tool to do what you can do in `sqlite3` does not change anything.

Re: [darktable-user] Easy way to remove imported presets?

Patrick Shanahan (2018-Sep-24, excerpt): > * dt-l...@stefan-klinger.de [09-24-18 06:00]: > > Hmmm, Patrick, does your comment answer my question? Or did it relate > > to something else? I'm not sure: > > > > Patrick Shanahan (2018-Sep-23, excerpt): > > ... > > > > > > So for me it's three

Re: [darktable-user] Easy way to remove imported presets?

Hmmm, Patrick, does your comment answer my question? Or did it relate to something else? I'm not sure: Patrick Shanahan (2018-Sep-23, excerpt): ... > > > > So for me it's three styles. I want to delete the one with id 2: > > > > > > > > sqlite> delete from styles where id = 2; ... > > >

Re: [darktable-user] Easy way to remove imported presets?

Patrick Shanahan (2018-Sep-23, excerpt): > * kneops [09-23-18 07:11]: > > I imported a bunch of presets and now want to remove them (dozens), and it > > seems I can only remove them one by one. After each removal the list jumps > > back to the top of the list in Lighttable mode. I looked inside >

Re: [darktable-user] a7r2

Jason Polak (2018-Sep-15, excerpt): > Well, to the OP, let us know how the update goes, most likely you'll > have to find a OS X or Windows machine. Or send it back to Sony. If you're still in the timeframe of being able to return it, you could see how they react. Would be quite radical though.

Re: [darktable-user] a7r2

Patrick Shanahan (2018-Sep-14, excerpt): > what does you manual say. I have no idea about sony, but nikon firmware > file is an executable zip, Last time I checked, the Nikon firmware came as executable for Windows, which actually was a self-extracting RAR archive. I've found out with the

Re: [darktable-user] Labelling works on mouse over image instead of clicked image or image viewed

kneops (2018-Aug-25, excerpt): > When in Lighttable or Darkroom mode and I want to add a color label > to an image, the label is added to the image where the mouse pointer > currently is, not the image I've clicked or the image I'm currently > editing in Darkroom. Even worse: In Darkroom you can

Re: [darktable-user] adjust levels for color channels

Matthieu Moy (2018-Aug-08, excerpt): > Yes, color balance is does things very similar to what the video > shows with "levels" in Capture One. You can inject more or less of a > given color in shadows, highlights and midtones. Ah, okay. It's actually in the textual description [1] of “color

Re: [darktable-user] White balance Spot Selection & History stack copying

Jochen Keil (2018-Aug-01, excerpt): > Is there a way to tell darktable that it should analyze each image on its > own using the selected spot area for white balance? I doubt it. I've been asking for the same thing with respect to exposure correction (metering a certain region on all images for

Re: [darktable-user] adjust levels for color channels

Hi, and thanks for the feedback! Tomas Sobek (2018-Aug-01, excerpt): > Using Color Correction module produces similar results (colour adjustments > separately for shadows and highlights as in the video) and is far more > intuitive IMO. Yes, but it's also much more limited in just providing

[darktable-user] adjust levels for color channels

Hi, in a recent video [1] Ted Forbes describes levels adjustments in “Capture One”, which allows to adjust levels for the individual color channels. Is there a similar tool in darktable as well? Thanks! [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQiqOinqHV4 --

Re: [darktable-user] opencl problems

François Patte (2018-Apr-24, excerpt): > How to debug opencl? Sometimes, darktable displays a message: "DT has > encounter a problem with opencl which will be disabled for this session". If it worked before: I sometimes see this after updating the Linux kernel or nvidia drivers. Rebooting helps

Re: [darktable-user] Darkrtable segfaults on start

Well, now the problem solved with update. johannes hanika (2018-Apr-23, excerpt): > worker_threads=8 does sound high. It is the default set by darktable if I delete `~/.config/darktable`. $ darktable [defaults] found a 64-bit system with 8069452 kb ram and 6 cores (0 atom based)

Re: [darktable-user] Darkrtable segfaults on start

Germano Massullo (2018-Apr-22, excerpt): > darktable Redmine bugreport platform is the proper place where you can talk > about crashes This is now Bug #12149 https://redmine.darktable.org/issues/12149 -- http://stefan-klinger.de o/X Send plain text

Re: [darktable-user] Darkrtable segfaults on start

Michael Below (2018-Apr-22, excerpt): > This may be a general load issue on your system. Maybe check the > temperature sensors and run a RAM test. Generally my system is very stable, even under heavy load. I do not see crashes other than the one related to darktable, and that one is limited in

Re: [darktable-user] Darkrtable segfaults on start

Actually, I guess this must have something to do with thumbnail creation. I can easily trigger the crash with $ rm -rf ~/.cache/darktable and then scrolling up throught the photo collection. Now darktable always crashes immediately when I start it. I have attached a ggb backtrace of this.

Re: [darktable-user] Darkrtable segfaults on start

johannes hanika (2018-Apr-21, excerpt): > did you at some point adjust the number of worker threads by any > chance? Not that I'd be aware of. I have $ grep work ~/.config/darktable/darktablerc worker_threads=8 Anyplace else? > there is a surprising amount of different stuff going on

Re: [darktable-user] Darkrtable segfaults on start

Thank you for looking into this! Germano Massullo (2018-Apr-20, excerpt): > $ gdb --args darktable > (gdb) run > > and when the crash occurs, > > (gdb) thread apply all backtrace Attached as requested. Further info: * The output on the command line varies (not surprisingly in a

[darktable-user] Darkrtable segfaults on start

Hi, darktable segfaults shortly after startup. $ darktable Segmentation fault (core dumped) This occurred for the first time when I tried to apply a history stack to a couple of images (about 15). Darktable crashed during this operation. Now it always segfaults shortly after startup.

Re: Image write disable token instead? - Re: [darktable-user] Undo in lightable?

Mark Heieis (2017-Apr-16, excerpt): > Just wondering if an > "image write disable" that prevents any changes to the image > (some what akin to the color buttons) might by a > solution/option. It's not an undo but would protect image > edits and could

Re: [darktable-user] Fwd: Darktable cannot open and replaced by a game....

Patrick Shanahan (2017-Apr-03, excerpt): > you need to remember what you contributed and the cost of the software. > you *can* choose to use something else. The way DT developers handle constructive criticism [1] drove me away from trying to contribute. Until the DT developers are convinced

Re: [darktable-user] Darktable steals focus

Tobias Ellinghaus (2017-Apr-01, excerpt): > Am Freitag, 31. März 2017, 14:46:29 CEST schrieb Stefan Klinger: > > Hi, > > Hi. > > > when DT 2.3.0 is done exporting images, it brings itself to the > > foreground if its window does not have the focus. Can I disable this? > > What window manager

Re: focus-follows-mouse in DT UI (Re: [darktable-user] Reversing history stack paste.)

Stéphane Gourichon (2017-Mar-31, excerpt): > It appears that the real cause is not the mouse pointer exiting the > textbox, but entering the drop-downs above and below. It's not that > the mouse leave the textbox, it's that entering a dropdown steals > focus. Interesting observation.

Re: focus-follows-mouse in DT UI (Re: [darktable-user] Reversing history stack paste.)

Colin Adams (2017-Mar-31, excerpt): > On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 at 17:58 Pascal Obry wrote: > > This looks like a feature to me and I use it this way to mark multiple > > photos very close with the same rating and/or color. > > > > Whereas to me it's a bug. I have to admit, Pascal

Re: focus-follows-mouse in DT UI (Re: [darktable-user] Reversing history stack paste.)

Stéphane Gourichon (2017-Mar-31, excerpt): > I like the idea of keeping things simple, but can you tell a > solution that does not increase complexity? I'd be happy if I had to click somewhere before it accepts input. I.e., focus-does-NOT-follow-mouse. Lighttable, click on one image. If you

Re: [darktable-user] Reversing history stack paste.

Am 31.03.2017 um 05:43 schrieb darkta...@911networks.com: > Me too, I have had to edit every image selected because I pressed > the wrong key. In this thread we're just throwing more complexity (backups, undo in lighttable) at a problem that arose from DT's user interface. An application should