Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-15 Thread Milan Knížek
Christian Kanzian píše v Út 03. 12. 2013 v 11:07 +0100: > So I seppareted them into folders whereby I don't manage my RAWs with > digikam. That seems to be the safest way. > I sort, rate, process and tag my RAWs with darktable and collect the > exports in digikam, don't using the xmp files in dig

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-04 Thread Wolfgang Mader
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 01:04:50 AM Tobias Ellinghaus wrote: > Am Montag, 2. Dezember 2013, 22:57:51 schrieb Simon Spannagel: > > I actually thought darktable would write into the same XMP file using its > > own name space. Therefore the two sets of information shouldn't interfere > > beside

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-04 Thread Tobias Ellinghaus
Am Mittwoch, 4. Dezember 2013, 10:24:47 schrieb Giacomo Catenazzi: > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote: > > Am Dienstag, 3. Dezember 2013, 10:12:49 schrieb Giacomo Catenazzi: > > > (geotagging in dt still sucks; OTOH many other things sucks much more, > > > in the other prog

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-04 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote: > Am Dienstag, 3. Dezember 2013, 10:12:49 schrieb Giacomo Catenazzi: > > (geotagging in dt still sucks; OTOH many other things sucks much more, > > in the other programs) > > Bug reports and feature requests are welcome. > > I don't want t

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-03 Thread Tobias Ellinghaus
Am Dienstag, 3. Dezember 2013, 10:12:49 schrieb Giacomo Catenazzi: > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Pascal Obry wrote: > > 2013/12/3 : > > > All of which is to say: there is diversity in what people are trying to > > > > do. > > > > Right, I just wanted to be sure the whole dt workflow was und

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-03 Thread Christian Kanzian
> Workflows are very personal. Of course, would be interesting how different they are. I use digikam since 2004 as hoppyist, but didn't took care on any 'workflow'. Starting processing RAWs in darktable last year, I quickly noticed that having RAWs and exported JPGs in digikam is a nightmare.

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-03 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Pascal Obry wrote: > 2013/12/3 : > > All of which is to say: there is diversity in what people are trying to > do. > > Right, I just wanted to be sure the whole dt workflow was understood > before trying to find something better :) > > I had some cases where peopl

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-03 Thread Pascal Obry
2013/12/3 : > All of which is to say: there is diversity in what people are trying to do. Right, I just wanted to be sure the whole dt workflow was understood before trying to find something better :) I had some cases where people didn't take the necessary time to understand and adapt to a new s

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-03 Thread Rob Dean
I use darktable and digikam together and have never had a problem. I use digikam to import images from my cameras card, give the images a star rating in digikam then open the folder they are in with darktable to do my processing. Darktable displays the star rating I gave the image in digikam so

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread junkyardsparkle
On 2013-12-02 davi...@frontier.com wrote: > A raw file keeps all of our options open: We can at any time produce a > small jpg for a slide show or sell a giant print from a tiff. ...and nobody is trying to take that away from you. It just isn't a consideration for some people; selling giant prin

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Pascal Obry
Le 03/12/2013 04:12, David Vincent-Jones a écrit : > A raw file keeps all of our options open: We can at any time produce a > small jpg for a slide show or sell a giant print from a tiff. Raw files > are not massive in size and compare in storage with a full sized 100% jpg. +1 and you have the o

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread David Vincent-Jones
A raw file keeps all of our options open: We can at any time produce a small jpg for a slide show or sell a giant print from a tiff. Raw files are not massive in size and compare in storage with a full sized 100% jpg. David On 13-12-02 02:03 PM, junkyardspar...@yepmail.net wrote: > This very clo

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread David Vincent-Jones
One of the strengths of darktable is the ability to apply a style over a large number of images that have commonality, this allows at least 'base processing' to be done extreemly efficiently even over hundreds of images being imported from a days work; whereas digikam works (pedantically) on ea

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Elle Stone
On 12/02/2013 04:57 PM, Simon Spannagel wrote: > I actually thought darktable would write into the same XMP file using > its own name space. Therefore the two sets of information shouldn't > interfere beside the things like rating that are stored in the common > namespace. I read through one of t

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Tobias Ellinghaus
Am Montag, 2. Dezember 2013, 22:57:51 schrieb Simon Spannagel: > I actually thought darktable would write into the same XMP file using its > own name space. Therefore the two sets of information shouldn't interfere > beside the things like rating that are stored in the common namespace. Basically

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread junkyardsparkle
This very closely mirrors my feelings/use case. In fact, I'm increasingly not even keeping most of my RAW files if I still like the "developed" JPEG a week later. Before you become horrified, just consider that different people have different reasons for taking pictures, and don't have to be "se

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Simon Spannagel
I actually thought darktable would write into the same XMP file using its own name space. Therefore the two sets of information shouldn't interfere beside the things like rating that are stored in the common namespace. Correct me when I'm wrong - i haven't used another tool producing XMPs for y

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
If you are using a file system based DAM you can also ignore darktable DAM in the sense that you only will need to access the files by importing the folders and then select them in the collect modules. But that does nothing to do with XMP files, they store in them tags and ratings, but they also st

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Christian Kanzian
Am Montag, 2. Dezember 2013 schrieb Pascal Obry: > Le 02/12/2013 22:17, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo a écrit : > > If you all are trying to shoot yourself on the foot and eventually loose > > all your processing to you different images is OK what you are > > proposing. Elsewhere you shoukd keep what dar

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Chris Siebenmann
| Le 02/12/2013 22:17, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo a €crit : | > If you all are trying to shoot yourself on the foot and eventually | > loose all your processing to you different images is OK what you are | > proposing. Elsewhere you shoukd keep what darktable is proposing. | | I fully agree, I reall

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Pascal Obry
Le 02/12/2013 22:17, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo a écrit : > If you all are trying to shoot yourself on the foot and eventually loose > all your processing to you different images is OK what you are > proposing. Elsewhere you shoukd keep what darktable is proposing. I fully agree, I really find it str

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
If you all are trying to shoot yourself on the foot and eventually loose all your processing to you different images is OK what you are proposing. Elsewhere you shoukd keep what darktable is proposing. BTW, to make it even more clear. Darktable stores both the Dam information an all the processing

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread junkyardsparkle
On 2013-12-02 ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com wrote: > The information that darktable stores in its xmp file does look very > useful. If there were an option to tell darktable to put all its XMP > files in one directory, completely separated from my archive folder > where my originals are stored,

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Chris Siebenmann
| The information that darktable stores in its xmp file does look very | useful. If there were an option to tell darktable to put all its XMP | files in one directory, completely separated from my archive folder | where my originals are stored, that would be great! Have I overlooked | such an optio

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Elle Stone
On 12/02/2013 01:27 PM, David Vincent-Jones wrote: > Not writing sidecar files would probably negate much of darktables > capability since there would be no history of processing. Darktable > would then be another 'dumb' processor in the same manner as Digikam. > Oil and water simply do not mix wel

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* David Vincent-Jones [12-02-13 13:28]: > > On 13-12-02 09:55 AM, Robert William Hutton wrote: > > On 02/12/13 17:52, Robert William Hutton wrote: > >> On 02/12/13 17:52, Elle Stone wrote: > >>> Is there any way to disable the writing of darktable's XMP files? I > >>> don't want them written to m

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Elle Stone
On 12/02/2013 12:55 PM, Robert William Hutton wrote: > On 02/12/13 17:52, Robert William Hutton wrote: >> On 02/12/13 17:52, Elle Stone wrote: >>> Is there any way to disable the writing of darktable's XMP files? I >>> don't want them written to my archive folder as I use digikam and >>> exiftool

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread David Vincent-Jones
On 13-12-02 09:55 AM, Robert William Hutton wrote: > On 02/12/13 17:52, Robert William Hutton wrote: >> On 02/12/13 17:52, Elle Stone wrote: >>> Is there any way to disable the writing of darktable's XMP files? I >>> don't want them written to my archive folder as I use digikam and >>> exiftool to

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Togan Muftuoglu
> "Elle" == Elle Stone writes: Elle> Is there any way to disable the writing of darktable's XMP files? I Elle> don't want them written to my archive folder as I use digikam and Elle> exiftool to take care of tagging, rating, etc. Elle> I really don't want to use darktable's D

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Robert William Hutton
On 02/12/13 17:52, Robert William Hutton wrote: > On 02/12/13 17:52, Elle Stone wrote: >> Is there any way to disable the writing of darktable's XMP files? I >> don't want them written to my archive folder as I use digikam and >> exiftool to take care of tagging, rating, etc. > > I've not tried

Re: [Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Robert William Hutton
On 02/12/13 17:52, Elle Stone wrote: > Is there any way to disable the writing of darktable's XMP files? I > don't want them written to my archive folder as I use digikam and > exiftool to take care of tagging, rating, etc. I've not tried it, but maybe setting write_sidecar_files=FALSE in ~/.co

[Darktable-users] How to keep darktable from writing XMP files

2013-12-02 Thread Elle Stone
Is there any way to disable the writing of darktable's XMP files? I don't want them written to my archive folder as I use digikam and exiftool to take care of tagging, rating, etc. I really don't want to use darktable's DAM functionality. I don't want darktable to ever write xmp files and espec