Re: Passwd: encrypted pw entry

1997-08-23 Thread Carey Evans
Matthew Tebbens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How can I disable an /etc/passwd entry. Isn't there something I can place in the encrypted-pw section of /etc/passwd to disable the account ? Type `passwd -l username' to do it automatically. Make sure there are no other ways in like ~/.rhosts. --

Re: Installing Linux

1997-08-23 Thread Carl Fink
I know that LILO exists, but all of the messages I've read so far seem to imply that I will have to format my drive. I really, really don't want to do this. Any other solutions short of buying Partition Magic? I have a 2.1 gig C: and a 1.1 gig D:. Win95 resides on C:. Yes. You can format

Re: about bo-updates ...

1997-08-23 Thread john
Carlo U Segre writes: One thing that strikes me about the change in the organization of the stable tree is that I have seen no simple instructions on how to make use of the updates in the bo-updates driectory since they are not linked to a version of the stable tree. manoj writes: Do you see

ppp-script problem,

1997-08-23 Thread lc29b50
my isp provider is my college, the dial-in pool does not automatically run ppp after connection. Local address is assigned dynamically. I log in (Username: Password are the login prompts), and type ppp on a prompt (prompt is your destination ) to run ppp. So far, my ppp script is not working.

Re: Linux kernel 2.0.31????

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Wreski
I agree with jon here. A few weeks ago i tried to compile and run a pre-release of 2.0.31 and had all kinds of problems. I went back to 2.0.30 and everything has been peachy so far. There were two different threads of development for 2.0.31. For a few months David Miller was doing the

Re: Linux kernel 2.0.31????

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Wreski
Every Linux production server I work on is 2.0.29. Not one single 2.0.30 in the bunch... what's wrong with 2.0.30? am i missing something? I've accidentally deleted the message that talked about ip_masq being fixed in 2.0.30. I think it is fixed by applying a patch to 2.0.30, not

Re: simple questions

1997-08-23 Thread stick
Howdy! Let's tackle the LILO question first. After we get your system booting the way you want, then we can deal with X. I didn't get a satisfactory answer before, so I will try again. I know about LILO, it is on my boot diskette. How do I get it into the partition so my System Commander

Re: Expelling David Cinege from the list

1997-08-23 Thread Britton
There was no good reason for a corp to be formed. I kept quite. There was no good reason to put out an 'Official' cd (which hurt a lot of our CD-R guys), and I kept quite. Now for the most pethtic reason, the entire version control ^ ^^^ system (and

Re: Linux kernel 2.0.31????

1997-08-23 Thread Pete Harlan
When is 31 going to be finished? There are already pre-31 patches ... with it, the BEST thing you can do at this point is install 2.0.29 and ... Out of curiosity what's so evil about 2.0.30? It is the first kernel I've tried since 0.99pl8 that I couldn't keep running. We had immediate

debian-user needs a charter!

1997-08-23 Thread Jim Pick
I just came back from a week's work, and I've discovered that the nature of debian-user has changed dramatically. That's unfortunate, since it was previously an excellent forum for solving user problems. The signal-to-noise ratio was superb. Now it has been hijacked for use as a batteground

Re: FTP server problems (I think)

1997-08-23 Thread Zim9781
No I wasn't running wu-ftp, but I just installed it and it works fine. Thanks anyway. In a message dated 97-08-22 10:00:17 EDT, you write: You are using wu-ftp? The trouble is that the ls command in /home/ftp/bin is not statically linked, but depends on a library which should be in

Please help...

1997-08-23 Thread Zim9781
Hi, I've just downloaded vubbs for Linux. I've extracted the installation files to /vubbs as root. But my problem is when I try to run package (The installation program) as root, bash says the file package does not exist. I've tried running package as another user and it executes fine, but says

Re[2]: Expelling David Cinege from the list

1997-08-23 Thread David_Neuer
I agree with you, Britton. As I said in my follow up post, if you caught it: I was being sarcastic to make a point (which apparently was very poorly done, as it seems that it was pretty generally missed). I simply think that the things that he is complaining about are really of no consequence at

Unable to load interpreter

1997-08-23 Thread Martin Schulze
Hi! I've just encountered a strange seg fault of *all* programs on that system. On the console I sa these messages: mmap() of /dev/zero failed And for every program which was started I get a line Unable to load interpreter Does ne1 of you know what's happened? Regards, Joey --

Re: simple questions

1997-08-23 Thread Jim Pick
I didn't get a satisfactory answer before, so I will try again. Probably due to the fact that some inconsiderate individuals are using debian-user as a batteground for a flamewar. :-( I know about LILO, it is on my boot diskette. How do I get it into the partition so my System Commander

Re: Anybody in for helping a new debian user with aic7xxx ?

1997-08-23 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Dieter Rohlfing wrote: Tim Sailer wrote: Do you have an early 2940 in the machine? I had this same problem, and had to get a BIOS upgrade from Adaptek. It's revision B with BIOS 1.21 The 2940 and it's chipset are considered beta, at best. I have a production

Release naming ...

1997-08-23 Thread Richard G. Roberto
A while ago I posted my feelings on this to Debian private, but it was _very_ ill received at the time. I'll restate it now. Commercial products do not rename their OS every time there's a bug fix! I suggested adopting a more commercial approach to release naming for the reasons it is now being

Re: DUNC

1997-08-23 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, PATRICK DAHIROC wrote: Hi I recently asked for help concerning PPP dial up and you suggested that I use DUNC for this. I already have unpacked the source code in my system but when I ran make the only it did was move the source code to /usr/bin; the code itself was

Re: X installation calamity solved. Thank you!

1997-08-23 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Charles Blair wrote: Thanks to Joost Kooi for suggesting I could bypass my mis-installed X installation by typing ``linux single'' at the LILO prompt. This allowed me to delete some stuff and salvage my system. 'single' still has many daemon processes running - you can

Re: debian-user needs a charter!

1997-08-23 Thread Mike Orr
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Jim Pick wrote: I just came back from a week's work, and I've discovered that the nature of debian-user has changed dramatically. That's unfortunate, since ... Now it has been hijacked for use as a batteground for a flame-war. Bruce, could you please write up

Re: Anybody in for helping a new debian user with aic7xxx ?

1997-08-23 Thread Damir J. Naden
Hi Dieter Rohlfing; unless Mutt is confused,on Aug 22, you wrote : Hi Mark, thanks a lot for your reply. The 2 PCs are SCSI-only systems, HDs and CDROM are SCSI-2. Here are the main hardware components: - Mobo Shuttle HOT-419 (VLB with Opti chipset), AMD486/133, 32 MB RAM - Adaptec

Re: Expelling David Cinege from the list

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:19:59 -0800 (AKDT), Britton wrote: to *purchase* software. Do you *really* want an operating system developed by people like *this* to control your mission-critical computing needs, Mr. Computer User? My guess is Englesh (heh) is this guys second language. I had been

Re: Prompt in Bash

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:32:35 -0300 (EST), Daniel Doro Ferrante wrote: Hi All ! Does anybody know how do I change colors in a bash prompt. I can do it in tcsh, but no succes with bash... (even after reading the man). #b/w prompt #PS1=\\h\\$ \\u [\\w] #Pretty color prompt.

Re: Release naming ...

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:42:21 -0400 (EDT), Richard G. Roberto wrote: A while ago I posted my feelings on this to Debian private, but it was _very_ ill received at the time. I'll restate it now. Commercial products do not rename their OS every time there's a bug fix! Then it's settled! Debian

modem hangs after ppp??

1997-08-23 Thread lc29b50
I got my ppp script to connect to my isp, but some how after it runs ppp, the modem hangs up. How do I fix this problem?? I want to maintain ppp connection for more than a second.. Below are my script files, and the /dev/adm/syslog of pppd: dialup script - #!/bin/sh

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:15:52 -0500, Paul Serice wrote: Suppose, Bruce is going to drive tomorrow to Santa Cruz (from Berkeley) to participate in a meeting for Debian, and on the way he causes an accident. Before incorporation, no one knew how far the liability tail extended. (For example, the

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Michael Hill
On Aug 21, 10:04pm, David Puryear wrote: Since this is going around in a circle, please lets all drop it. Has anyone else noticed a lot of noise on this list lately from people with technical questions? Would it be too much to ask for them to move to their own list? -- Michael Hill Toronto,

New Login

1997-08-23 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
Hi, Does anyone know how to make the login program in bo disable echo sooner? The login program from rex was quite a bit faster. Ie when I type in my user/pass pair I usually do it all at once, during the first boot various daemons are still swapping around so by the time it's got around to

Re: killing a process

1997-08-23 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 22 Aug 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Ricardo == Ricardo Muggli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ricardo This may be off the debian-specific topic but.. I have a Ricardo mirror process that has been going for a long time. I would Ricardo like to kill it but it seems to be really stubborn.

leadership and dissent

1997-08-23 Thread Bruce Perens
They prefered to have an elected executive From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clint Adams) As did I. However, I think it's slightly stretching the point to claim that we, the developers decided something which was an executive decision following a developer discussion with no clear consensus. It's my

Re: killing a process

1997-08-23 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Oliver Elphick wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], writes: According to Maurice J. Bach in Design of the Unix Operating System: `The kernel checks for receipt of a signal when a process is about to return from kernel mode to user mode and when it enters or leaves the

My final words on Debian Inc.

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:21:26 -0500, Paul Serice wrote: Yes you have. I'm saying the work done be the people outside the US is now asscoiated with a US entity. It's not 'theirs' anymore, while it is in the US. O.k., I think I see where you're coming from. That's just not the way it works!

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Bruce Perens
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It may not. An employee is working under the supervision of the corporation: he's just following orders. The corporation is presumed to be checking his work, so if his screwups get out it is held liable. Can you argue that the maintainers are acting under your control

Re: Debian only like larger businesses

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:15:00 +0200, Joost Kooij wrote: I find it very hard to believe that Bruce is acting on himself. I firmly believe that his decisions are based upon serious discussions between many No developer has yet to post that the new 'policy' of backlogging rev numbers was

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Paul Serice
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Serice writes: Suppose, Bruce is going to drive tomorrow to Santa Cruz (from Berkeley) to participate in a meeting for Debian, and on the way he causes an accident. Before incorporation, no one knew how far the liability tail extended. Are you an

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 97 20:48 PDT, Bruce Perens wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It may not. An employee is working under the supervision of the corporation: he's just following orders. The corporation is presumed to be checking his work, so if his screwups get out it is held liable. Can you argue

Re: Debian only like larger businesses

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:48:30 -0700 (PDT), George Bonser wrote: Sorry, Bruce, but this is baloney! I have private email from you on both occasions when the archive changed without a release number change. The first time you said it was bad release engineering and would look into it. The second

Re: Anarchy! Yes, Anarchy!

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:34:41 +0200 (MET DST), E.L. Meijer \(Eric\) wrote: This is why there have ben how many changes to 1.3.1, and it's still called 1.3.1? That is an error you can criticize. It was not done on purpose, and therefore you cannot claim it is a severe flaw in the policy.

Re: Debian only like larger businesses

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On 22 Aug 1997 12:03:43 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, For the record: The official CD is not an independent action on part of Bruce Perenes, all the developers (which is another way of saying Debian) decided that it was a Good Thing. I am getting tired of people singling out Bruce

Re: inetd.tab/exim

1997-08-23 Thread Christoph Lameter
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: : The exim package aparently doesn't add a line in the inetd.tab to load : exim. What should I have in this file? File a bug against the smail package. It does not clean up inetd.conf on deinstallation. Exim will not overwrite an existing configured

Re: Exim-error: What does this mean?

1997-08-23 Thread Christoph Lameter
/etc/aliases must not be group or world writable and be owned by the correct user. In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: : Can somebody help me to configure my exim please. There was no : responses after a previous request. : I have a dialup ppp-connection to an ISP. Incoming mail works

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:57:29 -0500, Paul Serice wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Serice writes: Suppose, Bruce is going to drive tomorrow to Santa Cruz (from Berkeley) to participate in a meeting for Debian, and on the way he causes an accident. Before incorporation, no one knew how

Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Bruce Perens
I sent this message to Dave Cinege and Paul Wade yesterday. From bruce Fri Aug 22 00:39:12 1997 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: you and debian-user Reply-To: Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul and Dave, When I return from the i386 ABI meeting tomorrow, I would like to

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Syrus Nemat-Nasser
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: [snip] As you can see, Dave hasn't removed his sorry excuse for dialog from debian-user. What do you suggest I do, guys? I suggest that you ask Pete Templin to remove Dave from the debian-user mailing list. Syrus. --

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Paul Serice
BTW, when's the last time you sat down and read some statues from your state? (Or all 50 as you claim?) The last time I read the long-arm statute for my state was about 3 weeks ago. Furthermore, anyone who knows anything about personal jurisdiction will tell you that all 50 states have

Re: Proxy Server and firewall?

1997-08-23 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Batista, M. wrote: Hello, What is the best software for connect my LAN to the Internet?. Current i have Socks, but i would like to know others. With linux I like to use a combination of Socks5, Squid, QMail, TIS Firewall Toolkit (FWTK), named and IP Masquerading,

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:12:48 CDT, Rick Hawkins wrote: Dave Cinege wrote, Yes you have. I'm saying the work done be the people outside the US is now asscoiated with a US entity. It's not 'theirs' anymore, while it is in the US. this is not true, in any sense of the word. The difference

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Jim Pick
I sent this message to Dave Cinege and Paul Wade yesterday. From bruce Fri Aug 22 00:39:12 1997 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: you and debian-user Reply-To: Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul and Dave, When I return from the i386 ABI meeting tomorrow, I

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 97 21:49 PDT, Bruce Perens wrote: I sent this message to Dave Cinege and Paul Wade yesterday. From bruce Fri Aug 22 00:39:12 1997 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: you and debian-user Reply-To: Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul and Dave, When I return

swearing in the news groups

1997-08-23 Thread Bruce Perens
I'm also sorry to see that this situation has driven our fearless leader to echo profanities. Time for another beer, I guess. :-) And yesterday I promised someone who said he was from from a strict Baptist neighborhood that I would refrain from swearing in the groups. Sigh. I'm not perfect,

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:32:30 +0800, Dima wrote: OK Dave, here's a fresh one for you: remember LiGNUx? Here's what made him do that: Note that FSF is the same kind of corporation, a non-profit with a 501(c)3. And? -

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On 22 Aug 1997 13:41:07 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: If you do not think that the discussion came to a conclusion (BTW, Bruce did shift from his original proposal), then the proper forum is debian-devel. I did not see your s=comments there. Nobody is squashing dissent. All we are

Re: SPI Debian incorporation

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On 22 Aug 1997 12:24:04 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Fire == Fire Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fire I have to admit that I like 1.3.1 or 1.3.2 (or even 1.3.2.1) Fire better than 1.3.r1-fruit-files_your_mom.another-minor-change. The last bit is a wee bit of FUD. Fire Mainly,

Re: swearing in the news groups

1997-08-23 Thread Jim Pick
I'm also sorry to see that this situation has driven our fearless leader to echo profanities. Time for another beer, I guess. :-) And yesterday I promised someone who said he was from from a strict Baptist neighborhood that I would refrain from swearing in the groups. Sigh. I'm not

Re: X installation calamity solved. Thank you!

1997-08-23 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Joost Kooij wrote: Yeah, this is a common problem. You should not upgrade x with dselect when running it in an xterm. Actually, I believe to have seen it once, somewhere in some documentation, but I can't remember where. Maybe I just remember it from neing mentioned on

Linus

1997-08-23 Thread Bruce Perens
I finally met Linus Torvalds today. He loves living in the U.S. because the weather is so much nicer than Finland. He is using the American pronunication of his name and of Linux when he speaks English! Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the

Re: /usr/people/robertor/mail/junk

1997-08-23 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 lc29b50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my isp provider is my college, the dial-in pool does not automatically run ppp after connection. Local address is assigned dynamically. I log in (Username: Password are the login prompts), and type ppp on a prompt (prompt is your

Re: Debian only like larger businesses

1997-08-23 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:15:00 +0200, Joost Kooij wrote: I find it very hard to believe that Bruce is acting on himself. I firmly believe that his decisions are based upon serious discussions between many No developer has yet to post that the new

Re: My final words on Debian Inc.

1997-08-23 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: Until the copyright is assigned, they get the same international protection as any other copyright holder, and the work is still theirs. As an anarchist, surely you understand that all property is a creature of the state that creates and

Re: Release naming ...

1997-08-23 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:42:21 -0400 (EDT), Richard G. Roberto wrote: A while ago I posted my feelings on this to Debian private, but it was _very_ ill received at the time. I'll restate it now. Commercial products do not rename their OS every time

Re: killing a process

1997-08-23 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On 22 Aug 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Ricardo == Ricardo Muggli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ricardo This may be off the debian-specific topic but.. I have a Ricardo mirror process that has been going for a long time. I would Ricardo

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Eloy A. Paris
I agree, violence brings more violence. I know there is no violence but I see that as a good analogy. Just do nothing. Things will calm down by itselves. E.- Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : The silent treatment. : : Issue a directive to the readers of the list to ignore them (at least when

X Windows on a PS/2

1997-08-23 Thread Zim9781
Hello, I have just installed the VGA 16 server, xbase fonts, x 75 fonts, and x base binaries. When it switches to graphics mode during setup it displays white stripes, then a big grey square taking up 2/3rds of my screen. When I press CTRL-ALT-BKSPC it exits, but the screen is a screwed up by

Re: swearing in the news groups

1997-08-23 Thread Eloy A. Paris
Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Job requirements: somebody who's got a bit of tact and actually :enjoys abuse. And has lots of time to read all messages in the list. I can not keep up with the high volume of debian-user. I just try to read what I think I can help with.

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Bruce Perens
I think maybe he'll calm down now. But if he doesn't, I will put all of his messages in one daily digest. That way, he can have his say but the list won't be so noisy. Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system.

Re: [X] why does X kill my modem?

1997-08-23 Thread tko
Hello Bob, sounds like you need to re-do those IRQ's. Here's my setup: ttyS0 = disabled ttyS1 = IRQ 4 (mouse) ttys2 = disabled ttys3 = IRQ 2 (modem) I use IRQ 3 with my NE2000 network card, so COM 1 3 aren't used 8-) Bob Billson writes: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Tim Sailer wrote: ttyS0 and

Re: Qmail user alias

1997-08-23 Thread Carey Evans
Bruno O. M. Simoes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm installing manually qmail. But I did it using Debian and got the same problem - the diference is that in Debian you don't need to compile anything. I'm reading step-by-step INSTALL and everything was fine. But in the first test - to send a mail

Re: modem hangs after ppp??

1997-08-23 Thread Carey Evans
lc29b50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I got my ppp script to connect to my isp, but some how after it runs ppp, the modem hangs up. How do I fix this problem?? I want to maintain ppp connection for more than a second.. Below are my script files, and the /dev/adm/syslog of pppd: [snip] (Do

Re: ppp-script problem,

1997-08-23 Thread Oliver Elphick
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], writes: my isp provider is my college, the dial-in pool does not automatically run ppp after connection. Local address is assigned dynamically. I log in (Username: Password are the login prompts), and type ppp on a prompt (prompt is your destination ) to

Re: Please help...

1997-08-23 Thread Oliver Elphick
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], writes: Hi, I've just downloaded vubbs for Linux. I've extracted the installation files to /vubbs as root. But my problem is when I try to run package (The installation program) as root, bash says the file package does not exist. I've tried running package

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Britton
Show me the risk of a free venture. Show me the business orginazation, before Debian Inc. was formed. Show me the money! There was none before, and that was why what you just quoted would never have applied to the Debian maintainers. They had no collective assests! Unfortunately, their

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Oliver Elphick
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], writes: I sent this message to Dave Cinege and Paul Wade yesterday. ... As you can see, Dave hasn't removed his sorry excuse for dialog from debian-user. What do you suggest I do, guys? I wouldn't like to see someone dropped from the list altogether, even

[META] Re: Proposal: User list forking.

1997-08-23 Thread Anand Kumria
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: Hello fellow Debian users. I propose that we fork the debian-user list such that there are one or two lists whose content is limited to technical questions and answers. If we had a debian-help list, we could

Re: X installation calamity solved. Thank you!

1997-08-23 Thread Joost Kooij
On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Joost Kooij wrote: I am currently working on a sort of HOWTO for dselect. It seems to be a good idea to include a separate section dedicated to possible x hassles. there's one other similar gotcha which i've run into a

Re: Release naming ...

1997-08-23 Thread Anand Kumria
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Richard G. Roberto wrote: A while ago I posted my feelings on this to Debian private, but it was _very_ ill received at the time. I'll restate it now. Commercial products do not rename their OS every time there's a bug fix! I

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Anand Kumria
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: I sent this message to Dave Cinege and Paul Wade yesterday. [snip - a personal message inexcusably sent to a mailing list instead] As you can see, Dave hasn't removed his sorry excuse for dialog from debian-user.

RE: EtherLink III

1997-08-23 Thread wb2oyc
On 04:51:01 Matthew Tebbens wrote: Is anyone running Debian using an EtherLink III 3C589C pcmcia card ? I'm looking for a module/support so I can use the card. Thanks, Matthew Matthew, Well, I use it on my old laptop but not running Debian. The laptop runs (of all Linux's :) Slakware! And

RE: debian-user needs a charter!

1997-08-23 Thread wb2oyc
On 20:25:44 Jim Pick wrote: Now it has been hijacked for use as a batteground for a flame-war. Not good. Bruce, could you please write up something simple - perhaps stating that debian-user is a user support list only, and that from now on, political discussions should go to debian-debate?

Rescue bootup and low-level maintenance (Was: X installation calamity solved. Thank you!)

1997-08-23 Thread Joost Kooij
On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: 'single' still has many daemon processes running - you can do some repair or maintainence work in single mode but you can't safely do an fsck because the disks are mounted rw. some other tasks (like moving a filesystem from one partition to

Re: leadership and dissent

1997-08-23 Thread Clint Adams
It's my job to weigh the developers arguments and make a decision when they do not generate a clear consensus on their own. Note that my original proposal was to tell the CD vendor to take a hike, and I was convinced by developer argument to make changes to accomodate the CD vendor. That

[DSELECT] Gotchas Was: X installation calamity solved. Thank you!

1997-08-23 Thread Anand Kumria
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Joost Kooij wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: you should not upgrade ssh when dselect or dpkg is running inside a ssh session. If anybody else knows of any more gotchas with dselect, I'd love to hear that.

Re: New Login

1997-08-23 Thread joost witteveen
Hi, Does anyone know how to make the login program in bo disable echo sooner? The login program from rex was quite a bit faster. Ie when I type in my user/pass pair I usually do it all at once, during the first boot various daemons are still swapping around so by the time it's got around to

Re: Linus

1997-08-23 Thread Clint Adams
pronunication of his name and of Linux when he speaks English! The 'i' like 'eye' and the 'u' like what? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Clint Adams
My first suggestion for the charter would be that profanity should not be tolerated: no matter whom it comes from. Just English profanities or those of any language? Who's going to maintain the list of forbidden words? Not only is that ridiculous, I find it offensive. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM

clocks and crontabs

1997-08-23 Thread Will Lowe
Can anyone tell me where the (crontab?) script is that resets the system clock? I had my system set for the wrong timezone, fixed it via tzconfig, did clock -s, and it's got the time fine. But every morning, it's off by 5 hours again (as if it's reset the timezone again or something). I can

Re: Release naming ...

1997-08-23 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Aug 22, 1997 at 10:46:45PM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote: On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:42:21 -0400 (EDT), Richard G. Roberto wrote: A while ago I posted my feelings on this to Debian private, but it was _very_ ill received at the time. I'll restate it now. Commercial products do not rename

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Aug 23, 1997 at 01:30:22AM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote: You do not own Debian, Bruce. It is not your determination what people Debian needs, and what projects Debian will allow. Debian is GPL, not a company headed by Jesus H Perens, though with how your actions of late have been I

Re: swearing in the news groups

1997-08-23 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Aug 22, 1997 at 10:42:50PM -0700, Jim Pick wrote: Job requirements: somebody who's got a bit of tact and actually enjoys abuse. :-) Tact has already proven ineffective with this guy. Bruce has shown plenty of patience already. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt,

Re: SPI Debian incorporation

1997-08-23 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Aug 23, 1997 at 01:41:44AM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote: I've made my objections clear. Release revisions should be fixed, and not have 10 different versions, with the same number on them. They don't. There is a revision number -- lots of free software has them in some form or another

Re: Linus

1997-08-23 Thread Rick Macdonald
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: I finally met Linus Torvalds today. He loves living in the U.S. because the weather is so much nicer than Finland. He is using the American pronunication of his name and of Linux when he speaks English! Yikes! Which pronunciation is that? The one

Help!! My Client/Server are out of sync.

1997-08-23 Thread Jimmy Lu
Back ground: === I have two PCs at home with Client/Server setup. The Server PC is updated to kernel version 2.0.29 and Debian 1.3. The directories of /home, /usr and /tmp in the Server hard disk were shared with the Client PC. The Client PC is using kernel version 2.0.27 and Debian

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread john
I wrote: I was arguing that there is no contract and therefore no duty. I don't know of any case law on that, though. Bruce writes: There is at least an implicit contract when we give them access to our internal systems to perform work for us. We could make it explicit. I meant the end

Formula for ftp access to unstable tree

1997-08-23 Thread David Morris
I had been following the stable tree for quite a while and decided I wanted to follow unstable now, but I am having trouble finding the formula to give to dselect to both get the right Packages files and to actually get the files I want. I want to know how to answer the questions for dselect

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:57:29 -0500, Paul Serice wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Serice writes: Suppose, Bruce is going to drive tomorrow to Santa Cruz (from Berkeley) to participate in a meeting for Debian, and on the way he

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Syrus Nemat-Nasser, you wrote: On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: [snip] As you can see, Dave hasn't removed his sorry excuse for dialog from debian-user. What do you suggest I do, guys? I suggest that you ask Pete Templin to remove Dave from the debian-user

Re: Help!! My Client/Server are out of sync.

1997-08-23 Thread Magossa'nyi A'rpa'd
On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Jimmy Lu wrote: Back ground: === I have two PCs at home with Client/Server setup. The Server PC is updated to kernel version 2.0.29 and Debian 1.3. The directories of /home, /usr and /tmp in the Server hard disk were shared with the Client PC. The Client PC is

Re: Expelling David Cinege from the list

1997-08-23 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Aug 22, Dave Cinege wrote: On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:19:59 -0800 (AKDT), Britton wrote: 2. Changing the version numbering is bad. He's right about this. There was no reason to do it, and it looks like a pacification move toward vendors that functions by decieving (or at least misleading)

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Rick Hawkins
john wrote, This is the part that baffles me. Do you really believe that users who won't buy 1.3.1 because 1.3.2 is out will buy 1.3 revision 1 after 1.3 revision 2 comes out? actually, yes. I know the schemes are identical, but I think that revision off to the side doesn't sound as much

Let's move to debian-policy; I'm sorry, but this doesn't belong on debian-user

1997-08-23 Thread Joost Kooij
Please continue the discussions on debian-policy Subscribe by sending a message with body subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whatever your point of view or interest, this does not belong on debian-user. Joost -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Aug 23, Oliver Elphick wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], writes: I sent this message to Dave Cinege and Paul Wade yesterday. ... As you can see, Dave hasn't removed his sorry excuse for dialog from debian-user. What do you suggest I do, guys? I wouldn't like to see

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