Re: Kvm Bridge Network Problem

2024-05-07 Thread Geert Stappers
On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 02:17:05AM +0100, Gareth Evans wrote: > On Tue 07/05/2024 at 01:51, Gareth Evans wrote: > > I did miss a step. > > > Start VM, check DHCP address assigned > > should be > > > Edit the VM NIC settings and choose your routed network

Re: Kvm Bridge Network Problem

2024-05-06 Thread Gareth Evans
On Tue 07/05/2024 at 01:51, Gareth Evans wrote: I did miss a step. > Start VM, check DHCP address assigned should be > Edit the VM NIC settings and choose your routed network connection from the > "Network Source" dropdown. Apply changes. > Start VM, check DH

Re: Kvm Bridge Network Problem

2024-05-06 Thread Gareth Evans
On host: $ ip a|grep wl 3: wlp1s0: mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000 inet 192.168.1.100/24 ... Using: virt-manager > Edit > Connection Details > Virtual Networks > Add network Mode: Routed Network: 192.168.200.0/24 Accept default DHCP range Forward

Re: Kvm Bridge Network Problem

2024-05-05 Thread Gareth Evans
On Sun 05/05/2024 at 07:53, Gareth Evans wrote: > That might suggest NAT is still operative for the VM. Ah, I hadn't seen Geert's reply, which I think is closer to the mark :) This gives a routing-based approach: https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Networking This creates an isolated netw

Re: Kvm Bridge Network Problem

2024-05-05 Thread Gareth Evans
On Sat 04/05/2024 at 21:26, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > ... > I have managed to follow the > instructions in: > > https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-add-network-bridge-with-nmcli-networkmanager-on-linux/ > > ... > I was able to use the LAN > printer and the 40

Re: Kvm Bridge Network Problem, VM accessing the host

2024-05-05 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sat, May 04, 2024 at 04:26:07PM -0400, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > I am running Bookworm on my main platform. After quite a bit of googling and > many errors and much head scratching I have managed to follow the > instructions in: > > https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-add

Kvm Bridge Network Problem

2024-05-04 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
I am running Bookworm on my main platform. After quite a bit of googling and many errors and much head scratching I have managed to follow the instructions in: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-add-network-bridge-with-nmcli-networkmanager-on-linux/ . I have currently implicated

Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-21 Thread Gareth Evans
laalaa 5.10.0-28-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.209-2 (2024-01-31) x86_64 >> GNU/Linux >> 2024-04-14 04:34:40 dpchrist@laalaa ~ >> $ dpkg-query -l xfce4 network-manager network-manager-gnome >> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold >> | >> Status=Not/Inst/Conf

Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-20 Thread David Christensen
~ $ dpkg-query -l xfce4 network-manager network-manager-gnome Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name  Version  Architecture

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-19 Thread David Christensen
On 4/19/24 00:16, Florent Rougon wrote: Another thing: did you look into ~/.xsession-errors? (Sorry if this was already mentioned and I missed it.) Please see attached copy of ~/.xsession-errors, taken immediately after system restart and login. "nm-applet" does not appear in

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-19 Thread Florent Rougon
Hi, Le 18/04/2024, David Christensen a écrit: > 2024-04-18 02:27:18 root@laalaa ~ > # df `which nm-applet` > Filesystem 1M-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/mapper/sdb3_crypt12084M 8927M 2522M 78% / Not sure this command is super-useful: % df $(which awk)

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-18 Thread David Christensen
On 4/18/24 09:46, Gareth Evans wrote: On Thu 18/04/2024 at 11:05, David Christensen wrote: Move aside the ~/.config/xfce4 directory: ... Restart -- screen with wallpaper alone. ... Hi David, Starting from Mate DE only and some old (bookworm) XFCE config files, if I: $ sudo apt install

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-18 Thread David Christensen
On 4/18/24 07:28, Max Nikulin wrote: On 18/04/2024 17:05, David Christensen wrote: $ mv .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/ .config/xfce4 Restart -- back to Xfce panel with no Network Manager. Try to create a new system user and log in. Is nm-applet present? Logging in using another previously

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-18 Thread David Christensen
On 4/18/24 05:34, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 4/18/24 05:27, David Christensen wrote: On 4/17/24 12:37, Richmond wrote: What are the permissions on the nm-applet binary? maybe it doesn't have permission to execute, or the process which starts it doesn't have permission. 2024-04-18 02:24:20

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-18 Thread Gareth Evans
On Thu 18/04/2024 at 11:05, David Christensen wrote: > Move aside the ~/.config/xfce4 directory: > ... > Restart -- screen with wallpaper alone. > ... Hi David, Starting from Mate DE only and some old (bookworm) XFCE config files, if I: $ sudo apt install task-xfce-desktop then log out and

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-18 Thread Max Nikulin
On 18/04/2024 17:05, David Christensen wrote: $ mv .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/ .config/xfce4 Restart -- back to Xfce panel with no Network Manager. Try to create a new system user and log in. Is nm-applet present?

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-18 Thread eben
On 4/18/24 05:27, David Christensen wrote: On 4/17/24 12:37, Richmond wrote: David Christensen writes: What are the permissions on the nm-applet binary? maybe it doesn't have permission to execute, or the process which starts it doesn't have permission. 2024-04-18 02:24:20 root@laalaa ~

Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-18 Thread David Christensen
On 4/17/24 12:07, Charles Curley wrote: On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:41:24 -0700 David Christensen wrote: My WAG is that nm-applet is failing to start, but I have been unable to find if and where any error message is reported. My instance of nm-applet does run, and I see this as part of the boot

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-18 Thread David Christensen
, Gareth Evans wrote: On Sun 14/04/2024 at 13:29, David Christensen wrote: ... I have used the Xfce panel Network Manager applet for many years. Tonight, I noticed that it has disappeared (!). ... There is apparently a long history of nm-applet/XFCE panel-related issues (and not many great

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-18 Thread David Christensen
On 4/17/24 13:56, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 4/17/24 15:37, Richmond wrote: David Christensen writes: My WAG is that nm-applet is failing to start, but I have been unable to find if and where any error message is reported. What are the permissions on the nm-applet binary? And is its filesystem

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-18 Thread David Christensen
On 4/17/24 12:37, Richmond wrote: David Christensen writes: On Sun 14/04/2024 at 13:29, David Christensen wrote: ... I have used the Xfce panel Network Manager applet for many years. Tonight, I noticed that it has disappeared (!). ... What are the permissions on the nm-applet binary? maybe

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-17 Thread Gareth Evans
On Wed 17/04/2024 at 19:41, David Christensen wrote: > Forwarded Message > Subject: Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:38:49 -0700 > From: David Christensen > To: Gareth Evans > > On 4/17/24 03:4

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-17 Thread eben
On 4/17/24 15:37, Richmond wrote:> David Christensen writes: > >> My WAG is that nm-applet is failing to start, but I have been unable to >> find if and where any error message is reported. > > What are the permissions on the nm-applet binary? And is its filesystem mounted with noexec? > maybe

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-17 Thread Richmond
David Christensen writes: > Forwarded Message > Subject: Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:38:49 -0700 > From: David Christensen > To: Gareth Evans > > On 4/17/24 03:47, Gareth Evans wrote: >&

Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-17 Thread Charles Curley
On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:41:24 -0700 David Christensen wrote: > My WAG is that nm-applet is failing to start, but I have been unable > to find if and where any error message is reported. My instance of nm-applet does run, and I see this as part of the boot process: root@hawk:~# journalctl -b |

Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-17 Thread David Christensen
Forwarded Message Subject: Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 01:18:34 -0700 From: David Christensen To: Gareth Evans On 4/16/24 08:56, Gareth Evans wrote: On 16 Apr 2024, at 00:18, David Christensen wrote: On 4/15/24 09

Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-17 Thread David Christensen
Forwarded Message Subject: Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:38:49 -0700 From: David Christensen To: Gareth Evans On 4/17/24 03:47, Gareth Evans wrote: On Wed 17/04/2024 at 09:18, David Christensen wrote: On 4/16/24

Re: e1000e driver Network Card Detected Hardware Unit Hang

2024-04-16 Thread Sirius
In days of yore (Tue, 16 Apr 2024), Jamie thus quoth: > Look this is a kernel bug and Debian needs to > fix this! Don't give me any of this crap about upstream > this is a bug with the Debian Kernel! Pay attention, because I am now in Support Mode as a former Principal Technical Account Manager

Re: e1000e driver Network Card Detected Hardware Unit Hang

2024-04-16 Thread tomas
On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 09:05:29AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > It has been known to happen that drivers implement workarounds for issues > > in the hardware itself, so that hardware bugs do not get tripped (or are > > tripped less often). > >  > > You make it sound like it's a rare

Re: e1000e driver Network Card Detected Hardware Unit Hang

2024-04-16 Thread Stefan Monnier
> It has been known to happen that drivers implement workarounds for issues > in the hardware itself, so that hardware bugs do not get tripped (or are > tripped less often).  You make it sound like it's a rare occurrence, but it's actually quite common. Most of it is discrete so you'll rarely

Re: e1000e driver Network Card Detected Hardware Unit Hang

2024-04-15 Thread Sirius
In days of yore (Tue, 16 Apr 2024), Sirius thus quoth: > In days of yore (Mon, 15 Apr 2024), Jamie thus quoth: > > So  there is a very nasty bug in the e1000e network card > > driver. Doing some reading turned up a Proxmox thread about the issues with these Int

Re: e1000e driver Network Card Detected Hardware Unit Hang

2024-04-15 Thread Sirius
In days of yore (Mon, 15 Apr 2024), Jamie thus quoth: > So  there is a very nasty bug in the e1000e network card > driver. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/05480/ethernet-products.html notes that MSI interrupts may be problematic on some systems. Worth d

e1000e driver Network Card Detected Hardware Unit Hang

2024-04-15 Thread Jamie
So  there is a very nasty bug in the e1000e network card driver. I am running Debian 12 Bookworm. You will get the message "Detected Hardware Unit Hang" and then the network card just stops working. This is a built in NIC  on the computer The computer is a is a HP Prodesk

Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-15 Thread David Christensen
On 4/15/24 09:21, Gareth Evans wrote: On Sun 14/04/2024 at 13:29, David Christensen wrote: ... I have used the Xfce panel Network Manager applet for many years. Tonight, I noticed that it has disappeared (!). ... Hi David, I can't speak for XFCE, but certainly for Mate there was a time when

Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-15 Thread Gareth Evans
GNU/Linux > > 2024-04-14 04:34:40 dpchrist@laalaa ~ > $ dpkg-query -l xfce4 network-manager network-manager-gnome > Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold > | > Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend > |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst

Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

2024-04-14 Thread David Christensen
debian-user: I have a Dell Latitude E6520: 2024-04-14 04:28:39 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a 11.9 Linux laalaa 5.10.0-28-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.209-2 (2024-01-31) x86_64 GNU/Linux 2024-04-14 04:34:40 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ dpkg-query -l xfce4 network-manager network

[SOLVED Re: network-priority?

2024-04-05 Thread Hans
Hi all, thank you for the fast response. Your answers did help much and made everything clear. Have a nice weekend! Best Hans

Re: network-priority?

2024-04-04 Thread Max Nikulin
On 05/04/2024 04:29, David Wright wrote: autoconnect-priorityint32 0 [...] from https://developer-old.gnome.org/NetworkManager/stable/settings-connection.html (I don't know the significance of -old.) It is documented in nm-settings-nmcli(5)

Re: network-priority?

2024-04-04 Thread David Wright
On Thu 04 Apr 2024 at 19:11:31 (+0200), Hans wrote: > again an easy thing, I did not understand and where I did not find a clear > answer in the web. > > Question: > > In network-manager I find "network-priority" set to "0". > > Is zero the highes

network-priority?

2024-04-04 Thread Hans
Hi folks, again an easy thing, I did not understand and where I did not find a clear answer in the web. Question: In network-manager I find "network-priority" set to "0". Is zero the highes priority or the lowest? Lets imagine, i have 3 wifi (wifi-1, wifi-2 and w

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

2024-03-27 Thread Steffen Dettmer
Thank you for your mail. On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 12:42 AM Andy Smith wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 06:33:42PM +0100, Steffen Dettmer wrote: > > I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by > > changing gateway. However, at reboot some old gateway IP

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

2024-03-26 Thread Steffen Dettmer
Thank you for your quick reply. On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 12:22 AM Henning Follmann wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 06:33:42PM +0100, Steffen Dettmer wrote: > > I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by > > changing gateway. However, at reboot some

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

2024-03-26 Thread Steffen Dettmer
systemctl disable connman Thank you for your help! Yes, good idea! (I don't have it, but a good point. Related, I read often in internet of similar possible issues with some network manager versions) I couldn't see the cause in the whole file system, and as Thankfully Pierre-Elliott Bécue correct

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

2024-03-26 Thread Steffen Dettmer
Thank your for your quick and detailed reply. On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 7:01 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 06:33:42PM +0100, Steffen Dettmer wrote: > > I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by > > changing gateway. However, at

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

2024-03-26 Thread Steffen Dettmer
On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 7:18 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > As it's a PVE kernel I guess you rely on Proxmox. > *Theoretically*, Proxmox VE uses /etc/network/interfaces.new to apply THIS! (OMG why didn't I see this! Thank you!!) ohh thanks so much for your quick reply, my "mach

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

2024-03-26 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 06:33:42PM +0100, Steffen Dettmer wrote: > I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by > changing gateway. However, at reboot some old gateway IP reappears. I > really hate when some magic knows better than an explicitly set valu

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

2024-03-26 Thread Henning Follmann
On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 06:33:42PM +0100, Steffen Dettmer wrote: > Hi, > > I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by > changing gateway. However, at reboot some old gateway IP reappears. I > really hate when some magic knows better than an explicitly se

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

2024-03-26 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
As it's a PVE kernel I guess you rely on Proxmox. *Theoretically*, Proxmox VE uses /etc/network/interfaces.new to apply its config and potential manual changes made by an administrator (changes that should be applied afterwards via ifreload). I'd wonder whether this mechanism is not the cause

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

2024-03-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 06:33:42PM +0100, Steffen Dettmer wrote: > I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by > changing gateway. However, at reboot some old gateway IP reappears. So then the question is *which* of the many different subsystems is in use

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

2024-03-26 Thread Dustin Jenkins
ote: > > Hi, > > I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by > changing gateway. However, at reboot some old gateway IP reappears. I > really hate when some magic knows better than an explicitly set value. > What happens here? How can I get rid of this?

debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

2024-03-26 Thread Steffen Dettmer
Hi, I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by changing gateway. However, at reboot some old gateway IP reappears. I really hate when some magic knows better than an explicitly set value. What happens here? How can I get rid of this? It is 100% reproducible. I have

End this thread now, please. [WAS Re: Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-03-16 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
People, Please end the thread at this point. Thank you. As Andy Smith points out, I asked politely for this thread to cease a while ago because it would degenerate to more heat than light. I was wrong - it degenerated to futility. Please remember the FAQ: remember the Code of Conduct and the

Re: Please terminate this faecal matter - the whole thread appears to be a troll.....Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-03-15 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 2:59 PM Bret Busby wrote: > > On 16/3/24 02:27, Van Snyder wrote: > > On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote: > >> Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until > >> your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-03-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 10:52:17PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > I think the discussion might usefully stop at this point before it > degenerates to more heat than light (as is the way of most discussions > eventually - call it an application of mailing list entropy :) ) Three weeks on

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-03-15 Thread Emanuel Berg
Will Mengarini wrote: >> With no intention of ever creating a 100% offensive-free >> language, removing the worst offenders from the scene often >> is enough. > > Words I find offensive include "authority" and "manager", so > checking `apropos authori manager` I see we have a lot of > important

Please terminate this faecal matter - the whole thread appears to be a troll.....Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-03-15 Thread Bret Busby
On 16/3/24 02:27, Van Snyder wrote: On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote: Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *THIS*?! At the rate that sea plants and creatures are removing

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-03-15 Thread Van Snyder
On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote: > Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until > your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *THIS*?! At the rate that sea plants and creatures are removing CO2 from the atmosphere to combine it

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-03-15 Thread Will Mengarini
* Mariusz Gronczewski [24-02/23=Fr 10:33 +0100]: >>> It's entirely US political feel-good activism that >>> doesn't change anything but wastes people's time. Do >>> you actually think pressing on brake pedal oppresses >>> anybody? Because it also has master and slave cylinders. >>> >>> All it

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-03-15 Thread Emanuel Berg
Mike Castle wrote: > Was that explicitly stated anywhere? Or is the lack of any > type of explicit "I'm willing to help drive this" statements > leading to that conclusion? Relax, everyone does something somewhere. But it would be a boring world if they were only allowed to talk about that. --

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-03-15 Thread Emanuel Berg
Alain D D Williams wrote: > That is the big difference. Not use words *currently* deemed > offensive in *new* publications (books, newspaper articles, > ...) - this is not hard to do. Indeed, and that is what you should focus on. The past is the past anyway. > What we are faced with is

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-03-15 Thread tomas
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 09:01:30AM -0700, Mike Castle wrote: > On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 1:49 AM Alain D D Williams wrote: > > We seem to be told that this must be done by those who will not be doing the > > work. > > Was that explicitly stated anywhere? Or is the lack of any type of > explicit

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-03-15 Thread Mike Castle
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 1:49 AM Alain D D Williams wrote: > We seem to be told that this must be done by those who will not be doing the > work. Was that explicitly stated anywhere? Or is the lack of any type of explicit "I'm willing to help drive this" statements leading to that conclusion?

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-03-15 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 01:42:25AM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Mike Castle wrote: > > >> It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers. > >> Should we scour our systems looking for similar issues in > >> other languages? Then in, say, 20 years time when different > >> words will then be

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-03-14 Thread Emanuel Berg
Mike Castle wrote: >> It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers. >> Should we scour our systems looking for similar issues in >> other languages? Then in, say, 20 years time when different >> words will then be considered offensive, by some, do this >> all again? > > Yes. Remember,

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-03-14 Thread Mike Castle
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 2:07 AM Alain D D Williams wrote: > It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers. Should we scour our > systems looking for similar issues in other languages ? Then in, say, 20 years > time when different words will then be considered offensive, by some, do this >

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-03-14 Thread Emanuel Berg
Alain D D Williams wrote: > However that is not the way that the world works, or prolly > more accurately how some people think. They see > a word/phrase that they have decided that they "own" or > somehow relates to them [...] I am not black so I have no idea how black people consider

Docker Bridge network hangs all network

2024-03-08 Thread Dustin Jenkins
I'm running Debian 12.5 on a Dell Optiplex 990 with UEFI and a fast NVMe drive with 16Gb RAM. I've installed the latest Docker version 25. I have the exact same installation on a basic SATA spinning disk on the same machine as well. By default, Docker uses the Bridge network when running

Cease and desist, please [WAS Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP]

2024-02-25 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
[Also copied to commun...@debian.org] t's time to kill this thread - nothing useful is being said at this point. At its best, this list is useful for helping people and for providing information. It's also a window on the world of Debian and how Debian contributors, regulars on the list (and

Re: Postel's Law (Was Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP)

2024-02-25 Thread Mariusz Gronczewski
Dnia 2024-02-25, o godz. 11:22:50 Alain D D Williams napisał(a): > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 07:44:44PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:37 PM Andy Smith > > wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > Turning back more to protocol design, we have spent decades > > > walking back

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-25 Thread Mariusz Gronczewski
Dnia 2024-02-25, o godz. 07:29:32 napisał(a): > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 06:05:26PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > May I interject a different perspective? > > what brings greater freedom, asking that words be changed by many, > > that some see, no matter how justified from their view as

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-25 Thread Mariusz Gronczewski
Dnia 2024-02-25, o godz. 00:27:41 Marco Moock napisał(a): > Am Sat, 24 Feb 2024 14:42:39 +0100 > schrieb Emanuel Berg : > > > I think the reason is black people shouldn't be associated > > with everything negative that is black in language. > > I can't understand why people draw that

Re: Postel's Law (Was Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP)

2024-02-25 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 07:44:44PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:37 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > > > [...] > > Turning back more to protocol design, we have spent decades walking > > back Postel's Law as we find more and more ways that being liberal > > in what our software

Re: Postel's Law (Was Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP)

2024-02-25 Thread Mariusz Gronczewski
Dnia 2024-02-24, o godz. 19:44:44 Jeffrey Walton napisał(a): > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:37 PM Andy Smith > wrote: > > > > [...] > > Turning back more to protocol design, we have spent decades walking > > back Postel's Law as we find more and more ways that being liberal > > in what our

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-25 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 10:22:09AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > > I think I'm out of it. *Plonk* > -- > t For keeping that promise would it be better to use "Reply-To-List". And in other cases is it also better to use "Reply-To-List". Groeten Geert Stappers P.S. The better

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-25 Thread tomas
On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 06:30:35PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 2/25/24, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:14:44AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > > [...] > > > >> The "problem" is asking the majority (10s of thousands of people) to > >> make efforts to help 1 or 2

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 2/25/24, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 06:05:26PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> May I interject a different perspective? >> what brings greater freedom, asking that words be changed by many, that >> some >> see, no matter how justified from their view as harmful? Or

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 2/25/24, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:14:44AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > [...] > >> The "problem" is asking the majority (10s of thousands of people) to >> make efforts to help 1 or 2 heal in their journey's of pain and >> healing. > > To make sure the "majority"

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread tomas
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 06:05:26PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: > May I interject a different perspective? > what brings greater freedom, asking that words be changed by many, that some > see, no matter how justified from their view as harmful? Or teaching those > people how to free themselves

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread tomas
On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:14:44AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: [...] > The "problem" is asking the majority (10s of thousands of people) to > make efforts to help 1 or 2 heal in their journey's of pain and > healing. To make sure the "majority" stays majority for all so ever: white, male,

Re: Q: Gnome network odd

2024-02-24 Thread Byunghee HWANG
line ; echo $? > Connecting... 30s [online] > 0 > Hellow Max! Actuallu i have a weak technical background. So i don't know well your professional analyze. Just i use default values by automatic. Anyway i attach some screenshot more. As you see to me: soyeomul@thinkpad-e495:~$ l

Re: Q: Gnome network odd

2024-02-24 Thread Max Nikulin
On 05/02/2024 12:08, Byunghee HWANG (황병희) wrote: On Sun, 2024-02-04 at 13:41 -0600, David Wright wrote: So it would appear that your question is exactly as in the reference you quoted, that ifupdown was configuring wlp4s0 when /w/n/i was in place, resulting in NM displaying a question mark.

Re: Postel's Law (Was Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP)

2024-02-24 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 6:37 PM Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 04:54:12PM +, Alain D D Williams wrote: > > I sometimes think that something similar to Postel's Law but applied to > human > > interactions would be useful. However that is wishful thinking > > > I'm not

Re: Postel's Law (Was Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP)

2024-02-24 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:37 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > [...] > Turning back more to protocol design, we have spent decades walking > back Postel's Law as we find more and more ways that being liberal > in what our software accepts is untenable in the face of a hostile > Internet. ++. Postel's Law

Re: debian installer network console

2024-02-24 Thread Matt Zagrabelny
Hi Andy! On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 5:58 PM Andy Smith wrote: > HI Matt, > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 05:40:31PM -0600, Matt Zagrabelny wrote: > > Does anyone know how to switch to a different virtual console (tty) over > a > > network console on a debian install? > >

Re: debian installer network console

2024-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
HI Matt, On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 05:40:31PM -0600, Matt Zagrabelny wrote: > Does anyone know how to switch to a different virtual console (tty) over a > network console on a debian install? I haven't tested this but when doing an install over serial console, the installer runs in GNU Scr

debian installer network console

2024-02-24 Thread Matt Zagrabelny
Greetings, I use the network-console for the debian installer - it's great. There are times when I would like to use the console (tty - Ctrl + Alt + F2) to perform some ad-hoc sysadmin'ing during the install. Does anyone know how to switch to a different virtual console (tty) over a network

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 2/25/24, Marco Moock wrote: > Am Sat, 24 Feb 2024 14:42:39 +0100 > schrieb Emanuel Berg : > >> I think the reason is black people shouldn't be associated >> with everything negative that is black in language. > > I can't understand why people draw that association. > Black as a color is

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread Marco Moock
Am Sat, 24 Feb 2024 14:42:39 +0100 schrieb Emanuel Berg : > I think the reason is black people shouldn't be associated > with everything negative that is black in language. I can't understand why people draw that association. Black as a color is different from the skin and different from illegal

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread Karen Lewellen
May I interject a different perspective? what brings greater freedom, asking that words be changed by many, that some see, no matter how justified from their view as harmful? Or teaching those people how to free themselves from being controlled by those words? Yes, your goals may be honorable

I think we can't disappear ifenslave documentation just yet (Was Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP)

2024-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
ecause: - The current Ethernet bonding support in ifupdown requires ifenslave. If you don't install ifenslave, you can't set up a bond interface from /etc/network/interfaces except by avoiding the actual syntax there for that purpose and doing it with direct commands executed by *-up/down hooks.

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
[On list: copied to commun...@debian.org] Hi people, As you might have expected: this subject is drifting off-topic and becoming a little more personal. In answer to the first question: there's a reference to a wiki page. It's a wiki page: it can be edited by (almost) anyone. If anyone wants to

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:17:15AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 2/24/24, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 01:35:14PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >> I wrote: > >> > You seem by now to have ignored multiple messages where it was made > >> > clear that the work was

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 2/23/24, Arno Lehmann wrote: > On 23.02.24 at 10:33, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote: >> On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote: >>> Hello! >>> >>> I know this is a loaded topic... > ... >> There is no good reason *why*. It's entirely US political feel-good >> activism > > Statement one above

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 2/24/24, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 01:35:14PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> I wrote: >> > You seem by now to have ignored multiple messages where it was made >> > clear that the work was already done. >> >> Assuming we care about the most rapid healing possible for

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 2/25/24, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 04:54:12PM +, Alain D D Williams wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 09:03:45AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: >> >> > > It was a BLM thing, not sure if it matters the etymology of such >> > > words. >> > >> > The etymology certainly

Postel's Law (Was Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP)

2024-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 04:54:12PM +, Alain D D Williams wrote: > I sometimes think that something similar to Postel's Law but applied to human > interactions would be useful. However that is wishful thinking The basic assumption that people mean well is how con artists and high pressure

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread Mariusz Gronczewski
Dnia 2024-02-24, o godz. 14:42:39 Emanuel Berg napisał(a): > jeremy ardley wrote: > > >> But what about the black market? Or does in fact "block > >> market" work just fine? > > > > The term "black market" is from World War II - i.e. 1939-45. > > It has nothing to do with slaves. It means

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread tomas
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 04:54:12PM +, Alain D D Williams wrote: > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 09:03:45AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > > > > It was a BLM thing, not sure if it matters the etymology of such > > > words. > > > > The etymology certainly *should* matter, insofar as that is the origin

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 09:03:45AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > > It was a BLM thing, not sure if it matters the etymology of such > > words. > > The etymology certainly *should* matter, insofar as that is the origin > of the *meaning* of the word(s). +1 However that is not the way that the

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-02-24 at 08:42, Emanuel Berg wrote: > jeremy ardley wrote: > >>> But what about the black market? Or does in fact "block market" >>> work just fine? >> >> The term "black market" is from World War II - i.e. 1939-45. It has >> nothing to do with slaves. It means transactions in the dark,

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