Re: [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names])

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 14 iul 21, 08:02:19, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On Tue Jul 13 16:50:38 2021 Michael Lange  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:25:17 +0100
> > Joe  wrote:
> >
> > (...)
> >
> >> Back when we had TV advertisements
> >> for beer, it was always the rubbish beers that got the publicity.
> >
> > here (Germany) we still have those TV ads for beer, and I can assure
> > you that the advertised brands (its not up to me to decide whether
> > they are rubbish or not) are the ones that are available virtually
> > everywhere, so I believe that it is safe to assume that they are
> > also the brands that sell.
> > So yes, unfortunately at least in some cases advertisements apparently
> > pay.
> 
> If they didn't pay, companies would have stopped sinking vast amounts
> of effort and expense into them a century ago.

You're giving (big) companies a lot of credit, possibly unwarranted:


Does Advertising Actually Work? (Part 1: TV) (Ep. 440)
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/advertising-part-1/

Does Advertising Actually Work? (Part 2: Digital) (Ep. 441)
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/advertising-part-2/

(the links contain the transcripts as well, for those who prefer 
reading)


Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: MDs & Dentists

[Reco]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 06:26:58PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Him
> 
> On 2021-07-14 3:42 p.m., ellanios82 wrote:
> > On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice
> >> software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that
> >> software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get
> >> linux versions available and make some money?
> > 
> >  - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !!
> > 
> > 
> That's the usual "geek non-sense" answer.
> 
> Can you tell me one big advantage of using Linux in a medical practice ?

Sure, I can name two such advantages.

You cannot catch a ransomware cryptolocker using Linux on a desktop,
it's definitely Windows-only kind of software. In fact, any FOSS OS has
this advantage, unless you're using Wine (software).

Also, you can ensure that your patients' data won't be uploaded to M$ or
Apple, but that can be considered a common practice these days.

Reco

Re: MDs & Dentists

[Stefan Monnier]

jeremy ardley [2021-07-15 07:03:18] wrote:
> On 15/07/2021 6:26 am, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> Also can you find me one Linux distribution that is certified as medical
>> equipment for reliability ?
> You can't be seriously suggesting Windows is certified for any risk of life
> application!?

He's talking about official certification by some government entity or
some professional association or something like that.
In many situation, such a certification is required by law or by the
insurance companies.

It doesn't really matter what that certification means technically.


Stefan

Re: why pdf file at archive.org is so slow to open

[loushanguan2015]

David, you are right again, i'm going nowhere(making no progress)
actually i've said on
Mon, 05 Jul 2021 05:04:54 +0800that slowness has nothing to do with downloadi 
open it as local file
i believe pdf format used by archive.org is cause of slownessthey are scanned 
books, and allow you to select text, it's advanced (and complicated) my viewer 
performs better when viewing  pdf files from other source 

and my cpu is slower than that used by mainstream users

Re: why pdf file at archive.org is so slow to open

[David Wright]

On Wed 14 Jul 2021 at 18:43:15 (+0800), loushanguan2...@sina.com wrote:

> [Zathura] has Continuous modebut it's slow,

I think it's slower to start than xpdf, but it doesn't grind to a halt
100 pages later.

> and it lacks gui, making it difficult to use

I can see the use for a mouse to cut and paste, or to pick a spot
for adding an annotation, but not for much else in a PDF /viewer/,
particularly when reading archived texts.

> i don't think gui components requires fast cpu

How fast will be made obvious by the speed with which the widgets
are drawn on your screen (which is presumably local, and not being
rendered by archive.org).

Leaving aside the political subthread (they seem to be infecting
several threads), this thread has listed a number of different PDF
viewers that are available in Debian. But I haven't seen any attempt
of your factoring out where your perceived slowness comes from: the
website, the viewer, or the method of delivery (downloading, or else
reading interactively across the internet).

Cheers,
David.

Re: How do I get back the GRUB menu with the blue background?

[David Wright]

On Sun 11 Jul 2021 at 11:31:09 (-0500), David Wright wrote:
> On Sat 10 Jul 2021 at 11:13:31 (+0200), Stella Ashburne wrote:

> > My LUKS-encrypted partition consists of / and swap area. I assume the / 
> > contains /home, /var, /usr, etc...
> 
> It would be nice to give you a set of Grub commands to manually
> boot your system with, so that you could fix up the Grub
> configuration.
> 
> However, two things put that beyond my capabilities: encrypted
> root, and "logical volumes".
> [ … ]

Just for the record, I installed bullseye rc2 with encrypted root
on a couple of spare partitions (/boot on a borrowed ESP, and
root over an unencrypted bullseye rc1).

> Grub needs to find the kernel and initrd, and this should work
> as they're on a simple unencypted partition:
> 
> grub> set root=(hd0,gpt2)

If this doesn't work, use single quotes.

> Now /I/ would be able to type:
> 
> grub> linux  /vmlinuz-4.19.0-17-amd64 root=LABEL=toto04 ro 
> systemd.show_status=true quiet
> grub> initrd /initrd.img-4.19.0-17-amd64
> 
> but 'root=LABEL=toto04' wouldn't work for you,

Actually, this does work, as Grub doesn't have to actually find
the root filesystem: the initrd contains its partition UUID in
cryptroot/crypttab, and when that partition is unlocked, the
LABEL becomes visible. So, assuming you know the LABEL you gave
it at this stage in the installation:


  ┌┤ [!!] Partition disks ├─┐   
  │ │   
  │ You are editing partition #1 of Encrypted volume (sda5_crypt). No   │   
  │ existing file system was detected in this partition.│   
  │ │   
  │ Partition settings: │   
  │ │   
  │Use as:   Ext4 journaling file system│   
  │ │   
  │Mount point:  /  │   
  │Mount options:defaults   │   
  │Label:viva05 │   
  │Reserved blocks:  5% │   
  │Typical usage:standard   │   
  │ │   
  │Erase data on this partition │   
  │Done setting up the partition│   
  │ │   
  ││   
  │ │   
  └─┘   


(viva05 in this instance), you can just plug that in.

You can even give the device mapper's name for the unlocked partition:

> grub> linux /vmlinuz-4.19.0-17-amd64 root=/dev/dm-N ro 
> systemd.show_status=true quiet

This works if you can deduce the value of N; that's simple for me
as there's only one partition involved (I didn't configure swap),
so it's simply dm-0.

You could use trial and error to work out the value, too.
It only takes a couple of minutes to type in the Grub commands
using dm-0, dm-1 etc each time, and seeing whether the kernel
finds the root filesystem. If not, reboot.

However, I don't intend getting into LVMs any time soon as I'll be
overwriting the partition above with unencrypted 11.0 whenever it's
released. So I'm no help there.

Cheers,
David.

Re: MDs & Dentists

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

On 2021-07-14 9:58 p.m., Weaver wrote:
> On 15-07-2021 11:53, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Have you even considered options such as:
>>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/42km8b6n
>>>
>> Can you please tell me one thing...
>> Does what you just showed me does the following :
>>
>> 1. Manage my health record for my client.
>> 2. Same time as I enter my note into the clients file, code the medical
>> act I've done.
>> 3. Send the code every week to the billing agency so I can get my pay.
>> 4. If you have look at the reference I've sent you, then you have seen
>> the we have what's called service agreement.
>> 5. Codify the acts respecting the billing agreements, for example once
>> per years bill for the patient continuous service follow up ?
>>
>> I doubt they do this.
> 
> I don't know.
> I'm trusting in you to do your own research.
> 
>> And none of the software you showed me deal with medicare ;-)
> 
> Don't they?
> So, you have verified that?
> In which case, what auxiliary function can you call on to fulfil that
> need?
That medicare accept payment only by certified agency.
I did check because they ain't on the list

https://www.ramq.gouv.qc.ca/fr/professionnels/developpeurs-logiciels-medecine/facturation2/liste-developpeurs/Pages/liste-developpeurs.aspx

https://infocentral.infoway-inforoute.ca/en/tools/developer-tools

So yes I did check what you sent me...

> Cheers!
> 
> Harry.
> 

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Re: MDs & Dentists

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

> To be certified (by who?) a piece of equipment with a specific
> configuration for a specific purpose is chosen. 'Windows' can never be
> certified on its own - just as 'Linux' can never be certified.
> 

To by certified by who ?
The payment agency who send my check ;-)
https://www.ramq.gouv.qc.ca/fr/professionnels/developpeurs-logiciels-medecine/facturation2/liste-developpeurs/Pages/liste-developpeurs.aspx

Here's a list of approved software system.

And the hardware solution certified by who ?
Them...
https://www.infoway-inforoute.ca/en/component/tags/tag/3718-information-standards


Because as you seem blind to understand.
My system doesn't run alone. The main task I do with it is to access my
client record, interact with other MDs, manage my shared agenda with
other practitioner.

Is there something you don't get ?

Btw, I'm over, I have better to do than to repeat myself over and over
again.

If your solutions are so great then let me be happy the day Telus Health
will go bankrupt !

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Re: MDs & Dentists

[Weaver]

On 15-07-2021 11:53, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
>>
>> Have you even considered options such as:
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/42km8b6n
>>
> Can you please tell me one thing...
> Does what you just showed me does the following :
> 
> 1. Manage my health record for my client.
> 2. Same time as I enter my note into the clients file, code the medical
> act I've done.
> 3. Send the code every week to the billing agency so I can get my pay.
> 4. If you have look at the reference I've sent you, then you have seen
> the we have what's called service agreement.
> 5. Codify the acts respecting the billing agreements, for example once
> per years bill for the patient continuous service follow up ?
> 
> I doubt they do this.

I don't know.
I'm trusting in you to do your own research.

> And none of the software you showed me deal with medicare ;-)

Don't they?
So, you have verified that?
In which case, what auxiliary function can you call on to fulfil that
need?
Cheers!

Harry.

-- 
`When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' 
-- Thomas Jefferson

Re: MDs & Dentists

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,
> 
> Have you even considered options such as:
> 
> https://tinyurl.com/42km8b6n
> 
Can you please tell me one thing...
Does what you just showed me does the following :

1. Manage my health record for my client.
2. Same time as I enter my note into the clients file, code the medical
act I've done.
3. Send the code every week to the billing agency so I can get my pay.
4. If you have look at the reference I've sent you, then you have seen
the we have what's called service agreement.
5. Codify the acts respecting the billing agreements, for example once
per years bill for the patient continuous service follow up ?

I doubt they do this.
And none of the software you showed me deal with medicare ;-)
-- 
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Re: MDs & Dentists

[Weaver]

On 15-07-2021 11:43, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> jeremy ardley [2021-07-15 07:03:18] wrote:
>> On 15/07/2021 6:26 am, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>> Also can you find me one Linux distribution that is certified as medical
>>> equipment for reliability ?
>> You can't be seriously suggesting Windows is certified for any risk of life
>> application!?
> 
> He's talking about official certification by some government entity or
> some professional association or something like that.
> In many situation, such a certification is required by law or by the
> insurance companies.
> 
> It doesn't really matter what that certification means technically.

I know what he means, though.
Windows is not `certified' for use on the International space station:
they can't afford a frozen screen up there.
The New York and London stock exchanges don't use it.
The traffic lights (anywhere!) are not driven by it.

t's certified for nothing as far as I'm concerned.
On the other hand, it's certifiable, if you get my drift.
Cheers!

Harry.

-- 
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-- Thomas Jefferson

Re: MDs & Dentists

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 14 July 2021 20:32:27 Weaver wrote:

and I snipped to the important part:

> On 15-07-2021 09:32, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> > But FOSS has no impact on the benefits to this solution, moral is
> > not part of it.
>
> Wrong!
> The code is open so any intervention is recognised by a hundred
> thousand and one eyes.
> Bugs get fixed in a fraction of the time other software takes, putting
> it off till six months down the line (minimum!), when a little
> production downtime creates leeway.

Open source does not always impose those scheduling things. I am on 
several other open source mailing lists, and in one case I have 4 
machines running the projects git master software, so I see code commits 
daily and can report bugs long before it gets to the average users 
machine, some of which are more than powerfull enough to kill or mame 
forever if they do something wrong unexpectedly. I play the part of the 
canary in the coal mine, and have reported bugs, and had a fix compiled 
and installed on my machines in as little as 2 hours. 3 times in about 2 
decades is pretty good compared to Redmond's product. Even the kernel 
developers, who comprise at least 100 sets of eyeballs, rarely take more 
than 2 or 3 days to hash out a fix. If you build your own kernels that's 
fine, but the distro's test 500+ times compared to your one machine, so 
it does take time for such to actually reach a repo and your package 
manager to pull it into your machine.

Windows track record in that department is at least 100x worse. 

MBA's are the major reason Windows exists today, they have deep pockets 
that can be sued if it screws up. Linux, generally speaking is free, not 
even beer money in some pockets, nothing there if you did sue. But an 
MBA never makes a mistake because he/she/it always has to have someone 
to sue. Even if it actually is the MBA's mistake.

Understand that, and you'll be well up on seeing whats wrong with today's 
business environment.

[...]

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: MDs & Dentists

[Weaver]

On 15-07-2021 09:32, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-07-14 6:58 p.m., Weaver wrote:
>> On 15-07-2021 08:30, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 2021-07-14 3:54 p.m., Weaver wrote:
 On 15-07-2021 05:42, ellanios82 wrote:
> On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice 
>> software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that 
>> software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get 
>> linux versions available and make some money?
>
> ...
>
>  - just so :)
>
>  - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !!

 There are medical and dental practice softwares which runs on Linux, and
 it's in the repositories.

 https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=medical+practice&searchon=all&suite=unstable§ion=all

 Has anybody pointed it out to their doctor/dentist yet?
 Cheers,

>>> Have you done it ?
>>
>> No, have you?
>>
>>> What is needed to run a doctor office can you tell me ?
>>
>> That's quite a topic to cover in an email, but yes, I know.
>>
>>> Does your "suite" cover it all ?
>>
>> Never used it, have you?
>> Or is this just another example of your ability to denigrate something
>> with no evidence to support it?
>>
> If you took the time to read my previous email then you'll see that :
> I've tried and used Freediams
> I've used the software for viewing of CT Scan (can't remember the name).
> I've used the software for viewing imaging (DICOM).
> 
> Shall I continue ?
> 
> You seem to say many things but lack proof to support them.
> 
>>> What would be the benefits for the doctor/dentist ?
>>
>> Stability and, discounting adminstration overhead, free to use.
>> Have you priced out proprietary alternatives>
>> They're _very_ expensive.
>>

Make up your mind!

\begin{quote} 
 
> Stability wouldn't change, we are not running Windows 95 anymore.
> Can you give me real world example where Linux would be more stable ?
> 
> Don't confuse the need of a computer server and the need of a desktop
> user who's willing to reboot once a day or more. \end{quote}

> And you think that a alternative to those software for administration
> exist ? Those software have to be certified to connect to other software
> used in the office.
> 
> I know the price and could give you some idea.
> 
> PARAM for one user/one doctor/per year will cost you 1200$ and it's one
> of the cheapest, it's mostly the old paper form on a screen.
> Pack you data in XML, make the checksum and here you go.
> 
> The software for our unified health record is supplied by the agency and
> run on Windows only. And this is similar in many settings...
> You don't buy a software, you pay for a service.
> 
> I don't pay for accounting software, I pay for billing service that will
> also optimize my billing. And they supply the software.
> 
> What would a specific accounting software made for doctor, that is
> updated at least monthly would cost less on Linux ?

Right!
So, it's accounting software now.
I don't know, I pay a bookkeeper and an accountant to do all that, and
it doesn't cost me anywhere near what you just quoted.
_And_ I have time for a life.
A big clue to surviving in any business.
Don't work your way into the ground.
Give yourself time for a life.
Your business will be all the better off for it.

> This is a list of all the change to our billing agreements on a day to
> day (week to week) basis...
> 
> https://www.ramq.gouv.qc.ca/fr/professionnels/medecins-omnipraticiens/infolettres/2021/Pages/infolettres.aspx

Have you even considered options such as:

https://tinyurl.com/42km8b6n

> You still don't give me any example of a Linux software that can
> interact with the rest of the software used for health record management.
> 
> Yes freediams does some part but it's really far from what a complete
> health record management do.
> 
> There's no integration with medical imaging (there is but limited).
> There's lacking a bunch of medical equation that we use everyday (for
> example calculating the albumin clearance based on blood test for a
> non-hospitalised patient), etc.

I haven't avoided it at all.
I stated that looking at where descripancies lie and assessing
requirement is the way to go.
I don't see anything wrong with something like LaTeX or XML templates
for a number of different functions.

> And the biggest of all.
> 
> It's not approved by any of the regulator !
> 
> Because you have to use "approved solution" if you want your insurance
> to cover you. That's in the contract... Whatever "approved mean", I let
> my lawyer decide.

O.K., so why are we even talking about it?
Why is it even on the list?
Talk to the developers of the programmes concerned, lay out what you see
as issues, and how they are able to address those.
There are no such restrictive legislation/regulation here.

>>> 

Re: MDs & Dentists

[jeremy ardley]

On 15/07/2021 7:40 am, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:



On 15/07/2021 6:26 am, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

Also can you find me one Linux distribution that is certified as medical
equipment for reliability ?

You can't be seriously suggesting Windows is certified for any risk of
life application!?

It has a huge spectrum of vulnerabilities and a constant stream of zero
day exploits for both the O/S and the myriad applications (Adobe and
Java, I'm looking at you in particular)

That plus real-time isn't and having your system shutting down at will
to install essential patches! No thanks.

On what planet do you live ?
Did I say Windows 10 ?
https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/industry/health/providers

They usually use the real time version of Windows (embedded) for the
critical part of infrastructure.


There ain't no such thing as windows embedded, nor windows real time. 
There are a plethora of binaries probably as far back as windows 95 that 
have gone under the names using NT kernel or some other kernel e.g. Win-CE


Today they are using NT kernels as well as the proprietary kernel, and 
even a Linux kernel under the general heading of embedded or IoT. And as 
is they way, they then link it into azure cloud to offload some of the 
functionality and increase the risk profile.


To be certified (by who?) a piece of equipment with a specific 
configuration for a specific purpose is chosen. 'Windows' can never be 
certified on its own - just as 'Linux' can never be certified.


The discussion about MDs and dentists is not about equipment, it's about 
software they use in day to day operations. That's predominately Windows 
10, either stand alone or as a front end to a remote information system.


The trend, finally, is towards remote services  and lots and lots of 
ECMAscript. For that chrome running on say armbian is as good as chrome 
running on Windows 10. The difference is the armbian version has a much 
higher up-time and a much lower threat profile.


In reference to phones BTW. iPhone is around 15% market share. The rest 
mostly Android. iPhone is dominant in legal and medical circles because 
its considered prestige and they have far too much spare cash.

Re: Safer ways to write an ISO onto USB stick [was Re: Repair partition after dd]

[David Christensen]

On 7/14/21 3:47 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

Hi,

Brian wrote:

It would be nice to avoid having to have root privileges in order
to do 'cp  /dev/sdX' with a USB stick. A udev rule under
/etc/udev/rules.d/ could be a solution:

   SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTRS{removable}=="1", GROUP="floppy"


This could have prevented the mishap, indeed, provided that /dev/sda is
an internal SATA disk.

But i think that the criterion of being "removable" does not sufficiently
characterize a valid target for dd-ing an installation ISO, although
being an internal disk is a strong indication for being not the right one.

It is rather about the current content of the USB stick or memory card
which should be considered.
Best is to make an unambiguous relation between the physical stick in the
user's hand and the target device file.

My proposal for a mitigation of the currently dangerous situation is to
see on
   https://wiki.debian.org/XorrisoDdTarget


Have a nice day :)

Thomas



I think we've all made painful mistakes with /dev/sd* device nodes. 
Beyond identifying disks, partitions, filesystems, etc., with dmesg(1), 
lsusb(1), parted(8), e2label(8), I have developed the habit of using 
/dev/disk/by-id/* device nodes whenever possible.



David

Re: MDs & Dentists

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,
Why do we mostly have iPhone ?
Because the software aren't available on Android and the ones that are
available ain't same quality !

On 2021-07-14 6:58 p.m., Weaver wrote:
> On 15-07-2021 08:30, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 2021-07-14 3:54 p.m., Weaver wrote:
>>> On 15-07-2021 05:42, ellanios82 wrote:
 On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice 
> software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that 
> software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get 
> linux versions available and make some money?

 ...

  - just so :)

  - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !!
>>>
>>> There are medical and dental practice softwares which runs on Linux, and
>>> it's in the repositories.
>>>
>>> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=medical+practice&searchon=all&suite=unstable§ion=all
>>>
>>> Has anybody pointed it out to their doctor/dentist yet?
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>> Have you done it ?
> 
> No, have you?
> 
>> What is needed to run a doctor office can you tell me ?
> 
> That's quite a topic to cover in an email, but yes, I know.
> 
>> Does your "suite" cover it all ?
> 
> Never used it, have you?
> Or is this just another example of your ability to denigrate something
> with no evidence to support it?
> 
>> What would be the benefits for the doctor/dentist ?
> 
> Stability and, discounting adminstration overhead, free to use.
> Have you priced out proprietary alternatives>
> They're _very_ expensive.
> 
>> Again, don't get into the FOSS thingy.
> 
> I haven't.
> But I don't see any reason to denigrate that aspect, either.
> 
>> Don't give much about this.
>>
>> Computer = tool
>> Tool = effective
>> If I need to change my habits = Must be a really good reason
> 
> The first step is honest assessment of requirement, which you don't
> appear to have done.
> 
>> I feel like all this is emotion based and no one really took time to ask
>> themselves why won't they...
>>
>> Maybe because even if you have a software, if it doesn't interact with
>> other part of the system, it's a bit useless. Like a computer on a
>> network that doesn't speak IP...
> 
> Then you need to look at the interaction points, see what can be done
> about that aspect, if that is, indeed, the state.
> Where do you get the idea it isn't?
> Cheers!
> 
> Harry.
> 

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Re: MDs & Dentists

[jeremy ardley]

On 15/07/2021 6:26 am, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:


Also can you find me one Linux distribution that is certified as medical
equipment for reliability ?


You can't be seriously suggesting Windows is certified for any risk of 
life application!?


It has a huge spectrum of vulnerabilities and a constant stream of zero 
day exploits for both the O/S and the myriad applications (Adobe and 
Java, I'm looking at you in particular)


That plus real-time isn't and having your system shutting down at will 
to install essential patches! No thanks.


Jeremy

Re: MDs & Dentists

[Weaver]

On 15-07-2021 08:30, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-07-14 3:54 p.m., Weaver wrote:
>> On 15-07-2021 05:42, ellanios82 wrote:
>>> On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
 Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice 
 software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that 
 software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get 
 linux versions available and make some money?
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>  - just so :)
>>>
>>>  - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !!
>>
>> There are medical and dental practice softwares which runs on Linux, and
>> it's in the repositories.
>>
>> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=medical+practice&searchon=all&suite=unstable§ion=all
>>
>> Has anybody pointed it out to their doctor/dentist yet?
>> Cheers,
>>
> Have you done it ?

No, have you?

> What is needed to run a doctor office can you tell me ?

That's quite a topic to cover in an email, but yes, I know.

> Does your "suite" cover it all ?

Never used it, have you?
Or is this just another example of your ability to denigrate something
with no evidence to support it?

> What would be the benefits for the doctor/dentist ?

Stability and, discounting adminstration overhead, free to use.
Have you priced out proprietary alternatives>
They're _very_ expensive.

> Again, don't get into the FOSS thingy.

I haven't.
But I don't see any reason to denigrate that aspect, either.

> Don't give much about this.
> 
> Computer = tool
> Tool = effective
> If I need to change my habits = Must be a really good reason

The first step is honest assessment of requirement, which you don't
appear to have done.

> I feel like all this is emotion based and no one really took time to ask
> themselves why won't they...
> 
> Maybe because even if you have a software, if it doesn't interact with
> other part of the system, it's a bit useless. Like a computer on a
> network that doesn't speak IP...

Then you need to look at the interaction points, see what can be done
about that aspect, if that is, indeed, the state.
Where do you get the idea it isn't?
Cheers!

Harry.

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-- Thomas Jefferson

Re: MDs & Dentists

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

On 2021-07-14 5:08 p.m., Brian wrote:
> On Wed 14 Jul 2021 at 16:54:06 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
>> On Wednesday 14 July 2021 16:49:34 Brian wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed 14 Jul 2021 at 16:40:43 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
 Off topic reply for sure.
>>>
>>> [Reply snipped]
>>>
>>> Dead sure it is. Nothing unusual. Are you trying to gat many in before
>>> you pop your clogs? :)
>>
>> Of coarse Brian, would you have it any different? ;-)
> 
> Probably not, Gene. But I have a high tolerence level. :)
> 
We all think that "we have everything high"...

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Re: MDs & Dentists

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-07-14 3:54 p.m., Weaver wrote:
> On 15-07-2021 05:42, ellanios82 wrote:
>> On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice 
>>> software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that 
>>> software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get 
>>> linux versions available and make some money?
>>
>> ...
>>
>>  - just so :)
>>
>>  - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !!
> 
> There are medical and dental practice softwares which runs on Linux, and
> it's in the repositories.
> 
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=medical+practice&searchon=all&suite=unstable§ion=all
> 
> Has anybody pointed it out to their doctor/dentist yet?
> Cheers,
> 
Have you done it ?
What is needed to run a doctor office can you tell me ?
Does your "suite" cover it all ?

What would be the benefits for the doctor/dentist ?

Again, don't get into the FOSS thingy.

Don't give much about this.

Computer = tool
Tool = effective
If I need to change my habits = Must be a really good reason

> Harry.
> 

I feel like all this is emotion based and no one really took time to ask
themselves why won't they...

Maybe because even if you have a software, if it doesn't interact with
other part of the system, it's a bit useless. Like a computer on a
network that doesn't speak IP...

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Re: MDs & Dentists

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Him

On 2021-07-14 3:42 p.m., ellanios82 wrote:
> On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice
>> software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that
>> software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get
>> linux versions available and make some money?
> 
> ...
> 
>  - just so :)
> 
>  - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !!
> 
> 
That's the usual "geek non-sense" answer.

Can you tell me one big advantage of using Linux in a medical practice ?

What would I gain in my practice to switching over to Linux, already you
are talking about running Windows in a Virtual Box and your answer is
just based on something you don't know.

The software that is used for my electronic stetoscope is made for
running under Windows. If I call tech support and it's running under a
virtual box then they'll call me off. Because that's the contract.

Bad answer : Because it's FOSS (don't care, it's a tool).
Bad answer : Because it's more stable (no it's not anymore).

Also can you find me one Linux distribution that is certified as medical
equipment for reliability ?
> 
> 
>  rgds
> 
> .
> 
> 

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Re: MDs & Dentists

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

This is a start but there's not much for the day to day practice.
You have health record management but it's unable to operate with other
system.
But there's also great stuff like the possibility to analyze CT scan and
MRI.
The tools are mostly oriented for research and not so much for practice
itself.

A medical tool is useless if it doesn't interact with the whole system.
You don't want to type lab result by hand ;-)

On 2021-07-14 3:09 p.m., John Hasler wrote:
> https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med/
> 

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Re: MDs & Dentists

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-07-14 2:27 p.m., Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice
> software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that
> software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get
> linux versions available and make some money?
> 
> 
There's many reason behind the use of Windows.
The historical reason.
Plus you often need many software that are specific to one part of your
practice. For example in Quebec, all doctors need to have a accounting
software that is certified by the accounting board so they can bill the
universal health care system. They also need a certified software to
have access to the unified medical record (all hospital are linked to a
huge database so anywhere you can know what test have been done, what
medication is prescribed, etc) Those software are have a limited market
either because of the geography (accounting and medical limited only to
Quebec) or in some case because of the practice type (There's software
made only for radiologists and some only for ENT doctors).

All this create a somewhat small market and it would be hard for a
company to be profitable in a sub part of this market.

Also, there's the more complex certification of the global system.
There's ANSI and ISO standard for medical equipment that has to be met
by computer equipment used in medical practice. Not everything but when
you talk about lab results analysis for example.
This would require to certify the whole stack, including the underlying
Linux OS and deal with the update. Often these system are not network
linked because you can't update them too easily.

Also, there's the part that "Everyone learn something in school" and for
most of us, this is Windows. So you'd be asking your clerk to learn the
difference with LibreOffice and adapt to this.

Some things are changing, as we are all now "over Internet", I know that
some provider who only offered Windows based software are now serving it
as web application. So you can use it over Internet, that is mainly
billing and health record management.

We also have to put ourselves into others shoes. If most people here who
are Debian user also adapt easily to different computer environment,
even enjoy it. It's far from the case with most other user of computer
system. So there must be at least a really good incentive to force a
system change.

And there, I cannot see it !

The savings done over license would be transferred to the cost of
certifying. Where as now, once the Windows operating system is approved,
you don't have to do this again for every solution you'll make.

Where there's a good penetration of Linux based system is mostly where
the doctors are autonomous in their own practice. For example in Africa,
if I'm remembering good, even UNAIDS (UN HIV) donated funds for a open
source software used to manage lab results and do epidemiology with the
data. This was in Africa...

The question is not "why doesn't anyone made a solution using Linux" but
the question is more "what would they gain doing so" and "what would be
the incentive to the user".

If it take more than 2 sentence to explain the advantages of going with
a Linux solution then you lost them. And this not only apply to doctors
but to most professional for who the computer is only a tool, like a
pen, a typewriter and a ottoscope.

I'll explain a bit more to support my words...

Many years ago, the health administration of Quebec was getting tired of
dealing with paper billing getting in.
It was time consuming for the agency to put all this into the computer
themselves.
But by law, they couldn't force doctor to bill thru computer. You have
doctor who are 70 years old and are used to billing by hand on a
tri-copy piece of paper with carbon. They know all the billing code in
their head.
We are in 2005 and there's people sending in load of paper, there's
other doctor who send in disc (cd-rom that evolved from the old time
floppy), some of them use a switched line modem (56k) and some use batch
transfer over the internet thru the portal.

So they put a transaction fee of 75 cents for every paper form sent,
except the one that are only possible to send on paper (some type of
payment where you have to justify what you did or when there's no
billing code).

And time goes by...
It took 5 years for the doctors who sent by paper to mostly change to
electronic form.
So we are now in 2011 and there's still doctor doing the paper thing.
So they pushed in the unified health record and paid a one-time fee to
all doctor for buying computer and network equipment, also internet
access plus 6 days in the year for training. And they added some payment
to train the employees.

Because there was a real advantage for doctors (the unified health
record), they computerized their practice. Once they started being more
electronic, some advantage of using the computerized system was added.
For example you could save yourself from typing many 

Re: pppoe ipv6

[Tomaž Šolc]

Hi,

no idea if that is required for your ISP, but I have two options in my
working pppd config related to IPv6:

+ipv6
ipv6 ,

The second line is ipv6[space][comma]. See "man pppd". It means that
local and remote interface identifiers are randomized.

You don't mention any DHCP clients. At least for me, I need a DHCPv6
client to get the IPv6 working. I get an IPv4 address from the ISP
directly via ppp, but to get a globally-routable IPv6 requires a DHCPv6
client.

I use the client in the "wide-dhcpv6-client" package.

Hope that helps,
Tomaž

On 14. 07. 21 16:40, basti wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> i use pppoe to connect to the Internet.
> My ISP support IPv6 and I get a /56.
> I get a static IPv4 from my ISP but no IPv6, so I ask my ISP how to do.
> 
> The Answer in short:
> - do not use RA
> - the IPv6 is send via ppp but my router does not accept them
> 
> 
> /etc/ppp/options look like:
> 
> #+ipv6 ipv6cp-use-persistent
> #+ipv6 ipv6cp-use-ipaddr
> +ipv6
> 
> I have also try the commended options above
> 
> journal:
> 
> Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: pppd 2.4.7 started by root, uid 0
> Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: PPP session is 9348
> Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: Connected to  via
> interface enp1s0
> Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: Using interface ppp0
> Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: Connect: ppp0 <--> enp1s0
> Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 systemd-udevd[30036]: link_config:
> autonegotiation is unset or enabled, the speed and duplex are not writable.
> Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: PAP authentication succeeded
> Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: peer from calling number 
> authorized
> Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 named[12555]: listening on IPv4 interface ppp0,
> #53
> Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: local  IP address 
> Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: remote IP address 
> Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: local  LL address
> fe80:::::0002
> Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: remote LL address
> fe80::5aac:78ff:fefb:9000
> 
> 
> Best regards
> 
> 

Re: MDs & Dentists

[Brian]

On Wed 14 Jul 2021 at 16:54:06 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Wednesday 14 July 2021 16:49:34 Brian wrote:
> 
> > On Wed 14 Jul 2021 at 16:40:43 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > Off topic reply for sure.
> >
> > [Reply snipped]
> >
> > Dead sure it is. Nothing unusual. Are you trying to gat many in before
> > you pop your clogs? :)
> 
> Of coarse Brian, would you have it any different? ;-)

Probably not, Gene. But I have a high tolerence level. :)

-- 
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Re: MDs & Dentists

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 14 July 2021 16:49:34 Brian wrote:

> On Wed 14 Jul 2021 at 16:40:43 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Off topic reply for sure.
>
> [Reply snipped]
>
> Dead sure it is. Nothing unusual. Are you trying to gat many in before
> you pop your clogs? :)

Of coarse Brian, would you have it any different? ;-)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: MDs & Dentists

[Brian]

On Wed 14 Jul 2021 at 16:40:43 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

[...]
 
> Off topic reply for sure.

[Reply snipped]

Dead sure it is. Nothing unusual. Are you trying to gat many in before
you pop your clogs? :)

-- 
Brian.

Re: MDs & Dentists

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 14 July 2021 10:40:03 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 2021-07-14 8:23 a.m., Dan Ritter wrote:
> > ellanios82 wrote:
> >>  - have heard it opined that MDs & Dentists are seldom good
> >> investors, for the reason that they are used to usually being
> >> 'Right'
> >
> > I'm not sure what this has to do with Debian, but this overlaps
> > with my professional interests.
> >
> > As far as I can tell, the reason that MDs and dentists are
> > notable as bad investors is the same reason that they are
> > notable as bad pilots: in the middle to end of their careers
> > they have lots of money and no particular life experience other
> > than their professions. They look for something that is
> > appealing on the surface, put just enough time into it to
> > convince themselves that they are going to be quite good at it
> > because they are already successful, and then crash.
>
> I can only agree with you, being MD myself. Well, I'd better say used
> to be MD. But again, that's wrong because I still got the diploma but
> ain't doing the usual job MD do.
>
> > https://generalaviationnews.com/2017/03/29/the-doctor-killer/
> >
> > Luckily, programming is a useful alternative hobby for medical
> > professionals. As long as you stay away from certain obscure
> > areas -- say, device drivers and financial software -- the
> > penalties for screwing up are much lower.
> >
> > If you like your doctor or dentist, encourage them to learn
> > Debian and get into programming rather than daytrading or
> > piloting.
>
> We maybe don't remember but if we go back 30 years or so ago, most
> people who graduated with a master in science, chemistry, physics or
> such all had to learn programming. Why ? Because they used it as a
> tool for doing research, making library of math function for analysis
> of data... My father-in-law as part of his master in geophysics used
> some Fortran to do waveform analysis, looking out for sign of
> specifics rock formation. All this produced truck load of data and he
> had to analyze it. In the early 80s, there was not many math package
> like we had today, even less that connected directly to signal
> acquisition system. So he built one with a DEC PDP-11.

Off topic reply for sure.

And that was his first mistake. As a former TV Chief Engineer I had to 
deal with all the computerized systems a tv station can acquire, and the 
PDP-11/23 CBS sold us for satellite dish control was by far the least 
dependable I ever had to deal with. The Digital Field Engineers changed 
everything in that machine but the frame rail with the serial number was 
on, without any effect on the 4 or 5 times a day silent crash. So we 
aired a crap load of dog food commercials when we were supposed to be 
selling breakfast foods or diapers, and we don't get paid for those 
mistakes. Eventually I forced CBS to replace it with an IBM based system 
which ran from power outage to power outage. Affiliate system wide, on 
CBS's dime.

> Today with the ease of the new software, most people will only use
> end-user software but in those days, you build your own.
> He even developed a molecule display program for the Commodore 64...

We often wrote our own software, but I almost always used a trs-80 color 
computer, much easier to program in os9 or basic09. But as a learning 
experiment, the first I wrote was on an 1802 based board but I was the 
assembler, looking up the hex codes in the rca programmers manual. All 
the board had was a hex monitor. The finished program then lived in the 
KRCR control room in Redding CA for 14 years that I know of, in use many 
times a day. That's a couple eons in the average broadcast facility.

> > -dsr-


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: MDs & Dentists

[Weaver]

On 15-07-2021 05:42, ellanios82 wrote:
> On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice 
>> software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that 
>> software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get linux 
>> versions available and make some money?
> 
> ...
> 
>  - just so :)
> 
>  - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !!

There are medical and dental practice softwares which runs on Linux, and
it's in the repositories.

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=medical+practice&searchon=all&suite=unstable§ion=all

Has anybody pointed it out to their doctor/dentist yet?
Cheers,

Harry.

-- 
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-- Thomas Jefferson

Re: MDs & Dentists

[ellanios82]

On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice 
software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that software 
either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get linux versions 
available and make some money?


...

 - just so :)

 - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !!




 rgds

.

Re: MDs & Dentists

[John Hasler]

https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med/
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Bref rapport d'investissement pour mai 2021

[Stefan Monnier]

I can't reproduce this on Debian testing.
A problem in your config, maybe?


Stefan


steve [2021-07-14 09:14:48] wrote:

> Bonjour Xavier,
>
> Oui bien reçu. Mais c'est celui de mai, je pensais qu'on parlait de
> celui de juin (mais c'est probablement trop tôt).
>
> Par ailleurs, j'ai posté ce matin les documents pour le mandat de
> gestion.
>
> Excellente journée
>
> Meilleures salutations
> Steve
>
>
> Le 14-07-2021, à 07:03:31 +, xavier.crit...@ubs.com a écrit :
>
>>Bonjour Steve,
>>
>>Encore merci à vous pour la visite et votre confiance!
>>
>>Je viens de renvoyer le mail. Merci de me confirmer que vous l'avez bien reçu.
>>
>>Nous restons à votre disposition.
>>
>>Très bonne journée et courage pour cette dernière ligne droite avant les 
>>vacances!
>>
>>Xavier

Re: MDs & Dentists

[Jude DaShiell]

Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice
software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that
software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get
linux versions available and make some money?

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

[Stefan Monnier]

Jeremy Ardley [2021-07-14 12:52:10] wrote:
> On 14/7/21 12:09 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> On Ma, 13 iul 21, 20:54:22, Brian wrote:
>>> On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 15:38:26 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:27:03 AM Stefan Monnier wrote:
> BTW, for those who don't want to run their own server, there are still
> other reasons to avoid Github: my rule is to try and opt for the
> underdog so as to foster competition.
 +1
>>> You are apparently well up in this field. Is there a particular
>>> udderdog you would recommend?
>> As far as I understand Gitlab is the only comparable alternative,
>> preferably self-hosted (like Debian's Salsa).
> AWS has a permanently free GIT repository for small projects (under
>  5 developers) and limited storage requirements
> https://aws.amazon.com/codecommit/

Then again, I'm not sure that Amazon qualifies as an "underdog".


Stefan


PS: Your reply's text was oddly "hidden" inside your signature (as
defined by the old convention that "\n-- \n" separates the main body
from the signature).

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

[Brian]

On Wed 14 Jul 2021 at 12:53:00 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 02:59:27PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 07:32:19PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > May I suggest we get back on-topic.
> > 
> > There's a topic?  I think we're so far from the topic that we can't
> > even get back to it with a compass.
> > 
> > > Greg Wooledge (he who has
> > > disappeared) could just sensitively edit the wiki page he has
> > > an interest in, That's what I would do.
> > 
> > I "disappeared" because I had nothing more to say.  Also apparently
> > any time I say anything, I'm perceived as a jerk.  Or maybe it's just
> > when I stand up for myself, who knows.
> > 
> > I've restored the sources.list entries in the FAQ sections of the wiki
> > pages for stretch and buster.  We'll see what happens next, I guess.
> > 
> 
> For what it's worth - I had a check on IRC in debian-www

That's worth a lot.
 
> The wiki isn't as tightly policed and is more of a free for all: if you see
> something that's wrong, you can change it. There's a creative tension between
> what should sit on the wiki / what should be on www.debian.org.

As far as "free for all" is concerned, the contrast is between the wiki
and www.debian.org. If one contrasts our wiki guidance wuth that given
for Ubuntu and Arch Linux, there are significant differences. Given
that, the editors who work on our wiki are remarkably self-disciplined
and the quality of pages is good. (The translation effort should be
noted and applauded here).

AFAICT, there isn't any formal central authority for wiki management in
Debian. That's not a complainte, but it does raise the question of where
an editor turns to for discussion of an issue.

I am glad this issue has been resolved to the benefit of users and
editors.

-- 
Brian.

Re: [OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names])

[Christian Groessler]

On 7/14/21 5:02 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On Tue Jul 13 16:50:38 2021 Michael Lange  wrote:

> here (Germany) we still have those TV ads for beer, and I can assure
> you that the advertised brands (its not up to me to decide whether
> they are rubbish or not) are the ones that are available virtually
> everywhere, so I believe that it is safe to assume that they are
> also the brands that sell.
> So yes, unfortunately at least in some cases advertisements apparently
> pay.

If they didn't pay, companies would have stopped sinking vast amounts
of effort and expense into them a century ago.



In the football EM there was some advertising for some beer.

They seem to be OK-ish. But I've tasted them just once I think.

Here in Germany, near Munich, we have a beer brand (from Munich) which 
doesn't advertise but is the "standard beer" all around :-)


regards,
chris

Re: MDs & Dentists

[Charlie Gibbs]

On Wed Jul 14 07:38:52 2021 Dan Ritter  wrote:

> ellanios82 wrote:
>>
>>  - have heard it opined that MDs & Dentists are seldom good
>> investors, for the reason that they are used to usually being
>> 'Right'

I've heard that surgeons can be particularly bad.

> I'm not sure what this has to do with Debian, but this overlaps
> with my professional interests.
>
> As far as I can tell, the reason that MDs and dentists are
> notable as bad investors is the same reason that they are
> notable as bad pilots: in the middle to end of their careers
> they have lots of money and no particular life experience other
> than their professions. They look for something that is
> appealing on the surface, put just enough time into it to
> convince themselves that they are going to be quite good at it
> because they are already successful, and then crash.
>
> https://generalaviationnews.com/2017/03/29/the-doctor-killer/

Ah yes, the infamous "V-tail doctor killer", adored by
birdwatchers everywhere.

Still, if you read the article to the end you'll see that
improved training is offsetting the trend.

> Luckily, programming is a useful alternative hobby for medical
> professionals. As long as you stay away from certain obscure
> areas -- say, device drivers and financial software -- the
> penalties for screwing up are much lower.

Yeah, just write another piece of glitzy crap with a shitty user
interface... you could always get a job with Microsoft, I suppose.

> If you like your doctor or dentist, encourage them to learn
> Debian and get into programming rather than daytrading or
> piloting.

Either that, or ensure that they have - or develop - enough
humility to fly safely.

As for me, I'm content to stay with my Cessna 172,
and work to keep my instrument flying skills sharp.

--
cgi...@surfnaked.ca (Charlie Gibbs)

[OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names])

[Charlie Gibbs]

On Tue Jul 13 16:50:38 2021 Michael Lange  wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:25:17 +0100
> Joe  wrote:
>
> (...)
>
>> Back when we had TV advertisements
>> for beer, it was always the rubbish beers that got the publicity.
>
> here (Germany) we still have those TV ads for beer, and I can assure
> you that the advertised brands (its not up to me to decide whether
> they are rubbish or not) are the ones that are available virtually
> everywhere, so I believe that it is safe to assume that they are
> also the brands that sell.
> So yes, unfortunately at least in some cases advertisements apparently
> pay.

If they didn't pay, companies would have stopped sinking vast amounts
of effort and expense into them a century ago.

>> As for 'targetted advertising', I've never seen any. When I notice
>> the ads around the sides of web pages, none of them are aimed at me
>
> The same here. So maybe I have developed some skills obscuring my
> "profile" to "them", or (maybe more likely) I am just too dumb to
> realize that those ads *are* in fact targeted at me :-)

If they're targeted at me, I try to make sure they miss.

--
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\ /  I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way.
 X   Top-posted messages will probably be ignored.  See RFC1855.
/ \  "Alexa, define 'bugging'."

pppoe ipv6

[basti]

Hello,

i use pppoe to connect to the Internet.
My ISP support IPv6 and I get a /56.
I get a static IPv4 from my ISP but no IPv6, so I ask my ISP how to do.

The Answer in short:
- do not use RA
- the IPv6 is send via ppp but my router does not accept them


/etc/ppp/options look like:

#+ipv6 ipv6cp-use-persistent
#+ipv6 ipv6cp-use-ipaddr
+ipv6

I have also try the commended options above

journal:

Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: pppd 2.4.7 started by root, uid 0
Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: PPP session is 9348
Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: Connected to  via 
interface enp1s0

Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: Using interface ppp0
Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: Connect: ppp0 <--> enp1s0
Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 systemd-udevd[30036]: link_config: 
autonegotiation is unset or enabled, the speed and duplex are not writable.

Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: PAP authentication succeeded
Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: peer from calling number  
authorized
Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 named[12555]: listening on IPv4 interface ppp0, 
#53

Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: local  IP address 
Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: remote IP address 
Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: local  LL address 
fe80:::::0002
Jul 14 16:19:31 rtr-002 pppd[30035]: remote LL address 
fe80::5aac:78ff:fefb:9000



Best regards

Re: Bref rapport d'investissement pour mai 2021

[tomas]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 10:27:11AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> I can't reproduce this on Debian testing.
> A problem in your config, maybe?

Are you sure?

;-P

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Re: MDs & Dentists

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-07-14 8:23 a.m., Dan Ritter wrote:
> ellanios82 wrote: 
>>
>>  - have heard it opined that MDs & Dentists are seldom good investors, for
>> the reason that they are used to usually being 'Right'
>>
> 
> I'm not sure what this has to do with Debian, but this overlaps
> with my professional interests.
> 
> As far as I can tell, the reason that MDs and dentists are
> notable as bad investors is the same reason that they are
> notable as bad pilots: in the middle to end of their careers
> they have lots of money and no particular life experience other
> than their professions. They look for something that is
> appealing on the surface, put just enough time into it to
> convince themselves that they are going to be quite good at it
> because they are already successful, and then crash.
> 
I can only agree with you, being MD myself. Well, I'd better say used to
be MD. But again, that's wrong because I still got the diploma but ain't
doing the usual job MD do.

> https://generalaviationnews.com/2017/03/29/the-doctor-killer/
> 
> Luckily, programming is a useful alternative hobby for medical
> professionals. As long as you stay away from certain obscure
> areas -- say, device drivers and financial software -- the
> penalties for screwing up are much lower.
> 
> If you like your doctor or dentist, encourage them to learn
> Debian and get into programming rather than daytrading or
> piloting.
We maybe don't remember but if we go back 30 years or so ago, most
people who graduated with a master in science, chemistry, physics or
such all had to learn programming. Why ? Because they used it as a tool
for doing research, making library of math function for analysis of data...
My father-in-law as part of his master in geophysics used some Fortran
to do waveform analysis, looking out for sign of specifics rock
formation. All this produced truck load of data and he had to analyze
it. In the early 80s, there was not many math package like we had today,
even less that connected directly to signal acquisition system.
So he built one with a DEC PDP-11.

Today with the ease of the new software, most people will only use
end-user software but in those days, you build your own.
He even developed a molecule display program for the Commodore 64...

> 
> -dsr-
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
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Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

[The Wanderer]

On 2021-07-14 at 10:17, Stefan Monnier wrote:

> PS: Your reply's text was oddly "hidden" inside your signature (as 
> defined by the old convention that "\n-- \n" separates the main body 
> from the signature).

Looking back at the preceding mails, I suspect that what may have
happened is not that the reply text was inserted after the new mail's
signature separator, but that when quoting Andrei's mail in order to
reply, Andrei's signature separator (from the previous mail) was left
outside of the quote.

-- 
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persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 12:53:00PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> For what it's worth - I had a check on IRC in debian-www
> 
> The wiki isn't as tightly policed and is more of a free for all: if you see
> something that's wrong, you can change it. There's a creative tension between
> what should sit on the wiki / what should be on www.debian.org.
> 
> I also had a quick chat with Paul on IRC
> 
> He'd forgotten about the change: it was that long ago. He did make the point
> that it seemed sensible to centre it on SourcesList for him: it's no huge 
> matter since anything can be changed.

OK.  Thank you for all of that.

I don't know how others approach it, but for me, the wiki is the place
where end users like myself can contribute with our own knowledge
and experience.  www.debian.org is the "official" information source,
centrally controlled, curated, and off limits for the end users.

The two sites borrow from each other as needed.  This is fine.  There's
no need to prevent duplication of content.  In a worst case scenario,
if one of the two sites is unavailable for some reason, the other one
is a backup.  In more ordinary situations, the two sites have different
organizational structures and different focuses, so specific pieces of
information may be easier to find on one site than on the other.  That's
also fine.

> Each set of release notes also has the sources.list stanzas in it, I think,

Not that I can find.  And I just looked.

> and if you're coming from updating older releases, you'd be looking to the
> next set of release notes anyway to see what's changed, ideally.

As a regular on the #debian IRC channel, I can assure you that "what
do I put in sources.list for ___ release" really *is* one of the most
frequently asked questions.

There are several reasons for this, and I don't claim to know all of
them, but one of the biggest reasons is that a large number of Debian
installations do not provide a working Internet sources.list file.  Perhaps
because the network interface(s) were not working during installation,
perhaps because of missing wifi firmware, yadda yadda yadda.  The point
is, people *need* this information.  Having multiple redundant copies of
it is helpful.

Another big reason only applies to the older releases.  "I have an old
server running ___ and its sources.list doesn't work any more.  What do I
use?"  This is unbelievably common, and it obviously isn't going to be
covered by reading the wheezy (or whatever version's) release notes.

> There Is No Cabal - this isn't quite Wikipedia with policies, edit wars 
> and badged issues police, at least as far as the wiki's concerned.
> www.d.o is a bit tighter - not least because well-intentioned edits cause
> havoc with the good folk who do translations and there's a defined process
> so that they don't end up having to re-edit tens of pages for a tiny fix
> on a URL, for example. [Been there, caused that, got the T shirt]

OK.  I'll admit that I may have been over-sensitive, because I have been
on the receiving end of an extremely vicious wiki cabal in the past, with
a different community and a different wiki.  So I may have extrapolated
patterns that don't exist, here, from a single incident.

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

[Reco]

Hi.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 08:00:20AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 07:45:08 +0100
> Joe  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:17:37 -0400
> > Celejar  wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:09:32 +0200
> > > Alexandre Garreau  wrote:
> > > 
> >  
> > > > 
> > > > No, they’re not submitted to network effect, Debian is not a social 
> > > > network.  Moreover, Debian is non-lucrative.  Currently nobody can
> > > > get *power* from it.  
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure what you mean by non-lucrative, but even though
> > > there's no money involved, that does not mean that there's no power.
> > > The power to decide what software to include in the distribution and
> > > what to exclude is certainly power. Debian has an elaborate
> > > constitution, with all kinds of rules, and the organization has
> > > considerable power over the distribution. This is similar, in my mind,
> > > to the power that an organization like Facebook has over its network.
> > > 
> > 
> > I think in this context that 'power' means power over the real world,
> > not just within a medium. It is unlikely that Debian can swing an
> > election result. Debian has rules, but not over what people are
> > permitted to discuss.
> 
> I concur completely with your distinction, and I agree that it's an
> important one. The original topic of the conversation, however, was
> Github and friends, and I doubt that Github can swing an election
> result, either.

Github gathers personal information, Bing uses it to influence an
election via search results manipulation. It's real easy if you have the
same owner of both services.

Reco

Re: MDs & Dentists

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 03:35:18PM +0300, ellanios82 wrote:
> On 7/14/21 3:23 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> >   ~ same reason that they are notable as bad pilots
> 
> 
>   hah! : maybe Comedians? : Canadian Comic, Jim Carey , of 'the Mask' fame, 
> is a Pilot , and pilots his own big Plane
> 
And comedian Ken Jeong is a medical doctor :-)

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

Re: why pdf file at archive.org is so slow to open

[Nicholas Geovanis]

Having just heard of the Lightroom product and scratched the surface of Mr
Weaver's objections to it (he called it Lightbeam): whether my pix goto the
intelligence community or not, I wouldn't want them traveling across the
nets to be digitally processed or stored. But quoting Jello Biafra, the
convenience you demanded is now mandatory.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 5:43 AM  wrote:

> David, you are right, it has Continuous mode
> but it's slow, and it lacks gui, making it difficult to use
> i don't think gui components requires fast cpu
>
>
>

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 02:59:27PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 07:32:19PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > May I suggest we get back on-topic.
> 
> There's a topic?  I think we're so far from the topic that we can't
> even get back to it with a compass.
> 
> > Greg Wooledge (he who has
> > disappeared) could just sensitively edit the wiki page he has
> > an interest in, That's what I would do.
> 
> I "disappeared" because I had nothing more to say.  Also apparently
> any time I say anything, I'm perceived as a jerk.  Or maybe it's just
> when I stand up for myself, who knows.
> 
> I've restored the sources.list entries in the FAQ sections of the wiki
> pages for stretch and buster.  We'll see what happens next, I guess.
> 

For what it's worth - I had a check on IRC in debian-www

The wiki isn't as tightly policed and is more of a free for all: if you see
something that's wrong, you can change it. There's a creative tension between
what should sit on the wiki / what should be on www.debian.org.

I also had a quick chat with Paul on IRC

He'd forgotten about the change: it was that long ago. He did make the point
that it seemed sensible to centre it on SourcesList for him: it's no huge 
matter since anything can be changed.

Each set of release notes also has the sources.list stanzas in it, I think,
and if you're coming from updating older releases, you'd be looking to the
next set of release notes anyway to see what's changed, ideally.

There Is No Cabal - this isn't quite Wikipedia with policies, edit wars 
and badged issues police, at least as far as the wiki's concerned.
www.d.o is a bit tighter - not least because well-intentioned edits cause
havoc with the good folk who do translations and there's a defined process
so that they don't end up having to re-edit tens of pages for a tiny fix
on a URL, for example. [Been there, caused that, got the T shirt]

This list has a bunch of varying experience and expertise - all of it is
valuable and valued.

All the very best, as ever, to all

Andy Cater

Re: Repair partition after dd

[songbird]

 wrote:
...
> My experience, too. I've done that for other people now and then
> (because this never happens to me [1]) and when they say "gee...
> this is taking long", my reply is "wait until we've to go over all
> that "recovered" stuff".

  many years ago i had a windows check disk of about 300,000 files
to wade through.  i wrote a program which went through that looked
at the magic numbers and then from there it was mostly string
indexing to find only the files i was interested in.  one of
the best things i ever did for myself was delete all of that once
i had the few files i needed right away.  there was a lot of old
history in there that i could read again and then i figured out
that i just didn't need to dwell on that stuff any more.

  in the middle of last winter i was trying to find if i'd backed
up all those parts of files someplace but gladly i didn't find a
bit of it anywheres.


  songbird

Re: MDs & Dentists

[ellanios82]

On 7/14/21 3:23 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:

  ~ same reason that they are notable as bad pilots



  hah! : maybe Comedians? : Canadian Comic, Jim Carey , of 'the Mask' 
fame,  is a Pilot , and pilots his own big Plane








 rgds

Re: MDs & Dentists

[Dan Ritter]

ellanios82 wrote: 
> 
>  - have heard it opined that MDs & Dentists are seldom good investors, for
> the reason that they are used to usually being 'Right'
> 

I'm not sure what this has to do with Debian, but this overlaps
with my professional interests.

As far as I can tell, the reason that MDs and dentists are
notable as bad investors is the same reason that they are
notable as bad pilots: in the middle to end of their careers
they have lots of money and no particular life experience other
than their professions. They look for something that is
appealing on the surface, put just enough time into it to
convince themselves that they are going to be quite good at it
because they are already successful, and then crash.

https://generalaviationnews.com/2017/03/29/the-doctor-killer/

Luckily, programming is a useful alternative hobby for medical
professionals. As long as you stay away from certain obscure
areas -- say, device drivers and financial software -- the
penalties for screwing up are much lower.

If you like your doctor or dentist, encourage them to learn
Debian and get into programming rather than daytrading or
piloting.

-dsr-

Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

[Celejar]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 07:45:08 +0100
Joe  wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:17:37 -0400
> Celejar  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:09:32 +0200
> > Alexandre Garreau  wrote:
> > 
>  
> > > 
> > > No, they’re not submitted to network effect, Debian is not a social 
> > > network.  Moreover, Debian is non-lucrative.  Currently nobody can
> > > get *power* from it.  
> > 
> > I'm not sure what you mean by non-lucrative, but even though
> > there's no money involved, that does not mean that there's no power.
> > The power to decide what software to include in the distribution and
> > what to exclude is certainly power. Debian has an elaborate
> > constitution, with all kinds of rules, and the organization has
> > considerable power over the distribution. This is similar, in my mind,
> > to the power that an organization like Facebook has over its network.
> > 
> 
> I think in this context that 'power' means power over the real world,
> not just within a medium. It is unlikely that Debian can swing an
> election result. Debian has rules, but not over what people are
> permitted to discuss.

I concur completely with your distinction, and I agree that it's an
important one. The original topic of the conversation, however, was
Github and friends, and I doubt that Github can swing an election
result, either.

Celejar

Re: Repair partition after dd

[tomas]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 10:36:23AM +, neroni_and...@yahoo.it wrote:

> [...] Something has been retrieved, I'll need a lot of time to go over 
> everything though.

My experience, too. I've done that for other people now and then
(because this never happens to me [1]) and when they say "gee...
this is taking long", my reply is "wait until we've to go over all
that "recovered" stuff".

Cheers, good luck
[1] *BLAM*! "uh-oh..." ;-)

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Re: Repair partition after dd

[neroni_and...@yahoo.it]

 Hi,
   > Since the partition now begins by a valid and complete ISO 9660 filesystem
> it might be necessary to deface the filesystem before any search for
> remnants of the original file system structure can get onto the right track.
>
> So if the rescue effort does not show sufficient results, then the whole
> ISO filesystem could be erased in order to point the rescue team to the
> interesting rest of the partition.

Yes, I aws afraid that having a valid filesystem on top of the previous one 
could lead to some misunderstanding in TestDisk. I'll definitely try what you 
are suggesting.
> - Determine the byte size of the ISO image that was copied to /dev/sda5.
>
> - To get some reasonable throughput, divide the byte size by 2048 which
>  will yield the block count. Let's assume the result is 714752.
>
> - Now zeroize the ISO's range in /dev/sda5:
>    dd if=/dev/zero bs=2048 count=714752 of=/dev/sda5

Thanks. Hopefully something good will come out. In any case I already did a 
PhotoRec run to extract as many files I could from the partition. Something has 
been retrieved, I'll need a lot of time to go over everything though.
Thanks again!
Andrea
  

MDs & Dentists

[ellanios82]

 - have heard it opined that MDs & Dentists are seldom good investors, 
for the reason that they are used to usually being 'Right'



.


 'the Amazing Polly - Did the Mask Just Slip?'





.

 rgds

.

Safer ways to write an ISO onto USB stick [was Re: Repair partition after dd]

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Brian wrote:
> It would be nice to avoid having to have root privileges in order
> to do 'cp  /dev/sdX' with a USB stick. A udev rule under
> /etc/udev/rules.d/ could be a solution:
>
>   SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTRS{removable}=="1", GROUP="floppy"

This could have prevented the mishap, indeed, provided that /dev/sda is
an internal SATA disk.

But i think that the criterion of being "removable" does not sufficiently
characterize a valid target for dd-ing an installation ISO, although
being an internal disk is a strong indication for being not the right one.

It is rather about the current content of the USB stick or memory card
which should be considered.
Best is to make an unambiguous relation between the physical stick in the
user's hand and the target device file.

My proposal for a mitigation of the currently dangerous situation is to
see on
  https://wiki.debian.org/XorrisoDdTarget


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: why pdf file at archive.org is so slow to open

[loushanguan2015]

David, you are right, it has Continuous modebut it's slow, and it lacks gui, 
making it difficult to usei don't think gui components requires fast cpu

Re: keyboard

[Pierre-Elliott Bécue]

Gunnar Gervin  writes:

> Hi,
> @ `
> just saying

Ya!

Welcome back in @ land!

Cheers!
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Re: Working for free

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i wrote:
> > Are you fishing for quarrel ?

Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> This was a joke.
> Also, playing the victim is never a good way to go ;-)

Your second sentence could be understood that your answer is "Yes".

Greg Wooledge has noted that his recent tone was not well received and
indicated that he is not happy about that. This is surely not "playing the
victim".

---

In case my opinion is of interest for you, Greg:

Your wording about Paul Wise's change of your wiki text was inappropriate
by the generalized assumption of his intentions and by projecting your
anger on him as a person.
(I mean the last four lines of
 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/07/msg00503.html )

In general your words are sometimes more gruffy than the recipient deserves.

But modulo that, i'm in agreement with you most times.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

keyboard

[Gunnar Gervin]

Hi,
@ `
just saying
geg

Re: Repair partition after dd

[Brian]

On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 22:12:28 +, Andrea Neroni wrote:

> While preparing a bootable USB a wild dd command was executed on the
> wrong partition, namely on /dev/sda5 instead of the intended /dev/sdb.
> The consequences are easy to imagine.

It would be nice to avoid having to have root privileges in order
to do 'cp  /dev/sdX' with a USB stick. A udev rule under
/etc/udev/rules.d/ could be a solution:

  SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTRS{removable}=="1", GROUP="floppy"

OTOH, perhaps it would be wise to read

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=788662
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=751892

-- 
Brian.

Re: Working for free

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-07-14 3:44 a.m., Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>> I "disappeared" because I had nothing more to say.  Also apparently
>>> any time I say anything, I'm perceived as a jerk.  Or maybe it's just
>>> when I stand up for myself, who knows.
> 
> Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> Are you in need to be nurtured ?
> 
> Are you fishing for quarrel ?
> 
> 
This was a joke.
Also, playing the victim is never a good way to go ;-)
> Have a nice day :)
> 
> Thomas
> 

-- 
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Re: Repair partition after dd

[tomas]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 10:09:17AM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,

[good advise, as always from Thomas]

> (If enough empty storage is available, then i'd advise to make a plain
> copy of /dev/sda5 before beginning to fiddle with it.)

Oh, yes. Forgot that. Make *always* a copy and play on that. Always.

If your data is worth anything (and you're going to pour tens of hours
into it), then some external HD (or a stick) is totally worth it.

Don't rush it :)

Cheers
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Re: Repair partition after dd

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Testdisk is more about the file system structure, whereas PhotoRec tries
> to rescue (portions of) files based on content.

Since the partition now begins by a valid and complete ISO 9660 filesystem
it might be necessary to deface the filesystem before any search for
remnants of the original file system structure can get onto the right track.

So if the rescue effort does not show sufficient results, then the whole
ISO filesystem could be erased in order to point the rescue team to the
interesting rest of the partition.

Erasing the whole ISO would be quite similar to the original mistake:

- Determine the byte size of the ISO image that was copied to /dev/sda5.

- To get some reasonable throughput, divide the byte size by 2048 which
  will yield the block count. Let's assume the result is 714752.

- Now zeroize the ISO's range in /dev/sda5:
dd if=/dev/zero bs=2048 count=714752 of=/dev/sda5

(If enough empty storage is available, then i'd advise to make a plain
copy of /dev/sda5 before beginning to fiddle with it.)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Working for free

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > I "disappeared" because I had nothing more to say.  Also apparently
> > any time I say anything, I'm perceived as a jerk.  Or maybe it's just
> > when I stand up for myself, who knows.

Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Are you in need to be nurtured ?

Are you fishing for quarrel ?


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Repair partition after dd

[tomas]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 12:26:29PM +0500, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:

[...]

> >>   testdisk
> >(Formerly called PhotoRec) [...]

> It looks like these two are different programs with different purposes.
> https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Main_Page

(I guess the above snippet is what you're referring to). Yes. To be more
precise: Debian package `testdisk' encompasses testdisk and PhotoRec.

Testdisk is more about the file system structure, whereas PhotoRec tries
to rescue (portions of) files based on content.

Cheers
 - t


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Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-07-13 2:59 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:

> I "disappeared" because I had nothing more to say.  Also apparently
> any time I say anything, I'm perceived as a jerk.  Or maybe it's just
> when I stand up for myself, who knows.

Are you in need to be nurtured ?

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Re: Repair partition after dd

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 14.07.2021 11:55, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 10:40:20PM -0400, songbird wrote:

Andrea Neroni wrote:
...

Question: having those information, is it possible to repair the partition =
to a state where I can copy away as much data I can and how can I do it?
Thanks to everybody!


   testdisk

(Formerly called PhotoRec). Yes, I had good results with that, too. Same-named
Debian package.

Cheers
  - t

It looks like these two are different programs with different purposes.
https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Main_Page

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Re: Bref rapport d'investissement pour mai 2021

[steve]

Bonjour Xavier,

Oui bien reçu. Mais c'est celui de mai, je pensais qu'on parlait de
celui de juin (mais c'est probablement trop tôt).

Par ailleurs, j'ai posté ce matin les documents pour le mandat de
gestion.

Excellente journée

Meilleures salutations
Steve


Le 14-07-2021, à 07:03:31 +, xavier.crit...@ubs.com a écrit :


Bonjour Steve,

Encore merci à vous pour la visite et votre confiance!

Je viens de renvoyer le mail. Merci de me confirmer que vous l'avez bien reçu.

Nous restons à votre disposition.

Très bonne journée et courage pour cette dernière ligne droite avant les 
vacances!

Xavier

Re: Boot usb

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

maybe the USB stick mounts automagically if you just plug it out after
copying the ISO and then plug it in again.
(I personally dislike this automount feature.)


Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> I have burned iso image to usb but it is unmounted.

Do you mean that it cannot be mounted ?

It must not be mounted during the copy procedure. Afterwards it should be
mountable by the base device and also by some of its partitions.
In case of amd64 ISO the partition 1 points to the ISO filesystem and
partition 2 points to the FAT filesystem of the EFI System Partition.


> Tried mount sdb; sudo mount /dev/sdb & also sudo mount /dev/sdb1
> But Terminal said "Cannot find in /etc/fstab" in both tries.

This message comes if you omit the name of the mount directory and the
device is not listed in fstab where the system could find the directory
name.

This fails for me:

  $ sudo mount /dev/sdc
  mount: can't find /dev/sdc in /etc/fstab

This succeeds:

  $ mount /dev/sdc /mnt/iso
  mount: /dev/sdc is write-protected, mounting read-only

The message about "write-protected" is normal. It just means that Linux
has no driver for write operations in ISO 9660 filesystems. That's ok,
because booting a Debian ISO needs only readability of the filesystem.

You need an existing directory for the role of "/mnt/iso". It should be
empty. I made my "/mnt/iso" by

  $ mkdir /mnt/iso

although this is quite oldfashioned. Meanwhile the mount points of
removable media have different names (for the bleeping automats).
Whatever, any directory will do. Just don't use one with important files
in it, because they will be hidden while the directory is used as mount
point.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas