Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification
I think Todd pretty much hit the nail on the head. Remember, I proposed that we would put all negative weight filters first, then anything we considered mandatory (including particular tests and filters we want to log), then the QUITIFWEIGHT test would start. I do understand that it is desirable to run all tests if we want to measure the worth of each. However, I want to control when I test, and that is not 24/365 on everything. In production, I want a message to accumulate sufficient points to fail, and then stop testing it and go on to the next message. I delete at 30. Why would I care that a message accumulates 600 at the end of the run when it scores 35 on the first three tests and I could have tested other messages while this one accumulated the extra points? -Dave - Original Message - From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification If a filter is skipped by SKIPIFWEIGHT, at that point I am not concerned about logging that filter, as I do not want it to run. Remember, SKIPIFWEIGHT is only for filters. However, what if a message gets a high weight early, but then would get a negative weight from a filter? You took action before the message had a chance to get the negative weight. What if you are checking to see the effectiveness of one test compared to others? If processing is stopped short, that test may not be run on all messages. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification John- Doesn't SKIPIFWEIGHT also defeat the logging of the skipped tests? -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:04 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification I would like to see the SKIPIFWEIGHT option removed. If we had a conditional option to stop when a specific weight is reached, then there would be not need for SKIPIFWEIGHT. In addition, why would anyone use SKIPIFWEIGHT on less than every test...and why would anyone define one test with a different SKIPIFWEIGHT value than another test? This leads me back to a HOLDIFWEIGHT/DELETEIFWEIGHT logic which optionally stops processing when reached. Coming in late some my comments may be off. Scott has stated before that to stop all processing once a certain weight has been reached would be difficult and/or problematic. That is where SKIPIFWEIGHT comes in. I use SKIPIFWEIGHT on all body filters, as those are the most expensive in terms of CPU cost. I then have body filters listed in order, from most effective to least effective or specific target. Example, I have a custom body filter on my server for one client only. That is the last filter to run. Also, another reason to not stop processing is if you are doing log analysis and adjust filters or blocks based on that analysis. If you stop processing at say 35, but the message would have failed 5 other tests, those tests will then not show up in log analysis. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Email Marketing
I need some help with a request I got yesterday from our marketing dept. I walk into work yesterday to find that marketing, in their infinite wisdom, have decided to start doing email marketing. Of course they didn't involve any technical people until I stumbled across the rumor of such activity. They want to use various data sources (like those bowls you drop your business card into at a restaurant to win a free lunch) to send out announcements, promotions, special offers etc. I quickly told them that before they do anything like that they need to sit down and listen to what some of the ramifications of doing this are. So here is my dilemma: These people are VERY non-technical and my greatest worry as the mail admin is that some bright marketing person is going to sit down with Outlook, plug a bunch of customer names into their address book and start sending out spam. I know we fight external spammers but how do you combat the possibility of one of your users doing so? I know the benefits of a well-run email marketing campaign, but as we all know, the difference between that and SPAM is a very thin line. For example, I have no idea if we state anywhere that by dropping your business card in the bowl you agree to receive commercial messages from us (and therefore I won't let them use that as a source for this.) I know on our web site we ask permission but we have never done anything with these lists of customers before and frankly I don't know the best way to proceed with this. How would you go about explaining the technical ramifications of proceeding with email marketing (ie: potentially getting blacklisted, setting up a good double opt-in/opt-out mechanism, etc.) to a set of users that won't understand it if you tell them that you can't just sit down and start sending away. Thanks for the help in advance! Andy Ognenoff Online Systems Administrator Direct: (262)250-2860 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Cousins Submarines, Inc. http://www.cousinssubs.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
Seems that there is a lot of chatter on the mailing list right now with tests etc that are not in the manual. I am curious will a new manual be released, or does anyone have any good explanations of some of these tests on their sites? The general rule of thumb is that the manual is updated to include new tests (and other features) whenever a released version comes out. For betas (and interim releases), the features are discussed on the list. Scott, for what it's worth, our Declude maintenance is up for renewal, and one of the questions I got asked was when there would be an updated printed manual that our less-experienced admins could understand. Don't worry, the maintenance will definitely get paid, but now one of my tasks in my free time is to write an admin manual for our staff for Declude's products. Food for thought as some/many of the features of Declude are becoming more regularly available from competitors and even Ipswitch. Jeff --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Email Marketing
Ok let me resume: 1.) it's a non-tecnical person 2.) his task is to sell more 3.) he don't know what means being flooded with marketing mails because you filter them out all of this trash. Solution: disable spam filtering for this guy (or bether the entire marketing dept) Say nothing to anyone until they ask you. Then explain that this are the same mails he want to send out in the future. Markus ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Ognenoff Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Email Marketing I need some help with a request I got yesterday from our marketing dept. I walk into work yesterday to find that marketing, in their infinite wisdom, have decided to start doing email marketing. Of course they didn't involve any technical people until I stumbled across the rumor of such activity. They want to use various data sources (like those bowls you drop your business card into at a restaurant to win a free lunch) to send out announcements, promotions, special offers etc. I quickly told them that before they do anything like that they need to sit down and listen to what some of the ramifications of doing this are. So here is my dilemma: These people are VERY non-technical and my greatest worry as the mail admin is that some bright marketing person is going to sit down with Outlook, plug a bunch of customer names into their address book and start sending out spam. I know we fight external spammers but how do you combat the possibility of one of your users doing so? I know the benefits of a well-run email marketing campaign, but as we all know, the difference between that and SPAM is a very thin line. For example, I have no idea if we state anywhere that by dropping your business card in the bowl you agree to receive commercial messages from us (and therefore I won't let them use that as a source for this.) I know on our web site we ask permission but we have never done anything with these lists of customers before and frankly I don't know the best way to proceed with this. How would you go about explaining the technical ramifications of proceeding with email marketing (ie: potentially getting blacklisted, setting up a good double opt-in/opt-out mechanism, etc.) to a set of users that won't understand it if you tell them that you can't just sit down and start sending away. Thanks for the help in advance! Andy Ognenoff Online Systems Administrator Direct: (262)250-2860 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Cousins Submarines, Inc. http://www.cousinssubs.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Email Marketing
So here is my dilemma: These people are VERY non-technical and my greatest worry as the mail admin is that some bright marketing person is going to sit down with Outlook, plug a bunch of customer names into their address book and start sending out spam. I know we fight external spammers but how do you combat the possibility of one of your users doing so? The first thing I would do is check to see if your Internet provider has a TOS that prohibits spamming (which is very likely). If so, you may want to pass that information on to the marketing department. If they know that their actions could risk the company losing Internet access even temporarily, they will likely think twice about it. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask about our free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
Scott, for what it's worth, our Declude maintenance is up for renewal, and one of the questions I got asked was when there would be an updated printed manual that our less-experienced admins could understand. Don't worry, the maintenance will definitely get paid, but now one of my tasks in my free time is to write an admin manual for our staff for Declude's products. Thanks for pointing this out. A major overhaul to the manual by a technical writer is something that has been on the to do list for some time. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask about our free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Email Marketing
The first thing I would do is check to see if your Internet provider has a TOS that prohibits spamming (which is very likely). If so, you may want to pass that information on to the marketing department. If they know that their actions could risk the company losing Internet access even temporarily, they will likely think twice about it. Understood...but what they want to do is not what I would classify as spam if it's done correctly. Gathering email addresses from people who opt-in to receive special offers or news and sending out those special offers to only those people wouldn't be spam. My question was really how do I explain what the technical aspects of running a legit email marketing campaign involve and perhaps helping me compile a list of those technical aspects so I don't accidentally leave any out. Have no fear...if I can't make them understand the difference between a legit email campaign and SPAM they won't be doing it at all. :) - Andy --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Email Marketing
Andy, Harvesting from business cards dropped in a fish bowl is not a best practice, even if they feel justified in doing so. Address collection should be done by a method that follows MAPS standards, and E-mail campaigns need to follow their same best standards as well. Even if you do so, you will likely still find yourselves vulnerable to places like SpamCop. Basic Mailing List Management Guidelines for Preventing Abuse http://www.mail-abuse.org/manage.html Matt Andy Ognenoff wrote: The first thing I would do is check to see if your Internet provider has a TOS that prohibits spamming (which is very likely). If so, you may want to pass that information on to the marketing department. If they know that their actions could risk the company losing Internet access even temporarily, they will likely think twice about it. Understood...but what they want to do is not what I would classify as spam if it's done correctly. Gathering email addresses from people who opt-in to receive special offers or news and sending out those special offers to only those people wouldn't be spam. My question was really how do I explain what the technical aspects of running a legit email marketing campaign involve and perhaps helping me compile a list of those technical aspects so I don't accidentally leave any out. Have no fear...if I can't make them understand the difference between a legit email campaign and SPAM they won't be doing it at all. :) - Andy --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper
Why not use Kami's Nigerian Filter? He's done all of the work for you. Just remember to thank him. That sounds interesting, how about a pointer to Kami's site/email/etc.? (Or am I just too far out of it and missed the obvious location somehwere...?) Thanks, and in advance, thanks to Kami and everyone who has created a filter which I might ever use or use for inspiration. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper Hello, All, I'm looking for a type of utility that either specifically was written to do what I describe below or a utility which is a broad-based text massaging/manipulation utility which could be twisted to do the following. I would like a utility that I could feed the bodies of nigerian scam letters into and it would basically create a list of all phrases of world length X to Y where X and Y are both numbers. It would capture information from each scam letter that I feed in and would generate an ordered list of each time the X to Y word length phrase appears in each letter. So, for example, if my X and Y were 3 and 5 it would generate a list of all 3 word, 4 word and 5 word phrases found in each message. Then it would add 1 to the tally of each time this phrase is found in any given unique nigerian scam letter. After I submit a certain letters, e.g. 20 (?), I would have a list of very commonly found phrases in Nigerian scam letters. I could then create a custom filter for DJM based on those phrases. Ultimately my filter might look something like... # JunkMail.Filter.Nigerian.txt BODY 10 CONTAINS Nigerian Federal Ministry BODY 10 CONTAINS prayed for ALLAHS devine mercies BODY 10 CONTAINS shores of Nigeria BODY 10 CONTAINS we solicit for your I was hoping that their might be a small utility that some of the Nigerian scam fighting organizations had released to generate keyphrase lists. Does this sound like a decent idea? Are there any good utilities to do this? Or is this something I'd have to write myself? Would it be prohibitively complicated to write a program like this for a person who hasn't done much programming? Or is this pretty straightforward? Thanks In Advance, Dan -- - Sign up for virus-free and spam-free e-mail with Nexus Technology Group http://www.nexustechgroup.com/mailscan --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Email Marketing
Hi Andy- I get this question for my customers a couple of times a month. Of course, we prohibit such activity. We usually send them to one of the list houses that specialize in this kind of thing. Microsoft's B-Central lets you create a list and mail to it, and there are many others that are cheaper. Moving this activity off your mail server and onto a specialist's limits - but does not eliminate - the likelihood that you will get on a blacklist. Some aggressive folks will blacklist anything relating to the sending domain regardless of its actual source. Also, be sure to install and use Hijack. Configure it to prevent the kind of freelance activity you are worried about. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Email Marketing
I know this suggestion was kind of tongue-in-cheek, but we did exactly this for one of our Marketing wonderboys. After 3 days, just three days, he came into my office waving his white handkerchief and begging for mercy. The message was sent better than any discussion could have, technical or not. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Markus Gufler Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Email Marketing Ok let me resume: 1.) it's a non-tecnical person 2.) his task is to sell more 3.) he don't know what means being flooded with marketing mails because you filter them out all of this trash. Solution: disable spam filtering for this guy (or bether the entire marketing dept) Say nothing to anyone until they ask you. Then explain that this are the same mails he want to send out in the future. Markus ;-) --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper
I have been testing Kami's Nigerian filter and found that in 3 days it flagged 56 email and only caught out of 5 nigerian scam emails. I do not see this as a fault of Kami's effort but a fault of filtering. Some of the line are very common in ligitimate email. I even lowered all the weights to match our weighting scores. We will not be using it. Once I did that then the nigerian scam email did not get enough weight to be flagged properly. For the effort it is not worth the results, in my opinion. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 7:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper Why not use Kami's Nigerian Filter? He's done all of the work for you. Just remember to thank him. That sounds interesting, how about a pointer to Kami's site/email/etc.? (Or am I just too far out of it and missed the obvious location somehwere...?) Thanks, and in advance, thanks to Kami and everyone who has created a filter which I might ever use or use for inspiration. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper Hello, All, I'm looking for a type of utility that either specifically was written to do what I describe below or a utility which is a broad-based text massaging/manipulation utility which could be twisted to do the following. I would like a utility that I could feed the bodies of nigerian scam letters into and it would basically create a list of all phrases of world length X to Y where X and Y are both numbers. It would capture information from each scam letter that I feed in and would generate an ordered list of each time the X to Y word length phrase appears in each letter. So, for example, if my X and Y were 3 and 5 it would generate a list of all 3 word, 4 word and 5 word phrases found in each message. Then it would add 1 to the tally of each time this phrase is found in any given unique nigerian scam letter. After I submit a certain letters, e.g. 20 (?), I would have a list of very commonly found phrases in Nigerian scam letters. I could then create a custom filter for DJM based on those phrases. Ultimately my filter might look something like... # JunkMail.Filter.Nigerian.txt BODY 10 CONTAINS Nigerian Federal Ministry BODY 10 CONTAINS prayed for ALLAHS devine mercies BODY 10 CONTAINS shores of Nigeria BODY 10 CONTAINS we solicit for your I was hoping that their might be a small utility that some of the Nigerian scam fighting organizations had released to generate keyphrase lists. Does this sound like a decent idea? Are there any good utilities to do this? Or is this something I'd have to write myself? Would it be prohibitively complicated to write a program like this for a person who hasn't done much programming? Or is this pretty straightforward? Thanks In Advance, Dan -- - Sign up for virus-free and spam-free e-mail with Nexus Technology Group http://www.nexustechgroup.com/mailscan --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper
Interesting, in my testing it has only produced 3 FP, and those would not have been held except that they had other problems as well. As has been said, you mileage may vary. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 9:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper I have been testing Kami's Nigerian filter and found that in 3 days it flagged 56 email and only caught out of 5 nigerian scam emails. I do not see this as a fault of Kami's effort but a fault of filtering. Some of the line are very common in ligitimate email. I even lowered all the weights to match our weighting scores. We will not be using it. Once I did that then the nigerian scam email did not get enough weight to be flagged properly. For the effort it is not worth the results, in my opinion. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 7:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper Why not use Kami's Nigerian Filter? He's done all of the work for you. Just remember to thank him. That sounds interesting, how about a pointer to Kami's site/email/etc.? (Or am I just too far out of it and missed the obvious location somehwere...?) Thanks, and in advance, thanks to Kami and everyone who has created a filter which I might ever use or use for inspiration. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper Hello, All, I'm looking for a type of utility that either specifically was written to do what I describe below or a utility which is a broad-based text massaging/manipulation utility which could be twisted to do the following. I would like a utility that I could feed the bodies of nigerian scam letters into and it would basically create a list of all phrases of world length X to Y where X and Y are both numbers. It would capture information from each scam letter that I feed in and would generate an ordered list of each time the X to Y word length phrase appears in each letter. So, for example, if my X and Y were 3 and 5 it would generate a list of all 3 word, 4 word and 5 word phrases found in each message. Then it would add 1 to the tally of each time this phrase is found in any given unique nigerian scam letter. After I submit a certain letters, e.g. 20 (?), I would have a list of very commonly found phrases in Nigerian scam letters. I could then create a custom filter for DJM based on those phrases. Ultimately my filter might look something like... # JunkMail.Filter.Nigerian.txt BODY 10 CONTAINS Nigerian Federal Ministry BODY 10 CONTAINS prayed for ALLAHS devine mercies BODY 10 CONTAINS shores of Nigeria BODY 10 CONTAINS we solicit for your I was hoping that their might be a small utility that some of the Nigerian scam fighting organizations had released to generate keyphrase lists. Does this sound like a decent idea? Are there any good utilities to do this? Or is this something I'd have to write myself? Would it be prohibitively complicated to write a program like this for a person who hasn't done much programming? Or is this pretty straightforward? Thanks In Advance, Dan -- - Sign up for virus-free and spam-free e-mail with Nexus Technology Group http://www.nexustechgroup.com/mailscan --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper
Correction: That should be only caught 2 out of 5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 9:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper I have been testing Kami's Nigerian filter and found that in 3 days it flagged 56 email and only caught out of 5 nigerian scam emails. I do not see this as a fault of Kami's effort but a fault of filtering. Some of the line are very common in ligitimate email. I even lowered all the weights to match our weighting scores. We will not be using it. Once I did that then the nigerian scam email did not get enough weight to be flagged properly. For the effort it is not worth the results, in my opinion. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 7:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper Why not use Kami's Nigerian Filter? He's done all of the work for you. Just remember to thank him. That sounds interesting, how about a pointer to Kami's site/email/etc.? (Or am I just too far out of it and missed the obvious location somehwere...?) Thanks, and in advance, thanks to Kami and everyone who has created a filter which I might ever use or use for inspiration. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper Hello, All, I'm looking for a type of utility that either specifically was written to do what I describe below or a utility which is a broad-based text massaging/manipulation utility which could be twisted to do the following. I would like a utility that I could feed the bodies of nigerian scam letters into and it would basically create a list of all phrases of world length X to Y where X and Y are both numbers. It would capture information from each scam letter that I feed in and would generate an ordered list of each time the X to Y word length phrase appears in each letter. So, for example, if my X and Y were 3 and 5 it would generate a list of all 3 word, 4 word and 5 word phrases found in each message. Then it would add 1 to the tally of each time this phrase is found in any given unique nigerian scam letter. After I submit a certain letters, e.g. 20 (?), I would have a list of very commonly found phrases in Nigerian scam letters. I could then create a custom filter for DJM based on those phrases. Ultimately my filter might look something like... # JunkMail.Filter.Nigerian.txt BODY 10 CONTAINS Nigerian Federal Ministry BODY 10 CONTAINS prayed for ALLAHS devine mercies BODY 10 CONTAINS shores of Nigeria BODY 10 CONTAINS we solicit for your I was hoping that their might be a small utility that some of the Nigerian scam fighting organizations had released to generate keyphrase lists. Does this sound like a decent idea? Are there any good utilities to do this? Or is this something I'd have to write myself? Would it be prohibitively complicated to write a program like this for a person who hasn't done much programming? Or is this pretty straightforward? Thanks In Advance, Dan -- - Sign up for virus-free and spam-free e-mail with Nexus Technology Group http://www.nexustechgroup.com/mailscan --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper
Matt, this filter won't get run unless an E-mail gets past almost everything else with a score less than 28 on my system How are you accomplishing that? Are you uising SKIPIFWEIGHT on the filter? -Dave
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper
Kevin, I also have been using Kami's Nigerian stuff, however I modified it a great deal and removed some of the lines that I felt were too common, I reduced scores, and capped the score at 80% of my hold weight. The result is that it only hit 0.06% of my total mail volume across a 3 day period earlier this week, however this filter won't get run unless an E-mail gets past almost everything else with a score less than 28 on my system, which is about 85% on average. I feel that this is working correctly, and it does score some things that are very hard to catch with other filters. Sniffer also does a good job with this stuff, so between the two, I think I'm pretty well protected. Attached is a copy of Kami's filter that was modified as described above. I think this may improve your results. Matt Kevin Bilbee wrote: I have been testing Kami's Nigerian filter and found that in 3 days it flagged 56 email and only caught out of 5 nigerian scam emails. I do not see this as a fault of Kami's effort but a fault of filtering. Some of the line are very common in ligitimate email. I even lowered all the weights to match our weighting scores. We will not be using it. Once I did that then the nigerian scam email did not get enough weight to be flagged properly. For the effort it is not worth the results, in my opinion. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 7:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] "Nigerian" Filter Creator Helper Why not use Kami's Nigerian Filter? He's done all of the work for you. Just remember to thank him. That sounds interesting, how about a pointer to Kami's site/email/etc.? (Or am I just too far out of it and missed the obvious location somehwere...?) Thanks, and in advance, thanks to Kami and everyone who has created a filter which I might ever use or use for inspiration. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] "Nigerian" Filter Creator Helper Hello, All, I'm looking for a type of utility that either specifically was written to do what I describe below or a utility which is a broad-based text massaging/manipulation utility which could be twisted to do the following. I would like a utility that I could feed the bodies of nigerian scam letters into and it would basically create a list of all phrases of world length X to Y where X and Y are both numbers. It would capture information from each scam letter that I feed in and would generate an ordered list of each time the X to Y word length phrase appears in each letter. So, for example, if my X and Y were 3 and 5 it would generate a list of all 3 word, 4 word and 5 word phrases found in each message. Then it would add 1 to the tally of each time this phrase is found in any given unique nigerian scam letter. After I submit a certain letters, e.g. 20 (?), I would have a list of very commonly found phrases in Nigerian scam letters. I could then create a custom filter for DJM based on those phrases. Ultimately my filter might look something like... # JunkMail.Filter.Nigerian.txt BODY 10 CONTAINS Nigerian Federal Ministry BODY 10 CONTAINS prayed for ALLAHS devine mercies BODY 10 CONTAINS shores of Nigeria BODY 10 CONTAINS we solicit for your I was hoping that their might be a small utility that some of the Nigerian scam fighting organizations had released to generate keyphrase lists. Does this sound like a decent idea? Are there any good utilities to do this? Or is this something I'd have to write myself? Would it be prohibitively complicated to write a program like this for a person who hasn't done much programming? Or is this pretty straightforward? Thanks In Advance, Dan -- - Sign up for virus-free and spam-free e-mail with Nexus Technology Group http://www.nexustechgroup.com/mailscan --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude
Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper
Hello Kevin, Friday, January 23, 2004, 12:37:37 PM, you wrote: KB I have been testing Kami's Nigerian filter and found that in 3 days it KB flagged 56 email and only caught out of 5 nigerian scam emails. KB I do not see this as a fault of Kami's effort but a fault of filtering. Some KB of the line are very common in ligitimate email. I even lowered all the KB weights to match our weighting scores. We will not be using it. Once I did KB that then the nigerian scam email did not get enough weight to be flagged KB properly. KB For the effort it is not worth the results, in my opinion. Sniffer has a number of rules for nigerian scam email. So far we've never had a reported false positive for one of those rules. Perhaps the reason is that we can provide more complex filtering matching combinations of phrases from different segments of the message. _M __ Peter G McNeil (Madscientist, CodeDweller) President, MicroNeil Research Corporation. Chief SortMonster, www.SortMonster.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper
Yes. I also have it very near the bottom of my list because it has a lot of body searches, and it rarely gets hit. Even so, setting SKIPIFWEIGHT to 28 while holding at 10 and deleting at 25 means that my best custom filter tops out at 3% of total mail volume. Even GIBBERISH only gets hit 1.21% of the time, however without SKIPIFWEIGHT and proper ordering, it would probably do over 5 times that amount. Here's some stats, but note that SNIFFER was a trial version for this period and would have scored much higher. My weight tests are as follows: HIGH-MAILPURE - Scored between 10 and 24 and was held. MED-MAILPURE - Scored between 13 and 24 and was held. LOW-MAILPURE - Scored between 16 and 24 and was held. DELETE - Scored 25+ and was deleted. Matt TEST # FAILED Percentage NOLEGITCONTENT...22,816...86.96% DELETE...21,592...82.30% IPNOTINMX21,551...82.14% SPAMCOP(ALL).17,664...67.33% SPAMCOP(DYNA)17,281...65.87% SNIFFER-GENERAL..15,120...57.63% CMDSPACE.13,911...53.02% MAILPOLICE-BULK..10,104...38.51% DSBL(ALL).9,606...36.61% DSBL(DYNA)9,520...36.29% SBL...8,716...33.22% XBL(ALL)..8,422...32.10% XBL(DYNA).8,259...31.48% FIVETEN-SPAM(ALL).7,522...28.67% FIVETEN-SPAM(DYNA)7,270...27.71% SORBS-DUL.6,471...24.66% NJABL-DYNA6,297...24.00% RFC-NOABUSE(DUL)..6,253...23.83% AHBL-SOURCES..5,296...20.19% BADHEADERS5,204...19.84% RFC-NOPOSTMASTER(DUL).5,008...19.09% HELOBOGUS.4,207...16.04% NJABL-SOURCES.3,812...14.53% NJABL-PROXIES(ALL)3,582...13.65% NJABL-PROXIES(DYNA)...3,435...13.09% SORBS-SPAM(ALL)...3,191...12.16% SORBS-SPAM(DYNA)..3,152...12.01% SPAMDOMAINS...3,065...11.68% FIVETEN-SUPPORT...2,897...11.04% SORBS-SOCKS(ALL)..2,750...10.48% SORBS-SOCKS(DYNA).2,650...10.10% ROUTING...2,645...10.08% SORBS-HTTP(ALL)...2,5049.54% SORBS-HTTP(DYNA)..2,4109.19% BRAMBSTER.2,3999.14% AHBL-PROXIES(ALL).2,3709.03% AHBL-PROXIES(DYNA)2,2928.74% RFC-DSN(DUL)..2,0807.93% CONCEALED.1,8176.93% SPAMHEADERS...1,3865.28% BASE641,2874.91% SPAMINDICATIVE..9713.70% NJABL-DUL...9573.65% BLITZEDALL(ALL).9563.64% BLITZEDALL(DYNA)8763.34% MAILFROM7772.96% SUBSPACE-15.6972.66% FIVETEN-BULK6142.34% HIGH-MAILPURE...6122.33% PSEUDO-WHITE5652.15% SBBL(ALL)...5432.07% SBBL(DYNA)..5402.06% SOLID(ALL)..5262.00% RFC-BOGUSMX(DUL)5021.91% MED-MAILPURE4951.89% DYNAMIC.4731.80% SOLID(DYNA).4261.62% SUBSPACE-25.4161.59% LOW-MAILPURE4101.56% FORGEDHTML..4031.54% ATTACHMENT..3801.45% COMMMENTS...3351.28% KAMI-COMBINED...3321.27% GIBBERISH...3171.21% FOREIGN.2520.96% SUBSPACE-40.2510.96% WORDFILTER-BODY.2360.90% SNIFFER-MALWARE.2350.90% NJABL-RELAYS(ALL)...2200.84% BADCOUNTRYNOREVDNS..2160.82% NJABL-RELAYS(DYNA)..2150.82% BOUNCED.1980.75% SPAMPOSITIVE1800.69% SORBS-MISC(ALL).1770.67% WORDFILTER-SUBJECT..1710.65% MAILPOLICE-PORN.1630.62% SORBS-MISC(DYNA)1610.61% ORDB(ALL)...1590.61% ORDB(DYNA)..1370.52% BASE64SUB...1240.47% IPLINKED1100.42% DEADMAIL.920.35% PUBLICADDRESS890.34% PSEUDO-BLACK.760.29% GIBBERISHSUB.620.24% NONENGLISH...500.19% @LINKED..350.13% FORGEDHELO-IP350.13% TLD-WESTERNEUROPEAN..350.13% WORDFILTER-MAILFROM..350.13% FORGEDFROM...340.13% ORDB-MODULE(DYNA)330.13% ANTIVIRUS260.10%
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Email Marketing
Basic Mailing List Management Guidelines for Preventing Abuse http://www.mail-abuse.org/manage.html Thanks Matt...that was exactly what I was looking for. Would a place like EmailLabs (http://www.emaillabs.com) be a good place to investigate or does anyone else have the name of a good (read best-practice-following) list hosting service? - Andy --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
I agree that a manual is greatly needed. the value of all the new tests is greatly diminished if there is not adequate documentation. Searching through the archives and reading the discussions my be a good thing to do if you are having trouble understanding the manual but to search the archives to learn the features in the first place is prohibitive for anyone who is performing multiple functions. Once you release your next version I would suggest taking the time to create a comprehensive manual. that will be more value to your customers than new features. If they do not know how to implement the current features then new features are not going to be of any value either. For the people that can spend the time and monitor the group full time and experiment with new features when they are in beta I commend you. But not all of us have the time to do that. WE NEED A MANUAL TO QUICKLY AND EFFICITENTLY IMPLEMENT DECLUDES FEATURES. If you document the usage of the new features while you are creating them you would save yourself and your customers a lot of time. Make the documentation part of your development cycle If you hire a technical writer they are going to require it, so start it now, make the usage notes available, it will save us all time and aggravation. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 7:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual Scott, for what it's worth, our Declude maintenance is up for renewal, and one of the questions I got asked was when there would be an updated printed manual that our less-experienced admins could understand. Don't worry, the maintenance will definitely get paid, but now one of my tasks in my free time is to write an admin manual for our staff for Declude's products. Thanks for pointing this out. A major overhaul to the manual by a technical writer is something that has been on the to do list for some time. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask about our free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
I agreebetter documentation...please! - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 11:06 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual I agree that a manual is greatly needed. the value of all the new tests is greatly diminished if there is not adequate documentation. Searching through the archives and reading the discussions my be a good thing to do if you are having trouble understanding the manual but to search the archives to learn the features in the first place is prohibitive for anyone who is performing multiple functions. Once you release your next version I would suggest taking the time to create a comprehensive manual. that will be more value to your customers than new features. If they do not know how to implement the current features then new features are not going to be of any value either. For the people that can spend the time and monitor the group full time and experiment with new features when they are in beta I commend you. But not all of us have the time to do that. WE NEED A MANUAL TO QUICKLY AND EFFICITENTLY IMPLEMENT DECLUDES FEATURES. If you document the usage of the new features while you are creating them you would save yourself and your customers a lot of time. Make the documentation part of your development cycle If you hire a technical writer they are going to require it, so start it now, make the usage notes available, it will save us all time and aggravation. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 7:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual Scott, for what it's worth, our Declude maintenance is up for renewal, and one of the questions I got asked was when there would be an updated printed manual that our less-experienced admins could understand. Don't worry, the maintenance will definitely get paid, but now one of my tasks in my free time is to write an admin manual for our staff for Declude's products. Thanks for pointing this out. A major overhaul to the manual by a technical writer is something that has been on the to do list for some time. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask about our free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by The Calsoft Anti-Virus Scanner] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by The Calsoft Anti-Virus Scanner] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Email Marketing
Listservs that service small companies are commonly very dirty and have RBL issues, bCentral for instance is terrible. As far as other companies go, you need to make sure that they don't also operate under other identities, or service dirty lists as a practice. Experian/exactis.com, MindShareDesign.com/PostMasterGeneral.com/pm0.com/mb00.com/ms00.net/mg00.net/etc., and BriteTrusted.com/BriteCast.com all have a mix of legit "best-practices" senders as well as stuff that is collected through third parties and what we would generally consider to be spam, despite their own claimed policies. EmailLabs has not come up on my radar screen as of yet, but a great way to research them would be to check the abuse newsgroups, but you need to weed out the complaints from people that consider all advertising to be spam, nothing comes up absolutely clean. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=enlr=ie=ISO-8859-1scoring=dq=EmailLabs+group%3A*abuse*btnG=Google+Search Also search for the domains that they use, which you should be able to find. Matt Andy Ognenoff wrote: Basic Mailing List Management Guidelines for Preventing Abuse http://www.mail-abuse.org/manage.html Thanks Matt...that was exactly what I was looking for. Would a place like EmailLabs (http://www.emaillabs.com) be a good place to investigate or does anyone else have the name of a good (read best-practice-following) list hosting service? - Andy --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
I have not renewed my Junkmail SA due to the lack of an updated manual. If Scott would spend the same amount of time updating the manul as he does explaining to the list how features work, the manual would be current. Monitoring and researching list archives is fine for free or diy software but for a paid product with stable features it's unacceptable. Mike --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
I have not renewed my Junkmail SA due to the lack of an updated manual. If Scott would spend the same amount of time updating the manul as he does explaining to the list how features work, the manual would be current. Monitoring and researching list archives is fine for free or diy software but for a paid product with stable features it's unacceptable. There seem to be two main issues with the manual. [1] It needs an overhaul by a technical writer. [2] It does not include all the features that are available in the latest beta, and #1 is something that has been an issue for some time. We actually did look for a technical writer a while back, but there was a snag that prevented it from being completed. We are definitely planning on addressing this. As far as #2 goes, unfortunately, if we add beta features to the manual, there are several problems. First, customers are going to get frustrated that they cannot use features shown in the manual (which would cost us more for support, too). Second, we would have to make many changes to the manual as beta features are altered. Third, I'm sure that if we were to add beta features to the manual, a lot of people would then expect them for interim releases. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask about our free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper
Hmmm. I tag the subject on weight 14 to 19, delete on 20+. I've had Sniffer weighted at 18 for a while. Reduced it to 16 a couple days ago after adding some additional SORBS tests that are in the lastest global.cfg. Anyway, I've had several Nigerian-type scam emails come through without failing ANY tests. Glenn Z. - Original Message - From: Madscientist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:15 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper Hello Kevin, Friday, January 23, 2004, 12:37:37 PM, you wrote: KB I have been testing Kami's Nigerian filter and found that in 3 days it KB flagged 56 email and only caught out of 5 nigerian scam emails. KB I do not see this as a fault of Kami's effort but a fault of filtering. Some KB of the line are very common in ligitimate email. I even lowered all the KB weights to match our weighting scores. We will not be using it. Once I did KB that then the nigerian scam email did not get enough weight to be flagged KB properly. KB For the effort it is not worth the results, in my opinion. Sniffer has a number of rules for nigerian scam email. So far we've never had a reported false positive for one of those rules. Perhaps the reason is that we can provide more complex filtering matching combinations of phrases from different segments of the message. _M __ Peter G McNeil (Madscientist, CodeDweller) President, MicroNeil Research Corporation. Chief SortMonster, www.SortMonster.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
Keep it up guys and you'll be forced to wait for a full release to get some of these new features that add such extreme functionality to this product. If you don't like the way Scott does this, only use the latest full release with features covered in the manual. My $.02.N. Mathews[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: "Mike K" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 01/23/2004 02:50PMSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ManualI have not renewed my Junkmail SA due to the lack of an updated manual.If Scott would spend the same amount of time updating the manul as he doesexplaining to the list how features work, the manual would be current.Monitoring and researching list archives is fine for free or diy softwarebut for a paid product with stable features it's unacceptable.Mike---[This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)]---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.--- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
Scott: Your abilities as a writer are fine. I have seem many of your explanations on use of features and for most I think they would suffice. They just need to be put in the online manual at the same time you post a message to the list. I agree that beta features should not be in the main manual but could be listed in a separate change.log file or in a beta/interim release file. Mike - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual I have not renewed my Junkmail SA due to the lack of an updated manual. If Scott would spend the same amount of time updating the manul as he does explaining to the list how features work, the manual would be current. Monitoring and researching list archives is fine for free or diy software but for a paid product with stable features it's unacceptable. There seem to be two main issues with the manual. [1] It needs an overhaul by a technical writer. [2] It does not include all the features that are available in the latest beta, and #1 is something that has been an issue for some time. We actually did look for a technical writer a while back, but there was a snag that prevented it from being completed. We are definitely planning on addressing this. As far as #2 goes, unfortunately, if we add beta features to the manual, there are several problems. First, customers are going to get frustrated that they cannot use features shown in the manual (which would cost us more for support, too). Second, we would have to make many changes to the manual as beta features are altered. Third, I'm sure that if we were to add beta features to the manual, a lot of people would then expect them for interim releases. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask about our free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
DITTO! The manual is completely updated right now, unless you have volunteered yourself for the beta program. :-) -- --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper
Does the junkmail fire redirect work for aliased domains. It origionally did not. For example I have an alias setup as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and that points to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I put REDIRECT @mail.internal d:\junkmailfiles\strict.junkmail In the $default$.junkmail file will it use the redirect file or use the settings in the $default$.junkmail. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Glenn \\ WCNet Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper Hmmm. I tag the subject on weight 14 to 19, delete on 20+. I've had Sniffer weighted at 18 for a while. Reduced it to 16 a couple days ago after adding some additional SORBS tests that are in the lastest global.cfg. Anyway, I've had several Nigerian-type scam emails come through without failing ANY tests. Glenn Z. - Original Message - From: Madscientist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:15 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper Hello Kevin, Friday, January 23, 2004, 12:37:37 PM, you wrote: KB I have been testing Kami's Nigerian filter and found that in 3 days it KB flagged 56 email and only caught out of 5 nigerian scam emails. KB I do not see this as a fault of Kami's effort but a fault of filtering. Some KB of the line are very common in ligitimate email. I even lowered all the KB weights to match our weighting scores. We will not be using it. Once I did KB that then the nigerian scam email did not get enough weight to be flagged KB properly. KB For the effort it is not worth the results, in my opinion. Sniffer has a number of rules for nigerian scam email. So far we've never had a reported false positive for one of those rules. Perhaps the reason is that we can provide more complex filtering matching combinations of phrases from different segments of the message. _M __ Peter G McNeil (Madscientist, CodeDweller) President, MicroNeil Research Corporation. Chief SortMonster, www.SortMonster.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
At 03:36 PM 1/23/2004, Mike K wrote: Scott: Your abilities as a writer are fine. I have seem many of your explanations on use of features and for most I think they would suffice. They just need to be put in the online manual at the same time you post a message to the list. I agree that beta features should not be in the main manual but could be listed in a separate change.log file or in a beta/interim release file. I agree with this completely. Just a simple change.log file that has the skeleton for the added test, and maybe just a brief definition, would be more than sufficient. I would imagine that Scott and his boys (and possibly girls.. :) probably keep some type of log like this anyways. But definitely keep this stuff out of the main manual. My .02. -Russ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
I think the beta/interim features debate has been done recently, however there are two different things that this effects, first, more info about what these things do, and eventually converging these things into the manual (they're not all there in final release format). Second, and more importantly, bug fixes need to be announced. I've spent time researching things, trying to document them appropriately in order to not waste anyone's time, only to find that the issue was fixed in a more recent interim release. For those that have issues with crashes and other serious matters, the announcement of such things is critical and should be done proactively. I will side with Scott about not announcing new interim functionality outside of this list until it is in final release format because such things always cause a lot of questions and that's a bit counterproductive, but after they hit Beta, they should be documented somewhere, and after a release, they should make it to the manual, even the little things that you can only find in the release notes with one line of text. But bug fixes of any sort should be announced, maybe to an announcement list for those of us that want to sign up. Since I monitor this list closely, I'm very much ahead of the curve, though not completely, and for those that don't read every message here, they lose out on a lot of things. Matt Mike K wrote: Scott: Your abilities as a writer are fine. I have seem many of your explanations on use of features and for most I think they would suffice. They just need to be put in the online manual at the same time you post a message to the list. I agree that beta features should not be in the main manual but could be listed in a separate change.log file or in a beta/interim release file. Mike - Original Message - From: "R. Scott Perry" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual I have not renewed my Junkmail SA due to the lack of an updated manual. If Scott would spend the same amount of time updating the manul as he does explaining to the list how features work, the manual would be current. Monitoring and researching list archives is fine for free or diy software but for a paid product with stable features it's unacceptable. There seem to be two main issues with the manual. [1] It needs an overhaul by a technical writer. [2] It does not include all the features that are available in the latest beta, and #1 is something that has been an issue for some time. We actually did look for a technical writer a while back, but there was a snag that prevented it from being completed. We are definitely planning on addressing this. As far as #2 goes, unfortunately, if we add beta features to the manual, there are several problems. First, customers are going to get frustrated that they cannot use features shown in the manual (which would cost us more for support, too). Second, we would have to make many changes to the manual as beta features are altered. Third, I'm sure that if we were to add beta features to the manual, a lot of people would then expect them for interim releases. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask about our free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper
Does the junkmail fire redirect work for aliased domains. It origionally did not. For example I have an alias setup as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and that points to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I put REDIRECT @mail.internal d:\junkmailfiles\strict.junkmail In the $default$.junkmail file will it use the redirect file or use the settings in the $default$.junkmail. In this case, Declude JunkMail should use the d:\junkmailfiles\strict.junkmail file. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask about our free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
Scott, A better manual would be nice. I grumble when I see you changed it and cannot find where *BUT* if creating a new one takes away from your literal instant tech support, advice on OT subjects, I can live with the system. From my perspective isn't fair for folks that want new features daily like me to also ask for a spiffy manual. I feel it has to be one or the other and for that reason no complaints at all on my end. Great job! -Nick Hayer Subject:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keep it up guys and you'll be forced to wait for a full release to get some of these new features that add such extreme functionality to this product. If you don't like the way Scott does this, only use the latest full release with features covered in the manual. My $.02. N. Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Mike K [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 01/23/2004 02:50PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual I have not renewed my Junkmail SA due to the lack of an updated manual. If Scott would spend the same amount of time updating the manul as he does explaining to the list how features work, the manual would be current. Monitoring and researching list archives is fine for free or diy software but for a paid product with stable features it's unacceptable. Mike --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
Maybe beta's should be by invitation/request only, and distributed only to that group like a normal beta program? At the same time, bug fixes can be applied to the last release, as well as the most recent beta, or only to the beta's if that's all that is affected? It's a bit more work to maintain two different sets of code in this way, but it keeps the bugs relating to full releases from requiring you to upgrade to a beta interim release. This would also cut down dramatically on the overhead of releasing betas to the general public and having to deal with the potential pitfalls of this (i.e. too much discussion). Matt paul wrote: I'll add my .02 worth to this discussion: What I feel would be the best as a user: 1: Maybe instead of 1.76 betato 1.77 beta, it should've been 1.76 Release, with an update to the manual about the new features of 1.76. 2: Betas should have a page devoted to the new features with a disclaimer "These may not be in the next release - use at your own risk" That way, those that don't use the betas and wait for an actual release get what they want, and beta users get what they want as well. Paul -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
Title: Message I'm all in favour of the manual being sync'ed with the releases. That's a no-brainer. Beta support handling is a bone of contention, and I'd rather that support maintenance of those featuresnot interfere with the stellar support we already get from Declude. Therefore, I suggest that: 1) Create a new mailing list for Declude.JunkMail.Beta that those who live on the bleeding edge can join. Cross-posting to Declude.JunkMail and Declude.Virus is discouraged. Announcements of features would be done there. 2) As suggested already, simple documentation of new features under testing beprovided, e.g. sample usage and obvious gotchas, rather than the support/beta list getting clogged with people discovering a beta feature and asking how to use it. 3) Tracking what's in the Release and what's in the Beta then makes it irrelevant what's ina given Interim. Declude could then e-mail out a "new release announcement" to the customer base (that'd be us). A lot of traffic in this support list is based on administrators who are quite far behind but are seeing "new" tests discussed and want to get up to speed. 4) Perhaps: prefix the Beta feature names with BETA, e.g. BETAHIDETESTS, BETASPFPASS; the onus is then on we the mail administrators to do search and replace when we implement the Release version...? Valuable or pointless? Strict or customer-abusive?Judgingbythediscussion today,somewould prefer the clarity... but then, I only deal with one global.cfg and one $default$.junkmail so my judgement is limited. Andrew. -Original Message-From: Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 1:34 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ManualMaybe beta's should be by invitation/request only, and distributed only to that group like a normal beta program? At the same time, bug fixes can be applied to the last release, as well as the most recent beta, or only to the beta's if that's all that is affected? It's a bit more work to maintain two different sets of code in this way, but it keeps the bugs relating to full releases from requiring you to upgrade to a beta interim release. This would also cut down dramatically on the overhead of releasing betas to the general public and having to deal with the potential pitfalls of this (i.e. too much discussion).Mattpaul wrote: I'll add my .02 worth to this discussion: What I feel would be the best as a user: 1: Maybe instead of 1.76 betato 1.77 beta, it should've been 1.76 Release, with an update to the manual about the new features of 1.76. 2: Betas should have a page devoted to the new features with a disclaimer "These may not be in the next release - use at your own risk" That way, those that don't use the betas and wait for an actual release get what they want, and beta users get what they want as well. Paul-- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
[Declude.JunkMail] REDIRECT Command
Thank you Scott, and sorry to the list for not changing the subject -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Nigerian Filter Creator Helper Does the junkmail fire redirect work for aliased domains. It origionally did not. For example I have an alias setup as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and that points to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I put REDIRECT @mail.internal d:\junkmailfiles\strict.junkmail In the $default$.junkmail file will it use the redirect file or use the settings in the $default$.junkmail. In this case, Declude JunkMail should use the d:\junkmailfiles\strict.junkmail file. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask about our free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
I think this is the best idea. This also give the admin that wants to or needs to use the new features/bug fixes can and they understand their functionality. This also gives the admin the ability to decide wether using the beta is worth the hassle of possible bugs in features they are not currently ready to use. but they can understand the new features that are in the beta with out spending valuable time trolling the archives for possible outdate information on the beta features. Scott how does this suggestion sound? A seperate manpage just for the beta features Who cares if it does not look pretty Kevin Bilbee -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of paulSent: Friday, January 23, 2004 1:20 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual I'll add my .02 worth to this discussion: What I feel would be the best as a user: 1: Maybe instead of 1.76 betato 1.77 beta, it should've been 1.76 Release, with an update to the manual about the new features of 1.76. 2: Betas should have a page devoted to the new features with a disclaimer "These may not be in the next release - use at your own risk" That way, those that don't use the betas and wait for an actual release get what they want, and beta users get what they want as well. Paul
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
Title: Message I agree with this approach. It would separate the BETA users from the curious RELEASE users (who probably should wait for the release). Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:16 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual I'm all in favour of the manual being sync'ed with the releases. That's a no-brainer. Beta support handling is a bone of contention, and I'd rather that support maintenance of those featuresnot interfere with the stellar support we already get from Declude. Therefore, I suggest that: 1) Create a new mailing list for Declude.JunkMail.Beta that those who live on the bleeding edge can join. Cross-posting to Declude.JunkMail and Declude.Virus is discouraged. Announcements of features would be done there. 2) As suggested already, simple documentation of new features under testing beprovided, e.g. sample usage and obvious gotchas, rather than the support/beta list getting clogged with people discovering a beta feature and asking how to use it. 3) Tracking what's in the Release and what's in the Beta then makes it irrelevant what's ina given Interim. Declude could then e-mail out a new release announcement to the customer base (that'd be us). A lot of traffic in this support list is based on administrators who are quite far behind but are seeing new tests discussed and want to get up to speed. 4) Perhaps: prefix the Beta feature names with BETA, e.g. BETAHIDETESTS, BETASPFPASS; the onus is then on we the mail administrators to do search and replace when we implement the Release version...? Valuable or pointless? Strict or customer-abusive?Judgingbythediscussion today,somewould prefer the clarity... but then, I only deal with one global.cfg and one $default$.junkmail so my judgement is limited. Andrew. -Original Message- From: Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual Maybe beta's should be by invitation/request only, and distributed only to that group like a normal beta program? At the same time, bug fixes can be applied to the last release, as well as the most recent beta, or only to the beta's if that's all that is affected? It's a bit more work to maintain two different sets of code in this way, but it keeps the bugs relating to full releases from requiring you to upgrade to a beta interim release. This would also cut down dramatically on the overhead of releasing betas to the general public and having to deal with the potential pitfalls of this (i.e. too much discussion). Matt paul wrote: I'll add my .02 worth to this discussion: What I feel would be the best as a user: 1: Maybe instead of 1.76 betato 1.77 beta, it should've been 1.76 Release, with an update to the manual about the new features of 1.76. 2: Betas should have a page devoted to the new features with a disclaimer These may not be in the next release - use at your own risk That way, those that don't use the betas and wait for an actual release get what they want, and beta users get what they want as well. Paul -- =MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro.http://www.mailpure.com/software/=
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual
Scott- I'll cast my vote for this approach. Just a simple beta-only html page on your website. Contents: What's in each interim release, a one-line explanation, and a .config file and/or .junkmail file example would be fine with me. Once we know what's in the release, we can search this list for details. That would have the added benefit of getting the users hooked into earlier-adopters' experiences with each test before they try it on their own. Even niftier, a huge convenience, and no big deal to execute: A link from the test's name to the list archive search page. -d - Original Message - From: Mike K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual Scott: Your abilities as a writer are fine. I have seem many of your explanations on use of features and for most I think they would suffice. They just need to be put in the online manual at the same time you post a message to the list. I agree that beta features should not be in the main manual but could be listed in a separate change.log file or in a beta/interim release file. Mike --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Interim Log Level Low and IP
Scott, This is a feature request concerning the new/interim format of Log Level Low. It would be nice to have the IP logged at this level, and the need for this would otherwise cause me to have to go to a higher log level currently, but I much prefer working with the much smaller files (almost 1/10th the size). Would you please consider adding the IP to this log level. If others think this is unnecessary, please chime in, I don't want to push features that are exclusive to my own needs. Thanks, Matt -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Interim Log Level Low and IP
This is a feature request concerning the new/interim format of Log Level Low. It would be nice to have the IP logged at this level, and the need for this would otherwise cause me to have to go to a higher log level currently, but I much prefer working with the much smaller files (almost 1/10th the size). Would you please consider adding the IP to this log level. Actually, with the latest interim release, if you use LOGLEVEL MID, you'll get the IP without all those Msg failed lines. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask about our free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Interim Log Level Low and IP
I'll give that a try tonight. This might be a very nice happy medium. Thanks, Matt R. Scott Perry wrote: This is a feature request concerning the new/interim format of Log Level Low. It would be nice to have the IP logged at this level, and the need for this would otherwise cause me to have to go to a higher log level currently, but I much prefer working with the much smaller files (almost 1/10th the size). Would you please consider adding the IP to this log level. Actually, with the latest interim release, if you use LOGLEVEL MID, you'll get the IP without all those Msg failed lines. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask about our free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] SPF Logging
Scott, is there a way to turn off the separate SPF logging that is currently being written to c:\spf.log and c:\spf.none? If not, when do you plan to remove this logging from the Declude code? Bill --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPF Logging
Scott, is there a way to turn off the separate SPF logging that is currently being written to c:\spf.log and c:\spf.none? Not right now. If not, when do you plan to remove this logging from the Declude code? It should be removed before the next beta. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask about our free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
