Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

It creates a native image of the assembly for the current processor/OS it was executed on. Well "native" delphi code won't run too well without a number of windows DLLs either, therefore native delphi code still requires "a" framework. It is just that the .NET framework isn't always installed by d

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

NGen doesn't compile to native and still requires the framework to be installed. Sean -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jeremy North Sent: 17 September 2009 5:21 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subje

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Surprised no one has mentioned NGen which comes with the framework. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Sean Cross wrote: > Mono supports aot, which is compiling into native code.  This is what they do > for the iPhone, compile .net to native.  The iPhone constraints include > jitting, hence the n

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Mono supports aot, which is compiling into native code. This is what they do for the iPhone, compile .net to native. The iPhone constraints include jitting, hence the need for compiling to native code. Regards   Sean Cross CIO   Catalyst Risk Management PO Box 230 Napier 4140 DDI: 06-8340362 M

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

You can pre-compile any .NET code, even for Windows. I believe this is all that the C#-on-iPhone does, as well as eliminating (or ensuring that the code does not contain) any constructs that violate the iPhone constraints (no self-modifying/dynamically executed code for example). But if you mean

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

> Here is a question.. Can C# compile into native code? or is it .Net only? I believe there is a mono project to compile C# natively - primarily so they can develop apps for the IPhone. Alister Christie Computers for People Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266 http://www.salespartner.co.nz PO Box 1

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Which bit? The Prism comment? To be fair, I've not looked at Prism itself but back when it was Chrome, before it became Oxygene I remember thinking that it was what Delphi.NET *should* have been and made .NET palatable and interesting again. There's something inherently messy about C# which offe

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

No, it can't. You can get thuird part tools that will combine all the necessary stuf from the frameworks and do it but I've only seen it working on noddy "Hello World" programs. We had exactly that problem in that we didn't want "the great unwashed" being able to decompile our program. We also nee

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

> Here is a question.. Can C# compile into native code? or is it .Net only? MS .net is managed code only. Mono can do ahead of time compilation producing native code (that's how they do iPhone apps) and has a linker to reduce exe size. I don't know how well it all works though. Sean __

Re: [DUG] delphi vs java vs .net vs prism vs vs vs vs

#11 for this year #10 for last.  But if you add Delphi + Pascal together you get 10th place. I'm a bit disturbed by the fact that it's rating has dropped a whole percent in the last year (losing over 1/3 of it's value). 11 10 Delphi 1.972% -1.08%

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

I just finishing the Anders interview.. at the very end.. "I left borland because I felt the company should focus on developer tools, and they wanted to do enterprise "stuff" " See how smart he is.. he left for the exact reason why we all feel borland failed us. Here is a question.. Can C# compil

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Every field in a Python class is publicly accessible. That is OO hell! When they fix that I'll take notice. > Personally I am waiting for Python done right. Eg Fast, with decent UI > libraries and designers. > > Regards > > Sean Cross > CIO > > > >

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Personally I am waiting for Python done right. Eg Fast, with decent UI libraries and designers. Regards   Sean Cross CIO   ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/d

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

You honestly think that? On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Jolyon Smith wrote: > Yep, definitely Java done right more than Delphi (and imho Prism is "C# done > right").  :) > > ___ > NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list > Post: delphi@delphi

[DUG] delphi vs java vs .net vs prism vs vs vs vs

I recommend people go look at the Tiobe index. Delphi is #10 which is pretty good! http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html -- --- Richard Vowles, Technical Advisor Developers Inc Ltd web. http://www.developers-inc.co.nz ph. +64-9-3600231, mob. +64-275-467747, fax. +64-9-

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Yep, definitely Java done right more than Delphi (and imho Prism is "C# done right"). :) ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to d

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

I would agree that it is java done right. It has very rich component set. Data binding is interesting and the object inspector.. The big pain of course is .net. Not using for web in any way. (We are java, jsp, JS for web apps). JS, especially ajax is really coming of age. Notice: This email an

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

> Would love to hear from those who have used both C# and Delphi their > opinions on whether C# is Delphi done right or become bloated complex and > MS-only. I hear lots of nice comments about C#, and observe that many > programmers who disappear into that cave are never seen outside alive

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

I don't get this "Delphi done right" rubbish. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Imagine all the things you'd change in your projects if you could start fresh 10 years later. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM, John Bird wrote: > As I heard the story some years agocannot vouch for accuracy: > >

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

As I heard the story some years agocannot vouch for accuracy: Microsoft courted Anders for quite a while, as a brilliant technical lead. Finally they sent a limousine to Borland to take him out to lunch, and gave him an offer "he couldn't refuse": He could choose what he worked on They wou

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Yes, that is my question. ;-) -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jolyon Smith Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 1:59 p.m. To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List' Subject: Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy com

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

I think Leigh might have meant "how could he have been *allowed* to" if contracts are so tightly written. iirc it wasn't quite as straightforward at the time as Anders just deciding to go work for MS. Didn't Microsoft and Borland reach a substantial financial settlement to compensate Borland (my

Re: [DUG] Delphi 2007 and Application.OnHelp

Sorry please ignore the last message.  I found the controls were on panels / group boxes that had their contexts set incorrectly. Cheers Rob   Robert martin wrote: Hi I am playing with the Appliction.onHelp event. I have coded HelpContext values for all my forms and NO individual

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

.NET grew out of COM+ (what COM+ actually ended up being was but a shadow of the original vision) at a time when Microsoft needed a Java killer (having failed with their own JVM and J++), but I think it grew beyond the original vision once Anders came on board. Then again, iirc his first major pro

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

I like a mild roasted cofffee. Creamy flavour with a little bite.. I have a nice Vibiemme Domobar in the office that cranks out good coffee. LoL. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Steve Peacocke wrote: > Are we talking about Anders Hejlsberg? >> > > We seem to be talking about everything from Del

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

> > Are we talking about Anders Hejlsberg? > We seem to be talking about everything from Delphi to the world situation :o) Steve ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinf

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Are we talking about Anders Hejlsberg? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Hejlsberg He's a pretty smart guy. I think he is the chief architect for C# rather than .net Alister Christie Computers for People Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266 http://www.salespartner.co.nz PO Box 13085 Johnsonville W

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Basically for the chance to a) earn megabucks b) theoretically do it all again but get it right this time...hm? Roger On 17/09/2009, at 1:20 PM, Steve Peacocke wrote: > I don't understand why Delphi designer can move to Microsoft to be > chief of dot net. Can someone explain it? > > > $$

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

> > I don't understand why Delphi designer can move to Microsoft to be chief of > dot net. Can someone explain it? > > $$ ? Steve ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinf

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Depends on the vibe of the company. When copyrighting I use a trading name as well as my name to make it Clear that it's not me as an employee. Normally emails via company mail and backed up is as good as a contract. On Thursday, September 17, 2009, Todd Martin wrote: > Hi Kyley >> John, whenever

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

I don't understand why Delphi designer can move to Microsoft to be chief of dot net. Can someone explain it? -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of David Brennan Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 12:40 p.m. To: 'NZ Borland

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Hi Kyley > John, whenever I do that.. And I do it very often.. I first tell them, > and get approval and agreement that I own the code.. > > Most companies agree.. They like to make efficient use of time.. but in > doing so they have to have a royalty free use of the code given. Do you use a sta

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Todd, you are correct.. My meaning is that I feel this is why the companies are being so tight about things.. more as a way to stop theft, than to take ownership.. Personally.. I've never signed any such agreement. Normally they back down when I rationalize it to them, or I walk away. "Hi Kyley >

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Quite a few employment agreements only specify that the employer reserves the right to claim any development the employee does in their own time which 'falls within the employers sphere of interest' or some such, which I take to mean a related or competing product. And that seems fairly reasonable

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

John, whenever I do that.. And I do it very often.. I first tell them, and get approval and agreement that I own the code.. if they disagree. then I rewrite it all on their time, and I do it differently.. still good.. just not a copy... its their time.. and their money.. I will also write a comment

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

In my experience it tends to be the other way - stuff or useful tech tools I have written for myself often get copied into work projects simply to avoid reinventing the wheel. I tend to make it a separate unit or make a note in the code that it was orginally from outside, (nothing major as oth

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Hi Kyley > I have contracted in a firm before where there was a clear case of an > employee "holding back" at work and not exhibiting the full potential of > their skills and salary.. at the same time they discovered he was > developing applications different from work but for the same sector.. in

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

> There is a valid precendence to this.. Without saying who or when.. > I have contracted in a firm before where there was a clear case of an > employee "holding back" at work and not exhibiting the full potential of > their skills and salary.. at the same time they discovered he was developing > a

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

There is a valid precendence to this.. Without saying who or when.. I have contracted in a firm before where there was a clear case of an employee "holding back" at work and not exhibiting the full potential of their skills and salary.. at the same time they discovered he was developing application

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Get used to it. As I stated, it is fairly common now (not always, please don't take this as generalisation) that unless the application was already defined, it belongs to the company. Companies are looking more to the fact they employ you for your design and invention skills, therefore they figure

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Hi Steve That is an absolute outrage. Anyone worth their salt would never sign such a contract. Todd. > > This is fairly common over here for programmers to have to sign away all > applications programmed at home. > > Steve Peacocke > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Leigh Wanstead

[DUG] Delphi 2007 and Application.OnHelp

Hi I am playing with the Appliction.onHelp event. I have coded HelpContext values for all my forms and NO individual for components. Everything is set to htContext. When I press F1 some times I get the correct helpCOntext passed through other times I get a value I haven't entered. This dep

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Hi Leigh, This is fairly common over here for programmers to have to sign away all applications programmed at home. Steve Peacocke On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Leigh Wanstead wrote: > Hi Steve, > > > > I thought what you described is for the no knowledge required job i.e. > waiter etc. It

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Sadly, it is indeed legal (take a search o the internet on Aus employment law). The normal probationary period is as you state, 3 months, however it is quite legal to extend that probationary period for up to 12 months without cause or explanation. They can extend beyond the 12 months but at that t

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Hi Steve, I thought what you described is for the no knowledge required job i.e. waiter etc. It happens in Delphi? Have a nice day Regards Leigh From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:03 a.m. To:

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

> There have been several instances, very real over here, where the employer > can hire a new employee and legally keep them on trial for up to a year, > then simply fire them without explanation and without any legal issues at > all, rather than pay contract rates. In one instance, the employer wa

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Sadly, this has already been in 2 contracts that I have worked on in NZ. Yes, pretty much a standard over here in Aus, but for those 2 contracts in NZ, I had to list all personal projects that I was working on at the start of my contract, otherwise, it belonged to the company. In this day and age w

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009/9/16 Jolyon Smith > > I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see NZ employment contracts change over > time to be more in line with that approach - the Utopia we enjoy today may > not last forever. But as long as it remains the case today then granted, > the relevance of New Zealand Sales Tax t

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

>. Accusing me of a smirking comment was rude. Likely a case of crossed wires then, but either way the original poster felt that they way *he* had been treated was rude, so it's not surprising that he might feel inclined to reciprocate. An apology for the misunderstanding might have been mo

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Its a functional oriented language along the lines of O-CAML. There is a huge amount of "other language on the JVM" work going on at the moment and Microsoft seems to not want its developers feeling left behind. There is some very good stuff coming out of the research labs I have heard and the .NE

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero (Rodney)

Embarcadero have the forums still (with TeamB there). Blaise Magazine is an online/subscription magazine. Which is available in three languages now. The Help is continuing to improve, if you find an area lacking, add a report into QC. I'm pretty sure David Clegg wrote an addin to search google fro

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009/9/16 Jolyon Smith > > > I may be wrong, but I think Paul was more concerned about a stated > intention made to him by Dev-Inc to take a matter up with Borland on his > behalf and then a complete lack of any sort of feedback from Dev-Inc until > what seemed to him to be a condescending commen

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

Whats F# ?? I have not heard of that before. What happend to D# and E# ? ;-) Jeremy From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Sean Cross Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 21:57 To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List' Subject: Re: [DUG]

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

I went to .net code camp on Sunday, and listened to a talk on .net languages (F#, python etc). One of the running jokes "and cobol.net. There's always cobol" Sean From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Robert martin Sent: 16 September 2009 2:03 p

Re: [DUG] Faxing

Nothing so far. The biggest issue is that it requires files that have not been used since Windows NT ! Rasdd.dll and a couple of others. However, I have managed to find these files now, and the driver installed I have to wait till tomorrow now before I can test if it works tho. Jeremy Fr

Re: [DUG] Faxing

What is wrong with the driver? On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Jeremy Coulter wrote: > Yes I know WHERE to get the controls from. > > There is no mention of an updated driver as you mentioned which is why I > asked the question. > > Anyway, I have found a solution > > > > Jeremy > > > > *F

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

I may be wrong, but I think Paul was more concerned about a stated intention made to him by Dev-Inc to take a matter up with Borland on his behalf and then a complete lack of any sort of feedback from Dev-Inc until what seemed to him to be a condescending comment about his current situation.

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero (Rodney)

(I noticed this still comes up as the NZ Borland Developers Group) 2009/9/16 Rodney Chan > > - Instead of existing enhancement, focus on help files. The good old help > files are really useful and help selling Delphi > Surely a plugin that just goes to Google would be more helpful these days?

Re: [DUG] Faxing

Yes I know WHERE to get the controls from. There is no mention of an updated driver as you mentioned which is why I asked the question. Anyway, I have found a solution Jeremy From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Paul A Norman Sent: Wedn

Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero

2009/9/16 Paul A Norman > And I have heard nothing until Richard in this Forum smirked last night was > I actually using 2005? > So is that the level of support and followup we can expect? > That was quite rude Paul. Paul, I am not, and have never been the reason you continue to use Delphi 2005