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users, you have to disrespect them. I.e.
look at how they work, not at how they think they (might want to)
work.
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just talk about our own preferences...
Emphatically, I support what you do (I believe I wrote that before) –
I just don't like this specific part of your analysis.
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Hi Thibaut, Heiko
On 29 January 2013 23:04, Thibaut Brandscheid randal...@web.de wrote:
Hi Astron
Thanks for your detailed answer. I can't promise to do the data analysis in
the wiki but will have a look at it.
Thanks! I have uploaded the file to
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/87946285/libreoffice
Hi Heiko,
@Astron: I was looking for OO's tracking results some time ago. The data is
not accessible anymore. It would be great to have good data to analyse and
even better if it comes from LO.
Oh. Didn't check the link if it's still available. Sorry. I still have
copy on my local disk
to proof anything.
Sorry about overreacting there.
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suggestion, but where do we take all that white
space from?
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in a sea of grey.
Thibaut, again thanks very much for your work! I hope you can help
realise at least some of what you proposed.
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[1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Tracking_results
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Thanks sorry for the late notice,
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screen in some (light) shade of green.
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Hi all,
just before Christmas [1], Björn wrote a nice blog post about our new
save icon and how it fails to convey its meaning...
http://user-prompt.com/about-antiquated-metaphors-in-icons/
I guess we need to discuss reverting to the diskette icon... What do you think?
Astron.
[1] I didn't
Facebook is any worse than Google Plus
tbh, and we didn't post snarky comments about our hosts there either.
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Hi Pedro,
I guess I am the culprit. The thing is, most of what I did was
recolouring Andrea's splash screen a bit to better fit our branding
colours. So no real need to credit me...
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... but you're right, I need to upload that somewhere good.
BTW it's a shame the old 3.5.x logo isn't available as svg. Is it stored
somewhere?
I guess the contemporary logo is what you're looking for:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources
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* this code won't win contests (it's a mockup!)
* I would leave the whole signing into Twitter, counting characters
and all the JS-y thigns that don't yet work to you (if you even like
the Twitter idea).
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Reader at sime time and I didn't look too well
either.
So, I think you should just open a new bug report for this, via the
step-by-step assistant at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi
(or directly in bugzilla if you wish).
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[1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45505
Hi Alex,
are there any updates on the icon? Or something we should help with?
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about the same thing recently.)
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Hi Lars,
I guess you should mail the developers mailing list, since the design
team doesn't deal with the underlying technology that much.
the address of that list is libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org, by the way.
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Hi Nicholas,
I am taking the liberty to add the design list into CC here...
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On 27 August 2012 16:58, Nicholas Shanks nicksha...@nickshanks.com wrote:
Since I am unable to compile LO, I figured I would work on the artwork a bit.
I noticed that the Windows .ico files included a 256px
this in the wiki, let me know (or just do it).
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a patch and get it in.)
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this, it will be in 3.6.1 at
the latest and only needs another review to go into 3.6.0
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Hi Alex,
they're in. :)
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?h=libreoffice-3-6id=01e1714d0cb613cb192c7dc8e997789ec1aa73aa
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sorry for not doing anything on Userweave these past days ... I was
updating splash screens and such... will try to get back to the icon
testing thing next week or so.
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that sits around them usually ... we probably already
have what you say is a good amount.
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font sizes (Heading 6 has
a 9pt font size, much smaller than the body text!)
#6 Signature uses FreeSans, not DejaVu/Liberation Serif
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Hi Olivier,
First, the choice of fonts and colors are a matter of taste, which is an
endless debate...
Sure, yet... staying with Arial and TNR, aping Office 2000 is not
really an option either, though.
Second, - I have not tested - LO may warn me that my legacy documents have
new default
hit another record
length for our chats...
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the
dimensions of the splash screen to having to add a version number ...;
with a raster image all of that is a bit harder.
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of the flat logos [3]
Bonus Points:
* design a fitting Start Centre look, too (that's the thing that
appears when no document is currently open)
Prizes:
* fame, but no fortunes, sorry
May you all be very creative!
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[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
[2] http
Hi Mirek,
I wouldn't mind doing it on Sunday, either. So, unless anyone else
really wants to come to the Saturday meeting, ... let's do it on
Sunday.
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Hi Mirek,
I wouldn't mind doing it on Sunday, either. So, unless anyone else
really wants to come to the Saturday meeting, ... let's do it on
Sunday.
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this might be out of your reach for now, however, you can always make
a mockup.
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].
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[1]
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-about-dialog.png
After: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Modified-new-about-dialog.png
I would be grateful if someone could take a look at this and commit it
or well, not.
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Okay, scratch that. I just found time to work on this... so, I've sent
a patch to the ux-advise list (accidentally not to the dev list). It
does most of what I hoped for, except that it doesn't make the buttons
links.
See the other thread I just opened.
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Hi William,
ah, you don't understand: it's not a mock-up, it's implemented. (The
patch however was scrapped on the design list, but you can see it
under [1].)
About the close button: Under Gnome 3, modal windows don't get a close
button in the titlebar (usually they don't get a titlebar either).
... both options are fine
with me.
I would, however, like the statusbar indicator to be gone.
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Hi Alex,
I planned to be there. Maybe you want to try again this week, though,
since you had such bad luck last time..?
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Clarification:
Maybe you want to try again this week, though,
since you had such bad luck last time..?
That was supposed to mean that I'll be there either way, but two
people hopefully won't hurt too much.
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* Kendy wanted to thank us for working with him so well.
Apparently, at the end, there was a bit of a discussion about gerrit,
but that doesn't concern us so much...
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Hi Michel, Steve, Mirek,
+1 to Mirek's view.
If you want to make a proposal based on usage, please use something like
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:OOo31_Usage_Feedback_Data.ods
as the basis, not just your own usage.
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will then push them to 3.6.
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[1] http://blog.mmiworks.net/2009/05/gimp-enter.html
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ink).
Or is it that the font isn't kerned well or something like that (which
I coulnd't imagine being true for our logo)?
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Hello all,
I've updated the proposal with data bars/color scales in mind...
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Conditional_Formatting
I've tried to describe it in the wiki... if there are questions, don't
hesitate to ask.
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in the logo).
Thus, I've used your and Nik's great work as a basis... here is my proposal:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Liboconflogo2012-proposal-astron.png
Source file:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Liboconflogo2012-proposal-astron.svg
Regards,
Astron.
PS: I noticed
should be the thing in the logo).
the _highest_ thing, I meant.
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, not for exporting
to HTML.
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Hi all,
sorry for not being there ... exceptional circumstances. I'd be
interested in the full transcript, though... there only seems to be a
part of it available. Does anyone have the full version?
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Thus, integrating with these tools should be the best idea there. But
again, that was an example.
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that would help us produce some simple
prototypes, please speak up.
Seconded.
Foget the revolution - find ways to step-by-step transform LibreOffice.
:) This point has been made quite a number of times before. So yes, we
are covered.
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to this thread.
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not to read everything, btw.
Regards,
Astron.
PS: On the topic of surveys... I'd be very much interested in a survey on
the placement of the Add/Remove buttons on my conditional formatting
proposal. I imagine having ~three participant groups, and each group gets a
more-or-less functional HTML mockup
similar look, so will we, I think.
Astron.
[1] SVG version (without icons [2], sorry) is here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Mainwindow-win7-mockup.svg
[2] I've actually added the icons later, in Gimp, because Inkscape
skewed them somehow.
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of concept for data bars from Michael and I would like to
implement color scales at least for 3.7.
Cool.
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on the Swiss beauty. ;)
Vegur, by the way, is not extremely mature yet, so using it might add
some manual kerning work.
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coverage). FreeSans for instance, ships in
nearly every Linux distro.
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Hi Andrew,
what are these data bars and color scales you speak of? could you like to the
concept for them if you have one?
take a look here:
http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/microsoft-excel-2010-data-bar/
and here:
the background and the rulers, lose the black square around
the tab insertion mode, and tone down the colors (black-gray). The result
might look something like this:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/4/45/Rulers.png
Exactly! Thanks, Mirek.
Astron.
[1] http://windows.microsoft.com/en
, this matches up with what I thought. :)
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Hi Mirek, Andrew,
okay, then, seems my assumptions aren't true, so let's keep 1600 GTC.
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and newer have
used different and more modern themes.
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Hi Mirek,
Mark your calendars for this time every week, as this is the last reminder
I'll post.
Hehe.
So, one of the things I've been pondering is the following: how about
doing the chats an hour/two hours earlier? (I know it would fit me
better, and maybe others see this similarly.)
Astron
another proposal to:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Color_picker
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[1] http://www.selapa.net/swatchbooker/
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Hi Mirek,
The time is based on the Doodle poll we took [1].
Me knowey.
16:00 GMT suited most
people.
Given that you can't attend quite often, Andrew has usually apparently
gone to sleep already at that time ... I wonder if that is actually
true.
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. letters as paths)... that's it.
Accidentally, I also replaced your file in the wiki... sorry.
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have to use reply to all since the people on
CC aren't subscribed to the design list.)
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floating around here with developers (and maybe have
implementations at the end). Additionally, it would be great to be
able to work on the HIG... Of course, we would also meet in person
which perhaps is the best part of such events.
Astron.
[1] That is: friendly people hacking together/discussing
Hi all,
just FYI, there were people some time ago that wanted to add a
document background:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/DocumentBackground
To me, the idea seems sensible, but just as Mirek said, just adding a
document background doesn't make the application that much
away sooner rather than later and be replaced by a menu.
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Hi Andrew,
sorry forgot to link to it. It's there now.
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.
You might want to have a look at one of the Tablet UI whiteboards that
Mirek started:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Tablet_Writer
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and
location of objects).
Astron, on your PropertiesButtonLayout page, the summary should only
state the goal of your whiteboard, such as Improve dialog usability. It
should be a single design-oriented goal and it shouldn't suggest the
solution (that's what the Proposal section is for).
Right
know what to make of it at first).
* Relevant Art – we might get away without the text, I guess.
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, if you want to
work on these further, that'd be great.[1])
Astron.
[1] I have not yet uploaded the source SVG's, but as soon as I come
around to doing that I will.
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Hi Jean-Francois!
It's great to have you on board.
I can only second Mirek, great to have you here.
The solution you proposed for the document margin problem is pretty
elegant after all. :)
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these things?
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this icon in quite a number of places.
Astron.
PS: For anyone reading this, wondering which of these icons I actually
did, the answer is: the three small ones at the bottom were done by
Alex and me some time ago. The rest is ape's creation.
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, show her a simple folder
view.
However, it would really be a good start if you could show us how far
you are with your current idea with some screenshots/a functional
prototype etc. Else, we're just having discussions in a vacuum.
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://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Astron/Whiteboard_Template
How do you like it? How do you feel about the states that are in it?
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seeing it replaced by the
superior official set.
Astron.
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Hi again, Cedric, Ape,
Theme Tango includes a lot of Theme Industry's icons (Gnome-1), which have a
gray color. Project Tango no has many icons, which are needed for
LibreOffice.
Right, this point from Ape might apply and hit you quite hard. It
would be a good idea to check which separate
Hi,
we just had our 2nd weekly design chat, the IRC log is available here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings
Astron.
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Hi Christoph, all,
sorry for not being there at all when I said I could be... I was
occupied with other stuff, and then seemingly didn't really get the
GMT bit (else I would have risked at least with half an eye).
Astron.
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to the page. Aungh. Will try
to rectify that.
Astron.
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way to cope with the problem.
Astron.
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actually make
LibreOffice worse.
This is not to say that we need a completely new HIG, but we need to
either copy/paste the pieces we like from others (it still need s to
be conherent) or need to adapt a pre-existing one that covers what we
need.
Astron.
[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design
corners in
much the same way Gnome Shell does (albeit they don't currently use
the bottom right corner).
Regards,
Astron.
[1] http://afaikblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/documents.png
[2] This probably reads like an argumentation for the original
proposal ... aungh. I believe though, that my
Hi Bhaavan,
Maybe I should have changed the subject to something else before
posting it on the dev list.
In any case, I hope you eventually went through what is apparently the
official channel for GSoC self-introduction, ie IRC, apparently.
@Alex: thanks!
Astron.
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that (AFAICS also available) would
be single click on a template, then single click on Open (or whatever
the primary button in the window will read eventually).
Astron.
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available to the one scrollbar most
people (still) need. (Yes, the counter-argument is that everyone is
now hiding their scrollbars and I should just learn to love the bomb
:)).
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Hi Mirek,
what problem does this solve?
Sure, we then have a slightly less crowded status bar, but on the
other hand LibO's scrollbar will be shorter and less useful (cf.
horizontal scrollbar in Calc).
Astron.
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if any of that sounds too much like
technobabble. Also, don't let the command line shock you. :)
There are graphical UI's available, like e.g.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gitextensions/
Hope this helps a bit,
Astron.
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Hi Bhaavan,
I am adding the dev list (libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org) here...
Astron.
On 9 March 2012 12:27, Bhaavan Merchant bhaavanmerch...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
I am Bhaavan Merchant, and am a 3rd year undergrad student. I have been a
part of this mailing list for sometime
- Using different letters creates words. I noticed this in my Citrus UI
mockups -- B for bold, I for Italic, L for Line, C for color, and
H for highlight put next to each other make me read it as bilch, which
is quite close to an English swear.
Thanks for this gem. :)
Astron
will accept the extra icon, I guess.
Astron.
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