Re: [Docs] A proposed revision, four weeks for Cocoon, and a smattering of Julie Andrews

2005-06-06 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Upayavira wrote: Reinhard Poetz wrote: Upayavira wrote: Well, given Steven is working on setting up Daisy right now, I think we might need that. How much change would our SVN repo require to make 0.7 work? AFAIK our repositories build fine with Forrest 0.7. The person doing the

Re: svn commit: r180239 - /cocoon/trunk/lib/jars.xml

2005-06-06 Thread Leszek Gawron
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: reinhard Date: Sun Jun 5 23:35:20 2005 New Revision: 180239 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=180239view=rev Log: add Spring library Modified: cocoon/trunk/lib/jars.xml Modified: cocoon/trunk/lib/jars.xml URL:

Re: svn commit: r180239 - /cocoon/trunk/lib/jars.xml

2005-06-06 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Leszek Gawron wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: + + file id=spring-core +titleSpring/title +description + Jackrabbit JCR implementation +/description +used-bySpring block/used-by +liboptional/spring-1.1.5.jar/lib +homepagehttp://www.springframework.org//homepage

RE: [Docs] A proposed revision, four weeks for Cocoon, and a smattering of Julie Andrews

2005-06-06 Thread Linden H van der (MI)
Hi Mark, sorry for being late in replying. Usually weekends are more hectic than weekdays here. I cannot grant you editor privileges as Steven is the administrator for the site. I've asked Steven to fix this. In the mean time, just add comments to any page and I'll be happy to incorporate the

Re: [cforms] Uniqueness of IDs and ValidationAware forms

2005-06-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Reinhard Poetz wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: snip/ The main principle of the Ajax stuff is that each part of the page that can be updated asynchronously (not necessarily a widget) must be fully contained in a tag (span, div, input, whatever) with a unique id. In the case of widgets, this

[RT] Per sitemap classloading and ClassLoaderFactory

2005-06-06 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
In 2.2 we have the nice feature to have a class loader on a per sitemap base. This allows to load classes just for this sitemap (and all sub sitemaps). Now, the implementation - the SitemapLanguage - uses a global component, the ClassLoaderFactory to get the per sitemap classloader. Current we

Re: [Docs] A proposed revision, four weeks for Cocoon, and a smattering of Julie Andrews

2005-06-06 Thread Steven Noels
On 06 Jun 2005, at 09:54, Linden H van der (MI) wrote: Hi Mark, sorry for being late in replying. Usually weekends are more hectic than weekdays here. I cannot grant you editor privileges as Steven is the administrator for the site. I've asked Steven to fix this. In the mean time, just add

Access to Daisy for contributors (was: [Docs]...)

2005-06-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 6 juin 05, à 10:28, Steven Noels a écrit : ...That said, we need to discuss access policies to the Daisy instance on our Cocoon zone. It's only logical committers are granted User access immediately. What about non-committer documentation contributors?.. I suggest having a vote here

Move ClassLoaderManager to XSP block

2005-06-06 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Does someone care if I would move the ClassLoaderManager to the XSP block? This component is only used there and is imho not needed by any other block, so I think it makes sense to move it. Carsten -- Carsten Ziegeler - Open Source Group, SN AG http://www.s-und-n.de

Re: [RT] Per sitemap classloading and ClassLoaderFactory

2005-06-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 6 juin 05, à 10:10, Carsten Ziegeler a écrit : Then you can define the class for the factory on the components section: map:components classloader-factory-class=.../ If this attribute is missing we use the default which is the DefaultClassLoaderFactory I don't know this part of the

Re: [RT] Per sitemap classloading and ClassLoaderFactory

2005-06-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: In 2.2 we have the nice feature to have a class loader on a per sitemap base. This allows to load classes just for this sitemap (and all sub sitemaps). Now, the implementation - the SitemapLanguage - uses a global component, the ClassLoaderFactory to get the per sitemap

Re: Access to Daisy for contributors

2005-06-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 6 juin 05, à 10:28, Steven Noels a écrit : ...That said, we need to discuss access policies to the Daisy instance on our Cocoon zone. It's only logical committers are granted User access immediately. What about non-committer documentation contributors?.. I

Re: [RT] Per sitemap classloading and ClassLoaderFactory

2005-06-06 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Can you elaborate on your use case? I can try :) I don't have a clear concept right now. All I want to do is to scan the classpath defined for the sitemap for some specific classes (or perhaps resources - don't know yet). If these classes implement a specific interface an

Re: Access to Daisy for contributors (was: [Docs]...)

2005-06-06 Thread Mark Leicester
Hello, Yes please, for example, I'd like to add the revised Eclipse instructions I wrote up over here: http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon/LoadInEclipse These instructions are complementary to Helma's getting started instructions, and I want to add screenshots etc. I don't suppose I can add these

Re: Access to Daisy for contributors

2005-06-06 Thread Mark Leicester
Hi, This feels like a stupid question, but what about comments? Do people adding comments to daisy also need to sign the CLA???! Mark On 6 Jun 2005, at 10:27, Sylvain Wallez wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 6 juin 05, à 10:28, Steven Noels a écrit : ...That said, we need to discuss

Re: Access to Daisy for contributors

2005-06-06 Thread Upayavira
Mark Leicester wrote: Hi, This feels like a stupid question, but what about comments? Do people adding comments to daisy also need to sign the CLA???! To my mind that would be overkill. After all, we've got stacks of stuff on the wiki that isn't covered by a CLA. Comments would fall under

Re: #cocoon

2005-06-06 Thread Andrew Savory
Hi Jorg, On 19 May 2005, at 20:50, Jorg Heymans wrote: At the moment, conversations on #cocoon are not logged. snip/ I still think it is useful to log everything being said there and include it somewhere for reference. snip/ Objections? Thoughts? I'd object because the IRC channel

Re: Access to Daisy for contributors

2005-06-06 Thread Ross Gardler
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 6 juin 05, à 10:28, Steven Noels a écrit : ...That said, we need to discuss access policies to the Daisy instance on our Cocoon zone. It's only logical committers are granted User access immediately. What about non-committer documentation

Registering for a daisy account

2005-06-06 Thread Mark Leicester
Hello, I've had a look at Daisy on http://cocoon.zones.apache.org/daisy/cocooninaction/4.html and found that my old user account was not transferred, so I re-registered. I haven't yet received a confirmation email (I registered about 30 mins ago). Is there a confirmation process for new user

Re: Access to Daisy for contributors

2005-06-06 Thread Steven Noels
On 06 Jun 2005, at 12:39, Ross Gardler wrote: In the above model a user is someone who self registered, can write but not publish. A committer has the role doc-team and can publish. I could configure the following setup: * configure the site so that new document versions are saved in the

Re: Registering for a daisy account

2005-06-06 Thread Steven Noels
On 06 Jun 2005, at 13:05, Mark Leicester wrote: Hello, I've had a look at Daisy on http://cocoon.zones.apache.org/daisy/cocooninaction/4.html and found that my old user account was not transferred, so I re-registered. I haven't yet received a confirmation email (I registered about 30 mins

Re: #cocoon

2005-06-06 Thread Jorg Heymans
Andrew Savory wrote: I'd object because the IRC channel can contain informal chat as well as useful reference. IMHO the best way to get useful reference archived is for summaries of chats that resolve a problem to be posted back to the mailing list. This lets people talk in an informal

Re: Access to Daisy for contributors

2005-06-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 6 juin 05, à 13:21, Steven Noels a écrit : ...I could configure the following setup: * configure the site so that new document versions are saved in the draft state * guests are guest: no access rights except viewing and adding comments * create a role document contributors which can edit

Re: Access to Daisy for contributors

2005-06-06 Thread Ross Gardler
Steven Noels wrote: On 06 Jun 2005, at 12:39, Ross Gardler wrote: In the above model a user is someone who self registered, can write but not publish. A committer has the role doc-team and can publish. I could configure the following setup: * configure the site so that new document

Re: Access to Daisy for contributors

2005-06-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Mark Leicester wrote: Hi, This feels like a stupid question, but what about comments? Do people adding comments to daisy also need to sign the CLA???! Of course not! They just need to self-register, which gives them the guest role. Sylvain -- Sylvain Wallez

RE: cocoon-cforms-library

2005-06-06 Thread Max Pfingsthorn
Dear Cocoon Devs, My Name is Max Pfingsthorn, I currently study for my Master of Science in Artificial Intelligence at the University of Amsterdam, The Netherlands. You can have a look at my CV (last updated Dec.2004) here: http://student.science.uva.nl/~mpfingst/cv/CV.Max.Pfingsthorn.pdf. I

[Vote] Reduce dependencies to LogKit

2005-06-06 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
We recently discussed the famous logging topic [1] and it seems that we agree to reduce the dependencies to LogKit. So, please cast your votes on the following: We remove all direct dependencies to LogKit. The logging will still use the LoggerManager interface through which LogKit can be

Re: Access to Daisy for contributors

2005-06-06 Thread Steven Noels
On 06 Jun 2005, at 13:55, Ross Gardler wrote: Really? That could be a real problem for getting folks to contribute to the docs. It implies that, even to make a spelling correction, they would need to submit a CLA. We can be lenient about this: we don't require CLA signoff for casual

Re: cocoon-cforms-library

2005-06-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Max Pfingsthorn wrote: Dear Cocoon Devs, My Name is Max Pfingsthorn, I currently study for my Master of Science in Artificial Intelligence at the University of Amsterdam, The Netherlands. You can have a look at my CV (last updated Dec.2004) here:

Re: Access to Daisy for contributors

2005-06-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 6 juin 05, à 14:06, Steven Noels a écrit : ...I think obtaining a CLA from proper document committers should be enough for the mean time. Let's see where we get from here... +1 Are you planning to have Daisy send changes emails like the wiki does? It would be good to keep track of

Re: Access to Daisy for contributors

2005-06-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Steven Noels wrote: On 06 Jun 2005, at 12:39, Ross Gardler wrote: In the above model a user is someone who self registered, can write but not publish. A committer has the role doc-team and can publish. I could configure the following setup: * configure the site so that new document

Re: [Vote] Reduce dependencies to LogKit

2005-06-06 Thread Ugo Cei
Il giorno 06/giu/05, alle 14:22, Carsten Ziegeler ha scritto: We remove all direct dependencies to LogKit. The logging will still use the LoggerManager interface through which LogKit can be configured as the logging system for Cocoon. The logging infrastructure (LogEnabled) is not affected by

Re: [Vote] Reduce dependencies to LogKit

2005-06-06 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: So, please cast your votes on the following: We remove all direct dependencies to LogKit. The logging will still use the LoggerManager interface through which LogKit can be configured as the logging system for Cocoon. The logging infrastructure (LogEnabled) is not

Re: Access to Daisy for contributors

2005-06-06 Thread Steven Noels
On 06 Jun 2005, at 14:41, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 6 juin 05, à 14:06, Steven Noels a écrit : ...I think obtaining a CLA from proper document committers should be enough for the mean time. Let's see where we get from here... +1 Are you planning to have Daisy send changes emails like

RE: Cocoon zone update

2005-06-06 Thread Linden H van der (MI)
Daughter woke up early: done. Helma, can you cross-check? Done. All looks fine. Updated the navigation tree on cocoondev.org and the first page to reflect the new site. Now all I need is my editor rights back. Bye, Helma

Re: [Vote] Reduce dependencies to LogKit

2005-06-06 Thread Ralph Goers
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: We recently discussed the famous logging topic [1] and it seems that we agree to reduce the dependencies to LogKit. So, please cast your votes on the following: We remove all direct dependencies to LogKit. The logging will still use the LoggerManager interface through

Re: [Vote] Reduce dependencies to LogKit

2005-06-06 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: ... We remove all direct dependencies to LogKit. +1 -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)

Re: [Vote] Reduce dependencies to LogKit

2005-06-06 Thread peter royal
On Jun 6, 2005, at 9:29 AM, Vadim Gritsenko wrote: The only difference is the boot phase of Cocoon. We currently use LogKit hardcoded there as well; this dependency will be removed. This allows to run Cocoon without the logkit.jar. Assuming boot phase uses servlet context logger; +1 +1

Re: [Vote] Reduce dependencies to LogKit

2005-06-06 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: We recently discussed the famous logging topic [1] and it seems that we agree to reduce the dependencies to LogKit. So, please cast your votes on the following: We remove all direct dependencies to LogKit. The logging will still use the LoggerManager interface through

Re: [Vote] Reduce dependencies to LogKit

2005-06-06 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: We recently discussed the famous logging topic [1] and it seems that we agree to reduce the dependencies to LogKit. So, please cast your votes on the following: We remove all direct dependencies to LogKit. The logging will still use the LoggerManager interface

Re: [Vote] Reduce dependencies to LogKit

2005-06-06 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Assuming boot phase uses servlet context logger; Yes (in the case of the servlet env). Carsten -- Carsten Ziegeler - Open Source Group, SN AG http://www.s-und-n.de http://www.osoco.org/weblogs/rael/

Re: [Vote] Reduce dependencies to LogKit

2005-06-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 6 juin 05, à 14:22, Carsten Ziegeler a écrit : ...We remove all direct dependencies to LogKit.. +1 -Bertrand smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature

Adding [Link]s

2005-06-06 Thread Ugo Cei
Hi, I've just added a bugzilla entry for a new Cocoon-based site, as per the instructions on the site. Being a committer, I will proceed to fix and close the issue myself, but I wanted to know if all that is needed is patching this [1] file or is there something else that needs to be done?

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Re: Access to Daisy for contributors

2005-06-06 Thread Steven Noels
On 06 Jun 2005, at 14:32, Sylvain Wallez wrote: We can consider that a CLA is needed for document committers as they control official (i.e. published) docs, +1 whereas document contributors are considered like people contributing wiki pages and bugzilla patches, and implicitely accept

Re: Access to Daisy for contributors

2005-06-06 Thread Ross Gardler
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 6 juin 05, à 14:06, Steven Noels a écrit : ...I think obtaining a CLA from proper document committers should be enough for the mean time. Let's see where we get from here... +1 Are you planning to have Daisy send changes emails like the wiki does? It would be

RE: cocoon-cforms-library

2005-06-06 Thread Max Pfingsthorn
Hello Sylvain! Thank you! Unfortunately, I didn't have the chance to do much with Multimedia Information Retrieval yet. If you are interested, here is the website of the research group concerned with this at my university: http://www.science.uva.nl/research/isis/isisNS.html. My personal

Re: Access to Daisy for contributors

2005-06-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Steven Noels wrote: On 06 Jun 2005, at 14:32, Sylvain Wallez wrote: We can consider that a CLA is needed for document committers as they control official (i.e. published) docs, +1 whereas document contributors are considered like people contributing wiki pages and bugzilla patches, and

Re: [Vote] Reduce dependencies to LogKit

2005-06-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: We recently discussed the famous logging topic [1] and it seems that we agree to reduce the dependencies to LogKit. So, please cast your votes on the following: We remove all direct dependencies to LogKit. The logging will still use the LoggerManager interface through

Re: [RFE] Some enhancements to XSP

2005-06-06 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Nathaniel Alfred wrote: From: Vadim Gritsenko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Instead of ? one could also use another character provided it is sufficiently unlikely that the sequence curly-char appears in XSP-embedded content or where XSP can be embedded (XSL). The special character should not be

Re: [Vote] Reduce dependencies to LogKit

2005-06-06 Thread Geert Josten
We remove all direct dependencies to LogKit. +1

Re: Access to Daisy for contributors

2005-06-06 Thread Steven Noels
On 06 Jun 2005, at 16:25, Sylvain Wallez wrote: Regarding the modification, this can be a additional checkbox with a validator requiring it to be checked, i.e. a user cannot register without having clicked I accept. OK. I tested this locally and will add this later to the live instance.

Re: [Vote] Reduce dependencies to LogKit

2005-06-06 Thread Leszek Gawron
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: We recently discussed the famous logging topic [1] and it seems that we agree to reduce the dependencies to LogKit. So, please cast your votes on the following: We remove all direct dependencies to LogKit. The logging will still use the LoggerManager interface through

Re: Default logging system (was: Vote on Reduce dependencies to LogKit)

2005-06-06 Thread Geert Josten
In a second vote we will vote about the default logging system. As a remark I'd like to add that just recently we deployed Cocoon in both Oracle Application Server and Tomcat that were configured to use Log4J. But in neither case, it seemed possible to get the Cocoon log messages (both cocoon

Re: Why does XSPMarkupLanguage wrap text in xsp:text?

2005-06-06 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Jochen Kuhnle wrote: I noticed that XSPMarkupLanguage.characters wraps text in xsp:text elements. Is there a reason for this? At least my XSPs work without this... This logic has been there since beginnings of Cocoon2 XSP implementation [1] (line 134), and I'd suggest leaving it there as

Re: Adding [Link]s

2005-06-06 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Ugo Cei wrote: Hi, I've just added a bugzilla entry for a new Cocoon-based site, as per the instructions on the site. Being a committer, I will proceed to fix and close the issue myself, All [Link] bugs, right, not only this one? Thanks! :-) but I wanted to know if all that is needed is

Re: Default logging system

2005-06-06 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Geert Josten wrote: In a second vote we will vote about the default logging system. As a remark I'd like to add that just recently we deployed Cocoon in both Oracle Application Server and Tomcat that were configured to use Log4J. But in neither case, it seemed possible to get the

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Re: [RFE] Some enhancements to XSP

2005-06-06 Thread Jochen Kuhnle
Vadim Gritsenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06.06.2005 16:28:19: I think it is a bad idea to use exactly the same syntax as for XSLT because it makes really awkward to use XSP attribute interpolation inside logicsheets. You haven't written any XSLT producing Ant files recently, have you?

Re: Default logging system

2005-06-06 Thread Geert Josten
I guess you configured the Log4JLoggerManager in web.xml? What happened then? Carsten To be honest: with the current settings nothing is being logged.. (nothing from Cocoon at least) :-P I tried several things, but nothing with the result I was looking for. Currently I have the following

Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-06 Thread Ralph Goers
We have a project that needs to use a forms framework that is more advanced than what SimpleForms provides. However, it is difficult on selling cforms simply because they are marked unstable. What is it going to take to mark it stable in 2.1.8? Can we simply identify the known bugs in

Re: [Vote] Reduce dependencies to LogKit

2005-06-06 Thread Antonio Gallardo
On Lun, 6 de Junio de 2005, 7:22, Carsten Ziegeler dijo: We remove all direct dependencies to LogKit. The logging will still use the LoggerManager interface through which LogKit can be configured as the logging system for Cocoon. The logging infrastructure (LogEnabled) is not affected by the

Re: Adding [Link]s

2005-06-06 Thread Antonio Gallardo
On Lun, 6 de Junio de 2005, 8:37, Ugo Cei dijo: Hi, I've just added a bugzilla entry for a new Cocoon-based site, as per the instructions on the site. Being a committer, I will proceed to fix and close the issue myself, but I wanted to know if all that is needed is patching this [1] file or

Re: Results of the Apache members meeting

2005-06-06 Thread Torsten Curdt
There has been a meeting of the ASF members this week, and some of its results [1] are of particular interest to Cocoon: - Upayavira and Torsten have been elected members of the ASF, - Stefano has been reelected to the board. Congrats to all, and a warm welcome to the new members! Thanks

Re: Logkit jvadocs

2005-06-06 Thread Torsten Curdt
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 01 June 2005 15:00, Ralph Goers wrote: I'm also -1. I might consider replacing logkit with UGLI, but not LOG4J directly. However, (a) UGLI is part of LOG4J 1.3 which is still alpha, (b) an analysis needs to be done to determine how UGLI performs compared to

Re: ApacheCon- Blockathon - When do we start?

2005-06-06 Thread Torsten Curdt
Nice! But upto now there are only three of us (Reinhard, you and me) and I'm wondering if we really need a room in that case. But there are still two more months until the ApacheCon takes place, so we can wait and see if more people are comming. I'm sure that others will follow if we have

Re: [Vote] Reduce dependencies to LogKit

2005-06-06 Thread Torsten Curdt
peter royal wrote: On Jun 6, 2005, at 9:29 AM, Vadim Gritsenko wrote: The only difference is the boot phase of Cocoon. We currently use LogKit hardcoded there as well; this dependency will be removed. This allows to run Cocoon without the logkit.jar. Assuming boot phase uses servlet

JDTCore.jar used for XSP only?

2005-06-06 Thread Geert Josten
Hi, Is jdtcore.jar only used for compiling Java for XSP pages? I'm not using XSP currently, so I am wondering if I can just eliminate that jar file. It doesn't seem to affect Cocoon. Can anyone confirm? Thanks, Geert

Re: JDTCore.jar used for XSP only?

2005-06-06 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Geert Josten wrote: Hi, Is jdtcore.jar only used for compiling Java for XSP pages? I'm not using XSP currently, so I am wondering if I can just eliminate that jar file. It doesn't seem to affect Cocoon. Can anyone confirm? In trunk jdtcore.jar is only added if you enable the XSP block.

Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-06 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Ralph Goers wrote: We have a project that needs to use a forms framework that is more advanced than what SimpleForms provides. However, it is difficult on selling cforms simply because they are marked unstable. What is it going to take to mark it stable in 2.1.8? Can we simply identify the