I think that's why we should vote sending or not.
Piotr
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On 18/03/14 05:47, Erik de Bruin wrote:
What's wrong that we can't even agree on a simple email asking people to
Nothing is wrong. Geeks are just not normally very good at expressing
themselves and can easily take things the wrong way.
Tom
What's wrong that we can't even agree on a simple email asking people to
Nothing is wrong. Geeks are just not normally very good at expressing
themselves and can easily take things the wrong way.
Like you calling me a Geek?
You *%@#*#$!
EdB
P.S. :-P (just in case something got lost in
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De : Justin Mclean [mailto:jus...@classsoftware.com]
Envoyé : mardi 18 mars 2014 04:20
À : dev@flex.apache.org
Objet : Re: Draft email to committers
Hi,
OK going to call this dead as we can't reach consensus and a VOTE would (I
assume) be vetoed.
Thanks,
Justin
.
We could consider people not answering after a while are in 3).
Thoughts?
Maurice
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De : Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com]
Envoyé : mardi 18 mars 2014 04:59
À : dev@flex.apache.org
Objet : Re: Draft email to committers
OK. But I'm still wondering if there is a less
Hi,
I think that's why we should vote sending or not.
In this case a single -1 (veto) is enough to stop the email from happening.
I could put it up for a less restrictive vote but given there no consensus I
don't think that would be fair.
Anyone to send this email to committers themselves
...@classsoftware.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:59 AM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: Draft email to committers
Hi,
I think that's why we should vote sending or not.
In this case a single -1 (veto) is enough to stop the email from happening.
I could put it up for a less restrictive vote but given
: Draft email to committers
Hi,
I think that's why we should vote sending or not.
In this case a single -1 (veto) is enough to stop the email from happening.
I could put it up for a less restrictive vote but given there no consensus
I don't think that would be fair.
Anyone to send
Good question, I'm not sure exactly.
Part of it is getting the right version, part of it is knowing how to make
sure you didn't embarrass yourself with the fix. Knowing what counts as a
fix. Other vague uncertainties.
If there was a way to pull, and then just commit with a message about which
Hi,
Part of it is getting the right version, part of it is knowing how to make
sure you didn't embarrass yourself with the fix.
Any fix is just a revert away - that's the great thing about version. I've
made plenty of mistakes so I wouldn't be concerned about breaking stuff :-)
Knowing
HI,
If you supply a fix that isn;t perfect that's also good and other people get
to see it and hopefully improve on it. I noticed Maurice correct some
spelling issues and Americanised my spelling on a patch I added a while back
today.
Sorry that should be Americanized :-)
Justin
On 17/03/14 01:28, Justin Mclean wrote:
Here's my second draft. It's now intended to be sent directly to all committers.
I think it's too long. You can condense the four lines about install
numbers to just the first one, for instance.
I'd dump everything from 'We know you are' onwards. You
Is a 'fix' an attached file or a change in git?
If those git hooks are up and running that would be great to know. This
should probably be continued in another thread.
On Mar 17, 2014 9:02 AM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote:
Hi,
Part of it is getting the right version, part of
: Re: Draft email to committers
Hi,
Part of it is getting the right version, part of it is knowing how to
make sure you didn't embarrass yourself with the fix.
Any fix is just a revert away - that's the great thing about version. I've
made plenty of mistakes so I wouldn't be concerned about
On 3/16/2014 9:28 PM, Justin Mclean wrote:
Jeffry if you're still against this and there's no word changes that make it
acceptable to you I'll give up and move onto something else.
The wording is much better and less confrontational.
I still have reservations about the need for an email
Hi,
OK going to call this dead as we can't reach consensus and a VOTE would (I
assume) be vetoed.
Thanks,
Justin
OK. But I'm still wondering if there is a less formal way to try to get
the attention of committers who've stopped paying attention. Maybe not
now, but around the time we release the initial FlexJS alpha, I would like
to make sure all of our initial committers know about it. I wonder what
would
Let's not discuss this to death, please.
Well... I'm very sorry I was right :-(
What's wrong that we can't even agree on a simple email asking people to
help out - the essence of an Open Source project?
EdB
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On 3/15/14 10:51 PM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote:
Hi,
I think if they are still lurking you have already gotten their
attention.
If they are not listening at all, this won't help. I'm not clear a
signature from the PMC will be a difference maker.
I wasn't going to send the
Hi,
I see. Well, it sounds like a few PMC members are uncomfortable with it
being signed by the PMC.
One so far yes but that's the only objection so far. I'd put it to a vote with
a veto before sending out but would like to see what other people think first.
Thanks,
Justin
On 3/15/14 11:22 PM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote:
Hi,
I see. Well, it sounds like a few PMC members are uncomfortable with it
being signed by the PMC.
One so far yes but that's the only objection so far. I'd put it to a vote
with a veto before sending out but would like to
Let's not discuss this to death, please.
I very much like Justin's proposal. I think that he can sign on behalf of
the PMC, as it is one of the PMC's duties to try to get as much people to
contribute to the project as possible. As a PMC member you can't be against
an effort to get people to
On 3/15/2014 9:13 PM, Justin Mclean wrote:
What changes do you think are required for it to sent from the PMC?
Thanks, Justin
I do not think the PMC--as a group--should be sending out emails like
the one you posted.
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As a lurker, I will just say that it's still rather scary to make an
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is rather scary to be honest.
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On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Jeffry Houser
On 3/16/2014 3:37 AM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
it is one of the PMC's duties to try to get as much people to
contribute to the project as possible.
Are you sure?
I do not see that listed anywhere in Apache's PMC Guidelines:
https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html
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it is one of the PMC's duties to try to get as much people to
contribute to the project as possible.
Are you sure?
I do not see that listed anywhere in Apache's PMC Guidelines:
https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html
You are kidding, right? If proper management and oversight doesn't at
Hi,
I do not think the PMC--as a group--should be sending out emails like the one
you posted.
Can expand on why? Email private@ or me off list if you feel for some reason it
shouldn't be discussed on this list.
Thanks,
Justin
On 3/16/2014 9:41 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
Hi,
I do not think the PMC--as a group--should be sending out emails like the one
you posted.
Can expand on why? Email private@ or me off list if you feel for some reason it
shouldn't be discussed on this list.
I'm not sure what to expand upon
2014 14:58
À : dev@flex.apache.org
Objet : Re: Draft email to committers
On 3/16/2014 9:41 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
Hi,
I do not think the PMC--as a group--should be sending out emails like the
one you posted.
Can expand on why? Email private@ or me off list if you feel for some reason
On 3/16/2014 10:23 AM, Maurice Amsellem wrote:
I see your point.
Thanks!
Maybe we should send to ALL committers, so that no-one feels uncomfortable
with that.
I thought it was the original intent to send to all committers.
WDYT?
I don't understand why the email needs to be sent at
Everyone's workload ebbs and flows. Sending out nagging messages isn't
going to help that. However a message that gets sent out with just
positive updates / messages I'm fine.
-Mark
I personally know tons of old Flex developers that for all intensive
purposes believe Flex is still Dead. When I inform them of all the great
stuff you guys have been accomplishing, they always get excited. Everybody
still loves Flex, it just hasn't been cool, hip, and trendy since HTML 5!!!
came
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De : Jeffry Houser [mailto:jef...@dot-com-it.com]
Envoyé : dimanche 16 mars 2014 16:46
À : Maurice Amsellem
Cc : dev@flex.apache.org
Objet : Re: Draft email to committers
On 3/16/2014 10:23 AM, Maurice Amsellem wrote:
I see your point.
Thanks!
Maybe we should send
Objet : Re: Draft email to committers
On 3/16/2014 10:23 AM, Maurice Amsellem wrote:
I see your point.
Thanks!
Maybe we should send to ALL committers, so that no-one feels
uncomfortable with that.
I thought it was the original intent to send to all committers.
WDYT?
I don't understand
Hi,
As a lurker, I will just say that it's still rather scary to make an
official JIRA, or patch, or whatever the process is.
What's scary about it you just need to attach a fix to a JIRA. Hopefully it
will be reviewed and added to the SKD by a committer will and if all test pass
it will show
Hi,
So maybe we should remove the first sentence we have noticed you have been
doing nothing for a while
And maybe simply describe the situation and ask if people are still
interested in the project, and the areas where help is needed.
Maybe we should send to ALL committers, so that
Hi,
Here's my second draft. It's now intended to be sent directly to all committers.
--- start draft ---
Hi Apache Flex Committer,
A lot has been going on in Apache Flex in recent months and it’s been hard to
keep up to date with all of the news.
Here's a brief overview of the current state
flex.apage.org ?
Typo...
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From: Justin Mclean [mailto:jus...@classsoftware.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:28 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: Draft email to committers
Hi,
Here's my second draft. It's now intended to be sent directly to all committers
Hi,
flex.apage.org ?
Yep :-)
Thanks,
Justin
Hmm. I still don't like the first line. The it's been hardŠ assumes
that folks think it has been hard. Also, please propose a subject as well.
Maybe Apache Flex Progress Report?
How about for the first two lines:
A lot has been going on in Apache Flex in recent months. In case you
haven't
I think the note should be a call to action without comments on people's time
commitment or how hard it is to find time, etc. it is to be expected that
Committers will fade away and new ones replace old.
There is a reason that merit does not expire. We always welcome people back and
gladly.
On 3/16/14 9:22 PM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote:
Hi,
I think the note should be a call to action without comments on
people's time commitment or how hard it is to find time,
The initial draft was more like that but there were objections - so not
sure which is the best way
HI,
Here a draft to send out to all committers to hopefully get them more involved
in the project - any comments?
- start draft
Hi Apache Flex Committer,
We're noticed that you have not contributed to the project in a while and may
not be up to date on recent developments:
Here's a
I have a sense of discomfort signing such an email from the Apache
Flex PMC Team.
As you know, we are all 'individuals' with differing priorities,
schedules, and responsibilities.
If you wish to 'rally the troops' to get certain things done; great.
But, sign your own name. Don't try
, etc...).
Maurice
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De : Justin Mclean [mailto:jus...@classsoftware.com]
Envoyé : dimanche 16 mars 2014 01:19
À : dev@flex.apache.org
Objet : Draft email to committers
HI,
Here a draft to send out to all committers to hopefully get them more involved
in the project
Hi,
As you know, we are all 'individuals' with differing priorities, schedules,
and responsibilities.
Sure and they are free to ignore the email if they are unable to help but I do
think the email needs to be from the PMC.
Don't try to make it sound like the Apache Flex PMC is trying to
Hi,
We need more examples for the community showcase
= how could the committers contribute to that ?
Most committers are users of the SDK as well and would of been involved in many
project some of which I'm sure are suitable to the community showcase.
Also, I would say help should not be
On 3/15/14 6:13 PM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote:
Hi,
As you know, we are all 'individuals' with differing priorities,
schedules, and responsibilities.
Sure and they are free to ignore the email if they are unable to help but
I do think the email needs to be from the PMC.
I
Hi,
I think if they are still lurking you have already gotten their attention.
If they are not listening at all, this won't help. I'm not clear a
signature from the PMC will be a difference maker.
I wasn't going to send the email to the list but directly to them - they may no
longer be
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