On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 05:51:46PM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> >Creating roles like this is just as bad as having chunks of httpd "owned"
> >by one particular developer. (See below)
>
> I don't think you understand the role of 'patch manager.' On the projects
> I'm involved with, that pers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The 'other' not-so-dedicated-but-certainly-interested
developers felt 'shut out' of the 2.0 development cycle
because it was obvious a lot of it was taking place
'off line' and nothing was being documented so they
couldn't really get a good handle on what was going
on in
At 12:36 AM 11/14/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>'Individual' attempts to contribute are getting IGNORED
>and the last few words of this message thread's subject
>line are just asking to hear from the powers that be
>what they intend to do about that ( solutions please ? ).
Yes, I think that's t
Although it's probably a little late to be responding to innuendo, the bare minimum
points that need a response;
At 12:36 AM 11/14/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>There was a lot going down 'offline' and things were just
>being 'announced' on the forum.
That's the way development often happens.
--On Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:51 PM -0500 Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I'm confused then... I had thought that there were API differences
(within httpd and apr) between the 2 trees in able to support
some of the new features.
I suspect that the biggest pain for a 2.0->2.2 migrati
Hi Bill...
This is Kevin...
> William Rowe wrote...
>
> We value individual contributions here, not
> corporate affiliation.
"We" means ASF, right?
If so... then I think you just nailed the whole point
of this thread, if I am reading the original poster's
concerns correctly.
There doesn't CURRE
At 12:47 PM 11/13/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>If you look at what has REALLY happened in the past
>3 years ( yes... going back that far since it's now 4 or
>5 years since 2.0 became a real blib on the radar ) there's
>no question that there was this intense period of
>development and 'new' th
In a message dated 11/13/2003 12:53:42 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
By the by...
Covalent signs my paycheck.
And if you look at 1.3, you'll see that I've been pretty
key on staying on top of it.
Kind of blows away your theory, don't it?
Nope
>-Original Message-
>From: Matthieu Estrade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[SNIP]
>But when you give feedback, review code, and post patch and nothing
>happen then... It's not easy to continue this way =)
>Maybe my feedback and mails aren't good, so in this case i understand
>more... but wit
this is used and what will happen then...
Thanks
-Madhu
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Hi all...
I just have to jump in here since the topic is fascin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I will call it... "The Covalent Factor".
>
> If you look at what has REALLY happened in the past
> 3 years ( yes... going back that far since it's now 4 or
> 5 years since 2.0 became a real blib on the radar ) there's
> no question that there was this intense period o
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
>
> Well, 2.2 modules for the most part should be source-compatible with
> 2.0. Certain subsystems have changed dramatically (auth being the prime
> example I can think of), but I wouldn't expect every module to have to
> change to support 2.2. (This is, again, taking my
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 10:29:55AM -0500, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Another point to consider... With 2.2, module writers will need to
> worry about *3* versions of Apache. Commercial entities which
> have *just* gotten around to porting their 1.3 modules for 2.0
> will likely not bother with 2.2 modu
Hi all...
I just have to jump in here since the topic is fascinating...
...and I think there's an opportunity here to review something
that has contributed to the 'slow down' at httpd-dev which
no one has seemed to grasp (yet).
I will call it... "The Covalent Factor".
If you look at what has RE
On Nov 12, 2003, at 8:51 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
I think our changes that we already have in the tree is about 'right'
for 2.2 (no big architecture changes, but lots of modules have been
rewritten and improved). It's just that no one has time or desire to
shepherd 2.2 to a release. And, I
: Ben Hyde [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 7:24 AM
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Subject: Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions
please
I've quite a few ideas and opinions about why things might be quiet
these days. I'd recommend agains
I've quite a few ideas and opinions about why things might be quiet
these days. I'd recommend against taking any of these ideas too
seriously. Here is an idea: we have gotten out in front of the users.
Products have features and overtime they get more and more features.
Users have some abil
Mads Toftum wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 05:10:24PM -0800, Aaron Bannert wrote:
My main requirement is that the bug tracking system be fully-accessible
through email. Having a full web interface is great, but not at the
expense of usable offline replies to bug reports.
RT could be what you're lo
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 02:17:01AM +0100, Erik Abele wrote:
> Hmm, don't know, but I don't think so...
> Is bugzilla able to be fully controlled through email?
GCC switched from GNATS to Bugzilla. I think Daniel Berlin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> managed the transition and did some work on an
email <-> Bu
--On Wednesday, November 12, 2003 16:38:11 -0800 Aaron Bannert
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I believe Sander's suggested that we start a patch manager role
(discussion at AC Hackathon!). A few other projects I'm involved with
do this. It'd be goodness, I think. But, the problem is finding a
vo
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 02:17:01AM +0100, Erik Abele wrote:
> >My main requirement is that the bug tracking system be fully-accessible
> >through email. Having a full web interface is great, but not at the
> >expense of usable offline replies to bug reports.
>
> Okay, I can understand that.
>
> >
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 05:10:24PM -0800, Aaron Bannert wrote:
>
> My main requirement is that the bug tracking system be fully-accessible
> through email. Having a full web interface is great, but not at the
> expense of usable offline replies to bug reports.
>
RT could be what you're looking fo
On 13.11.2003, at 02:10, Aaron Bannert wrote:
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 02:04:31AM +0100, Erik Abele wrote:
I'd be very in favour of exploring other forms of bug-tracking. For
example
we'll have a full replication of BugZilla in Jira (/me hides) in the
near future
here on ASF hardware (see http://na
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 02:04:31AM +0100, Erik Abele wrote:
> I'd be very in favour of exploring other forms of bug-tracking. For
> example
> we'll have a full replication of BugZilla in Jira (/me hides) in the
> near future
> here on ASF hardware (see http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/ for a previ
On 13.11.2003, at 01:29, Aaron Bannert wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 05:14:35PM -0800, Stas Bekman wrote:
==
1) Bugs
searching for NEW and REOPENED bugs in httpd-2.0 returns: 420 entries
http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/buglist.
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 05:50:46PM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> --On Monday, November 10, 2003 17:14:35 -0800 Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> I believe Sander's suggested that we start a patch manager role (discussion
> at AC Hackathon!). A few other projects I'm involved with do
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 05:14:35PM -0800, Stas Bekman wrote:
> ==
> 1) Bugs
>
> searching for NEW and REOPENED bugs in httpd-2.0 returns: 420 entries
> http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPEN
hi,
2d). CRT seemed to come as a replacement for design discussions. It's
very easy to observe from the traffic numbers:
Please excuse the total ignorance of passive Apache-Dev readers, but
these abbreviations were new to me. I've found then im the Apache
Glossary, though, and provide them to all
ginal Message-
From: Colm MacCarthaigh,,, [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colm
MacCarthaigh
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:53 AM
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Subject: Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions
please
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 06:02:36AM -0700, Peter J. Cr
.
Peter
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From: Henri Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:25 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions
please
Peter J. Cranstone a écrit :
> There is no flame - just a couple of p
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 05:14:35PM -0800, Stas Bekman wrote:
> 3). Contributions
>
> I don't have numbers to support my clause, but I have a strong feeling
> that nowadays we see a much smaller number of posts with contributions
> from non-developers
More facetious than anything else, I'm going t
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 06:02:36AM -0700, Peter J. Cranstone wrote:
> So, anyone got any hard data that shows Apache 2.x serving pages "factors"
> faster than 1.x?
Yes, plenty :) ftp.heanet.ie serves about 1 million requests, well over
a terabyte of data per day and maintains an average of about 2
> Read "The Cathedral & The Bazaar" from ESR [2]. It provides a good
> insight into the social structures of the "community": motivations,
> incentives, .. It's not always the money, you know ;) Market share?
> Who cares! Customers? Who cares! I want my name to be a three letter
> acronym everyone
Peter J. Cranstone a écrit :
There is no flame - just a couple of points and a request for data.
If you want to improve something, you should provide solutions,
not critics
Certainly - early next year you will see them. Here are some current
performance stats with some new technology we're work
Daniel Lorch a écrit :
hi,
I'm not sure http-dev is the place to flam ASF and its commiters.
I don't think it was Peter's intention to flame anyone. The ASF has done
a great job to deliver a fantastic, widely-deployed webserver.
Consindering though that Apache 2 is mostly a refactored 1.3.x,
* Daniel Lorch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I can get my name into the headlines [1] when writing Java-Stuff,
> hell, then I'll do it.
>
> Read "The Cathedral & The Bazaar" from ESR [2]. It provides a good
> insight into the social structures of the "community": motivations,
> incentives, .. I
to wait long for that.
Long live the revolution
Regards,
Peter
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From: Henri Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions
please
Peter J. Cranst
hi,
I'm not sure http-dev is the place to flam ASF and its commiters.
I don't think it was Peter's intention to flame anyone. The ASF has done
a great job to deliver a fantastic, widely-deployed webserver.
Consindering though that Apache 2 is mostly a refactored 1.3.x, which
doesn't provide anyt
Peter J. Cranstone a écrit :
It's not anymore "cool" to work on Apache.
You nailed it - because no one knows where it's going. Where's the focus,
what does Apache really want to be, whose leading the charge?
I've been following this forum a long, long time and the change in the last
2 years has
the market you're a monopoly (close) and
we've all seen what happens when competition disappears from the market
place.
Regards,
Peter
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From: Daniel Lorch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
hi,
> 2d). CRT seemed to come as a replacement for design discussions. It's
> very easy to observe from the traffic numbers:
Please excuse the total ignorance of passive Apache-Dev readers, but
these abbreviations were new to me. I've found then im the Apache
Glossary, though, and provide them to
Stas Bekman wrote:
1) Bugs
searching for NEW and REOPENED bugs in httpd-2.0 returns: 420 entries
http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&product=Apache+httpd-2.0
yes, far too many :(
Suggestion: make bugzilla CC bug-reports to the dev list. Most
develope
shows Apache 2.x serving pages "factors"
faster than 1.x?
Regards,
Peter
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From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:00 AM
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Subject: Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely
At 07:14 PM 11/10/2003, Stas Bekman wrote:
>I have several reasons to believe that the wheel of httpd-dev life is
>slowing down and something has to be done to get this wheel up to the
>speed like in the good old days. The following observation are listed
>in no particular order. I've also tried to
At 07:14 PM 11/10/2003, Stas Bekman wrote:
>I have several reasons to believe that the wheel of httpd-dev life is
>slowing down and something has to be done to get this wheel up to the
>speed like in the good old days. The following observation are listed
>in no particular order. I've also tried to
--On Monday, November 10, 2003 17:14:35 -0800 Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Suggestion: make bugzilla CC bug-reports to the dev list. Most
developers won't just go and check the bugs database to see if there
Why can't they subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think throwing
all of th
I have several reasons to believe that the wheel of httpd-dev life is
slowing down and something has to be done to get this wheel up to the
speed like in the good old days. The following observation are listed
in no particular order. I've also tried to offer suggestions how to
resolve problems.
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