Re: SLF4J implementation [was Re: svn commit: r1380105 - in /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/ maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/ maven-embedder/ maven-embedder/src/main/java/or

2012-09-10 Thread Jason van Zyl

On Sep 9, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:

 Jason made a comment in a previous reply that said Ceki is also a committer, 
 and will help us fix anything when necessary so that, again, we can focus on 
 Maven and not logging.  http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html 
 doesn't list him as a committer on Maven
 

I didn't say he was a committer on Maven.

Jason

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Re: svn commit: r1380105 - in /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/ maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/ maven-embedder/ maven-embedder/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/cli/

2012-09-10 Thread Olivier Lamy
Le 9 sept. 2012 15:44, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io a écrit :

 I noted in the issue where the tool is and there's a standard Maven
plugin page there. Probably as well documented as how to do it with Plexus
:-)

For sure and I agree on that :-) (as responsible of that fact too :-) )
But as we always have  to learn from the past errors. It's probably time to
take care of the cliché: maven doc sucks !

 I have a series of posts I'm writing which can be the basis of
documentation.
Great and will be perfect to have that too in maven.apache.org website (the
page http://maven.apache.org/developers/mojo-api-specification.html looks
to be a good candidate for that)

 Code here[1], and the documentation is here[2].

 [1]: https://github.com/sonatype/sisu-maven-plugin
 [2]: http://sonatype.github.com/sisu-maven-plugin/

 On Sep 9, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote:

  2012/9/3  jvan...@apache.org:
  Author: jvanzyl
  Date: Mon Sep  3 01:07:31 2012
  New Revision: 1380105
 
  URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1380105view=rev
  Log:
  o Enabled support and discovery of JSR-330 components
 
  o Added Slf4j logger factory to support generic JSR-330 logging
 
  o Exported Guice package for components that access Guice (or better
it's injector) directly
 
  Widen export of Guice packages (not ideal, need to look into ways to
avoid this)
 
  o use specific exports
 
  o for now we will attempt to hide all of Guice in plugin realms and
we'll do a bit of testing
 
  closes #3
 

 Thanks,

 Jason

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Re: SLF4J implementation [was Re: svn commit: r1380105 - in /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/ maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/ maven-embedder/ maven-embedder/src/main/java/or

2012-09-10 Thread Anders Hammar
 But it would be nice to allow the end user the ability to swap out the 
 logging implementation if they want.

Yes, that would be very good. I know there's been questions on the
mailing list how to tweak the logging (don't remember exactly what the
wanted to do). So having something that would make it possible to
switch to their favorite logging implementation would be good (even
though it has to implement the slf4j api).

/Anders


 Ralph


 On Sep 9, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:

 On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote:

 No client code changes unless the client wants to change it to take 
 advantage of
 SLF4J.

 It's not the classes which change but the classpath does. It might then 
 contain clashing classes. That is what I'm afraid of to be honest. Because 
 we do not have the 'other side' (random plugins and projects) under our own 
 control.

 So, to be clear, we are not talking about the bridges *at all*.

 Thus, I claim that Mark's concern boils down to the following: Let's
 say that we add slf4j-api, slf4j-logback, and logback-whatever to the
 classpath. If I am following, you are worried that some plugin author
 somewhere is already using logback with a different version and might
 get an unpleasant surprise when the version we pick shows up.

 I find this scenario hard to credit. However, if it really worried us,
 we could shade the back end, and then the only possible means for
 trouble would be a plugin that wanted to use an incompatible version.

 If that's not what's worrying you, please humor me with a complete,
 concrete, example. If it is, can you cite an example of an existing
 plugin that would bust?





 LieGrue,
 strub



 - Original Message -
 From: Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io
 To: Maven Developers List dev@maven.apache.org
 Cc:
 Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 8:43 PM
 Subject: Re: SLF4J implementation [was Re: svn commit: r1380105 - in 
 /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/ 
 maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/ maven-embedder/ 
 maven-embedder/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/cli/]


 On Sep 9, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:

 Again, let's deal with this one thing at a time:

 1. Use slf4j-api as our primary facade/api for loggin in Maven. I'm in
 favor, because it's much more common and popular than plexus.

 2. Picking an slf4j-X to deliver logging to somewhere. I'm somewhat in
 favor of java.util.logging for this, because of the baroque classpath
 interactions of log4j initialization. But if others prefer log4j or
 even something else, OK.


 Yah, it's SLF4J so pick an implementation.

 3. Tossing one or more X-slf4j bridges into the default plugin
 classpath. If Mark's concerns about surprises have any foundations in
 technical reality, this is where they would turn up. I'm doubtful, but
 on the other hand, what if we just didn't do this, and left it to
 individual plugin authors to do this if, in fact, they wanted mapping
 from some other logging API?

 I'm not suggesting this. I've routed the Mojo.getLog() through SLF4J so
 it just does what it does now except the backing implementation is the 
 SLF4J
 implementation. If the user wants to use SLF4J and/or @Inject loggers than 
 they
 have to specify the dependency.

 No client code changes unless the client wants to change it to take 
 advantage of
 SLF4J.


 It would be good for some others to join this discussion.



 On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote:
 I think you're trying to preemptively solve for an issue that we
 may not have. I believe that if the right JARs are in the classpath first 
 we
 will easily be able to tell running the integration tests for Maven and the
 integration tests for all the plugins if there's going to be an issue. I
 believe the Ceki has probably run into every integration scenario 
 imaginable
 over the last 10 years and he'll help us if required.

 I have runt into nasty problems where the classpath and classloaders
 cannot be controlled directly from the host system, but this is obviously 
 within
 our purview to control.

 On Sep 9, 2012, at 1:22 PM, Mark Struberg wrote:


 Generally I use jul-to-slf4j and jcl-over-slf4j and then I
 don't care what
 components use what logging framework.
 Yes, only that this sometimes causes really unfriendly classcast
 exceptions :/

 How can we deal with those? Is there a retry possible? Imo not
 easily.
 Could we scan the plugin classpath upfront?
 Can a different class lookup strategy in our ClassRealms help?
 Don't we care at all and people must exclude log4j et all
 manually if they like to use a new maven version?


 LieGrue
 strub



 - Original Message -
 From: Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io
 To: Maven Developers List dev@maven.apache.org
 Cc:
 Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:08 PM
 Subject: Re: SLF4J implementation [was Re: svn commit: r1380105
 - in /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/
 

Re: SLF4J implementation [was Re: svn commit: r1380105 - in /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/ maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/ maven-embedder/ maven-embedder/src/main/java/or

2012-09-10 Thread ceki

On Sep 9, 2012 8:08:34 pm, Ralh Goers wrote:

 First, I also would recommend moving from plexus logging to SLF4J.

Cool.

 Mark's concerns with incompatibilities only come about with the log4j
 bridge if you are trying to use APis that the SLF4J bridge hasn't
 implemented.  Something being used in a plugin really shouldn't be
 using those.

Exactly.

 Although Ceki is generally careful not to break compatibility, it has
 happened.  For example, you cannot mix applications that use SLF4J
 1.6.x with code that uses SLF4J 1.5.x.  Likewise, Logback is very much
 tied to the SLF4J version.  See http://www.slf4j.org/news.html.  If
 core is using SLF4J and an incompatible change is made again it
 probably won't be that big of a deal. Typically, when compatibility
 has been broken it really hasn't impacted code that uses the SLF4J
 API.

SLF4J's user facing API, that is classes or interfaces located in the
org.slf4j package such as Logger, Marker, MDC and LoggerFactory have
been there and remain unchanged since day one (2005). Thus, a user
never has to worry about with which version of slf4j-api a dependency
was compiled with. A user can pick any version of slf4j-api-api.jar
and as long as the version of the binding of her choice matches, slf4j
will function correctly. See also [1,2].

The internal interfaces, those in the org.slf4j.spi or
org.slf4j.helpers packages, may change incompatibly. One of the most
notable occasions was in the 1.6.0 release when the
LocationAwareLogger interface was changed. It was done so in response
to a bug report [3] filed by... Ralph.  The reader will appreciate the
irony.

More objectively though, Ralph filed a valid bug report and the only
way to fix it was by making an incompatible change in an *internal*
interface. Unfortunately, given the ubiquity of SLF4J, such
incompatible changes somehow manage to leak into user-space and annoy
the hell out of many developers. SLF4J is designed so that the
problems occurring when deploying SLF4J are obvious with obvious
solutions -- SLF4J is stupid by design. (Feel free to quote.)

 Mark mentioned shading as a way to fix any problems with SLF4J
 conflicts. I am not sure if shading will work with SLF4J.
 Implementations must provide a class named
 org.slf4j.impl.StaticLoggerBinder, org.slf4j.impl.StaticMarkerBinder
 and org.slf4j.impl.StaticMDCBinder.

 Jason made a comment in a previous reply that said Ceki is also a
 committer, and will help us fix anything when necessary so that,
 again, we can focus on Maven and not logging.
 http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html doesn't list him as a
 committer on Maven and Ceki has said publicly and privately that he is
 unlikely to contribute to ASF projects.  However, while the statement
 is incorrect I don't understand why what Ceki would or wouldn't do
 would have any bearing on whether Maven adopts SLF4J.

If need be, I'll happily answer questions and guide you through the
process of migrating to SLF4J. However, I agree with Ralph, my person
should have no bearing to whether Maven adopts SLF4J or not.

 Finally, I've been working on Log4j 2 for over 3 years now. The reason
 I started working on it was due to deficiencies in Logback that occur
 in large scale web applications and probably don't matter in something
 like Maven. But it would be nice to allow the end user the ability to
 swap out the logging implementation if they want.

Absolutely. In light of commit r1380105, the next step is for you
(Maven folks) to formulate a policy for swapping out logging
back-ends. In my not so humble opinion, all other questions are moot
if you don't have a working policy for swapping-in/swapping-out
logging frameworks. Lacking the necessary knowledge about how Maven
bootstraps itself or how it manages its classloaders, I am not in a
position to formulate such policy. On the other hand, there is more
than enough expert knowledge here to address this problem. I intend to
follow your future discussions with interest.

[1] http://www.slf4j.org/manual.html#compatibility
[2] http://www.slf4j.org/codes.html#version_mismatch
[3] http://bugzilla.slf4j.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127

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Re: SLF4J implementation [was Re: svn commit: r1380105 - in /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/ maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/ maven-embedder/ maven-embedder/src/main/java/or

2012-09-10 Thread Mark Struberg

 Absolutely. In light of commit r1380105, the next step is for you
 (Maven folks) to formulate a policy for swapping out logging
 back-ends. 

Well that is what this is all about. And we have this solution available in 
Maven since 2004. There is already a logging facade which is widely used: 
org.codehaus.plexus.Logger


This is used in whole Maven including all plugins which exist. All Maven 
messages get routed through it. I just see no reason for swapping out A1 for 
A2. At least not if A1 is working for years and all the Maven APIs are using 
it. I'm talking about 100 API signatures we would need to change in an 
incompatible way sooner or later!


I'm perfectly fine to back the plexus.Logger facade with SLF4J as default impl, 
but please let's not get this into our API or export it to users!

LieGrue,
strub

PS: there is a _huge_ difference whether you like to use a logging framework in 
a container or in an end-user application. In a container you just don't know 
what the user will throw into your container. And we did tried SLF4J for 
containers a few times and did hit those fundamental problems pretty early on. 
I'm pretty sure you know exactly what I mean. Others can grab the MyFaces, 
tomcat, OpenWebBeans, OpenJPA, ... lists for more info. Most time we either 
ended up doing our own logging facade or used JUL (yea it sucks big times, but 
at least it doesn't create classpath conflicts).




- Original Message -
 From: ceki c...@qos.ch
 To: Maven Developers List dev@maven.apache.org
 Cc: 
 Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 12:39 PM
 Subject: Re: SLF4J implementation [was Re: svn commit: r1380105 - in 
 /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/ 
 maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/ maven-embedder/ 
 maven-embedder/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/cli/]
 
 On Sep 9, 2012 8:08:34 pm, Ralh Goers wrote:
 
  First, I also would recommend moving from plexus logging to SLF4J.
 
 Cool.
 
  Mark's concerns with incompatibilities only come about with the log4j
  bridge if you are trying to use APis that the SLF4J bridge hasn't
  implemented.  Something being used in a plugin really shouldn't be
  using those.
 
 Exactly.
 
  Although Ceki is generally careful not to break compatibility, it has
  happened.  For example, you cannot mix applications that use SLF4J
  1.6.x with code that uses SLF4J 1.5.x.  Likewise, Logback is very much
  tied to the SLF4J version.  See http://www.slf4j.org/news.html.  If
  core is using SLF4J and an incompatible change is made again it
  probably won't be that big of a deal. Typically, when compatibility
  has been broken it really hasn't impacted code that uses the SLF4J
  API.
 
 SLF4J's user facing API, that is classes or interfaces located in the
 org.slf4j package such as Logger, Marker, MDC and LoggerFactory have
 been there and remain unchanged since day one (2005). Thus, a user
 never has to worry about with which version of slf4j-api a dependency
 was compiled with. A user can pick any version of slf4j-api-api.jar
 and as long as the version of the binding of her choice matches, slf4j
 will function correctly. See also [1,2].
 
 The internal interfaces, those in the org.slf4j.spi or
 org.slf4j.helpers packages, may change incompatibly. One of the most
 notable occasions was in the 1.6.0 release when the
 LocationAwareLogger interface was changed. It was done so in response
 to a bug report [3] filed by... Ralph.  The reader will appreciate the
 irony.
 
 More objectively though, Ralph filed a valid bug report and the only
 way to fix it was by making an incompatible change in an *internal*
 interface. Unfortunately, given the ubiquity of SLF4J, such
 incompatible changes somehow manage to leak into user-space and annoy
 the hell out of many developers. SLF4J is designed so that the
 problems occurring when deploying SLF4J are obvious with obvious
 solutions -- SLF4J is stupid by design. (Feel free to quote.)
 
  Mark mentioned shading as a way to fix any problems with SLF4J
  conflicts. I am not sure if shading will work with SLF4J.
  Implementations must provide a class named
  org.slf4j.impl.StaticLoggerBinder, org.slf4j.impl.StaticMarkerBinder
  and org.slf4j.impl.StaticMDCBinder.
 
  Jason made a comment in a previous reply that said Ceki is also a
  committer, and will help us fix anything when necessary so that,
  again, we can focus on Maven and not logging.
  http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html doesn't list him as a
  committer on Maven and Ceki has said publicly and privately that he is
  unlikely to contribute to ASF projects.  However, while the statement
  is incorrect I don't understand why what Ceki would or wouldn't do
  would have any bearing on whether Maven adopts SLF4J.
 
 If need be, I'll happily answer questions and guide you through the
 process of migrating to SLF4J. However, I agree with Ralph, my person
 should have no bearing to whether Maven adopts SLF4J or not.
 
  Finally, I've been working on Log4j 2 for 

Re: SLF4J implementation [was Re: svn commit: r1380105 - in /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/ maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/ maven-embedder/ maven-embedder/src/main/java/or

2012-09-10 Thread ceki


Mark, I hope I did not convey the wrong message in my previous
email. Commit r1380105 provides a backward compatible way for existing
Maven plug-ins to continue using org.codehaus.plexus.Logger. The said
Plexus logger would delegate to org.slf4j.Logger to perform actual
logging. By a policy for swapping out logging back-ends, I meant
formulating a policy leveraging SLF4J's own binding mechanism within
Maven.

For the purposes of this discussion), if slf4j-simple.jar is the
default logging back-end in Maven, Maven's logging pluggability policy
for switching to j.u.l. could be as straightforward as removing
slf4j-simple.jar from $MAVEN_HOME/lib and replacing it with
slf4j-jul.jar in $MAVEN_HOME/lib. Switching to log4j would entail
replacing slf4j-jul.jar with slf4j-log4j12.jar and log4j.jar in
$MAVEN_HOME/lib. Switching logback would mean replacing
slf4j-log4j12.jar and log4j.jar with logback-core.jar and
logback-classic.jar in $MAVEN_HOME/lib. You get the idea.

As mentioned in my previous message, I don't know if the above would
work due to my ignorance of exactly how Maven bootstraps.

As for exporting SLF4J to Maven plug-ins, you are correct to observe 
that this would tie Maven to the SLF4J API. In my undeniably biased 
view, attempts at mitigating such coupling invariably yield poor 
results. Please see for further discussion.


  http://www.slf4j.org/faq.html#optional_dependency
  http://tinyurl.com/soWrapping

On 10.09.2012 13:06, Mark Struberg wrote:

Absolutely. In light of commit r1380105, the next step is for you
(Maven folks) to formulate a policy for swapping out logging
back-ends.


 Well that is what this is all about. And we have this solution
 available in Maven since 2004. There is already a logging facade which
 is widely used: org.codehaus.plexus.Logger

 This is used in whole Maven including all plugins which exist. All
 Maven messages get routed through it. I just see no reason for
 swapping out A1 for A2.  At least not if A1 is working for years and
 all the Maven APIs are using it. I'm talking about 100 API signatures
 we would need to change in an incompatible way sooner or later!

 I'm perfectly fine to back the plexus.Logger facade with SLF4J as
 default impl, but please let's not get this into our API or export it
 to users!

 PS: there is a _huge_ difference whether you like to use a logging
 framework in a container or in an end-user application. In a container
 you just don't know what the user will throw into your container. And
 we did tried SLF4J for containers a few times and did hit those
 fundamental problems pretty early on. I'm pretty sure you know exactly
 what I mean. Others can grab the MyFaces, tomcat, OpenWebBeans,
 OpenJPA, ... lists for more info. Most time we either ended up doing
 our own logging facade or used JUL (yea it sucks big times, but at
 least it doesn't create classpath conflicts).

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Followup: use the #evaluate Velocity macro in the skin Velocity emplate

2012-09-10 Thread Simone Tripodi
Hi all guys,

I invested some time on trying the upgrade and I miserably failed :(

The fact is that I didn't get explicit warnings/errors, the macro was
simply ignored and rendered as #evaluate String, with arguments.

Can someone please, with more doxia background, help me on give a try?

Many thanks in advance, all the best!
-Simo

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http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Lukas Theussl ltheu...@apache.org wrote:

 FYI: I've had troubles trying to upgrade velocity beyond version 1.5:
 http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/DOXIASITETOOLS-39

 IIRC, the main problem was backward compatibility. It should be ok with
 current skin versions but that's not tested.

 HTH,
 -Lukas


 Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
 Hi Simone,

 Velocity is a direct dependency of doxia-site-renderer [2] and maven-
 reporting-exec [3] and ultimately of maven-site-plugin.
 I had a look at m-site-p trunk sources and actual Velocity version is 1.5.

 For immediate tests, you can try to override Velocity dependency in your 
 pom's
 m-site-p plugin configuration.
 And later, add a Jira issue and change dependency in m-site-p trunk if you
 know Velocity well and are sure this won't break actual user sites (using
 Velocity 1.5 implicitely). I added explicit Velocity version in r1378417.


 Regards,

 Hervé

 [2] http://maven.apache.org/doxia/doxia-sitetools/index.html

 [3] http://maven.apache.org/shared/maven-reporting-exec/

 Le mardi 28 aoűt 2012 14:02:12 Simone Tripodi a écrit :
 Hi all guys,

 as per subject, before cutting the current fluido RC, Robert and I
 gave some tries to evaluate strings inside the skin template using the
 #evaluate Velocity macro[1] but with no success... I guess mainly
 because the used velocity engine is a previous version which doesn't
 support that yet, but my question is if someone can point me to the
 direction on how I can provide my help on performing that upgrade.

 TIA, all the best!
 -Simo

 [1] http://velocity.apache.org/engine/devel/vtl-reference-guide.html

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Re: SLF4J implementation [was Re: svn commit: r1380105 - in /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/ maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/ maven-embedder/ maven-embedder/src/main/java/or

2012-09-10 Thread Ralph Goers

On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:06 AM, Mark Struberg wrote:

 
 Absolutely. In light of commit r1380105, the next step is for you
 (Maven folks) to formulate a policy for swapping out logging
 back-ends. 
 
 Well that is what this is all about. And we have this solution available in 
 Maven since 2004. There is already a logging facade which is widely used: 
 org.codehaus.plexus.Logger
 
 
 This is used in whole Maven including all plugins which exist. All Maven 
 messages get routed through it. I just see no reason for swapping out A1 for 
 A2. At least not if A1 is working for years and all the Maven APIs are using 
 it. I'm talking about 100 API signatures we would need to change in an 
 incompatible way sooner or later!
 
 
 I'm perfectly fine to back the plexus.Logger facade with SLF4J as default 
 impl, but please let's not get this into our API or export it to users!

You shouldn't be fine with this.  When you wrap SFL4J with a facade you will 
lose all the stack trace info that tells you where your log events are being 
generated as they will all point to the facade instead of the actual code doing 
the logging.

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Re: SLF4J implementation [was Re: svn commit: r1380105 - in /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/ maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/ maven-embedder/ maven-embedder/src/main/java/or

2012-09-10 Thread Ralph Goers
Sorry - I should have added - unless your facade uses LocationAwareLogger 
instead of the normal Logger.

Ralph

On Sep 10, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:

 
 On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:06 AM, Mark Struberg wrote:
 
 
 Absolutely. In light of commit r1380105, the next step is for you
 (Maven folks) to formulate a policy for swapping out logging
 back-ends. 
 
 Well that is what this is all about. And we have this solution available in 
 Maven since 2004. There is already a logging facade which is widely used: 
 org.codehaus.plexus.Logger
 
 
 This is used in whole Maven including all plugins which exist. All Maven 
 messages get routed through it. I just see no reason for swapping out A1 for 
 A2. At least not if A1 is working for years and all the Maven APIs are using 
 it. I'm talking about 100 API signatures we would need to change in an 
 incompatible way sooner or later!
 
 
 I'm perfectly fine to back the plexus.Logger facade with SLF4J as default 
 impl, but please let's not get this into our API or export it to users!
 
 You shouldn't be fine with this.  When you wrap SFL4J with a facade you will 
 lose all the stack trace info that tells you where your log events are being 
 generated as they will all point to the facade instead of the actual code 
 doing the logging.
 
 Ralph


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Re: [ETA] Sites on svnpubsub

2012-09-10 Thread Olivier Lamy
Hi,
Except someone complains I will start release of
maven-scm-publish-plugin tomorrow.

2012/9/5 Olivier Lamy ol...@apache.org:
 Hi Folks,
 First reminder, moving site and distribution to svnpubsub is mandatory
 for the end of the year (the good is dist and sync are very very fast
 opposite to the current rsync process)
 As you remember, Hervé started some times ago a test site
 http://maventest.apache.org which is a mix of cms and simple svnpubsub
 tru the plugin maven-scm-publish-plugin  [1].
 I have recently work a bit on that and tested/improved a bit the
 plugin (kudo to Hervé and Benson for starting that !).
 Note it works on svn and git (including gh-pages github feature).
 I have tested that on other Apache projects (direct memory.a.o and
 archiva.a.o) and I think it works fine.
 Feel free to have a look at the documentation.
 My goal is to release this plugin around next week (that's why I
 started a scm release first as I need some fixes/features).

 Then I have finished importing all of the content to
 http://maventest.apache.org .
 At this point we are ok to switch to svnpubsub for sites too.
 BTW we will have to document more the procedure when releasing a
 plugin/component/project.

 Any questions/comments are really welcome.

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Re: SLF4J implementation [was Re: svn commit: r1380105 - in /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/ maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/ maven-embedder/ maven-embedder/src/main/java/or

2012-09-10 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau
wait men,

we speak about maven right? how often do you configure your logs to be
verbose?

it is often simply [level] - message

other usages are advanced (an user will never activate it - i agree when
you dev you can but dev are not targeted users IMO?)

so for such a simple need whatever framework you use will be fine no?

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2012/9/10 Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com

 Sorry - I should have added - unless your facade uses LocationAwareLogger
 instead of the normal Logger.

 Ralph

 On Sep 10, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:

 
  On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:06 AM, Mark Struberg wrote:
 
 
  Absolutely. In light of commit r1380105, the next step is for you
  (Maven folks) to formulate a policy for swapping out logging
  back-ends.
 
  Well that is what this is all about. And we have this solution
 available in Maven since 2004. There is already a logging facade which is
 widely used: org.codehaus.plexus.Logger
 
 
  This is used in whole Maven including all plugins which exist. All
 Maven messages get routed through it. I just see no reason for swapping out
 A1 for A2. At least not if A1 is working for years and all the Maven APIs
 are using it. I'm talking about 100 API signatures we would need to change
 in an incompatible way sooner or later!
 
 
  I'm perfectly fine to back the plexus.Logger facade with SLF4J as
 default impl, but please let's not get this into our API or export it to
 users!
 
  You shouldn't be fine with this.  When you wrap SFL4J with a facade you
 will lose all the stack trace info that tells you where your log events are
 being generated as they will all point to the facade instead of the actual
 code doing the logging.
 
  Ralph


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Re: Followup: use the #evaluate Velocity macro in the skin Velocity emplate

2012-09-10 Thread Lukas Theussl

Hi Simone,

I will try to have a look if you create a JIRA with a test project that
I can play with. No promises though, my velocity skills are quite rusty
by now...

-Lukas


Simone Tripodi wrote:
 Hi all guys,
 
 I invested some time on trying the upgrade and I miserably failed :(
 
 The fact is that I didn't get explicit warnings/errors, the macro was
 simply ignored and rendered as #evaluate String, with arguments.
 
 Can someone please, with more doxia background, help me on give a try?
 
 Many thanks in advance, all the best!
 -Simo
 
 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
 http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
 http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
 http://www.99soft.org/
 
 
 On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Lukas Theussl ltheu...@apache.org wrote:

 FYI: I've had troubles trying to upgrade velocity beyond version 1.5:
 http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/DOXIASITETOOLS-39

 IIRC, the main problem was backward compatibility. It should be ok with
 current skin versions but that's not tested.

 HTH,
 -Lukas


 Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
 Hi Simone,

 Velocity is a direct dependency of doxia-site-renderer [2] and maven-
 reporting-exec [3] and ultimately of maven-site-plugin.
 I had a look at m-site-p trunk sources and actual Velocity version is 1.5.

 For immediate tests, you can try to override Velocity dependency in your 
 pom's
 m-site-p plugin configuration.
 And later, add a Jira issue and change dependency in m-site-p trunk if you
 know Velocity well and are sure this won't break actual user sites (using
 Velocity 1.5 implicitely). I added explicit Velocity version in r1378417.


 Regards,

 Hervé

 [2] http://maven.apache.org/doxia/doxia-sitetools/index.html

 [3] http://maven.apache.org/shared/maven-reporting-exec/

 Le mardi 28 aoűt 2012 14:02:12 Simone Tripodi a écrit :
 Hi all guys,

 as per subject, before cutting the current fluido RC, Robert and I
 gave some tries to evaluate strings inside the skin template using the
 #evaluate Velocity macro[1] but with no success... I guess mainly
 because the used velocity engine is a previous version which doesn't
 support that yet, but my question is if someone can point me to the
 direction on how I can provide my help on performing that upgrade.

 TIA, all the best!
 -Simo

 [1] http://velocity.apache.org/engine/devel/vtl-reference-guide.html

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Re: SLF4J implementation [was Re: svn commit: r1380105 - in /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/ maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/ maven-embedder/ maven-embedder/src/main/java/or

2012-09-10 Thread Stephen Connolly
Yep lots of people mess this up big time... I should know having ended up
writing my own logging adapter at one point in time...

The only api that came close to offering all the required features was
slf4j... And the missing features were in my view less optimal and largely
driven by the telecoms architect's policy doc... I18nized logs for info and
higher is a bit nuts... And can kill perf (as you need the ability to
reorder the positional params which slf4j's performance impl prevents)

Mark I humbly think you are arguing in a hole... But feel free to enlighten
me with a good reason

On Monday, 10 September 2012, Ralph Goers wrote:

 Sorry - I should have added - unless your facade uses LocationAwareLogger
 instead of the normal Logger.

 Ralph

 On Sep 10, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:

 
  On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:06 AM, Mark Struberg wrote:
 
 
  Absolutely. In light of commit r1380105, the next step is for you
  (Maven folks) to formulate a policy for swapping out logging
  back-ends.
 
  Well that is what this is all about. And we have this solution
 available in Maven since 2004. There is already a logging facade which is
 widely used: org.codehaus.plexus.Logger
 
 
  This is used in whole Maven including all plugins which exist. All
 Maven messages get routed through it. I just see no reason for swapping out
 A1 for A2. At least not if A1 is working for years and all the Maven APIs
 are using it. I'm talking about 100 API signatures we would need to change
 in an incompatible way sooner or later!
 
 
  I'm perfectly fine to back the plexus.Logger facade with SLF4J as
 default impl, but please let's not get this into our API or export it to
 users!
 
  You shouldn't be fine with this.  When you wrap SFL4J with a facade you
 will lose all the stack trace info that tells you where your log events are
 being generated as they will all point to the facade instead of the actual
 code doing the logging.
 
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2012-09-10 Thread Benson Margulies
There are people who embed Maven, and they are likely to find it
congenial that they can make it talk to the logging framework of their
choice by dropping in slf4j-X as needed. For the ordinary
command-line, Jason and I and others think that we just pick a
backend, put the appropriate jar into M2_HOME/lib, and set up a
reasonable default configuration, suitable tweaked by -X.

Yes, we could do like CXF and have our own -- arguably, we already do,
with Plexus. (Mark's point, I think.) CXF has particular discontents
with slf4J related to I18N that Maven has never cared about.

My view is that SLF4J has become so ubiquitous that the number of
people who will find it congenial will overwhelm the number of people
who find it inconvenient or problematic.

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the simplest possible maven plugin, sort of

2012-09-10 Thread Benson Margulies
In Maven 2.x, the following was true; the reactor could not apply a
plugin it had just built. So, if a particular problem required a
plugin (e.g., for generating code), the plugin has to be an
independent project that is built in advance. Is this still true in
3.x?

On a related front, have any readers used any of the 'not in java'
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Re: the simplest possible maven plugin, sort of

2012-09-10 Thread Daniel Kulp

On Sep 10, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:

 In Maven 2.x, the following was true; the reactor could not apply a
 plugin it had just built. So, if a particular problem required a
 plugin (e.g., for generating code), the plugin has to be an
 independent project that is built in advance. Is this still true in
 3.x?

I don't think this is/was true.   CXF has always used it's own codegen plugins 
within its reactor build, even with Maven 2.x.

Dan


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Re: SLF4J implementation [was Re: svn commit: r1380105 - in /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/ maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/ maven-embedder/ maven-embedder/src/main/java/or

2012-09-10 Thread Jason van Zyl

On Sep 10, 2012, at 8:04 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:

 There are people who embed Maven, and they are likely to find it
 congenial that they can make it talk to the logging framework of their
 choice by dropping in slf4j-X as needed. For the ordinary
 command-line, Jason and I and others think that we just pick a
 backend, put the appropriate jar into M2_HOME/lib, and set up a
 reasonable default configuration, suitable tweaked by -X.
 
 Yes, we could do like CXF and have our own -- arguably, we already do,
 with Plexus. (Mark's point, I think.) CXF has particular discontents
 with slf4J related to I18N that Maven has never cared about.
 
 My view is that SLF4J has become so ubiquitous that the number of
 people who will find it congenial will overwhelm the number of people
 who find it inconvenient or problematic.

Yes, I think that's the conclusion that most come to.

I think most of us agree that SLF4J is the best choice for a logging facade.

That said I will finish off my branch to route everything via SLF4J. I will 
also write up how to swap out the logging implementation but to start I will 
just put in slf4j-simple. I'm not picky about the implementation because it's 
easy to change the simple implementation is the closest to the behaviour that's 
there now.

I just need to sort out how to flip over to a file when that command line 
option is set and then I'll be finished.

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Re: the simplest possible maven plugin, sort of

2012-09-10 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote:

 On Sep 10, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:

 In Maven 2.x, the following was true; the reactor could not apply a
 plugin it had just built. So, if a particular problem required a
 plugin (e.g., for generating code), the plugin has to be an
 independent project that is built in advance. Is this still true in
 3.x?

 I don't think this is/was true.   CXF has always used it's own codegen 
 plugins within its reactor build, even with Maven 2.x.

Dan, I'll try it again, but I could have sworn that this only works by
running 'mvn' twice, so that there's a SNAPSHOT in ~/.m2/repository.


 Dan


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Re: the simplest possible maven plugin, sort of

2012-09-10 Thread Arnaud Héritier
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote:
 
  On Sep 10, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  In Maven 2.x, the following was true; the reactor could not apply a
  plugin it had just built. So, if a particular problem required a
  plugin (e.g., for generating code), the plugin has to be an
  independent project that is built in advance. Is this still true in
  3.x?
 
  I don't think this is/was true.   CXF has always used it's own codegen
 plugins within its reactor build, even with Maven 2.x.

 Dan, I'll try it again, but I could have sworn that this only works by
 running 'mvn' twice, so that there's a SNAPSHOT in ~/.m2/repository.



I'm almost sure I had the same experience like Benson.
It doesn't work in one step because maven reads all projects in the
reactor, then tries to resolve the plugin where you are using it and cannot
because it was built.

Arnaud


Re: the simplest possible maven plugin, sort of

2012-09-10 Thread Anders Hammar
I'm fairly sure this didn't work in Maven 2.x. It was one of the
unsolvable Maven 2.x bugs which was fixed in Maven 3. The workaround
would be to use an older released version of the plugin. Don't think
running a build twice is/was a workable workaround as I can't see how
that would work in a release process.

/Anders

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Arnaud Héritier aherit...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Benson Margulies 
 bimargul...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote:
 
  On Sep 10, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  In Maven 2.x, the following was true; the reactor could not apply a
  plugin it had just built. So, if a particular problem required a
  plugin (e.g., for generating code), the plugin has to be an
  independent project that is built in advance. Is this still true in
  3.x?
 
  I don't think this is/was true.   CXF has always used it's own codegen
 plugins within its reactor build, even with Maven 2.x.

 Dan, I'll try it again, but I could have sworn that this only works by
 running 'mvn' twice, so that there's a SNAPSHOT in ~/.m2/repository.



 I'm almost sure I had the same experience like Benson.
 It doesn't work in one step because maven reads all projects in the
 reactor, then tries to resolve the plugin where you are using it and cannot
 because it was built.

 Arnaud

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plugin-plugin 1 (or 3), me 0

2012-09-10 Thread Benson Margulies
My plugin has an @Mojo on itself. I'm so far failing to figure out
what I'm missing.

INFO] --- maven-plugin-plugin:3.1:descriptor (default-descriptor) @
r4dws-client-codegen-maven-plugin ---
...
[INFO] 
[INFO] BUILD FAILURE
[INFO] 
[INFO] Total time: 3.952s
[INFO] Finished at: Mon Sep 10 15:11:58 EDT 2012
[INFO] Final Memory: 17M/81M
[INFO] 
[ERROR] Failed to execute goal
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-plugin-plugin:3.1:descriptor
(default-descriptor) on project r4dws-client-codegen-maven-plugin:
Error extracting plugin descriptor: 'No mojo definitions were found
for plugin: com.basistech.rlp:r4dws-client-codegen-maven-plugin.' -
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Re: plugin-plugin 1 (or 3), me 0

2012-09-10 Thread Olivier Lamy
Did you apply exactly pom sample from
http://maven.apache.org/plugin-tools/maven-plugin-plugin/examples/using-annotations.html
?

2012/9/10 Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com:
 My plugin has an @Mojo on itself. I'm so far failing to figure out
 what I'm missing.

 INFO] --- maven-plugin-plugin:3.1:descriptor (default-descriptor) @
 r4dws-client-codegen-maven-plugin ---
 ...
 [INFO] 
 
 [INFO] BUILD FAILURE
 [INFO] 
 
 [INFO] Total time: 3.952s
 [INFO] Finished at: Mon Sep 10 15:11:58 EDT 2012
 [INFO] Final Memory: 17M/81M
 [INFO] 
 
 [ERROR] Failed to execute goal
 org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-plugin-plugin:3.1:descriptor
 (default-descriptor) on project r4dws-client-codegen-maven-plugin:
 Error extracting plugin descriptor: 'No mojo definitions were found
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Re: plugin-plugin 1 (or 3), me 0

2012-09-10 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Olivier Lamy ol...@apache.org wrote:
 Did you apply exactly pom sample from
 http://maven.apache.org/plugin-tools/maven-plugin-plugin/examples/using-annotations.html

Sadly, I did not. I thought I did, but I was wrong. Now I'm fine.

 ?

 2012/9/10 Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com:
 My plugin has an @Mojo on itself. I'm so far failing to figure out
 what I'm missing.

 INFO] --- maven-plugin-plugin:3.1:descriptor (default-descriptor) @
 r4dws-client-codegen-maven-plugin ---
 ...
 [INFO] 
 
 [INFO] BUILD FAILURE
 [INFO] 
 
 [INFO] Total time: 3.952s
 [INFO] Finished at: Mon Sep 10 15:11:58 EDT 2012
 [INFO] Final Memory: 17M/81M
 [INFO] 
 
 [ERROR] Failed to execute goal
 org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-plugin-plugin:3.1:descriptor
 (default-descriptor) on project r4dws-client-codegen-maven-plugin:
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Re: svn commit: r1380105 - in /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/ maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/ maven-embedder/ maven-embedder/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/cli/

2012-09-10 Thread Olivier Lamy
Perso due to this change I'm more for a 3.1 (it's just a matter of
jiras bulk change :-) )

2012/9/9 Robert Scholte rfscho...@apache.org:
 It looks to me the changes fit more a 3.0.5

 I always had in mind, that with the 3.1 we would make the pom-parser more
 strict meaning:
 - don't warn but fail for plugins without versions
 - don't warn but fail for duplicate dependency entries
 (there are probably more...)

 Robert


 Op Sun, 09 Sep 2012 12:31:06 +0200 schreef Anders Hammar
 and...@hammar.net:


 Anyone -1 of bumping to v3.1 for core?

 /Anders

 On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Stephen Connolly
 stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote:

 +1 on bump to 3.1

 On Friday, 7 September 2012, Anders Hammar wrote:

 I know. But there wasn't much visible change in v3.0 either. And I'm
 thinking that it would be easier to communicate a dependency on Maven
 3.1+ than 3.0.5+ if some component utilizes the JSR330 support.

 Version numbers are cheap. Why not bump and get some attention? :-)

 /Anders

 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote:
  There are no visible user changes, so I don't think so. There aren't
 even any changes to integrators unless they want to use take advantage
 of
 the changes.
 
  On Sep 7, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Anders Hammar wrote:
 
  Maybe this even should bump the version to v3.1?
 
  /Anders
 
  On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Olivier Lamy ol...@apache.org
  wrote:
  Maybe I miss something but we don't have any associated jira entry
  for
  reference in release notes neither core it test.
  Do you have a bit of time for that ?
 
  Thanks
  --
  Olivier
  2012/9/3  jvan...@apache.org:
  Author: jvanzyl
  Date: Mon Sep  3 01:07:31 2012
  New Revision: 1380105
 
  URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1380105view=rev
  Log:
  o Enabled support and discovery of JSR-330 components
 
  o Added Slf4j logger factory to support generic JSR-330 logging
 
  o Exported Guice package for components that access Guice (or
  better
 it's injector) directly
 
  Widen export of Guice packages (not ideal, need to look into ways
  to
 avoid this)
 
  o use specific exports
 
  o for now we will attempt to hide all of Guice in plugin realms and
 we'll do a bit of testing
 
  closes #3
 
  Added:
 

 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-embedder/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/cli/PlexusLogger.java
 

 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-embedder/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/cli/PlexusLoggerFactory.java
  Modified:
 maven/maven-3/trunk/apache-maven/pom.xml
 

 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/DefaultClassRealmManager.java
 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-embedder/pom.xml
 

 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-embedder/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/cli/MavenCli.java
 maven/maven-3/trunk/pom.xml
 
  Modified: maven/maven-3/trunk/apache-maven/pom.xml
  URL:

 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/maven-3/trunk/apache-maven/pom.xml?rev=1380105r1=1380104r2=1380105view=diff
 

 ==
  --- maven/maven-3/trunk/apache-maven/pom.xml (original)
  +++ maven/maven-3/trunk/apache-maven/pom.xml Mon Sep  3 01:07:31
  2012
  @@ -83,6 +83,10 @@
groupIdorg.sonatype.aether/groupId
artifactIdaether-connector-wagon/artifactId
  /dependency
  +dependency
  +  groupIdorg.slf4j/groupId
  +  artifactIdslf4j-nop/artifactId
  +/dependency
/dependencies
 
build
 
  Modified:

 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/DefaultClassRealmManager.java
  URL:

 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-core/src/main/java/org/http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/DefaultClassRealmManager.java?rev=1380105r1=1380104r2=1380105view=diff


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Re: svn commit: r1380105 - in /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/ maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/ maven-embedder/ maven-embedder/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/cli/

2012-09-10 Thread Dennis Lundberg
+1 for 3.1

On 2012-09-07 22:19, Anders Hammar wrote:
 I know. But there wasn't much visible change in v3.0 either. And I'm
 thinking that it would be easier to communicate a dependency on Maven
 3.1+ than 3.0.5+ if some component utilizes the JSR330 support.
 
 Version numbers are cheap. Why not bump and get some attention? :-)
 
 /Anders
 
 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote:
 There are no visible user changes, so I don't think so. There aren't even 
 any changes to integrators unless they want to use take advantage of the 
 changes.

 On Sep 7, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Anders Hammar wrote:

 Maybe this even should bump the version to v3.1?

 /Anders

 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Olivier Lamy ol...@apache.org wrote:
 Maybe I miss something but we don't have any associated jira entry for
 reference in release notes neither core it test.
 Do you have a bit of time for that ?

 Thanks
 --
 Olivier
 2012/9/3  jvan...@apache.org:
 Author: jvanzyl
 Date: Mon Sep  3 01:07:31 2012
 New Revision: 1380105

 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1380105view=rev
 Log:
 o Enabled support and discovery of JSR-330 components

 o Added Slf4j logger factory to support generic JSR-330 logging

 o Exported Guice package for components that access Guice (or better it's 
 injector) directly

 Widen export of Guice packages (not ideal, need to look into ways to 
 avoid this)

 o use specific exports

 o for now we will attempt to hide all of Guice in plugin realms and we'll 
 do a bit of testing

 closes #3

 Added:

 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-embedder/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/cli/PlexusLogger.java

 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-embedder/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/cli/PlexusLoggerFactory.java
 Modified:
maven/maven-3/trunk/apache-maven/pom.xml

 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/DefaultClassRealmManager.java
maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-embedder/pom.xml

 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-embedder/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/cli/MavenCli.java
maven/maven-3/trunk/pom.xml

 Modified: maven/maven-3/trunk/apache-maven/pom.xml
 URL: 
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/maven-3/trunk/apache-maven/pom.xml?rev=1380105r1=1380104r2=1380105view=diff
 ==
 --- maven/maven-3/trunk/apache-maven/pom.xml (original)
 +++ maven/maven-3/trunk/apache-maven/pom.xml Mon Sep  3 01:07:31 2012
 @@ -83,6 +83,10 @@
   groupIdorg.sonatype.aether/groupId
   artifactIdaether-connector-wagon/artifactId
 /dependency
 +dependency
 +  groupIdorg.slf4j/groupId
 +  artifactIdslf4j-nop/artifactId
 +/dependency
   /dependencies

   build

 Modified: 
 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/DefaultClassRealmManager.java
 URL: 
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/DefaultClassRealmManager.java?rev=1380105r1=1380104r2=1380105view=diff
 ==
 --- 
 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/DefaultClassRealmManager.java
  (original)
 +++ 
 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/DefaultClassRealmManager.java
  Mon Sep  3 01:07:31 2012
 @@ -198,6 +198,26 @@ public class DefaultClassRealmManager
 imports.put( org.codehaus.plexus.util.xml.pull.XmlPullParser, 
 coreRealm );
 imports.put( 
 org.codehaus.plexus.util.xml.pull.XmlPullParserException, coreRealm );
 imports.put( org.codehaus.plexus.util.xml.pull.XmlSerializer, 
 coreRealm );
 +
 +// javax.inject, sisu-inject (JSR-330)
 +imports.put( javax.inject.*, coreRealm );
 +imports.put( javax.enterprise.inject.*, coreRealm );
 +imports.put( org.sonatype.inject.*, coreRealm );
 +imports.put( org.slf4j.*, coreRealm );
 +
 +// com.google
 +//
 +// We may potentially want to export these, but right now I'm 
 not sure that anything Guice specific needs
 +// to be made available to plugin authors. If we find people are 
 getting fancy and want to take advantage
 +// of Guice specifics we can expose that later. Really some 
 testing needs to be done to see full hiding
 +// of Guice has any impact on what we may categorize as a 
 standard JSR-330 based Tesla/Maven plugin.
 +//
 +// imports.put( com.google.inject.*, coreRealm );
 +// imports.put( com.google.inject.binder.*, coreRealm );
 +// imports.put( com.google.inject.matcher.*, coreRealm );
 +// imports.put( com.google.inject.name.*, coreRealm );
 +// imports.put( com.google.inject.spi.*, coreRealm );
 +// imports.put( com.google.inject.util.*, coreRealm );
 }

 /**

 Modified: maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-embedder/pom.xml
 URL: 
 

Preparing a release of Changes Plugin

2012-09-10 Thread Dennis Lundberg
Hi

I've been working my way towards a release of the Changes Plugin. Now
I'm all done. Unless someone has anything really urgent I'll start the
release process soon.

There are other projects depending on a release because of
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MCHANGES-285

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Re: the simplest possible maven plugin, sort of

2012-09-10 Thread Daniel Kulp

Interesting…  I wonder how I've managed to do CXF releases for all these years 
then.  :-)

Seriously, for CXF =2.5.x, I use Maven 2.2.1 and it just works.   Parts of 
the build certainly do use the plugins that are built as part of the reactor.

That said, we use install as the default target and not test or anything.   
I'm fairly certain it wouldn't work if we didn't use install as the target, but 
I'm not sure if that would work with 3.x either.

The clean target doesn't work if the plugin is part of the reactor and not in 
.m2/repository.   I'll give you that. 

Dan




On Sep 10, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Anders Hammar and...@hammar.net wrote:

 I'm fairly sure this didn't work in Maven 2.x. It was one of the
 unsolvable Maven 2.x bugs which was fixed in Maven 3. The workaround
 would be to use an older released version of the plugin. Don't think
 running a build twice is/was a workable workaround as I can't see how
 that would work in a release process.
 
 /Anders
 
 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Arnaud Héritier aherit...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Benson Margulies 
 bimargul...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote:
 
 On Sep 10, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 In Maven 2.x, the following was true; the reactor could not apply a
 plugin it had just built. So, if a particular problem required a
 plugin (e.g., for generating code), the plugin has to be an
 independent project that is built in advance. Is this still true in
 3.x?
 
 I don't think this is/was true.   CXF has always used it's own codegen
 plugins within its reactor build, even with Maven 2.x.
 
 Dan, I'll try it again, but I could have sworn that this only works by
 running 'mvn' twice, so that there's a SNAPSHOT in ~/.m2/repository.
 
 
 
 I'm almost sure I had the same experience like Benson.
 It doesn't work in one step because maven reads all projects in the
 reactor, then tries to resolve the plugin where you are using it and cannot
 because it was built.
 
 Arnaud
 
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Re: svn commit: r1380105 - in /maven/maven-3/trunk: ./ apache-maven/ maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/ maven-embedder/ maven-embedder/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/cli/

2012-09-10 Thread Stephen Connolly
+1 for 3.1

On 10 September 2012 21:19, Dennis Lundberg denn...@apache.org wrote:

 +1 for 3.1

 On 2012-09-07 22:19, Anders Hammar wrote:
  I know. But there wasn't much visible change in v3.0 either. And I'm
  thinking that it would be easier to communicate a dependency on Maven
  3.1+ than 3.0.5+ if some component utilizes the JSR330 support.
 
  Version numbers are cheap. Why not bump and get some attention? :-)
 
  /Anders
 
  On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@tesla.io wrote:
  There are no visible user changes, so I don't think so. There aren't
 even any changes to integrators unless they want to use take advantage of
 the changes.
 
  On Sep 7, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Anders Hammar wrote:
 
  Maybe this even should bump the version to v3.1?
 
  /Anders
 
  On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Olivier Lamy ol...@apache.org wrote:
  Maybe I miss something but we don't have any associated jira entry for
  reference in release notes neither core it test.
  Do you have a bit of time for that ?
 
  Thanks
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  2012/9/3  jvan...@apache.org:
  Author: jvanzyl
  Date: Mon Sep  3 01:07:31 2012
  New Revision: 1380105
 
  URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1380105view=rev
  Log:
  o Enabled support and discovery of JSR-330 components
 
  o Added Slf4j logger factory to support generic JSR-330 logging
 
  o Exported Guice package for components that access Guice (or better
 it's injector) directly
 
  Widen export of Guice packages (not ideal, need to look into ways to
 avoid this)
 
  o use specific exports
 
  o for now we will attempt to hide all of Guice in plugin realms and
 we'll do a bit of testing
 
  closes #3
 
  Added:
 
  
 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-embedder/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/cli/PlexusLogger.java
 
  
 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-embedder/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/cli/PlexusLoggerFactory.java
  Modified:
 maven/maven-3/trunk/apache-maven/pom.xml
 
  
 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/DefaultClassRealmManager.java
 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-embedder/pom.xml
 
  
 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-embedder/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/cli/MavenCli.java
 maven/maven-3/trunk/pom.xml
 
  Modified: maven/maven-3/trunk/apache-maven/pom.xml
  URL:
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/maven-3/trunk/apache-maven/pom.xml?rev=1380105r1=1380104r2=1380105view=diff
 
 ==
  --- maven/maven-3/trunk/apache-maven/pom.xml (original)
  +++ maven/maven-3/trunk/apache-maven/pom.xml Mon Sep  3 01:07:31 2012
  @@ -83,6 +83,10 @@
groupIdorg.sonatype.aether/groupId
artifactIdaether-connector-wagon/artifactId
  /dependency
  +dependency
  +  groupIdorg.slf4j/groupId
  +  artifactIdslf4j-nop/artifactId
  +/dependency
/dependencies
 
build
 
  Modified:
 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/DefaultClassRealmManager.java
  URL:
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/DefaultClassRealmManager.java?rev=1380105r1=1380104r2=1380105view=diff
 
 ==
  ---
 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/DefaultClassRealmManager.java
 (original)
  +++
 maven/maven-3/trunk/maven-core/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/classrealm/DefaultClassRealmManager.java
 Mon Sep  3 01:07:31 2012
  @@ -198,6 +198,26 @@ public class DefaultClassRealmManager
  imports.put(
 org.codehaus.plexus.util.xml.pull.XmlPullParser, coreRealm );
  imports.put(
 org.codehaus.plexus.util.xml.pull.XmlPullParserException, coreRealm );
  imports.put(
 org.codehaus.plexus.util.xml.pull.XmlSerializer, coreRealm );
  +
  +// javax.inject, sisu-inject (JSR-330)
  +imports.put( javax.inject.*, coreRealm );
  +imports.put( javax.enterprise.inject.*, coreRealm );
  +imports.put( org.sonatype.inject.*, coreRealm );
  +imports.put( org.slf4j.*, coreRealm );
  +
  +// com.google
  +//
  +// We may potentially want to export these, but right now
 I'm not sure that anything Guice specific needs
  +// to be made available to plugin authors. If we find
 people are getting fancy and want to take advantage
  +// of Guice specifics we can expose that later. Really some
 testing needs to be done to see full hiding
  +// of Guice has any impact on what we may categorize as a
 standard JSR-330 based Tesla/Maven plugin.
  +//
  +// imports.put( com.google.inject.*, coreRealm );
  +// imports.put( com.google.inject.binder.*, coreRealm );
  +// imports.put( com.google.inject.matcher.*, coreRealm );
  +// imports.put( com.google.inject.name.*, coreRealm );
  +// imports.put( com.google.inject.spi.*, coreRealm );
  +// imports.put( 

Dynamically determining the currently executing goal name

2012-09-10 Thread Jeff Maxwell
I would like to dynamically determine the currently executing goal from a
MOJO.

I attempted this using reflection but the new annotations are not available
at runtime.

All other solutions I have seen appear to require access to the executing
MOJO's groupId and artifactId.

Anyone have a solution?
Is there an issue with having the annotations available at runtime?





 




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Re: the simplest possible maven plugin, sort of

2012-09-10 Thread David Jencks
Our experience in geronimo has always been that maven does not support this, 
and I thought for maven 3 it was announced that it never ever would.

We have a proflie to build up through the plugin, then you can do the full 
build.

Releasing is a pain as you have to do the manual profile build with the 
release-version code to get the plugin available in the local maven repo before 
running the actual release.

If I'm wrong for any version of maven I'd love to know how :-)

thanks
david jencks

On Sep 10, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote:

 
 Interesting…  I wonder how I've managed to do CXF releases for all these 
 years then.  :-)
 
 Seriously, for CXF =2.5.x, I use Maven 2.2.1 and it just works.   Parts of 
 the build certainly do use the plugins that are built as part of the reactor.
 
 That said, we use install as the default target and not test or anything.   
 I'm fairly certain it wouldn't work if we didn't use install as the target, 
 but I'm not sure if that would work with 3.x either.
 
 The clean target doesn't work if the plugin is part of the reactor and not 
 in .m2/repository.   I'll give you that. 
 
 Dan
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 10, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Anders Hammar and...@hammar.net wrote:
 
 I'm fairly sure this didn't work in Maven 2.x. It was one of the
 unsolvable Maven 2.x bugs which was fixed in Maven 3. The workaround
 would be to use an older released version of the plugin. Don't think
 running a build twice is/was a workable workaround as I can't see how
 that would work in a release process.
 
 /Anders
 
 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Arnaud Héritier aherit...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Benson Margulies 
 bimargul...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote:
 
 On Sep 10, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 In Maven 2.x, the following was true; the reactor could not apply a
 plugin it had just built. So, if a particular problem required a
 plugin (e.g., for generating code), the plugin has to be an
 independent project that is built in advance. Is this still true in
 3.x?
 
 I don't think this is/was true.   CXF has always used it's own codegen
 plugins within its reactor build, even with Maven 2.x.
 
 Dan, I'll try it again, but I could have sworn that this only works by
 running 'mvn' twice, so that there's a SNAPSHOT in ~/.m2/repository.
 
 
 
 I'm almost sure I had the same experience like Benson.
 It doesn't work in one step because maven reads all projects in the
 reactor, then tries to resolve the plugin where you are using it and cannot
 because it was built.
 
 Arnaud
 
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