+1
Or is it mostly about a 'full distribution for users'?
In which case it might probably be possible to just do a svn cp from the old
version to a patch-version (e.g. netbeans-11rc4.1).svn cp does not cost any
space. It's merely a reference. Like a symlink on the file system.Then just
change t
test-driving Netbeans for 2 days now.
txs for the reminder!
LieGrue,
strub
Am 26.03.19 um 12:59 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga:
Great, many thanks, Ate.
We have now moved on to the IPMC vote, can the other mentors (Mark,
Bertrand, Daniel) vote there, as soon as convenient, so we can wrap up the
rojects building on top of
NetBeans core technologies.
Does this make sense?
LieGrue,strub
On Monday, 25 March 2019, 15:09:09 CET, Ate Douma wrote:
On 25/03/2019 12.59, Mark Struberg wrote:
> We did have this discussion over a year ago with Greg Stein.
>
> Back then the b
We did have this discussion over a year ago with Greg Stein.
Back then the blocker was indeed the missing trademarks for 'NetBeans'.
With this resolved there is no legal problem anymore afaict.
Yes, the ASF by default prefers to use the org.apache.* groupIds. Mostly
because there is no exceptio
+1 (IPMC binding)
LieGrue,strub
On Monday, 11 March 2019, 17:13:31 CET, David Heffelfinger
wrote:
+1
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My Books: http://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/david-heffelfinger
My Video Training:
http://www.packtpub
+1
good releases, good community, good leadership - and some very ok-ish
understanding about how ASF projects are done. Go for it!
LieGrue,strub
On Thursday, 7 March 2019, 14:32:28 CET, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:59 AM Geertjan Wielenga
wrote:
> ...Matu
hi folks!
What is the current best or rather most suggested NetBeans plugin for writing
Asciidoctor files?
I've found https://github.com/GeertjanWielenga/AsciidoctorJ4NB from Geertjan.
It is an improved fork of the work of Jesse Glick from Cloudbees.
It has no license, so we cannot use it righ
.
All fine, and thanks all for running this release and also a big thanks to all
the people who tested and reviewed the release!
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 13.11.2018 um 11:46 schrieb Emilian Bold :
>
> Except Mark Struberg didn't really specify if the vote is binding and
> if i
+1
sha1 fine
signature fine
LICENSE fine
NOTICE fine
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 06.11.2018 um 07:50 schrieb Laszlo Kishalmi :
>
> Hi all,
>
> Please vote on releasing Apache NetBeans 10.0 (incubating)!
>
> If this voting candidate passes, another similar voting will be started
> ongene...@incubato
Hi Jaro!
dist.apache.org should only contain the _latest_ versions.
They will automatically get copied over to archive.a.o. So you should please
remove any outdated release bits.
txs and LieGrue,
strub
> Am 04.11.2018 um 09:08 schrieb Laszlo Kishalmi :
>
> Well, that's actually partial svn c
ly project mentors can do this...
>
> Looks like I don't have karma to do that, I don't see a modify button
> at https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/group/hudson-jobadmin
>
> Mark Struberg, I think you are a PMC chair whi
I'm +1 with Bertrand's summary regarding community.
The only thing which pops up in my head is the trademark transfer. This will
become effective when NetBeans goes TLP.
And of course there is a xor lock with the domains.
So we should at least reach a state where Oracle also is happy and has a
+1, community is big enough and self government works reasonably well.
The best part is that lots of people already developed a sense about what might
potentially be not ok for the ASF.
LieGrue,strub
On Thursday, 20 September 2018, 11:43:46 CEST, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
Hi Netbean
you legally have a point!
We really should go through the commit history and check who implemented and
also WHAT they implemented under which license.
We need to do this for EVERY github project in question and clarify the
following points:
* License: As far as I can tell ALL the projects are
e even more involved thanks to
>> this encouraging fact that we've discussed your greatness and voted on it
>> and agreed on it". To then have two levels and voting into these two
>> categories just seems superfluous and is not something we've done or needed
>>
Not quite sure if this thread is still active, but depending on project size it
would probably make sense to differentiate already during incubation.
As Bertrand already explained, the final PMC of the top level project (TLP)
will be defined by the community voting on the graduation proposal. Bu
+1 please iCLA would be really great. And just attach the zip to the JIRA. that
should be enough to identify all as donated.
The mailing list filters out those zip files anyway ;)
And of course a big thanks for your work, David! We will make sure to add you
to the contributor section of NetBeans
To be honest I don't get why someone would require a github account.
Just clone our ASF git repo. Technically it makes no difference where from.
Might be from ASF, github or even your neighbour,..
The sha1 are everywhere the same anyway (if the clone is up2date).
Then you do your changes, create
Hi Marc!
We (ASF) never did rely on github.
We host all our repos itself. For git-wip the cannonical repos are solely
hosted on ASF hardware.
For gitbox repos the main repo load is on github, but we have an instant GIT
mirror on ASF hardware.
So we always have an exact clone of the whole repo -
I think it's not that much work, right?
So we should rather just add the 'incubating' wording.
And then just work faster towards graduation ;)
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 30.05.2018 um 08:58 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga
> :
>
> Mentors,
>
> Please help. What should we display on the splash screen and Ab
Yes, last one (305) seems to now also got marked as resolved just a few hours
ago.
One more stone out of the way for a next NB release.
txs and LieGrue,
strub
> Am 10.05.2018 um 09:21 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga
> :
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 7:30 PM, Mark Struberg
> wrote:
hi folks!
Had a talk with Jaroslav this morning at GeeCON about tasks we need to resolve
befor the next release.
I just looked up the old thread. Those are the tickets we still need to
address.
Guess Geertjan is having an eye on them anyway.
I think it will be easier if we assign them a fix ve
And signed off.Congratulations, I think the project is on a good track
community wise!
LieGrue,strub
On Friday, 30 March 2018, 11:12:13 CEST, Geertjan Wielenga
wrote:
Hi all,
Added some initial content to the podling report for April 2018 for Apache
NetBeans (incubating):
https://w
tons of companies and projects are still using SVN. Also new projects.
While git is great, it is also very easy to destroy a GIT repo.This is a major
reason why some companies still prefer SVN.The other argument is security. SVN
is strictly centralised and file based. So you cannot take the whol
Hi folks!
Just a random user question from me this time ;)
I was using the installing NetBeans on my Linux desktop and tried using the
internal search line.And got a problem reported (ClassNotFoundException:
javax.help.search.SearchEngine).
The 'Report Problem' dialogue and stuff still seems to
the thread has died down.
>
> Can we wrap it up and release rc3 as Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Jaroslav Tulach
> wrote:
>
>> 2018-02-12 22:59 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg :
>>
>>>
Hi!
been busy as well lately. The IPMC mail is flagged in my calendar since days :/
As far as I understood the only open Q is about the modded eclipse equinox jar,
isn't?
For my understanding: is this a mandatory library or something which is
optional?
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 12.02.2018 um 11:00
Hi folks!
I'm currently
* RAT passes
* dependency licenses ok
* builds fine
* sha1 ok
* signature ok (jtulach@a.o) (although the .asc was just cat and not explicitly
listed as build artifact)
+1 (binding)
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 10.11.2017 um 22:24 schrieb Jaroslav Tulach :
>
> Dear members
+1 to re-roll the realease after the stuff Ate catched got fixed.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 13.11.2017 um 13:11 schrieb Bertrand Delacretaz :
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
> wrote:
>> ...Do we need to list the items that came up in the first vote, in the 2nd
>> vote thread,
Different ASF projects have different policies.
The important part is that we should have a common understanding about our
commit policy.
There might e.g. be a branch for the next release where RTC (Review Then
Commit) is applied.
That's useful when preparing a release or for maintenance release
the project.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 13.09.2017 um 06:28 schrieb Mark Struberg :
>
> Well, I assume that those people who are now up as candidates are not freshly
> hired but are old NetBeans hackers who were kind of previously hidden inside
> Oracle. So my interpretation was th
Well, I assume that those people who are now up as candidates are not freshly
hired but are old NetBeans hackers who were kind of previously hidden inside
Oracle. So my interpretation was that those people already contributed quite
some amount of code which now came to the Apache NetBeans projec
+1, especially if they consider to be at least somehow active.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 12.09.2017 um 15:04 schrieb Michael Nascimento :
>
> If they've cleaned up the file and prepared the ZIP, I'd say they've
> contributed to the initial push, even though another person actually made
> it. So I thi
Just go ahead. If anything made it's way into the repo which is not supposed to
be there we can remove it later.
Was more kind of an internal note to myself.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 04.09.2017 um 11:10 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga
> :
>
> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Bertrand Delacratez:
>
> Th
I'm preparing for a hard week with 2 conf talks + customer stuff in parallel.
I hope I can find a bit spare time to review the zip in the next 2 weeks.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 04.09.2017 um 10:45 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga
> :
>
> We spent 6 months removing 3rd party code and separately licensed
>
ist have any value to the Apache process or will it be taken as
> information only?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geertjan
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Mark Struberg
> wrote:
>
>> CI is a good start.
>>
>> For what I remember we at least need to do
CI is a good start.
For what I remember we at least need to do the following steps:
1.) One of the most important steps is to get the IP clearance done.
It's good that we get all the grants from Oracle, but the PMC must also
actively verify that all the stuff we got is clean from an intellectua
Txs Geertjan and Ate!
Signed it off now as well.
Also added a short comment about NetCAT.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 08.08.2017 um 10:57 schrieb Ate Douma :
>
> On 2017-08-08 09:43, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> The Oracle legal organization has taken the donation very seriously indeed,
>> for which o
ce NetCAT mailing list soon, together with other
>> related announcements:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gj
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Mark Struberg
>&g
e.org?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geertjan
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Mark Struberg
> wrote:
>
>> the form tells me this:
>>
>>> Next steps: We will create the lists and email
>> priv...@incubator.apache.org once we have done that.
>>
o are the people who can approve requests for subscription to the
> mailing list?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geertjan
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Mark Struberg
> wrote:
>
>> done.
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>>
>>
done.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 26.05.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga
> :
>
> Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238, can a mentor
> use https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator to register the new
> mailing list net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>
> Thanks,
11:19 PM, Wade Chandler
> wrote:
>
>> Netcat is a specific and special program allowing non-commiters to be
>> extremely helpful contributors, which has been successful for well over a
>> decade. This is just helping transition this process here:
>>
&g
Hi Geertjan, working back through the list and this one got filed as spam :(
That's indeed an important question given that NetBeans is not smallish (few
MB) but rather large.
You are right that a main ASF 'release' is the source. That's what we vote
upon.
But usually ASF releases also provide
Hi Geertjan!
Technically that's as easy as creating an INFRA ticket.
But note that such things first need consensus among the PMC.
The Apache way would be to create a [DISCUSS] mail thread.
Do you think that there will be sufficient traffic on this list?
I'm usually reluctant to introduce lis
puh, not sure about that.
Usually .org and .net, .com etc are just aliases to the same pages.
I'd rather have seperate sub pages for dev and endusers both on the same domain.
Would need to think more about a reasonable split.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 14.05.2017 um 11:43 schrieb Michael Müller
> :
+1 to that.
We would need at least the written OK to use those files in NetBeans.
Some Icons might be covered by nominative fair use. E.g. if we use a 3rd party
icon to identify a plugin for this 3rd party.
But for the NetBeans Icon itself or other Icons primary used inside Netbeans
that would m
> etc, etc.
>
>
> --emi
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Mark Struberg
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, forgot to add the 2nd link
>>
>> http://www.baeldung.com/java-in-2017
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>>
>>> Am
Sorry, forgot to add the 2nd link
http://www.baeldung.com/java-in-2017
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 10.04.2017 um 12:36 schrieb Mark Struberg :
>
> Hi folks!
>
> Got some tweet about a Java survey today and catched a very interesting thing.
>
>
> Those are the numbers fr
Hi folks!
Got some tweet about a Java survey today and catched a very interesting thing.
Those are the numbers from the 2016 survey (2200 votes in summary): NetBeans
5.9% (133 votes)
http://www.baeldung.com/java-ides-2016
And now the 2017 numbers (4439 votes in summary) : 12.4% (549 votes).
I
Hmm, the ASF doesn't unilaterally revoke any committer status.
You are still listed and have proper rights
http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html#sijskes
The main reason is that this page isn't maintained via Apache CMS but generated
from XML.
Docs can be found here:
http://incubator.apac
Hi Ken!
The ASF is all merit based.
The usual process is that someone contributes to a project for a while. And if
the PMC members of the project think you would be a good addition to the
project then they hold an internal (private) VOTE thread (72h) on this person.
You can find a bit more in
Thanks Mark, didn't expect anything else.
I'd also like to emphase that the ASF usually tries to not be an overly
beaurocratic place.
But since some unspoken 'common sense' rules got broken in the past we sadly
had to pin down a few of them :(
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 24.03.2017 um 10:06 schrieb
Yes it's totally understandable. Both parties are acting in good faith, so I
see absolutely no problem right now.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 24.03.2017 um 09:29 schrieb Raphael Bircher :
>
> Hi all
>
> Am .03.2017, 09:09 Uhr, schrieb Bertrand Delacretaz :
>
>> On Fri,
hat such an ACK step from the trademark holder is legally needed - regardless
who owns it. At the end it might cost 30 minutes and then all is done.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 24.03.2017 um 09:09 schrieb Bertrand Delacretaz :
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Mark Struberg
> wrote:
&g
s the reason why I asked Geertjan how those things are
currently dealt with.
Currently all is fine how it was dealt with it seems.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 24.03.2017 um 02:21 schrieb Craig Russell :
>
> Hi Geertjan,
>
>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Geertjan Wielenga
>
Great progress, thanks Geertjan!
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 07.03.2017 um 15:07 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga
> :
>
> Hi all,
>
> The review of the 'releases' repository continues to be in progress.
>
> So far, six out of 11 clusters that constitute a basic Java IDE
> (nb.cluster.bootstrap, nb.cluster.
+1
By contributing to the project for some time PPMC members will quickly get an
open eye.
After all nobody says no to one more helping hand ;)
Might be a good reading:
https://community.apache.org/contributors/
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 23.11.2016 um 20:03 schrieb Tushar Joshi :
>
> On Wed, Nov
Ticket created for a new website.
>
> Date of last release:
>
> No releases yet.
>
> When were the last committers or PMC members elected?
>
> No one has been elected so far.
>
> Signed-off-by:
>
> [ ](netbeans) Ate Douma
> [ ](netbeans) Bertrand Delacretaz
I share your conclusio. Nemo plus iuris transferre potest quam ipse habet.
Oracle cannot grant us anythong which they don't own.
Apart from that there is a separate question where any ASF project can add MIT
based code. And the answer is yes, we can [1].
Of course we have to add it to our NOTICE
We could split the 2 up.
For ASF binaries we have *all* files hosted at ASF + the actual binaries are
also distributed downstream to mirrors. The asc, md5 and sha1intentionally
don't get mirrored as Bertrand explained.
For some NetBeans artifact this is a bit different, especially if they are
Agree, seems that is precise enough.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 07.12.2016 um 11:28 schrieb Bertrand Delacretaz :
>
> Hi Geertjan,
>
> The wording that you suggest works for me, I think it's precise enough.
>
> -Bertrand
Anyone up for the task?
I can help/review. Would of course prefer if the new community members give it
a try :)
txs and LieGrue,
strub
> Am 04.12.2016 um 15:18 schrieb johndam...@apache.org:
>
> Dear podling,
>
> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
> Incubator PM
+1
Having had the pleasure to meet you in real a few times!
I really enjoyed your bright visions and devotion to the projects you have
worked on!
Welcome to NetBeans!
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 21.11.2016 um 17:52 schrieb Bertrand Delacretaz :
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Raphael Bir
You have to renew LE certificates every few months.
And out of a security-paranoia aspect I guess we want to do this renewal
manually.
So I agree it's not really practical.
Even after Oracle donates the nb.org domain I guess it will still remain active
(just to prevent domain grabbing). I assum
It's relevant as this code is part of the hg repo afaiu.
So Oracle cannot just drop the whole hg repo over the fence.
If this conclusio is correct, then we have 2 options imo.
1.) Deductive: either we are back to a git-filter-branch approach. And repeat
this until the remaining parts are clean
2.
report [1] looks good to me.
Feel free to add more bullets to the important issues list.
The first bullet has to do with IP clearance. Maybe we should add to the list
that we are working on that and still have open questions about/working on the
code grant?
We also already got a JIRA https://
I’ve seen this being used in a very productive way utilizing Gerrit. But apart
from that it’s too error prone imo. What is the benefit of having a temp branch
which needs to get CI-ed + pulled over to master from just running the tests
locally?
Ofc I assume that most of the tests run in a decent
Oh just seen Betrand was faster than I.
So all done already.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 21.10.2016 um 16:24 schrieb Mark Struberg :
>
> GIT repos can be requested by ASF members via https://reporeq.apache.org/
>
> You can also create an INFRA ticket with the according coordinates.
>
GIT repos can be requested by ASF members via https://reporeq.apache.org/
You can also create an INFRA ticket with the according coordinates.
Or you simply tell me the following data and I’ll request it.
* Repository name: incubator-netbeans.git ?
* commit notifications sent to: comm...@netbeans
The gitflow model is imo only worth it if you have dedicated build masters who
really are the ‚masters‘ of what goes into a release or not.
This works fine for company projects where you have seniors waving through the
work of juniors. But at the end those build-masters need to have a good
know
> NetBeans [HTML/Java API](http://bits.netbeans.org/html+java/)
Technically this part might be a brilliant candidate for a first step (small,
well set up and pretty isolated).
But even if we got an ALv2 grant for this very java-html-api part I'm not sure
about the legal side.
That depends o
git-wip is not actually wip anymore. It just didn't change the name since then.
LieGrue,
strub
> On Wednesday, 12 October 2016, 17:25, Daniel Gruno
> wrote:
> > On 10/12/2016 09:26 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
>> Hi (Daniel mostly, with your infra hat on),
>>
>> What are the altern
We had some good experience with using asciidoc.
That can be used as base for a web page but also get processed into a PDF or
help pages.
We only did this for much smaller projects so far though.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 07.10.2016 um 09:48 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga
> :
>
> Great, thanks!
>
> Gj
>
e are many
> JARs or temporary build results.
>
> If the current repository turns out too much for the Apache Infra we could
> decide in time how to improve that, but as an Incubation goal I believe
> just switching to git should be enough.
>
>
>
> --emi
>
> On
handling. That should be
doable in a repeatable manner.
Most of the questions will in the end come back to you old NetBeans folks
anyway ;)
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 06.10.2016 um 23:26 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga
> :
>
> Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 11:16 PM, Mark Struberg:
>
>> I’ve mig
Hi!
I’ve migrated the NetBeans hg repo into GIT. Sadly this repo takes about 3.6
GiB and thus we cannot host it on github or Bitbucket (both have a 2GB limit).
I am currently hosting the repo on a small private server.
If anyone is interested then send me a private mail with your public key and
valid point. Most times we use the [DISCUSS] tag in the subject to denote such
threads.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 06.10.2016 um 14:40 schrieb Emmanuel Lécharny :
>
> Le 06/10/16 à 14:32, Daniel Gruno a écrit :
>> On 10/06/2016 02:30 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>> OK, great.
>>>
>>> Though before u
In general:
Steve is mostly for anonymous votes. Let’s just stick with VOTE threads [1]
which is the standard mechanism at the ASF.
More specifically: what would you like to vote for?
Did I understand you correct that you like to give the subscribers to the
netbeans.org lists a vote whether the
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