Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[Emilian Bold]

Not sure what JIRA APIs there are.

I'll try something simpler (static) first... when I find some time.

--emi

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On 24 April 2018 3:02 AM, John Muczynski  wrote:

> Hmm... can you connect it into JIRA?
> 
> 
> Johnny Muczynski
> 
> 734-262-2045
> 
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 2:44 PM Emilian Bold emilian.b...@protonmail.ch
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Bought nbbounty.org today.
> > 
> > Let's see if I find a way to put it to good use.
> > 
> > --emi
> > 
> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > 
> > On 16 April 2018 10:18 AM, Jaroslav Tulach jaroslav.tul...@gmail.com
> > 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi.
> > > 
> > > We always wanted to do bounties and we even had a domain for that -
> > > 
> > > nbbounty.org - however corporations like Sun or Oracle were never
> > > 
> > > supportive of such practices. Looks like Apache isn't in favor of that
> > > 
> > > either, but at least it is not going to stop such effort. As such I am
> > > 
> > > still hoping...
> > > 
> > > Bounties can help the quality of the product. There were thousands of
> > > 
> > > bugs
> > > 
> > > in the NetBeans Bugzilla, but only few of them really annoying. Giving
> > > 
> > > users a chance to select the important ones by spending few pennies or
> > > 
> > > cents would really help the development team to focus on the stuff that
> > > 
> > > matters.
> > > 
> > > Please, help the NetBeans Bounty program happen!
> > > 
> > > -jt
> > > 
> > > 2018-04-14 19:30 GMT+02:00 William L. Thomson Jr. wlt...@o-sinc.com:
> > > 
> > > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2018 03:23:42 -0400
> > > > 
> > > > Emilian Bold emilian.b...@protonmail.ch wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > That's a very 'global' view, William.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The whole idea though is to improve the project in some areas I find
> > > > > 
> > > > > of need. Because I don't have the time or desire to do that myself.
> > > > 
> > > > Sure I understand, and agree with your idea.
> > > > 
> > > > > I don't believe my tiny bounty will change the course of the whole
> > > > > 
> > > > > project.
> > > > 
> > > > It likely would not. But it could encourage others to offer bounties
> > > > 
> > > > and it could snowball from there. It is a good idea after all. Thus it
> > > > 
> > > > likely would grow and spread.
> > > > 
> > > > > Also, it's not about security, it's normal user stuff, mostly UI
> > > > > 
> > > > > related.
> > > > 
> > > > My concerns were never security related. Just conflicting directions
> > > > 
> > > > that lead to debates, forks, loss of contributors and general issues
> > > > 
> > > > for
> > > 
> > > > the project resulting from different directions.
> > > > 
> > > > > Ubuntu had a cool project: 100 paper cuts. "Papercuts are trivial to
> > > > > 
> > > > > fix, but annoying bugs." So, I'm thinking along the same lines: stuff
> > > > > 
> > > > > that doesn't take lot of time to fix, but that would really help the
> > > > > 
> > > > > workflow.
> > > > 
> > > > Sure I agree, and like you see with Ubuntu and others, the idea being a
> > > > 
> > > > good one is spreading :)
> > > > 
> > > > > I see there's really no way to handle this. I'll just try something
> > > > > 
> > > > > at some point and see how it goes.
> > > > 
> > > > I surely was not trying to shoot down your idea, discourage, make
> > > > 
> > > > difficult, or pee in your cornflakes
> > > > 
> > > > I just had the idea before for like monthly news articles, and such.
> > > > 
> > > > I feel it is an idea that can benefit many projects in many small ways.
> > > > 
> > > > Leading to big things. Thousands of paper cuts :)
> > > > 
> > > > I think the future will see FOSS moving to funded models for
> > > > 
> > > > development via small bounties and the like. You see that now in a
> > > > 
> > > > manner with GSoC, and other stuff like FreeBSD Foundation activities.
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > 
> > > > William L. Thomson Jr.
> > 
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Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[John Muczynski]

Hmm... can you connect it into JIRA?

--
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On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 2:44 PM Emilian Bold 
wrote:

> Bought nbbounty.org today.
>
> Let's see if I find a way to put it to good use.
>
> --emi
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On 16 April 2018 10:18 AM, Jaroslav Tulach 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi.
> >
> > We always wanted to do bounties and we even had a domain for that -
> >
> > nbbounty.org - however corporations like Sun or Oracle were never
> >
> > supportive of such practices. Looks like Apache isn't in favor of that
> >
> > either, but at least it is not going to stop such effort. As such I am
> >
> > still hoping...
> >
> > Bounties can help the quality of the product. There were thousands of
> bugs
> >
> > in the NetBeans Bugzilla, but only few of them really annoying. Giving
> >
> > users a chance to select the important ones by spending few pennies or
> >
> > cents would really help the development team to focus on the stuff that
> >
> > matters.
> >
> > Please, help the NetBeans Bounty program happen!
> >
> > -jt
> >
> > 2018-04-14 19:30 GMT+02:00 William L. Thomson Jr. wlt...@o-sinc.com:
> >
> > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2018 03:23:42 -0400
> > >
> > > Emilian Bold emilian.b...@protonmail.ch wrote:
> > >
> > > > That's a very 'global' view, William.
> > > >
> > > > The whole idea though is to improve the project in some areas I find
> > > >
> > > > of need. Because I don't have the time or desire to do that myself.
> > >
> > > Sure I understand, and agree with your idea.
> > >
> > > > I don't believe my tiny bounty will change the course of the whole
> > > >
> > > > project.
> > >
> > > It likely would not. But it could encourage others to offer bounties
> > >
> > > and it could snowball from there. It is a good idea after all. Thus it
> > >
> > > likely would grow and spread.
> > >
> > > > Also, it's not about security, it's normal user stuff, mostly UI
> > > >
> > > > related.
> > >
> > > My concerns were never security related. Just conflicting directions
> > >
> > > that lead to debates, forks, loss of contributors and general issues
> for
> > >
> > > the project resulting from different directions.
> > >
> > > > Ubuntu had a cool project: 100 paper cuts. "Papercuts are trivial to
> > > >
> > > > fix, but annoying bugs." So, I'm thinking along the same lines: stuff
> > > >
> > > > that doesn't take lot of time to fix, but that would really help the
> > > >
> > > > workflow.
> > >
> > > Sure I agree, and like you see with Ubuntu and others, the idea being a
> > >
> > > good one is spreading :)
> > >
> > > > I see there's really no way to handle this. I'll just try something
> > > >
> > > > at some point and see how it goes.
> > >
> > > I surely was not trying to shoot down your idea, discourage, make
> > >
> > > difficult, or pee in your cornflakes
> > >
> > > I just had the idea before for like monthly news articles, and such.
> > >
> > > I feel it is an idea that can benefit many projects in many small ways.
> > >
> > > Leading to big things. Thousands of paper cuts :)
> > >
> > > I think the future will see FOSS moving to funded models for
> > >
> > > development via small bounties and the like. You see that now in a
> > >
> > > manner with GSoC, and other stuff like FreeBSD Foundation activities.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > William L. Thomson Jr.
>
>
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Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[Emilian Bold]

Bought nbbounty.org today.

Let's see if I find a way to put it to good use.

--emi

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

On 16 April 2018 10:18 AM, Jaroslav Tulach  wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> We always wanted to do bounties and we even had a domain for that -
> 
> nbbounty.org - however corporations like Sun or Oracle were never
> 
> supportive of such practices. Looks like Apache isn't in favor of that
> 
> either, but at least it is not going to stop such effort. As such I am
> 
> still hoping...
> 
> Bounties can help the quality of the product. There were thousands of bugs
> 
> in the NetBeans Bugzilla, but only few of them really annoying. Giving
> 
> users a chance to select the important ones by spending few pennies or
> 
> cents would really help the development team to focus on the stuff that
> 
> matters.
> 
> Please, help the NetBeans Bounty program happen!
> 
> -jt
> 
> 2018-04-14 19:30 GMT+02:00 William L. Thomson Jr. wlt...@o-sinc.com:
> 
> > On Sat, 14 Apr 2018 03:23:42 -0400
> > 
> > Emilian Bold emilian.b...@protonmail.ch wrote:
> > 
> > > That's a very 'global' view, William.
> > > 
> > > The whole idea though is to improve the project in some areas I find
> > > 
> > > of need. Because I don't have the time or desire to do that myself.
> > 
> > Sure I understand, and agree with your idea.
> > 
> > > I don't believe my tiny bounty will change the course of the whole
> > > 
> > > project.
> > 
> > It likely would not. But it could encourage others to offer bounties
> > 
> > and it could snowball from there. It is a good idea after all. Thus it
> > 
> > likely would grow and spread.
> > 
> > > Also, it's not about security, it's normal user stuff, mostly UI
> > > 
> > > related.
> > 
> > My concerns were never security related. Just conflicting directions
> > 
> > that lead to debates, forks, loss of contributors and general issues for
> > 
> > the project resulting from different directions.
> > 
> > > Ubuntu had a cool project: 100 paper cuts. "Papercuts are trivial to
> > > 
> > > fix, but annoying bugs." So, I'm thinking along the same lines: stuff
> > > 
> > > that doesn't take lot of time to fix, but that would really help the
> > > 
> > > workflow.
> > 
> > Sure I agree, and like you see with Ubuntu and others, the idea being a
> > 
> > good one is spreading :)
> > 
> > > I see there's really no way to handle this. I'll just try something
> > > 
> > > at some point and see how it goes.
> > 
> > I surely was not trying to shoot down your idea, discourage, make
> > 
> > difficult, or pee in your cornflakes
> > 
> > I just had the idea before for like monthly news articles, and such.
> > 
> > I feel it is an idea that can benefit many projects in many small ways.
> > 
> > Leading to big things. Thousands of paper cuts :)
> > 
> > I think the future will see FOSS moving to funded models for
> > 
> > development via small bounties and the like. You see that now in a
> > 
> > manner with GSoC, and other stuff like FreeBSD Foundation activities.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > William L. Thomson Jr.


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Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2018 03:23:42 -0400
Emilian Bold  wrote:

> That's a very 'global' view, William.
> 
> The whole idea though is to improve the project in some areas I find
> of need. Because I don't have the time or desire to do that myself.

Sure I understand, and agree with your idea.

> I don't believe my tiny bounty will change the course of the whole
> project.

It likely would not. But it could encourage others to offer bounties
and it could snowball from there. It is  a good idea after all. Thus it
likely would grow and spread.

> Also, it's not about security, it's normal user stuff, mostly UI
> related.

My concerns were never security related. Just conflicting directions
that lead to debates, forks, loss of contributors and general issues for
the project resulting from different directions.

> Ubuntu had a cool project: 100 paper cuts. "Papercuts are trivial to
> fix, but annoying bugs." So, I'm thinking along the same lines: stuff
> that doesn't take lot of time to fix, but that would really help the
> workflow.

Sure I agree, and like you see with Ubuntu and others, the idea being a
good one is spreading :)

> I see there's really no way to handle this. I'll just try something
> at some point and see how it goes.

I surely was not trying to shoot down your idea, discourage, make
difficult, or pee in your cornflakes

I just had the idea before for like monthly news articles, and such.
I feel it is an idea that can benefit many projects in many small ways.
Leading to big things. Thousands of paper cuts :)

I think the future will see FOSS moving to funded models for
development via small bounties and the like. You see that now in a
manner with GSoC, and other stuff like FreeBSD Foundation activities.

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.


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Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[Emilian Bold]

That's a very 'global' view, William.

The whole idea though is to improve the project in some areas I find of need. 
Because I don't have the time or desire to do that myself.

I don't believe my tiny bounty will change the course of the whole project.

Also, it's not about security, it's normal user stuff, mostly UI related.

Ubuntu had a cool project: 100 paper cuts. "Papercuts are trivial to fix, but 
annoying bugs." So, I'm thinking along the same lines: stuff that doesn't take 
lot of time to fix, but that would really help the workflow.

I see there's really no way to handle this. I'll just try something at some 
point and see how it goes.

--emi

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

On 11 April 2018 7:55 PM, William L. Thomson Jr.  wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 09:28:25 +0200
> 
> Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 6:10 PM, John Muczynski johnst...@gmail.com
> > 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > ...Just because something has a bounty doesn't mean that somehow it
> > > 
> > > can bypass the normal commit process...
> > 
> > Exactly.
> > 
> > Many Apache committers are paid to work on our projects but that
> > 
> > doesn't allow them to say "I need this commit to go in because my
> > 
> > employer needs it".
> 
> I haven't looked into that process, to see if various projects have
> 
> some sort of leadership and direction. If commits go against such
> 
> direction if the are accepted. rejected etc.
> 
> > To get my commits in, I need to find a technical reason why they add
> > 
> > value to the project.
> > 
> > It is exactly the same if commits come from people paid to work on
> > 
> > NetBeans by bounties.
> 
> Google and Sony have their way with Gentoo. Samsung has its way
> 
> with EFL. Their commits go through the normal process...
> 
> Ever hear of Chrome OS? Or Google OnHub router. Or Playstation Now?
> 
> While not nefarious, they are able to fund areas of Gentoo development
> 
> as they see fit for their commercial interests. Simply by hiring Gentoo
> 
> developers, who go through normal commit process. But their
> 
> activities have nothing to do with Gentoo Foundation.
> 
> I see similar happening in the Enlightenment/EFL community, with
> 
> Samsung using EFL as the basis for Tizen. Samsung is sponsoring
> 
> development there and has caused some rifts in the community.
> 
> They lack a foundation or anything to make that situation better.
> 
> So Samsung is essentially leading EFL development now. Not that it is
> 
> bad per se. But their interest is not FOSS
> 
> Thus each can do things that are technically beneficial to them, and
> 
> maybe such to the project. But without going through a Foundation or
> 
> leadership via some means. Nothing is there to ensure it benefits the
> 
> project... Which at times can cause harm to the community. Neither
> 
> Gentoo nor EFL/Enlightenment communities are thriving. While companies
> 
> are making money off both... Its like exploiting FOSS in a way.
> 
> Not to mention the whole giving back thing... Like bounties, some devs
> 
> get money from those companies, but does not benefit the project or
> 
> community a whole. If that money flowed through the foundation it may
> 
> go to other uses for a wider community benefit.
> 
> Just examples, but they are real world examples. I would imagine
> 
> companies may have commercial interest in Netbeans. Now that it is not
> 
> under Oracle. Though Netbeans is just an IDE, so likely less beneficial.
> 
> 
> 

Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 09:28:25 +0200
Bertrand Delacretaz  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 6:10 PM, John Muczynski 
> wrote:
> > ...Just because something has a bounty doesn't mean that somehow it
> > can bypass the normal commit process...  
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> Many Apache committers are paid to work on our projects but that
> doesn't allow them to say "I need this commit to go in because my
> employer needs it".

I haven't looked into that process, to see if various projects have
some sort of leadership and direction. If commits go against such
direction if the are accepted. rejected etc.

> To get my commits in, I need to find a technical reason why they add
> value to the project.
> 
> It is exactly the same if commits come from people paid to work on
> NetBeans by bounties.

Google and Sony have their way with Gentoo. Samsung has its way
with EFL. Their commits go through the normal process...

Ever hear of Chrome OS? Or Google OnHub router. Or Playstation Now?

While not nefarious, they are able to fund areas of Gentoo development
as they see fit for their commercial interests. Simply by hiring Gentoo
developers, who go through normal commit process. But their
activities have nothing to do with Gentoo Foundation.

I see similar happening in the Enlightenment/EFL community, with
Samsung using EFL as the basis for Tizen. Samsung is sponsoring
development there and has caused some rifts in the community.
They lack a foundation or anything to make that situation better.
So Samsung is essentially leading EFL development now. Not that it is
bad per se. But their interest is not FOSS

Thus each can do things that are technically beneficial to them, and
maybe such to the project. But without going through a Foundation or
leadership via some means. Nothing is there to ensure it benefits the
project... Which at times can cause harm to the community. Neither
Gentoo nor EFL/Enlightenment communities are thriving. While companies
are making money off both... Its like exploiting FOSS in a way.

Not to mention the whole giving back thing... Like bounties, some devs
get money from those companies, but does not benefit the project or
community a whole. If that money flowed through the foundation it may
go to other uses for a wider community benefit.

Just examples, but they are real world examples. I would imagine
companies may have commercial interest in Netbeans. Now that it is not
under Oracle. Though Netbeans is just an IDE, so likely less beneficial.


-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.


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Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 09:31:03 +0200
Bertrand Delacretaz  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:45 PM, William L. Thomson Jr.
>  wrote:
> > ...which I why I also suggested taking it to the Apache
> > Foundation as a global issue. All Apache projects could benefit from
> > such. No reason to limit to just Netbeans...  
> 
> I don't think the ASF can ever get involved in paying bounties for
> development. It goes against our very strong "fierce independence from
> companies and organizations" principle,

ASF already has financial sponsors, this is really no different. By the
ASF controlling any funds and paying out bounties. You ensure your
independence. If companies pay bounties in areas they see fit outside
of the ASF. Then you lose that independence IMHO.

ASF ultimately would control any payouts. If a funding company wanted
to see A developed and provided funds for it, but ASF decided
otherwise. That is the entire point of money flowing through ASF rather
than outside.

>  and might be problematic with our 501(c)3 status as well.

It has not been a problem for FreeBSD, who is a 501c3. I am in awe of
their foundation in all honesty. I had hopes of the Gentoo Foundation
have similar organization and impact.

I highly recommend taking a look at the FreeBSD foundations activities.
I think it is a model for others to replicate in ways. It is working,
it is growing over time. Their fund raising has increased substantially
from past years, like 300k in 2008 or something.

> That being said, the best place to discuss such things ASF-wide is the
> dev@community.a.o list, https://community.apache.org/

I may join that if you feel others would be receptive to such ideas. I
am not trying to push anything on anyone. I am already seen as a
noise/trouble maker in places. But I am happy to join and partake in a
discussion on such.

It is off topic for this list, just came up here. Also does kinda
relate to Netbeans, as it is going from having a leader Oracle to ASF.
Not sure if the project will be lead the same, etc.

Anyway no more here on this off topic :)

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.


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Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:45 PM, William L. Thomson Jr.
 wrote:
> ...which I why I also suggested taking it to the Apache
> Foundation as a global issue. All Apache projects could benefit from
> such. No reason to limit to just Netbeans...

I don't think the ASF can ever get involved in paying bounties for
development. It goes against our very strong "fierce independence from
companies and organizations" principle, and might be problematic with
our 501(c)3 status as well.

That being said, the best place to discuss such things ASF-wide is the
dev@community.a.o list, https://community.apache.org/

-Bertrand

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Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 6:10 PM, John Muczynski  wrote:
> ...Just because something has a bounty doesn't mean that somehow it can bypass
> the normal commit process...

Exactly.

Many Apache committers are paid to work on our projects but that
doesn't allow them to say "I need this commit to go in because my
employer needs it".

To get my commits in, I need to find a technical reason why they add
value to the project.

It is exactly the same if commits come from people paid to work on
NetBeans by bounties.

-Bertrand

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Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 16:03:56 +
Neil C Smith  wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 at 16:56 William L. Thomson Jr.
>  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 11:35:27 +0200
> > Bertrand Delacretaz  wrote:
> >  
> > > See
> > > https://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html  
> >
> > Why I feel its best for any sponsoring, bounties, etc to go through
> > normal project structure. To allow project leadership to determine
> > what is best, etc.
> >  
> 
> While I don't disagree with the concern, I don't think there's any
> way to do that within Apache (ie. as laid out in that disclaimer).
> At least, going on what was said the last time this was all discussed
> on here (or possibly on users@)

Yes, which I why I also suggested taking it to the Apache
Foundation as a global issue. All Apache projects could benefit from
such. No reason to limit to just Netbeans.

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.


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Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[John Muczynski]

Just because something has a bounty doesn't mean that somehow it can bypass
the normal commit process.
Without using care, the person offering the bounty might end up with code
on their hands that doesn't become part of NetBeans.


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:04 PM Neil C Smith  wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 at 16:56 William L. Thomson Jr. 
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 11:35:27 +0200
> > Bertrand Delacretaz  wrote:
> >
> > > See https://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html
> >
> > Why I feel its best for any sponsoring, bounties, etc to go through
> > normal project structure. To allow project leadership to determine what
> > is best, etc.
> >
>
> While I don't disagree with the concern, I don't think there's any way to
> do that within Apache (ie. as laid out in that disclaimer).  At least,
> going on what was said the last time this was all discussed on here (or
> possibly on users@)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
> --
> Neil C Smith
> Artist & Technologist
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>
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Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[Neil C Smith]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 at 16:56 William L. Thomson Jr. 
wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 11:35:27 +0200
> Bertrand Delacretaz  wrote:
>
> > See https://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html
>
> Why I feel its best for any sponsoring, bounties, etc to go through
> normal project structure. To allow project leadership to determine what
> is best, etc.
>

While I don't disagree with the concern, I don't think there's any way to
do that within Apache (ie. as laid out in that disclaimer).  At least,
going on what was said the last time this was all discussed on here (or
possibly on users@)

Best wishes,

Neil
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www.neilcsmith.net

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Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 11:35:27 +0200
Bertrand Delacretaz  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Emilian Bold
>  wrote:
> > ...I've been thinking of posting some bounties for the NetBeans
> > annoyances I encounter...  
> 
> See https://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html
> for a disclaimer that's been used in the past for such things. You'll
> need something like to make it clear that the bounties come from you
> and not from Apache NetBeans.

I am not against individuals sponsoring areas they like. But that also
means it can allow individuals to fund areas of interest to them which
may not be the interest of the project as a whole.

Said another way, Oracle/Sun used to lead Netbeans project development
I would assume. Now its being handed to the community. If the community
just self funds areas of interest to them. Things may go in wild
directions. Minor when talking bugs, but if anything more.

Why I feel its best for any sponsoring, bounties, etc to go through
normal project structure. To allow project leadership to determine what
is best, etc. Not saying take someones money and do not fulfill their
wishes, but balance out such needs.

I work for company A and you B. We both sponsor things that meet our
needs or interest. Those may conflict for competitive purposes. Then
you get a mess and have a hard time leading the project. Plus letting
outsiders control and influence project development for their own
purposes vs those of the general community as a whole.

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.


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Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:22 AM, Christian Lenz  wrote:
> Is this question more about finding and Fixing Bugs that can harm user? Like 
> exploitable Bugs?...

Note that for security vulnerabilities the ASF security process must
be followed, that's at http://www.apache.org/security/committers.html

-Bertrand

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AW: NetBeans cash bounties

[Christian Lenz]

Is this question more about finding and Fixing Bugs that can harm user? Like 
exploitable Bugs? Then hackerone and the other one is for that. If this is a 
helping request for doing bug Fixing that are still open for NetBeans, then 
there those two platforms are not for that, I guess.


Cheers

Chris

Von: John Muczynski
Gesendet: Montag, 9. April 2018 18:51
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: NetBeans cash bounties

How about these two sites?

HackerOne

https://hackerone.com


Bugcrowd

https://www.bugcrowd.com/bug-bounty-list/


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On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 5:35 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Emilian Bold
> <emilian.b...@protonmail.ch> wrote:
> > ...I've been thinking of posting some bounties for the NetBeans
> annoyances I encounter...
>
> See https://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html
> for a disclaimer that's been used in the past for such things. You'll
> need something like to make it clear that the bounties come from you
> and not from Apache NetBeans.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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>
>
>

Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[John Muczynski]

How about these two sites?

HackerOne

https://hackerone.com


Bugcrowd

https://www.bugcrowd.com/bug-bounty-list/


--
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734-262-2045


On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 5:35 AM Bertrand Delacretaz 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Emilian Bold
>  wrote:
> > ...I've been thinking of posting some bounties for the NetBeans
> annoyances I encounter...
>
> See https://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html
> for a disclaimer that's been used in the past for such things. You'll
> need something like to make it clear that the bounties come from you
> and not from Apache NetBeans.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi,

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Emilian Bold
 wrote:
> ...I've been thinking of posting some bounties for the NetBeans annoyances I 
> encounter...

See https://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html
for a disclaimer that's been used in the past for such things. You'll
need something like to make it clear that the bounties come from you
and not from Apache NetBeans.

-Bertrand

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Re: NetBeans cash bounties

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Sun, 08 Apr 2018 04:36:16 -0400
Emilian Bold  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I've been thinking of posting some bounties for the NetBeans
> annoyances I encounter. Something like $25 / issue. So, more like a
> cash tip than a big bounty.
> 
> Seems like a good idea to me, but perhaps I'm missing something? Any
> reason *not* to try this out?

IMHO this is the future of FOSS. Some like FreeBSD via its foundation
are already funding aspects of development. Which is fantastic! Not so
much in bounties. I had similar ideas long ago in Gentoo when I was a
Gentoo Foundation Trustee. Sadly for many reason that did not happen.

I highly recommend and encourage any and all FOSS projects to look to
various paid aspects of development. Even small bounties can buy "beer"
money. Though for students or others in various nations could add up

> I wonder what service to use for these bounties? I previously heard
> of bountysource.com but it seems rather deserted and now they are
> owned by some company also selling crypto tokens or such. Any other
> choices?
> 
> It would be cool if some contributors would forfeit the bounty and
> redirect it towards some other NetBeans issue. Then we have some
> multiplier going on. I wonder how to encourage this?

You may consider bring this to Apache Foundation as more of a global
idea for not just Netbeans in Apache but other projects. Companies and
others may want to help fund aspects with various donations that can be
used as fuel for bounties, etc.

Handling the actual funds is another matter, I rather not get into
discussion on as it can vary, international banking, digital currency,
accounting, non profit tax reporting/compliance, etc. Again something
I would assume Apache already dealing with on some level or another.

Other projects outside of say Apache and Eclipse may look to things
such as SFC or SPI. With IMHO the SFC being the better based on funded
business model.

https://sfconservancy.org/
http://www.spi-inc.org/

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NetBeans cash bounties

[Emilian Bold]

Hello,

I've been thinking of posting some bounties for the NetBeans annoyances I 
encounter. Something like $25 / issue. So, more like a cash tip than a big 
bounty.

Seems like a good idea to me, but perhaps I'm missing something? Any reason 
*not* to try this out?

I wonder what service to use for these bounties? I previously heard of 
bountysource.com but it seems rather deserted and now they are owned by some 
company also selling crypto tokens or such. Any other choices?

It would be cool if some contributors would forfeit the bounty and redirect it 
towards some other NetBeans issue. Then we have some multiplier going on. I 
wonder how to encourage this?

On Twitter the #bounty hashtag is almost entirely used by crypto "offerings". I 
guess I'd better be using #recompense or #reward or something else...

--emi

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