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+1 It'd be way easier to create a template. On 07/31/2017 01:25 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: I totally agree Deepak! Our problem is not that we are not using an UI framework or another. Our problem is that we are not consistently generating HTML because we use too much Freemarker templates

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I totally agree Deepak! Our problem is not that we are not using an UI framework or another. Our problem is that we are not consistently generating HTML because we use too much Freemarker templates in the backend. IMO we should always (OK as much as possible, but trying really hard) generate

Re: [DISCUSSION] Improving the OFBiz User Interface

Hi all, For those who wanted to evaluate JSF further, I have done a simple POC with patch available at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-9469. Best Regards, James Yong On 2017/07/05 15:03:49, "James Yong" wrote: > Hi Michael, > > I agreed it will be going too

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Le 04/07/2017 à 17:31, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : I'd also let Angular out of the picture. Some prefer React (initially from FB) and I wonder what those who have used Angular 1 think about Angular 2! I also remember another Google "attempt": GWT. Are there still people using it with OFBiz? I

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IMO instead of thinking to support different UI framework we can define our standard html and then write css based on it. If anyone want to plug different UI framework then user can create new template file and and set it in widget.properties. Thanks & Regards -- Deepak Dixit

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These are good news, Nicolas :-) I started to review your efforts on common-theme but might not have digged deep enough to notice the separation layer (there are many changes already). I thought that it just moved the base theme and images stuff out of the framework. I really appreciate

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Michael the separation layer between html/css/js lib and the model screen is already done on the common-theme present on my github repo (1) without break older theme. This it's the easier face on the problem, because the hidden face is present with elements who use macro without ui rendering

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I'm currently twisting my had around the question of theme compatibility. The current theme set and the html code (freemarker templates and the code produced by forms and widgets) correspond with each other (naturally). So if we want to introduce a new CSS framework like Bootstrap, we will

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Hi Michael, I agreed it will be going too far if we adopt JSF. Maybe better value to spend on improving what OFBiz already have. Regards, James Yong On 2017/07/04 14:57:33, Michael Brohl wrote: > Hi James, > > thanks for your suggestions. > > As far as I know, JSF

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Ah, thanks for the pointer, Jacques. I forgot about this and will have a look at the work Nicolas did there so far. Regards, Michael Am 05.07.17 um 14:09 schrieb Jacques Le Roux: That makes sense Taher and was already discussed and mostly agreed IIRW. There is even a Jira for that

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That makes sense Taher and was already discussed and mostly agreed IIRW. There is even a Jira for that https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5776 Jacques Le 05/07/2017 à 13:40, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : Hi Michael, My suggestion (other opinions might enrich the discussion) is to limit

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Hi Michael, My suggestion (other opinions might enrich the discussion) is to limit current work to moving actual web items (html, css, javascript, images and so on). Moving ftl might be too much work and perhaps widgets should stay where they are. What I suggest moving is things that live in the

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Hi Taher, do I understand you correctly that you want to move all screen definitions and the ftl template files (containing the html) to a central component outside the framework/applications? Regards, Michael Am 04.07.17 um 23:50 schrieb Taher Alkhateeb: Hi Michael, I think we agree,

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Hi Michael, I think we agree, just a difference in semantics. What I mean by web is anything CSS, JavaScript, or HTML, not FreeMarker (for now). The smaller the effort the bigger the chances to move this initiative forward, so yeah I think we're on the same page. On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 12:35 AM,

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Hi Taher, I agree that all ressources like images, css etc. should be moved away in a foundation component. I am not sure if I can follow your suggestion to move everything web-related from the framework to another component. In my mind, the foundation for the UI development (Renderer, macro

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I agree with Michael, baby steps for the win. I propose we perhaps just postpone "big ideas" for now and focus on things that can get results quickly to put life back into this initiative. Maybe next actions could be the following: - Create a base theme - Move all artifacts from framework/images

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Le 04/07/2017 à 16:57, Michael Brohl a écrit : Hi James, thanks for your suggestions. As far as I know, JSF would introduce some new technologies because it relies on beans and JSP's (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not sure if we want to go so far. Facelet is now the recommended technology

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Hi James, thanks for your suggestions. As far as I know, JSF would introduce some new technologies because it relies on beans and JSP's (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not sure if we want to go so far. I digged a little deeper into the UI stuff, templates and theming and have to correct my

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Hi Michael and all, We can look into JSF 2.2 as a possible candidate. It is similar to OFBiz Widget and seems to fit the new requirements described so far in this thread. Regards, James Yong On 2017-07-03 17:42 (+0800), Michael Brohl wrote: > Hi Sharan, > > thanks

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Hi Sharan, thanks for the reminder. It's fine to have another theme to choose for the "old" UI, I just want to point out that (in my mind) the new theme/UI initiative goes far beyond having just another theme on base of the current technological stack: - new themes should be responsive -

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Hi All Don't forget that we also had the offer of a theme from Provolve and Stannah. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-6985 This is a theme that they are using at the moment (so it working) and have said it could be contributed back to the project. If it's only a case of having

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Thanks Nicolas, is there anything, even work in progress, you are able to share at the moment? This way other could chime in and help moving further. Thanks, Michael Brohl ecomify GmbH www.ecomify.de Am 03.07.17 um 09:26 schrieb Nicolas Malin: Hi Michael Le 02/07/2017 à 20:42, Michael

Re: [DISCUSSION] Improving the OFBiz User Interface

Hi Michael Le 02/07/2017 à 20:42, Michael Brohl a écrit : Hi Julien, all, I'd like to resurrect this discussion and the activities to improve the OFBiz user interface. I think we really should put some focused effort on it if we want OFBiz to be recognized as a modern ERP. Also, if we

Re: [DISCUSSION] Improving the OFBiz User Interface

Hi Julien, all, I'd like to resurrect this discussion and the activities to improve the OFBiz user interface. I think we really should put some focused effort on it if we want OFBiz to be recognized as a modern ERP. Also, if we imporve the UI, more users and also developers will be attracted

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Sounds good Julien. Order process was just an example. I agree with you to start with other common components. Thanks -- Divesh Dutta On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Julien NICOLAS wrote: > Hi Divesh, > > As a first step, because we have a lot of work before

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Hi Divesh, As a first step, because we have a lot of work before starting UX part, I want to use POC to show how the screen structure (for find, entity details sheet, etc.) is important. Nicolas start to create the common-theme and I start to make it blank. The theme without theme (with

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Thanks Taher, Your explanations are sharper than mine, I was on the consistency benefit, you explain about technical benefits. Anyway, I'll provide also the explanation drawing and screenshot of the UI consistency benefits. That is as important as the technical part :) Have a nice day,

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Very good initiative. I see lots of discussions of technology part. So I will not add on that part. I would like to give some inputs on our approach to make UI/UX of OFBiz better. As Jacopo also suggested to take small step at a time, I would say we start with one use story at a time and then

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I'm sure Julien has good ideas on how to move things about and I'll let gim express those, I just want to add a conceptual frame for why probably both Julien and myself sort of agree on the seperation of FTL templates from screen widgets, so here goes ... Aside from the great data model and

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Hi Michael, I'll provide drawings and some examples to be clearer. Anyway, we start a proof of concept to show pros and cons of our tough. It'll mustn't affect the good old fashion themes. The explanation about the guidelines will also not affect the old version, it's to be sure that our

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Hi Julien, thanks for your explanations. It is indeed difficult to explain and understand, I suggest to provide some kind of diagram or maybe some very simple examples, if you can. Please also have in mind that we need to have a migration plan from old to new and we should be able to run

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It's a proposal for best practices, because of my own experience on making new theme and the impact for a consistency UI. For example, party details screen is a patchwork of xml screens and ftl screens. If you manage to change the HTML structure of a form, it'll affect only xml screen thanks

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I am wondering how to understand this: better to not use ftl elsewhere than in macro Is not every ftl template providing macro functionalities? Do you desire that this project moves away from using ftl templates in any other place than in a theme? Best regards, Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM

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If I understand well, yes. All html structure must be managed by the theme. In OOTB, it could be really better to not use ftl elsewhere than in macro. This is a way that could be good to follow to have consistency for all screens in OFBiz. Julien. On 06/12/2016 11:59, Pierre Smits wrote:

Re: [DISCUSSION] Improving the OFBiz User Interface

So you are considering the following: ‘A more flexible and extensible approach is to use the FTL XML processing features directly instead of going through Java classes. With this approach adding an attribute or support for a whole new element in the widget XML files is just a matter of adding it

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Pierre, I don't know if we'll need it or not for now. There is so many thing to define but it seems interesting. We will have to start this discussion on the new theme topic. Julien. On 02/12/2016 11:55, pierre wrote: Hi Julien Is there any interest into the integration of a java UI

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Hi Julien Is there any interest into the integration of a java UI framework such as vaadin? regards, Pierre On 01/12/2016 23:26, Julien NICOLAS wrote: Hi all, I start a page about the POC for the UI improvement. I'm not sure if the content is enough but I was wanted to create it. We

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Hi everyone, Sorry for the delay in reply. @Julien thanks for pulling me in. I would suggest if we can have API in place and meanwhile work on UX part along with the choice of Front end framework to start with. Lets Plan in detail. Thank you Thanks and Regards, Darshan Kumar +919900568729

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Hi all, I start a page about the POC for the UI improvement. I'm not sure if the content is enough but I was wanted to create it. We can now start some... Jira ? I was wondering one main Jira linked to 4 other sub-jira. thanks to those Jira, we can have 4 teams or workgroup to go ahead in

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I will once I have something materialized. All code snippets and thoughts right now, besides I'm still refactoring the code base. On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Jacques Le Roux < jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > Taher, > > Maybe you could share your ideas, and even work, in a Jira? > >

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Taher, Maybe you could share your ideas, and even work, in a Jira? Jacques Le 01/12/2016 à 10:53, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : I am working on this On Dec 1, 2016 12:48 PM, "Jacques Le Roux" wrote: Totally agreed! BTW Gareth Cater told me he did a work related

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I am working on this On Dec 1, 2016 12:48 PM, "Jacques Le Roux" wrote: > Totally agreed! > > BTW Gareth Cater told me he did a work related to "custom-widget" (he used > the same term but not sure it's the same thing). I'll try to contact him > about that. Has

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Totally agreed! BTW Gareth Cater told me he did a work related to "custom-widget" (he used the same term but not sure it's the same thing). I'll try to contact him about that. Has anybody else begun to work on that? Jacques Le 01/12/2016 à 10:38, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : Hi Jacques, That

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Hi Jacques, That was already discussed. My opinion is still not to allow it BUT, you can create a DSL for something, let's call it custom-widget. Then, all that you need to do to drop down to FTL is to create macros in the theme to implement your special widget. This way, you can maintain purity

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That would be good, I know we can do a lot with form widgets backed by js scripts and I'm always been a form widgets enthusiast (if not fanatic :D). But there should be also a way to allow to call FTL from screens because, in an ecommerce alike situation, it's not realistic to do it all with

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I think by introducing a new DSL we can enforce no leakage of HTML / FTL into any widgets (I'm assuming this is what you guys are talking about) On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Jacques Le Roux < jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > Nicely said, thanks Julien :) > > Jacques > > > > Le

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Nicely said, thanks Julien :) Jacques Le 01/12/2016 à 09:46, Julien NICOLAS a écrit : Hi Pierre, I hope that, like code source convention, people will respect the work done and respect people behind them. I think that I'll do my best to explain the reason of the work I'll begin, hope that

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This proposal is a package, this work is link to another big (huge) task to rebuild the entire UI \o/ It always start with a first step, this is it ;) Julien. On 01/12/2016 09:36, Jacques Le Roux wrote: At least by review in new committed code. It would not be impossible technically but

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Hi Pierre, I hope that, like code source convention, people will respect the work done and respect people behind them. I think that I'll do my best to explain the reason of the work I'll begin, hope that it will be accepted by the community, hope that it will be implemented in all OFBiz

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At least by review in new committed code. It would not be impossible technically but very difficult to enforce else, I mean in not OOTB code (just a thought) Also we have still to discuss if we will apply to all existing code or if it will be only applied alongside in the "other" way (which

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Well done Gaurav! -邮件原件- 发件人: Gaurav Saini [mailto:gauravsain...@gmail.com] 发送时间: 2016年12月1日 3:07 收件人: dev@ofbiz.apache.org 主题: Re: [DISCUSSION] Improving the OFBiz User Interface Hello Everyone, Looks like I am jumping a bit late here. But as Julien said I am really interested

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So when you speak of a super-structure that will be used in place of currently conventions which are not always respected how do you envision that with that new 'super-structure' conventions will be respected? Best regards, Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM OFBiz based solutions

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Julien Inline ... Le 30/11/2016 à 10:02, Julien NICOLAS a écrit : Hi Jacques, On 30/11/2016 08:51, Jacques Le Roux wrote: - Each screen must be linked to a screen structure. What would be this screen structure? You don't need to develop much at this stage, just that I can't vision what

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Ahh. Thanks. That (https://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2) uses a different theme and customer facing component. The theme is based on the ZURB Foundation front-end framework. Best regards, Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM OFBiz based solutions & services OFBiz Extensions Marketplace

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https://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/products/oem-promotions/p_orrtiz-oshop On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 1:20 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > Which demo page are you referring to, Gaurav? > > Best regards, > > Pierre Smits > > ORRTIZ.COM > OFBiz based solutions &

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Which demo page are you referring to, Gaurav? Best regards, Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM OFBiz based solutions & services OFBiz Extensions Marketplace http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Gaurav Saini wrote: > Right,

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Right, looks like it doesn't have entire features covered from the demo page I saw. But yes on similar tracks we can build something really good to go. Thanks Gaurav On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > You talking about something like > >- [1],

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You talking about something like - [1], which is bootstrap based and intended for customer facing apps (e.g. cmssite and ecommerce variants), - [2], which is current default ecommerce theme elements disentangled from the framework stack ? [1] https://github.com/ORRTIZ/ecbootstrap

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Hello Everyone, Looks like I am jumping a bit late here. But as Julien said I am really interested on working on the UI side of the project. I am still looking deep into the ofbiz structure and understand how Julien is proposing to do UI customisation so I can help and make OFBiz look good :)

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Yes, I agree, let's make it simple for the POC. On 30/11/2016 11:07, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: Amazing discussion and initiative. ​My only recommendation at the moment is to try to plan very short (in scope and in time) development cycles (requirements gathering and discussion, design,

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Good point Jacopo. We need a place to collaborate and get down to business. I would prefer an interactive HipChat session to get rolling and decide what to do next, then maybe create a wiki page or something like that based on the initial plan. On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Jacopo Cappellato <

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Amazing discussion and initiative. ​My only recommendation at the moment is to try to plan very short (in scope and in time) development cycles (requirements gathering and discussion, design, implementation, review) so that each cycle could focus on a specific experiment/proposal (e.g. a given ui

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Hi Jacques, On 30/11/2016 08:51, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Julien, Just few questions inline Le 29/11/2016 à 23:35, Julien NICOLAS a écrit : Hi Sharan, everyone, It was idea like seed that start to grow up in my mind since I start with OFBiz. Today, after several try on the project I

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Hi Julien, Just few questions inline Le 29/11/2016 à 23:35, Julien NICOLAS a écrit : Hi Sharan, everyone, It was idea like seed that start to grow up in my mind since I start with OFBiz. Today, after several try on the project I think the community is very closed to find the best way to

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Hi Sharan, everyone, It was idea like seed that start to grow up in my mind since I start with OFBiz. Today, after several try on the project I think the community is very closed to find the best way to improve the UI. The first sharing was with Gil and Nicolas, then we decide to submit a

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Completely Paul for the standardization. Currently we try to go out all ftl templating from framework to push on theme with the purpose to have only the screen logic on the framework. All the rendering would be define and surcharge on the theme. But standardization on what ? We have different

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Le 28/11/2016 à 14:19, gil portenseigne a écrit : Also creating new components that will provide simplified, standardized and easy usable processes will enhance adoptability of OFbiz, since it will behave as a ready to use *demo* component. These new components could be the default ones

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Like I answered to Taher (and indirectly to Sharan and ideas shared at Seville) it's a long term plan. I must also add that without applying a such plan OFBiz will slowly fading in history We all agree it deserves better :) Jacques Le 28/11/2016 à 14:19, gil portenseigne a écrit : Hello,

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Hi Sharan and All, I believe this is a very important topic. The user interface is the weakest part in OFBiz and I think we should focus our attention on it. Based on your points discussed above and our brainstorming session in Apachecon I suggest we start with the following initiatives: -

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Hi Paul, Nice point, i really think you're right about standardization, and that will be a very important step to write down and to ensure it will be well used/updated in future implementations. And indeed it will be huge work to migrate all component to this standardization, and will be

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That wasn't meant as trolling, Nicolas. It is a good idea and absolutely needed. Perhaps as a cautious advice: your problem is going to be standardization, more so than the UI. The html in stock ofbiz is a mess and the apps don't really share a common pattern. For Scipio ERP we cleaned it all

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Troll inside: it's easier to increase the UI in its own corner instead of sharing with other, sure. But the work is in progress and maybe you could try to participate with a good spirit :) Regards Nicolas Le 28/11/2016 à 11:20, Paul Piper a écrit : As discussed here:

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Hello, I really like the idea of separate HTML/UI stuff from framework where it does not belong. This kind of separation could offer easier and less intrusive alternative to implement different UI technology for OFBiz, and even hot-switch between them. From my point of view, this done,

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As discussed here: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/OFBiz-Premier-League-Reviewers-Choice-Award-tp4699250p4699699.html I think that is a pretty good idea. Good luck -- View this message in context: