Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-31 Thread Marcus
Am 29.05.20 um 17:52 schrieb Pedro Lino: On May 29, 2020 3:55 PM Marcus wrote: Is there an agreed new formulation of the sentence? The agreed modification (proposed by Rory) is to change from "reads all major competitors' files" to "reads most file types of major competitors" thanks.

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-29 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Marcus > On May 29, 2020 3:55 PM Marcus wrote: > Is there an agreed new formulation of the sentence? The agreed modification (proposed by Rory) is to change from "reads all major competitors' files" to "reads most file types of major competitors" Thanks! Pedro

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-29 Thread Marcus
Am 28.05.20 um 20:34 schrieb Pedro Lino: On May 28, 2020 7:03 PM Marcus wrote: Am 28.05.20 um 16:46 schrieb Matthias Seidel: What do I need to do to have edit permission on the Apache website? That needs access to ASF infrastructure, so you would need to be a committer. You have asked me

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-28 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Marcus, Matthias, all > On May 28, 2020 7:03 PM Marcus wrote: > Am 28.05.20 um 16:46 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > >> What do I need to do to have edit permission on the Apache website? > > > > That needs access to ASF infrastructure, so you would need to be a > > committer. You have asked me

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-28 Thread Marcus
Am 28.05.20 um 16:46 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Hi Pedro, Am 28.05.20 um 14:17 schrieb Pedro Lino: Hi Matthias, all Yes, this part of the webpage should really be rewritten. But looking at how long it took us to discuss only a fraction of a sentence that will take take a lng time. That

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-28 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi Pedro, Am 28.05.20 um 14:17 schrieb Pedro Lino: > Hi Matthias, all > >> Yes, this part of the webpage should really be rewritten. >> But looking at how long it took us to discuss only a fraction of a >> sentence that will take take a lng time. >> >> That said, I step back from doing

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-28 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Matthias, all > Yes, this part of the webpage should really be rewritten. > But looking at how long it took us to discuss only a fraction of a > sentence that will take take a lng time. > > That said, I step back from doing anything in this specific matter. > If someone wants to change

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-28 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Thu, 28 May 2020 13:08:47 +0200 Matthias Seidel wrote: > Hi Dave, all, > > Am 27.05.20 um 16:26 schrieb Dave Fisher: > > > >> On May 27, 2020, at 7:18 AM, Keith N. McKenna > >> wrote: > >> > >> Pedro; > >> Comments in-line > >> > >> On 5/26/2020 5:18 PM, Pedro Lino wrote: > Plus your

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-28 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi Dave, all, Am 27.05.20 um 16:26 schrieb Dave Fisher: > >> On May 27, 2020, at 7:18 AM, Keith N. McKenna >> wrote: >> >> Pedro; >> Comments in-line >> >> On 5/26/2020 5:18 PM, Pedro Lino wrote: Plus your your phrasing leaves it wide open for people to complain about PDF files same

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-27 Thread Dean Webber
Regarding PDF's. >> PDF is not an editable format and it is not from any of the "major >> competitor" suites. In any case you can open PDF files in OpenOffice. Just >> install the PDF Import extension. >> > > Yes PDF is an editable format, you just need to have a PDF editor. The > fact is that

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-27 Thread Pedro Lino
Keith (comments in-line) > > PDF is not an editable format and it is not from any of the "major > > competitor" suites. In any case you can open PDF files in OpenOffice. Just > > install the PDF Import extension. > > > > Yes PDF is an editable format, you just need to have a PDF editor. The >

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-27 Thread Dave Fisher
> On May 27, 2020, at 7:18 AM, Keith N. McKenna > wrote: > > Pedro; > Comments in-line > > On 5/26/2020 5:18 PM, Pedro Lino wrote: >> >>> Plus your your phrasing >>> leaves it wide open for people to complain about PDF files same as they >>> already do. >> >> PDF is not an editable

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-27 Thread Keith N. McKenna
Pedro; Comments in-line On 5/26/2020 5:18 PM, Pedro Lino wrote: > >> Plus your your phrasing >> leaves it wide open for people to complain about PDF files same as they >> already do. > > PDF is not an editable format and it is not from any of the "major > competitor" suites. In any case you

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-27 Thread Pedro Lino
> On May 27, 2020 12:26 AM Larry Gusaas < larry.gus...@gmail.com > mailto:larry.gus...@gmail.com > wrote: > > Apache OpenOffice DOES NOT read Apple Pages, Keynote, or Numbers files. > Thank you for this piece of information. This certainly puts a nail on the all vs most debate.

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-27 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Tue, 26 May 2020 17:26:55 -0600 Larry Gusaas wrote: > On 2020-05-23 2:34 p.m., Czesław Wolański wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache OpenOffice?" > > > > https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice > > > > Not being a native

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2020-05-23 2:34 p.m., Czesław Wolański wrote: Hi, Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache OpenOffice?" https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about one part (2nd bulleted list, 2nd item):

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Dean Webber
More emphasis should be placed on the fact that OO is a full feature suite committed to the Open Document Format. This OASIS standard is an important feature of all libre/open source/commons suites going forward, and puts immense pressure on the older style (microsoft) native formats, which is

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Peter Kovacs
Am 26.05.20 um 23:18 schrieb Pedro Lino: Plus your your phrasing leaves it wide open for people to complain about PDF files same as they already do. PDF is not an editable format and it is not from any of the "major competitor" suites. In any case you can open PDF files in OpenOffice. Just

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Pedro Lino
> Plus your your phrasing > leaves it wide open for people to complain about PDF files same as they > already do. PDF is not an editable format and it is not from any of the "major competitor" suites. In any case you can open PDF files in OpenOffice. Just install the PDF Import extension. >

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Rory, Matthias, all > On May 26, 2020 7:36 PM Rory O'Farrell wrote: > I am coming to the stage where I despair of ever educating the average > computer user, usually two generations later than my own - they see the > computer as a "Magic Box", and expect it to read their minds. Look even

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Keith N. McKenna
On 5/26/2020 2:36 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > On Tue, 26 May 2020 19:30:04 +0100 (WEST) > Pedro Lino wrote: > >> Hi Rory >> >> I believe it would have more impact (and still be correct) if you replaced it with "the software reads all current file types of major competitors."

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Tue, 26 May 2020 19:30:04 +0100 (WEST) Pedro Lino wrote: > Hi Rory > > > > > I believe it would have more impact (and still be correct) if you > > > replaced it with > > > > > > "the software reads all current file types of major competitors." > > > > > > Regards, > > > Pedro > > > > My

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Matthias Seidel
OK, I will hold on until this (hopefully not endless) discussion is finished... ;-) Matthias Am 26.05.20 um 20:30 schrieb Pedro Lino: > Hi Rory > > >>> I believe it would have more impact (and still be correct) if you replaced >>> it with >>> >>> "the software reads all current file types of

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Rory > > I believe it would have more impact (and still be correct) if you replaced > > it with > > > > "the software reads all current file types of major competitors." > > > > Regards, > > Pedro > > My reasoning for the earlier wording which I suggested is that many users, > becoming

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Tue, 26 May 2020 19:02:02 +0100 (WEST) Pedro Lino wrote: > Hi Matthias, all > > I believe it would have more impact (and still be correct) if you replaced it > with > > "the software reads all current file types of major competitors." > > Regards, > Pedro My reasoning for the earlier

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Matthias, all I believe it would have more impact (and still be correct) if you replaced it with "the software reads all current file types of major competitors." Regards, Pedro > On May 26, 2020 5:42 PM Matthias Seidel wrote: > > > Hi all, > > If there are no further opinions I will

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Czesław Wolański
Hi, > Can you wait for 300 million? ;-) With outmost impatience. :'‑) Regards, Czesław Am Di., 26. Mai 2020 um 19:39 Uhr schrieb Matthias Seidel < matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>: > Am 26.05.20 um 19:32 schrieb Czesław Wolański: > > Hi, > > > >> Apparently German has no translation at all...

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Matthias Seidel
Am 26.05.20 um 19:32 schrieb Czesław Wolański: > Hi, > >> Apparently German has no translation at all... ;-) > Indeed. But it has "these nice baloons, ribbons and confetti" image with > 290,000,000 Downloads... ;-) You really want it, don't you? Can you wait for 300 million? ;-) > > Regards, >

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Czesław Wolański
Hi, > Apparently German has no translation at all... ;-) Indeed. But it has "these nice baloons, ribbons and confetti" image with 290,000,000 Downloads... ;-) Regards, Czesław Am Di., 26. Mai 2020 um 19:21 Uhr schrieb Matthias Seidel < matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>: > Hi, > > Am 26.05.20 um

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi, Am 26.05.20 um 19:03 schrieb Czesław Wolański: > Hi, > > @Matthias > > Polish translation: > > "program odczytuje większość typów pliku swoich głównych konkurentów" Thanks! Apparently German has no translation at all... ;-) Matthias > > > Regards, > > Czesław > > > Am Di., 26. Mai 2020 um

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Czesław Wolański
Hi, @Matthias Polish translation: "program odczytuje większość typów pliku swoich głównych konkurentów" Regards, Czesław Am Di., 26. Mai 2020 um 18:42 Uhr schrieb Matthias Seidel < matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>: > Hi all, > > If there are no further opinions I will change the text according

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-26 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi all, If there are no further opinions I will change the text according to Rory's suggestion tomorrow: ...the software reads all major competitors' files -> ...the software reads most file types of major competitors This will be for the main page, the /xx template and I will adjust the German

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Dean, all > > I think Microsoft does this on purpose. > > >"reads all current file types of major competitors." > > It may read it, but it does not always understand it. Agreed, that is why I think the emphasys should be on file _types_. The same can be said about Microsoft Office. Using

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Dean Webber
Microsoft does this on purpose. >"reads all current file types of major competitors." It may read it, but it does not always understand it. Kind Regards, Dean From: Pedro Lino Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2020 9:33 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Peter Kovacs
Am 24.05.20 um 12:37 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: Everyone knows that. Me too. But Peter talked about 'multiple ideas to fill the gap on OOXML'. *What are these ideas?* 1) finish OOXML implementation we have 2) use Apache POI (Is in Java) 3) Port the LO version into an extension (The extension

RE: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Hello, > -Original Message- > From: Mechtilde [mailto:o...@mechtilde.de] > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 12:17 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording? > > Hello, > > Am 24.05.20 um 11:52 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: &g

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Matthias Seidel
+1 to Rory's suggestion. Since the discussion already went of topic, let's not forget to rephrase that sentence... ;-) Regards,    Matthias Am 24.05.20 um 09:20 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 > Czesław Wolański wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Apache OpenOffice Product

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Mechtilde
Hello, Am 24.05.20 um 11:52 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] >> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:21 AM >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wo

RE: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Jörg Schmidt
> -Original Message- > From: Czesław Wolański [mailto:czeslaw.wolan...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:31 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording? > > Hi, > > On the said page i.e. > http

RE: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Jörg Schmidt
> -Original Message- > From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:21 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording? > > > Am 24.05.20 um 11:10 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > > It's not

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Rory, all > On May 24, 2020 8:20 AM Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. > > I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some .docx and > perhaps others not yet developed. Since you are (and correctly so) referring to file

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Czesław Wolański
Hi, On the said page i.e. https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice there is a statement: "With a fully open development process, Apache OpenOffice has nothing to hide - the product stands or falls on its reputation". To take "one step at a time" and not to lose sight

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Peter Kovacs
Am 24.05.20 um 11:10 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: It's not that I think it would be good to use OOXML (I mean instead of ODF), it's just that users need this feature. Nobody thinks OOXML is an unimportant feature. I have not seen anyone against it. We have already multiple Ideas how to close the

RE: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Jörg Schmidt
> -Original Message- > From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 10:42 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording? > > On Sun, 24 May 2020 10:30:58 +0200 > Jörg Schmidt wrote: >

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Sun, 24 May 2020 10:30:58 +0200 Jörg Schmidt wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] > > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:20 AM > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > > Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording? &

RE: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Jörg Schmidt
> -Original Message- > From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:20 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording? > > On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 > Czesław Wolański wrote: &g

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Peter Kovacs
+1 Am 24.05.20 um 10:05 schrieb Czesław Wolański: Hi, Thank you very much for explanation and far-sighted proposal. I hope others will agree and I might finally enjoy peace of mind for... "Roma locuta, causa finita" [1]. ;‑) Kind regards, Czesław [1]

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Czesław Wolański
Hi, Thank you very much for explanation and far-sighted proposal. I hope others will agree and I might finally enjoy peace of mind for... "Roma locuta, causa finita" [1]. ;‑) Kind regards, Czesław [1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Roma_locuta,_causa_finita Am So., 24. Mai 2020 um 09:20

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

2020-05-24 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 Czesław Wolański wrote: > Hi, > > Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache OpenOffice?" > > https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice > > Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about one part (2nd >