Re: [OSM-dev] Restarting the EWG
Simon, agree that’s a danger. I think the starting point is not a list of technical tasks, but strategic goals that have technical implications and to which technical needs can be linked. Connect up the tech to overall purpose. For instance, the data privacy for gdpr compliance is a osmf goal. To achieve that there’s a specific implementation need. The EWG needs to look at all means to achieve it — thus far putting out a cfp (repeatedly) has not turned up any rails devs. We need to think about why, and evaluate changes of tactics. At yesterday’s board meeting we talked about various MWG needs to connect civicrm and OSM.org. So another example. It’s not all “boring”. There’s always a swirl of ideas to refresh OSM.org landing page. Primarily that’s a communication and design question, but for ewg the question is how ready is the rails app for implementing new designs. Mikel On Friday, November 20, 2020, 6:04 AM, Simon Poole wrote: Without at least some guidance from the board on purpose and scope I see a real danger of this turning in to yet another iteration of "lets make a top ten list of stuff that might attract devs" with more money, aka not just GSOC, thrown in as the sole change. With the boring stuff that "actually needs to be done" (tm), being ignored. it isn't as if we don't have the experience of numerous failed EWG reboots. Examples: - the data privacy related work that needs on the API, the website and data distribution, this is probably the best defined and scoped work that has ever existed in the history of OSM, still it has made zero progress over the last three years, - putting a system in place to manage third party sources, permissions to use them and provide attribution in a scaleable fashion (realistically just providing the mechanics for this wont be enough, as the clean up itself has to be organized and that could easily require multiple man years of clerical work). I'm sure there are other similar items from operations and communications that are simply never going to make any kind of list without the EWG actually being made -responsible- for clearly defined outcomes instead of a lot of hand waving that will simply gyrate to projects that result in the largest amount of back patting (iD etc). Simon Am 19.11.2020 um 17:09 schrieb Paul Norman via dev: > The OSMF Board is looking at restarting the Engineering Working Group > with a revised scope to include handling paid software development. > This scope needs to be developed with existing and new volunteers, but > my ideas are that it would include > > - Google Summer of Code, > - managing development to be paid by the OSMF by contracts and grants, > and > - collaborating with other organizations for multi-organization grants. > > It would do this by by > - placing calls for proposals for paid work on topics like top ten tasks; > - accepting other proposals; > - defining an approximate distribution of OSMF funds for development > between primary/secondary/tertiary services, external services, and > new services; > - encouraging applications from skilled individuals who aren't > professional developers, professional contractors, companies, and others. > > Once the scope and funding distribution guidelines are defined we > would want to start with low-risk projects involving experienced > people who need less management. > > If you are interested in changing the EWG to handle these roles, > please let me know. > > > ___ > dev mailing list > dev@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] osm.org groups
btw, more discussion on the groups concept at https://github.com/osmlab/osm-planning/issues/1 Personally, I think that https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index has picked up a lot of what "groups" were intended to cover (a system for defining location based ones anyway). I don't think replicating forum type functionality directly in osm.org is valuable. What could be cool is a way to associate your user with communities in the index, and then get filtered views of mapping and user activity, and links to communication channels. On the topic of spending money on development, I don't speak for the Board here, but I don't see why we wouldn't at least entertain any serious proposal put forward (and by that I mean specifics on what would be built, evidence of discussion and by in by community, what kind of resources it would take). This kind of thing may also perfectly fit within microgrants (which we still want to do, but also need the time to finalize). -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron On Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 4:29:16 AM EDT, Jiri Vlasak wrote: I understand. My concerns are about scalability and sustainability. Also, I don't like merging services like maps with social network. Therefore I think that if you run local Diaspora* with OAuth over osm.org it less work and better scalability/sustainability. Ofcourse it's just idea. Have a nice day, jiri On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 01:53:38AM -0300, Дмитрий Киселев wrote: > I suppose there are not so many of us who wants a social network. Just a > couple of more convenient instruments for communication which are built in. > > Пн, 20 мая 2019, 14:32 Jiri Vlasak : > > > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 10:18:46AM -0300, Дмитрий Киселев wrote: > > > We already have hacked mail lists. > > > > > > I'm working on getting original pull request back to work, but its going > > > quite slow. > > > > The question was more philosophic. The problem I see with OSM is that it's > > map, > > not a social network. But I may be wrong. > > > > > Пн, 20 мая 2019, 5:55 Jiri Hubacek : > > > > > > > út 30. 4. 2019 v 17:19 odesílatel Дмитрий Киселев < > > > > dmitry.v.kise...@gmail.com> napsal: > > > > > > > >> Hi everyone, > > > >> I know that making a good working groups is hard and only facebook > > > >> succeed in that, and that's why we don't have any way to group users > > or > > > >> friends at osm.org > > > >> > > > > > > > > What about this idea: Hack already existing social network like > > Diaspora* > > > > to enable authentication over osm.org? > > > > > > ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Build OpenStreetMap Tools for Conservation
Moabi is looking for a developer to lead the team customizing the OSM stack for forest conservation in DRC and elsewhere. Check out the details and apply! http://rdc.moabi.org/technical_lead/en/ Thanks Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] replication database advice
Hi I'm helping someone out. We're looking to set up a geographically filtered replication from minutely or hourly planet diffs. The replicated, local read-only db will be used to field large area map API queries locally, and make extracts. Intention is to contribute changes back to OSM, so all relevant information needs to be maintained. Is there a guide or best practice to setting something like this up? Looking at the osmosis documentation, and seems like a pipeline of --merge-replication-files --bounding-box and --write-apidb-change tasks would do it. But wonder if this is the most efficient way. Note, only need the current state of features, not history, but don't see an option for that in osmosis (only populateCurrentTables flag, nothing to turn off history). Also, on the local API side, don't really want to keep the whole rails app running. What are some of the alternative API servers out there? Thanks Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] problem with newest compile of renderd
As a temporary measure, I copied files from src/ to ./, and built again. Now getting this error. This on debian sid. /usr/share/apr-1.0/build/libtool --silent --mode=compile --tag=disable-static x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc -prefer-pic -DLINUX=2 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/include/apr-1.0 -I/usr/include/openssl -I/usr/include/xmltok -pthread -I/usr/include/apache2 -I/usr/include/apr-1.0 -I/usr/include/apr-1.0 -I./includes -c -o ./src/store_file.lo ./src/store_file.c && touch ./src/store_file.slo ./src/store_file.c:46: warning: ‘struct storage_backend’ declared inside parameter list ./src/store_file.c:46: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration, which is probably not what you want ./src/store_file.c: In function ‘file_tile_read’: ./src/store_file.c:55: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron >____ > From: Mikel Maron >To: "dev@openstreetmap.org" >Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:18 PM >Subject: [OSM-dev] problem with newest compile of renderd > > > >Hi > > >I'm trying to build mod_tile from the latest commits in git. Getting this >error... > > >make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mikel/src/mod_tile' >make[1]: *** No rule to make target `daemon.c', needed by `daemon.o'. Stop. > > >Something in my configuration, or something missing in the latest commits? > > >Thanks >Mikel > > > > > >* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron >___ >dev mailing list >dev@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > > >___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] problem with newest compile of renderd
Hi I'm trying to build mod_tile from the latest commits in git. Getting this error... make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mikel/src/mod_tile' make[1]: *** No rule to make target `daemon.c', needed by `daemon.o'. Stop. Something in my configuration, or something missing in the latest commits? Thanks Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Mark your calendars for the #BirthdaySprint! (Now with snazzy website!)
Birthday Sprint! * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron - Forwarded Message - >From: Kathleen Danielson >To: OpenStreetMap US Talk ; OpenStreetMap Talk >Mailing List ; "h...@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap" > >Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 9:35 AM >Subject: Re: [HOT] Mark your calendars for the #BirthdaySprint! (Now with >snazzy website!) > > > >Hey Everyone-- just a reminder that this is happening this weekend! It's >actually kicking off tomorrow evening at MapTimeSF at Stamen's office, so feel >free to get started! Remember that this is a distributed event, though, so you >definitely don't have to show up in person to participate. > > >Let me or Mikel know if you have any questions-- we're excited to celebrate >OSM's birthday with all of you! > > >Kathleen > > > >On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Kathleen Danielson > wrote: > >As you all know, in honor of OpenStreetMap's 9th birthday, we are holding a >Birthday Sprint next weekend, August 10th - 11th. Since we can't all be in the >same room (this time), this will be a distributed code sprint, so you won't >even need to get off the couch! All you'll need to do is get online, and all >you'll need to bring is your enthusiasm! >> >> >>Whoever has an OSM project they are working on is invited to rally their >>communities to do a dedicated push over those two days. We already have a LOT >>of great projects signed up, so if you want to help, but don't know where to >>get started, check out our projects page, where you can find contact info, >>code repositories, discussion lists and more. >> >> >>We're working to identify tasks for non-developers as well, so keep checking >>back as we get closer to the date of the sprint if you don't see anything you >>feel comfortable contributing to just yet. >> >> >>These are the projects that are signed up so far: >> * OSM Groups >> * HOT Website updates >> * HOT cross-site toolbar >> * Complete iD integration into tasking server >> * WikiMaps >> * Historical OSM >> * Hashtag Aggregation >> * Social Feature Planning (UX workshop) >> * DC Building ImportWe're excited about all of the enthusiasm that >> we've heard so far, but this list isn't done yet! If you've got a project >> you'd like to add feel free to hit me up, or fork the github page. All we >> ask is that someone take ownership for the sprint, you provide a place where >> contributors can find tasks and ongoing discussion, and bring a lot of >> enthusiasm! >> >> >>Finally, even though this is a distributed code sprint, there are a few >>in-person events popping up (in DC, SF, and Salt Lake City). Find details >>here, and let us know if you're planning an in-person event too! >> >>KD >> >> > >___ >HOT mailing list >h...@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > >___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Birthday Sprint
OSM Devs To celebrate OSM's 9th birthday, we've been organizing a Code Sprint ... the Birthday Sprint! http://osmlab.github.io/birthday-sprint/ So far there are nine projects lined up. If you are excited to contribute, choose to join one of the projects. http://osmlab.github.io/birthday-sprint/about/ Or start a new one. You can notify me to list it with the details, or fork and pull request on the gitpages repo. We're getting together in a few locations so far: DC, SF, SLC. Join us, set up a new place to gather, or just link up remote. Will be hanging in #osm-dev on the day. -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Birthday Sprint Chat Today at EWG
Hi A few of us have been discussing organizing a Code Sprint for OSM's Birthday Party, August 10 ... a Birthday Sprint! Wanted to started fleshing out the idea, coordinate what projects could get a push on a distributed sprint next month. The EWG meets today at 17:00 UTC on #osm-ewg, thought this could be a good chance to chat about it. We'll also be discussing it on #hot, among other things. Please join if you're interested to build for OSM! Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] SotM ads for front page
Hi Sounds like this issue should be directed to the CWG to discuss, and define the guidelines and process more clearly. -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > > From: Richard Weait >To: Tom Hughes >Cc: dev >Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:21 AM >Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] SotM ads for front page > > > >On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: > >On 16/05/13 13:05, Richard Weait wrote: >> >> >>Sorry that you didn't get an ad on the front page then. Obviously you would >>now, because the policy has changed. >>> >> If policy has changed then could somebody please document what the new policy is so that I am able to apply it when considering your request? > > >That would be nice. > > >Please stop trying to drag me into your ridiculous argument. You know as well >as I do that you are just trying to make some sort of point with this request >because the CWG vote on Monday didn't go the way you wanted. >> > > >No, I'm trying to grow the local community for the benefit of the >OpenStreetMap community at large. I support the CWG decision. > > >The truly silly thing is that the CWG vote didn't actually have anything to do >with the ads getting deployed, because I had already done that a hour or two >earlier, based on the fact that discussion had petered out, time was somewhat >of the essence, and nobody had objected to my suggestion the day before that I >merge the pull request to add the two ads in random rotation. >> > > >Ah, then there will be no problem with adding one more to the rotation. > > >In any event there is clearly a difference between advertising an annual >conference that expects to have hundreds of delegates and advertising regular >small scale meetups - whether the event has a geographical scope in the title >is clearly not the only thing that any policy would need to consider. >> > > >So you'll only place ads for non-recurring events? Or that events should only >have ads once they expect attendance >n when it could be argued that they >don't need an ad? :-) You think the aggregate influence of multiple events >should be disregarded? That sounds strange in the context of somebody who >adds pubs to the map one at a time over the course of years. But then, I'm an >anti-importist. :-) > > >And I'm certain that we'll have higher attendance numbers once our ad is up. > > > >But anyway, the summary is that I do not want, and do not intend to become, >any sort of referee in this ridiculous pissing contest. >> > Sorry, I'm not interested in such a contest. Please deploy the ad promptly. Time is of the essence. I'm sure other events will want and deserve prominent front page ad placement soon, as well. > >___ >dev mailing list >dev@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > > >___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Notes Branch
Great news!!! * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > > From: Tom Hughes >To: Mitja Kleider >Cc: dev@openstreetmap.org >Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:15 PM >Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Notes Branch > > >On 24/04/13 19:57, Mitja Kleider wrote: >> On 04/24/2013 08:48 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: >>> Don't know where you got three months from - less than twelve hours >>> would be an accurate number. >> >> Because this issue is three months old: >> <https://github.com/tomhughes/openstreetmap-website/issues/40> >> Guess that was on a testing server, sorry for the confusion. > >Yes that was against my tree during development and testing. The PR for >merging it to master was on the main tracker: > >https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/209 > >Tom > >-- >Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) >http://compton.nu/ > >___ >dev mailing list >dev@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > > >___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Notes Branch
Hey Getting some renewed interest in the Notes features. Curious to know the outlook on the notes branch deployment. Are these the remaining issues? What can we do to help? https://github.com/tomhughes/openstreetmap-website/issues Also wondering about API. Assume that it's differeing from this? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetBugs/API Is authentication required for note creation? Will it be possible for an external app to post on behalf on non-OSM users? Thanks -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Downloading data via the Export tab
(Moving to dev) What would it take for Overpass API export to be listed in the export tab? Is it about service reliability? * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > > From: Dave F. >To: >Cc: OSM Talk >Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:17 PM >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading data via the Export tab > >Overpass was (eventually) the way to go. Downloaded a couple of areas & >looking good on the GPSr. > >Thanks to all for your help > >Dave F. > >___ >talk mailing list >t...@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > >___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] OpenStreetBugs API in integration
Hi The current OSB integration work into osm.org, will this include the OSB API? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetBugs/API#Editing_bugs Users of OSM data on their websites would be interested to integrate bug reporting directly into their application. Thanks -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Hello World
> * Create a new map style intended to be the default face of OSM, but leave >the current OSM.org Mapnik style as-is. It works beautifully as an editor's >basemap due to the dense inclusion of > all data. Keep it, but add a new one that's for non-editors to look at. I'll add here, internationalization of tiles would be a key development. Especially with some of the recent edit wars Korea/Japan/China over island names and possession. * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > > From: Michal Migurski >To: dev@openstreetmap.org >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 10:14 AM >Subject: [OSM-dev] Hello World > >Hi everyone, > >I've been following the OSM Wishlist thread via the list archives on the web >and thought I'd pop in to join the discussion. I feel of two minds about the >suggestion: on the one hand, I'm thrilled to see energy from Tom, Alex and the >Mapbox team. On the other, I feel like the OSM community is about to >experience a full-court press and needs to build up some structure to match. >I'm excited to see what Mapbox comes up with hear, but I think it would be a >misuse of the Knight grant to develop a bucket of tools without the admin time >to support their long-term use. > >My wishlist: > >* Create a new map style intended to be the default face of OSM, but leave the >current OSM.org Mapnik style as-is. It works beautifully as an editor's >basemap due to the dense inclusion of all data. Keep it, but add a new one >that's for non-editors to look at. > >* Improved relation + data model support in a editors, either a new one or a >retrofit onto Potlatch. Things like route relations or addressing schemas are >important, for example, and should see the same kind of first-class support in >an editor that the primary/secondary/etc. road schema does. It's time for >these higher-order features to come out of the lab. > >* Better time-awareness in planet dumps. I want to see a "days since last >edit" or similar attribute on all entities in the planet file, which will make >it possible to create downstream displays and styles that address hot, >contentious information. We're starting to see two tiers of OSM data >consumers, those who want the latest-newness and those who want to treat OSM >like a slower-moving data source. > >* Social OSM: feh, don't care. > >Stepping back, the story of OSM *is* that things happen in other tools, so I'm >in agreement with Paweł Paprota that Mapbox should "build something that needs >JSON support, filtering and tag API" before those features get fed into the >core infrastructure. The minute diffs support the ability to develop real, >working systems in an offboard manner, and I think we should take advantage of >that. > >I'm also in agreement with Tom Hughes on the issue of bug trackers: "issue >trackers that are acquiring things at a faster rate than things are being >closed have an unfortunate effect," sapping energy through administrative >overhead. I use Trac and Github for issue tracking on sparingly, when issues >have a clear boundary and release target. > >-mike. > > >michal migurski- m...@stamen.com > 415.558.1610 > > > > >___ >dev mailing list >dev@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > > >___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Will the real OpenStreetBugs stand up?
> What part of "I will take an action to get something pushed out before the >next meeting" did you fail to understand yesterday? This sounds promising, but I fail to understand it fully. Is there someone else from the EWG meeting (not TomH, who I don't want to bother) who would like to fill us in on these developments with integrating bug tracking into OSM.org? -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > > From: Tom Hughes >To: Tom MacWright >Cc: dev@openstreetmap.org >Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 4:31 PM >Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Will the real OpenStreetBugs stand up? > >On 09/10/12 21:24, Tom MacWright wrote: > >> All those are independent third party sites created by individuals >> and are not directly related to core site. >> >> Aren't they using the same database somehow? > >No idea. > >> What we were talking about in the EWG meeting was adding a "bug" >> reporting system to the main site that records things in the main >> database and is integrated with the API etc. >> >> It is not directly related to any of the sites you mention. >> >> Okay, then what is it? :) Is it not open-source at all? I thought that >> you were working on a branch of the 'official' OSB project and just >> needed to merge/publish that? > >What part of "I will take an action to get something pushed out before the >next meeting" did you fail to understand yesterday? > >The story is that Kai created something that was literally based on taking one >of the existing OSB systems and bolting that javascript onto the rails code >but it didn't produce a something that was very coherent with the rest of the >site and API so I have been reworking it. > >There is a branch out there that you may stumble across but it bears no >resemblence to the current code. > >Now if you want me to get what I have cleaned up and published I should >probably stop writing emails about it and actually work on it instead... > >Tom > >-- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) >http://compton.nu/ > >___ >dev mailing list >dev@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > > >___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] New Program: Changemonger
Pawel Would be great to hear more about your work on activity streams. Can you fill us in? -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > > From: Paweł Paprota >To: dev@openstreetmap.org >Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:17 AM >Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] New Program: Changemonger > >Hi Serge, > >We've been e-mailing about this project in private in the context of the >activity stream stuff that's slowly being developed for osm.org - I >think it would be perfect to have these descriptions in the stream, >certainly better than "user X entered changeset XYZ" or anything else I >can come up on my own during activity stream development. > >I will sink my teeth into your project as soon as I can and we can >continue the discussion. > >For now, happy birthday and good luck with the move again :) > >Paweł > >On Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 16:07, Serge Wroclawski wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> It's my birthday today and I have a tradition of giving a gifts on my >> birthday. So my birthday gift to the OSM community is Changemonger. >> >> Changemonger makes it easier to understand what's going on in an area. >> >> The original idea is that you can have useful notifications like this: >> >> "emacsen added two school, deleted three roads and an untagged node in >> New York City" >> >> Changemonger isn't quite there yet, but it's pretty darn close. Right >> now, it would give you a sentence like: >> >> "emacsen edited three roads, two schools and an untagged node". >> >> The core of Changemonger is a new feature system that's built to be >> very simple to use and customize. The big feature for Changemonger's >> feature system is that it supports multiple taxonomies. >> >> A police station is a building, a municipal facility, and an emergency >> service, but buildings, municipal facilities and emergency services >> are not inter-related. >> >> There are lots of other cool stuff being built into Changemonger, >> beyond the simple interface that's there now. I hope to showcase some >> of this functionality soon, but I know this is a project some people >> have shown an interest in, so I wanted to release something early. >> >> This early release is fairly fragile, but it supports basic object >> matching and a first stab at a grouping algorithm. There's a lot more >> to do before it becomes stable and solid enough for production. >> >> The code's on github, here: >> https://github.com/emacsen/changemonger >> >> I don't want to spam the list too much about this, so if you have any >> technical questions about the code, let me know off-list by email. If >> there's interest, I'll set up a mailing list about the project and >> announce it here. >> >> Thanks again everyone. >> >> - Serge >> >> ___ >> dev mailing list >> dev@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > >___ >dev mailing list >dev@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > > >___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] OSM in-browser JavaScript editor
Another take on the same concept, this using Leaflet and PhoneGap compatible. https://github.com/yuvipanda/POSM http://yuvi.in/POSM/ * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > > From: Alex Morega >To: dev@openstreetmap.org >Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 4:39 PM >Subject: [OSM-dev] OSM in-browser JavaScript editor > >Hello, > >I'm working on an editor for OpenStreetMap. It works in the browser, using >native technologies (no Flash), makes heavy use of OpenLayers, and depends on >a thin server proxy to perform OAuth and upload changesets to the API. It >should work well on mobile browsers; tested on an iPad. > >A demo installation can be seen at http://lawn.grep.ro/ - it's configured to >talk to the "dev" database. Right now, the editor handles nodes: >creation/movement/deletion and editing of properties. Ways and relations will >come later. > >The code is on GitHub (https://github.com/alex-morega/Lawn). It's kind of a >mess, but I wanted to have a quick working version; the logic is being >reorganized on top of Backbone (http://documentcloud.github.com/backbone/). > >Feedback would be greatly appreciated! > >Cheers, >-- Alex > > >___ >dev mailing list >dev@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > > >___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Google Summer of Code
Well done!!! * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > > From: Graham Jones >To: OSM-talk Openstreetmap ; OSM-Dev Openstreetmap > >Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:03 AM >Subject: [OSM-dev] Google Summer of Code > > >Hi All, >I am pleased to announce that OSM has been accepted to participate in this >year's Google Summer of Code programme >(http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/osm). > > >Thanks to all of you who have contributed to our ideas page >(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GSoC_Project_Ideas_2012), which supported >the application. > > >Over the next few weeks we can expect potential students to review the ideas >page and contact us to seek clarification on ideas or guidance on how to >develop them. >Ian Dees has set a good example in responding to such requests positively, and >with a steer that a good start is to learn a bit about mapping. > > >I would be grateful if you would again review the ideas list and provide any >clarifications that may help students in producing a project proposal from >them. >I would also like to hear from anyone that would be prepared to act as a >mentor on this year's programme. > > >I will do a bit more work on a wiki page that I have started on the process I >propose to follow for this year's GSoC >(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Processes), and send >another update email so you know what we will be doing. > > >Thanks again for your support. > >Regards > > > >Graham. > > >-- >Graham Jones >Hartlepool, UK. > >___ >dev mailing list >dev@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > > >___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] helping #switch2osm
Hi Over the past couple days, I gave some assistance to someone setting up their own tile infrastructure. They mostly got along on their own, following http://weait.com/content/build-your-own-openstreetmap-server, and picking through the wiki, but they definitely could've had an easier time. And we should expect more of this soon, and we want this! Nestoria and StreetEasy switching, the Wired article. Just the beginning. How do we help folks get their tile servers up and running even easier. Here's some suggestions we discussed... 1) Clear instructions, at an easily findable address (outside the wiki, which is hard to follow) (anyone register switch2osm.com? or tryosm.org). Should include some description of the different options, with links for getting into the details ... but at least a clear guide through the well worn path of setting up a tile server. 2) A packaged solution, like a chef recipe, to install everything needed. 3) A VM image for an open source virtualization package, that has everything installed. May not necessarily be for production, but at least make it easy to try things out. 4) Would the EWG be the place to get this together? Cheers Mikel == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Friend's diaries & Nearby users changesets and diaries
Hi A problem I was considering was how to allow more communication between local mappers. We don't want to build a spam engine. But at the moment, it is laborious and hit or miss to reach to mappers in a particular area. Diary entries are an unobtrusive communication stream. Right now, you can get an individuals diary entries, diary entries in a particular language, or just all of the entries. So I added two filters, linked to from your own User page ... diary entries from your friends, and diary entries by nearby users. And just to balance, added changesets by nearby users too. These are the two commits adding these features. Can these be considered for pull into git.openstreetmap.org https://github.com/mikelmaron/openstreetmap-website/commit/32ca7697b663ea2c65b3a165eca35176c3e3b27c https://github.com/mikelmaron/openstreetmap-website/commit/4231e169a9020f2555cdfd744b537baa9a57ea10 Some further issues to explore later. * Diary filters should be on the diary page itself. * Diary entries can have a location too. Add filter for this too. * Your own user profile page is getting crowded. * Would be nice to sort nearby users by their last changeset edit. More generally I'm thinking about the user profile page. It has two functions ... one to view other people, and another as a dashboard for yourself. I think these should start to diverge into two different pages. The user profile should be grown to give a better idea of what a mapper is up to. Richard's statistics would work well here (http://rweait.dev.openstreetmap.org/daily/board_career.html). Recent changesets and diary entries could be pulled into one page. The Dashboard would be a focus point for a mapper to stay on top of everything they care about in OSM. So in one page, give a summary of what friends and nearby users are up to, but also what's happening in places you care about. For many users, myself included, there are many areas you've mapped, and would like to keep track of. Right now, you explicitly express interest by declaring your home location. This could be expanded to multiple, manually specified locations (my top 10 areas); or by analysis, a list of your top areas for editing could be automatically compiled. Both of these are going to need some smart design. My immediate thoughts are that a dashboard would compile a stream of activity. If anyone of any stripe is interested in collaborating on anything around these ideas, or other ideas, let's get to work. -Mikel ps I did this coding instead of replying to a thread on talk@. Felt good! == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Stats on osm.org user page views
Thanks Grant! http://grant.dev.openstreetmap.org/tmp/logs/user-view-count-2011-12-cleaned.txt == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > > From: Mikel Maron >To: Tom Hughes >Cc: "dev@openstreetmap.org" >Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 10:06 AM >Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Stats on osm.org user page views > > > >> >> >>>> You can't really, as we don't have any. >>> >>> We don't have any web site statistics?! Where can we set that up? >> >>No I didn't say that, did I. >> >>I said we didn't have the statistic you asked for. >> >> >> >"don't have any" right. sorry I wasn't able to understand that. > >On IRC, Tom was able to inform me more fully > > >1) http://stats.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/awstats.pl?config=www.openstreetmap.org is > up. But it doesn't have details on page views. Imagine this is possible to >configure. Anyone know about awstats? > > >2) We have a piwik installation, but it requires a login. Can I get a login? > > >3) Someone with access to the raw logs could regex out this stat. Least >preferable to me, because it's one time, not that reproducible. > > >Mikel >___ >dev mailing list >dev@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > > >___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Stats on osm.org user page views
> > >>> You can't really, as we don't have any. >> >> We don't have any web site statistics?! Where can we set that up? > >No I didn't say that, did I. > >I said we didn't have the statistic you asked for. > > > "don't have any" right. sorry I wasn't able to understand that. On IRC, Tom was able to inform me more fully 1) http://stats.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/awstats.pl?config=www.openstreetmap.org is up. But it doesn't have details on page views. Imagine this is possible to configure. Anyone know about awstats? 2) We have a piwik installation, but it requires a login. Can I get a login? 3) Someone with access to the raw logs could regex out this stat. Least preferable to me, because it's one time, not that reproducible. Mikel___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Stats on osm.org user page views
> You can't really, as we don't have any. We don't have any web site statistics?! Where can we set that up? >The bigger issue will be persuading me to merge code that makes part of the >web site rely on an external server in that way ;-) Let's put it on an internal server then. == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron >____ > From: Tom Hughes >To: Mikel Maron >Cc: "dev@openstreetmap.org" >Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 9:16 AM >Subject: Re: Stats on osm.org user page views > >On 06/01/12 13:39, Mikel Maron wrote: > >> How can I find stats on the page views of the user profile pages on osm.org? > >You can't really, as we don't have any. > >> I'm thinking about integrating statistics, perhaps from >> http://hdyc.neis-one.org/, into osm.org. >> One straightforward way would be a javascript embed (linking to >> neis-one.org, or an OSM server). >> Trying to get a sense of what the load would be, if every User page view >> made a request there. > >Whether that site can stand the load is only one issue. > >The bigger issue will be persuading me to merge code that makes part of the >web site rely on an external server in that way ;-) > >Tom > >-- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) >http://compton.nu/ > > >___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Stats on osm.org user page views
Hi How can I find stats on the page views of the user profile pages on osm.org? I'm thinking about integrating statistics, perhaps from http://hdyc.neis-one.org/, into osm.org. One straightforward way would be a javascript embed (linking to neis-one.org, or an OSM server). Trying to get a sense of what the load would be, if every User page view made a request there. -Mikel == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] coastline extracts
Is there anyone publishing coastlines, as Shapefiles? I need one for Haiti. == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Friends
> > > > > >> >> From: Toby Murray >>To: t...@openstreetmap.org >>Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:03 PM >>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Friends >> >>One thing I have thought might not be too hard to code up and provide >>some use would be to have a "Recent edits by my friends" page that >>just accumulates recent edits by your friends onto one page and >>displays it with bboxes like the single user edit history page. Right >>now you can only see the changeset comments from the last edit your >>friends have made. To see more is at least 2 clicks for each friend. >> >> >> >>Yup, sounded cool and simple. Pull request made! > >https://github.com/mikelmaron/openstreetmap-website/commit/db497585b41a68278883ab8dbd3f2c56179b28a8 > > > > > And deployed! http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/friends Special thanks to Tom for cleaning up my code, and getting this out so fast.___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Friends
> > From: Toby Murray >To: t...@openstreetmap.org >Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:03 PM >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Friends > >One thing I have thought might not be too hard to code up and provide >some use would be to have a "Recent edits by my friends" page that >just accumulates recent edits by your friends onto one page and >displays it with bboxes like the single user edit history page. Right >now you can only see the changeset comments from the last edit your >friends have made. To see more is at least 2 clicks for each friend. > > > >Yup, sounded cool and simple. Pull request made! https://github.com/mikelmaron/openstreetmap-website/commit/db497585b41a68278883ab8dbd3f2c56179b28a8 ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] better packaging of Potlatch resource files
Hi I'm helping the folks at Sahana out with their Potlatch2 integration. Could we make updates of all the resources files a tiny bit easier, and package them up into a single file? A tar file would do it, I think. -Mikel == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] legitimate IP blocked
https://twitter.com/#!/batje/status/76956988948496384 Uganda mapping party doing lots of good work today, got IP blocked. They have a workaround but shouldn't have to. I'm asking which IP, in case it's not obvious. == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Improving History and Monitoring
> I have refused to apply patches which do that, because I want somebody to fix >it properly and I am trying to incentivise people to do so. Tom, you're talking about integrating OWL, yes? And in principle, that's the best solution ... but it's been over a year that I've heard that, and I just want to improve things now, in a way I possibly can. So, you've said the need is simply hardware to put OWL in production? That's not something I can do, and I'm not aware of what the priority or difficulty of that is for Grant. How can we assess that? What else would need doing to integrate OWL, in software? That I might be able to do ... but I do think Matt would be able to do this much more quickly. Happy to help. In the mean time, I want to look at ways to visually distinguish different types of changesets. Anyone have a good idea or mockup for that design? Would colors be sufficient? Small icons? Filtering client side? (filtering server side might hit perfornance...) -Mikel___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Improving History and Monitoring
> I have never found any use for the big changeset indication that was there >before, other than to make me depressed when I click on history for a random >area and find, invariably, that 19 of the 20 edits listed are shown as big. It's useful to quick find the one that isn't big! > I have no objection to distinguishing friend edits, or bot edits (if we had a >way to know which they were, which we don't). Cool. bot=yes tag on the changeset is a good first step. > I don't see the point of distinguishing "big" edits because people don't > really >care - the only thing they really case about is whether the edit touches a >given >area. Big is simply a (poor) proxy for that. I disagree strongly. I think people really do care, enough that any proxy is good for the moment ... what percentage of big edits cover any particular area? -Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Improving History and Monitoring
Hi Who's interested in working to improve the usability of the History tab? What do you want to code? I've started coding some improvements in the History Tab -- you'll notice a new map. Described a bit on my blog, http://brainoff.com/weblog/2011/05/05/1674 There are already some obvious places for improvement. * "big" changesets are no longer marked, but that was useful. Want to find some non-obtrusive way of visually distinguishing them. * would be nice to do a similar same thing with bots. Is there a bot flag in the db? * Need to set a minimum height on the map. * If the extent of a changeset box is very small relative to the map, it's not visible. Could possibly show these as points below some ratio threshold. * On the map, changeset is highlighted only on the border. If there are overlapping areas this is a problem. One possible solution is to add an additional invisible, thick border around each bbox. In the bigger picture * The real way to deal with big and bot changesets is to have this listing driving by OWL. What's needed to make that happen? * I'm interested in exploring how incorporating our trust networks improves monitoring. For instance, could highlight friends vs non-friends in the listing. * How could we incorporate more visualization tools directly, like ITOMapper? -Mikel == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] filtering big changesets
Hi Getting frustrated with paging through changeset histories full of big edits. For an area without frequent edits, I simply want to find the last small edits, and check out who is editing there (like in Swaziland, where I am now, or Jenin-Palestine, where someone wants to start a project). There's an easy technical fix for the filtering, can we do it? I know it's important to note these big edits, just in case. Also I know Matt has been working on some solutions for this, to pinpoint only the relevant changesets. I also know about ITO, yup. But right now, I just want to filter out the big changesets, sometimes. Make an option in the view, add a conditional in the controller. To make this efficient, add a new column 'area', calculated on changeset close, because right now this is calculated in the model. That would require a migration. Support for this? -Mikel == Mikel Maron == +254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron http://mapkibera.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] mapnik image export failures (and fixes?)
Hi Recently, very frequently, image export has been failing from the main site (though it is working at the moment...) The error has been ... Error: The load average on the server is too high at the moment. Please wait a few minutes before trying again. TomH and jburgess have explained that the script will not run if the server load is above 20, and the tile server (which runs the export script) is frequently above 20. Since the export function is linked from the main site, imo we should consider it a core service that should be available at some service level. Personally, we use this feature often through Map Kibera. What are possible solutions? Would it be ok to raise the server load threshhold higher? Or do we need additional resources, either on the tile server itself, or another machine? Thanks Mikel == Mikel Maron == +254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron http://mapkibera.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] presentation on introduction to osm technicals
Hi I'm giving a workshop on Friday at the Africa Agricultural GIS Week in Nairobi. The first half of the day will be a short mapping party. The second half of the day will survey topics in how to use OSM data ... in OpenLayers, Shapefiles, using osmosis, API, etc. The audience will be GIS professionals. Does anyone have any presentation files or materials that covers this kind of thing? Thanks Mikel == Mikel Maron == +254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron http://mapkibera.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Map Kibera internships
Hi all Our projects in Kibera have been growing fast, and we have great opportunities opening up for adventurous and enthusiastic people. We're looking for interns to fill 4 positions, including 1 OSM Hacker, who'd take on responsibility in training and technical development. This particular role could be either on the ground, or possibly remote. http://www.mapkibera.org/blog/2010/05/31/map-kibera-internships/ Email myself, or cont...@mapkibera.org, if you think you'd be a fit for this role. Best Mikel == Mikel Maron == +254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron http://mapkibera.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [HOT] Open Street Map
John Come to our meeting this Friday in Nairobi at SODNET ... we will be discussing this. Best Mikel == Mikel Maron == +254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron http://mapkibera.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti From: John Yumbya To: h...@openstreetmap.org Cc: dev@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 9:35:33 AM Subject: [HOT] Open Street Map Hi all, can I download Open Street Map for my own purposes. Like running the map on my servers. If yes how do i do it. John___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Haiti support and FME
Nicolas and Robert arrived in Haiti on Sunday, and are already super busy. Robert is tweeting, http://twitter.com/rsoden I'm starting to get email requests from Nicolas for technical support. My role is to identify people to help if there's no one available already. Is anyone familiar with FME Server? We need this set up to support the Extract-Transform-Load process of the Humanitarian Data Model. -Mikel == Mikel Maron == +254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron http://mapkibera.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] thematic editing
Hi In the next phase of Map Kibera, we're going to be focusing on collecting much more detailed information on particular themes ... health, education, water/sanitation, security. The map data in Kibera is *very* dense, and in order to make the process easier, am looking into at only editing one particular kind of thing at a time. The process I'm doing now is * collect stats on tagging schemes [http://files.maps.jsintl.org/tags.html] * looking at a sector, and decide which tags to edit ... for example health, I choose amenity=hospital and amenity=pharmacy * download those via XAPI * load all the downloaded OSM files into JOSM, and merge layers * ok, that's what I want to edit! I'd like to investigate getting this end result in JOSM, without the manual steps below * Define the thematic layers in perferences (HEALTH is amenity=hospital, amenity=pharmacy, ROADS is highway=*, etc) * Add a panel which toggles visibility on each of those thematic layers. By default, there would be a layer for everything else not caught by the defined themes * ok, that's what I really want! Not being a JOSM plugin expert ... does anyone have ideas on how to implement? Interested in collaborating on a plugin? Thanks Mikel == Mikel Maron == +254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron http://mapkibera.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Haiti need: GetLatLon for OpenStreetMap
> http://gll.petschge.de > http://dbsgeo.com/latlon/ Thanks both! == Mikel Maron == http://mapkibera.org/ +254 (0) 724899738 mi...@osmfoundation.org___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Haiti need: GetLatLon for OpenStreetMap
> Hi, > I think OSMify will help you. It lets you add the OSM-Layers to > getlatlon.com > Link: > http://blog.johnmckerrell.com/2007/12/31/new-version-of-osmify-bookmarklet/ > Regards, > Melchior Yes, but remember ... very very newbies here, and a chaotic situation. We need to make this as easy as possible, and even the process of bookmarklets are not fool proof ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Haiti need: GetLatLon for OpenStreetMap
Thanks all for the suggestions, but slightly miss the ease of use for this task of GetLatLon ... it's a pretty subtle usability issue that's important for newbies and people doing a lot geocoding *there's a visible cross in the center (to be certain of the position) *the latlon is easy to cut and paste front and center *the latlon depends on the position of the map, not the mouse position. -Mikel == Mikel Maron == http://mapkibera.org/ +254 (0) 724899738 mi...@osmfoundation.org ____ From: Mikel Maron To: dev@openstreetmap.org Cc: si...@simonwillison.net Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 10:15:54 AM Subject: [OSM-dev] Haiti need: GetLatLon for OpenStreetMap Ushahidi, and others, are geocoding reports via OpenStreetMap. We want this to be as easy and accurate for them as possible. GetLatLon (http://www.getlatlon.com/) is a nice little site to do this, but uses Google Maps. Would someone be able to clone the site to use OSM, centered on Haiti? Thanks Mikel == Mikel Maron == http://mapkibera.org/ +254 (0) 724899738 mi...@osmfoundation.org ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Haiti need: GetLatLon for OpenStreetMap
Ushahidi, and others, are geocoding reports via OpenStreetMap. We want this to be as easy and accurate for them as possible. GetLatLon (http://www.getlatlon.com/) is a nice little site to do this, but uses Google Maps. Would someone be able to clone the site to use OSM, centered on Haiti? Thanks Mikel == Mikel Maron == http://mapkibera.org/ +254 (0) 724899738 mi...@osmfoundation.org ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] zoom level of cities in Haiti rendering
>From Ushahidi, who are now using OSM in their Haiti instance "If I had only >request it would be more placenames at higher zoom levels on OSM" Possible to tweak the rendering so we get more placenames? == Mikel Maron == http://mapkibera.org/ +254 (0) 724899738 mi...@osmfoundation.org ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] phonetic gazateer, would be cool feature for nominatim
In the Haiti response, someone asked about the Location of "Lilavois". That gets no results on most gazateers, except this one http://dma.jrc.it/services/gazetteer/?q=lilavois&cc=HA The place is actually called Lillavois (two L's). This gazateer searches phonetically. == Mikel Maron == http://mapkibera.org/ +254 (0) 724899738 mi...@osmfoundation.org ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] /cgi-bin/export in svn?
where is http://www.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/export in svn? thanks mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] GPX import daemons, problems
Hi When trying to start the gpx_import daemons, and getting a load of errors in the log .. where to start? http://pastie.org/640454 What can I try here to get this working? Thanks Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] The OpenStreetMap website is now translatable at Translatewiki
From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason > wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar > > wrote: > >> But which OSM components does this cover? I'm assuming this only covers the > >> main OSM website (and the wiki indirectly since MediaWiki is already in > >> TranslateWiki) but not Potlatch, and the other editors. > > > > It's only the website at the moment as Siebrand says. But it would be > > very nice to add other OpenStreetMap applications, the most obvious > > next step being Potlatch. > > It would also be a very interesting project to use Translatewiki to > translate some subsets of the OpenStreetMap data itself. > > For instance country or state names, capitals, or cities with >0.5 > million people, stuff like that. TranslateWiki .. awesome stuff! Agreed some kind of way to translate specific parts of the OSM database would have huge payoff. There's a large open translation community online, we only need to give them familiar tools. I'd reckon that we'd want our own custom tool for this. It would connect to the API, rather than SVN. Maps could be embedded in the tool, to provide geographic context for translators. Also, the Foundation has growing needs for translators for our communications. Wonder if TranslateWiki or something else is a way to get that done. -Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] mkgmap problems
Hi I'm running into problems with mkgmap (v 1067). Building a Garmin map for Burning Man. The OSM file is not so large, about 600k. Yet, the process runs for hours, and then finally gives an OutOfMemoryError $ java -Xmx2048M -jar mkgmap.jar 20090826.camps.osm SEVERE (Main): java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space Any thoughts on what might be wrong? Thanks Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] CloudMade OSM download problems
Great! That works. Another osmosis question .. is there any way to merge two osm files? I now have an osm for Pakistan and California, and I want to load both. However there is a warning about duplicate key constraint violation .. somehow both Pakistan and California share a node. -Mikel From: Brett Henderson To: Mikel Maron Cc: Shaun McDonald ; dev@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:55:06 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] CloudMade OSM download problems Importing into an OSM instance is always problematic due to the foreign key relationships. They're a good idea in the central database, but difficult to satisfy when working offline with extracts and changesets. OPTION 1 If you're just trying to import a one off extract into the database you can use osmosis to fix the referential integrity problems. osmosis --rx myfile.osm.gz --bbox clipIncompleteEntities=true --wx myfixedfile.osm.gz That should modify ways to only refer to nodes that actually exist. No coordinates have been passed to the bbox task so it will select the entire planet (or in this case, the entire input file). Note that modified ways will no longer match the main API ways exactly so they should never be uploaded back to the main database. OPTION 2 If you wish to apply changesets to your database to keep it up to date you'll probably need to drop the problematic foreign key relationships. Brett Mikel Maron wrote: Trying to import into psql for an OSM dev instance. Using >osmosis. > > > > ____ From: >Shaun McDonald >To: Mikel Maron > >Cc: dev@openstreetmap.org >Sent: Thursday, July >30, 2009 4:30:22 PM >Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] >CloudMade OSM download problems > >>What are you trying to import the extracts into? > > > >Shaun > > >On 30 Jul 2009, at 20:47, Mikel Maron wrote: > >Hi >> >>>>Anyone else have issues with the latest .OSM extracts from CloudMade? >> >>>>I've tried importing Pakistan and California locally, and both files >>have references to nodes that aren't present. >> >>>>Fortunately GeoFabrik has a Pakistan extract that works. If anyone can >>help with a California extract, that would be super. >> >>>>-Mikel >> >>___ >>>>dev mailing list >>dev@openstreetmap.org >>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev >> > > >___ >dev mailing list >dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] CloudMade OSM download problems
Trying to import into psql for an OSM dev instance. Using osmosis. From: Shaun McDonald To: Mikel Maron Cc: dev@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] CloudMade OSM download problems What are you trying to import the extracts into? Shaun On 30 Jul 2009, at 20:47, Mikel Maron wrote: Hi > >Anyone else have issues with the latest .OSM extracts from CloudMade? > >I've tried importing Pakistan and California locally, and both files have >references to nodes that aren't present. > >Fortunately GeoFabrik has a Pakistan extract that works. If anyone can help >with a California extract, that would be super. > >-Mikel >___ >dev mailing list >dev@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] CloudMade OSM download problems
Hi Anyone else have issues with the latest .OSM extracts from CloudMade? I've tried importing Pakistan and California locally, and both files have references to nodes that aren't present. Fortunately GeoFabrik has a Pakistan extract that works. If anyone can help with a California extract, that would be super. -Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Fw: [Geowanking] [Fwd: [Ann] LinkedGeoData.org]
>From discussion about linkedgeodata.org/ on geowanking... From: Sean Gillies To: geowank...@geowanking.org > > I'm skeptical about RDF too, but the linked geodata folks are adding some > extra value (at least for a particular group of users): hypertext, so that > you or your software can follow your nose through > linked nodes and ways without having to know an API specific to OSM, and > persistent URIs. I'm not knocking OSM's API, but > > http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/node/264695865 > > isn't meant to be a "cool URI" for the Cafe B'liebig, is it? Requests for the > version 0.5 URIs like http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/node/1 return a > 403, which suggests to me that I shouldn't get too > attached to the 0.6 ones. Of course, URIs like > > http://linkedgeodata.org/triplify/node/264695865 > > have their own issue. Stamping the name of the semantic web framework you > happen to be using today on the URIs you want to make future-proof isn't a > cool thing to do. Sean has a very good point here about the permanence of URIs. Permalinks to OSM objects permits integration of these identifiers into other systems. At the moment, we don't have permalinks, because the API version is included in the URL. Perhaps the API could also support read-only, permalinks for objects, like http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/node/264695865 -Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] problem with changesets and bulk_upload.py
Recently uploaded the Arabic names for all countries. Rather than updating the existing nodes as expected, it created new nodes. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1707270 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1725949 I used bulk_upload.py, processing an osmChange file, with all the nodes wrapped inside a "modify" tag. Does this not work as expected??! How should it be done? Once the proper method is sorted out, I'll delete these duplicate nodes. -Mikel___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Data out of the earth
Moving this to osm-dev From: Nic Roets > > > 2009/7/3 Iván Sánchez Ortega >http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1707270 > >>I have to ask: Mikel, how did you manage to edit points outside the (-180,180) >>longitude range?? > > > "created_by = bulk_upload.py " > > I can not spot a mistake here : > http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/1707270/download > Perhaps the bbox calculation has a bug ? I couldn't say .. the import was most certainly on earth. > Every country now exists twice, so this changeset needs some work. Ok, that was unintentional. Used bulk_upload.py, processing an osmChange file, with all the nodes wrapped inside a "modify" tag. Does this not work as expected??! How should it be done? Once the proper method is sorted out, I'll delete these duplicate nodes. -Mikel___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] josm wmsplugin
I'm having trouble with the wmsplugin for JOSM. When starting JOSM, get this dialog. "Could not load wmsplugin. Delete from preferences?" JOSM is latest, version 1657. wmplugin is just downloaded from http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/dist/wmsplugin.jar Thanks for any help. Mikel___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Revert needed, what to do?
Hi The West Bank crew has had problems with their upload of JumpStart collected data. I want to get a clean slate, and do the process myself this time. I've tried deleting the data in JOSM, but it's not being cooperative. What are the tools to handle reverts? Anyone have any pointers? FYI, these are the changesets that need undoing. All changesets by http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/JumpStart International And these specific changesets from Esperanza36 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1226623 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1225895 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1225682 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1219662 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1219505 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1218243 Thanks Mikel___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] osm2pgsql problems
Hi Running osm2pgsql and running into problems. Trying to load all of planet.osm. From the osm2pgsql log, it appears that after it has finished loading all nodes, the process errors without notice. Looking in the postgresql log, at the time the log ends, there are these messages... 2009-05-29 15:14:34 PDT ERROR: unexpected EOF on client connection 2009-05-29 15:14:34 PDT CONTEXT: COPY planet_osm_line, line 1 2009-05-29 15:14:34 PDT STATEMENT: COPY planet_osm_line (osm_id,"access","addr:flats","addr:housenumber","addr:interpolation","admin_level","aerialway","aeroway","amenity","area","barrier","bicycle","bridge","boundary","building","construction","cutting","disused","embankment","foot","highway","historic","horse","junction","landuse","layer","learning","leisure","lock","man_made","military","motorcar","name","name:en","name:ar","natural","oneway","power","power_source","place","railway","ref","religion","residence","route","service","sport","tourism","tracktype","tunnel","waterway","width","wood","z_order","way_area",way) FROM STDIN 2009-05-29 15:14:34 PDT ERROR: unexpected EOF on client connection ..followed by similar messages for the other tables. Anyone have any advice on how resolve/debug this problem. Thanks Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] changeset history, area size filtering
One simple thing that would make the history tab more useful is filtering by changeset area size. The global sized changesets are usually not going to affect the area under investigation. This doesn't mean those global changesets will be discounted, but it does provide some quick way to manage searches through history. Thoughts? -Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Participation in gsoc 2009
> I am hesistant to collect proposed projects. I'd rather see people propose > their own idea and then follow it through than adopt someone else's! I'll > make it a point, from now on, whenever someone says > "wouldn't it be cool to have ...", to answer: "Why don't you make that idea > into a SoC project for yourself?". As part of the application process for the project, Google wants to see a collection of proposed projects, so we need to collect them somewhere. -Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Participation in gsoc 2009
Marius
All great ideas. I encourage you to start adding ideas to the wiki, and add
your name to interested students list. We do need to archive the current GSoC
wiki page, and start fresh for 2009.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code
Best
Mikel
From: Marius-Quintus Stuebs
To: dev@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:12:03 PM
Subject: [OSM-dev] Participation in gsoc 2009
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Ahoy,
I am Marius, a student of computer sciences in the 9th semester at the
University of Hamburg, Germany.
I'd like to participate in the OpenStreetMap project. In particular I
thought about helping within the google summer of code. I'm highly
motivated to change some usability stuff, that I personally need to use
OpenStreetMap instead of GoogleMaps (which i currently use). There _is_
a big FAIL! in usability, and I want to do something about it.
Examples, what functionality I need:
a. A "What is this"-Function, when I click on an unknown Icon, like a
restaurant, a hospital or a park. Perhaps leading to a homepage or
giving the address.
b. A right click "do something around this point" dialog like "search
hereby", "find post offices nearby", "find a route from here to ..."
c. A better search with respect of regional support
c.i. some grammatical analysis: "post offices {near|in|by|southern_of}
{lunen|here|uk}"
c.ii. with respect of what I searched before (searched for Germany, then
Hamburg => so OSM shows Hamburg,Germany (but lists other options aside))
c.iii. spelling correction: There are no "postoffices" near lunen
c.iv. multi language support
c.v. search should jump to the first/best result, without a first click
c.vi. results like
"City Hamburg [ga:Hamburg] [gd:Hamburg] [vo:Hamburg] [fy:Hamboarch]
[vi:Hamburg] [oc:Amborg] [gl:Hamburgo] [fa:هامبورگ] [af:Hamburg]
[no:Hamburg] [an:Amburgo] [fr:Hambourg] [xh:Hamburg] [dsb:Hamburg]
[nl:Hamburg] [nn:Hamburg] [fi:Hampuri] [pam:Hamburg] [, about 55km
south-west of Lübeck "
are not smart. Lets write
"City Hamburg
[ga,gd,vo,vi,oc,af,xh,dsb,nl,nn,no,pam:Hamburg],[gl:Hamburgo]
[fa:هامبورگ] [fy:Hamboarch] [an:Amburgo] [fr:Hambourg] [fi:Hampuri] [,
about 55km south-west of Lübeck " , that is way shorter and nicer to
read. And imho noone is interested in these details.
c.vii. search word "germany, hamburg" has no correct result. That is poor.
d. I'd like to do a little study, what phrases are searched for the most
and do some optimizing based on these knowledge.
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Another point I care about is optimized caching for faster results and
less computing on the server side.
I don't really know, how the caching works in this project, I have some
ideas. Especially browser based caching might help a lot, I know that
from my own browsing behaviour. Images must not be downloaded new when
looking at the same place a second time...
What do you think of my ideas?
Sunny regards,
Marius
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Re: [OSM-dev] Participation in gsoc 2009
> I'm not sure whether we are going to participate in that. I am not aware > of any plans. That doesn't mean there aren't any though. The community > take-up of last year's SoC results was not as good as we would have > expected, which can perhaps partly be explained by the fact that > participants were not recruited from within the community. At least 2 of the 4 Google Summer of Code students, Arindam and Subhodip were actually already active in OSM, and continue to be. Their contributions, the GPX upload plugin for JOSM and localisations of Rails, haven't been brought into trunk yet, and I'm not sure why .. my impression is that it's been time constraints of the core developers. Anyway, excellent work, or beginnings of work, and I know they're interested to help take it forward. I consider GSoC 2008 a succes, and totally think we should participate again. If anything, it raises awareness of OSM .. just look at the Google's open source donation to OSM funding drive last week. It's not too early now to start collecting on the wiki proposed projects, interested students and mentors. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code Best Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] mod_tile and renderd .. why 404?
Success I missed the AddTileConfig and LoadTileConfig .. duh! Looks like LoadTileConfig can not be place in mod_tile.load, but only in the site definition? Thanks for your patience Jon! -Mikel From: Jon Burgess To: Mikel Maron Cc: Chris Jones ; dev@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:26:07 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] mod_tile and renderd .. why 404? On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 12:23 -0800, Mikel Maron wrote: > > > > Check the readme.txt > > > > The mod_tile code was updated a couple of weeks ago to add support > for > > multiple layers. It now requires a config file to tell it what > layers > > and URIs to map. The default tile storage location also moved > > to /var/lib/mod_tile/layer_name/... > > Yup, have this code. renderd.conf is in > place. /var/lib/mod_tile/Default/ exists... How about the Apache config. I have a file which contains: LoadModule tile_module modules/mod_tile.so AddTileConfig /osm_tiles2/ Default LoadTileConfig /etc/renderd.conf The other obvious question is whether you've done: make clean, make all, sudo make install, /etc/init.d/apache restart If that all looks good, try emailing me the apache config & renderd.conf Jon___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] mod_tile and renderd .. why 404?
> Check the readme.txt > > The mod_tile code was updated a couple of weeks ago to add support for > multiple layers. It now requires a config file to tell it what layers > and URIs to map. The default tile storage location also moved > to /var/lib/mod_tile/layer_name/... Yup, have this code. renderd.conf is in place. /var/lib/mod_tile/Default/ exists... -Mikel___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] mod_tile and renderd .. why 404?
> Look at your apache error log, it will more than likely tell you. File does not exist: /var/www/osm_tiles2/0 It seems like whatever hook mod_tile is using to grab these requests isn't catching...___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] mod_tile and renderd .. why 404?
Hi all Trying to get a long suffering mapnik/mod_tile install up and running. Have the latest from SVN. Everything builds and installs without error. renderd and apache+mod_tile start up fine. But when I request a tile, getting a 404. Before I start digging around, does anyone have advice on what might possibly be missing? Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] usfs data on osm
Simone Cortesi wrote > On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > > I'd be more than happy to help with the shapefile to osm conversion. > > I've got a fairly universal conversion app written in java. > > > > Let me know when you're ready to convert. > > how do you handle the remapping of the dbf file which is part of SHP > to the relevant key/value in the osm file? is your java app available > somewhere? > > I'm dealing with the conversion of these data: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CRTN_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia Consider the ever increasing number of imports (hooray! leverage!), we should start paving the cowpaths. There's bits and pieces of documentation on shapefile import on the wiki, and some bits of code, but it seems like every import has to start from scratch, reinvent wheels. Schuyler and I had sketched out a design for a standard toolbox, based on osmlib, trying to find the notes on that But the basic idea was to devise a mapping between properties in the dbf and OSM tags, seemed relatively straightforward, though no code was written! The trickier part seemed to be mapping between the geographic data model in the Shapefile and OSM's topological model. If a complete road (or hiking trail) is represented by a single row, need to find the intersections. Sometimes each length between two intersections is a single row, and they need to be combined into a single way. There's probably loads of other ways to represent a network in a shapefile. Sometimes this could be detected automatically, sometimes it would need hints from a human examining the shapefile. In any case, the results need to be picked over in JOSM and manually fixed up anyway. Anything towards documentation, surveying of the shapefile import landscape, etc, actual code, experience sharing, seems like a good idea. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import has lots of info, guidelines, experiences on imports generally. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Shapefile is description of a single process. I'd suggest moving this script to another page, and using Import/Shapfile to document general issues and catalog approaches. Mikel ps Stoked to see the national park maps making it into OSM!___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Machine-readable list of map features?
+1 on this thread .. good to see specific, easy, concrete steps (define a file format!), which don't try to change anything fundamental in the culture of OSM tagging, but rather enhance the toolset around it. From: Karl Guggisberg To: sylvain letuffe ; dev@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:16:16 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Machine-readable list of map features? > Definetly agreed, how do we start ? I'd suggest to - create a wiki page - identify the use cases for this list and document on the wiki, i.e. * list can be used for immediate user feedback in online editors (potlatch, josm, etc.) * list can be used in validation tools * list shall *NOT* be used to enforce the usage of a predefined set of tags * others? - create a proposal for the "data model" to be provided by this lists, discuss it and agree to it - create a proposal for the machine readable "encoding" (xml, structured ascii, whatever), discuss it and agree to it - create a proposal for the data flow, discuss it and agree to it - where is the data maintained? On the wiki? somewhere else? In other words: where is the master - which tool/tools generate "the list"? - where is "the list" deployed to and how can we retrieve it from there? Karl -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Im Auftrag von sylvain letuffe Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Dezember 2008 16:58 An: dev@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [OSM-dev] Machine-readable list of map features? > We should try to find one place to > store the generated information. This file or database should contain > all information needed by the different applications. > If we generate a file, maybe on daily basis, that contains the needed > information, there is no need for everyone to parse the wiki on his own. Definetly agreed, how do we start ? -- Sylvain Letuffe li...@letuffe.org qui suis-je : http://slyserv.dyndns.org ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] FW: Maps on birminghamitsnotshit.co.uk
It would be trivial to add OSM support to GeoPress, since we're using mapstraction (not sure why it's not already an option) http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/geopress/ Get in touch and I can fix it up From: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: dev@openstreetmap.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:29:06 AM Subject: [OSM-dev] FW: Maps on birminghamitsnotshit.co.uk See below. Has anyone worked on an OSM wordpress plugin at all? Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Bounds Sent: 30 October 2008 10:10 AM To: Andy Robinson (OSMF) Subject: Re: Maps on birminghamitsnotshit.co.uk Hi Andy, Thanks for the comment - I'm just doing a blog post over on the 11-11-11 elevenbus.co.uk site asking if anyone fanicies doing a bit of cartography. I don't use Google maps out of any choice really - I use a geotagging Wordpress plugin that outputs onto a Google Map as standard - I shall have a look at the OSM stuff. If someone was to build a good OSM WordPress map/geotagging posts plugin a lot of people would leap on it - the offerrings out there for mapping are pretty rubbish. cheers jon ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap directly in Mapserver; it has been fulfilled
> I have created a patch for OGR that allows direct usage of the > OpenStreetMap data (with normalised tables) inside Mapserver. You wrote an OGR adaptor for OSM data format? Bravo! Any word on whether this will make it into OGR proper? Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] westbank mapnik rendering, icons not showing. help?
Did have Thumbs.db. Deleted and svn up. No change in the rendering :( - Original Message From: Brian Quinion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mikel Maron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: dev@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:55:32 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] westbank mapnik rendering, icons not showing. help? Mikel, Just a guess but see if you have a Thumbs.db in svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik/symbols If you do try deleting it and doing another svn update and see if you get any extra updates I've just hit this - svn bailed due to a conflict and I didn't notice. -- Brian On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Mikel Maron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I reinstalled mapnik and mod_tile yesterday on > http://westbank.maps.jsintl.org/ > Looks great! but this particular install has a problem .. POI symbols are not > showing up at all. > > Has anyone encountered a similar problem? Solution? > Or, any ideas on how to go about debugging? > > Thanks > Mikel > > > ___ > dev mailing list > dev@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] westbank mapnik rendering, icons not showing. help?
I reinstalled mapnik and mod_tile yesterday on http://westbank.maps.jsintl.org/ Looks great! but this particular install has a problem .. POI symbols are not showing up at all. Has anyone encountered a similar problem? Solution? Or, any ideas on how to go about debugging? Thanks Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Spatial vs. multi-column indexes for points
> My current optimization includes: > > - using mediumint for lat/lon - enough for ~2 meters resolution > - using a bounding box first for point+radius calculation and then selecting > the circle with a Pythagoras approximation, which is exact enough > > For the first, I want to use MySQL. > > If you are interested in some benchmark data, I can post ... As an aside, there is currently a lack of good benchmarks on the different optimizations & hacks for spatial querying, in different circumstances, so anything contributing towards guidelines for developers would be most helpful ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] renderd problem
Nevermind .. recompiling and reinstalling did the trick... - Original Message From: Mikel Maron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: dev@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:21:26 AM Subject: [OSM-dev] renderd problem Hi I have mapnik & mod_tile running now on the burning man server When renderd starts, it gives about two dozen "got exception ..." messages, but then seems to run fine. renderd receives the tile request and produces a meta file but 404 is returned to the browser. and a reload has the same affect .. a new meta file produced, and 404 returned. Any thoughts on what the problem could be? Thanks Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] renderd problem
Hi I have mapnik & mod_tile running now on the burning man server When renderd starts, it gives about two dozen "got exception ..." messages, but then seems to run fine. renderd receives the tile request and produces a meta file but 404 is returned to the browser. and a reload has the same affect .. a new meta file produced, and 404 returned. Any thoughts on what the problem could be? Thanks Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] arabic ligatures in mapnik
Hi We've noticed some issues with Arabic text rendering in Mapnik. http://westbank.maps.jsintl.org/?lat=31.70841&lon=35.20192&zoom=17&layers=B Street names in Arabic rendered along a path end up being drawn without ligatures, which to a native speakers looks like an A C R O N Y M. I'm not sure if mapnik on OSM.org is doing the same (can't find any streets as tortuously bendy as the ones in Bethlehem), or if there's a particular issue with the fonts on our server. Thanks for any help Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Mosques and other features of the Muslim world
Right, this has nothing to do with religion or secularism or politics. I'm going to go out on a limb, and not carefully, suggest that you are politicizing something which is simply about cartography. The fact is that in this place, defined by a certain politcal boundary, the symbol for a medical facility is different than what's currently on the map. If this discussion is going any where else besides discussing that interesting technical, cartographic question, then I'm not interested in continuing it. I think it's totally valid to say that OSM default map has a global symbology for hospitals and whatever other symbols. I also think it's valid to explore whether another approach is feasible/desirable. Mikel - Original Message From: Stefan de Konink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mikel Maron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: dev@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 5:25:35 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] Mosques and other features of the Muslim world Mikel Maron schreef: > This would mean making POI > aware of which political area they are within. This has *nothing* to do with politics. Please choose your words carefully. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism Stefan ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Mosques and other features of the Muslim world
From: Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > What is the best way to install new configuration file, along with all the > > needed symbols? > > Run the script in the directory in svn, having first filled in the > correct paths for your setup. Thanks. Still getting the hang of this. > > Also, there are other improvements needed for the Muslim world. For > > instance, the symbols for hospitals here are a crescent and a cross, not > > just a cross. Guess it will require an additional tag to specify a muslim > > hospital. If anyone has time to help work on new symbols for our work here > > in the West Bank, the contribution would be very welcome. > > Is that really a question of the religion of the hospital? or of the > person that makes the map? Would a map in a Muslin country have some > hosptials marked in one way and some in another? or is it that a map > produced in a Christain country uses one symbol and map produced in > a Muslin country a different symbol? > > In other words is tagging the hospital the right solution or is it > just that you need to use a different stylesheet when rendering the > map in a Muslim country regardless of the location of the hospital? Right, it's question of geography. If you are here in Bethlehem, you will see ambulances and hospitals with a crescent+star symbol. We'll probably just adjust the stylesheet on this server. But for the main map, it's an open question. And not as crucial as correct representation of place_of_worship. Do we want to support localisation of some symbols? In this case, it's pretty clear what a crescent+star means. This would mean making POI aware of which political area they are within. Fully localised tiles sets on the main server is also something we should look at, but a much larger issue. -Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Mosques and other features of the Muslim world
http://westbank.freemap.in/?lat=31.704236&lon=35.205912&zoom=18&layers=B Thanks much to Steve Chilton for adding symbology for mosques to mapnik. The mappers here are very pleased! Did find some problems with the osm.xml checked into SVN. It's referencing files in different locations, and has a number of other configuration options that aren't generic. Also, discovered that renderd will crash if any of the referenced symbols in osm.xml aren't present in the local filesystem. What is the best way to install new configuration file, along with all the needed symbols? Also, there are other improvements needed for the Muslim world. For instance, the symbols for hospitals here are a crescent and a cross, not just a cross. Guess it will require an additional tag to specify a muslim hospital. If anyone has time to help work on new symbols for our work here in the West Bank, the contribution would be very welcome. -Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] mapnik projection problems?
>> >> However, now there's no map data being displayed at all! > >If you are running the import as a different user to the renderer then >you may need to grant select access on the planet_osm_* tables to the >user doing the rendering (or 'public'). The current code does this >automatically, the version you are using might not. > >You also need to make sure you restart the render daemon after >reloading the data. restarting renderd after import did the trick thanks Jon!___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] mapnik projection problems?
From: Jon Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Seeing an issue with mapnik rendering of our map in Bethlehem. Bethlehem is >> located at about 31.717, 35.2. >> >> http://westbank.freemap.in/?lat=31.717&lon=35.2&zoom=11&layers=B >> >> However Bethlehem is showing up at a lower latitude in the mapnik rendering. >> >> http://westbank.freemap.in/?lat=31.523&lon=35.179&zoom=11&layers=B >> >> Our data is definitely in the correct spot, it's the rendering that's off. I >> suppose this is a projection misconfiguration in mapnik or mod_tile. >> Does anyone have any hints on what specifically I should look at? > >Which version of osm2pgsql do you use? >The common problem with older versions is forgetting to supply the >'-m' option while importing the data. This option is enabled by >default in later versions. Yes, it's an older version, and '-m' wasn't being used. However, now there's no map data being displayed at all! ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] mapnik projection problems?
Hi Seeing an issue with mapnik rendering of our map in Bethlehem. Bethlehem is located at about 31.717, 35.2. http://westbank.freemap.in/?lat=31.717&lon=35.2&zoom=11&layers=B However Bethlehem is showing up at a lower latitude in the mapnik rendering. http://westbank.freemap.in/?lat=31.523&lon=35.179&zoom=11&layers=B Our data is definitely in the correct spot, it's the rendering that's off. I suppose this is a projection misconfiguration in mapnik or mod_tile. Does anyone have any hints on what specifically I should look at? Thanks Mikel___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] islands and coastlines misaligned
any reason why the coastlines and not aligned with the island land areas in the Great Lakes? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.989&lon=-90.777&zoom=11&layers=B00FTF -Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [Geowanking] DWG and DWF CAD files .. any opensource readers/converters
Thanks for the advice everyone. With a DXF in hand, I broke down and installed lx-Viewer on a windows drive. That was able to export to PNG, which I uploaded to the MapWarper and warped with GCP against Landsat. I used the WMS generated from that in JOSM, and I know have a georeferenced image for tracing into OpenStreetMap. http://wrp.geothings.net/mapscans/warped/90 I tried OpenJump with the DXF plugin, but encountered a bug .. in the file or the plugin I don't know. java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Number of points must be 0 or >3 Also with CAD2Shape, another windows tool, was able to get some Shapefiles exported. A lot of places in the world use CAD for making maps. I'm not sure these are always georeferenced at all. Converting this into something usable for OpenStreetMap isn't straightforward, but something myself and a couple others are looking at. -Mikel - Original Message From: Landon Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 8, 2008 6:28:24 PM Subject: Re: [Geowanking] DWG and DWF CAD files .. any opensource readers/converters OpenJUMP currently has a plug-in that will read DXF files, if that will do the trick. SLB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jody Garnett Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Geowanking] DWG and DWF CAD files .. any opensource readers/converters There was one support for that in Jump; a user ported to code to uDig (but since it was GPL we did not end up distrubuting it). I would ask the OpenJump project to see if they know what happened to it... Jody > Hi > > I'm working with CAD files from the city of al Mafrak, Jordan. We're > looking at bringing their existing municipal data into OpenStreetMap. > > Found Lx-Viewer [http://lx-viewer.sourceforge.net/] which looks like > just the thing. Only sticking point is that compiling Lx-Viewer > requires libraries from the "Open"DWG alliance > [http://www.opendwg.org/]. Access to those libraries requires a $250 > membership fee. > > Any other options or suggestions for an NGO working in a small city in > Jordan? > > Thanks > Mikel > > > ___ > Geowanking mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.burri.to/mailman/listinfo/geowanking ___ Geowanking mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.burri.to/mailman/listinfo/geowanking Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Geowanking mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.burri.to/mailman/listinfo/geowanking ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] osm2pgsql w no password prompt
Good point -- I've updated where appropriate - Original Message From: John McKerrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Openstreetmap Dev list Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 12:43:16 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] osm2pgsql w no password prompt You adding the answers to a wiki page anywhere? On 6 Aug 2008, at 19:46, Mikel Maron wrote: Hi How is osm2pgsql run automatically for tile? It asks for a password prompt to connect to pgsql... I can just go ahead an hack my local copy, but wondering if there's another solution. Mikel ps thanks for all the help the past couple days ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] osm2pgsql w no password prompt
Hi How is osm2pgsql run automatically for tile? It asks for a password prompt to connect to pgsql... I can just go ahead an hack my local copy, but wondering if there's another solution. Mikel ps thanks for all the help the past couple days ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] how to change the delimiter in rails asset urls?
I've just removed that bit from my local server, and now it works. How are these urls being resolved then? - Original Message From: Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: dev@openstreetmap.org Cc: Mikel Maron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:47:26 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] how to change the delimiter in rails asset urls? In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mikel Maron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone have an idea why the rails app appends "/" + timestamp, rather > than "?" + timestamp, on asset urls? As Jon said, it's a hack in our code. The reason is that using ?, which is the rails default, tends to make the page non-cacheable and the whole point of the asset tag is to make it cacheable until the resource changes and then force a refresh. Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] how to change the delimiter in rails asset urls?
Hi Does anyone have an idea why the rails app appends "/" + timestamp, rather than "?" + timestamp, on asset urls? <%= javascript_include_tag 'prototype' %> results in but I want it to be (as normally) Hints how I can change the delimiter? Thanks Mikel___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] renderd segfaulting
> > I've set up mod_tile and renderd. Compiled against mapnik 0.5.1. > > > > renderd works for a bit, but then segfaults. It seems to be a problem with > > fielding a burst concurrent requrests, but not certain. > > > > Any suggestions on problems to look for? > > What compile options did you use for compiling Mapnik? If you set > THREADING=single then that could be the problem. It might be worth > switching renderd to be single threaded by editing render_config.h to > NUM_THREADS to 1 and recompile. I didn't compile Mapnik with any THREADING option .. assume it defaults to multi? Changing NUM_THREADS to 1 and recompiling does prevent segfaults. Doesn't explain the problem though, and I'd like to get multiple threads working, if possible. > The code operates fine in multi-threaded mode on the main OSM server > which uses the latest SVN mapnik code. > > If you still run into problems then it would be good to recompile > renderd with debug info by adding -g to the CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS and get a > backtrace from gdb. Running renderd in gdb, it segfaults in "fribidi_remove_bidi_marks" Thanks -Mikel___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] renderd segfaulting
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[OSM-dev] Volunteers needed now. OSM for Myanmar disaster relief.
Are you familiar with setting up Mapnik and TileCache, and other components of the OSM stack? Do you want to volunteer time to help support disaster relief in Myanmar? We're urgently looking for one or two developers with time, right now, to help set up OSM infrastructure in Myanmar. Due to network constraints, to start they require tile rendering locally. They'll be collecting data for OSM too, to provide very up to date maps of impacted areas. OSM will be integrated with Sahana [http://www.sahana.lk/]. This system could very well be crucial in the relief and recovery efforts, and a great benefit to the people of Myanmar. Brett Henderson has been working hard setting things up [http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2008-June/027067.html]. But we can definitely use more help here. If you are interested to volunteer your technical skills, get in touch with me asap. Best Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch
From: Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In part it's an entirely selfish attitude in as much as that Adobe > show no signs of wanting to support flash on 64 bit linux which means > that I am left having to rely on the free players or struggling to > use the 32 bit flash plugin via a kludgy wrapper that barely works > at the best of times. Adobe has dropped the licensing restrictions on building competing flash players, and will be publishing the spec. http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2008/04/adobe-drops-lic.html So no open source solution yet for Flash 9, but there's no legal impediments any longer. -Mikel___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Google Summer of Code
> > For any work on the main web site, just create a branch in the > > rails_port_branches directory - there are several there already. > > This should work well. And it's always better not to work on the main > trunk initially. > But Mikel, in this case, its' best that i leave it to you to decide > whichever will be best for the project. Obviously, ultimately > everything will go into action from the main repository :) works for me -mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Google Summer of Code
> (a) Wi.l there be a publicly available repository for the code? Any ideas on this? At the least students and mentors want to share code, maybe others .. but we don't want to hit the main trunk in the initial stages, and branching probably unnecessarily complicated. -Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Google Summer of Code
> That's essentially the same as the shaping issue with Arabic isn't > it? Which as Jon says, was solved in mapnik by using the icu library > which is supposed to know about these things. Thanks for icu reference > > For the web site, yes I think we can rely on the browser for this, with > > testing of course. For other pieces of the ecosystem, it will need more > > inquiry, if there's time this summer. I am aware that IndicTrans has been > > working on an open source solution, but not sure how much work it will be > > to integrate. > > Translating the web site is a major problem in and off itself. That's > nothing to do with what languages are supported, it's all to do with > the infrastructure and how you separate translatable elements from code > cleanly. I was only referring to the rendering of characters in the browser, not to the main task to i18n and l10n the rails_port. I'm pretty familiar with the scale of the task, having helped build the infrastructure at yahoo .. not that we couldn't use all the help we can get with advice and suggestions. Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Google Summer of Code
> From: Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Arindam Ghosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Gora Mohanty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I work on internationalisation, and localisation issues, especially > > > as these pertain to Indian languages, and would be glad to help out > > > on this project. I hope that there is no need for me to become an > > > official mentor, as I cannot always guarantee having time available > > > when needed. > > > > That's great...:) Can you please provide some pointers regarding > > implementation of lingatures and vowel positioning of Indic scripts. I > > would like to study how much of these would be required pertaining to > > project. > > I wouldn't have thought you should have to worry about that much > really - if you've got valid UTF and you use an appropriate text > rendering library then that sort of stuff should sort itself out. Rendering Indic characters into glyphs is not so straight forward -- the fonts require a lookup table or state machine to account for all the variations in character combination. For the web site, yes I think we can rely on the browser for this, with testing of course. For other pieces of the ecosystem, it will need more inquiry, if there's time this summer. I am aware that IndicTrans has been working on an open source solution, but not sure how much work it will be to integrate. Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] New Export Tab
From: Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I'd like to see GPS export. Anyone want to work together on a mkgmap > > service? Or does one exist already? > > I don't understand what you mean? What is GPS export? I want to put a map on my Garmin GPS. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mkgmap > Thinking about it more, if you allow requests that are so slow they > have to be queued then you things get vastly more complicated because > you have to start worrying about how to manage the queue and ensure > you don't accept more requests than you can actually process. This wouldn't need to be something OSM export itself would need to worry about, but the third party service. However if export to Garmin could run on the OSM servers, that would be easiest. Afaik, it's not terribly computationally intensive. -Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] New Export Tab
Export is a very significant feature development, going to change the nature of OSM significantly, for the better. Raddd! I'd like to see GPS export. Anyone want to work together on a mkgmap service? Or does one exist already? Tom, does the Export interface allow for offline processing of requests? It might become easier to simply add long running requests to a queue. At the least, some email address or user id would need to be passed through, for notification of a completed job. -Mikel - Original Message From: Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: dev@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:31:39 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] New Export Tab In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> - Is it possible to import the XML-file into Illustrator? > > Related question: > > Would it be possible/easy to export a shapefile, or GML, or KML, or any > other professional-looking format? Well, ignoring for the time being that little dig about what might or might constitute "professional looking", the problem (as I understand it) is that none of those formats is, in and off them themself, enough for an export format. What I mean is that you can't just say "export to a shapefile" on it's own - you have to define some sort of style that controls what attributes you put on objects on the shapefile (or KML or GML file) and how those are derived from the OSM data. I do have some plans for additional formats, but none of those are high on my list. If on the other hand somebody wants to provide a web service that returns such data for a given bounding box, then it is relatively easy to add them to the UI. Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] India and China - AND meeting
- Original Message From: Gora Mohanty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The parts of the AND data for India that we have had a chance to look at, > mostly in and around Delhi, were badly incorrect with respect to both > GPS tracks, and Yahoo maps. So much so, that most of the Delhi street data, > and some locations have been deleted, and remade from scratch. > > Nay idea if that is a problem with the data themselves, or something that > went wrong in the import? The original source for that data is very imprecise. Still better than nothing -- slightly more enticing to have inaccurate data than no data. Best Mikel ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev
