Re: Proposing a meetup organizing committee

For anyone interested in this topic, here is the clarification from the trademarks team about "Apache Pulsar Community". --- The home of the Apache Pulsar Community is the ASF. The ASF, including the ALv2, the registration of trademarks and the ASF's policies around the use of marks, has been

Re: Proposing a meetup organizing committee

Thank you to everyone who has responded and has given us feedback and advice! Joe, thank you for your response, I agree with about 98% of what you posted. However, this email chain has gotten too long and confusing to follow. Thus, I’m going to “close” this email chain and start with a new,

Re: Proposing a meetup organizing committee

Since it seems to be such a distraction, I changed the name of the parent group to Apache Pulsar Friends. Thanks, Aaron On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 6:39 PM Sijie Guo wrote: > Partick, > > I am not a legal expert to answer the trademark question. I will consult > the trademarks team for this. > >

Re: Proposing a meetup organizing committee

The conversation here seems incoherent because of a few factors. One is by the use of "community'' and "project" interchangeably, as required to support this proposal - community in one context to support holding meetups/conferences and at the same time asking the PMC to manage this effort

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BCC: private@ The bulk of this discussion should proceed with good intent on dev@ with a separate thread on private@ only if needed. I have prepared a set of links to documentation about the Apache Way that is worth reviewing: https://petri.apache.org/way

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*I think the Apache project should avoid vendor-specific branding, in that way users will have a clear understanding about what they can receive from the free Apache project. In support of that, the Apache project should be driven by the community/PMC who are the real contributors to the project

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Partick, I am not a legal expert to answer the trademark question. I will consult the trademarks team for this. However, it is the PMC's responsibility to oversee the usage of "Apache Pulsar" that follows the ASF policy. - Sijie On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 5:23 PM Patrick McFadin wrote: >

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*regarding "sub-committee"* Let's be super clear here. This is not about the creation of a sub-committee (or working group, whatever name to use here), which the PMC may or may not do as it chooses. I can't speak for the entire PMC. The major issue is if there is such a sub-committee, who is on

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"Apache Pulsar Community" is not the PMC and that is 100% not the "Apache Way™" If it said "Apache Pulsar Project" then I think that would be a mischaracterization. I've helped run over 500 Apache-related meetups over the past 10 years and myself and other organizers have always been careful to

Re: Proposing a meetup organizing committee

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 4:26 PM Aaron Williams wrote: > Meetups and the Umbrella Group- > Having an Umbrella Group also prevents or at least makes it tougher for the > “wild west” of meetup organizations to happen. For Apache Hadoop, both > Cloudera and Hortonworks sponsored competing meetups

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On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 5:35 AM Jonathan Ellis wrote: > > Moving back to dev. > > Since it seems like there's some confusion on this point, it's perfectly > normal for PMC discussions around new proposals with decision-making > authority by the PMC to take place on the public dev list. The

Re: Proposing a meetup organizing committee

Hello all, I think that there is some confusion on a couple of terms. Vendor Neutrality- What we said caused a lot of confusion, what we meant to say in the Marketing/Communications working group proposal is that we wanted a diversity of members, rather than all volunteers to be from the same

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This meetup was the oldest, started by founders of the Apache Pulsar.It has 338 members. And recent event in May 2021. https://www.meetup.com/SF-Bay-Area-Apache-Pulsar-Meetup/ Thank you./Sree On Thursday, August 19, 2021, 05:35:43 AM PDT, Jonathan Ellis wrote: Moving back to dev.

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Sorry for the typo: "isn't violating the ASF policy" -> "is violating the ASF policy" On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:46 PM Sijie Guo wrote: > Moving dev@ to BCC. I believe the following two major issues should be > discussed and addressed in the original email thread with PMC. > > 1) Creating

Re: Proposing a meetup organizing committee

Moving dev@ to BCC. I believe the following two major issues should be discussed and addressed in the original email thread with PMC. 1) Creating sub-committees composed of vendor representatives isn't violating the ASF policy. This PMC has expressed concerns when the original proposal was

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Hi Matteo, I'm sorry if my last message suggested that volunteering to take on an effort gives anyone the right to start acting on behalf of the PMC. That certainly wasn't my intent. The original message in this thread proposed a way to help people who want to organize meetups do so more

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> I think it's entirely understandable for the PMC to say "we don't want to > be responsible for this", but it would be highly unfortunate for the PMC to > say "we don't want to be responsible for this AND no one from the community > is allowed to do this either", especially when there are people

Re: Proposing a meetup organizing committee

Hi everyone, long time reader, first time poster. :-) Here are my two cents: I would like to see the PMC encourage anyone and everyone who is willing to volunteer their time and effort to do things that will help the community grow (as long as it adheres to Apache policies of course). There are a

Re: Proposing a meetup organizing committee

On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 3:15 PM Jonathan Ellis wrote: > > Hi Matteo, > > You will remember that I brought up the subcommittee idea in private > yesterday, and followed up today [before the email you sent and quoted > here] with an intention to start this public thread. There have been several

Re: Proposing a meetup organizing committee

I don't think we should create any sub-committees to bypass the PMC. The sub-committee topic or proposal should be properly discussed and approved by the PMC. In regards to meetups, I don't think we should put every Pulsar meetup under one umbrella group even this group is managed by PMC. Pulsar

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Hi Matteo, You will remember that I brought up the subcommittee idea in private yesterday, and followed up today [before the email you sent and quoted here] with an intention to start this public thread. Meanwhile, Aaron has not been hiding the groundwork he is laying for meetups, including

Re: Proposing a meetup organizing committee

Hello all, On the Meet-ups, we already have ones that have just started up in Northern California, Southern California, and the Netherlands (run by 3 different people) and I know of at least one more. Are there others? The only good thing about this Covid world is that the events that are

Re: Proposing a meetup organizing committee

Since this proposal comes as a reaction to a discussion that was already happening on the private@ PMC mailing list, I want to add the context. This was my original comment, where I was pointing out the inappropriateness of the Meetup group namings. On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:34 PM Matteo Merli

Proposing a meetup organizing committee

Hi all, Meetups are an important part of community building and knowledge sharing for open source projects like Apache Pulsar. At the same time, the work of recruiting speakers and organizing sponsors [1] is both time consuming and not core to project governance. I propose that the PMC