RE: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-05-09 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
2017 12:09 PM To: r...@sleevi.com Cc: mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org; Gervase Markham Subject: RE: CA Validation quality is failing Okay – we’ll add them all to CT over the next couple of days. From: Ryan Sleevi [mailto:r...@sleevi.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:08

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-05-02 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
On 02/05/2017 17:30, Rob Stradling wrote: On 02/05/17 16:11, Alex Gaynor via dev-security-policy wrote: I know several CAs are using certlint (https://github.com/awslabs/certlint) as a pre-issuance check that the cert they're about to issue doesn't have any programmatically detectable deficienci

RE: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-05-02 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Okay – we’ll add them all to CT over the next couple of days. From: Ryan Sleevi [mailto:r...@sleevi.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:08 AM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: r...@sleevi.com; Gervase Markham ; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: CA Validation quality is failing

RE: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-05-02 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Thanks! The revocation timeline changes are coming today/tomorrow morning. -Original Message- From: Gervase Markham [mailto:g...@mozilla.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 4:55 AM To: r...@sleevi.com; Jeremy Rowley ; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: CA Validation

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-05-02 Thread Rob Stradling via dev-security-policy
certificates 257 entities are affected if we revoke the 1033 certs 82 entities are affected if we revoke just the 150 certs What else would you like to know? Jeremy *From:* Ryan Sleevi [mailto:r...@sleevi.com] *Sent:* Monday, May 1, 2017 5:01 PM *To:* Jeremy Rowley *Cc:* Gervase Markham

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-05-02 Thread Alex Gaynor via dev-security-policy
t; > > > > > > > What else would you like to know? > > > > > > > > Jeremy > > > > > > > > *From:* Ryan Sleevi [mailto:r...@sleevi.com] > > *Sent:* Monday, May 1, 2017 5:01 PM > > *To:* Jeremy Rowley > > *Cc:* Ger

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-05-02 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
evi.com] > *Sent:* Monday, May 1, 2017 5:01 PM > *To:* Jeremy Rowley > *Cc:* Gervase Markham ; mozilla-dev-security-policy@ > lists.mozilla.org > *Subject:* Re: CA Validation quality is failing > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Jeremy Rowley via d

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-05-02 Thread Gervase Markham via dev-security-policy
On 02/05/17 00:01, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > Thank you for > 1) Disclosing the details to a sufficient level of detail immediately > 2) Providing regular updates and continued investigation > 3) Confirming the acceptability of the plan before implementing it, and > with sufficient detail to understand t

RE: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-05-01 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Validation quality is failing On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy mailto:dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> > wrote: There isn't anything in our CPS directly. However, we state that we follow the baseline requirements in the CPS. T

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-05-01 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > There isn't anything in our CPS directly. However, we state that we follow > the baseline requirements in the CPS. The baseline requirements give a > profile for the state field.

RE: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-05-01 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
ny thoughts? Jeremy -Original Message- From: Gervase Markham [mailto:g...@mozilla.org] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 2:41 AM To: Jeremy Rowley ; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: CA Validation quality is failing On 27/04/17 00:16, Jeremy Rowley wrot

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-27 Thread Gervase Markham via dev-security-policy
On 27/04/17 00:16, Jeremy Rowley wrote: > We also started the revocation process for the 500 certificates > containing meta-data. However, we wanted to ask about the 1000 > certificates containing data indicating the field was not applicable. > We recognize these were not properly issued, but I am

RE: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-26 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
ess next week with additional ideas. Please let me know if you have any questions. Jeremy -Original Message- From: Jeremy Rowley Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 7:49 PM To: Jeremy Rowley ; r...@sleevi.com; Mike vd Ent Cc: Ben Wilson ; mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: RE: CA Validat

RE: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-20 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
know if you have any questions. Jeremy -Original Message- From: Jeremy Rowley Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 7:49 PM To: Jeremy Rowley ; r...@sleevi.com; Mike vd Ent Cc: Ben Wilson ; mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: RE: CA Validation quality is failing FYI - still looking into this

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-20 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 6:42 AM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > One thing: > > Could this be a result of the common (among CAs) bug of requiring entry > of a US/Canada State/Province regardless of country, forcing applicants > to fill in rando

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-20 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
-security-policy Subject: RE: CA Validation quality is failing I’m looking into it right now. I’ll report back shortly. Jeremy From: Ryan Sleevi [mailto:r...@sleevi.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 2:25 PM To: Mike vd Ent Cc: mozilla-dev-security-policy ; Jeremy Rowley ; Ben Wilson

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Peter Gutmann via dev-security-policy
Ryan Sleevi writes: >For an EV cert, you look in  >https://cabforum.org/wp-content/uploads/EV-V1_6_1.pdf It was meant as a rhetorical question, the OP asked whether doing XYZ in an EV certificate was allowed and I was pointing out that the CAB Forum guidelines should provide the answer.

RE: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
: r...@sleevi.com; Mike vd Ent Cc: Ben Wilson ; mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: RE: CA Validation quality is failing I’m looking into it right now. I’ll report back shortly. Jeremy From: Ryan Sleevi [mailto:r...@sleevi.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 2:25 PM To: Mike vd Ent Cc

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 09:00:22PM -0400, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > > > (It was a code sign certificate, but I expect if it's labeled EV > > that the same things apply.) > > > > No

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:58:28PM +, Jeremy Rowley wrote: > That was changed in ballot 127. Which is adopted in july 2014. This was somewhere in 2016. As I understood it, they didn't ask for the HR department, just someone else. That might of course be a misunderstanding of what was asked, w

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > (It was a code sign certificate, but I expect if it's labeled EV > that the same things apply.) > Not necessarily. A separate set of guidelines cover those - https://cabforum.or

RE: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: CA Validation quality is failing On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:41:33PM +, Peter Gutmann via dev-security-policy wrote: > Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy writes: > > >Both the localityName and stateOrProvinceName are Almer

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:41:33PM +, Peter Gutmann via dev-security-policy wrote: > Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy > writes: > > >Both the localityName and stateOrProvinceName are Almere, while the province > >is Flevoland. > > How much checking is a CA expected to do here? I know

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Vincent Lynch via dev-security-policy
Hi Peter, EV requirements are actually dictated by a separate set of guidelines: https://cabforum.org/extended-validation/ They do go into detail about how to verify applicant information. It covers how you verify the company is legally established, where its physically operating, etc. As you can

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Peter Gutmann via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy > writes: > > >Both the localityName and stateOrProvinceName are Almere, while the > province > >is Flevoland. > > How much checking is a CA

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Peter Gutmann via dev-security-policy
Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy writes: >Both the localityName and stateOrProvinceName are Almere, while the province >is Flevoland. How much checking is a CA expected to do here? I know that OV and DV certs are just "someone at this site responded to email" or whatever, but for an EV c

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Mike vd Ent via dev-security-policy
y > ; Jeremy Rowley > ; Ben Wilson > Subject: Re: CA Validation quality is failing > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Mike vd Ent via dev-security-policy > <mailto:dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> > wrote: > > Ryan

RE: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
I’m looking into it right now. I’ll report back shortly. Jeremy From: Ryan Sleevi [mailto:r...@sleevi.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 2:25 PM To: Mike vd Ent Cc: mozilla-dev-security-policy ; Jeremy Rowley ; Ben Wilson Subject: Re: CA Validation quality is failing On

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Mike vd Ent via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Ryan, > > My answers on the particular issues are stated inline. > But the thing I want to address is how could (in this case Digicert) > validate such data and issues certificate

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Mike vd Ent via dev-security-policy
Ryan, My answers on the particular issues are stated inline. But the thing I want to address is how could (in this case Digicert) validate such data and issues certificates? I am investigation more of them and afraid even linked company names or registration numbers could be false. Shouldn't th

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:28:16PM -0700, Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy wrote: > > https://portal.mobilitymixx.nl > > I'm not sure I understand enough to know what the issues are here. Could you > explain? Both the localityName and stateOrProvinceName are Almere, while the province is Fle

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 3:13:36 PM UTC-4, Mike Pasarella wrote: > To add some more concerning this issue: > > https://xenapp.alpinvest.com/ https://crt.sh/?id=42227446 localityName of Amsterdam stateOrProvinceName of 19 countryName of NL Problem has existed since 2013 - https://crt.sh/?

Re: CA Validation quality is failing

2017-04-19 Thread Mike Pasarella via dev-security-policy
To add some more concerning this issue: https://xenapp.alpinvest.com/ https://adoftheyear.com https://secure.mobihealth.com https://portal.mobilitymixx.nl https://mijn.nfu.nl https://portal.payplaza.com I also believe that this happens often with the re-use of once (wrong) data for issue-ing new