Re: User-Agents

2014-11-27 Thread Werner Keil
As mentioned, the ideal approach would be to create a patch directly from this information and attach that to JIRA. That is perfectly fine and practiced a lot by several Open Source communities. Until we find something along the lines of Eclipse Babel where people can directly upload their user age

Re: Adding New Devices How-To

2014-11-27 Thread Werner Keil
Sounds like a good idea for the new project page (as it is about to leave the incubator) Agorava has a "How to contribute" page http://www.agorava.org/contributing/ maybe we can create something similar for DeviceMap aside from overall documentation that Apache has, but especially in the case of d

Re: User-Agents

2014-11-27 Thread Werner Keil
I'm sure, Bertrand can add something regarding the general IP question, but as far as user agents are concerned, I can only repeat what I said in my talks. They are common knowledge and come from the device (unless somebody made one up for whatever reason;-) So while actually committing to devicema

Re: Graduation tasks

2014-12-03 Thread Werner Keil
Hi, It seems the URL http://devicemap.apache.org/devicemap/ contains a valid site (the old one) already, but the main URL http://devicemap.apache.org/ just points to a folder with a child folder. Could we improve that? At the very least an index.html auto-forward page, or that new content Radu ha

Re: Graduation tasks

2014-12-04 Thread Werner Keil
itory containing device information, images and other relevant information for all sorts of mobile devices, e.g. smartphones and tablets. Werner On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Werner Keil wrote: >

Re: Graduation tasks

2014-12-04 Thread Werner Keil
I raised the question and see Tamaya one benefit would be more or less automatic mirror on Apache GitHub orga, too. Werner On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > > ...Having the existing one (maybe

Re: Graduation tasks

2014-12-05 Thread Werner Keil
with the new info and deploy it, and when > the new design is ready we can just change the theme. > > Cheers, > Radu > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > > > Any roadmap for the other site? >

Re: Graduation tasks

2014-12-05 Thread Werner Keil
JIRA also still says: Bertrand Delacretaz ·Category: Incubator ·URL: http://devicemap.apache.org The URL seems fixed, but the category might need to change. Thanks, Werner On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > OK, could we then simply move the "devicemap" fold

Re: Graduation tasks

2014-12-05 Thread Werner Keil
c impression of DeviceMap;-) Werner On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Werner Keil > wrote: > > OK, could we then simply move the "devicemap" folder one higher, or is > SVN > > still in pain? > >

Re: Graduation tasks

2014-12-05 Thread Werner Keil
It makes a bad impression, but at least there are no imminent conferences or events that would make people rush to the site, but let's hope the site can be fixed soon;-) On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Werner Keil wrote:

Re: Graduation checklist

2014-12-06 Thread Werner Keil
Looks good. It is automatically forwarded, but the Wiki page could also use the new URL (currently points to "incubator" one) Thanks, Werner On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Reza wrote: > -mailing list: dev@devicemap.apache.org, obviously this is working. > -website: http://devicemap.apache.org/

Re: Graduation checklist

2014-12-06 Thread Werner Keil
dont see > anything else incubator related in the wiki...? > From: Werner Keil > > > To: dev@devicemap.apache.org; Reza > Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 1:26 PM > Subject: Re: Graduation checklist > > Looks good. > It is automatically forwarded, but

Re: Graduation checklist

2014-12-06 Thread Werner Keil
And the text there of course also still says svn co http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/devicemap/trunk/ devicemap On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > The "source" page also still has at least one (or two) references to > Incubator. > In one case (

Re: Graduation checklist

2014-12-08 Thread Werner Keil
While for actual coding tasks, component owners are automatically assigned, I removed the default assignee for the data component, as it may be more people than just Reza picking them up. I found a recognition issue after an Android update, will file a ticket for that soon, too. Werner On Mon, D

Re: Graduation checklist

2014-12-08 Thread Werner Keil
t; incase I need to respond, etc. But I agree that most of these tasks should > go unassigned since I wont necessarily be the person who resolves these > issues. > > > From: Werner Keil > To: dev@devicemap.apache.org; Reza > Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 1:02 PM >

Re: Handling Bots and HTTP Clients

2014-12-09 Thread Werner Keil
Would that be a separate XML file for bots? Can you describe that a bit on the Wiki, we And regarding working on it, I assume, you signed the contributor agreement, did you? Aside from JIRA filing (which pretty much everyone can do) even creating XML files or executable code in SVN/Git/... require

Re: Handling Bots and HTTP Clients

2014-12-09 Thread Werner Keil
; process of discussion about this with Reza. > > And, I will definitely provide a report in the wiki in case of a decision. > > On Tue Dec 09 2014 at 2:14:18 PM Werner Keil > wrote: > > > Would that be a separate XML file for bots? > > > > Can you describe that a

Re: Handling Bots and HTTP Clients

2014-12-09 Thread Werner Keil
A new benchmark would of course be great. As of now in the absence of other performance tests, I had to present the figures from the W3C DDR implementation. Should there be others (I believe Eberhard or other contributors once or twice mentioned blazing fast performance, but so far there has been

Re: HTC One X+ Unit Test

2014-12-10 Thread Werner Keil
That's a good point. I did not try it since ApacheCon Europe, but via its "oddr.threshold" AFAIR OpenDDR (the W3C DDR implementation also at DeviceMap;-) would recognize those if the threshold was hight enough. The new client parses only the XML and see a bug I also filed last night often misses th

Re: 2x Performance Increase in classify()

2014-12-10 Thread Werner Keil
Volkan/Reza, Let's keep in mind, the W3C DDR implementation has specialized recognition classes like OrderedTokenDeviceBuilder or TwoStepDeviceBuilder and subclasses that analyze the UserAgent more thoroughly, and currently provide better recognition of say an update to Android 4 or 5. Werner O

Re: 2x Performance Increase in classify()

2014-12-10 Thread Werner Keil
atch all > builders at once and then chooses the highest ranking match, thus > increasing the accuracy. So I am not aware of any reason that one client > can recognize a pattern better than the other, especially if they are > working off the of the same data. Only the opposite is po

Re: 2x Performance Increase in classify()

2014-12-10 Thread Werner Keil
l logic for smart UA recognition. Once you drilled down to a particular device class like Android, etc. that helps and one may also add further specialized builders to improve that. If you have one big parser that can be faster or end up being more tedious. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Werner Keil

Re: 2x Performance Increase in classify()

2014-12-10 Thread Werner Keil
es, is to use pattern matching on device, > browser, and OS signatures and use that to target specific devices, > browsers, operating systems, and their versions. > > From: Werner Keil > To: dev@devicemap.apache.org; Reza Naghibi > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014

Re: 2x Performance Increase in classify()

2014-12-10 Thread Werner Keil
hey only exist in code or are they in the DDR? > > From: Werner Keil > To: dev@devicemap.apache.org; Reza Naghibi > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: 2x Performance Increase in classify() > > It does not parse the user agent it only uses more so

Re: D-VCS

2014-12-10 Thread Werner Keil
Have you signed the Apache contributor agreement by any chance? Even if DevicMap moved to Git that will be required to have commit rights. Werner On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Volkan YAZICI wrote: > Hi, > > Are there any plans to move to a distributed VCS, e.g., Git? Despite I > submitted t

Re: D-VCS

2014-12-11 Thread Werner Keil
ush changes without a committer access. But it > will be a lot easier to create local branches and work on each feature > separately. > > On Wed Dec 10 2014 at 8:54:37 PM Werner Keil > wrote: > > > Have you signed the Apache contributor agreement by any chance? > &g

Fwd: ApacheCon NA 2015 Travel Assistance Applications now open!

2014-12-13 Thread Werner Keil
Reza, I guess you also got it via the committer alias? Do you think you could make it to propose DeviceMap to ApacheCon US 2015?;-) US based speakers are likely to get TAC support if it helped you, I spoke to Jan and he said, for Europeans it is too far/much in most cases. Regards, Werner

Re: ICLA Has Been Filed

2014-12-13 Thread Werner Keil
Volkan, Great news. Where are you based btw., Europe? (your name sounds like it, Turkey I assume;-) Werner On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Volkan YAZICI wrote: > > Hello Reza, > > I am quite much at the beginning with User-Agent string parsing, but I > believe I will get more familiar with th

Re: ICLA Has Been Filed

2014-12-14 Thread Werner Keil
ipating in that? Especially from Netherlands it would be not so far to Germany. Werner On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Volkan YAZICI wrote: > > Yep, I am from Turkey, just (~2 months) relocated to the Netherlands for > work. > > On Sat Dec 13 2014 at 8:51:51 PM Werner Keil > wrote:

Re: ICLA Has Been Filed

2014-12-14 Thread Werner Keil
er-week.de/Downloads/Vortragsdownload/Vortraege-DWX-2014 > > > .) > > On Sun Dec 14 2014 at 2:26:51 PM Werner Keil > wrote: > > > So you're in the Netherlands now, or just temporarily for 2 months? > > > > In any case, like I shared the German CFP wit

Re: [VOTE] release DeviceMap java client 1.1.0

2014-12-17 Thread Werner Keil
+1 Werner On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Reza Naghibi < reza.nagh...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: > > This is a vote to release the 1.1.0 DeviceMap java client. This release > will be a public maven release. > > The release artifacts are here: > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositorie

Re: Promoting devicemap strengths

2014-12-20 Thread Werner Keil
Great, a Christmas Present;-) Cheers, Werner Am 20.12.2014 00:43 schrieb "Radu Cotescu" : > Hi Reza, > > I'm almost ready with the new site (the design is still the same you guys > saw in my initial prototype, but I'd argue that it's better than what we > currently have anyway). I'll try to dress

Re: Promoting devicemap strengths

2014-12-22 Thread Werner Keil
Looks nice, is the logo just a placeholder? The colorful one looks a bit more cheerful IMHO, wdyt? Werner On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Radu Cotescu wrote: > Hi Volkan, > > An early prototype is available at > http://people.apache.org/~radu/devicemap/ > . > > CouchDB's website looks strikin

Re: Promoting devicemap strengths

2014-12-22 Thread Werner Keil
The web app/service on our VM can be seen as a rudimentary step towards some "user agent tester". I don't know, if we wanted people to subscribe/login just to use it like DeviceAtlas?;-) They certainly must if they want to contribute device data. That is an important feature we should provide if

Re: Promoting devicemap strengths

2014-12-22 Thread Werner Keil
Yep, at the moment only "data" is out there;-) On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Volkan YAZICI wrote: > One more note: Without devicemap-client artifact available, the entire > project would make no sense from the point of view of a Java developer, > FYI. We need to get that released ASAP. > > On

Re: devicemap-client? (was: Promoting devicemap strengths)

2014-12-22 Thread Werner Keil
It is not available in any Maven repository, Most of even our own demos won't work unless you built it from source first;-) Werner On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Volkan YAZICI > wrote: > > ...Without devicemap-client artif

Re: Promoting devicemap strengths

2014-12-23 Thread Werner Keil
You (just like Volkan) are invited to participate in a DWX'15 presentation of DeviceMap highlighting the .NET version (on a major Developer conference for multiple platforms, but its pedigree is more .NET;-), too. WDYT? Werner On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:07 AM, eberhard speer jr. wrote: > -B

Re: Promoting devicemap strengths

2014-12-24 Thread Werner Keil
I'm afraid, there are not too many IT conferences in Athens at the moment. That one's in Nuremberg, Germany. Volkan mentioned he'd be working in the Netherlands, so that is not too far. I'll propose a joint talk and if the .NET client is both stable enough like the Java libraries and ideally someoe

Re: website prototype update

2014-12-26 Thread Werner Keil
I know it a bit, Jekyll also runs the Agorava site. If you prefer something similar running Java, we use JBake (www.jbake.org) for JSR 354 and 363 project sites. Werner On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Reza Naghibi < reza.nagh...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: > Is there anyway to get this solution

Re: website prototype update

2014-12-26 Thread Werner Keil
sted, like cms.apache.org would be more ideal. > > > > Would like to be democratic about this, so if people are for it, then > this > > is ok to move forward with. > > > > So if we use Jekyll, our website still runs on apache httpd? Jekyll just > > publishe

Re: website prototype update

2014-12-26 Thread Werner Keil
personally ran the "awestruct" command, but most sites there are just plain HTML with some Bootstrap JS and CSS. Werner On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > Radu/all, > > From the look (can ask Anatole and the others in the Tamaya mailing list) > DeltaSpike a

Re: Lombok Usage in Java Client

2014-12-29 Thread Werner Keil
I briefly saw it around JSR 308 (Type Annotations, still pretty much in "Stealth Mode" though and practically unused, even by Oracle who was one of the Co Spec Leads;-) what benefit do you think it would have for DeviceMap? Werner On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > H

Test-Data

2014-12-29 Thread Werner Keil
Hi, I looked into what is using Test-Data the other day, and even JUnit tests in the W3C DDR implementation and other modules no longer use it. All references to it should be gone or commented out. I don't think we should completely delete it, but does anybody object moving this one to "contrib"?

Re: Deterministic Ngram Matcher Hits

2014-12-29 Thread Werner Keil
At the moment pattern matching in the "Next Generation" client occurs on a very broad range, so ambiguities are harder to handle. The more diverse builders of the W3C DDR client do this on a finer grained level, which allows pattern matching even based on UAs that are not fully covered yet. E.g. s

Releasing Examples

2014-12-29 Thread Werner Keil
Hi, As many Apache projects, see Camel (http://camel.apache.org/examples.html) do regular releases of representative examples, I thought we should also do that. At the moment there are only Java examples, 3 for java-client and 2 for ddr-simple (which as a baseline also shall be released in a 1.0.

Re: website prototype update

2014-12-30 Thread Werner Keil
I have not automated it myself but seen reports about successful Maven builds using JBake. Otherwise some simple shell scripts might do. I run those on Windows for unitsofmeasurement.github.io. That site uses a Blog style Bootstrap template, clearly nicer than any Wiki by Apache or java.net right n

Re: JSON toString methods in data classes

2014-12-30 Thread Werner Keil
Maybe we can abstract that a bit, e.g. a formatter/renderer that offers multiple output options. Whatever is best as default could be used behind toString() if JSON is best, why not, but it would be good to abstract data from the output/representation. Werner On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Re

Re: JSON toString methods in data classes

2014-12-30 Thread Werner Keil
> writing our own JsonParser class -- whose name implies a parser but which > is actually a formatter -- and use a more decent library for that purpose, > I believe. Anyway, not a big issue. If the rest approves the change, I can > come up with a patch. > > On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:

Re: Test-Data

2014-12-30 Thread Werner Keil
What about moving test-data to "contrib"? (if you preferred to completely delete it, speak up here, too;-) Most of it seems tons of UA data or deltas, last maintained in 2013, but if it's never released, why not move it to contrib. Werner On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Wer

Re: JSON toString methods in data classes

2014-12-31 Thread Werner Keil
l not be able > to see my intermediate commits and we together will not be able to go into > a make pull-review-update cycle. > > > On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Werner Keil > wrote: > > I'd say a separate "presentation" element, *Format, *Formatter, *Ren

Re: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DMAP-112

2015-01-01 Thread Werner Keil
Well, it's just a fact, the W3C Simple implementation shall be released as 1.0 according to a discussion we had a long time ago. It's been around and stable almost ever since OpenDDR donated it and that has not changed. The only reason it was not released was an incompatible change (bug) you slipp

Re: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DMAP-112

2015-01-01 Thread Werner Keil
/?pathrev=1648789 > > > Go into the os, browser, and device. There is no way 2.0 data can maintain > support for this kind of builder architecture. Are you aware of this? > > From: Werner Keil > To: dev@devicemap.apache.org; Reza Naghibi > Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2

Re: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DMAP-112

2015-01-01 Thread Werner Keil
4, > release data and client 2.0 > From: Werner Keil > To: dev@devicemap.apache.org; Reza Naghibi > Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 12:05 PM > Subject: Re: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DMAP-112 > > That's why it is slated for a 1.0 release (regardless of maturi

Re: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DMAP-112

2015-01-01 Thread Werner Keil
Everything that's not under "contrib" should have at least one official release. That's why I suggested to move the "test-data" folder into /contrib (unless we agree it shall better be deleted from /trunk?) On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > O

Re: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DMAP-112

2015-01-01 Thread Werner Keil
s [1]? Lots of reasons to move on from this client. Then we have the > fact that 2.0 will render it obsolete. > > [0] https://github.com/OpenDDRdotORG/OpenDDR-Java/issues > [1] https://github.com/OpenDDRdotORG/OpenDDR-Java/pulls > > > From: Werner Keil > To: dev@devicemap.apache.o

Remember, Apache is not about Companies or Personality Cult;-)

2015-01-01 Thread Werner Keil
As seen with former Apache committers like Stephen Colebourne, who found Apache Foundation "too democratic" to realize their ideas of a project like "Apache Commoons Money", he went on to create his own "thing" JodaMoney similar to JodaTime or related projects like java.time, practically run by jus

Re: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DMAP-112

2015-01-01 Thread Werner Keil
e > other. I only get involved in these discussions in response to your > statements. Otherwise, I moved forward from the legacy client back in 2011 > when I first engaged with OpenDDR project and wrote dClass. I really havent > really looked back since. The fact that its

Re: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DMAP-112

2015-01-01 Thread Werner Keil
is also good to have a migration path via W3C Simple DDR. On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > It's not "a better alternative", it's merely a "more mature" (since around > for 2+ years) one in certain areas, while see the "Cloud"

Re: Please stop the negativity towards DeviceMap software

2015-01-01 Thread Werner Keil
Reza, You just ignore the bugs Volkan first discovered by sticking your head into the sand. That won't solve the problem. Maybe you should get it out of the sand that'll get some fresh air to it I hope;-) As of now DeviceMap Classifier suffers from multiple bugs, those unveiled so far seem relate

Re: Please stop the negativity towards DeviceMap software

2015-01-01 Thread Werner Keil
ects and companies replaced with at least Java 7 by now. I hope instead of sticking your head into the sand (or elsewhere) you can help the project with these necessary steps? Cheers, Werner Werner Keil | JCP Executive Committee Member, JSR 363 Co Spec Lead | Eclipse UOMo Lead, Babel Language Cham

Re: Build failed in Jenkins: devicemap-java6 #133

2015-01-01 Thread Werner Keil
Starting with getting the existing Jenkins instance to use the right SVN;-) Unless you brushed away ignored or closed the related JIRA ticket like all the others, please see the one Jenkins points to. I assume the VP is the right person to handle these infrastructure tasks, thus I re-assigned it t

Improper "aliasing" of devices

2015-01-01 Thread Werner Keil
Reza/all, As of data 1.x the attempt of "aliasing" device data by trying to override a parent device with just a single incomplete line is not working and illegitimate. It breaks both clients. If such "simplified" device data modeling was desired, it has to be done for 2.x, as it breaks compatib

Re: Collecting Specs for UAs

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
Volkan, Glad, having at least one JIRA ticket you filed snubbed and closed instead of (a very easy and working;-) applying the patch available did not discourage you from trying to help;-) That sounds like a good idea, just what do you mean with "proprietary UA resolver"? If it's a commercial prod

Re: Collecting Specs for UAs

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
> If I am not mistaken, the PPI calculation via JS method you have suggested > is not usable given just you have the UA string of the device. I just have > the UA string collection and I need to come up with certain device specs. > > For the upcoming DWX conference on June, I can be

Re: Collecting Specs for UAs

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
detection on my website..." sounds like they run JavaScript in a web app, not PhoneGap style on the actual device, so the formulas mentioned there or something better would be the way to get e.g. the pixel density, etc. HTH, Werner On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > Hello

Re: Collecting Specs for UAs

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
at 2:39 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > This is an Open Source JavaScript solution on GitHub: > https://github.com/faisalman/ua-parser-js > > It mainly catches the "obvious" stuff, but adding more where necessary > sounds doable. And looking at the StackOverflow tips again, >

Re: Improper "aliasing" of devices

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
27;t. So if you want to do this properly, please create a proper entry for SGP312 like it's done for all the other device signatures or start with "your own 2.x" structure without discussing requirements and do it there. Cheers, Werner Werner Keil | JCP Executive Committee Me

Re: Improper "aliasing" of devices

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
leave the tags from your site either just because you may think it's redundant or "legacy"?;-) So please respect the standards here if you want to be a constructive member of the DeviceMap team. Thanks, Werner On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > Reza, > &g

Re: Deleting the legacy ODDR client and related artifacts from SVN

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
-1 As Bertrand and others suggested this is an alternate client perfectly legitimate and used by clients (your cDate implementation also used OpenDDR data first and now the ) among them some of the largest banks. You behave as if the DeviceMap project was your "property" not any better than the g

Re: Deleting the legacy ODDR client and related artifacts from SVN

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
ode. Nothing we have released depends on the legacy client. > For the sake of moving forward and focusing on the future, im asking that > we clean up the code base. The legacy client is simply too much of a > distraction and is already disrupting our data release. > > [0] https://github.

Re: Improper "aliasing" of devices

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
eaking when using an alias? Aliases, or parents, are used all > over the DDR. Every single device has a parent up until you reach the root > device. This has been the case since the first release of OpenDDR in 2011. > > > From: Werner Keil > To: dev@devicemap.apache.org;

Re: Deleting the legacy ODDR client and related artifacts from SVN

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
ject" and unless a Visual Studio Community Edition is sufficient, I admit it is not so easy to run them anyway unless you have a fully licenced Microsoft environment (I don't although I write PowerShell code at a current client) Werner On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Werner Keil wro

Re: Improper "aliasing" of devices

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
its and restore the changes requested by Infomaker > Scandinavia AB on DMAP-86 [0]? > > [0] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DMAP-86 > > --- > > From: Werner Keil > To: dev@devicemap.apache.org; Reza Naghibi > Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 4:11 PM > Subj

Re: Deleting the legacy ODDR client and related artifacts from SVN

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
-) Nor has Java so far introduced a Service Loader mechanism that does not depend on XML or Properties files in a well known folder like META-INF, so W3C DDR implementations are as good or bad as these "Service/DI" solutions in Java. Not something to really blame them. Werner On Fri, Jan

Re: DMAP-86

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
Well it was you who introduced a bug with this abuse of the DDR files. It is recommended, to do structural changes in a branch or separate 2.x folder as mentioned so they don't break the existing 1.x one. Werner > > > > Werner, the above issue is now broken due to your changes. We can no > longer

Re: DMAP-86

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
t;,"nokia_edition":"0","vendor":"-","mobile_browser_version":"-","ajax_support_events":"true","is_desktop":"false","image_inlining":"false","ajax_support_inner_html":"true&q

Re: DMAP-86

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
en you become more comfortable with the codebase, then we > can consider direct access to trunk. > > [0] > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/devicemap/trunk/data/device-data/src/main/resources/devicedata/BuilderDataSource.xml?r1=1622530&r2=1633175 > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira

Re: DMAP-86

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
Its too wide. The ticket is to capture 2 specific devices. > > I have reverted your changes. Please consider this issue closed. > > From: Werner Keil > To: dev@devicemap.apache.org; Reza Naghibi > Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 5:26 PM > Subject: Re: DMAP-86 > > T

Re: Catching up

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
Eberhard, Thanks for the input. For starters, it seems there is no "example" project for the .NET (VB or C#) clients. Unless they are hidden within the actual project, but there is no readme or howto other than what Bertrand once wrote CLS (ISO/IEC 23271:2012) compliant .Net version of Device Ma

Re: DMAP-86

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
Seems it might work in all relevant clients. When is the CI session likely to be in place? Or at the very least the one with Java 6 using non-incubating SVN? On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > If it doesn't work for all clients, then the change is illegal, will te

Re: website prototype update

2015-01-02 Thread Werner Keil
What was the latest action item about the site btw? A not so active, but also polyglot (Java and a least PHP side by side) project, Apache Shindig got another nice example for Bootstrap templating and modern UI: http://shindig.apache.org/index.html Among the reasons why Shindig may be on hold is

Re: website prototype update

2015-01-03 Thread Werner Keil
shing > environment fr Jekyll on devicemap-vm. > > Given that I'm returning to the office on Monday and that I have quite a > busy period ahead, I don't think that I'll be able to work on this earlier > than the end of next week. > > Cheers, > Radu > On 3 Jan 201

Re: Catching up

2015-01-03 Thread Werner Keil
that's how it should work even more in a polyglot Open Source Ecosystem like Apache or Eclipse. Despite a few (or at least one) folks sadly behave more like a paid "sleeper" hired and paid by ScientiaMobile to destroy DeviceMap rather than act properly and fulfill their duties;-/ Wer

Re: Jihad

2015-01-04 Thread Werner Keil
Eberhard/all, Thanks for sharing your views despite a "break" till Monday for Radu or Bertrand, but hopefully they'll appreciate especially voices of reason by other PMC members...;-) I absolutely agree that giving people the choice of several languages or frameworks is best in a polyglot, hetero

Why Open Standards Matter

2015-01-04 Thread Werner Keil
Hi, Just a brief note on standards, I may have mentioned it once or twice, but to summarize it here aside from any particular project or case. As a coincidence, the Oracle speaker who talks about "Why Open Standards and Java EE matter" on occasions like JMaghreb http://www.jmaghreb.io/en/schedule

Re: [DISCUSS] one or two java clients?

2015-01-05 Thread Werner Keil
Bertrand/all, Thanks for the input both here and in the other thread. Based on a (commonly called) "1.0" data format (which essentially is fully backward compatible with the W3C DDR specification used by OpenDDR and other libraries) this is certainly the case. All prior "parsing" solutions which

Re: Deleting the legacy ODDR client and related artifacts from SVN

2015-01-05 Thread Werner Keil
See the other thread and reply to Bertrand's message. "deprecated" is totally untrue, since the W3C DDR implementation is well established, stable and mature. The only reason a release was delayed was the 1.0 Data first not being released (it would have been odd to release it and use OpenDDR data

Re: [DISCUSS] one or two java clients?

2015-01-05 Thread Werner Keil
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Re: Collecting Specs for UAs

2015-01-05 Thread Werner Keil
Was it manually gathered or (for some specs like pixel density) anything calculated? As of now, the release year is not in the DDR, but also along Bertrand's question properties are very generic in the W3C API so a property like "release_year" or name change of "device_os" or "device_os_version" t

Re: Collecting Specs for UAs

2015-01-05 Thread Werner Keil
Dave, Thanks a lot, that looks very helpful even if it was just for some of the major vendors. Note http://www.openmobilealliance.org/tech/profiles/MMS/ccppschema-20050301-MMS1.2#"; xmlns:prf=" http://www.openmobilealliance.org/tech/profiles/UAPROF/ccppschema-20070511#"; xmlns:pss6="http://www.3g

Re: [DISCUSS] one or two java clients?

2015-01-05 Thread Werner Keil
Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > > ...Ideally both the existing Jenkins should be up and running again to > help > > detect any problematic situation for each client, not just the Java > ones &

Should we implement the W3C DDR standard or not?

2015-01-05 Thread Werner Keil
As Bertrand suggested, please allow me to rephrase the question. It's not necessarily about 2 or 3 Java clients (some may be W3C compliant, others not) but the question, if DeviceMap wants to offer at least one W3C DDR standard implementation for languages and platforms where this is justified. W

Re: Should we implement the W3C DDR standard or not?

2015-01-05 Thread Werner Keil
n a particular solution nor if you use a flat file system (like XML) RDBMS or NoSQL DB to persist those values. Same concept with the W3C standard. Werner On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > > ...It'

Re: Should we implement the W3C DDR standard or not?

2015-01-05 Thread Werner Keil
class) makes that easier where necessary to adapt without changing the Service layer or other core components. Werner On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > With a few exceptions where patches to device data are mainly asked for > via JIRA there is no massive change on a da

Re: Should we implement the W3C DDR standard or not?

2015-01-05 Thread Werner Keil
Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > > ...If in a year or more the structure may so drastically change, that > some or > > all files became incompatible with the W3C standard, none of us can > tell... > > What are the requirements

Re: Should we implement the W3C DDR standard or not?

2015-01-05 Thread Werner Keil
uture version of the "Parser" seems possible, it may simply have 2 clients grow together some day... Werner On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > None, that's why a new W3C version could read a changed structure just > like file parsers do. > > There are

Re: Should we implement the W3C DDR standard or not?

2015-01-05 Thread Werner Keil
I as opposed to the one W3C specified. Werner On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > > ...None, that's why a new W3C version could read a changed structure just > > like file parsers do &g

JIRA tickets and setting

2015-01-06 Thread Werner Keil
Hi, I noticed, at least one or two components "lost" a component lead recently. Also the user (historically I have 2, Bertrand set the right credentials to "keilw" allowing me to help as founding member to DeviceMap before code or actual user IDs for commits were in place. Apache convention had me

Re: JIRA tickets and setting

2015-01-06 Thread Werner Keil
. Werner On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi Werner, > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Werner Keil wrote: > > ...Also the user (historically I have 2, Bertrand set the right > credentials to > > "keilw" allowing me to help... >

Re: JIRA tickets and setting

2015-01-06 Thread Werner Keil
really the only thing I > could do to try and contain the situation. > > Are you aware of the proper conduct on JIRA? Specifically, insulting and > negative language is never appropriate. > > From: Werner Keil > To: dev@devicemap.apache.org > Sent: Tuesday, Janu

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