Re: Windows developent plan
Hi - If this is done then I would suggest that we include a feature to make use of a version of checker.apache.org <http://checker.apache.org/> to allow for testing to see that the package being installed is the one that came from the AOO community and not from a repackager. Regards, Dave > On Feb 19, 2018, at 12:55 AM, FR web forum wrote: > > MSI feature will be great: > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123427 > Provide MSI package for easy deployment > > My 2 ct. too > > > - Mail original - >> De: "Peter Kovacs" >> À: "dev" >> Envoyé: Mercredi 7 Février 2018 22:13:58 >> Objet: Windows developent plan >> >> Hi all, >> >> I would like to bring up 2 future issues we will have. >> # Java : Soon Java 8 will run out of support. Do we need to "migrate" >> to >> 9 for 4.2.0? >> >> # If so it would mean for windows that we need to migrate to 64 bit. >> >> # The MSVC2008 will run out in April. We need to upgrade here too. >> >> In what order would make it sense to tackle those Issues? >> >> 1) 64 transformation >> 2) upgrade from MSVC2008 >> 3) upgrade code base to Java 9 >> >> ? >> >> We need to make a plan, any further thoughts? >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP
Re: Windows developent plan
Hi - What version of Java we use is a concern on Mac and Linux too. This discussion needs separation from a Windows development discussion. This could be a candidate for your “Agile Board” demo. Research and project wide informed decisions are needed. Regards, Dave > On Feb 19, 2018, at 1:59 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote: > > Interessting! Should be our goal that our Java Code works on Java 8 and 9 > environments? > > I understand the bug https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123427 that it > is a request for MSI only installer. > > We could build such a installer with the Wix framework. Any objections? > > I have updated the points on the Point of Interest page in CWiki. > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=67633711 > > > On 19.02.2018 10:40, Torokhov Sergey wrote: >> Please, note that Java 9 is not LTS release and it's support ends in March >> of 2018! : >> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html >> >> while Java 8 will be supported at least untill January 2019 and December >> 2020: >> >> See "End of Public Updates for Oracle JDK 8" section for link above: >> >>>> End of Public Updates for Oracle JDK 8 >>>> As outlined in the Oracle JDK Support Roadmap below, >>>> Oracle will not post further updates of Java SE 8 to its public download >>>> sites for commercial use after January 2019. >>>> Customers who need continued access to critical bug fixes and security >>>> fixes >>>> as well as general maintenance for Java SE 8 or previous versions can get >>>> long term support through Oracle Java SE Advanced, >>>> Oracle Java SE Advanced Desktop, or Oracle Java SE Suite. >>>> All other users are recommended to upgrade to the latest major releases of >>>> the Oracle JDK or OpenJDK. >>>> Oracle does not plan to migrate desktops from Java 8 to later versions via >>>> the auto update feature. >>>> Individuals who require Java SE for non-corporate desktop use will >>>> continue to receive updates through at least December 2020 >> Also note that Java 10 also is not LTS release that will be supported untill >> September 2018. >> So migrate to java 9 or 10 has no sense. >> >> >> 19.02.2018, 11:55, "FR web forum" : >>> MSI feature will be great: >>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123427 >>> Provide MSI package for easy deployment >>> >>> My 2 ct. too >>> >>> - Mail original - >>>> De: "Peter Kovacs" >>>> À: "dev" >>>> Envoyé: Mercredi 7 Février 2018 22:13:58 >>>> Objet: Windows developent plan >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I would like to bring up 2 future issues we will have. >>>> # Java : Soon Java 8 will run out of support. Do we need to "migrate" >>>> to >>>> 9 for 4.2.0? >>>> ... >>>> 3) upgrade code base to Java 9 >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> We need to make a plan, any further thoughts? >>>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP
Re: Windows developent plan
Interessting! Should be our goal that our Java Code works on Java 8 and 9 environments? I understand the bug https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123427 that it is a request for MSI only installer. We could build such a installer with the Wix framework. Any objections? I have updated the points on the Point of Interest page in CWiki. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=67633711 On 19.02.2018 10:40, Torokhov Sergey wrote: Please, note that Java 9 is not LTS release and it's support ends in March of 2018! : http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html while Java 8 will be supported at least untill January 2019 and December 2020: See "End of Public Updates for Oracle JDK 8" section for link above: End of Public Updates for Oracle JDK 8 As outlined in the Oracle JDK Support Roadmap below, Oracle will not post further updates of Java SE 8 to its public download sites for commercial use after January 2019. Customers who need continued access to critical bug fixes and security fixes as well as general maintenance for Java SE 8 or previous versions can get long term support through Oracle Java SE Advanced, Oracle Java SE Advanced Desktop, or Oracle Java SE Suite. All other users are recommended to upgrade to the latest major releases of the Oracle JDK or OpenJDK. Oracle does not plan to migrate desktops from Java 8 to later versions via the auto update feature. Individuals who require Java SE for non-corporate desktop use will continue to receive updates through at least December 2020 Also note that Java 10 also is not LTS release that will be supported untill September 2018. So migrate to java 9 or 10 has no sense. 19.02.2018, 11:55, "FR web forum" : MSI feature will be great: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123427 Provide MSI package for easy deployment My 2 ct. too - Mail original - De: "Peter Kovacs" À: "dev" Envoyé: Mercredi 7 Février 2018 22:13:58 Objet: Windows developent plan Hi all, I would like to bring up 2 future issues we will have. # Java : Soon Java 8 will run out of support. Do we need to "migrate" to 9 for 4.2.0? ... 3) upgrade code base to Java 9 ? We need to make a plan, any further thoughts? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows developent plan
Please, note that Java 9 is not LTS release and it's support ends in March of 2018! : http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html while Java 8 will be supported at least untill January 2019 and December 2020: See "End of Public Updates for Oracle JDK 8" section for link above: >> End of Public Updates for Oracle JDK 8 >> As outlined in the Oracle JDK Support Roadmap below, >> Oracle will not post further updates of Java SE 8 to its public download >> sites for commercial use after January 2019. >> Customers who need continued access to critical bug fixes and security fixes >> as well as general maintenance for Java SE 8 or previous versions can get >> long term support through Oracle Java SE Advanced, >> Oracle Java SE Advanced Desktop, or Oracle Java SE Suite. >> All other users are recommended to upgrade to the latest major releases of >> the Oracle JDK or OpenJDK. >> Oracle does not plan to migrate desktops from Java 8 to later versions via >> the auto update feature. >> Individuals who require Java SE for non-corporate desktop use will continue >> to receive updates through at least December 2020 Also note that Java 10 also is not LTS release that will be supported untill September 2018. So migrate to java 9 or 10 has no sense. 19.02.2018, 11:55, "FR web forum" : > MSI feature will be great: > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123427 > Provide MSI package for easy deployment > > My 2 ct. too > > - Mail original - >> De: "Peter Kovacs" >> À: "dev" >> Envoyé: Mercredi 7 Février 2018 22:13:58 >> Objet: Windows developent plan >> >> Hi all, >> >> I would like to bring up 2 future issues we will have. >> # Java : Soon Java 8 will run out of support. Do we need to "migrate" >> to >> 9 for 4.2.0? >> ... >> 3) upgrade code base to Java 9 >> >> ? >> >> We need to make a plan, any further thoughts? >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows developent plan
MSI feature will be great: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123427 Provide MSI package for easy deployment My 2 ct. too - Mail original - > De: "Peter Kovacs" > À: "dev" > Envoyé: Mercredi 7 Février 2018 22:13:58 > Objet: Windows developent plan > > Hi all, > > I would like to bring up 2 future issues we will have. > # Java : Soon Java 8 will run out of support. Do we need to "migrate" > to > 9 for 4.2.0? > > # If so it would mean for windows that we need to migrate to 64 bit. > > # The MSVC2008 will run out in April. We need to upgrade here too. > > In what order would make it sense to tackle those Issues? > > 1) 64 transformation > 2) upgrade from MSVC2008 > 3) upgrade code base to Java 9 > > ? > > We need to make a plan, any further thoughts? > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows developent plan
Hi Matthias > > > > That would be a great evolution for AOO (LO has finally added > that feature in version 6). > > > > > AFAIK that feature didn't make it into 6.0: > https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/ode_automatic_updater/ > > I read this version would include it but didn't confirm (I have switched to OpenOffice mostly) But it will eventually be added in 6.x I believe partial updates are a major benefit for all users, especially those who have limited/expensive access to the Internet. Providing fixes/updates at a low cost is a critical contribution for breaking down the digital divide. In addition automatic partial updates are better for inexperienced users since they only require a one time full install (usually performed by a friend/family who is more computer savvy) Best, Pedro
Re: Windows developent plan
Hi Pedro, Am 15.02.2018 um 00:17 schrieb Pedro Lino: > >>> We had a discussion about special small update versions for Windows, >>> some time ago. >> We had experimented with patches some years ago, but never released them >> officially. > That would be a great evolution for AOO (LO has finally added that feature in > version 6). AFAIK that feature didn't make it into 6.0: https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/ode_automatic_updater/ Regards, Matthias > In fact saving people from downloading a full installer would be useful on > all OSes... > > Another relevant change under Windows would be to get rid of the unpacking > step that leaves an installation folder on the desktop (or manage to get the > installer to delete the installation folder as the last step) > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Windows developent plan
> > We had a discussion about special small update versions for Windows, > > some time ago. > > We had experimented with patches some years ago, but never released them > officially. That would be a great evolution for AOO (LO has finally added that feature in version 6). In fact saving people from downloading a full installer would be useful on all OSes... Another relevant change under Windows would be to get rid of the unpacking step that leaves an installation folder on the desktop (or manage to get the installer to delete the installation folder as the last step) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows developent plan
Peter Kovacs wrote: We had a discussion about special small update versions for Windows, some time ago. We had experimented with patches some years ago, but never released them officially. Everything is documented at https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Building_installation_packages#Patches_on_Windows Most of the work was done by Andre Fischer. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows developent plan
On 09.02.2018 00:25, Marcus wrote: I have found 2 more Windows action Items I forgot about: a) MSI installer We have already a MSI installation. What exactly do you have in mind? We had a discussion about special small update versions for Windows, some time ago. So only files needed to be downloaded that has realy changed. Maybe we can include the steps necessary in our build infrastructure. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows developent plan
+1 sounds fair. On 09.02.2018 22:48, Marcus wrote: Am 09.02.2018 um 22:44 schrieb Peter Kovacs: It was only an idea. No special build we just keep the target. How about update to the MSVC2017? we simple have to try which version is the most recent to get the fewest problems. When it fits then we can use it. ;-) Marcus On 09.02.2018 22:07, Marcus wrote: Am 09.02.2018 um 06:13 schrieb Keith N. McKenna: On 2/8/2018 6:25 PM, Marcus wrote: Am 08.02.2018 um 21:14 schrieb Peter Kovacs: According to ReactOS team MSVC 2010 still supports WinXP target. I say we should keep the WinXP support up as long as the ReactOS team does not support WinNT5 binaries. OK, when we can combine 1) a compatible and still supported MSVC and 2) it's still possible to use OpenOffice with WinXP, then sure let's do it. It is a good and sound strategy, we would promote another OpenSource Project. I think build additional legacy WinXP binary will not hurt us, and it Ahm, I hope this is a typo. I don't want to have separate binaries just for WinXP and all newer Windows versions. ;-) If we are to upgrade to Java 9 for windows by default wouldn't we have to make separate builds for all 32 bit versions of Windows as Oracle did not release a 32 bit version of Java 9? maybe, but it's about WinXP. Here we shouldn't create a special build. Marcus might be not so much more work. We could explain this if we are releasing 4.2.0 before ReactOS has made the transition. That would fit to our strategy in Total. We also do support AmigaOS and OS/2 warp inofficially. Maybe it would bring us sympathy from another Inofficially means concrete: We can bring in fixes into SVN, so that others are able to build on other platforms like OS/2. But that is all as building and distribution is happening outside of the ASF. Community if we promote their target. Do you agree on the strategy or do you think it would cost us to much workload? Like I wrote above, let's do it if we can have it for a cheap "price". I have found 2 more Windows action Items I forgot about: a) MSI installer We have already a MSI installation. What exactly do you have in mind? b) signed install binary. Do you think these Items should be trackked too? If so where should they be on our list? Even when signing is complicated as at the moment we need to start at zero (analysis and development) it's the top priority as it would show a much better integration into modern Windows releases. My 2 ct. Marcus On 08.02.2018 07:35, Mechtilde wrote: Hello, I would guess it. If someone still have a Win-XP system can test if it also works on Win XP. But Win XP is end of live for a long time. User can use 4.1.5 as long as they use Win XP. Kind regards Am 08.02.2018 um 00:58 schrieb Pedro Lino: Thats the points I am aware of. Are there more Windows specific points? Does upgrade from MSVC2008 mean dropping support for Win XP? The recently released LO 6.0 32bit requires at least Windows 7... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows developent plan
Am 09.02.2018 um 22:44 schrieb Peter Kovacs: It was only an idea. No special build we just keep the target. How about update to the MSVC2017? we simple have to try which version is the most recent to get the fewest problems. When it fits then we can use it. ;-) Marcus On 09.02.2018 22:07, Marcus wrote: Am 09.02.2018 um 06:13 schrieb Keith N. McKenna: On 2/8/2018 6:25 PM, Marcus wrote: Am 08.02.2018 um 21:14 schrieb Peter Kovacs: According to ReactOS team MSVC 2010 still supports WinXP target. I say we should keep the WinXP support up as long as the ReactOS team does not support WinNT5 binaries. OK, when we can combine 1) a compatible and still supported MSVC and 2) it's still possible to use OpenOffice with WinXP, then sure let's do it. It is a good and sound strategy, we would promote another OpenSource Project. I think build additional legacy WinXP binary will not hurt us, and it Ahm, I hope this is a typo. I don't want to have separate binaries just for WinXP and all newer Windows versions. ;-) If we are to upgrade to Java 9 for windows by default wouldn't we have to make separate builds for all 32 bit versions of Windows as Oracle did not release a 32 bit version of Java 9? maybe, but it's about WinXP. Here we shouldn't create a special build. Marcus might be not so much more work. We could explain this if we are releasing 4.2.0 before ReactOS has made the transition. That would fit to our strategy in Total. We also do support AmigaOS and OS/2 warp inofficially. Maybe it would bring us sympathy from another Inofficially means concrete: We can bring in fixes into SVN, so that others are able to build on other platforms like OS/2. But that is all as building and distribution is happening outside of the ASF. Community if we promote their target. Do you agree on the strategy or do you think it would cost us to much workload? Like I wrote above, let's do it if we can have it for a cheap "price". I have found 2 more Windows action Items I forgot about: a) MSI installer We have already a MSI installation. What exactly do you have in mind? b) signed install binary. Do you think these Items should be trackked too? If so where should they be on our list? Even when signing is complicated as at the moment we need to start at zero (analysis and development) it's the top priority as it would show a much better integration into modern Windows releases. My 2 ct. Marcus On 08.02.2018 07:35, Mechtilde wrote: Hello, I would guess it. If someone still have a Win-XP system can test if it also works on Win XP. But Win XP is end of live for a long time. User can use 4.1.5 as long as they use Win XP. Kind regards Am 08.02.2018 um 00:58 schrieb Pedro Lino: Thats the points I am aware of. Are there more Windows specific points? Does upgrade from MSVC2008 mean dropping support for Win XP? The recently released LO 6.0 32bit requires at least Windows 7... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows developent plan
It was only an idea. No special build we just keep the target. How about update to the MSVC2017? On 09.02.2018 22:07, Marcus wrote: Am 09.02.2018 um 06:13 schrieb Keith N. McKenna: On 2/8/2018 6:25 PM, Marcus wrote: Am 08.02.2018 um 21:14 schrieb Peter Kovacs: According to ReactOS team MSVC 2010 still supports WinXP target. I say we should keep the WinXP support up as long as the ReactOS team does not support WinNT5 binaries. OK, when we can combine 1) a compatible and still supported MSVC and 2) it's still possible to use OpenOffice with WinXP, then sure let's do it. It is a good and sound strategy, we would promote another OpenSource Project. I think build additional legacy WinXP binary will not hurt us, and it Ahm, I hope this is a typo. I don't want to have separate binaries just for WinXP and all newer Windows versions. ;-) If we are to upgrade to Java 9 for windows by default wouldn't we have to make separate builds for all 32 bit versions of Windows as Oracle did not release a 32 bit version of Java 9? maybe, but it's about WinXP. Here we shouldn't create a special build. Marcus might be not so much more work. We could explain this if we are releasing 4.2.0 before ReactOS has made the transition. That would fit to our strategy in Total. We also do support AmigaOS and OS/2 warp inofficially. Maybe it would bring us sympathy from another Inofficially means concrete: We can bring in fixes into SVN, so that others are able to build on other platforms like OS/2. But that is all as building and distribution is happening outside of the ASF. Community if we promote their target. Do you agree on the strategy or do you think it would cost us to much workload? Like I wrote above, let's do it if we can have it for a cheap "price". I have found 2 more Windows action Items I forgot about: a) MSI installer We have already a MSI installation. What exactly do you have in mind? b) signed install binary. Do you think these Items should be trackked too? If so where should they be on our list? Even when signing is complicated as at the moment we need to start at zero (analysis and development) it's the top priority as it would show a much better integration into modern Windows releases. My 2 ct. Marcus On 08.02.2018 07:35, Mechtilde wrote: Hello, I would guess it. If someone still have a Win-XP system can test if it also works on Win XP. But Win XP is end of live for a long time. User can use 4.1.5 as long as they use Win XP. Kind regards Am 08.02.2018 um 00:58 schrieb Pedro Lino: Thats the points I am aware of. Are there more Windows specific points? Does upgrade from MSVC2008 mean dropping support for Win XP? The recently released LO 6.0 32bit requires at least Windows 7... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows developent plan
Am 09.02.2018 um 06:13 schrieb Keith N. McKenna: On 2/8/2018 6:25 PM, Marcus wrote: Am 08.02.2018 um 21:14 schrieb Peter Kovacs: According to ReactOS team MSVC 2010 still supports WinXP target. I say we should keep the WinXP support up as long as the ReactOS team does not support WinNT5 binaries. OK, when we can combine 1) a compatible and still supported MSVC and 2) it's still possible to use OpenOffice with WinXP, then sure let's do it. It is a good and sound strategy, we would promote another OpenSource Project. I think build additional legacy WinXP binary will not hurt us, and it Ahm, I hope this is a typo. I don't want to have separate binaries just for WinXP and all newer Windows versions. ;-) If we are to upgrade to Java 9 for windows by default wouldn't we have to make separate builds for all 32 bit versions of Windows as Oracle did not release a 32 bit version of Java 9? maybe, but it's about WinXP. Here we shouldn't create a special build. Marcus might be not so much more work. We could explain this if we are releasing 4.2.0 before ReactOS has made the transition. That would fit to our strategy in Total. We also do support AmigaOS and OS/2 warp inofficially. Maybe it would bring us sympathy from another Inofficially means concrete: We can bring in fixes into SVN, so that others are able to build on other platforms like OS/2. But that is all as building and distribution is happening outside of the ASF. Community if we promote their target. Do you agree on the strategy or do you think it would cost us to much workload? Like I wrote above, let's do it if we can have it for a cheap "price". I have found 2 more Windows action Items I forgot about: a) MSI installer We have already a MSI installation. What exactly do you have in mind? b) signed install binary. Do you think these Items should be trackked too? If so where should they be on our list? Even when signing is complicated as at the moment we need to start at zero (analysis and development) it's the top priority as it would show a much better integration into modern Windows releases. My 2 ct. Marcus On 08.02.2018 07:35, Mechtilde wrote: Hello, I would guess it. If someone still have a Win-XP system can test if it also works on Win XP. But Win XP is end of live for a long time. User can use 4.1.5 as long as they use Win XP. Kind regards Am 08.02.2018 um 00:58 schrieb Pedro Lino: Thats the points I am aware of. Are there more Windows specific points? Does upgrade from MSVC2008 mean dropping support for Win XP? The recently released LO 6.0 32bit requires at least Windows 7... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows developent plan
On 2/8/2018 6:25 PM, Marcus wrote: > Am 08.02.2018 um 21:14 schrieb Peter Kovacs: >> According to ReactOS team MSVC 2010 still supports WinXP target. >> I say we should keep the WinXP support up as long as the ReactOS team >> does not support WinNT5 binaries. > > OK, when we can combine 1) a compatible and still supported MSVC and 2) > it's still possible to use OpenOffice with WinXP, then sure let's do it. > >> It is a good and sound strategy, we would promote another OpenSource >> Project. >> >> I think build additional legacy WinXP binary will not hurt us, and it > > Ahm, I hope this is a typo. I don't want to have separate binaries just > for WinXP and all newer Windows versions. ;-) If we are to upgrade to Java 9 for windows by default wouldn't we have to make separate builds for all 32 bit versions of Windows as Oracle did not release a 32 bit version of Java 9? > >> might be not so much more work. We could explain this if we are >> releasing 4.2.0 before ReactOS has made the transition. >> That would fit to our strategy in Total. We also do support AmigaOS >> and OS/2 warp inofficially. Maybe it would bring us sympathy from another > > Inofficially means concrete: We can bring in fixes into SVN, so that > others are able to build on other platforms like OS/2. But that is all > as building and distribution is happening outside of the ASF. > >> Community if we promote their target. >> Do you agree on the strategy or do you think it would cost us to much >> workload? > > Like I wrote above, let's do it if we can have it for a cheap "price". > >> I have found 2 more Windows action Items I forgot about: >> >> a) MSI installer > > We have already a MSI installation. What exactly do you have in mind? > >> b) signed install binary. >> >> Do you think these Items should be trackked too? >> If so where should they be on our list? > > Even when signing is complicated as at the moment we need to start at > zero (analysis and development) it's the top priority as it would show a > much better integration into modern Windows releases. > > My 2 ct. > > Marcus > > > >> On 08.02.2018 07:35, Mechtilde wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I would guess it. >>> >>> If someone still have a Win-XP system can test if it also works on Win >>> XP. But Win XP is end of live for a long time. >>> >>> User can use 4.1.5 as long as they use Win XP. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> >>> Am 08.02.2018 um 00:58 schrieb Pedro Lino: > Thats the points I am aware of. Are there more Windows specific > points? Does upgrade from MSVC2008 mean dropping support for Win XP? The recently released LO 6.0 32bit requires at least Windows 7... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Re: Windows developent plan
You can specify a toolchain even in MSVC2017 to use such that the compiled exe still works on Windows XP; I do this for my own work as I see no reason to arbitrarily disbar its use on older systems - it's up to each user to decide whether to upgrade or not. Stuart On 08/02/2018 06:35, Mechtilde wrote: Hello, I would guess it. If someone still have a Win-XP system can test if it also works on Win XP. But Win XP is end of live for a long time. User can use 4.1.5 as long as they use Win XP. Kind regards Am 08.02.2018 um 00:58 schrieb Pedro Lino: Thats the points I am aware of. Are there more Windows specific points? Does upgrade from MSVC2008 mean dropping support for Win XP? The recently released LO 6.0 32bit requires at least Windows 7... -- Stuart Swales - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows developent plan
Am 08.02.2018 um 21:14 schrieb Peter Kovacs: According to ReactOS team MSVC 2010 still supports WinXP target. I say we should keep the WinXP support up as long as the ReactOS team does not support WinNT5 binaries. OK, when we can combine 1) a compatible and still supported MSVC and 2) it's still possible to use OpenOffice with WinXP, then sure let's do it. It is a good and sound strategy, we would promote another OpenSource Project. I think build additional legacy WinXP binary will not hurt us, and it Ahm, I hope this is a typo. I don't want to have separate binaries just for WinXP and all newer Windows versions. ;-) might be not so much more work. We could explain this if we are releasing 4.2.0 before ReactOS has made the transition. That would fit to our strategy in Total. We also do support AmigaOS and OS/2 warp inofficially. Maybe it would bring us sympathy from another Inofficially means concrete: We can bring in fixes into SVN, so that others are able to build on other platforms like OS/2. But that is all as building and distribution is happening outside of the ASF. Community if we promote their target. Do you agree on the strategy or do you think it would cost us to much workload? Like I wrote above, let's do it if we can have it for a cheap "price". I have found 2 more Windows action Items I forgot about: a) MSI installer We have already a MSI installation. What exactly do you have in mind? b) signed install binary. Do you think these Items should be trackked too? If so where should they be on our list? Even when signing is complicated as at the moment we need to start at zero (analysis and development) it's the top priority as it would show a much better integration into modern Windows releases. My 2 ct. Marcus On 08.02.2018 07:35, Mechtilde wrote: Hello, I would guess it. If someone still have a Win-XP system can test if it also works on Win XP. But Win XP is end of live for a long time. User can use 4.1.5 as long as they use Win XP. Kind regards Am 08.02.2018 um 00:58 schrieb Pedro Lino: Thats the points I am aware of. Are there more Windows specific points? Does upgrade from MSVC2008 mean dropping support for Win XP? The recently released LO 6.0 32bit requires at least Windows 7... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows developent plan
According to ReactOS team MSVC 2010 still supports WinXP target. I say we should keep the WinXP support up as long as the ReactOS team does not support WinNT5 binaries. It is a good and sound strategy, we would promote another OpenSource Project. I think build additional legacy WinXP binary will not hurt us, and it might be not so much more work. We could explain this if we are releasing 4.2.0 before ReactOS has made the transition. That would fit to our strategy in Total. We also do support AmigaOS and OS/2 warp inofficially. Maybe it would bring us sympathy from another Community if we promote their target. Do you agree on the strategy or do you think it would cost us to much workload? I have found 2 more Windows action Items I forgot about: a) MSI installer b) signed install binary. Do you think these Items should be trackked too? If so where should they be on our list? On 08.02.2018 07:35, Mechtilde wrote: Hello, I would guess it. If someone still have a Win-XP system can test if it also works on Win XP. But Win XP is end of live for a long time. User can use 4.1.5 as long as they use Win XP. Kind regards Am 08.02.2018 um 00:58 schrieb Pedro Lino: Thats the points I am aware of. Are there more Windows specific points? Does upgrade from MSVC2008 mean dropping support for Win XP? The recently released LO 6.0 32bit requires at least Windows 7... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows developent plan
Hello, I would guess it. If someone still have a Win-XP system can test if it also works on Win XP. But Win XP is end of live for a long time. User can use 4.1.5 as long as they use Win XP. Kind regards Am 08.02.2018 um 00:58 schrieb Pedro Lino: > > >> Thats the points I am aware of. Are there more Windows specific points? > > Does upgrade from MSVC2008 mean dropping support for Win XP? The recently > released LO 6.0 32bit requires at least Windows 7... > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > -- Mechtilde Stehmann ## Apache OpenOffice ## Freie Office Suite für Linux, MacOSX, Windows ## Debian Developer ## Loook, calender-exchange-provider, libreoffice-canzeley-client ## PGP encryption welcome ## F0E3 7F3D C87A 4998 2899 39E7 F287 7BBA 141A AD7F signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Windows developent plan
Hello I prefor the second order Marcus posted: 1. Upgrade from MSVC2008 2. Upgrade to Java 9 3. Keep Windows 32-bit with Java 8 4. Windows 64-bit transformation + Java 9 Kind regards Mechtilde Am 08.02.2018 um 00:22 schrieb Marcus: > Am 07.02.2018 um 22:13 schrieb Peter Kovacs: >> I would like to bring up 2 future issues we will have. >> # Java : Soon Java 8 will run out of support. Do we need to "migrate" >> to 9 for 4.2.0? >> >> # If so it would mean for windows that we need to migrate to 64 bit. >> >> # The MSVC2008 will run out in April. We need to upgrade here too. >> >> In what order would make it sense to tackle those Issues? >> >> 1) 64 transformation >> 2) upgrade from MSVC2008 >> 3) upgrade code base to Java 9 > > if you really want to limit to these 3 topics only, than I would tackle > it in the following order: > > 1. Upgrade from MSVC2008 > This seems to be the easiest task (hopefully) as an updated build needs > to be tested only. > > 2. Upgrade to Java 9 > Even here I would expect an short list of todos due to the migration. > > 3. Win 64-bit porting > This is for sure a complete new experience. Also, I would accept a 4.2.0 > release still with Win 32-bit. And a future release than with Win 64-bit. > > A possible alternative could be the following: > > 1. Upgrade from MSVC2008 > > 2. Upgrade to Java 9 > > 3. Keep Windows 32-bit with Java 8 > > 4. Windows 64-bit transformation + Java 9 > > My 2 ct. > > Marcus > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > -- Mechtilde Stehmann ## Apache OpenOffice ## Freie Office Suite für Linux, MacOSX, Windows ## Debian Developer ## Loook, calender-exchange-provider, libreoffice-canzeley-client ## PGP encryption welcome ## F0E3 7F3D C87A 4998 2899 39E7 F287 7BBA 141A AD7F signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Windows developent plan
> Thats the points I am aware of. Are there more Windows specific points? Does upgrade from MSVC2008 mean dropping support for Win XP? The recently released LO 6.0 32bit requires at least Windows 7... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows developent plan
Thats the points I am aware of. Are there more Windows specific points? On 08.02.2018 00:22, Marcus wrote: Am 07.02.2018 um 22:13 schrieb Peter Kovacs: I would like to bring up 2 future issues we will have. # Java : Soon Java 8 will run out of support. Do we need to "migrate" to 9 for 4.2.0? # If so it would mean for windows that we need to migrate to 64 bit. # The MSVC2008 will run out in April. We need to upgrade here too. In what order would make it sense to tackle those Issues? 1) 64 transformation 2) upgrade from MSVC2008 3) upgrade code base to Java 9 if you really want to limit to these 3 topics only, than I would tackle it in the following order: 1. Upgrade from MSVC2008 This seems to be the easiest task (hopefully) as an updated build needs to be tested only. 2. Upgrade to Java 9 Even here I would expect an short list of todos due to the migration. 3. Win 64-bit porting This is for sure a complete new experience. Also, I would accept a 4.2.0 release still with Win 32-bit. And a future release than with Win 64-bit. A possible alternative could be the following: 1. Upgrade from MSVC2008 2. Upgrade to Java 9 3. Keep Windows 32-bit with Java 8 4. Windows 64-bit transformation + Java 9 My 2 ct. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows developent plan
Am 07.02.2018 um 22:13 schrieb Peter Kovacs: I would like to bring up 2 future issues we will have. # Java : Soon Java 8 will run out of support. Do we need to "migrate" to 9 for 4.2.0? # If so it would mean for windows that we need to migrate to 64 bit. # The MSVC2008 will run out in April. We need to upgrade here too. In what order would make it sense to tackle those Issues? 1) 64 transformation 2) upgrade from MSVC2008 3) upgrade code base to Java 9 if you really want to limit to these 3 topics only, than I would tackle it in the following order: 1. Upgrade from MSVC2008 This seems to be the easiest task (hopefully) as an updated build needs to be tested only. 2. Upgrade to Java 9 Even here I would expect an short list of todos due to the migration. 3. Win 64-bit porting This is for sure a complete new experience. Also, I would accept a 4.2.0 release still with Win 32-bit. And a future release than with Win 64-bit. A possible alternative could be the following: 1. Upgrade from MSVC2008 2. Upgrade to Java 9 3. Keep Windows 32-bit with Java 8 4. Windows 64-bit transformation + Java 9 My 2 ct. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Windows developent plan
Hi all, I would like to bring up 2 future issues we will have. # Java : Soon Java 8 will run out of support. Do we need to "migrate" to 9 for 4.2.0? # If so it would mean for windows that we need to migrate to 64 bit. # The MSVC2008 will run out in April. We need to upgrade here too. In what order would make it sense to tackle those Issues? 1) 64 transformation 2) upgrade from MSVC2008 3) upgrade code base to Java 9 ? We need to make a plan, any further thoughts? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
